Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
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On 2018-08-25 15:33, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 08/25/2018 03:59 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
>> On 2018-08-25 14:24, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
>>> On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote:
On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote:
> odindva0...@gmail.com:
>
>> I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn
>> connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me
>> AppVM
>> and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am
>> attaching picture of it so you can see it youself :
>> https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX .
>>
>
> Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM
> in older Qubes versions.
>
> Rusty
>
I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology
for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and
referring to
"network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best --
especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of
giving instructions on creating them.
>>>
>>> Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network
>>> ('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a
>>> bit of
>>> a mouthful.
>>>
>>
>> If I understand correctly, it's not merely a terminological change.
>> Rather, there is simply no longer such a thing as a "ProxyVM" in Qubes
>> 4.0, where a "ProxyVM" is understood to be a VM that has the inherent
>> property of proxying network access. Instead, "provides network" is a
>> switchable property can apply (or not) to *any* VM. You can flip the
>> switch on to make a VM play the role of a ProxyVM (and/or a NetVM?),
>> then switch it off again later, and it'll still be the same VM. At any
>> rate, that's what I gather from this comment from Marek:
>>
>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1763#issuecomment-188786341
>>
>
> Except VMs internally still use the proxyVM term in /var/run/qubes for
> example. Its how my VPN code makes decisions about where+what to run.
>
> I'd vote for adding (ProxyVM) in parentheses to the "provides network"
> label (not tooltip) in the create dialog.
>
In that case, I certainly agree. Calling it "provides network" is
clearly an attempt to accommodate new users who don't know what a
ProxyVM is, but there's no reason to confuse experienced users by
removing *all* mention of ProxyVM, when we can accommodate both groups
by simply calling it "provides network (ProxyVM)".
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Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
On 08/25/2018 03:59 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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On 2018-08-25 14:24, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote:
On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote:
odindva0...@gmail.com:
I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn
connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM
and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am
attaching picture of it so you can see it youself :
https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX .
Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM
in older Qubes versions.
Rusty
I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology
for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to
"network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best --
especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of
giving instructions on creating them.
Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network
('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a bit of
a mouthful.
If I understand correctly, it's not merely a terminological change.
Rather, there is simply no longer such a thing as a "ProxyVM" in Qubes
4.0, where a "ProxyVM" is understood to be a VM that has the inherent
property of proxying network access. Instead, "provides network" is a
switchable property can apply (or not) to *any* VM. You can flip the
switch on to make a VM play the role of a ProxyVM (and/or a NetVM?),
then switch it off again later, and it'll still be the same VM. At any
rate, that's what I gather from this comment from Marek:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1763#issuecomment-188786341
Except VMs internally still use the proxyVM term in /var/run/qubes for
example. Its how my VPN code makes decisions about where+what to run.
I'd vote for adding (ProxyVM) in parentheses to the "provides network"
label (not tooltip) in the create dialog.
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Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
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On 2018-08-25 14:24, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote:
>> On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote:
>>> odindva0...@gmail.com:
>>>
I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn
connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM
and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am
attaching picture of it so you can see it youself :
https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX .
>>>
>>> Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM
>>> in older Qubes versions.
>>>
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>
>> I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology
>> for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to
>> "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best --
>> especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of
>> giving instructions on creating them.
>
> Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network
> ('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a bit of
> a mouthful.
>
If I understand correctly, it's not merely a terminological change.
Rather, there is simply no longer such a thing as a "ProxyVM" in Qubes
4.0, where a "ProxyVM" is understood to be a VM that has the inherent
property of proxying network access. Instead, "provides network" is a
switchable property can apply (or not) to *any* VM. You can flip the
switch on to make a VM play the role of a ProxyVM (and/or a NetVM?),
then switch it off again later, and it'll still be the same VM. At any
rate, that's what I gather from this comment from Marek:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1763#issuecomment-188786341
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Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote:
>
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>>
>> odindva0...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn
>>> connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM
>>> and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am
>>> attaching picture of it so you can see it youself :
>>> https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX .
>>>
>>
>> Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM
>> in older Qubes versions.
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>
> I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology
> for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to
> "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best --
> especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of
> giving instructions on creating them.
Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network
('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a bit of
a mouthful.
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Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 odindva0...@gmail.com: I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM in older Qubes versions. Rusty I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best -- especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of giving instructions on creating them. -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/985ef3e7-895f-cd11-c5ba-1b74d210dbb5%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 8:36:19 PM UTC+2, Rusty Bird wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > odindva0...@gmail.com: > > I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn > > connection . > > But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and > > Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching > > picture of it so you can see it youself : > > https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . > > Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM > in older Qubes versions. > > Rusty > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJbgZ8sXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w > ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ4NEI1OUJDRkM2MkIxMjlGRTFCMDZEMDQ0 > NjlENzhGNDdBQUYyQURGAAoJEEadePR6ryrfaqwP/RLtbBETqXUmN+euKfYuJq8+ > pSuEOJ5K3fu3IJKdXxpmNpPQwgX8gnmWJiTP2KZZQWLGZhvh9yVplEVRzrekXFwu > jnqnhEaHMCdoeuzya3hz/Rc1Wn5dn/9lRqDyaJ86pQskHRoZwT3nV7rfCo71esAG > dFH5YNsXycnl+sap+N3oloG100b8ZwD6qc7mjwbYs3xH/tJTjtCkOF8i86OYYt8H > Tg1Z4UIyWP21cvbacY/7hcVnGSZ9HLXPCz33zv1pLL1UhOimKXuMzsbXlIEZPVcQ > ZUW9z5zC4r5hmDMy0DU8HqHqsYBVzeYUWwMEOyQSMTrxpDOJfWfxiZz+BUDPhcfW > PsfMMKknwR07e+d37dnbVu3qPDVRcjaQ4i5f1uoTu8HJzI+4XAuofgOvolKtR5p0 > EkrkkSl8fBDMANlVDTtEY/eTkquq5sy3q/ga0fbW35OvuMpO9kNC5cqzxetYxe1j > smHJYNyvfcf2B23Sn1sswSSAajPIzRHjkxnRfAWLGZsY4q+3eWh87YIU0GT73tkq > ubYtJ3vXznLbpBdjtH95/5sCUXN3D8S+/d3lxydP5hpRmVVi5TicWFI/iEPKRcsQ > jvz1ZeI+ZCLGMPIQk8lwt2LLyG3EhQxq8/Pths0HJi9F2ul3DDU0fo4/ilGRI3Rj > ETnUfqXw1xpxaT5RPB+G > =Ki9u > -END PGP SIGNATURE- Many thanks ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/a36d8131-7879-439a-b1bb-dd41d3bfbdd7%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 odindva0...@gmail.com: > I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection . > But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and > Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching > picture of it so you can see it youself : > https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM in older Qubes versions. Rusty -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJbgZ8sXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ4NEI1OUJDRkM2MkIxMjlGRTFCMDZEMDQ0 NjlENzhGNDdBQUYyQURGAAoJEEadePR6ryrfaqwP/RLtbBETqXUmN+euKfYuJq8+ pSuEOJ5K3fu3IJKdXxpmNpPQwgX8gnmWJiTP2KZZQWLGZhvh9yVplEVRzrekXFwu jnqnhEaHMCdoeuzya3hz/Rc1Wn5dn/9lRqDyaJ86pQskHRoZwT3nV7rfCo71esAG dFH5YNsXycnl+sap+N3oloG100b8ZwD6qc7mjwbYs3xH/tJTjtCkOF8i86OYYt8H Tg1Z4UIyWP21cvbacY/7hcVnGSZ9HLXPCz33zv1pLL1UhOimKXuMzsbXlIEZPVcQ ZUW9z5zC4r5hmDMy0DU8HqHqsYBVzeYUWwMEOyQSMTrxpDOJfWfxiZz+BUDPhcfW PsfMMKknwR07e+d37dnbVu3qPDVRcjaQ4i5f1uoTu8HJzI+4XAuofgOvolKtR5p0 EkrkkSl8fBDMANlVDTtEY/eTkquq5sy3q/ga0fbW35OvuMpO9kNC5cqzxetYxe1j smHJYNyvfcf2B23Sn1sswSSAajPIzRHjkxnRfAWLGZsY4q+3eWh87YIU0GT73tkq ubYtJ3vXznLbpBdjtH95/5sCUXN3D8S+/d3lxydP5hpRmVVi5TicWFI/iEPKRcsQ jvz1ZeI+ZCLGMPIQk8lwt2LLyG3EhQxq8/Pths0HJi9F2ul3DDU0fo4/ilGRI3Rj ETnUfqXw1xpxaT5RPB+G =Ki9u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180825182548.GA1101%40mutt. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
Hey guys , I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . If annyone can point me to what's wrong will be great. Much appreciated -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/6c70e6fb-8c78-4935-b22d-067196aa50db%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
