RE: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

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Excellent, thanks all for those very useful responses. I shall report back once 
I’ve decided what option to take. 

 

Best wishes

 

Matthew

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[Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

[mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group]

Hi all,

 

I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long time 
I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly 
underwhelming after using my modern car.

There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from some 
changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part seeming to 
be section 4.1.4: 
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/

 

If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or LED 
equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and will lead 
to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not compatible’).  But the part 
that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, seems to state that there is NOT an 
automatic failure if you have replaced the *entire* headlamp unit with an LED 
or HID alternative. I’m presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, 
or given an E number but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting 
answers – and imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass 
MOTs just fine without those markings from what I’ve read.

 

There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there so I 
was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone know a 
tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s entire 
original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be fascinated to 
hear what you picked and how it played out.

 

Hope you’re all having a great weekend.

 

Matthew

Q2-275

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: ULEZ compliant?

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My Q2+2 was registered as brand-new in 1997, by Old Quantum in Stourbridge, and 
used as the factory demonstrator vehicle until I bought it from them.

So I was hopeful that it might squeak through as ULEZ compliant because it’s 
considered by the DVLA to be so much younger than most of its brethren. But, 
sadly, that site says I’d have to pay the daily fee. So I lose every which way: 
I have to wait longer for the tax/mot exemption, and don’t get the younger-car 
ULEZ benefits either. Bah.

 

Best

 

Matthew

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Ken Needham
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 4:10 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: ULEZ compliant?

 

I am currently going through a DVLA issue that sort of relates to the point you 
are raising. I recently took my 1969 Lotus for an MOT  but the garage that has 
been MoTing the car for over 30 years now tells me that it failed on emissions. 
Due to a "Chassis" change in '78 the DVLA insisted it be re registered so it 
now has a T plate. The V5 does state "first registered as 1978 but also 
contains a note saying it was "first used in 1969"

The document that the MoT Tester is presented with simply states "First 
Registered date"
as 1978 so he tested it as a "78 car.

I see that the MoT Manual tabulates the emissions requirements as to when the 
vehicle was "first used" but pointing this out to the tester did not change his 
mind.

I have complained to the DVLA and await full outcome.

The vehicle VIN plate seems to be the item to settle any argument but the 
administration path is arduous and requires a certificate from the manufacturer 
showing when the vehicle was made based on the VIN.

Another gotchya is the need for an Mot  for vehicles over 40 years old. Kit 
cars threw a spanner in this aspect resulting in the DVLA coming out with a 
points scheme. To be listed as an Historic vehicle the vehicle must be made up 
of mainly original components. Any variation alters the points status and may 
subsequently require the vehicle to be MoTed. This is a very messy area and can 
result in very complex arguments 

 

Quantum 2+2 saloon  Q plate!

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:49:08 AM UTC+1 susanandmartin wrote:

Planning a trip to London in a modern tin box, we checked to see if the car is 
ULEZ compliant (no real surprise that it is)…. Just being curious I entered the 
Quantum registration number to find it was also compliant! This is a huge 
surprise, as it is a 1987 donor with a CVH engine and E-prefix registration 
number (albeit V5 says ‘first registered 2009’ when it was SVA’d). It would be 
interesting to find if other Quantums get the same result 

 

Check your vehicle (tfl.gov.uk) 
 

Martin Scott

 

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RE: [Quantum Owners] ULEZ compliant?

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My 2+2 was registered as brand new on a P plate, so I have to wait a very long 
time to get the historic vehicle exemption. And, boo, it says I have to pay the 
ULEZ charge too.

 

Matthew

 

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Of susanandmartin
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 11:58 AM
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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] ULEZ compliant?

 

I believe it’s not automatic if over 40, and only free if you ‘register’ it as 
such. My Rickman (free tax registered) doesn’t comply, but I guess I could be 
it if I wanted to.

Martin 

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

From: Darren Siepka  
Sent: 03 May 2023 11:32
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] ULEZ compliant?

 

No luck with my saloon , it's on a B plate (reg85 ?) I wonder if it's due to it 
being pre sva/iva?

My 2+2 won't check as it says it's sorned, but that would be free as it is over 
40 and tax exempt.


Darren 

 

On Wed, 3 May 2023, 10:49 susanandmartin, 
mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk> > wrote:

Planning a trip to London in a modern tin box, we checked to see if the car is 
ULEZ compliant (no real surprise that it is)…. Just being curious I entered the 
Quantum registration number to find it was also compliant! This is a huge 
surprise, as it is a 1987 donor with a CVH engine and E-prefix registration 
number (albeit V5 says ‘first registered 2009’ when it was SVA’d). It would be 
interesting to find if other Quantums get the same result 

 

Check your vehicle (tfl.gov.uk) 
 

Martin Scott

 

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Morning All

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Welcome!

 

Best wishes

 

Matthew

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Tony Hart
Sent: 06 October 2021 10:27 AM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Morning All

 

Just joined after some confusing IT issues.

 

Based in Camberley I have a 2+2 & a Stylus, previous kits being a Rickman soft 
top (X-flow - Pinto - injected Pinto - 1.8 Zetec), a Space Ranger (don't ask!) 
& a Fury (X-flow - the one from the Ranger, Zetec).

 

The 2+2 came with a 1.4CVH & was just about undrivable, but now has a 1.8 
Zetec, has been more or less re-wired & works OK albeit with  few problems 
still.

 

I have a blog at blatterbeast.blogspot.com if you're having trouble sleeping & 
the 2+2 stuff begins in Julyish last year.

 

So - HELLO!

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RE: [Quantum Owners] E10 petrol.

[mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group]

I’m told that the Super Unleaded fuel is still E5 so that’s an option if you 
can stomach the extra cost per litre.

 

But then I’ve been wondering if maybe my Q might prefer a younger engine rather 
than drink watered down E10 petrol. 

Having been very impressed with the one litre 125PS Ecoboost in my Focus, I’m 
thinking that might make a lot of sense. Anyone tried fitting one of those in a 
Q yet?

 

Best

 

Matthew

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RE: [Quantum Owners] "CANBUS" LED bulbs in older cars.

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Thanks for that, Jim.

 

I’d always had the vague nagging doubt that Canbus bulbs probably did their 
thing via resistance, rather than electronic cleverness – and therefore 
entirely negate the biggest benefit of LED bulbs.

I shall remove resistors with impunity on all my new LED bulbs. 

 

Matthew

 

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Sent: 08 July 2021 11:32 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] "CANBUS" LED bulbs in older cars.

 

Indeed, the problem is that that resistor is dissipating a lot of heat.

 

In a real bulb that heat is mostly dissipated though the glass and into the air 
around the bulb with very little conducted back into the connector via the thin 
wires inside the bulb.

A “CANBUS” LED bulb on the other hand has this extra resistor (or more than 1) 
mounted on a PCB, often right next to the connector and with thick copper 
tracks conducting heat back into the connector.

 

I’ve seen bulb holders overheated far more with LED bulbs than normal bulbs.

 

This extra resistor is only fitted to “CANBUS” compatible LED bulbs, just to 
make the LED bulb take extra current to fool the bulb failure monitoring system 
in some cars that otherwise would think the bulb has failed.

 

Now, the bulb monitoring system has absolutely nothing to do with CANBUS, there 
were bulb monitoring systems long before CANBUS, i’m pretty sure my Sierra had 
it.

CANBUS is a digital communications bus system that links different ECU’s in the 
car.

You can have a CANBUS system without bulb monitoring and bulb monitoring 
without CANBUS

I don’t know how LED bulbs with the extra resistor came to be called “CANBUS” 
compatible , probably some Chinese misunderstanding.

Even if you car does have bulb failure monitoring it’s only going to be on the 
exterior lighting, not the interior light or dash illumination.

 

So, for using CANBUS LED’s in a older car (or indeed any car that doesn’t have 
bulb failure monitoring) i always remove the extra resistors.

They are usually the largest ones and , right next to the connector and 
connected directly to it, there will be smaller resistors for limiting the 
current to the actual LED’s themselves.

 

As an example i just bought some T5 bulbs with 12 LEDS on them in total.

When i measure the current on a 12Volt supply they take 0.173 amps which using 
ohms law is 2 watts

Once i remove the 2 x 24 ohm resistors that are on there just to fool the bulb 
out systems, the current is only 0.073 amps, only 0.876 watts

The bulb will work exactly the same in a car without bulb monitoring, it just 
doesn’t waste a lot of energy as heat which will damage the connectors and also 
the LED’s themselves.

 

The situation is even worse on larger bulbs where the extra resistors have to 
draw enough current to fool the bulb failure system into thinking that a 21 
watt bulb is still there.

 

I appreciate not everybody is good with a soldering iron but you just need to 
heat up one end of the resistor with a blob of solder, once it melts move to 
the other end of the resistor, alternate a few times so both ends are molten at 
the same time and then the resistor should slide off.

There are quite often one on each side of the PCB. 

Or, you can carefully break up the resistors with a pair of wire cutters.

 

In the attached picture the resistors you want to remove are labelled 221  
(interestingly the picture from Amazon shows them as 221 = 22 ohms whereas the 
ones i received are 241 = 24 ohms)

One on each side.

 

If you have any bulbs and you aren’t sure which resistors are which , send me a 
picture.

 

Your bulb holders will thank you.

 

Rant over.

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ian Harrison 

Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:58 AM

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] "CANBUS" LED bulbs in older cars.

 

>From what I’ve seen, the only thing that makes them CANBUS compatible is a 
>built in resistor fooling the computer into thinking it has a working filament 
>bulb.

 

Ian

 

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 at 10:30, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info> > wrote:

Has anybody seen any articles on why you shouldn’t use “CANBUS” compatible LED 
bulbs in older cars.

Or, at least not without modifying them first.

 

If not i may write one.

 

Jim

 

 

 

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[Quantum Owners] Values

[mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group]

Having seen what a 58,000 mile 1989 Fiesta XR2 is now worth, I think we might 
all be undervaluing our Quantums. Hell, even just as a source of spare parts, 
our cars are now getting pretty valuable. We really do need to make sure that 
we remember that.

 

£20,250 is now the price to beat. 

 

https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/results/saturday-1st-sunday-2nd-may/1989-ford-fiesta-xr2/

 

Best

 

Matthew

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RE: [Quantum Owners] XR2 Master Cylinder Repair Kit

[mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group]

I think I may have identified the downside of choosing to trade in my old 2+2 
for the 2½ year old factory demonstrator, which had all the bells and whistles. 
At the time having a Quantum with a nearly-new registration number seemed like 
a great idea, compared with my old Q’s donor-era F plate. But that means I have 
to wait a whole extra decade to save on car tax. Bah.

 

Matthew

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of bill
Sent: 23 April 2021 12:08 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] XR2 Master Cylinder Repair Kit

 

Registered many years before they were first manufactured then  I think mot 
and tax exemption are both 40 years from first registration or manufacture 

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation

[mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group]

Hi Bill,

 

Many thanks for this reassurance.

 

My Q is absolutely fine further back – the patch is small, only at the front, 
and only visible on the outside. Next time I need to go somewhere I’ll take a 
picture, as the car’s parked tight up against the house right now. 

 

Thanks again.

 

Matthew

 

From: 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group  
Sent: 27 March 2021 8:21 AM
To: mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation

 

Matthew

 

Brown stain only at the front doesn't sound too threatening, much more 
important from a safety point of view is the area just forward of the 'B' 
pillar, where the seat belt attaches. Perhaps it will be sufficient in your 
case, to prevent further deterioration, to block the drain hole below the 
bottom of the 'A' pillar and temporarily fill the bottom with, say, thinned 
waxoyl. Capillary action should get it to the stained area. Also, coat inside 
the steel the full length of the sill with waxoyl (thinned by warming) using 
the pump and long tubes available for this sort of task. You'll need to drill a 
hole, say 20mm, into the sill as the two holes for the seat belt mount are too 
small.

 

John & Matthew

 

Brown staining on the fibreglass on the inside below the doors is one sign but 
a look inside is also necessary because if the member is rotting from the 
inside you won't see any staining until it has perforated. A borescope will 
reveal all 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inspection-Depstech-Waterproof-Borescope-Smartphone-Black/dp/B01NBFTAHE/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1
 
<https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inspection-Depstech-Waterproof-Borescope-Smartphone-Black/dp/B01NBFTAHE/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1=Borescope+Inspection+Camera=1616832893=8-5>
 =Borescope+Inspection+Camera=1616832893=8-5

 

Best regards
Bill 

Bill Allison
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National Observer (Cars)
07702 739474
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On Friday, 26 March 2021, 15:34:26 GMT, mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group 
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>Finally, check that no water has entered the sills. Poor fibreglass lay-up by 
>QSC at the front of the sill in front of the 'A' pillar led to me having to

>replace the metal sill - it had rotted away to nothing near the seat belt 
>attachment! 

>(https://quantumforum.proboards.com/thread/522/quantum-saloon-full-rebuild?page=2)

 

This sounds like a possible (and alarming) explanation for the brown patch 
under the gelcoat on my 2+2 below the door hinges in the sill. I've asked for a 
logon for the proboards to look at your link.

 

Matthew

 

 

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation

[mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group]

>Finally, check that no water has entered the sills. Poor fibreglass lay-up by 
>QSC at the front of the sill in front of the 'A' pillar led to me having to
>replace the metal sill - it had rotted away to nothing near the seat belt 
>attachment! 
>(https://quantumforum.proboards.com/thread/522/quantum-saloon-full-rebuild?page=2)

This sounds like a possible (and alarming) explanation for the brown patch 
under the gelcoat on my 2+2 below the door hinges in the sill. I've asked for a 
logon for the proboards to look at your link.

Matthew


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[Quantum Owners] Car cover recommendations?

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Hi all,

 

My Q2+2 has been temporarily banished from the garage and I’d like to find a 
car cover that’s a good fit, rather than a plastic tarp that’s already blown 
off the car several times since Christmas despite the use of multiple bungees. 
Rather than just take a punt online, do any of you have good reports of 
something that fits well, doesn’t do any damage, and stays on?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

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[Quantum Owners] Q Saloon seats

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Hi all,

 

I have a set of front seats, originally from a BMW E46 coupe, made of black 
leather and with electrical adjustment (they just need a live feed and an earth 
to work – but the memory function needs other BMW bits which I don’t have). I 
originally planned to fit them into my 2+2 but couldn’t get them to fit. 
However I’ve been told that they *will* fit the Quantum saloon. So on that 
basis does anyone here want them? If not they’ll be going on ebay. Any 
reasonable offer accepted.

I’m in West Oxfordshire, near to Witney.

Regards

 

Matthew

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