[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-11 Thread Marty
Clarification:

Seth said:

If you want to feel good about it- buy the bike by donating to
smiletrain.
You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly (8 - 12) kids get a
new smile, too.

Riv says:

Whatever you give, up to $300, we give you 75 percent of that in
Rivencredit...
So, you cant fund a bike with Smiles alone, but it's still a very
generous offer.

Mt deposit is in on a 62 Hunqapillar, and a donation to Smile Train
made the early adopterz deal even sweeter. Thanks Riv!

Marty

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[RBW] Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread Marty
Not mine.

http://tinyurl.com/yhl935y

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
 Clarification:

 Seth said:

 If you want to feel good about it- buy the bike by donating to
 smiletrain.
 You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly (8 - 12) kids get a
 new smile, too.

 Riv says:

 Whatever you give, up to $300, we give you 75 percent of that in
 Rivencredit...
 So, you cant fund a bike with Smiles alone, but it's still a very
 generous offer.

 Mt deposit is in on a 62 Hunqapillar, and a donation to Smile Train
 made the early adopterz deal even sweeter. Thanks Riv!


Interesting - there was something in there earlier about 'funding a
bike'. I don't think it was a $300 limit last week, but maybe I
misread it.

Thanks for clarifying it Marty.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:23 -0800, rcnute wrote:
 I just wish someone would make a decaleur for threadless stems (that
 mounted where the bars are clamped instead of the headset).

You mean, like this one?
http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/decaleur-for-ahead-style-stem.html
http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/close-up-of-modified-berthoud-decaleur.html



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[RBW] Re: Sugino XD cranks/chainring question

2010-02-11 Thread Mike
Bottom bracket was changed too. Went down to a 107 at Mark at
Rivendell recommendation.

Ray, see you at the Birkie this year?

On Feb 10, 6:00 pm, RayO lochm...@msn.com wrote:
 Mike,
 I did almost exactly the same thing with my Saluki.
 I have DT Silver shifters and there is no noticable
 difference between ramped/pinned vs. non-ramped/pinned
 when shifting.

 Don't forget to change the bottom bracket.
 When you go from a triple to a double you wont need all that spindle.
 (Unless you want the wider Q factor, that is)

 RayO

 On Feb 9, 6:22 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I'm in the process of changing out cranks on my Hilsen. I'll be
  switching from a Sugino triple to a Sugino compact double. The double
  has 48/34 rings but I think what I want is 46/34. My Rambouillet has a
  46t chainring on it that I might cannabalize but I'm thinking of just
  using the 46t ring off the triple. The 48t ring is clearly ramped and
  pinned. The 46t ring on the triple does not look ramped at all. Is
  that correct? It seemed to shift fine. I notice that the Sugino
  chainrings that Riv uses have no ramps or pins, are those the same
  as the chainrings that come on the crank?

  --mike

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[RBW] Re: What are you reading (was reading chairs)?

2010-02-11 Thread Tim McNamara

The Collected Songs of Cold Mountain (tr. by Red Pine)

Biographies of Ted Greene and Lenny Breau.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Sugino XD cranks/chainring question

2010-02-11 Thread Frederick, Steve
I've come to prefer a 10-tooth jump between chainrings but I didn't really 
understand why they seemed best.  Thanks much to Michael for 'splainin' it!  

Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI

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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:42 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Sugino XD cranks/chainring question


Here's a second to Michael's comments about 12 tooth difference vs 10
or 14.  I'll bet your triple has 46/36/26 or 24.  I'd be inclined to
ride the 48/34 combo before changing things.  Don't forget the other
end of the drive train when thinking about ring changes.  A 13-30 or
32 cluster would be nice with a compact double.  A 48 x 12 high gear
is pretty racy  perish the thought of anything with an 11.

dougP

On Feb 10, 6:28 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 Why 46/34 rather than 48/34?  If you lay out the ratios in a chart,
 you will quickly se that the 48/34 has more consistent jumps between
 gears with a simpler shifting pattern.  If you don't know how to lay
 this out, I can help you. A difference of 10 between rings
 consistently yields a single step on the cogs, and a difference of 14
 yields 2 clicks, but a difference of 12 is neither one nor the other.

 Personally, I find the ramps on chain rings way over rated.  These
 shifting aids have real value add on cogs, but I haven't experienced
 enough benefit on rings to go out of my may to buy them.

 Michael

 On Feb 9, 9:22 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I'm in the process of changing out cranks on my Hilsen. I'll be
  switching from a Sugino triple to a Sugino compact double. The double
  has 48/34 rings but I think what I want is 46/34. My Rambouillet has a
  46t chainring on it that I might cannabalize but I'm thinking of just
  using the 46t ring off the triple. The 48t ring is clearly ramped and
  pinned. The 46t ring on the triple does not look ramped at all. Is
  that correct? It seemed to shift fine. I notice that the Sugino
  chainrings that Riv uses have no ramps or pins, are those the same
  as the chainrings that come on the crank?

  --mike- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Any experience shellacking PowerGrips?

2010-02-11 Thread Beth H
Yes, the shellac can crack (because it doesn't really have any way to
seep into the synthetic material. We tried this on a friend's PG's
last year, a couple of very light coatings, and it wasn't horrible but
it wasn't great either. Next time we might fiddle with some kind of
rubberized paint-on substance instead. I'd say the light brown PG's
are fine by themselves, and the fakey argyle thing isn't so awful. --
Beth

On Feb 10, 10:11 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 The beige PowerGrips could use some darkening. Seems
 like cracking of the shellac could be an issue. What do y'all think?

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[RBW] Re: Any experience shellacking PowerGrips?

2010-02-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I started stocking the tan argyle power grips last year, mostly
because I thought they were novel and good for a laugh. Now the tan/
argyle outsells plain black by a large margin. Huh. Never tried
shellacking 'em though.

On Feb 11, 9:55 am, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Yes, the shellac can crack (because it doesn't really have any way to
 seep into the synthetic material. We tried this on a friend's PG's
 last year, a couple of very light coatings, and it wasn't horrible but
 it wasn't great either. Next time we might fiddle with some kind of
 rubberized paint-on substance instead. I'd say the light brown PG's
 are fine by themselves, and the fakey argyle thing isn't so awful. --
 Beth

 On Feb 10, 10:11 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:



  The beige PowerGrips could use some darkening. Seems
  like cracking of the shellac could be an issue. What do y'all think?

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[RBW] Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread Michael_S

I've seen the hullaballoo on the Hunqa and the Hiawatha news on the
next batch of Hillbornes ( caliper brakes) but no updates about the
next bike I am planning on getting.. the SimpleOne.

I've been building up Rivendell credits by donating to SmileTrain to
add to last year's 5% credit ( bought a Hillborne) and  I'm ready to
jump when that pre-buy offer comes through.

All I've seen is the Flickr pictures... they dark maroon/plum paint
looks great.. hope they keep it but no recent news... I need some
rumors or something, please Grant.

One question about the Sugino crank for you Quickbeam owners... are
the 40-32 rings on the lower two positions? and the guard in the big
ring position?  I have this beautiful unused Campagnolo Olympus
mountain crankset with 110 bcd that I would like to use, just need to
buy the right size rings.

Mikey
Sunny SoCal

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[RBW] 8-Speed Sturmey Archer Setup FS

2010-02-11 Thread Eric Norris
My experiment with a multi-speed Quickbeam has ended, and I'm switching back to 
my first love (fixed gear) and selling a complete 8-speed Sturmey Archer setup 
to convert your Quickbeam (or any other bike) to an internally geared machine.

Offered for sale is a Sturmey Archer 8-speed hub with a 25-tooth 1/8 cog, 
built up with DT spokes and a silver Velocity Aerohead rim (the rear-specific 
design with offset spoke holes for a stronger wheel).  Info on the hub is 
available here:  http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/sturmey-archer-hubs.html 

The wheel I'm selling is set up for 120mm spacing, but the hub can easily be 
adapted to fit dropout spacing of up to 135mm by adding more locknuts on the 
non-drive side (and re-centering the rim).  This setup will work with *any* 
Rivendell bike.

The wheel was built by Myke at Velo City in Winters, CA--my personal favorite 
wheelbuilder.  His wheels run strong and true (a 28h rear wheel he built for me 
has thousands of miles on it with nary a touch of a spoke wrench).

In place of the stock grip shifter (which I no longer have), I'm including the 
special bar-end shifter from J-tek Engineering.  It's a very nice setup that 
works perfectly and looks great on drop bars.  Info here:  
http://jtekengineering.com/jtek_bar-end_shifter.htm

I will also include an almost new SRAM 1/8 chain and the cable clamps needed 
to hold the shifter housing to the downtube.

Photos of the complete setup on my Quickbeam are here:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157622384321375/ 

Price is $400, including shipping.  Also included is my personal telephone tech 
support should you need it.  You'll get the complete instructions from Sturmey 
Archer and J-tek and the original packaging that came with the hub.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the setup--I just found that I like 
fixed-gear riding more.  As a longtime fixie rider, I've also been subject to 
incessant ribbing about going soft.  

--Eric
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino XD cranks/chainring question

2010-02-11 Thread Roy Yates
Michael wrote

A difference of 10 between rings consistently yields a single step on the
cogs, and a difference of 14 yields 2 clicks, but a difference of 12 is
neither one nor the other.

It seems to me that this depends on the gears in the rear cassette. For
example, for a Harris Cyclery 9 speed century special
13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30 cassette, the changing from a 36 to 46 ring
equals 2 steps on the rear cogs for cogs 15 and up.

In general, these gearing choices are really a personal preference.
What really matters is what you are trying to achieve. It seems to me
Michael likes the fact that the big ring in cog n provides roughly the same
gear as the small ring in cog n+2. I think what this means is that he likes
that in the high gears of the small ring or the lower gears of the big ring
provide him the gears he likes without needing a front shift.

On the other hand, this means that the big ring and small ring duplicate
several gears. Another's preference might be to choose the rings and rear
cassette to provide as many unique gears as possible. As I understand it,
this is the idea of a half step (say 52-47) front ring. Jumping down to the
small ring gives you a gear halfway between gears on the big ring. However,
you get that uniqueness only by making a lot of FD shifts. (Note a BQ
article last year  points out how electronic shifting could make this
convenient in the future.)

Lately, I've concluded my own personal preference is to use a triple so that
I can use narrower range in the rear cassette, and get closer gear ratios
with RD gear changes. But that's just feels good to me. Preferences will
vary depending on how you pedal and on what kind of hills you ride.

...Roy

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
 wrote:

 I've come to prefer a 10-tooth jump between chainrings but I didn't really
 understand why they seemed best.  Thanks much to Michael for 'splainin' it!

 Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI

 -Original Message-
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of doug peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:42 PM
 To: RBW Owners Bunch
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Sugino XD cranks/chainring question


 Here's a second to Michael's comments about 12 tooth difference vs 10
 or 14.  I'll bet your triple has 46/36/26 or 24.  I'd be inclined to
 ride the 48/34 combo before changing things.  Don't forget the other
 end of the drive train when thinking about ring changes.  A 13-30 or
 32 cluster would be nice with a compact double.  A 48 x 12 high gear
 is pretty racy  perish the thought of anything with an 11.

 dougP

 On Feb 10, 6:28 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
  Why 46/34 rather than 48/34?  If you lay out the ratios in a chart,
  you will quickly se that the 48/34 has more consistent jumps between
  gears with a simpler shifting pattern.  If you don't know how to lay
  this out, I can help you. A difference of 10 between rings
  consistently yields a single step on the cogs, and a difference of 14
  yields 2 clicks, but a difference of 12 is neither one nor the other.
 
  Personally, I find the ramps on chain rings way over rated.  These
  shifting aids have real value add on cogs, but I haven't experienced
  enough benefit on rings to go out of my may to buy them.
 
  Michael
 
  On Feb 9, 9:22 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   I'm in the process of changing out cranks on my Hilsen. I'll be
   switching from a Sugino triple to a Sugino compact double. The double
   has 48/34 rings but I think what I want is 46/34. My Rambouillet has a
   46t chainring on it that I might cannabalize but I'm thinking of just
   using the 46t ring off the triple. The 48t ring is clearly ramped and
   pinned. The 46t ring on the triple does not look ramped at all. Is
   that correct? It seemed to shift fine. I notice that the Sugino
   chainrings that Riv uses have no ramps or pins, are those the same
   as the chainrings that come on the crank?
 
   --mike- Hide quoted text -
 
  - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/11/10 8:21 AM, Michael_S at mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 One question about the Sugino crank for you Quickbeam owners... are
 the 40-32 rings on the lower two positions? and the guard in the big
 ring position?  I have this beautiful unused Campagnolo Olympus
 mountain crankset with 110 bcd that I would like to use, just need to
 buy the right size rings.

Yes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/296608912/

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Current Classics - Cross Bikes
Singlespeed - Working Bikes

Your Photos are needed! - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines


I thought the idea was to waste the rest of our lives together..
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[RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
The SimpleOne is on hold for now.

On Feb 11, 10:21 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 I've seen the hullaballoo on the Hunqa and the Hiawatha news on the
 next batch of Hillbornes ( caliper brakes) but no updates about the
 next bike I am planning on getting.. the SimpleOne.

 I've been building up Rivendell credits by donating to SmileTrain to
 add to last year's 5% credit ( bought a Hillborne) and  I'm ready to
 jump when that pre-buy offer comes through.

 All I've seen is the Flickr pictures... they dark maroon/plum paint
 looks great.. hope they keep it but no recent news... I need some
 rumors or something, please Grant.

 One question about the Sugino crank for you Quickbeam owners... are
 the 40-32 rings on the lower two positions? and the guard in the big
 ring position?  I have this beautiful unused Campagnolo Olympus
 mountain crankset with 110 bcd that I would like to use, just need to
 buy the right size rings.

 Mikey
 Sunny SoCal

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
 The SimpleOne is on hold for now.

Any word to why? Or is it just a limited resources/time-in-the-day
sort of thing?


-sv

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[RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Or is it just a limited resources/time-in-the-day sort of thing?

That's my understanding.


On Feb 11, 11:39 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

 thill@gmail.com wrote:
  The SimpleOne is on hold for now.

 Any word to why? Or is it just a limited resources/time-in-the-day
 sort of thing?

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread cm
 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

 thill@gmail.com wrote:
  The SimpleOne is on hold for now.

N

Cheers!
cm

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread Anne Paulson
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
 Not mine.

 http://tinyurl.com/yhl935y

A good price, if only one person bids. It's my size, too, but I can't
see the need for a third Atlantis.

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[RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I should clarify that I don't have any detailed information about day-
to-day operations or decisions at RBW. A recent email to dealers
suggested that the SimpleOne would most likely not be happening this
season. Will they be happening in 3 months or 6 months or a year? I
have no idea. I don't want anybody to infer anything specific from my
comments on the subject.

On Feb 11, 11:47 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
 Or is it just a limited resources/time-in-the-day sort of thing?

 That's my understanding.

 On Feb 11, 11:39 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

  thill@gmail.com wrote:
   The SimpleOne is on hold for now.

  Any word to why? Or is it just a limited resources/time-in-the-day
  sort of thing?

  -sv

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
 Not mine.

 http://tinyurl.com/yhl935y

 A good price, if only one person bids. It's my size, too, but I can't
 see the need for a third Atlantis.


Think of it as a belt-and-suspenders kind of thing:

primary atlantis
secondary atlantis
tertiary atlantis

gotta have 2 backups. :)
-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread Horace
Doh!! That was the best one!!

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 The SimpleOne is on hold for now.



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[RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread jpp
I have been surprised how fast Riv has been coming out with new
models.  Off the top of my head I think the past two years (ish) has
brought us the bomba, hillborne, foy and now hunqa and simpleone.
When I first started following riv it seemed like there were really
long gaps in between new models.  It is nice to see so much new stuff,
but cannot blame them for putting off the simpleone for a bit to focus
on other stuff.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread William Henderson
Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm
feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions:

- How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?)
- How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take
it off the bike each time I lock up?)
- How much water can it take?

wc.

On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
 BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
 didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

 Anyone order one yet?

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread Greg
I used to have the Carradice Boxy Bag (which I regret selling), which
used the same Nitto mount, so I can comment on the second question.

To take it off, you would need to unscrew the 2 buttonhead allen bolts
at the front of the rack, then slide the bag off.  But I found the
allen bolts to be basically unnecessary.  They are there to prevent
the bag from slipping off the front, but the fit is such that the bag
is not likely to completely slide off without you noticing.  So you
could leave off the bolts for easy removal.  Alternatively, you could
find different bolts -- such as wing bolts -- which would be easier
to unscrew.  It is a standard metric thread, maybe an 8M.

Greg

On Feb 11, 10:47 am, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm
 feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions:

 - How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?)
 - How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take
 it off the bike each time I lock up?)
 - How much water can it take?

 wc.

 On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
  BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
  didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

  Anyone order one yet?

  --mike

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[RBW] WTB: 7mm to 9mm 26.0 stem

2010-02-11 Thread Beardpapa
I'm looking for a 7mm to 9mm 26.0 stem.  Let me know if you have one
lying around.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

2010-02-11 Thread jinxed
So there have been several recent threads I have been following with
interest. They are all revolving around questions I have regarding my
Bombadil. Canti vs. side pull, 26 vs. 650b vs. 700, and the subtle
shades of Rivendell models, ie: bikes like the Hunq and Sam falling in
between other existing models.

My first Rivendell happened to be my first 650b as well with the
purchase of my Bleriot. I fell in love with it instantly. It became
the only bike I rode. Then having a whetted appetite for Riv designs I
wanted to expand with an off road specific bike and debated between
the Bombadil, and Atlantis ultimately deciding on the Bombadil.

My hope was that I had chosen a bike that had different capabilities
than the Bleriot to compliment it. I am finding that other than the
difference in handlebars position, the bikes are extremely close in
capability for me. This is where the wheel size is coming into play.
After riding some similar lugged/rigid 26 wheeled bikes back to back
with my Bomba, I find I prefer the 26 while riding technical rocky
terrain. Most likely because that is what I have been mountain biking
on for 20 years. It's not that I do not like the Bomba, but I feel the
2 Riv's I have are sort of redundant in the terrain I am comfortable
riding them in. The thread regarding canti bikes had me thinking that
if the Bleriot had cantis and just a little knobbier tire option than
the fatty rumpkins...the Bomba would have never been bought.

This has me questioning my keeping the Bombadil or at least how I have
it set up. So I have been considering swapping it to drop bars,
narrower tires, and using it for longer rides where I am carrying my
panniers to go camping, but only on groomed mixed terrain, dirt roads
etc. Then finding a 26 wheeled bike for the MTB use, and leave my
Bleriot as is because I love it as my go to bike.

In the midst of this mental acrobatics, I completely stumbled on a 26
wheeled xo-3 and became the new owner. So now I truly have 3 bikes in
very close relation.

I realize many of the members here are multiple Riv bike owners, and I
am wondering how you diversify their use? They all seem so very
closely capable with new models coming to fill seemingly narrow
gaps.

All this boils down to me considering a trade on the Bomba for
something of the same level but in a canti version 700c. Canti
Romulus? A true all-rounder?

Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread rcnute
That's a looker, all right!

Ryan

On Feb 11, 9:53 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
  Not mine.

 http://tinyurl.com/yhl935y

  A good price, if only one person bids. It's my size, too, but I can't
  see the need for a third Atlantis.

 Think of it as a belt-and-suspenders kind of thing:

 primary atlantis
 secondary atlantis
 tertiary atlantis

 gotta have 2 backups. :)
 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread rcnute
That would be perfect.

On Feb 11, 5:30 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:23 -0800, rcnute wrote:
  I just wish someone would make a decaleur for threadless stems (that
  mounted where the bars are clamped instead of the headset).

 You mean, like this 
 one?http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/decaleur-for-ahead-style-stem.htmlhttp://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/close-up-of-modified-berthoud-d...

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[RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread Michael_S
thanks ( I think)  for the 411. I am ok with 3 months or maybe 6
months as I have two other bikes to finish kits and build ( and ride)
but I really would like the SimpleOne to fill that niche.  I had
bought and built a Cotic Roadrat but I wasn't happy with ride. I sold
it and now need to backfill.

 Unfortunately there was a 58 Quickbeam that showed on the Riv site
last week. I went back 3 hrs later and it was gone. I was thinking I
could wait for SimpleOne but now boohoo

I was also secretly thinking that the squeaky wheel gets the grease if
you know what I mean.

Mikey
SoCal

On Feb 11, 10:03 am, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote:
 I have been surprised how fast Riv has been coming out with new
 models.  Off the top of my head I think the past two years (ish) has
 brought us the bomba, hillborne, foy and now hunqa and simpleone.
 When I first started following riv it seemed like there were really
 long gaps in between new models.  It is nice to see so much new stuff,
 but cannot blame them for putting off the simpleone for a bit to focus
 on other stuff.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread Beth
Or as my friend, Greayer says, I need a back-up for my back-up!

On Feb 11, 9:53 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
  Not mine.

 http://tinyurl.com/yhl935y

  A good price, if only one person bids. It's my size, too, but I can't
  see the need for a third Atlantis.

 Think of it as a belt-and-suspenders kind of thing:

 primary atlantis
 secondary atlantis
 tertiary atlantis

 gotta have 2 backups. :)
 -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Or as my friend, Greayer says, I need a back-up for my back-up!


Store the second one offsite in a fire-proof safe.

:)
-sv

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[RBW] Re: 8-Speed Sturmey Archer Setup FS

2010-02-11 Thread Paul
You thinking about picking up the new S3X fixie three speed?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 8-Speed Sturmey Archer Setup FS

2010-02-11 Thread Robert F. Harrison
I like coasting so I'm unlikely to go fixed anytime soon, but I do love
single speeds. But I noticed that besides the S3X there going to be a 2
speed hub (with coaster brake) coming out in the near future. That might be
fun to play with.

http://thebikeshow.net/fixie-killer-sturmey-archer-s2c/

Aloha!

http://thebikeshow.net/fixie-killer-sturmey-archer-s2c/

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 You thinking about picking up the new S3X fixie three speed?

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[RBW] Re: Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

2010-02-11 Thread Dave Craig
I have a couple of Riv bikes that are pretty close in purpose - a
Bombadil and an Atlantis. When I walk into the garage, I sometimes
wonder whether I should sell one or the other. That feeling disappears
when I ride them. The 60cm Bombadil is set up for riding off road and
I've got a spare set of wheels/tires for touring. I've got it set up
currently with flat bars and barends, though I've toured on it with
noodle bars. Next summer, just for kicks, I'm going try drop bar ends
on the flat bars as my touring set up. My 64cm Atlantis is set up for
road with noodle bars, Jack Brown tires and (relatively) lighter 32
spoke rims - no fenders and no racks - it's a pretty decent road bike
that still allows me to ride our local loops that include dirt roads.
Having done long, self-contained tours on both bikes, my preference
for loaded touring is the Bombadil, so it wears a Tubus Cargo rack
full time and I've got a front rack and fenders that I can quickly
add. I now use my Atlantis for all of my long day rides, not including
the times when I'm heading out the door with the intention of riding
single track and dirt roads - for that I use the Bombadil.

Even though these two bikes are pretty close to interchangeable in the
RBW line, they fill much different roles in my cycling life. The key
for me has been setting them up very differently. I suppose if I
didn't actually tour every summer and if I was still into riding
aggressively on single track, I would probably sell the Bombadil in
favor of a dedicated MTB. The Atlantis is really fine for everything
else. Sometimes, because I have the Bombadil, I think I might trade
the Atlantis for a Hilsen . . . but it's such a versatile bike (more
so than the Hilsen) and if I ever really had to downsize, the Atlantis
is the one bike I would want.

I do have another couple of bikes that see regular use as my
commuters: a Surly Big Dummy and a Riv Quickbeam. I've finally reached
the point where my bikes are the default and my car sits for weeks at
a time, so these two bikes get a lot of use. Both are set up with
lights, fenders and racks. When I have lots to carry, the BD goes to
work. Otherwise, I ride the QB. If I lived somewhere flat, I'd
probably rig the QB with a trailer and use it exclusively.

Isn't it wonderful that we are fortunate enough to have these kinds of
choices in life?


Dave


On Feb 11, 12:26 pm, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 So there have been several recent threads I have been following with
 interest. They are all revolving around questions I have regarding my
 Bombadil. Canti vs. side pull, 26 vs. 650b vs. 700, and the subtle
 shades of Rivendell models, ie: bikes like the Hunq and Sam falling in
 between other existing models.

 My first Rivendell happened to be my first 650b as well with the
 purchase of my Bleriot. I fell in love with it instantly. It became
 the only bike I rode. Then having a whetted appetite for Riv designs I
 wanted to expand with an off road specific bike and debated between
 the Bombadil, and Atlantis ultimately deciding on the Bombadil.

 My hope was that I had chosen a bike that had different capabilities
 than the Bleriot to compliment it. I am finding that other than the
 difference in handlebars position, the bikes are extremely close in
 capability for me. This is where the wheel size is coming into play.
 After riding some similar lugged/rigid 26 wheeled bikes back to back
 with my Bomba, I find I prefer the 26 while riding technical rocky
 terrain. Most likely because that is what I have been mountain biking
 on for 20 years. It's not that I do not like the Bomba, but I feel the
 2 Riv's I have are sort of redundant in the terrain I am comfortable
 riding them in. The thread regarding canti bikes had me thinking that
 if the Bleriot had cantis and just a little knobbier tire option than
 the fatty rumpkins...the Bomba would have never been bought.

 This has me questioning my keeping the Bombadil or at least how I have
 it set up. So I have been considering swapping it to drop bars,
 narrower tires, and using it for longer rides where I am carrying my
 panniers to go camping, but only on groomed mixed terrain, dirt roads
 etc. Then finding a 26 wheeled bike for the MTB use, and leave my
 Bleriot as is because I love it as my go to bike.

 In the midst of this mental acrobatics, I completely stumbled on a 26
 wheeled xo-3 and became the new owner. So now I truly have 3 bikes in
 very close relation.

 I realize many of the members here are multiple Riv bike owners, and I
 am wondering how you diversify their use? They all seem so very
 closely capable with new models coming to fill seemingly narrow
 gaps.

 All this boils down to me considering a trade on the Bomba for
 something of the same level but in a canti version 700c. Canti
 Romulus? A true all-rounder?

 Thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 8-Speed Sturmey Archer Setup FS

2010-02-11 Thread Eric Norris
I want to see one in action first.  From what I've read, the drivetrain has a 
bit of lag in it--if you put less pressure on the pedals, the feedback from the 
bike is not immediate.  I'm concerned that it therefore won't have a true 
fixie feel, so I'd like to ride one before I commit.

--Eric
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 You thinking about picking up the new S3X fixie three speed?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino XD cranks/chainring question

2010-02-11 Thread Rene Sterental
Finally I got it!

René

On 2/11/10, Roy Yates roydya...@gmail.com wrote:
 Michael wrote

 A difference of 10 between rings consistently yields a single step on the
 cogs, and a difference of 14 yields 2 clicks, but a difference of 12 is
 neither one nor the other.

 It seems to me that this depends on the gears in the rear cassette. For
 example, for a Harris Cyclery 9 speed century special
 13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30 cassette, the changing from a 36 to 46 ring
 equals 2 steps on the rear cogs for cogs 15 and up.

 In general, these gearing choices are really a personal preference.
 What really matters is what you are trying to achieve. It seems to me
 Michael likes the fact that the big ring in cog n provides roughly the same
 gear as the small ring in cog n+2. I think what this means is that he likes
 that in the high gears of the small ring or the lower gears of the big ring
 provide him the gears he likes without needing a front shift.

 On the other hand, this means that the big ring and small ring duplicate
 several gears. Another's preference might be to choose the rings and rear
 cassette to provide as many unique gears as possible. As I understand it,
 this is the idea of a half step (say 52-47) front ring. Jumping down to the
 small ring gives you a gear halfway between gears on the big ring. However,
 you get that uniqueness only by making a lot of FD shifts. (Note a BQ
 article last year  points out how electronic shifting could make this
 convenient in the future.)

 Lately, I've concluded my own personal preference is to use a triple so that
 I can use narrower range in the rear cassette, and get closer gear ratios
 with RD gear changes. But that's just feels good to me. Preferences will
 vary depending on how you pedal and on what kind of hills you ride.

 ...Roy

 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
 wrote:

 I've come to prefer a 10-tooth jump between chainrings but I didn't really
 understand why they seemed best.  Thanks much to Michael for 'splainin'
 it!

 Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI

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 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of doug peterson
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:42 PM
 To: RBW Owners Bunch
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Sugino XD cranks/chainring question


 Here's a second to Michael's comments about 12 tooth difference vs 10
 or 14.  I'll bet your triple has 46/36/26 or 24.  I'd be inclined to
 ride the 48/34 combo before changing things.  Don't forget the other
 end of the drive train when thinking about ring changes.  A 13-30 or
 32 cluster would be nice with a compact double.  A 48 x 12 high gear
 is pretty racy  perish the thought of anything with an 11.

 dougP

 On Feb 10, 6:28 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
  Why 46/34 rather than 48/34?  If you lay out the ratios in a chart,
  you will quickly se that the 48/34 has more consistent jumps between
  gears with a simpler shifting pattern.  If you don't know how to lay
  this out, I can help you. A difference of 10 between rings
  consistently yields a single step on the cogs, and a difference of 14
  yields 2 clicks, but a difference of 12 is neither one nor the other.
 
  Personally, I find the ramps on chain rings way over rated.  These
  shifting aids have real value add on cogs, but I haven't experienced
  enough benefit on rings to go out of my may to buy them.
 
  Michael
 
  On Feb 9, 9:22 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   I'm in the process of changing out cranks on my Hilsen. I'll be
   switching from a Sugino triple to a Sugino compact double. The double
   has 48/34 rings but I think what I want is 46/34. My Rambouillet has a
   46t chainring on it that I might cannabalize but I'm thinking of just
   using the 46t ring off the triple. The 48t ring is clearly ramped and
   pinned. The 46t ring on the triple does not look ramped at all. Is
   that correct? It seemed to shift fine. I notice that the Sugino
   chainrings that Riv uses have no ramps or pins, are those the same
   as the chainrings that come on the crank?
 
   --mike- Hide quoted text -
 
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[RBW] Re: Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

2010-02-11 Thread rcnute
If I had a Bombadil I'd keep it!

Ryan

On Feb 11, 11:26 am, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 So there have been several recent threads I have been following with
 interest. They are all revolving around questions I have regarding my
 Bombadil. Canti vs. side pull, 26 vs. 650b vs. 700, and the subtle
 shades of Rivendell models, ie: bikes like the Hunq and Sam falling in
 between other existing models.

 My first Rivendell happened to be my first 650b as well with the
 purchase of my Bleriot. I fell in love with it instantly. It became
 the only bike I rode. Then having a whetted appetite for Riv designs I
 wanted to expand with an off road specific bike and debated between
 the Bombadil, and Atlantis ultimately deciding on the Bombadil.

 My hope was that I had chosen a bike that had different capabilities
 than the Bleriot to compliment it. I am finding that other than the
 difference in handlebars position, the bikes are extremely close in
 capability for me. This is where the wheel size is coming into play.
 After riding some similar lugged/rigid 26 wheeled bikes back to back
 with my Bomba, I find I prefer the 26 while riding technical rocky
 terrain. Most likely because that is what I have been mountain biking
 on for 20 years. It's not that I do not like the Bomba, but I feel the
 2 Riv's I have are sort of redundant in the terrain I am comfortable
 riding them in. The thread regarding canti bikes had me thinking that
 if the Bleriot had cantis and just a little knobbier tire option than
 the fatty rumpkins...the Bomba would have never been bought.

 This has me questioning my keeping the Bombadil or at least how I have
 it set up. So I have been considering swapping it to drop bars,
 narrower tires, and using it for longer rides where I am carrying my
 panniers to go camping, but only on groomed mixed terrain, dirt roads
 etc. Then finding a 26 wheeled bike for the MTB use, and leave my
 Bleriot as is because I love it as my go to bike.

 In the midst of this mental acrobatics, I completely stumbled on a 26
 wheeled xo-3 and became the new owner. So now I truly have 3 bikes in
 very close relation.

 I realize many of the members here are multiple Riv bike owners, and I
 am wondering how you diversify their use? They all seem so very
 closely capable with new models coming to fill seemingly narrow
 gaps.

 All this boils down to me considering a trade on the Bomba for
 something of the same level but in a canti version 700c. Canti
 Romulus? A true all-rounder?

 Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread EricP
Or make it four!  Remember, I also have a 56cm Atlantis for sale.
(This other one for sale would obviously influence the price of mine
if someone were to make an offer.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Feb 11, 2:49�pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Or as my friend, Greayer says, I need a back-up for my back-up!

 Store the second one offsite in a fire-proof safe.

 :)
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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread Earl Grey
From the horse's (his/Grant's) mouth, the main compartment is:

9.5 inches wide, 7 inches front-to-back, and about 8 inches tall.

Or 240 x 178 x 200. (mm) (W x L x D)

This is as wide as a large Ortlieb, but both deeper and longer front
to back: 240 x ~135 x 175 (W x L x D). (Length is an average because
the front of the bag is curved; sides are 120, center is 150.)

Narrower than a small Berthoud, but longer (front to back) and equally
deep: 270 x 145 x 200 (W x L x D).

About the removal, couldn't you use washers small enough that the
leather sleeves will slide over them if the bag is lifted slightly,
but still prevent the leather sleeves from sliding over them if there
is any kind of weight in the bag?

And yes, the bolts on the front of the rack are M8s (perhaps with
built-in washers, judging from the photo on benscycle.net)

I am getting one!

Gernot



On Feb 12, 1:47 am, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm
 feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions:

 - How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?)
 - How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take
 it off the bike each time I lock up?)
 - How much water can it take?

 wc.

 On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
  BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
  didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

  Anyone order one yet?

  --mike

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[RBW] Re: Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

2010-02-11 Thread jinxed
On Feb 11, 4:47 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:
 Isn't it wonderful that we are fortunate enough to have these kinds of
 choices in life?

 Dave

Absolutely agree with you there. As with your other points too.

I think what is happening to me is that I used to do many different
types of riding that made bike set-up/choice easy to determine, but
now I tend to just ride. I had (still do) a road race bike for racing,
a cross bike for cross racing, a mountain bike for technical trail
riding and racing, and a single speed townie for general errand
running and coffee shop rides. Well, once I stopped racing, got
married, had a daughter and became a stay home dad...most of my bikes
were extremes that no longer fit how I ride. I started doing a bunch
more random mixed terrain riding, longer meandering exploring, and
camping. That's where the Bleriot came in and really just eliminated
the need for my other bikes. I sold off all of them except for my
Colnago race bike which has sentimental value, but has not seen the
road in 4 years.

However, now that my time has freed up some I wanted to do more
mountain biking just not quite as aggressively. I thought the Bombadil
was it, but the big wheels and tall stand over has me really
uncomfortable on the rough singletrack. I think it would make a
fantastic all rounder but more robust than I would ever need, and
the Bleriot already fits that need to perfection. That's where I
started thinking maybe someone would be interested in trading a 700c
that has the opposite problem. An Atlantis would obviously be another
consideration, but with the 26 xo it too be redundant. So a 700c
would be the furthest step I suppose.

On Feb 11, 7:33 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:

 If I had a Bombadil I'd keep it!

 Ryan

I'd keep it too, especially if you may regret it if you let it go.
Even though there may be a lot of overlap, functionally, between the
two bikes the way you currently have them set up, you can always
change that.I suppose that's what makes them so good in my book.
they are remarkably versatile.

It's a weird situation for me to be sure. The Bombadil is by far the
most expensive frame I have ever purchased so it stings to be thinking
why did I buy this?. Certainly the bike could be set up vastly
different from the Bleriot and used for a different purpose. It might
end up being the hummer of country bikes. Honestly I would trust any
Riv frame under me in the hardest conditions I could dish out. At
145lbs I've never had even the lightest of frames/parts fail. Hell, I
have only taken one wheel out of true and that was a crash that broke
the rim. Knock on wood right?

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
A friend/customer of mine had three Atlanti at one point, all
different and cool.

On Feb 11, 6:36 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Or make it four!  Remember, I also have a 56cm Atlantis for sale.
 (This other one for sale would obviously influence the price of mine
 if someone were to make an offer.)

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Feb 11, 2:49 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote:
   Or as my friend, Greayer says, I need a back-up for my back-up!

  Store the second one offsite in a fire-proof safe.

  :)
  -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis 56 on the 'Bay

2010-02-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
 A friend/customer of mine had three Atlanti at one point, all
 different and cool.


I could definitely see the virtue.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

2010-02-11 Thread Earl Grey
Personally, I like my bikes versatile, and I'd rather have two
versatile bikes that are too similar then two different bikes that
are limited in their versatility but occupy different niches. Make
them different through different set-ups. In what way do you think a
700c Romulus would serve you better than a Bomba for longer rides
where I am carrying my panniers to go camping, but only on groomed
mixed terrain, dirt roads etc.?

Do you think it would be faster/more responsive? Do you just want it
to feel more different? How are your Bleriot and Bomba set up now, and
what are you thinking of putting on the Bomba to distinguish them?

I have a 20 year old Fisher Sphinx monstercross which is a great all-
rounder in design if not in execution (kinda low end). I complemented
this with a racey Indy Fab Planet X for fast club rides and single-
tracking, leaving the Sphinx fendered and racked for commuting. But
the IF didn't quite fit 42mm knobbies, and I had to zip-tie fenders on
when I was mostly riding it on the road but in wet weather. So I
replaced it with a Hillborne, which is much more like the Fisher, but
also a much better bike (for me) for that reason: takes 42mm knobbies,
racks, fenders, doesn't quite motivate me to hammer the way the IF
does, but these days I consider that an advantage.

Of course a cyclocross racer is a different animal from say an AHH,
but I prefer my Sam over an AHH because of the tire clearance. Even
though my Sphinx can fit much bigger tires, the Sam is currently set
up as the mixed terrain bike with knobbies, and the Sphinx as the
grocery hauler with Jack Browns and fenders, mostly because I want to
ride shiny Sam on my long fun mixed-terrain rides.

Cheers,

Gernot

On Feb 12, 7:54 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 11, 7:33 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:

  If I had a Bombadil I'd keep it!

  Ryan

 I'd keep it too, especially if you may regret it if you let it go.
 Even though there may be a lot of overlap, functionally, between the
 two bikes the way you currently have them set up, you can always
 change that.    I suppose that's what makes them so good in my book.
 they are remarkably versatile.

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[RBW] Re: What are you reading (was reading chairs)?

2010-02-11 Thread Ron MH
The Iliad of Homer, translated by Robert Fagels

On Feb 11, 6:50 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
 The Collected Songs of Cold Mountain (tr. by Red Pine)

 Biographies of Ted Greene and Lenny Breau.

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Re: [RBW] Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

2010-02-11 Thread cyclotourist
I think having it the same wheelsize as the Bleriot is kinda' cool. I like
that on my bikes (although w/ 700c).  Maybe keeping the Bomba as is (or
adding drops for a monstercross type set up) and turning the Bleriot into a
lighterweight road bike would be an option?  Maybe adding on a lightweight
XC mtn. bike like a Curtlo in the same size so you can swap wheelsets.  Here
is Steve F's that he showed on the 650b list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4043720735/sizes/l/ and I must say
it looks like a well done bike!

The XO of course throws a wrench into that equation.

Decisions, decisions, decisions... :-)


On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:26 AM, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So there have been several recent threads I have been following with
 interest. They are all revolving around questions I have regarding my
 Bombadil. Canti vs. side pull, 26 vs. 650b vs. 700, and the subtle
 shades of Rivendell models, ie: bikes like the Hunq and Sam falling in
 between other existing models.

 My first Rivendell happened to be my first 650b as well with the
 purchase of my Bleriot. I fell in love with it instantly. It became
 the only bike I rode. Then having a whetted appetite for Riv designs I
 wanted to expand with an off road specific bike and debated between
 the Bombadil, and Atlantis ultimately deciding on the Bombadil.

 My hope was that I had chosen a bike that had different capabilities
 than the Bleriot to compliment it. I am finding that other than the
 difference in handlebars position, the bikes are extremely close in
 capability for me. This is where the wheel size is coming into play.
 After riding some similar lugged/rigid 26 wheeled bikes back to back
 with my Bomba, I find I prefer the 26 while riding technical rocky
 terrain. Most likely because that is what I have been mountain biking
 on for 20 years. It's not that I do not like the Bomba, but I feel the
 2 Riv's I have are sort of redundant in the terrain I am comfortable
 riding them in. The thread regarding canti bikes had me thinking that
 if the Bleriot had cantis and just a little knobbier tire option than
 the fatty rumpkins...the Bomba would have never been bought.

 This has me questioning my keeping the Bombadil or at least how I have
 it set up. So I have been considering swapping it to drop bars,
 narrower tires, and using it for longer rides where I am carrying my
 panniers to go camping, but only on groomed mixed terrain, dirt roads
 etc. Then finding a 26 wheeled bike for the MTB use, and leave my
 Bleriot as is because I love it as my go to bike.

 In the midst of this mental acrobatics, I completely stumbled on a 26
 wheeled xo-3 and became the new owner. So now I truly have 3 bikes in
 very close relation.

 I realize many of the members here are multiple Riv bike owners, and I
 am wondering how you diversify their use? They all seem so very
 closely capable with new models coming to fill seemingly narrow
 gaps.

 All this boils down to me considering a trade on the Bomba for
 something of the same level but in a canti version 700c. Canti
 Romulus? A true all-rounder?

 Thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

2010-02-11 Thread Ray Shine
Ahhh, the stereo-typical Rivendell conundrum.  I own a Canti-Rom, Gen-1 
Quickbeam, and an Atlantis (I also have a Jamis IGH that I commute on).  The 
Canti-Rom is my old-man rendition of a fast road bike, although I did tour the 
Oregon Coast on it pulling a BOB trailer.  The QB is just a fun all-rounder, 
meaning roads, trails, city stuff. Tons of fun. The Atlantis is capable of 
doing anything that I do on the others, plus it can tour really heavy (I rode 
fully loaded the Western Express/Trans-Am on it last summer).  I'd love to own 
a Sam or maybe a Bomba, but hard to justify that with the Riv's I already own.  
I have most of the riding options covered, even redundantly so.  But, if I 
purchase a nice set of Lesnick Hands-On mountain wheels for the Atlantis, I'd 
have all the mountain bike thatI'll ever need.  I kinda wish GP hadn't designed 
the Atlantis so cleverly, then I could justify the Bomb.  To stay in the 
club, I keep buying Pine Tar soap from
 'em…





From: jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 11:26:24 AM
Subject: [RBW] Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

So there have been several recent threads I have been following with
interest. They are all revolving around questions I have regarding my
Bombadil. Canti vs. side pull, 26 vs. 650b vs. 700, and the subtle
shades of Rivendell models, ie: bikes like the Hunq and Sam falling in
between other existing models.

My first Rivendell happened to be my first 650b as well with the
purchase of my Bleriot. I fell in love with it instantly. It became
the only bike I rode. Then having a whetted appetite for Riv designs I
wanted to expand with an off road specific bike and debated between
the Bombadil, and Atlantis ultimately deciding on the Bombadil.

My hope was that I had chosen a bike that had different capabilities
than the Bleriot to compliment it. I am finding that other than the
difference in handlebars position, the bikes are extremely close in
capability for me. This is where the wheel size is coming into play.
After riding some similar lugged/rigid 26 wheeled bikes back to back
with my Bomba, I find I prefer the 26 while riding technical rocky
terrain. Most likely because that is what I have been mountain biking
on for 20 years. It's not that I do not like the Bomba, but I feel the
2 Riv's I have are sort of redundant in the terrain I am comfortable
riding them in. The thread regarding canti bikes had me thinking that
if the Bleriot had cantis and just a little knobbier tire option than
the fatty rumpkins...the Bomba would have never been bought.

This has me questioning my keeping the Bombadil or at least how I have
it set up. So I have been considering swapping it to drop bars,
narrower tires, and using it for longer rides where I am carrying my
panniers to go camping, but only on groomed mixed terrain, dirt roads
etc. Then finding a 26 wheeled bike for the MTB use, and leave my
Bleriot as is because I love it as my go to bike.

In the midst of this mental acrobatics, I completely stumbled on a 26
wheeled xo-3 and became the new owner. So now I truly have 3 bikes in
very close relation.

I realize many of the members here are multiple Riv bike owners, and I
am wondering how you diversify their use? They all seem so very
closely capable with new models coming to fill seemingly narrow
gaps.

All this boils down to me considering a trade on the Bomba for
something of the same level but in a canti version 700c. Canti
Romulus? A true all-rounder?

Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: What are you reading (was reading chairs)?

2010-02-11 Thread JoelMatthews
Lovely!  A wonderful translation.  He speaks with a truly modern voice
yet loses nothing.

On Feb 11, 8:31 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Iliad of Homer, translated by Robert Fagels

 On Feb 11, 6:50 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:



  The Collected Songs of Cold Mountain (tr. by Red Pine)

  Biographies of Ted Greene and Lenny Breau.

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[RBW] Re: What are you reading (was reading chairs)?

2010-02-11 Thread Ron MH
It's absolutely lyrical. This is my second reading in 10 years. I love
this stuff. The Odyssey is next.

On Feb 11, 6:45 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 Lovely!  A wonderful translation.  He speaks with a truly modern voice
 yet loses nothing.

 On Feb 11, 8:31 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:



  The Iliad of Homer, translated by Robert Fagels

  On Feb 11, 6:50 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:

   The Collected Songs of Cold Mountain (tr. by Red Pine)

   Biographies of Ted Greene and Lenny Breau.

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[RBW] MUSA Cotton Bar Tape

2010-02-11 Thread Justin August
The venerable Box Dog Bikes (one of the best places to get old
crotchety cyclist gear in the Bay Area) has posted color swatches of
cotton tape from Newbaums: http://bit.ly/94Fpvm
blockquoteNewbaums is a small manufacturer based in the United
States that exclusively makes cotton handlebar tape.  Vivid new
colors.  Take that France!/blockquote
Seems like this is something Riv should start stocking, given their
thrust towards more MUSA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What are you reading (was reading chairs)?

2010-02-11 Thread Bill Gibson
Currently reading Dr. Faustus, by Christopher Marlowe. Finished
Bicycle Diaries last week, by David Byrne. I recently heard about a
novel based on the life of Cicero, which sounds interesting.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's absolutely lyrical. This is my second reading in 10 years. I love
 this stuff. The Odyssey is next.

 On Feb 11, 6:45 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 Lovely!  A wonderful translation.  He speaks with a truly modern voice
 yet loses nothing.

 On Feb 11, 8:31 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:



  The Iliad of Homer, translated by Robert Fagels

  On Feb 11, 6:50 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:

   The Collected Songs of Cold Mountain (tr. by Red Pine)

   Biographies of Ted Greene and Lenny Breau.

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Re: [RBW] MUSA Cotton Bar Tape

2010-02-11 Thread Bill Gibson
Hooray! I love small manufacturers, and MUSA as much as I love France
and Japan. Except, my shellacked tape has lasted a heck of a long
time, given what I used to get from nekkid cotton tape...

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
 The venerable Box Dog Bikes (one of the best places to get old
 crotchety cyclist gear in the Bay Area) has posted color swatches of
 cotton tape from Newbaums: http://bit.ly/94Fpvm
 blockquoteNewbaums is a small manufacturer based in the United
 States that exclusively makes cotton handlebar tape.  Vivid new
 colors.  Take that France!/blockquote
 Seems like this is something Riv should start stocking, given their
 thrust towards more MUSA.

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[RBW] Re: Hypothetical Bombadil trade and observations.

2010-02-11 Thread jinxed
On Feb 11, 7:25 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Personally, I like my bikes versatile, and I'd rather have two
 versatile bikes that are too similar then two different bikes that
 are limited in their versatility but occupy different niches. Make
 them different through different set-ups.

I agree regarding the niche thing. That was all I had and it was weird
to have 4 bikes, none of which would really do just a simple mixed
terrain ride. Sure my full suspension would, but it was a dog on
anything paved.

In what way do you think a
 700c Romulus would serve you better than a Bomba for longer rides
 where I am carrying my panniers to go camping, but only on groomed
 mixed terrain, dirt roads etc.?
 Do you think it would be faster/more responsive? Do you just want it
 to feel more different?

This is the $2000 question. As far as something like a Rom, Ram, or
Hillborne serving better for packed camping use, I dont think they
would or would not. I think they would all do equally great. The only
advantage I see a 700c set up giving me over the Bombadil would be on
paved century rides.

How are your Bleriot and Bomba set up now, and
 what are you thinking of putting on the Bomba to distinguish them?

My Bleriot is a fairly standard Riv 9spd drive train Sugino XD's/105,
moustache bars, rear rack and fatty rumpkin tires.
The Bombadil is set up with basically a full modern xt mountain group,
bullmoose bars, and v-brakes. I have the 2.0 quasi-moto pacenti tires
on it.

My thought would be to rebuild the Bombadil with something like a
noodle bar, more roadish gearing, and a narrower smoother tire like a
Marathon or Grand Bois. Maybe move the rack over to it. I think this
would be a great setup although very similar to the Bleriot, so would
it be better suited on a 700c platform? Probably splitting hairs. No
doubt I love the raw paint, and double tube, but honestly if we're
talking looks I could blindly pick any model they make. I love how all
of them look.

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[RBW] Re: Reading Chairs

2010-02-11 Thread RonaTD
On Feb 10, 10:07 am, Adam DeFayette adam.defaye...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm looking for a new reading chair. Are there any legendary chairs
 out there, known for comfort, ergonomics, design?

Along the lines of the Stickley/Morris chairs, we have 2 of these:

http://www.ethanallen.com/product?productId=894categoryId=8367

in which I happily read The Art Of Racing In The Rain by Garth Stein.
They have tremendous lumbar support...possibly too much for some.

We also have a couple of Ikea Poang chairs, which are quite good and a
steal at the price.

My wife's great-great grandfather had a custom-made reading chair,
which was something of a cross between a classic overstuffed thing and
the womb chair. Its unique feature is that the left arm is lower than
the right. His favorite reading position was with he left leg dangling
over the arm.
http://www.touring-ohio.com/profiles/art/garfield_0742.jpg
The perspective of the photo doesn't do it justice, but you can get
the idea.

It's a cromulent topic.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI, USA

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[RBW] Re: What are you reading (was reading chairs)?

2010-02-11 Thread Beth H
Recently finished The Rebbe's Army by Sue Fishkoff. All about the
Chabad (super-orthodox Jewish movement) and its worldwide corps of
young married couples who set up outposts to reach unaffiliated Jews.
A fascinating read about the pull one man can have upon for thousands
of people, even after his death; not without controversy but very well-
written.

Next up: The Art of Blessing the Day by Marge Piercy. Collected
poems, great bedtime reading. I may mix this up with some occasional
reading from a huge volume of e.e. cummings' poetry that my sweetie
gave me for my birthday. About twice a year I go on a poetry tear for
a few weeks and get it out of my system. (Last year it was Whitman.)
Hopefully by the time I'm done another book of prose will become
apparent. --Beth

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread Orc
On Feb 11, 5:52 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:

 And yes, the bolts on the front of the rack are M8s (perhaps with
 built-in washers, judging from the photo on benscycle.net)

Unless Nitto has changed things in the last year and change (or
whenever
Riv made their last F15 order -- I got my F15 when it was in the
no, never
gonna have a bar bag again section of the web specials) they're
separate
washers.

If you didn't want to deal with unscrewing the bolts to remove the
bag you
could just plug the tubes with beeswax and sew a couple of
fasteners to
the back side and clip them around  the back bar.   Not much water
ends
up on that side of the bag, so you probably wouldn't  even need to
be extra
careful about rewaterproofing.

   -david parsons

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[RBW] Re: Where 'O Where is the SimpleOne?

2010-02-11 Thread Rick P
Michael,

Where did you see that the next batch of Sams will be designed for
caliper brakes? I missed that completely. Been dragging my feet about
getting one . . . this may push me to act.

Rick in Ohio

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[RBW] FS:Shimano Deore XT Hubs new

2010-02-11 Thread hobie
FS:1- pair of new Shimano Deore XT FH-m750 135mm rear cassette, 100mm
front, hubs in silver w/o skewers.I say new but they have been laced
but never ridden.This is how I bought them a year ago.Very nice pair
of hubs for a Hilsen,Saluki,Ram,Bomba,Bleriot Atlantis.$55.00 shipped

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