[QUAD-L] They Are Everywhere - The Human Race
Let's face it. We are all Human. As humans, we are all on the same highway of life. Granted, we are in different lanes and may be traveling at different speeds, but our destination is the same. Or I hope so... Hurrah for us Humans! W In a message dated 6/10/05 9:28:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi John, I'm not prejudice I believe that we are all on this earth for a reason. I don't know who stated this? As a person who fights for the rights of People with Disabilities. I see us as many cultures in one. Black, white, red, brown you can name many colors, when it comes down to it we are all the some around the world. John you must open your mine and heart to people. You might just be surprise you have many friends. You are my friend! Wheelchair Warrior
Re: [QUAD-L] Aides again
Aaron, I go through an agency called "Student Experience," which is basically an agency like you want to start. My understanding the company was started by a paralyzed female in Grand Rapids, MN that was having trouble with finding PCA's. She figured she can do a better job finding people then the local agencies so she hires only college people that are going into some type of medical field, that's how she got the name. I've only been with this agency since last November and truthfully, I'm really impressed with the quality and reliability of the girls that I have. Student Experience does a complete background check of the people and they try to place the workers to a client that is in their field of schooling. I have a psychology students going for her doctorate, to physical therapy is going for their doctorate and to nurses going for their majors. I wish you the best of luck in your new endeavor. Jim
RE: [QUAD-L] Aides again
This company sounds great to bad they are not in Denver. Lester -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:39 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Aides again Aaron, I go through an agency called Student Experience, which is basically an agency like you want to start. My understanding the company was started by a paralyzed female in Grand Rapids, MN that was having trouble with finding PCA's. She figured she can do a better job finding people then the local agencies so she hires only college people that are going into some type of medical field, that's how she got the name. I've only been with this agency since last November and truthfully, I'm really impressed with the quality and reliability of the girls that I have. Student Experience does a complete background check of the people and they try to place the workers to a client that is in their field of schooling. I have a psychology students going for her doctorate, to physical therapy is going for their doctorate and to nurses going for their majors. I wish you the best of luck in your new endeavor. Jim -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.8 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.8 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Re: [QUAD-L] Mexicans-They Are Everywhere !
Hi River, Thanks for saying that for me. You would think those of us on this List would understand the pain of being different from others, and have that difference held against us in life. When things get down to a "them" vs. "us" mentality we ALL are losing the qualities "they" have to make "us" better people. In the fall of this yearthe new Civil Rights Memorial Centerwill open in Montgomery, Alabama,to mark the 50th anniversary of the historic Montgomery Bus Boycott, andwill remind visitors that everyday people are responsible for the progress of the past, the work of the present and the vision for the future. This memorial sits only a few blocks west of the first capitol of the Confederacy, the spot where Jefferson Davis took the oath of office to become President of the Confederate States. From Court Square to the north and west of this site the order was sent in 1861 to "reduce" Fort Sumter, beginning the Civil War. Ninety-four years later, on a December evening, Mrs. Rosa Parks began a historic bus ride from Court Square. East ofthe memorialis the Dexter Avenue (King Memorial) Baptist Church, where a young pastor named Martin Luther King, Jr., led the movement Mrs. Parks began. Today, too many of us have forgotten the lessons learned over the past fifty years, and let intolerance walk freely among us. Will weletthe battle for equality among all peoplebecome a meaningless gesture? I hope not! I hope we all hereremember that WE tooare responsible for the progress of the past, the work of the present and the vision for the future. As Robert Kennedy once said: "Few will have the greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of these acts will be written the history of [each] generation. It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring these ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." Day of Affirmation Speech, Capetown, South Africa, June 6, 1966. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA River Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really can't believe my eyes, as I read the various posts on this list about Hispanic, Latino and Chicana people in our country. If anyone remembers, this country belonged to a WIDE variety of brown skinned peoples BEFORE the influx of the pilgrims. We continue our modus operandi stealing countrieshundreds of years later.I am ashamed to be a member of a list that unashamedly espouses such hatred for a group of people. I include people making "jokes" and "teasing", it's just FUC**NG rude and immature.You people su*k.Over and out,River (grew up in TX and highly respect the values, pride and family oriented Hispanic, Chicana and Latino people who were my peers and FAMILY members)
Re: [QUAD-L] 2nd hosp trip and advice needed
Hi Stacy, I know you will win these battles and will be back as soon as you're able. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong and get yourself well and feeling better. You can do what it takes because you have powerful energy. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I thought things were on the up and up and it turns out I had a set back. My incision got infected. I had some drainage, I called the doc and he sent me to the local ER since I had the surgery by him in Hopkins 2 and 1/2 hrs away. He told me they would open the incision and drain it and made me aware that it was no big deal. It turned out to be a big deal. I went and the local docs didn't want to touch me so they arranged an ambulance ride back to Hopkins (actually bay view, an annex of Hopkins). They opened my incision and hooked me up to a wound vac.I was there for 3 days and2of the days were waiting for medicare and medicaid to approve the wound vac and nursing care at home. What a joke. They will pay for 2 extradays of hospital stay but wontcover the wound vac and nursing care right away to avoid the cost of being in a hospital. I honestly wish I knew that it would be another hospital! stay, I would have done my bowel prep at home b/c it was the night for me to do it b/c of course they never got a commode chair for me. I ended up doing the bowel prep in bed and I had my first accident since paralysis the day after I did the suppository. I have to do my program on the commode for me to completely empty. I was so mad b/c I was sitting up when it happened and now I fear a UTI b/c it got around the catheter. (I still have the foley while stoma heals). I hope I dont get one but I get UTI's a lot. I also would have taken a shower b/c I hadnt washed my hair in a couple of days and we all know that we are not going to be offered a shower or given one when we ask b/c it would just be too much work. I asked and they offered me the no rinse shampoo cap to wash my hair and a basin of water to wash up. UGH. Frustration has ultimately taken it's toll when the PA came in to activate the stoma so I wouldn't have to go back up Mond! ay. She filled my bladder through the foley and inserted the catheter through the stoma and there weren't any results. I'm ready to freak out. They said it could be there is still swelling and dont worry we'll try again in a week and it should work. Im really worried about all of this. This surgery has turned into a nightmare. The wound is still quite large and deep. I'm looking at about a month of healing time and praying the stoma works when I go back up at the end of next week. does anyone have any words of wisdom with the wound vac and/or the stoma. I'm worried on both accounts. I will be writing a letter to the hospital about the commode situation. That is not an issue, they will be hearing from me. Thanks in advance Stacy
RE: [QUAD-L] I'm new to the list
Hi Linda, It's always nice to see a post from you. I'm glad you are home and healing. Stay strong and stay well. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Linda Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to the list, It came thanks to Wally. I've been to Sunsetpines Resort, really nice place to go and Dale is a friend of mine. I'm from WI. and am curious how many are Wisconsinites out there? I'm a c3-4 incomplete quad injured in car accident9-25-98 from central WI. Tom Hello Everyone welcome to all of the Newbies! Gosh it's good to be home again and back on the Q-list, I sure missed you guys! Wally Andrea kept in touch. My computer has been down until now, which just about killed me!! ha! I'm still still healing this butt, so my 3 hours are just about up then it's back to bed. I would love to have a laptop.Take care, Friends, Lindaf Discover Yahoo!Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing more. Check it out!
Re: [QUAD-L] 2nd hosp trip and advice needed
Thank you Dave, those are very kind words. It means a lotcoming from you. Stacy - Original Message - From: David K. Kelmer To: Stacy Harim ; disabledofamerica ; Quad-List Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] 2nd hosp trip and advice needed Hi Stacy, I know you will win these battles and will be back as soon as you're able. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong and get yourself well and feeling better. You can do what it takes because you have powerful energy. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I thought things were on the up and up and it turns out I had a set back. My incision got infected. I had some drainage, I called the doc and he sent me to the local ER since I had the surgery by him in Hopkins 2 and 1/2 hrs away. He told me they would open the incision and drain it and made me aware that it was no big deal. It turned out to be a big deal. I went and the local docs didn't want to touch me so they arranged an ambulance ride back to Hopkins (actually bay view, an annex of Hopkins). They opened my incision and hooked me up to a wound vac.I was there for 3 days and2of the days were waiting for medicare and medicaid to approve the wound vac and nursing care at home. What a joke. They will pay for 2 extradays of hospital stay but wontcover the wound vac and nursing care right away to avoid the cost of being in a hospital. I honestly wish I knew that it would be another hospital stay, I would have done my bowel prep at home b/c it was the night for me to do it b/c of course they never got a commode chair for me. I ended up doing the bowel prep in bed and I had my first accident since paralysis the day after I did the suppository. I have to do my program on the commode for me to completely empty. I was so mad b/c I was sitting up when it happened and now I fear a UTI b/c it got around the catheter. (I still have the foley while stoma heals). I hope I dont get one but I get UTI's a lot. I also would have taken a shower b/c I hadnt washed my hair in a couple of days and we all know that we are not going to be offered a shower or given one when we ask b/c it would just be too much work. I asked and they offered me the no rinse shampoo cap to wash my hair and a basin of water to wash up. UGH. Frustration has ultimately taken it's toll when the PA came in to activate the stoma so I wouldn't have to go back up Monday. She filled my bladder through the foley and inserted the catheter through the stoma and there weren't any results. I'm ready to freak out. They said it could be there is still swelling and dont worry we'll try again in a week and it should work. Im really worried about all of this. This surgery has turned into a nightmare. The wound is still quite large and deep. I'm looking at about a month of healing time and praying the stoma works when I go back up at the end of next week. does anyone have any words of wisdom with the wound vac and/or the stoma. I'm worried on both accounts. I will be writing a letter to the hospital about the commode situation. That is not an issue, they will be hearing from me. Thanks in advance Stacy
Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Mexicans and melting pot
Carol you really don't know what you're talking about. Most of us have been able bodied the majority of our life number oneand have seen the same thing you see, you act like we never leave the house and I'm offended you don't think we know what we're talking about because we're quads, kind of lousy thing to sayon the quad-list. Believe me when I say "We see what you see and a whole lot more" because we are discriminated against daily and I feel like an alien in my own country sometimes so I have an insight you'll never know. As far as every other name on the dockets sounds like they're only 50% of the problem. I grew up in Southern California so I grant you I've been around a lot more Mexicans than you and all young men tend to whistle at women I know I've been in construction my whole life and in construction their is a big problem with Mexicans they work more hours than any other race and all I hear from contractors is bitching because they can't compete which is a lie because they can compete but can't find any one willing to work weekends they used to work cheaper but now they are paid about the same. Do I like illegal Mexicans working here, no but if we were in their shoes we would do the same thing. What people should really be pissed off about is outsourcing our work it's really the same thing, we outsource our jobs to countries that work longer and cheaper with less benefits. What's the difference of sending the work to them or them coming to the job it's the same outcome loss of jobs, the only difference is the jobs we send to them are jobs we actually wanted and are the blame for loss ofemployment because most of the jobs Mexicans take nobody wants any ways. Let's not blame the Mexicans for the problem let's the blame some fat,lazy ass no good sitting on the couch wasting space people in this country. I'm a C5/6 quadriplegic with use of one arm and I'm working like a lot of people on the list and I see people bitching about not being able to find a job but some how I did and it isn't because I went back to school or have a college education hell I only have a GED but I looked every day and actually had a job while still in a nursing home and it took me a while but I looked until I had one. Let's think if everybody in America had a job nobody would care about the Mexicans but we're sending jobs overseas and won't work most of the jobs they take.' Mark ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06/10/05 23:14:24 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] RE: Mexicans and melting pot You all really don't know what you are talking about , I am able bodied and care for my son who is the quad. the ones of you that feel sorry for the Mexicans and hispanics will live long enough to get bit by it. Most of you are not able bodied and don't see what I see every day. A white woman is not safe to walk down the street. The young mexican boys will whistle and yell at the young women.If you read the court dockets you will see that every other name is a hispanic name. Maybe it is just KY because of all the horse farms and tobacco industry. But I know that when my daughter lived in Arkansas and the hispanics worked in the chicken industry they had trouble out there. Carol
Re: [QUAD-L] 2nd hosp trip and advice needed
I hate you're having such a hard time Stacy I know hospitals are a pain and I just have to be about dead to go in one. I really hope everything works out so good luck andkeep us updated. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stacy Harim Date: 06/10/05 20:46:39 To: disabledofamerica; Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] 2nd hosp trip and advice needed Well I thought things were on the up and up and it turns out I had a set back. My incision got infected. I had some drainage, I called the doc and he sent me to the local ER since I had the surgery by him in Hopkins 2 and 1/2 hrs away. He told me they would open the incision and drain it and made me aware that it was no big deal. It turned out to be a big deal. I went and the local docs didn't want to touch me so they arranged an ambulance ride back to Hopkins (actually bay view, an annex of Hopkins). They opened my incision and hooked me up to a wound vac.I was there for 3 days and2of the days were waiting for medicare and medicaid to approve the wound vac and nursing care at home. What a joke. They will pay for 2 extradays of hospital stay but wontcover the wound vac and nursing care right away to avoid the cost of being in a hospital. I honestly wish I knew that it would be another hospital stay, I would have done my bowel prep at home b/c it was the night for me to do it b/c of course they never got a commode chair for me. I ended up doing the bowel prep in bed and I had my first accident since paralysis the day after I did the suppository. I have to do my program on the commode for me to completely empty. I was so mad b/c I was sitting up when it happened and now I fear a UTI b/c it got around the catheter. (I still have the foley while stoma heals). I hope I dont get one but I get UTI's a lot. I also would have taken a shower b/c I hadnt washed my hair in a couple of days and we all know that we are not going to be offered a shower or given one when we ask b/c it would just be too much work. I asked and they offered me the no rinse shampoo cap to wash my hair and a basin of water to wash up. UGH. Frustration has ultimately taken it's toll when the PA came in to activate the stoma so I wouldn't have to go back up Monday. She filled my bladder through the foley and inserted the catheter through the stoma and there weren't any results. I'm ready to freak out. They said it could be there is still swelling and dont worry we'll try again in a week and it should work. Im really worried about all of this. This surgery has turned into a nightmare. The wound is still quite large and deep. I'm looking at about a month of healing time and praying the stoma works when I go back up at the end of next week. does anyone have any words of wisdom with the wound vac and/or the stoma. I'm worried on both accounts. I will be writing a letter to the hospital about the commode situation. That is not an issue, they will be hearing from me. Thanks in advance Stacy
[QUAD-L] Fw: Outsourcing
I thought this came at a good time, tenstion is running high on this list. Lol. Silas - Original Message - From: adam malle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: FW: Outsourcing From: "Robert Giles" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Adam Malle'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FW: OutsourcingDate: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:52:05 -0400MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from mounet.com ([216.145.76.16]) by mc10-f23.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:52:29 -0700Received: from Computer1 (unverified [63.157.145.60]) by mounet.com (SurgeMail 2.2h) with ESMTP id 85489123 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:52:22 -0400X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEy4oIrENNGsX3r2OqZK7ve92ADq/F3kPQ=Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.comX-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.84/886/Wed May 18 06:32:36 2005 v0.64-5484344X-SpamDetect: : 0.00 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yetX-External-IP: 63.157.145.60X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2005 17:52:29.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B72F660:01C56DE5]-Original Message-From: C. M. Callahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:59 PMTo: Undisclosed-Recipient:;Subject: OutsourcingCongress today announced that the Office of President of the United Statesof America will be outsourced to overseas interests as of June 30th, the endof this fiscal year. The move is being made to save not only a significantportion of the President's $400K yearly salary, but also a record $521billion in deficit expenditures and related overhead."We believe this is a wise move financially. The cost savings should besignificant," stated Congressman Thomas Reynolds (R-Washington).Reynolds,with the aid of the GAO (General Accounting Office), hasstudied outsourcing of American jobs extensively."We cannot expect to remain competitive on the world stage with the currentlevel of cash outlay," Reynolds noted.Mr. Bush was informed this morning by e-mail of his termination.Preparations for the job move have been underway for some time. SanjiGurvinder Singh of Indus Teleservices, Mumbai India will assume the Officeof President of the United States in July.Mr. Singh was born in the UnitedStates while his Indian parents were vacationing at Niagara Falls, makinghim eligible for the position.He will receive a salary of $320 (USD) amonth with no health coverage or other benefits.It is believed that Mr. Singh will be able to handle his jobresponsibilities without support staff. Due to the time differencebetween the US and India, he will work primarily at night, when few officesof the US Government will be open."Working nights will allow me to keep my day job at the AmericanExpressCallCenter," stated Mr. Singh in an exclusive interview."I am excited aboutthis position. I always hoped I would be Presidentsomeday."A Congressional spokesperson noted that while Mr. Singh may not be fullyaware of all the issues involved in the Office of President, this should notbe a problem. Mr. Singh will rely upon a script tree that will enable him torespond effectively to most topics of concern. Using this tree, he canaddress common concerns without having to understand the underlying issuesat all."We know these scripting tools work," stated the spokesperson. "Mr. Bush hasused them successfully for years."Mr. Bush will receive health coverage, expenses, and salary until his finalday of employment. Following a two week waiting period, he will be eligiblefor $240 dollars a week unemployment for 13 weeks.Unfortunately he willnot be eligible for Medicaid as his unemployment benefits will exceed theallowed limit.Mr. Bush has been provided the outplacement services of Manpower, Inc. tohelp him write a resume and prepare for his upcoming job transition.According to Manpower, Mr. Bush may have difficulties in securing a newposition due to limited practical work experience. One possibility isre-enlistment in the Army National Guard. Should he choose this option,he would likely be stationed in Iraq a country he has visited. "I've beenthere, I know all about Iraq," stated Mr. Bush, who gained invaluableknowledge of the country in a visit to the BaghdadAirport's nonsmokingterminal and gift shop.Sources in Baghdad and Falluja say Mr. Bush would receive a warm receptionfrom local Iraqis. They have asked to be provided with details of hisarrival so that they might arrange an appropriate welcome.
[QUAD-L] Fw: Chicken
- Original Message - From: OLuv1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Oluv 1 Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:02 AM Subject: Chicken Dark meat chicken, or any chicken eaten with the skin, can have just as much artery-clogging saturated fat as red meat. For the healthiest poultry meal, choose white meat and remove the skin before eating. For the best taste, though, cook the bird with the skin intact -- this will help retain the moisture in the meat, and won't affect the fat or calories. If someone claims, ``I love God,'' but that person hates his brother, then that person is a liar! One who does not love his brother (whom he has seen) cannot love God (whom he has not seen)! 1John 4:20 Oluv1
[QUAD-L] Re: Mexicans and melting pot
Just an observation...but there is a difference in #1 sending "our" jobs out of the country #2 letting Mexicans whoever else do "our" crap-jobs in our own country is TAXES!!! I hear a lot ofb*tching about what "we" should do with the tax money, but very little about wherethe money iscoming from how it was made! We might need to concentrate on taking, doing each-n-every little job, we have in this country. Even if that means we have 12meanile jobs a day to do.At least they're all jobs we are all profiting from.my opinion Alley101-Ky
FW: [QUAD-L] Bed Sores
For 26 years I never had a single sore. Then I was in a car wreck that broke both legs. The casts created horrendous sores on my feet, ankles, and knees. Then developed another on my butt during the hospital stay. Since then, the slightest prolonged pressure anywhere creates a sore. And they take forever to heal. They are the bane of my existence. Count your blessings, Greg.Larry Willis From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Bed Sores Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:41:21 -0700 Are bed sores a real common problem with everyone here? In 23 years, the only ones I had were from when I was in the hospital. I've had red spots, but they've gone away in 1 or 2 days. I had 1 on the back of my foot, from the back of my shoe being folded over. But that's all I can recall. I had something that might have been a bed sore, but we never knew for sure. It was a funny spot that showed up on an MIR of my hip. It was a spot under the muscle of my butt. It never broke through the skin, and there was never a problem. Docs still not sure what it was. One doc wanted me to have surgery, cut it open to drain it. But the surgoen said never cut open your butt if not needed right away. That it could weaken the skin there. It's been a few years and never a problem. I asked the doc to do a new MRI, but said my then insurance would not cover it just to look. Greg
[QUAD-L] Fw: Uninsured Americans
Subject: Uninsured Americans From: Kari Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:57 PMTo: Kari RootSubject: NEWS RELEASE: At Least 16 Million Adults Lack Adequate Health Insurance Coverage NEWS RELEASE Embargoed for release: 12:01 a.m., Tuesday June 14, 2005 For further information, contact: Mary Mahon: (212) 606-3853 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell phone (917) 225-2314 Kari Root: (301) 652-1558, ext. 112 NEW STUDY: AT LEAST 16 MILLION ADULTS LACK ADEQUATE HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE; TOTAL NUMBER OF UNINSURED AND UNDERINSURED ADULTS CLIMBS TO 61 MILLION Many Patients at Greater Financial Risk; Cutting Back on Needed Medications and Treatment New York City, June 14, 2005In addition to the 45 million uninsured adults in this country, at least another 16 million adults were underinsured in 2003, meaning they did not have enough financial protection to cover their health care expenses, according to a web-exclusive study released today in the journal Health Affairs. An estimated 61 million adults, equal to 35 percent of adults ages 19-64, had either no insurance , sporadic coverage, or insurance that exposed them to catastrophic medical costs during 2003. The study, conducted by researchers at the Commonwealth Fund, is the first in over a decade to assess the growing numbers of underinsured adults and how their lack of adequate coverage affects their health, as well as their finances and related stress. Until now researchers have only surmised about the effects of being underinsured. This study, which surveyed over 4,000 adults across the country between September 2003 and January 2004, finds that the under-insured are almost as likely as the uninsured to go without needed health care and to incur medical debt. Those most at risk for being under-insured are people with low or moderate incomes, and those who suffer from chronic illnesses. Underinsured adults were more likely than those with more adequate coverage to face higher cost-sharing, limits on what their plans would pay for treatment and to find that their plans did not cover care that they thought would be covered. Yet, despite more limited coverage, they also faced high annual premium costs. One third had annual premiums of $1,500 or higher, while nearly half paid premiums that amounted to 5 percent of their incomes. In the past several years, this country has seen a relentless rise in insurance costs and a major shift in comprehensive insurance benefits toward plans with higher deductibles, more patient cost-sharing, and in some cases, restricted benefits, said Cathy Schoen, lead study author and vice president at The Commonwealth fund. The result is that significantly more people face real barriers to care as well as financial stress. According to the study, Insured But Not Protected: How Many Adults Are Underinsured?, these changes in health insurance coverage are leaving more people without adequate financial protection. This increases their risk for not being able to obtain needed, quality health care. Compared to adults with adequate insurance coverage, underinsured and uninsured adults were significantly more likely to go without care because of costs, to lack confidence that they would receive quality care, and to rate their care experiences negatively. Findings related to access and care include: Half of the underinsured (54 percent) and uninsured (59 percent) went without at least one of four needed medical servicesdouble the rate of those with adequate insurance. Two-thirds of sicker adults who were underinsured and three-fourths of sicker adults who were uninsured went without needed care because of costs. Nearly half of underinsured sicker adults with chronic diseases or poor health did not adhere to medications. Thirty-eight percent did not see a doctor when sick, and one third did not follow up on treatments or care recommended by their doctors because of cost. Rates of medical bill stress among the underinsured were almost equal to those reported by the uninsured. Findings related to financial stress include: Seven out of 10 low-income adults (household income 200 percent below federal poverty level) were either uninsured or underinsured during the year Nearly half (46 percent) of underinsured adults were contacted by a bill collection agency in regard to medical bills About 7 percent of continuously insured adults spent 10 percent or more of their income on family medical expenses during the year. The study highlights the importance of taking income into account in insurance plan design. This includes limiting out-of-pocket cost exposure to not more than ten percent of income in general, and five percent for those with low incomes. Yet, in todays markets income-related designs rarely occur. The
[QUAD-L] Races and Politics
As we have all agreed before, arguing and stating how we feel about political issues in here will never change a single thing...Only way to change things is by lobbying and writing our congressmen and ladies. Even then it's a battle and the wheels of justice and red tape run slowly.But to make changes it takes determination and effort by many .Issues must be prioritized, as someone else in here had stated.Many of us talk aboutall the problems with our world in here, but i doubt it changes things as much as griping to a brick wall. LOL. Just my own opinionIt sure would help if we find more to help causes as Chris Reeve and Dana did , and she is still trying to do. Dan
[QUAD-L] Sorry
Sorry you don't see behind the scenes what I see. I see people desperate to stay here no matter what it takes and they are not citizens, not even legal to be here. The bosses look the other way and hire them anyway. They don't even file income taxes in april. They use false social security numbers but Social security doesn't care. They get the money anyway. Most are paid in cash but even the ones that they do take taxes out on don't ever report their earning but then a lot of Americans don't either. I guess you and me never will see eye to eye on a lot of things.
Re: FW: [QUAD-L] Bed Sores
I don't know how they got the name, "bed sore". I get them from hospitals. I have an area that gets chronic small skin tears from my hips deforming. I find that the adhesives on bandages cause as much damage as the wound if not more. I use pure aloe and rub it in then 2.5 hydrocortisone cream. Heals my "chair sores" overnight. I think the low air loss mattress helps a lot. Themattress I have is 10 years old and held together with duct tape. The folks at medicare say I have to have two stage four wounds to get the mattress replaced with a new one. My skin has turned to some weird crap more akin to tissue paper than skin. After I told my boss that I couldn't stay at work 8 hours a day my working career ended. I tried to keep my insurance too. I think I'm better off on medicaid. Its just another insurance. I couldn't afford the $270 a month that would pay insurance while waiting for my medicare to begin. That $270 a month didn't include drugs or supplies.(two year waiting list) Several social workers told me I was wasting my money on insurance. I really hate how doctors and nurses can act so superior about the sores. The only time I ever see a serious sore on anyone is when a doctor or a nurse was in charge. The treatments that they come up with are completely ridiculous. WET TO DRY bandages, heat lamps. I expect to see them start bleeding people next. In a message dated 6/11/2005 9:15:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For 26 years I never had a single sore. Then I was in a car wreck that broke both legs. The casts created horrendous sores on my feet, ankles, and knees. Then developed another on my butt during the hospital stay. Since then, the slightest prolonged pressure anywhere creates a sore.And they take forever to heal. They are the bane of my existence. Count your blessings, Greg. Larry WillisFrom: "Greg" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: [QUAD-L] Bed SoresDate: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:41:21 -0700Are bed sores a real common problem with everyone here?In 23 years, the only ones I had were from when I was in the hospital.I've had red spots, but they've gone away in 1 or 2 days. I had 1 on the back of my foot, from the back of my shoe being folded over. But that's all I can recall.I had something that might have been a bed sore, but we never knew for sure. It was a funny spot that showed up on an MIR of my hip. It was a spot under the muscle of my butt. It never broke through the skin, and there was never a problem. Docs still not sure what it was. One doc wanted me to have surgery, cut it open to drain it. But the surgoen said never cut open your butt if not needed right away. That it could weaken the skin there. It's been a few years and never a problem. I asked the doc to do a new MRI, but said my then insurance would not cover it just to look.Greg
Re: [QUAD-L] 2nd hosp trip and advice needed
wow, u sure seem to have the midas touch when it comes to hospital care stacey. i hope you can think and heal faster than they can screw up. stay tuff and refuse to give up. you will have to come across some competent care sooner or later. speak to your inner self and emphasize the importance of heeling yourself soon. rely on within yourself for complete heeling as you are not getting much help from without. you are very strong, you CAN do this. all our positive thoughts are with you. you go, girl. dave Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I thought things were on the up and up and it turns out I had a set back. My incision got infected. I had some drainage, I called the doc and he sent me to the local ER since I had the surgery by him in Hopkins 2 and 1/2 hrs away. He told me they would open the incision and drain it and made me aware that it was no big deal. It turned out to be a big deal. I went and the local docs didn't want to touch me so they arranged an ambulance ride back to Hopkins (actually bay view, an annex of Hopkins). They opened my incision and hooked me up to a wound vac.I was there for 3 days and2of the days were waiting for medicare and medicaid to approve the wound vac and nursing care at home. What a joke. They will pay for 2 extradays of hospital stay but wontcover the wound vac and nursing care right away to avoid the cost of being in a hospital. I honestly wish I knew that it would be another hospital! stay, I would have done my bowel prep at home b/c it was the night for me to do it b/c of course they never got a commode chair for me. I ended up doing the bowel prep in bed and I had my first accident since paralysis the day after I did the suppository. I have to do my program on the commode for me to completely empty. I was so mad b/c I was sitting up when it happened and now I fear a UTI b/c it got around the catheter. (I still have the foley while stoma heals). I hope I dont get one but I get UTI's a lot. I also would have taken a shower b/c I hadnt washed my hair in a couple of days and we all know that we are not going to be offered a shower or given one when we ask b/c it would just be too much work. I asked and they offered me the no rinse shampoo cap to wash my hair and a basin of water to wash up. UGH. Frustration has ultimately taken it's toll when the PA came in to activate the stoma so I wouldn't have to go back up Mond! ay. She filled my bladder through the foley and inserted the catheter through the stoma and there weren't any results. I'm ready to freak out. They said it could be there is still swelling and dont worry we'll try again in a week and it should work. Im really worried about all of this. This surgery has turned into a nightmare. The wound is still quite large and deep. I'm looking at about a month of healing time and praying the stoma works when I go back up at the end of next week. does anyone have any words of wisdom with the wound vac and/or the stoma. I'm worried on both accounts. I will be writing a letter to the hospital about the commode situation. That is not an issue, they will be hearing from me. Thanks in advance StacyDave(what's a quad?) Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Mexicans and melting pot
definately. sending jobs OUT of the country means many (including one quad on this list- i paid $38,000 to feds last year) will soon be unemployed. no more income taxes being sent to washington or the state. one more future drain on the welfare/unemployment/ssdi roles. bringing illegals in for cheap manual labor jobs means cheaper food/produce/lawns/gardens/roofs/housing builds at below minimum wages for those of us left.why do you thinkgrapes are 50 cents a pound and oranges and grapefruit are 75 cents a pound? come on down to Arizona and southern Ca and see if you enjoy picking fruit in the hot sun for 25 cents an hour. then go enjoy your government program while you can - while i can still support it. the day is coming that the 3rd world nations who are stealing our tax base won't givbe a rat's ass if you get your SS check. no wait - they already don't but soon the support w! ill be gone. dave leigh parrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just an observation...but there is a difference in #1 sending "our" jobs out of the country #2 letting Mexicans whoever else do "our" crap-jobs in our own country is TAXES!!! I hear a lot ofb*tching about what "we" should do with the tax money, but very little about wherethe money iscoming from how it was made! We might need to concentrate on taking, doing each-n-every little job, we have in this country. Even if that means we have 12meanile jobs a day to do.At least they're all jobs we are all profiting from.my opinion Alley101-KyDave(what's a quad?) Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out!
Re: [QUAD-L] re: overload of Mexicans
If they want to come here why cant they do it the correct way. They are trying to do things the LEGAL way and get her over here the proper way but seems there is a 40,000 people back log waiting to come to the US. so choosing to enter the US tonight to work for some money tomorrow instead of waiting years behind 40,000 others is a bigmystery to you? do you ever think about what you post or do you just get on to rant thoughtlesly and insult everyone of ours intelligence? if your son married a foreigner, she automatically becomes an american citizen. that is of course, if he is an american citizen to start with. dave btw how's the condom cath going?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont think being poor is any excuse for Mexicans coming to the US illegally.If they want to come here why cant they do it the correct way. As for Asia and the Chinese they have a large country, perhaps we could round up all the Mexicans that are here illegally and give them a choice of going back to where they come from or going to China. What really ticks me off about all this is my youngest son married a Chinese girl last year in China. They are trying to do things the LEGAL way and get her over here the proper way but seems there is a 40,000 people back log waiting to come to the US. It is people from all over the world wanting to come the legal way. Why cant the Mexicans wait and come legally. Do you know if you emply one and they have an expired work permit you can get a huge fine. I did employ one several years ago and she worked fine for a while, then she started wanting more money and for me to pay her insurance so she could have a baby. I didn't have the money to pay her $15.00 an hr plus several hundred dollars for a woman of child producing years to have insurance. She just up and quit on me the day she told me this leaving us without a caregiver. She ended up working someplace else and having a baby thru the board of health and you know what hospital she had it at...University where I work. These people DO PLAN on staying in this country no matter what. What are they going to do send the parents back and keep the babies here? I think the citizenship laws need to be changed to correct the problem. CarolDave(what's a quad?) Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
RE: [QUAD-L] Silas,
it is also a fact that if we hadn't taken the battle to 'them' no matter who 'they' are, we'd be cleaning up more sky scraper rubble filled with our women and children. we'd be drinking poisoned water and breathing disease ridden air courtesy of 'them'. when there is a fight, there is always colateral dammage. i am glad that is happening 'there' and not 'here'. if we crawled into a hole or tried to negotiate any more, we'd be havinmg lots more funerals than the 1,600 or so we have the past two years. funny isn't it how our abusers take naked humiliating pictures while theirs chop off heads with butcher knives on camera and send them out world wide? the war is in the right area and the cause is just. dave Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, . I cannot put it so eloquently, butbasically, some ass-kickin' was needed and ass-kickin' was accomplished.Eric W Rudd[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Stuntman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:23 PMTo: Silas Shelburne; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com;[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] Silas,While we as quads may feel that priorities are not correct, as Americans we should realize 9/11 changed many things.Gone was that secuirity we felt, seperated from what is a daily way of life in places like Israel, Chile, Indonesa, Pakistan, Sri-Lanka, and many other places where Islamic Facists and other groups of Terrorists have been waging their war on modern soc! iety. I'm more pissed off at the Leftist Media BS which ignores everything good happening while overblowing things like the "ABUSE" (not TORTURE) which a few were guilty of in Abu Grav, the story about our soldiers mistreating the Koran that turned out to be a LIE run by News Week, which caused riots resulting in deaths. When the truth came out that detainies had been flushing its pages down the toilet, not a word was heard out of the Middle East.People like Ted Kennedy should sit down and shut up instead of trying to use this for political gain. All they do is add more fuel to the fire which Al Gazeera can't wait to use.Dave(what's a quad?) Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out!
[QUAD-L] everybody in bed already?
a few recent pictures. guess i'm the only one with a camera. http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/ns/newstuff.html daveDave(what's a quad?) Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
Re: [QUAD-L] Silas,
I can't wait to see the invasion of Iran,,then Syria. Lets not forget north Korea. Some of those former soviet republics need an ass kicking too. They have awful leaders who don't like America and we know they have WMD's. Lets write our congressmen and complain we haven't attacked enough people. If they don't like us, they need a good ass kicking. Just how paranoid do we have to behave? john In a message dated 6/11/2005 11:59:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it is also a fact that if we hadn't taken the battle to 'them' no matter who 'they' are, we'd be cleaning up more sky scraper rubble filled with our women and children. we'd be drinking poisoned water and breathing disease ridden air courtesy of 'them'. when there is a fight, there is always colateral dammage. i am glad that is happening 'there' and not 'here'. if we crawled into a hole or tried to negotiate any more, we'd be havinmg lots more funerals than the 1,600 or so we have the past two years. funny isn't it how our abusers take naked humiliating pictures while theirs chop off heads with butcher knives on camera and send them out world wide? the war is in the right area and the cause is just. dave Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, . I cannot put it so eloquently, butbasically, some ass-kickin' was needed and ass-kickin' was accomplished.Eric W Rudd[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Stuntman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:23 PMTo: Silas Shelburne; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com;[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] Silas,While we as quads may feel that priorities are not correct, as Americans we should realize 9/11 changed many things.Gone was that secuirity we felt, seperated from what is a daily way of life in places like Israel, Chile, Indonesa, Pakistan, Sri-Lanka, and many other places where Islamic Facists and other groups of Terrorists have been waging their war on modern soc! iety. I'm more pissed off at the Leftist Media BS which ignores everything good happening while overblowing things like the "ABUSE" (not TORTURE) which a few were guilty of in Abu Grav, the story about our soldiers mistreating the Koran that turned out to be a LIE run by News Week, which caused riots resulting in deaths. When the truth came out that detainies had been flushing its pages down the toilet, not a word was heard out of the Middle East.People like Ted Kennedy should sit down and shut up instead of trying to use this for political gain. All they do is add more fuel to the fire which Al Gazeera can't wait to use.
Re: [QUAD-L] Silas,
just how many twin towers have to fall to get to you john? do they have to kill your immediate family before you get up off your sissy behind and strike back? what's your plan, talk to osama and tell him we'll get out of the mid east altogether? i agree we need to talk to them more than we do but giving them 9/11 for free just isn't in my blood. i'm sure we got some of those involved and some who paid those who did it. what exactly would be your unsarcastic plan? dave[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see the invasion of Iran,,then Syria. Lets not forget north Korea. Some of those former soviet republics need an ass kicking too. They have awful leaders who don't like America and we know they have WMD's. Lets write our congressmen and complain we haven't attacked enough people. If they don't like us, they need a good ass kicking. Just how paranoid do we have to behave? john In a message dated 6/11/2005 11:59:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it is also a fact that if we hadn't taken the battle to 'them' no matter who 'they' are, we'd be cleaning up more sky scraper rubble filled with our women and children. we'd be drinking poisoned water and breathing disease ridden air courtesy of 'them'. when there is a fight, there is always colateral dammage. i am glad that is happening 'there' and not 'here'. if we crawled into a hole or tried to negotiate any more, we'd be havinmg lots more funerals than the 1,600 or so we have the past two years. funny isn't it how our abusers take naked humiliating pictures while theirs chop off heads with butcher knives on camera and send them out world wide? the war is in the right area and the cause is just. dave Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, . I cannot put it so eloquently, butbasically, some ass-kickin' was needed and ass-kickin' was accomplished.Eric W Rudd[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Stuntman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:23 PMTo: Silas Shelburne; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com;[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] Silas,While we as quads may feel that priorities are not correct, as Americans we should realize 9/11 changed many things.Gone was that secuirity we felt, seperated from what is a daily way of life in places like Israel, Chile, Indonesa, Pakistan, Sri-Lanka, and many other places where Islamic Facists and other groups of Terrorists have been waging their war on modern soc! ! iety. I'm more pissed off at the Leftist Media BS which ignores everything good happening while overblowing things like the "ABUSE" (not TORTURE) which a few were guilty of in Abu Grav, the story about our soldiers mistreating the Koran that turned out to be a LIE run by News Week, which caused riots resulting in deaths. When the truth came out that detainies had been flushing its pages down the toilet, not a word was heard out of the Middle East.People like Ted Kennedy should sit down and shut up instead of trying to use this for political gain. All they do is add more fuel to the fire which Al Gazeera can't wait to use. Dave(what's a quad?) Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
Re: [QUAD-L] letter to columbus scholars
never heard a word, imagine that. daveRiver Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Steph, wonderful letter Dave. It came to me with no subject so didn't immediately catch my eye. Please let us know if you get a response from anyone.RiverOn Apr 15, 2005, at 11:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a little sip of liquid inspiration goes a long ways huh? that is my fancy mba shining through. i have heard nothing from anyone on the mail list. oh well dave In a message dated 4/14/2005 1:22:01 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excellent letter, Dave, I don't thinkit could have been saidany better. :o) Steph The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906Dave(what's a quad?) Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
