Re: [QUAD-L] van battery
Ron, I agree with your regarding the small, (stock) alternator, however, when it comes to Quad Drivers, especially in areas of extreme weather conditions, both hot and cold, a second battery could save one's life. A remote starter is also handly for those frigid mornings when you don't have a scraper or garage. Anything else would be too risky Best Wishes In a message dated 11/29/2009 10:35:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, r.pra...@sbcglobal.net writes: When the engine is running the small alternator is sufficient in most cases. Like I said before what is ruining you battery is the drainage before you start it up. Get the biggest battery you can fit in the van and start engine as soon as possible.this will solve most of the problem. A dual battery setup would be cool but very few are going to spend the cash for that. ron c7
[QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
Hi Dana, The automotive industry, does not communicate with the mobility industry. It never has and I doubt it ever will as the mobility mass is not that big by comparison to its counterparts. As the automotive industry downsizes with smaller, more efficient vehicles, the mobility industry is making motorized mobility larger and more stable to meet and address government standards. And you are caught in the middle with fewer choices each production year. I don't see any major changes in this for the next couple of years as research and prototypes are expensive and must pay for themselves. Learning as much as you can about mobility and knowledge are your tools for survival. This applies to your mobility too. Quality may change with production years on some manufacturers. Also consider the service end of the problem. The closer you are to a mobility provider, the better your odds and lessens any risks. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 9:12:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, daa...@aol.com writes: Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
Im a c7 quad and I drive a 2000 Safari mini van with a 4.3 v6 and a side entry lift. Learning how to park a side entry wheelchair van is a trick. Actually Ive found there is no full proof way to do it. If your not driving this isnt an issue which is a good thing. Full size vans with a lift are harder to find these days but have advantagesmore roomno ramp to go up...and are more durable after 100,000 miles. The minis get better gas mileage, are easier to drive and park and with the drop floor you can see out the window and get in parking garages and the car wash. The raised roof full size vans are a pain...painpain.you cant see anything when you ride, no parking garages or car washes. Either go with a mini or a full size dropped floor van. Also try to get a dual armed lift then you are good for 800 pounds. The single arm vangaters are good for maybe 600 pounds ron c7 --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair To: daa...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:31 AM Dana, i'm like you and don't drive either---We used to use a large full size dodge giant van that I bought cheap and made repairs on, it was huge and hard for my wife to drive, plus had an 8cylinder that used a lot of gas, it also had side entry lift and we always got blocked in at parking spots Now we got a 1995 chevy astro-mini van with a 6 cylinder and raised roof. It has a rear entry ricon lift and we never can get blocked in :-) . Me and wife both love it since she drives- I went to a van sales and tried loading on the mini vans that a quad can drive but man it was a tight fit for me too, plus they cost over $25 thousand and way up--- no way we could afford one of those. The new ones they had cost over $40 thousand.-DAN H. From: daa...@aol.com daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:11:48 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
Great information! The only caveat to the dual armed lifts is that they block your way to park in the front passenger position (...if you don't drive). I've always used a single arm lift in the past. Now though, I just received a Permobil and there is no way it is strong enough for my total weight. So, here is a possibility that is in the beta stage: Slide-Away Lift, http://www.vantagemobility.com/products/ricon_lifts.aspx Mike~ -Original Message- From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:56 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Im a c7 quad and I drive a 2000 Safari mini van with a 4.3 v6 and a side entry lift. Learning how to park a side entry wheelchair van is a trick. Actually Ive found there is no full proof way to do it. If your not driving this isnt an issue which is a good thing. Full size vans with a lift are harder to find these days but have advantagesmore roomno ramp to go up...and are more durable after 100,000 miles. The minis get better gas mileage, are easier to drive and park and with the drop floor you can see out the window and get in parking garages and the car wash. The raised roof full size vans are a pain...painpain.you cant see anything when you ride, no parking garages or car washes. Either go with a mini or a full size dropped floor van. Also try to get a dual armed lift then you are good for 800 pounds. The single arm vangaters are good for maybe 600 pounds ron c7 --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair To: daa...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:31 AM Dana, i'm like you and don't drive either---We used to use a large full size dodge giant van that I bought cheap and made repairs on, it was huge and hard for my wife to drive, plus had an 8cylinder that used a lot of gas, it also had side entry lift and we always got blocked in at parking spots Now we got a 1995 chevy astro-mini van with a 6 cylinder and raised roof. It has a rear entry ricon lift and we never can get blocked in :-) . Me and wife both love it since she drives- I went to a van sales and tried loading on the mini vans that a quad can drive but man it was a tight fit for me too, plus they cost over $25 thousand and way up--- no way we could afford one of those. The new ones they had cost over $40 thousand.-DAN H. _ From: daa...@aol.com daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:11:48 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
Single arm lifts have their performance risks and most consumers don't realize this. It's not just the one less arm you sacrifice, but the wear on your vehicle when using a one arm lift, is one of the hidden factors with weight distribution on your van chassis. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 10:52:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, m...@charter.net writes: Great information! The only caveat to the dual armed lifts is that they block your way to park in the front passenger position (...if you don't drive). I've always used a single arm lift in the past. Now though, I just received a Permobil and there is no way it is strong enough for my total weight. So, here is a possibility that is in the beta stage: Slide-Away Lift, http://www.vantagemobility.com/products/ricon_lifts.aspx Mike~ -Original Message- From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:56 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Im a c7 quad and I drive a 2000 Safari mini van with a 4.3 v6 and a side entry lift. Learning how to park a side entry wheelchair van is a trick. Actually Ive found there is no full proof way to do it. If your not driving this isnt an issue which is a good thing. Full size vans with a lift are harder to find these days but have advantagesmore roomno ramp to go up...and are more durable after 100,000 miles. The minis get better gas mileage, are easier to drive and park and with the drop floor you can see out the window and get in parking garages and the car wash. The raised roof full size vans are a pain...painpain.you cant see anything when you ride, no parking garages or car washes. Either go with a mini or a full size dropped floor van. Also try to get a dual armed lift then you are good for 800 pounds. The single arm vangaters are good for maybe 600 pounds ron c7 --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair To: daa...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:31 AM Dana, i'm like you and don't drive either---We used to use a large full size dodge giant van that I bought cheap and made repairs on, it was huge and hard for my wife to drive, plus had an 8cylinder that used a lot of gas, it also had side entry lift and we always got blocked in at parking spots Now we got a 1995 chevy astro-mini van with a 6 cylinder and raised roof. It has a rear entry ricon lift and we never can get blocked in :-) . Me and wife both love it since she drives- I went to a van sales and tried loading on the mini vans that a quad can drive but man it was a tight fit for me too, plus they cost over $25 thousand and way up--- no way we could afford one of those. The new ones they had cost over $40 thousand.-DAN H. From: daa...@aol.com daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:11:48 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
I'm a c5-6 and drive from my powerchair. I have reduced effort braking and steering, and mechanical hand controls [MPD.] My first vehicle was a full size van ['84 Ford Econoline,] with a Ricon lift. After that I got a '90 Dodge Caravan minivan with a passenger-side ramp. And my current vehicle is a '06 Honda Element, with a passenger-side ramp. All of the vehicles had dropped floor conversions to accomodate my height. The full-size van was great for long trips, and the minivan was great for short trips. My Honda Element is the funnest to drive, and gets the best gas mileage of the three. The Honda conversion was done by Freedom Motors: http://www.fminow.com/?gclid=CK2l4ZGmnJwCFShRagod_FBPdg They also convert Scions, PT Cruisers and Toyota Siennas. Mobility technology has improved dramatically over the years and from vehicle to vehicle, but the more high-tech things become, the more difficult [and expensive] they are to repair or replace. The EZ Lock system seems to be the industry standard and is crash tested for saftey. With the side-entry vehicles I've learned to park 'defensively,' meaning park at the ends of rows or in spaces that prevent others from parking me in. Still, it happens from time to time, and that's a major source of frustration.
Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
huh? The Single arm lifts flex a great deal with these heavy chairs. I never knew aboutany chassis problems if they were installed correctly. The governemt has standards regarding single and dual post lifts for the consumer. If you want thegov't. info. contact www.nmeda.com they can direct you to it. Tom --- On Mon, 11/30/09, wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com wrote: From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:01 AM Single arm lifts have their performance risks and most consumers don't realize this. It's not just the one less arm you sacrifice, but the wear on your vehicle when using a one arm lift, is one of the hidden factors with weight distribution on your van chassis. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 10:52:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, m...@charter.net writes: Great information! The only caveat to the dual armed lifts is that they block your way to park in the front passenger position (...if you don't drive). I've always used a single arm lift in the past. Now though, I just received a Permobil and there is no way it is strong enough for my total weight. So, here is a possibility that is in the beta stage: Slide-Away Lift, http://www.vantagemobility.com/products/ricon_lifts.aspx Mike~ -Original Message- From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:56 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Im a c7 quad and I drive a 2000 Safari mini van with a 4.3 v6 and a side entry lift. Learning how to park a side entry wheelchair van is a trick. Actually Ive found there is no full proof way to do it. If your not driving this isnt an issue which is a good thing. Full size vans with a lift are harder to find these days but have advantagesmore roomno ramp to go up...and are more durable after 100,000 miles. The minis get better gas mileage, are easier to drive and park and with the drop floor you can see out the window and get in parking garages and the car wash. The raised roof full size vans are a pain...painpain.you cant see anything when you ride, no parking garages or car washes. Either go with a mini or a full size dropped floor van. Also try to get a dual armed lift then you are good for 800 pounds. The single arm vangaters are good for maybe 600 pounds ron c7 --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair To: daa...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:31 AM Dana, i'm like you and don't drive either---We used to use a large full size dodge giant van that I bought cheap and made repairs on, it was huge and hard for my wife to drive, plus had an 8cylinder that used a lot of gas, it also had side entry lift and we always got blocked in at parking spots Now we got a 1995 chevy astro-mini van with a 6 cylinder and raised roof. It has a rear entry ricon lift and we never can get blocked in :-) . Me and wife both love it since she drives- I went to a van sales and tried loading on the mini vans that a quad can drive but man it was a tight fit for me too, plus they cost over $25 thousand and way up--- no way we could afford one of those. The new ones they had cost over $40 thousand.-DAN H. From: daa...@aol.com daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:11:48 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a
[QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
Tom, the same applied to van chassis with lift buckets and its stress on the factory suspension system. Single arm lifts required helper leaf springs on the side suspension. This was normal for bucket trucks vans but rare don't on single arm lift system. And the problems it would cause on Ford's tie-rods. I'm sure that you can tell that I was never fond of single arm lifts, back then and even now. But that is just me. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 11:08:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, tecn...@sbcglobal.net writes: huh? The Single arm lifts flex a great deal with these heavy chairs. I never knew aboutany chassis problems if they were installed correctly. The governemt has standards regarding single and dual post lifts for the consumer. If you want thegov't. info. contact _www.nmeda.com_ (http://www.nmeda.com/) they can direct you to it. Tom --- On Mon, 11/30/09, wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com wrote: From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:01 AM Single arm lifts have their performance risks and most consumers don't realize this. It's not just the one less arm you sacrifice, but the wear on your vehicle when using a one arm lift, is one of the hidden factors with weight distribution on your van chassis. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 10:52:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, m...@charter.net writes: Great information! The only caveat to the dual armed lifts is that they block your way to park in the front passenger position (...if you don't drive). I've always used a single arm lift in the past. Now though, I just received a Permobil and there is no way it is strong enough for my total weight. So, here is a possibility that is in the beta stage: Slide-Away Lift, http://www.vantagemobility.com/products/ricon_lifts.aspx Mike~ -Original Message- From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:56 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Im a c7 quad and I drive a 2000 Safari mini van with a 4.3 v6 and a side entry lift. Learning how to park a side entry wheelchair van is a trick. Actually Ive found there is no full proof way to do it. If your not driving this isnt an issue which is a good thing. Full size vans with a lift are harder to find these days but have advantagesmore roomno ramp to go up...and are more durable after 100,000 miles. The minis get better gas mileage, are easier to drive and park and with the drop floor you can see out the window and get in parking garages and the car wash. The raised roof full size vans are a pain...painpain.you cant see anything when you ride, no parking garages or car washes. Either go with a mini or a full size dropped floor van. Also try to get a dual armed lift then you are good for 800 pounds. The single arm vangaters are good for maybe 600 pounds ron c7 --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair To: daa...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:31 AM Dana, i'm like you and don't drive either---We used to use a large full size dodge giant van that I bought cheap and made repairs on, it was huge and hard for my wife to drive, plus had an 8cylinder that used a lot of gas, it also had side entry lift and we always got blocked in at parking spots Now we got a 1995 chevy astro-mini van with a 6 cylinder and raised roof. It has a rear entry ricon lift and we never can get blocked in :-) . Me and wife both love it since she drives- I went to a van sales and tried loading on the mini vans that a quad can drive but man it was a tight fit for me too, plus they cost over $25 thousand and way up--- no way we could afford one of those. The new ones they had cost over $40 thousand.-DAN H. From: daa...@aol.com daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:11:48 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know
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yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach To: 'Eric W Rudd' ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
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Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach mailto:m...@charter.net To: 'Eric W Rudd' mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
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not at all, i go in frontwards come out frontwards. i'm in a front-wheel drive permobil. i think dave had some pix on his page if not i could take some Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach To: 'Eric W Rudd' ; Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach To: 'Eric W Rudd' ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
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http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/ Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach To: 'Eric W Rudd' ; Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach To: 'Eric W Rudd' ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
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Eric, Same thing happened to me.(got parked in at Creationfest 2009-over 100,000 people) I guy tried to move my van, fell down, sped out of control, almost ran over 100's of people into a brick wall but at last moment he grabbed my emc brake and stopped my van. he snapped my brake control though) i try to park every-which-way to avoid getting parked in. use to I even let my lift down, until some asshole ran over my lift making it un usable. the ass did a hit--run. i had to have a guy use a crowbar to bend my lift back in shape. i am on a mission to make sure there is proper accessible parking. Derrick W - Original Message - From: Eric W Rudd To: Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/ Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach To: 'Eric W Rudd' ; Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach To: 'Eric W Rudd' ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
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Some people drive thru red lights because they can... without fear. It probably happens hundreds of times a day in the big cities. Its no wonder that stupid people don't know how to park or don't care how they park or where to park. Some of those very people have H/C plates or Placards and feel the need to park on the stripes, because they feel they have the right. Can't change stupid. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 3:16:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, whe...@cvn.net writes: Eric, Same thing happened to me.(got parked in at Creationfest 2009-over 100,000 people) I guy tried to move my van, fell down, sped out of control, almost ran over 100's of people into a brick wall but at last moment he grabbed my emc brake and stopped my van. he snapped my brake control though) i try to park every-which-way to avoid getting parked in. use to I even let my lift down, until some asshole ran over my lift making it un usable. the ass did a hit--run. i had to have a guy use a crowbar to bend my lift back in shape. i am on a mission to make sure there is proper accessible parking. Derrick W - Original Message - From: _Eric W Rudd_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:Quad-List@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair _http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/) Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Mike Murach_ (mailto:m...@charter.net) To: _'Eric W Rudd'_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) ; _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:Quad-List@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Mike Murach_ (mailto:m...@charter.net) To: _'Eric W Rudd'_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) ; _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had _www.entervan.com_ (http://www.entervan.com/) for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _daa...@aol.com_ (mailto:daa...@aol.com) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with
[QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
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Thanks! -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:55 PM To: Quad-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/ Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach mailto:m...@charter.net To: 'Eric W Rudd' mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com ; Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach mailto:m...@charter.net To: 'Eric W Rudd' mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: daa...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
[QUAD-L] Parking in the lines
It seems to me that nearly every time I park out in a public lot like WalMart, Mc Donald's, Costco, wherever; if I dare to use a spot marked with a HC marker and a small hashed area next to it, someone parks half in the next space and half on the hash marks. I now carry my camera and capture the moment for posterity. The current rate for abusing these special HC parking spots starts at $124 and goes up from there. _http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/ocg/hcpark/index.html_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/ocg/hcpark/index.html) In a message dated 11/30/2009 2:29:47 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, wheelch...@aol.com writes: Some people drive thru red lights because they can... without fear. It probably happens hundreds of times a day in the big cities. Its no wonder that stupid people don't know how to park or don't care how they park or where to park. Some of those very people have H/C plates or Placards and feel the need to park on the stripes, because they feel they have the right. Can't change stupid. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 3:16:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, whe...@cvn.net writes: Eric, Same thing happened to me.(got parked in at Creationfest 2009-over 100,000 people) I guy tried to move my van, fell down, sped out of control, almost ran over 100's of people into a brick wall but at last moment he grabbed my emc brake and stopped my van. he snapped my brake control though) i try to park every-which-way to avoid getting parked in. use to I even let my lift down, until some asshole ran over my lift making it un usable. the ass did a hit--run. i had to have a guy use a crowbar to bend my lift back in shape. i am on a mission to make sure there is proper accessible parking. Derrick W - Original Message - From: _Eric W Rudd_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:Quad-List@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair _http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/) Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Mike Murach_ (mailto:m...@charter.net) To: _'Eric W Rudd'_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) ; _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:Quad-List@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Mike Murach_ (mailto:m...@charter.net) To: _'Eric W Rudd'_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) ; _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had _www.entervan.com_ (http://www.entervan.com/) for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _daa...@aol.com_ (mailto:daa...@aol.com) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the
Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
my wife crashed my van - into a brick wall - totaled. same method as here. azdave In a message dated 11/30/2009 2:16:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, whe...@cvn.net writes: Eric, Same thing happened to me.(got parked in at Creationfest 2009-over 100,000 people) I guy tried to move my van, fell down, sped out of control, almost ran over 100's of people into a brick wall but at last moment he grabbed my emc brake and stopped my van. he snapped my brake control though) i try to park every-which-way to avoid getting parked in. use to I even let my lift down, until some asshole ran over my lift making it un usable. the ass did a hit--run. i had to have a guy use a crowbar to bend my lift back in shape. i am on a mission to make sure there is proper accessible parking. Derrick W - Original Message - From: _Eric W Rudd_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:Quad-List@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair _http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/) Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Mike Murach_ (mailto:m...@charter.net) To: _'Eric W Rudd'_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) ; _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:Quad-List@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Mike Murach_ (mailto:m...@charter.net) To: _'Eric W Rudd'_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) ; _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had _www.entervan.com_ (http://www.entervan.com/) for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _daa...@aol.com_ (mailto:daa...@aol.com) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others that are better? I'd like to know others experiences with both size and what vehicle models you prefer in both sizes. I will probably not be getting a brand-new, because of the cost. I'd also like to know the durability and problems that you have experienced. Have any of you purchased a vehicle and then had it modified. I use pencils with rubber in my splints. I am not able to reach the switches to control the functions at all and I have much difficulty reaching the mode button. Do any of you have problems reaching the switches? I I could use the switches and the mode button on my older model. Recently I wrote about my wheelchair going dead. I found out from the technician there is a connection under the arm that is a design flaw that is not in my other chair that attaches and can easily become pulled out. I was told it has to be connected with electrical tape or twist ties to prevent this problem.. Thank you and I appreciate any ideas or suggestions any of you may be able to offer with any of my questions. Dana .
Re: [QUAD-L] Parking in the lines
I haven't been around for a while but had to respond to this. I lost my temper on a woman last week for making me wait outside of my van for her to walk back and move. She wasn't sorry and appeared to have no disability. when I said she should apologize, she said she didn't feel bad. I hope I embarrassed her. So I posted my deal on facebook and my friend gave me this link http://foxyurl.com/M6P. There are things you can print out and put on peoples cars. It's pretty humorous and to the point. Stacy From: hellodav...@aol.com hellodav...@aol.com To: Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:52:57 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Parking in the lines It seems to me that nearly every time I park out in a public lot like WalMart, Mc Donald's, Costco, wherever; if I dare to use a spot marked with a HC marker and a small hashed area next to it, someone parks half in the next space and half on the hash marks. I now carry my camera and capture the moment for posterity. The current rate for abusing these special HC parking spots starts at $124 and goes up from there. http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/ocg/hcpark/index.html In a message dated 11/30/2009 2:29:47 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, wheelch...@aol.com writes: Some people drive thru red lights because they can... without fear. It probably happens hundreds of times a day in the big cities. Its no wonder that stupid people don't know how to park or don't care how they park or where to park. Some of those very people have H/C plates or Placards and feel the need to park on the stripes, because they feel they have the right. Can't change stupid. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 3:16:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, whe...@cvn.net writes: Eric, Same thing happened to me.(got parked in at Creationfest 2009-over 100,000 people) I guy tried to move my van, fell down, sped out of control, almost ran over 100's of people into a brick wall but at last moment he grabbed my emc brake and stopped my van. he snapped my brake control though) i try to park every-which-way to avoid getting parked in. use to I even let my lift down, until some asshole ran over my lift making it un usable. the ass did a hit--run. i had to have a guy use a crowbar to bend my lift back in shape. i am on a mission to make sure there is proper accessible parking. Derrick W - Original Message - From: Eric W Rudd To: Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/dv/ Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Mike Murach To: 'Eric W Rudd' ; Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Is the quick right turn difficult to make? Or, do you back in? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair yes i sit up front no i don't get locked in. i have straps to secure the chair but don't use them, just use the seat belt. i've thought about getting an e-z lock but haven't. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From:Mike Murach To:'Eric W Rudd' ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Eric, do you sit up front? Do you have a lock down system? Mike~ -Original Message- From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair I have had www.entervan.com for years my next one will be the same. I too am in a permobil don't drive. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From:daa...@aol.com To:quad-list@eskimo.com Sent:Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM Subject:[QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the
Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair
I drive a full-size Ford E-150 modified with a Scott system, by Driving Systems, Inc., (dSi) in Anaheim, CA. (www.drivingsystems.com) It has some benefits that can overcome some of the obstacles to driving that some quads have. On the positive side: a) it truly IS built to fit the quad driver. dSi buys their vans from Ford with no steering system... then they install theirs to fit. b) the steering effort can be very close to zero-effort as can the push-pull gas-brake system, c) steering and gas/brake are done with the same hand (not quite like a joystick, but not not like one either), d) it is built to fit the driver and gas/brake/steering effort (force required) can be adjusted almost as needed, and e) it's mechanical and Electrical --- NOT Electronic -- so fewer failures and easier to fix! Machanical breaks are much easier for anyone to deal with. Electronic is usually a specialty to that particular system and only THEY can do the re-working or troubleshooting. Down sides: a) it's sensitive... sometimes too sensitive for AB Folk to feel confident with, b) it looks intimidating... like a regular driver might look and think, geez, it's like a cockpit, c) the two above make it hard to convince garages to work with it even though it's just a van, d) if it needs any major work on the system that can't be done at a local place, it has to either: 1) go to CA to be fixed (maybe you too to try it out!), or 2) one of the shop guys flies to you with his tools, stays at a motel and rents a do-it-yerself fix-it-up garage bay. (Either way can be both expensive and a paion in the butt inconvenience.) and finally e) unless an Able-Bodied person drives it on occasion to stay comfortable with it, YOU end up as the designated driver for every trip, long or short, no matter what the reason for driving is. (Makes long road trips tougher when you're the only driver and you have a weaker than normal arm, or shorter sitting tolerance. For me, it has most definitely been worth it though. Being able to drive has just opened SO MANY possibilities and led to such an amazing feeling of (and REAL) independence in certain areas of my life. I have always had a used van. These vans are mostly found in western states because there aren't places that deal with them anywhere except for the shop itself in Anaheim. So that means there are far fewer driving trainers familiar with it in the east, too. I bought my first from one from a guy in Phoenix in '94. That van was an '82 with awful gas mileage (like 7 mpg in town, 11-12 highway!). Two and a half years ago I got another... a 2001 this time. Much better! And I learned enough about how it worked that I could tell the guys at my local Gimp-Van Shop how to adjust it for me. (The first time I had to fly to CA and have the original guys do the work.) Now, any garage that has questions can call the guys in CA and they are happy to explain to anybody, free-of-charge, how to fix whatever the problem is -OR- how to figure out what the problem, is in the first place. So... that's all I can add. Good luck. Talk wiuth ya later! Best! --Tod - Original Message - From: wheelch...@aol.com To: daa...@aol.com ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] information about mini vans versus full size and wheelchair Hi Dana, The automotive industry, does not communicate with the mobility industry. It never has and I doubt it ever will as the mobility mass is not that big by comparison to its counterparts. As the automotive industry downsizes with smaller, more efficient vehicles, the mobility industry is making motorized mobility larger and more stable to meet and address government standards. And you are caught in the middle with fewer choices each production year. I don't see any major changes in this for the next couple of years as research and prototypes are expensive and must pay for themselves. Learning as much as you can about mobility and knowledge are your tools for survival. This applies to your mobility too. Quality may change with production years on some manufacturers. Also consider the service end of the problem. The closer you are to a mobility provider, the better your odds and lessens any risks. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/30/2009 9:12:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, daa...@aol.com writes: Hi Gang, What kind of vans do you use. I have always used a full size vehicle and I went to a united access location just to try out minivans during the summer. It seemed like there was so little room with my Permobile. My new chair has two wheels in front, which make the base a little longer. It was such a tight fit I was told that I would have to remove the front chair. I don't drive. Do any of you use the easy lock to secure your chair? are there others
