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The Blue Goose used to fly over lake Michigan years ago. They used a turbo prop - dual engine rattle box that shook like a bucket full of loose rivets when taking off. By the way in the middle of lake Mich, you can't see either side - those little 'puddle jumpers' are exciting for sure. Dave In a message dated 3/7/2007 2:26:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 3/7/2007 3:23:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I’ve been up those steep stairs into the plane many times. Prop jets are my favorite. Being carried on I am first on, last off, and carry that ROHO. Merrill Did you get the feeling that you were riding in a Volkswagon Beetle, with a 6 volt battery? I wonder what altitude they fly at. W AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at _AOL.com_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com) . Dave _Visit My Home Page_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/index.html) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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i would think a single lockdown 'area' close to the door wouldn't be out of the question. have they replaced the cardboard cockpit doors with steel yet??? another example of too hard, and costs too much. (like one ticket cross country) they have an excuse for everything. In a message dated 3/7/2007 2:40:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The isles in planes require a specific thin chair to get you on, AND HAVE STEWARDESS CALL AHEAD FOR ON THER! I am shouting because I once held up take-off an hour waiting to get off. The isle chair never showed up so two burley attendants fireman style carried me off. It was particularly embarrassing as the lifted me, my gas was left behind. All in all, redesigning jets and planes is not reasonable. These airport people really try hard. It is just not that often t accommodate a wheelchair. Merrill From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:15 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Check out Mobility Air Transport It's about time. I'd be willing to try this. I've always thought it was against ADA wishes for us to have to get out of our chairs to fly. If the buses tried to do that to us, they'd get sued. I wonder what the prices would be like. In the picture, did they just pick the whole chair up? I would think they would need a ramp... Sean former helicopter crewchief _Click here: Mobility Air Transport_ (http://www.emtlaser.com/mat/) AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at _AOL.com_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com) . Dave _Visit My Home Page_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/index.html) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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You are most correct, my friend. Those 12 passengers turbo props were so fun to ride thru the clouds rather than over them, lol. The co-pilot as packed your luggage in the back of the plane too. You have to be careful when going down the small aisle so that you didn't trip over the hump of the belly light. No food or drink service either. Also no partitions between the passenger and pilots compartment. You leaned out into the row and could see everything going on the radar system. And you didn't talk to the pilot as they were too busy. W In a message dated 3/8/2007 2:26:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Blue Goose used to fly over lake Michigan years ago. They used a turbo prop - dual engine rattle box that shook like a bucket full of loose rivets when taking off. By the way in the middle of lake Mich, you can't see either side - those little 'puddle jumpers' are exciting for sure. Dave BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Great ideas. are just that. Great ideas. I can't begin to see how anyone can stay in business using small prop'd planes, with 2-3 person crews, to fly that much weight from point A to B and stay in business. Granted, cutting corners may save some time and money, but at who's expense. These planes will be using private hangers at both large and small airports, then what does one do when they arrive. Ground transport may not be available in smaller populated areas and the money saved goes out the window... with the parachute. W In a message dated 3/7/2007 1:15:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's about time. I'd be willing to try this. I've always thought it was against ADA wishes for us to have to get out of our chairs to fly. If the buses tried to do that to us, they'd get sued. I wonder what the prices would be like. In the picture, did they just pick the whole chair up? I would think they would need a ramp... Sean former helicopter crewchief _Click here: Mobility Air Transport_ (http://www.emtlaser.com/mat/) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Aw W, don't be so negative! I'd rather be slightly inconvenienced and be able to stay in my chair while flying than do what the major airlines require of us quads. I've flown across this country 3 times and each time the experience was worse than the one before. I vowed I would never fly again rather than put my body and mind through such indignation. I think there's a real need for this type of service and there are a lot of us quads out there that would eagerly use this service - 'Build it and they will come'. Dan At 09:02 AM 3/7/2007 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something that elicited my response: Great ideas. are just that. Great ideas. I can't begin to see how anyone can stay in business using small prop'd planes, with 2-3 person crews, to fly that much weight from point A to B and stay in business. Granted, cutting corners may save some time and money, but at who's expense. These planes will be using private hangers at both large and small airports, then what does one do when they arrive. Ground transport may not be available in smaller populated areas and the money saved goes out the window... with the parachute. W In a message dated 3/7/2007 1:15:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's about time. I'd be willing to try this. I've always thought it was against ADA wishes for us to have to get out of our chairs to fly. If the buses tried to do that to us, they'd get sued. I wonder what the prices would be like. In the picture, did they just pick the whole chair up? I would think they would need a ramp... Sean former helicopter crewchief http://www.emtlaser.com/mat/Click here: Mobility Air Transport -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2EcomMailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from pr.atwola.com claiming to be http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2EcomAOL.com.
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When I went on my trip in November I flew from smaller airports. Ground transportation was all pre-arranged before travel. I hope they are able to succeed. I already contacted them about using them for a trip. They are not using small prop'd planes, they use turbo prop (jet) engine. Did you see the article the Royal Flying Doctor Service in Australia uses the same Pilatus PC-12 aircraft? At 06:02 AM 3/7/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great ideas. are just that. Great ideas. I can't begin to see how anyone can stay in business using small prop'd planes, with 2-3 person crews, to fly that much weight from point A to B and stay in business. Granted, cutting corners may save some time and money, but at who's expense. These planes will be using private hangers at both large and small airports, then what does one do when they arrive. Ground transport may not be available in smaller populated areas and the money saved goes out the window... with the parachute. W In a message dated 3/7/2007 1:15:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's about time. I'd be willing to try this. I've always thought it was against ADA wishes for us to have to get out of our chairs to fly. If the buses tried to do that to us, they'd get sued. I wonder what the prices would be like. In the picture, did they just pick the whole chair up? I would think they would need a ramp... Sean former helicopter crewchief http://www.emtlaser.com/mat/Click here: Mobility Air Transport -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2EcomAOL.com. Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org
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I've been up those steep stairs into the plane many times. Prop jets are my favorite. Being carried on I am first on, last off, and carry that ROHO. Merrill _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Check out Mobility Air Transport Great ideas. are just that. Great ideas. I can't begin to see how anyone can stay in business using small prop'd planes, with 2-3 person crews, to fly that much weight from point A to B and stay in business. Granted, cutting corners may save some time and money, but at who's expense. These planes will be using private hangers at both large and small airports, then what does one do when they arrive. Ground transport may not be available in smaller populated areas and the money saved goes out the window... with the parachute. W In a message dated 3/7/2007 1:15:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's about time. I'd be willing to try this. I've always thought it was against ADA wishes for us to have to get out of our chairs to fly. If the buses tried to do that to us, they'd get sued. I wonder what the prices would be like. In the picture, did they just pick the whole chair up? I would think they would need a ramp... Sean former helicopter crewchief Click here: Mobility Air Transport http://www.emtlaser.com/mat/ _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom AOL.com.
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In a message dated 3/7/2007 3:23:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I’ve been up those steep stairs into the plane many times. Prop jets are my favorite. Being carried on I am first on, last off, and carry that ROHO. Merrill Did you get the feeling that you were riding in a Volkswagon Beetle, with a 6 volt battery? I wonder what altitude they fly at. W BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Podunk, NE is not one of the proposed hub cites. :) http://maps.yourgmap.com/v/y_nz_MAT_Locations.html At 01:18 PM 3/7/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:07:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope they are able to succeed. I already contacted them about using them for a trip. They are not using small prop'd planes, they use turbo prop (jet) engine. Did you see the article the Royal Flying Doctor Service in Australia uses the same Pilatus PC-12 aircraft? Thanks for the update on information, Jim. I sure hope it works in this country too. I'm only concerned that someone will fly into Podunk, NE and think that a vehicle will be waiting for them. W Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org
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In a message dated 3/7/2007 11:46:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aw W, don't be so negative! I'd rather be slightly inconvenienced and be able to stay in my chair while flying than do what the major airlines require of us quads. I've flown across this country 3 times and each time the experience was worse than the one before. I vowed I would never fly again rather than put my body and mind through such indignation. I think there's a real need for this type of service and there are a lot of us quads out there that would eagerly use this service - 'Build it and they will come'. Dan Hey Dan, you are preaching to the choir on this subject. I want to remain completely positive on personal travel as I witness it almost daily. They new generation of wheelchair travelers often think that there is nothing they have to do exception make their reservations on the internet and everything will naturally fall into place. Most, well planned, air trips work out very well and I know several Quads that travel monthly on business. I'm sure that you and I will agree that planning is everything. Best Wishes W BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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The isles in planes require a specific thin chair to get you on, AND HAVE STEWARDESS CALL AHEAD FOR ON THER! I am shouting because I once held up take-off an hour waiting to get off. The isle chair never showed up so two burley attendants fireman style carried me off. It was particularly embarrassing as the lifted me, my gas was left behind. All in all, redesigning jets and planes is not reasonable. These airport people really try hard. It is just not that often t accommodate a wheelchair. Merrill _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:15 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Check out Mobility Air Transport It's about time. I'd be willing to try this. I've always thought it was against ADA wishes for us to have to get out of our chairs to fly. If the buses tried to do that to us, they'd get sued. I wonder what the prices would be like. In the picture, did they just pick the whole chair up? I would think they would need a ramp... Sean former helicopter crewchief Click http://www.emtlaser.com/mat/ here: Mobility Air Transport _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom AOL.com.
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My concerns are the human body and those that own them. I once had a friend who was left on a major plane for 2 hours, in the dark as he was forgotten. He earned a free flight back when the airline discovered their MISTAKE. Again, it pays to plan and have everything in writing before you leave. W In a message dated 3/7/2007 3:40:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The isles in planes require a specific thin chair to get you on, AND HAVE STEWARDESS CALL AHEAD FOR ON THER! I am shouting because I once held up take-off an hour waiting to get off. The isle chair never showed up so two burley attendants fireman style carried me off. It was particularly embarrassing as the lifted me, my gas was left behind. All in all, redesigning jets and planes is not reasonable. These airport people really try hard. It is just not that often t accommodate a wheelchair. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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In a message dated 3/7/2007 3:31:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Podunk, NE is not one of the proposed hub cites. :) Thanks Again, Jim. I have a client who owns 24-26 floating gambling casinos in North America and owns his own jet for traveling to his boats. He is also a C4/5, incomplete Quad. His closest boats to me are in Omaha, NE. Inspite of being a major employer in this area, he was refused the use of the local ADA Transport Van for a trip, (about 2 miles) from the airport to his boats, because he wasn't registered with the agency and needed 48 hour notice before they could provide service to him during normal business hours. This guy works late at night until the early hours of the morning. Over the years he has purchase vans for each location to transport him to his boats. Not everyone is fortunate to have his money. including, lol, me. This new air service will be a blessing to many like him when traveling on business. I'm hoping that Marcie Roth in Washington is made aware of this new service as she travels and advises others in her travels. W BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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That is why I always enjoy your postings, John. You are the real deal. Jets are designed to carry a load of weight. Mostly luggage and shipping containers. That's where the real money is. As an after thought came passenger service was considered. But in doing so the air industry realized that flyers wanted everything for nothing. Funny, but I haven't heard of any nightmares of chair users stuck in jets for 8-10 hours because of weather and no gate at arriving airports... yet. I also know several people that don't eat at fancy restaurants because of portion control servings. They will only eat at buffets, so that they can eat their weight and pay a fraction of the price as those high priced eateries with fancy names that you can't pronounce. Those buffets are no more accessible than the fancy restaurants, but Hey for the price and all the food, drinks and creme pies who cares (lol) Fly me to the moon and I'll see ya there! W In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:34:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, DeLiMiTeD4 writes: I rank flying up there with say, a root canal without anesthesia, or catching on fire. It is never a good experience and the best part about it is that nobody on the plane really wants to be on the plane. There is a sense that you're not being treated badly because you are handicapped, you're being treated badly because airlines are involved! BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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It's about time. I'd be willing to try this. I've always thought it was against ADA wishes for us to have to get out of our chairs to fly. If the buses tried to do that to us, they'd get sued. I wonder what the prices would be like. In the picture, did they just pick the whole chair up? I would think they would need a ramp... Sean former helicopter crewchief _Click here: Mobility Air Transport_ (http://www.emtlaser.com/mat/) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
