[qubes-users] 4.0rc3 Install w/ NVIDIA

[blake . sansom]

Hi all.  I just installed rc3 on my Alienware 15 R3.  Everything seemed to go 
okay, but when I rebooted following install, after Bios I just got a black 
screen with a blinking cursor.  I tried putting in my LUKS pw since I read that 
possibly the prompt just wasn’t showing but no go.  I also tried 3.2 and got 
the same result.  This laptop looks pretty good on the HCL, but my version is 
running a G-Sync display, so my understanding is the integrated graphics are 
completely unavailable and everything goes thru my NVIDIA 1060.

Any suggestions?  I’ve read the Qubes NVIDIA support but this problem seems a 
bit different than the scenarios described there.

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[qubes-users] Another common error I kept seeing while starting domains

[Kushal Das]

Hi,

This is another common error I found (many times) over the weeks on
4.0rc3 (and with every update after that). I am wondering if anyone
else saw this error and if there is any issue already opened for it?


$ qvm-start netvpn
Got empty response from qubesd. See journalctl in dom0 for details.


In the journalctl:

Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: unhandled exception while calling
src=b'dom0' meth=b'admin.vm.Start' dest=b'netvpn' arg=b''
len(untrusted_payload)=0
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/api/__init__.py", line 262, in
respond
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: untrusted_payload=untrusted_payload)
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/futures.py", line 381, in __iter__
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: yield self  # This tells Task
to wait for completion.
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/tasks.py", line 310, in _wakeup
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: future.result()
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/futures.py", line 294, in result
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: raise self._exception
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib64/python3.5/asyncio/tasks.py", line 240, in _step
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: result = coro.send(None)
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/api/admin.py", line 772, in
vm_start
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: yield from self.dest.start()
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 921, in
start
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: self.create_qdb_entries()
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/vm/qubesvm.py", line 1861, in
create_qdb_entries
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: self.fire_event('domain-qdb-create')
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/events.py", line 196, in
fire_event
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: pre_event=pre_event)
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/events.py", line 164, in
_fire_event
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: effect = func(self, event, **kwargs)
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]:   File
"/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubes/ext/services.py", line 40, in
on_domain_qdb_create
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: str(int(bool(value
Dec 29 09:54:07 dom0 qubesd[8089]: qubesdb.Error: (0, 'Error')

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[taii...@gmx.com]

On 12/28/2017 05:43 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:


Thx for the tip, yea might not worth the $70 to buy used, I'll keep an eye
out for RAM/CPU on eBay. BTW on the manual of the board, it says that I can
go with <4 or >4 RAM sticks but from what you said so far, it sounded like
I need to fill all the slots, is that necessary? I'm intending to get 8Gb a
stick to fill 64Gb. I don't think I need more than that.
You need two sticks per CPU for dual channel, four per CPU for quad 
channel (very slight performance improvement)

The life of board components is much shorter than

Hey I am curious are you from the middle east?

Yes, I'm originally from Lebanon, but I left a decade and half ago. I live now 
in the US.

Oh neat.
It is so sad whats happening in that area, so many people and so much 
cultural heritage sites gone just because of a difference in 
ideologymy I can't believe some people still think the black outfit 
scumbag unit just showed up out of a mirage in the desert like magic.

On 12/27/2017 02:49 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:

I have a 1U server and it's pretty loud, unusable as a Desktop machine,

are

the 4U also loud? Any suggetions on a specific case?


4U always is recommended as you can use larger fans, with decent fans
and running fancontrol or the OpenBMC firmware on the KCMA-D8 and
KGPE-D16 they are almost silent and one can watch a film without complaint.


Thx for the tip, I'll opt for OpenBMC in that case.
If you want this make sure your vendor is selling your the KGPE-D16 with 
the ASMB module so you don't have to buy it later, it should say it in 
the SKU title.


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 7:02 PM taii...@gmx.com  wrote:

> On 12/27/2017 04:50 PM, Marco Silva wrote:
>
> > Pretty much any server hardware will work fine, personally I'm running a
> Tyan S7050 motherboard with a couple of E5-2667 V2 CPU's and 64gb of
> samsung ddr 3 ecc ram a couple of ssd's in (fake) raid 0 and 2 AMD gpu's.
> Unless you're pretty paranoid I wouldn't go with really old and slow
> hardware. If you have a decent amount of ddr4 I would look for an AMD Ryzen.
> >
> >
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option
> >
> ME/PSP can't be disabled peroid - that article is inaccurate and the
> "disable" option simply shuts off part of the OS visibility of PSP (the
> PCI device)
> ME cleaner only nerfs ME, the companies like dell, system76 and the
> purism scammers are lying to make more money - ask anyone with serious
> firmware engineering skills it CANT be disabled bottom line.
>
> The Opteron 6386 is faster than your E5-2667 and it lacks the ME/PSP
> virus - it can also play new games at high settings in a VM via IOMMU-GFX.
>
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-2667+%40+2.90GHz
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Opteron+6386+SE
>
> If you weren't "pretty paranoid" aka security conscious you wouldn't be
> using qubes would you?
>
> The CIA created the term "paranoid" so that people could say "oh don't
> be a paranoid weirdo" - which was silly as there were so very many
> soviet spies back then so people should have been more paranoid.
>
> On 12/27/2017 04:29 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:48 AM taii...@gmx.com  wrote:
> >
> >> I would buy the RAM and CPU off of ebay, there is no reason to pay
> >> $80/ea for that ram or $172 for a 6380 ($100 on ebay) you could get a
> >> 6386SE for that price. (needs 140W cooler FYI) No reason to get the
> >> "protection plan" for anything either its a waste of money.
> >>
> >> The cheapest I found the 6380 on ebay is 129.95
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/372177489204 I found cheaper but with higher
> > shipping fee. I wasn't ablet to find a good/cheap 1600 DDR3 sticks. I did
> > find a cheaper board https://www.ebay.com/itm/13244721 I'll buy the
> > board for now and continue looking for the rest. Your help would be
> > appreciated, are you anywhere on irc?
> Don't buy a used board dude get a new one.
> All RAM is the pretty much the same FYI there are only so many OEM's the
> only difference is branding no more "good ram" or "bad cheap ram" these
> days, and when it comes to server RAM ECC will let you know of any
> issues before they cause trouble.


Thx for the tip, yea might not worth the $70 to buy used, I'll keep an eye
out for RAM/CPU on eBay. BTW on the manual of the board, it says that I can
go with <4 or >4 RAM sticks but from what you said so far, it sounded like
I need to fill all the slots, is that necessary? I'm intending to get 8Gb a
stick to fill 64Gb. I don't think I need more than that.


> I am not on IRC but as always you can email me personally for libre
> hardware buying advice.
>
Awesome, thx for the tip.

> Hey I am curious are you from the middle east?
>
> Yes, I'm originally from Lebanon, but I left a decade and half ago. I live
now in the US.

On 12/27/2017 02:49 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > I have a 1U server and it's pretty loud, unusable as a Desktop machine,
> are
> > the 4U also loud? Any suggetions on a specific case?
> >
> 4U always is recommended as you can use larger fans, with decent fans
> and running fancontrol or the OpenBMC firmware on the KCMA-D8 and
> KGPE-D16 they are almost silent and one can watch a film without complaint.
>

Thx for the tip, I'll opt for OpenBMC in that case.


> Coreboot doesn't do fan control so the fans are set at 100% thus one
> needs to either one of those.
>
> On 12/27/2017 09:05 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > I currently have an ASRock Z170 Pro4
> > and an
> > i7-6700k <
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559>
> > and I found it crashing from time to time for no particular reason, I
> might
> > give the AMD Ryzen
> > <
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113447_re=Threadripper-_-19-113-447-_-Product
> >
> > a chance but I'm not sure if it'll work better. I also have my eye out
> for
> > the 2018 XPS 15 laptop which will come with 6 cores CPU; I'm honestly bit
> > lost on what to choose for the best compatibility with Qubes. I prefer a
> > laptop (if it's strong enough but also has to be light) and I can go
> with a
> > Desktop if it would be the most compatible.
> A KGPE-D16/KCMA-D8 for a server/workstation, or a Lenovo G505S for a
> laptop would be the most compatible as they have a version of coreboot
> with open source hardware init any problems can easily be fixed. You can
> play games in a VM on all three via an attached graphics 

Re: [qubes-users] Re: WiFi usb adapter does not work (inconstantly 'iwlist wlan0 scan' works, NetworkManager does not)

['awokd' via qubes-users]

On Thu, December 28, 2017 2:40 pm, e...@hotmail.de wrote:
> SOLVED: Downgraded WPA_SUPPLICANT to version 2.5 (from 2.6). It seems to
> be a Fedora 25 issue.

You might want to try Fedora 26. I just learned 25 is End Of Life already!

You can get the template by:
sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-26


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[cooloutac]

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 12:59:53 AM UTC-5, tai...@gmx.com wrote:
> On 12/27/2017 11:05 PM, cooloutac wrote:
> 
> > sorry for the spam I don't mean to make fun.
> You only do that to yourself.
> 
> You are immature and you are going to get someone killed if you keep 
> this up.
> > Basically I can't see it being easier to exploit the ps/2 then usb.   For 
> > one how can you spoof a device?  And there is no other free ports, so can't 
> > have multiple devices.
> This is why I don't want you giving advice because you have absolutely 
> zero idea of what you are doing and you simply refuse to learn.
> 
> Someone in a third world country is going to get his disk password read 
> by the government hitmen in the basement of his apartment complex (read 
> the article I provided) and he is going to die because of all the 
> bullshit spun forth on this listserv, or (venezuela) his crypto-currency 
> will be stolen and he will be un-able to feed his family.
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/10/bitcoin-mining-is-big-business-in-venezuela-but-the-government-wants-to-shut-it-down/
> Why are you so naive? How can you not believe that this happens? People 
> are dying because they have poor security.
> > It seems to me you should be more worried about the actual keyboard you are 
> > using then what board you are connecting it to.
> Mine is made in the united states by a trustworthy company, and it 
> doesn't have re-writable memory as nearly every keyboard on the market does.
> 
> Money well spent as I will never have to purchase another one, already a 
> decade and a half old but it still looks good as new.
> >And then if we really want to get down to PARANOID.  They might as well 
> > put listening devices in there as well as recording all your keystrokes 
> > lol.  Maybe put a microscopic camera in your keyboard too.
> >
> > Who do you think is tapping the "ground wire" of your keyboard?   Is it the 
> > CIA?  hehe...
> This isn't about me - who lives in a safe and free western country - 
> this is about the people who you are giving dangerous advice to who for 
> all I know could be dissidents in one of the worlds less friendly places 
> to live.
> 
> On 12/27/2017 10:52 PM, cooloutac wrote:
> 
> > Just realized that you prefer to have mouse and kb on the same usb 
> > controller rather then using ps/2 port.
> There isn't anything wrong with that, both are critical input devices 
> and can do near equally as much damage.
> If you can't trust your keyboard and mouse you have already lost.
> 
> You seem to not have noticed that the developers mentioned a PS/2 
> internal *laptop* keyboard not a desktop keyboard (to avoid laptop USB 
> based attacks) - there is a large difference between the one in your 
> laptop and the one connected to a traditional port on a desktop the 
> protocol is the same but the physical characteristics of the cable are 
> different, most laptops lack a ground wire and one can simply unplug 
> from the wall if they do or obtain a ground removal plug.

Its nice though that you trust your usb keyboard cause it was made in a free 
western country.   What country is that again?   If you say the USA i'll have 
to start laughing...  Especially since you like to mention the CIA.

And you still haven't explained exactly what is done with the ground wire?  How 
is information obtained, or how is it used to take over your pc? Enlighten us 
all, because I can't even find the common sense.  It seems you aren't speaking 
from any real life or personal experience or even suspicions.   If i'm wrong 
i'd like to know why you think so,  without the name calling please, we could 
all benefit. 

If someone has government hitmen trying to kill them,  the last thing they 
should be doing is using a computer or going online.  That would be my advice.  
I wouldn't be trying to sell them hardware.  How do we know you are not a 
government spy?  :)

Are you stalking me from some crazy libre land?   

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Re: Mozilla (was: Re: [qubes-users] Password security/disposable vm security)

[cooloutac]

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 6:55:46 AM UTC-5, Tom Zander wrote:
> On Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:49:07 CET cooloutac wrote:
> > chrome doesn't have a good track record either.
> 
> Not to be confused with the project “Chromium” which is based on the open 
> source version of google-Chrome.
> 
> -- 
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> Blog: https://zander.github.io
> Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel

Even chromium has had black box issues in the past.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: amd gpu's

[cooloutac]

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, tai...@gmx.com wrote:
> On 12/28/2017 02:47 AM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> 
> > Not sure what you mean, Styles. Discrete GPU passthrough can be difficult
> > to set up, but your chances will be better with AMD than nvidia.
> Seconded, nvidia adds bugs to make it more difficult on "consumer" 
> hardware (ex: code 43 "error" on windows)

I use an nvidia 650 ti with Qubes and never had issues.   Its better then the 
intel integrated on another newer board I use. Meaning desktop effects and 
smoother performance and colors look better.  But thats all subjective I guess. 
   

I suggested getting a board with intel integrated because there is indeed less 
chance for incompatibility.  A good rule of thumb, in general, is if its newer 
then 2 years there is a chance for problems with linux, no matter the hardware. 
 Most drivers are made for windows first.  And linux lags slowly behind with 
support. Especially with hardware that is not very popular.

I wonder if mining would be worth it on Qubes since it would eat resources that 
could be otherwise allocated.  I also wouldn't use my Qubes machine as a server 
or for gaming,  I consider these also defeating the purpose of security.   My 
Qubes machine is simply a workstation for daily or sensitive tasks and 
transactions.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: amd gpu's

[taii...@gmx.com]

On 12/28/2017 02:47 AM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:


Not sure what you mean, Styles. Discrete GPU passthrough can be difficult
to set up, but your chances will be better with AMD than nvidia.
Seconded, nvidia adds bugs to make it more difficult on "consumer" 
hardware (ex: code 43 "error" on windows)


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Re: [qubes-users] Seamless mode and resize windows doesn't work in a new Windows HVM

[Adrian Rocha]

> 
> Are you sure the qubes tools are installed correctly in the new HVM? I
> remember it took me a few tries. Also, what happens if you clone the old
> one instead of building new? If the clone works, you could try
> reinstalling Windows Home inside it and see what happens.

Well, I tried to reinstall the qubes win tools several times. Maybe there is a 
bug in the new version of the qubes video driver. But I don't know how to 
obtain a previous version of qubes tools to test using a previous version of 
the qubes video driver.
About reinstalling Windows over a clone of my previous VM. I tried, but 
unfortunately Windows doesn't allow to install a Windows Home version over a 
Windows Ultimate.

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Re: [qubes-users] Install qubes version 3.2

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On Thu, December 28, 2017 3:50 pm, jean baptiste Morvan wrote:
> Hello,
> I have a big trouble, impossible to install this OS in my hard disk ? I'm
> obliged to stopped my test after the start of this from my key UBS ?? Can
> you explain the reason why it's a big trouble? thanks

The developers are working on a 3.2.1 build with some updated installer
components. Try again once that's out, or review some of the
troubleshooting documentation in http://qubes-os.org/doc.

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[qubes-users] Install qubes version 3.2

[jean baptiste Morvan]

Hello, 
I have a big trouble, impossible to install this OS in my hard disk ? I'm 
obliged to stopped my test after the start of this from my key UBS ?? Can you 
explain the reason why it's a big trouble? thanks 

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[qubes-users] Re: WiFi usb adapter does not work (inconstantly "iwlist wlan0 scan" works, NetworkManager does not)

[Edk]

SOLVED: Downgraded WPA_SUPPLICANT to version 2.5 (from 2.6). It seems to be a 
Fedora 25 issue.

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[qubes-users] Re: WiFi usb adapter does not work (inconstantly "iwlist wlan0 scan" works, NetworkManager does not)

[Edk]

I have checked the driver versions on Fedora-23 and Fedora-25, they are the 
same: v4.1.4_6773.20130222

Could this be a Fedora-25 issue?

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[qubes-users] Re: WiFi usb adapter does not work (inconstantly "iwlist wlan0 scan" works, NetworkManager does not)

[qubesuser02]

Hello,

I get it work with "sys-wifi" with TemplateVM fedora-23!

But next problem ist, that I need the newest Network Manager which I get with 
fedora 25.

Any clue, why it wifi usb works with fedora 23? 

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[qubes-users] Re: WiFi usb adapter does not work (inconstantly "iwlist wlan0 scan" works, NetworkManager does not)

[Edk]

Correction: I mean this instruction Video: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwbQ06h8Qo

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[qubes-users] Re: WiFi usb adapter does not work (inconstantly "iwlist wlan0 scan" works, NetworkManager does not)

[qubesuser02]

I do not get it work on sys-usb: Starting NetworkManager and nm-applet works, 
but the Network Interface doesn't Show up in ifconfig. Device reaction is the 
same: blinking LED.

I have followed this instructions, so the passthrough should work: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9Eic2jdBNM

But I don't know, why I expect problems.

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Re: [qubes-users] HCL - Dell XPS 15 9560

[Mike Keehan]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:18:24 -0800 (PST)
placeholderda...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Mike, 
> 
> I am having the same issue as you described. Attempting to install
> 3.2 or 4.0 on a usb and it fails to start X. On 3.2 it just straight
> fails to start, on 4.0 it starts but then goes into a 'soft lockup'
> and then crashes. Anything you specifically did to resolve the issue?
> My bios is the latest available from Dell (1.6.2 I believe).If i
> choose to 'test this install'  I can get to the sceeen where i see
> the qubes logo and the loading bar at the bottom but it just stays
> there forever and never does anything? 
> 

I had to add the option "modprobe.blacklist=nouveau" to the kernel
boot line in xen.cfg.

(I ended up binary editing the iso file before writing it to a usb
stick.  I think there is an easier way, but I couldn't figure it out).

Mike.

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Re: [qubes-users] WiFi usb adapter does not work (inconstantly 'iwlist wlan0 scan' works, NetworkManager does not)

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On Thu, December 28, 2017 1:16 am, qubesuser02 wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> My WiFi usb adapter does not work in my NetVM "sys-wifi" while driver is
> installed.
>
> Settings:
> - fresh Qubes 3.2 installation (+ recent updates)
> - TemplateVM Fedora 25 (+ recent updates, + dkms installed, + newest wifi
> driver for my device (https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu) installed -
> NetVM: "sys-wifi" (template Fedora 25) created and passed WiFi usb
> adapter through usb qube (sys-usb) to

Not sure you can use USB pass-through like that, but I don't have USB
wifi. What if you cancel the pass-through, enable the "NetworkManager"
service on sys-usb, then use that as your NetVM?


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Re: [qubes-users] Seamless mode and resize windows doesn't work in a new Windows HVM

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On Mon, December 25, 2017 4:23 pm, Adrian Rocha wrote:
> Hi people,
>
>
> I created a new Windows 7 HVM and installed the qubes tools, but the
> seamless mode doesn't work, and without the seamless mode option selected
> I can't resize or maximize the window.
> I have another Windows 7 HVM that I created several months ago and that is
> working fine in seamless mode or maximizing the window display without
> the seamless mode.
>
> I remember that when I created the previous HVM I didn't need the
> workaround about the cirrus display driver. Maybe something changed in
> Qubes since that installation.
> Another difference with this new HVM is the Windows 7 version:
> -Old HVM (where the seamless mode works fine): Windows 7 Ultimate (Spanish
> edition) -New HVM: Windows 7 Home Basic (Spanish edition)
>
>
> I compared the conf files of the HVMs and they have the same
> configuration, obviously at the exception of the disk file names and IP
> address.
>
> What could be the reason that this functionality isn't working in the new
> HVM?

Are you sure the qubes tools are installed correctly in the new HVM? I
remember it took me a few tries. Also, what happens if you clone the old
one instead of building new? If the clone works, you could try
reinstalling Windows Home inside it and see what happens.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Marco Silva]

Sorry man, I have to be a bit blunt here, while using google search is cool it 
gives you no real understanding of hardware, My cpu's are E5-2667 V2 these are 
ivy-bridge architecture 22NM 4GHZ 8 cores/16 threads. Not the ones you linked 
(E5-2667 - Sandy bridge - 32NM 6 cores/12 threads) for starters Passmark is 
really poor benchmarking resource, and even in that site that lousy AMD is 
10748 vs 10392 for the Intel six core cpu...imagine how bad it is really that 
cpu performance for desktop use...16 cores with same ipc of a raspberry pi :) 
They aren't even 16 cores it is 8 modules of 2 cores that share resources like 
FPU.


On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 3:02:05 AM UTC, tai...@gmx.com wrote:
> On 12/27/2017 04:50 PM, Marco Silva wrote:
> 
> > Pretty much any server hardware will work fine, personally I'm running a 
> > Tyan S7050 motherboard with a couple of E5-2667 V2 CPU's and 64gb of 
> > samsung ddr 3 ecc ram a couple of ssd's in (fake) raid 0 and 2 AMD gpu's. 
> > Unless you're pretty paranoid I wouldn't go with really old and slow 
> > hardware. If you have a decent amount of ddr4 I would look for an AMD Ryzen.
> >
> > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option
> >
> ME/PSP can't be disabled peroid - that article is inaccurate and the 
> "disable" option simply shuts off part of the OS visibility of PSP (the 
> PCI device)
> ME cleaner only nerfs ME, the companies like dell, system76 and the 
> purism scammers are lying to make more money - ask anyone with serious 
> firmware engineering skills it CANT be disabled bottom line.
> 
> The Opteron 6386 is faster than your E5-2667 and it lacks the ME/PSP 
> virus - it can also play new games at high settings in a VM via IOMMU-GFX.
> 
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-2667+%40+2.90GHz
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Opteron+6386+SE
> 
> If you weren't "pretty paranoid" aka security conscious you wouldn't be 
> using qubes would you?
> 
> The CIA created the term "paranoid" so that people could say "oh don't 
> be a paranoid weirdo" - which was silly as there were so very many 
> soviet spies back then so people should have been more paranoid.
> 
> On 12/27/2017 04:29 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:48 AM taii...@gmx.com  wrote:
> >
> >> I would buy the RAM and CPU off of ebay, there is no reason to pay
> >> $80/ea for that ram or $172 for a 6380 ($100 on ebay) you could get a
> >> 6386SE for that price. (needs 140W cooler FYI) No reason to get the
> >> "protection plan" for anything either its a waste of money.
> >>
> >> The cheapest I found the 6380 on ebay is 129.95
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/372177489204 I found cheaper but with higher
> > shipping fee. I wasn't ablet to find a good/cheap 1600 DDR3 sticks. I did
> > find a cheaper board https://www.ebay.com/itm/13244721 I'll buy the
> > board for now and continue looking for the rest. Your help would be
> > appreciated, are you anywhere on irc?
> Don't buy a used board dude get a new one.
> All RAM is the pretty much the same FYI there are only so many OEM's the 
> only difference is branding no more "good ram" or "bad cheap ram" these 
> days, and when it comes to server RAM ECC will let you know of any 
> issues before they cause trouble.
> 
> I am not on IRC but as always you can email me personally for libre 
> hardware buying advice.
> Hey I am curious are you from the middle east?
> 
> On 12/27/2017 02:49 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
> 
> > I have a 1U server and it's pretty loud, unusable as a Desktop machine, are
> > the 4U also loud? Any suggetions on a specific case?
> >
> 4U always is recommended as you can use larger fans, with decent fans 
> and running fancontrol or the OpenBMC firmware on the KCMA-D8 and 
> KGPE-D16 they are almost silent and one can watch a film without complaint.
> 
> Coreboot doesn't do fan control so the fans are set at 100% thus one 
> needs to either one of those.
> 
> On 12/27/2017 09:05 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
> 
> > I currently have an ASRock Z170 Pro4
> > and an
> > i7-6700k 
> > and I found it crashing from time to time for no particular reason, I might
> > give the AMD Ryzen
> > 
> > a chance but I'm not sure if it'll work better. I also have my eye out for
> > the 2018 XPS 15 laptop which will come with 6 cores CPU; I'm honestly bit
> > lost on what to choose for the best compatibility with Qubes. I prefer a
> > laptop (if it's strong enough but also has to be light) and I can go with a
> > Desktop if it would be the most compatible.
> A KGPE-D16/KCMA-D8 for a server/workstation, or a Lenovo G505S for a 
> laptop would be the most compatible as they have a version of coreboot 
> with open