[RBW] Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread Teit
I found this from an old Rivendell Reader:
http://www.recumbentblog.com/images/rivendell-1992-wax.pdf

In fall og early winter it rains quite often where I live, and the
chain picks up a lot af dirt and gravel which works like a good
grinding paste. Not good.

I guess that the wax will wash out earlier in these conditions, but
would it be a good idea to have two chains and just clean and shift
one a week using the wax method? I commute around 150 miles each week.
And normally maintain bike in the weekends only.

I think my question is, if the benifits of waxing the chain will be
present for 150 miles in wet conditions?

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[RBW] Re: Davis Double 5-15-2010 - a set on Flickr

2010-05-17 Thread William
Manny, you can't give it 100% approval.  There are no panda shots in
the whole group!

Eric, congrats.  I bet the weather was perfecto.

On May 16, 7:59 am, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Crazy 202 miles! Great Job

 On May 16, 7:55 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:





  Yes, different group for the most part.  A double is viewed as more of a 
  sprint--get a fast bike and finish as quickly as possible. I rode my Sachs 
  mostly because it doesn't get ridden enough.

  --Eric

  Sent from my iPad

  On May 16, 2010, at 7:51 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hey Eric, the bikes on this ride appear much different than the bikes on 
   brevets.  Many more low spoke and crabon bikes than the steel and 
   generator set up, at least to my untrained eye.  Is that just because 
   it's considered short or does it attract a different crowd (or both)?  
   Is there much overlap of the two groups, or do the species not typically 
   intermingle.

   On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
   How I spent my Saturday--202 miles aboard my Riv Road.  Photos here:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623944822411/

   Captions coming after I have some breakfast!

   --Eric

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[RBW] Re: Cork, Tape, and Shellac

2010-05-17 Thread CR Masterson
I am curious...what do you mean, 'it rides big'?  And, with the bag
sitting up high like that, what do you do for lights? Finally. what is
the 'feel' of the shellacked tape?

On May 16, 5:25 am, Blindrobert roberto.cipri...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just wanted to say that I tried this and I am very pleased with the
 results, after a year of use.  I followed the instructions on the Riv
 site and it worked out perfectly.  I have to say that it looks better
 after time than any cork or synthetic tape I have used.  The bike is
 Frances Cycles custom fixtonneur that I had made, sizing is in the
 Riv/Grant philosophy (it rides big and I like it that way) - this is
 my city bike/commuter now.  I love it.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/blindrobert/3729507832/sizes/l/http://www.flickr.com/photos/blindrobert/3729507100/sizes/l/http://www.flickr.com/photos/blindrobert/3728706127/

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[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread happyriding
On May 14, 1:21 am, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul Comp are THE best brakes made in the world these days.

 -my next ride is going with Racer-canti,

What is the Paul Racer-canti?  I don't see it on the Paul website.

 the Bleriot is set for Racer-
 bolts, and Chloe's new LHT is going to get the Neo/Touring combo
 soon-


What issues are there with the straight Neo setup?  The Paul website
says:

--
Also, the arms stick out a lot! For smaller frames, bikes with bags,
and people with HUGE feet there can be some interference problems
--
http://www.paulcomp.com/neoretro.html


So if you have panniers on the front, somehow the brakes will
interfere with the panniers?  Or is that just the rear brake?  Same
with big feet?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread happyriding
On May 13, 11:38 pm, Paul Price p...@paulcomp.com wrote:
 Hey-

 Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes.

Hi Paul,

Do you have any pictures on your website that compare 'silver
anodized' to 'high polish'?  Or, can you direct me to pictures of each
type?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Davis Double 5-15-2010 - a set on Flickr

2010-05-17 Thread happyriding
On May 16, 8:03 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
 How I spent my Saturday--202 miles aboard my Riv Road.  Photos here:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623944822411/

 Captions coming after I have some breakfast!


---
My 27th Davis Double, and it turned out to be a fine day.
---

Holy smokes.  Is it held 3 times a year??!!  Congratulations!

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Re: [RBW] Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread cyclotourist
I think h20 pretty much immediately washes out wax.  I wax my chains as I
hate chain grease, but live in the land of no water.   If I were you, I
wouldn't mess with it.  Just stick w/ Boeshield or similar.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Teit teit.jen...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found this from an old Rivendell Reader:
 http://www.recumbentblog.com/images/rivendell-1992-wax.pdf

 In fall og early winter it rains quite often where I live, and the
 chain picks up a lot af dirt and gravel which works like a good
 grinding paste. Not good.

 I guess that the wax will wash out earlier in these conditions, but
 would it be a good idea to have two chains and just clean and shift
 one a week using the wax method? I commute around 150 miles each week.
 And normally maintain bike in the weekends only.

 I think my question is, if the benifits of waxing the chain will be
 present for 150 miles in wet conditions?

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[RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread Angus
I would think that wax should be relatively water proof (waxed cotton
etc...)

I have used a couple of waxed chains in the past and they stayed
cleaner than most.  I don't live in a hugely rainy place.

Angus

On May 16, 3:57 am, Teit teit.jen...@gmail.com wrote:
 I found this from an old Rivendell 
 Reader:http://www.recumbentblog.com/images/rivendell-1992-wax.pdf

 In fall og early winter it rains quite often where I live, and the
 chain picks up a lot af dirt and gravel which works like a good
 grinding paste. Not good.

 I guess that the wax will wash out earlier in these conditions, but
 would it be a good idea to have two chains and just clean and shift
 one a week using the wax method? I commute around 150 miles each week.
 And normally maintain bike in the weekends only.

 I think my question is, if the benifits of waxing the chain will be
 present for 150 miles in wet conditions?

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[RBW] Re: Cork, Tape, and Shellac

2010-05-17 Thread Blindrobert
By rides big I just mean that it is sized more traditionally with
just a little seatpost showing and handlebars close to level with the
saddle.  On a modern racing frame, I would ride a 60cm bike and in
fact the bikes I use at the velodrome are that size; this bike has a
63cm seat tube.  For lights, I usually just put my petzl headlamp
around the bag and turn it on.  I have lots of bikes, and I ride them
all, so moveable lights are more useful to me than fixed lights.
Though, for touring, I use a dynamo front hub and wired light.

I mostly use this bike for commuting and city riding - I do sometimes
ride up on the curves and it is comfortable for short distances.  I
always wear padded gloves, so I don't need much cushioning beyond
that.  The shellaced cloth tape is very grippy, even when it's wet.
The cork grips are comfortable, I suspect they would be even more
comfortable if I shortened my stem and sat a little more upright.  I
tend to ride a bit aggressively in traffic and that usually means
leaning forward and pushing a pretty good clip.

Roberto

On May 16, 1:46 pm, CR Masterson crmaster...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am curious...what do you mean, 'it rides big'?  And, with the bag
 sitting up high like that, what do you do for lights? Finally. what is
 the 'feel' of the shellacked tape?

 On May 16, 5:25 am, Blindrobert roberto.cipri...@gmail.com wrote:

  I just wanted to say that I tried this and I am very pleased with the
  results, after a year of use.  I followed the instructions on the Riv
  site and it worked out perfectly.  I have to say that it looks better
  after time than any cork or synthetic tape I have used.  The bike is
  Frances Cycles custom fixtonneur that I had made, sizing is in the
  Riv/Grant philosophy (it rides big and I like it that way) - this is
  my city bike/commuter now.  I love it.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/blindrobert/3729507832/sizes/l/http://ww...

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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 20:07 -0700, happyriding wrote:
 On May 13, 11:38 pm, Paul Price p...@paulcomp.com wrote:
  Hey-
 
  Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes.
 
 Hi Paul,
 
 Do you have any pictures on your website that compare 'silver
 anodized' to 'high polish'?  Or, can you direct me to pictures of each
 type?

High polish looks like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/2668209327/sizes/o/in/set-72157606169015639/

Silver anodized looks like this:
http://paulcomp.com/images/racermain.png



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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 19:21 -0700, happyriding wrote:
 On May 14, 1:21 am, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
  Paul Comp are THE best brakes made in the world these days.
 
  -my next ride is going with Racer-canti,
 
 What is the Paul Racer-canti?  I don't see it on the Paul website.

He must mean the brazed-on post model.



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[RBW] Bombadill fork crown braze ons?

2010-05-17 Thread Frederick, Steve
I see some (not all) Bomba's have braze ons on the top of their fork crown like 
last gen Kogswell P/R's.  Is Riv offering a rack that mounts there I wonder?  
Was this a running change or can you specify when ordering?

You can see them on this Bomba that's on ebay (outing-not affiliated, etc)  and 
on some of the 'dills in the Riv pics.  (but not all!)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rivendell-Bombadil-Touring-Mountain-650B-Frame-/200473386188?cmd=ViewItempt=Road_Bikeshash=item2ead251ccc

Steve

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Re: [RBW] Another camera to shoot your Riv with

2010-05-17 Thread Eric Norris
Very nice! I just bought the Hipstamatic app last week. As a cyclist, I was 
also compelled to buy the Pprtland expansion pack :-)

Have you also tried Camerabag?

--Eric

Sent from my iPad

On May 16, 2010, at 9:40 PM, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've found that the dreamy analog touch of some iphone photography
 apps goes well with the dreamy analog touch of my Rivendell. :)
 
 Here are some shots I took today exploring the bayou paths downtown on
 my Atlantis:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/sets/72157623951607973/
 
 Some shots were taken with Hipstamatic and some with ShakeItPhoto.
 
 I think the saying The best camera is the one you got definitely
 applies to my iphone. But in addition to the convenience factor,
 there's also a fun factor that sometimes trumps all the megapixels of
 my fancier cameras.
 
 Maybe I have a liking for that analog look because that's what my
 childhood pictures are in, or perhaps its a hardwired preference
 similar to liking Impressionist paintings. I dunno, but I dig it.
 
 I realize some of you may scoff at the idea of techy fake analog. I
 think GP himself may not even do digital.
 
 But for those you shooting entirely digital yet find the analog look
 appealing, here's another option.
 
 Have fun,
 -- J.
 
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[RBW] Re: Brooks B-17's wearing out

2010-05-17 Thread Patrick in VT
On May 16, 7:10 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:
 Several of my B-17's are showing significant wear, turning into
 hatchets.  What does the list recommend for replacements, something
 substantially similar that doesn't wear out so fast for us Clydes?

just an FYI - Bilenky Cycle Works is now the official Brooks repair
shop in the U.S.  i have no idea what, if anything, can be done to
repair the saddles, but it may be worth a call.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B-17's wearing out

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 06:43 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote:
 On May 16, 7:10 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:
  Several of my B-17's are showing significant wear, turning into
  hatchets.  What does the list recommend for replacements, something
  substantially similar that doesn't wear out so fast for us Clydes?
 
 just an FYI - Bilenky Cycle Works is now the official Brooks repair
 shop in the U.S.  i have no idea what, if anything, can be done to
 repair the saddles, but it may be worth a call.
 

Just out of curiosity, have you tried retensioning the leather and
lacing the sides?

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/brooks.html
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/brooks-blocking.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_5759709_restore-brooks-saddle.html
http://highsnobiety.com/columns/jeffcarvalho/2008/09/23/how-to-lace-a-brooks-saddle/




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[RBW] Re: Davis Double 5-15-2010 - a set on Flickr

2010-05-17 Thread Patrick in VT
On May 16, 11:53 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
 Rides like the Davis Double are fully supported, no need to carry more
 food or water than needed to get to the next rest stop.   Brevets are
 self-supported, so randonneurs tend to carry more baggage, and their
 bikes are built up accordingly.

well, yes and no.  no?

on a nice day, there's not much reason to carry baggage on a 200-300k
brevet.  distance between controls in my region are typically 40 miles
on average, and most riders choose to refuel at the controls rather
than carry their own food.  it's really not much different than a
supported ride.

accordingly, most folks are on road bikes with bike jerseys and a
small seatpouch to carry what they need.

i start to notice more rando bikes (i.e., road bikes w/ bags, maybe
fenders) on distances of 400k+.   or, of course, if it's raining or
there is some other weather to contend with.  but even on a 600k, one
might have the advantage of using a drop bag, so you don't have to
carry *that* much.  a big handlebar bag or medium saddlebag should
cover it.  that said, I couldn't believe how little some folks were
carrying on the PA 1200k (which I DNF'd) - no bags at all.  and it was
cold and wet.  and they finished.

anyway, there's also the event attitude that Esteban seems to be
referring to - the triple crown series sounds like it brings out a
different type of rider than a brevet series.

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[RBW] fixing leather saddles

2010-05-17 Thread Grant Petersen
Saddle stuffing works great, preemptively or resurrectingly. I've healed
eight or nine saddles this way, and ... it's in the current RR, or the one
before. On a horse, you have the horse  blanket under the leather, so no
sag/stretch possible. On a bike saddle, nothing but air. Fill the air with
stuff-ing. Foam. We have some, but we're not a source, can't be mailing
chunks of foam for free all day long...but when you understand the concept,
you'll find a local solution.
It is..totally a good way to go. It will quadruple the life, I bet. For
Selle An-Atomicas, it's the only way to go.

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Grant
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www.rivbike.com
925 933 7304

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[RBW] splat-'onnection in back

2010-05-17 Thread Grant Petersen
Manny said:

Rivendell's shoe contraption is quite smart! I laughed about it at
first but I can see myself using these on hikes or muddy bike rides.
I'm curious about the heel straping, and how it's connected.

THe first sample laces like a shoe. We'll go with something faster-easier-,
maybe one eyelet on each side, and adjustable with cord-lock. Not sure, but
have time to work it out. These will also keep foxtails and tics out of sox.
The design may be too simple for public acceptance, though.



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[RBW] Re: Bombadill fork crown braze ons?

2010-05-17 Thread newenglandbike
The rack mounts on the fork crown are for mounting any rear rack
(for example a Nitto R14) on the front.   Pretty awesome IMHO.



On May 17, 8:46 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
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 I see some (not all) Bomba's have braze ons on the top of their fork crown 
 like last gen Kogswell P/R's.  Is Riv offering a rack that mounts there I 
 wonder?  Was this a running change or can you specify when ordering?

 You can see them on this Bomba that's on ebay (outing-not affiliated, etc)  
 and on some of the 'dills in the Riv pics.  (but not all!)

 http://cgi.ebay.com/Rivendell-Bombadil-Touring-Mountain-650B-Frame-/2...

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Re: [RBW] Bombadill fork crown braze ons?

2010-05-17 Thread CycloFiend
on 5/17/10 5:46 AM, Frederick, Steve at frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:

 I see some (not all) Bomba's have braze ons on the top of their fork crown
 like last gen Kogswell P/R's.  Is Riv offering a rack that mounts there I
 wonder?  Was this a running change or can you specify when ordering?

The fork crown threading was on the first prototypes which I saw.

http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc452-bombadilproto0208.html

I don't know of an RBW-offered factory rack which currently uses that
connection.  Like few of the braze-ons on the Bomba, I think they are
stressing the possible.  That attachment point definitely shows up on
various other rack designs.

 
 You can see them on this Bomba that's on ebay (outing-not affiliated, etc)
 and on some of the 'dills in the Riv pics.  (but not all!)

The only one that I've noticed that _doesn't_ have the threaded fork crown
is the blue one, which seems to look as if it has been plugged (look at the
sweeping chevrons - there's a dot there that would suggest it).

- J


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[RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread doug peterson
I wax my chains  do so on my Atlantis just before each tour.  I can't
recall the chain ever squeaking or given other indication of lack of
lube.  A tour a couple of years ago was in the fall  we had rain
quite frequently, often heavy.  You won't know how it works for you
unless you give it a try.  It's a simple, inexpensive experiment  not
nearly as much trouble as people suggest.

dougP

On May 17, 2:59 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 I would think that wax should be relatively water proof (waxed cotton
 etc...)

 I have used a couple of waxed chains in the past and they stayed
 cleaner than most.  I don't live in a hugely rainy place.

 Angus

 On May 16, 3:57 am, Teit teit.jen...@gmail.com wrote:





  I found this from an old Rivendell 
  Reader:http://www.recumbentblog.com/images/rivendell-1992-wax.pdf

  In fall og early winter it rains quite often where I live, and the
  chain picks up a lot af dirt and gravel which works like a good
  grinding paste. Not good.

  I guess that the wax will wash out earlier in these conditions, but
  would it be a good idea to have two chains and just clean and shift
  one a week using the wax method? I commute around 150 miles each week.
  And normally maintain bike in the weekends only.

  I think my question is, if the benifits of waxing the chain will be
  present for 150 miles in wet conditions?

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Re: [RBW] Another camera to shoot your Riv with

2010-05-17 Thread CycloFiend
on 5/16/10 9:40 PM, jose at jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've found that the dreamy analog touch of some iphone photography
 apps goes well with the dreamy analog touch of my Rivendell. :)
 
 Here are some shots I took today exploring the bayou paths downtown on
 my Atlantis:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/sets/72157623951607973/
 
 Some shots were taken with Hipstamatic and some with ShakeItPhoto.
 
 I think the saying The best camera is the one you got definitely
 applies to my iphone. But in addition to the convenience factor,
 there's also a fun factor that sometimes trumps all the megapixels of
 my fancier cameras.
 
 Maybe I have a liking for that analog look because that's what my
 childhood pictures are in, or perhaps its a hardwired preference
 similar to liking Impressionist paintings. I dunno, but I dig it.
 
 I realize some of you may scoff at the idea of techy fake analog. I
 think GP himself may not even do digital.

Hard to argue against those images.  Really nice stuff!

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 08:18 -0700, doug peterson wrote:
 I wax my chains  do so on my Atlantis just before each tour.  I can't
 recall the chain ever squeaking or given other indication of lack of
 lube.  A tour a couple of years ago was in the fall  we had rain
 quite frequently, often heavy.  You won't know how it works for you
 unless you give it a try.  It's a simple, inexpensive experiment  not
 nearly as much trouble as people suggest.

I tried waxing the chain once, on my commuter.  Next morning it began
raining as I was riding to work.  I got 0.1 mi down the road and the
chain began squeaking.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I've found that if you stew the chain in the melted wax for half an hour
the chain won't squeak as quickly as it does if you keep it in  for just a
few minutes. Half an hour is not a period scientifically determined, but it
does work better than five minutes.

Stewing -- this also keeps the chain from stretching; must affect the
molecules in a good way.

So stew it before you give up on it.

And, finally, an old crockpot with your neighbors' old ornamental candle
ends works very well. I put a small grate on the bottom to keep the chain
off of the dirt that sinks to the bottom of the pot, and simply toss the
chain onto the cold wax and turn it on high and walk away, coming back in
half an hour or more. Haven't burned anything down yet.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 08:18 -0700, doug peterson wrote:
  I wax my chains  do so on my Atlantis just before each tour.  I can't
  recall the chain ever squeaking or given other indication of lack of
  lube.  A tour a couple of years ago was in the fall  we had rain
  quite frequently, often heavy.  You won't know how it works for you
  unless you give it a try.  It's a simple, inexpensive experiment  not
  nearly as much trouble as people suggest.

 I tried waxing the chain once, on my commuter.  Next morning it began
 raining as I was riding to work.  I got 0.1 mi down the road and the
 chain began squeaking.



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[RBW] Venturing Crew 999 S240

2010-05-17 Thread manueljohnacosta
Venturing Crew 999 went on an overnight/biking trip to Grant Ranch.
Some arrived by car, others by bike.Those crazy enough to biked with
me to Grant Ranch climbed over 1000 feet of elevation over San Jose.
They were constantly lied too about how much further it was till we
descended, not because I wanted to give them false hope, but because I
totally forgot how long the road was. Mr.Smith and Mrs. Salcedo drove
the rest of the venturers to set up camp ahead of us. At camp we had
burgers, hot dogs, pork meat balls and the classic camping food of all
time, Balut! For those not familiar, Balut is a Filipino dish, which
is basically fetal duck egg. The next day the crew took shuttle runs
to the top of Mt. Hamiliton and rode bikes down from the top with
Mr.Taube and Mr.Smith. For those biking down 4000+ feet of elevation
topping over 30+ mph they needed nerves of steel and amazing
coordination to make it down in one piece. On the way back home those
daring went with on a mountain biking trail back to LCPA with me.
Starting from the park entrance I took them up Halls Valley Trail,
then taking Washburn Trail down. Plenty of climbing and bumpy
descents, mixed in with a couple of spills made it a life changing
moment for the three young men that joined me. Despite the big focus
on biking, it was more of a bonding experience for themselves, to see
how much they can push their bodies and minds to that limit and to go
further. This is the type of learning that can't be taught in a
classroom!Congrats and thanks goes to all the advisors and venturers
who made the trip amazing! Also big thanks to Mr.Rodriguez, Mr.Smith
and Cycles of Change for loaning bikes for the trip!

- Manny  It's just one more ridge Acosta

Pictures can be found here:

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RE: [RBW] Re: bar ends for woodies?

2010-05-17 Thread Frederick, Steve
Ritchey makes a bar end for bars with more sweep--the clamps are angled so that 
they don't stick outward.  I had a set on some 17-degree sweep bars I used to 
run and they worked pretty well.  I don't know how much sweep the Bull Moose 
bars have but from pics it looks like at least that much.

They are just basic black barends so no aesthetic match for your woodies.  I 
suppose you could cover them in leather or something...

They're not Riv-ish but I have a spare set--contact me off list if you'd like 
to try them.  

Steve

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: bar ends for woodies?


yeah, you are right - M-bars would provide more positions, but i didn't fall in 
love with them on an XO-1 i had.. 

and i get at least 2 positions from the bull moose.. but just not a bar-endy 
one.  

the mtn-bike bar ends are what i mean - or even the little stubby ovals that 
bolt on perpendicular, although with the swept back angle either of those might 
not really work - not sure.

best,
andrew


On May 16, 2010, at 4:26 AM, Johnny Alien wrote:

 I think he means mountain bike style bar ends like these:
 
 http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31uaJgWGd1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
 
 THe answer is to get a set of Mustache bars and sell me that Bullmoose
 set. :)
 
 Seriously though I think the Mustache bars will provide more positions
 and you can still use the wood grips.
 
 On May 15, 2:18 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote:
 A natural cork might do the job, or a rubber Velox plug.
 
 On May 14, 9:04 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i've got a Sam with emwoodied bullmoose bars.. thinking some bar-ends might 
 make sense for an upcoming century. it's a mostly flat one, but just for 
 the hand position variation... but i don't want to totally destroy the 
 old-skool woody look..  
 
 so anyone know of bar ends that are wooden?  :)  or maybe can suggest 
 something that would aesthetically work well to add a hand position or two, 
 and replace that aged-copper colored plug/cap that come with the woodies?  
 
 cheers,
 andrew
 
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[RBW] duluth pack

2010-05-17 Thread scott
Hey everyone,
I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again.
Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a
saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of
the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar
version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part.
Scott

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[RBW] Re: Bombadill fork crown braze ons?

2010-05-17 Thread Garth

These are standard braze-ons for the Bombadil. For the Atlantis, it
was a running change for later models.

There's no specific rack for these, just another mounting option for
some of the Nitto's, like Mark's rack .

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Re: [RBW] splat-'onnection in back

2010-05-17 Thread CycloFiend
on 5/17/10 7:56 AM, Grant Petersen at gr...@rivbike.com wrote:
 THe first sample laces like a shoe. We'll go with something faster-easier-,
 maybe one eyelet on each side, and adjustable with cord-lock. Not sure, but
 have time to work it out. These will also keep foxtails and tics out of sox.
 The design may be too simple for public acceptance, though.

I think it's pretty inspired.

After another winter of yet again finding that another waterproof shoe
cover I bought wasn't, these have caught my attention.

For me, my old neoprene booties are the only ones which were mostly
waterproof, but they made/make my feet hellishly hot under most conditions.
Plus, you end up sweating enough to offset any water-shedding effects.

These S.P.L.A.T.S  (me thinks: Strategically Placed Layers Against The
Spray) are interesting. Vented from below to keep air moving around.
Waterproof atop where you need it.

The permeable spot would be at the ankle joint, as water tends to run down
your shins when it's really raining.  But, I'm willing to try them...

- Jim


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Re: [RBW] duluth pack

2010-05-17 Thread Brian Hanson
Link?

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:20 AM, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey everyone,
I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again.
 Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a
 saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of
 the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar
 version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part.
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[RBW] Re: duluth pack

2010-05-17 Thread scott
http://duluthpack.com/outdoor-gear/biking

On May 17, 11:47 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:
 Link?





 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:20 AM, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hey everyone,
     I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again.
  Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a
  saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of
  the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar
  version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part.
     Scott

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RE: [RBW] Re: Cork, Tape, and Shellac

2010-05-17 Thread Frederick, Steve
Blindrobert wrote, in part:
...the fender was not effective once I got up over 14mph or so 

I similarly cropped the rear fender on my Rawland Olaf singlespeed/fixie and 
found it similarly ineffective.  Since I was using SKS fenders, I just used the 
quick release attachments that comes with SKS front fenders on the rear too and 
that works well enough for wheel removal...

Steve

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[RBW] Re: bar ends for woodies?

2010-05-17 Thread Jeremy Till
I don't know of any mass produced woodie bar ends, but they might not
be hard to make...get a dowel of comfortable diameter, cut them down
to the length you want, miter the end so it ends up at a good angle
even with the backsweep on the bullmoose, then think of some kind of
attachment.  Maybe some kind of hose clamp, or the band from an old
pair of (road) brake levers with a bolt going into the wood?  You may
even be able to do it with some creative lashing...leather cord, or
good old twine 'n shellac?

On May 16, 7:07 am, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, you are right - M-bars would provide more positions, but i didn't fall 
 in love with them on an XO-1 i had..

 and i get at least 2 positions from the bull moose.. but just not a bar-endy 
 one.  

 the mtn-bike bar ends are what i mean - or even the little stubby ovals that 
 bolt on perpendicular, although with the swept back angle either of those 
 might not really work - not sure.

 best,
 andrew

 On May 16, 2010, at 4:26 AM, Johnny Alien wrote:



  I think he means mountain bike style bar ends like these:

 http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31uaJgWGd1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

  THe answer is to get a set of Mustache bars and sell me that Bullmoose
  set. :)

  Seriously though I think the Mustache bars will provide more positions
  and you can still use the wood grips.

  On May 15, 2:18 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote:
  A natural cork might do the job, or a rubber Velox plug.

  On May 14, 9:04 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:

  i've got a Sam with emwoodied bullmoose bars.. thinking some bar-ends 
  might make sense for an upcoming century. it's a mostly flat one, but 
  just for the hand position variation... but i don't want to totally 
  destroy the old-skool woody look..  

  so anyone know of bar ends that are wooden?  :)  or maybe can suggest 
  something that would aesthetically work well to add a hand position or 
  two, and replace that aged-copper colored plug/cap that come with the 
  woodies?  

  cheers,
  andrew

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[RBW] WTB: Michelin 650b tires

2010-05-17 Thread Lesli
Looking to buy some new old stock 650b Michelin Megamium or Axial Raid
tires.  I'm looking for a 650b x 28c tire for randonneuring.  I've had
great luck with the Michelins but my supply is dwindling and I'd like
to swap out tires before my June 1000k.

Here's my 650b riv on my most recent brevet, the SIR 400k

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/4614189660/

Let me know if you have any you'd like to sell.

Thanks,

Lesli Larson
Eugene, OR

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[RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread William
In my opinion, the key step in those instructions is starting with an
absolutely clean chain.  Bare metal clean.  Then your results ought to
be very good.

On May 17, 8:34 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've found that if you stew the chain in the melted wax for half an hour
 the chain won't squeak as quickly as it does if you keep it in  for just a
 few minutes. Half an hour is not a period scientifically determined, but it
 does work better than five minutes.

 Stewing -- this also keeps the chain from stretching; must affect the
 molecules in a good way.

 So stew it before you give up on it.

 And, finally, an old crockpot with your neighbors' old ornamental candle
 ends works very well. I put a small grate on the bottom to keep the chain
 off of the dirt that sinks to the bottom of the pot, and simply toss the
 chain onto the cold wax and turn it on high and walk away, coming back in
 half an hour or more. Haven't burned anything down yet.



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  On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 08:18 -0700, doug peterson wrote:
   I wax my chains  do so on my Atlantis just before each tour.  I can't
   recall the chain ever squeaking or given other indication of lack of
   lube.  A tour a couple of years ago was in the fall  we had rain
   quite frequently, often heavy.  You won't know how it works for you
   unless you give it a try.  It's a simple, inexpensive experiment  not
   nearly as much trouble as people suggest.

  I tried waxing the chain once, on my commuter.  Next morning it began
  raining as I was riding to work.  I got 0.1 mi down the road and the
  chain began squeaking.

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[RBW] Re: Venturing Crew 999 S240

2010-05-17 Thread Rick
Great shots and looks like an excellent adventure.  Not entirely sure
about the fetal duck egg dinner, but I have an open mind on such
topics.

On May 17, 11:37 am, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Venturing Crew 999 went on an overnight/biking trip to Grant Ranch.
 Some arrived by car, others by bike.Those crazy enough to biked with
 me to Grant Ranch climbed over 1000 feet of elevation over San Jose.
 They were constantly lied too about how much further it was till we
 descended, not because I wanted to give them false hope, but because I
 totally forgot how long the road was. Mr.Smith and Mrs. Salcedo drove
 the rest of the venturers to set up camp ahead of us. At camp we had
 burgers, hot dogs, pork meat balls and the classic camping food of all
 time, Balut! For those not familiar, Balut is a Filipino dish, which
 is basically fetal duck egg. The next day the crew took shuttle runs
 to the top of Mt. Hamiliton and rode bikes down from the top with
 Mr.Taube and Mr.Smith. For those biking down 4000+ feet of elevation
 topping over 30+ mph they needed nerves of steel and amazing
 coordination to make it down in one piece. On the way back home those
 daring went with on a mountain biking trail back to LCPA with me.
 Starting from the park entrance I took them up Halls Valley Trail,
 then taking Washburn Trail down. Plenty of climbing and bumpy
 descents, mixed in with a couple of spills made it a life changing
 moment for the three young men that joined me. Despite the big focus
 on biking, it was more of a bonding experience for themselves, to see
 how much they can push their bodies and minds to that limit and to go
 further. This is the type of learning that can't be taught in a
 classroom!Congrats and thanks goes to all the advisors and venturers
 who made the trip amazing! Also big thanks to Mr.Rodriguez, Mr.Smith
 and Cycles of Change for loaning bikes for the trip!

 - Manny  It's just one more ridge Acosta

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 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157624071866620/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:10 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 In my opinion, the key step in those instructions is starting with an
 absolutely clean chain.  Bare metal clean.  Then your results ought to
 be very good.


I politely beg to differ. IME, when you dunk your chain, clean or dirty,
into your wax and let it stew (tm), said wax not only trickles, flows,
insinuates, permeates and penetrates into the tiny, intimate orifices
(hhhm) but, in so doing, washes, carries away and lustralizes the
afflicting dirt and contamination. Just let it stew (tm).

Oh, and I think that stewing prevent chain stretch because it cooks the
molecules and makes them tougher.

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[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Me
Yep, I do.

As in, Cantilever Posts which are brazed-on.

-Scott

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 On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 19:21 -0700, happyriding wrote:
  On May 14, 1:21 am, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
   Paul Comp are THE best brakes made in the world these days.

   -my next ride is going with Racer-canti,

  What is the Paul Racer-canti?  I don't see it on the Paul website.

 He must mean the brazed-on post model.

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[RBW] Cycle Salt Lake Century

2010-05-17 Thread Darin G.
Enjoyed a wonderful century ride on my new Sam on Saturday, complete
with a mini-front rack, small Trunksack and fenders.  Salt Lake City
is not a lugged-steel hot spot and I saw only one other Rivendell
(Atlantis with albatross bars?), a Heron, and a fellow on an RB-1 who
seemed to appreciate that he had a very nice bike but didn't realize
it was a classic.  Lots of curious riders came over to ogle the Sam at
the rest stops and I answered many questions about what kind of bike
it was, its intended purpose (everything!), whether I had restored an
old touring bike, and whether the Brooks saddle hurt (I've been
hearing that question for years).  I think most people presumed I was
riding it for the novelty and they seemed surprised that this is my
only bike (hopefully not for long--A.H.H. whispers to me in dreams).

As some of you know I am new to the Rivendell experience and I was
concerned that I'd miss the quickness of my racing bike.  All
anxieties proved unfounded as I was so comfortable on the bike that I
rode the second half much faster than the first and finished with
sufficient gas in the tank to go considerably further if necessary.

I can't wait to ride it home from work today.

D.G.

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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 12:21 -0700, Me wrote:
 Yep, I do.
 
 As in, Cantilever Posts which are brazed-on.

Except that in this case, they're not for cantilever brakes, but rather
for centerpulls.



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Re: [RBW] Cycle Salt Lake Century

2010-05-17 Thread andrew hill
hi Darin,

i'm planning my first century, also on a Sam, in about three weeks, and i'm 
curious what kind of bars and tires you rode with.

thanks,
andrew

On May 17, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Darin G. wrote:

 Enjoyed a wonderful century ride on my new Sam on Saturday, complete
 with a mini-front rack, small Trunksack and fenders.  Salt Lake City
 is not a lugged-steel hot spot and I saw only one other Rivendell
 (Atlantis with albatross bars?), a Heron, and a fellow on an RB-1 who
 seemed to appreciate that he had a very nice bike but didn't realize
 it was a classic.  Lots of curious riders came over to ogle the Sam at
 the rest stops and I answered many questions about what kind of bike
 it was, its intended purpose (everything!), whether I had restored an
 old touring bike, and whether the Brooks saddle hurt (I've been
 hearing that question for years).  I think most people presumed I was
 riding it for the novelty and they seemed surprised that this is my
 only bike (hopefully not for long--A.H.H. whispers to me in dreams).
 
 As some of you know I am new to the Rivendell experience and I was
 concerned that I'd miss the quickness of my racing bike.  All
 anxieties proved unfounded as I was so comfortable on the bike that I
 rode the second half much faster than the first and finished with
 sufficient gas in the tank to go considerably further if necessary.
 
 I can't wait to ride it home from work today.
 
 D.G.
 
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Re: [RBW] Venturing Crew 999 S240

2010-05-17 Thread Rene Sterental
What is the Venturing Crew 999?

On 5/17/10, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Great shots and looks like an excellent adventure.  Not entirely sure
 about the fetal duck egg dinner, but I have an open mind on such
 topics.

 On May 17, 11:37 am, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 Venturing Crew 999 went on an overnight/biking trip to Grant Ranch.
 Some arrived by car, others by bike.Those crazy enough to biked with
 me to Grant Ranch climbed over 1000 feet of elevation over San Jose.
 They were constantly lied too about how much further it was till we
 descended, not because I wanted to give them false hope, but because I
 totally forgot how long the road was. Mr.Smith and Mrs. Salcedo drove
 the rest of the venturers to set up camp ahead of us. At camp we had
 burgers, hot dogs, pork meat balls and the classic camping food of all
 time, Balut! For those not familiar, Balut is a Filipino dish, which
 is basically fetal duck egg. The next day the crew took shuttle runs
 to the top of Mt. Hamiliton and rode bikes down from the top with
 Mr.Taube and Mr.Smith. For those biking down 4000+ feet of elevation
 topping over 30+ mph they needed nerves of steel and amazing
 coordination to make it down in one piece. On the way back home those
 daring went with on a mountain biking trail back to LCPA with me.
 Starting from the park entrance I took them up Halls Valley Trail,
 then taking Washburn Trail down. Plenty of climbing and bumpy
 descents, mixed in with a couple of spills made it a life changing
 moment for the three young men that joined me. Despite the big focus
 on biking, it was more of a bonding experience for themselves, to see
 how much they can push their bodies and minds to that limit and to go
 further. This is the type of learning that can't be taught in a
 classroom!Congrats and thanks goes to all the advisors and venturers
 who made the trip amazing! Also big thanks to Mr.Rodriguez, Mr.Smith
 and Cycles of Change for loaning bikes for the trip!

 - Manny  It's just one more ridge Acosta

 Pictures can be found here:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157624071866620/

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[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread S.Cutshall
True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were
originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not
centerpulls].

;-)

-Scott

On May 17, 12:26 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 12:21 -0700, Me wrote:
  Yep, I do.

  As in, Cantilever Posts which are brazed-on.

 Except that in this case, they're not for cantilever brakes, but rather
 for centerpulls.

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[RBW] Re: Cycle Salt Lake Century

2010-05-17 Thread Darin G.
I rode Nitto Noodle bars and Jack Brown Blues for tires.  I'd been
planning to put on a faster tire per the suggestions to my Speed Up
My Sam post but I didn't get around to it.  I have the top of the
stem about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch above the saddle height and the bars
angled so the ramp down to the brake hoods is almost perfectly
level.  I can ride in the drops, on the hoods, on the ramp or the
top of the bar with equal ease.

On May 17, 1:31 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi Darin,

 i'm planning my first century, also on a Sam, in about three weeks, and i'm 
 curious what kind of bars and tires you rode with.

 thanks,
 andrew

 On May 17, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Darin G. wrote:





  Enjoyed a wonderful century ride on my new Sam on Saturday, complete
  with a mini-front rack, small Trunksack and fenders.  Salt Lake City
  is not a lugged-steel hot spot and I saw only one other Rivendell
  (Atlantis with albatross bars?), a Heron, and a fellow on an RB-1 who
  seemed to appreciate that he had a very nice bike but didn't realize
  it was a classic.  Lots of curious riders came over to ogle the Sam at
  the rest stops and I answered many questions about what kind of bike
  it was, its intended purpose (everything!), whether I had restored an
  old touring bike, and whether the Brooks saddle hurt (I've been
  hearing that question for years).  I think most people presumed I was
  riding it for the novelty and they seemed surprised that this is my
  only bike (hopefully not for long--A.H.H. whispers to me in dreams).

  As some of you know I am new to the Rivendell experience and I was
  concerned that I'd miss the quickness of my racing bike.  All
  anxieties proved unfounded as I was so comfortable on the bike that I
  rode the second half much faster than the first and finished with
  sufficient gas in the tank to go considerably further if necessary.

  I can't wait to ride it home from work today.

  D.G.

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[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Patrick in VT


On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were
 originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not
 centerpulls].

hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever
posts, it wouldn't work out so well.

and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever
posts.

are there any epistemologists on this list?  can a cantilever post
*be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it?

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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:



 are there any epistemologists on this list?  can a cantilever post
 *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it?

 It's only a cantilever post if it is actually, at this moment, supporting a
cantilever brake arm. Otherwise it's only a potential cantilever post.

Patrick if a tree falls in the forest, etc etc etc Moore

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[RBW] Re: Venturing Crew 999 S240

2010-05-17 Thread manueljohnacosta
Venturing  is part of the program of the Boy Scouts of America for
young adults, men and women, from the age of 14 years old or 13 years
old and completed eighth grade through 12

On May 17, 12:31 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 What is the Venturing Crew 999?

 On 5/17/10, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:





  Great shots and looks like an excellent adventure.  Not entirely sure
  about the fetal duck egg dinner, but I have an open mind on such
  topics.

  On May 17, 11:37 am, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
  Venturing Crew 999 went on an overnight/biking trip to Grant Ranch.
  Some arrived by car, others by bike.Those crazy enough to biked with
  me to Grant Ranch climbed over 1000 feet of elevation over San Jose.
  They were constantly lied too about how much further it was till we
  descended, not because I wanted to give them false hope, but because I
  totally forgot how long the road was. Mr.Smith and Mrs. Salcedo drove
  the rest of the venturers to set up camp ahead of us. At camp we had
  burgers, hot dogs, pork meat balls and the classic camping food of all
  time, Balut! For those not familiar, Balut is a Filipino dish, which
  is basically fetal duck egg. The next day the crew took shuttle runs
  to the top of Mt. Hamiliton and rode bikes down from the top with
  Mr.Taube and Mr.Smith. For those biking down 4000+ feet of elevation
  topping over 30+ mph they needed nerves of steel and amazing
  coordination to make it down in one piece. On the way back home those
  daring went with on a mountain biking trail back to LCPA with me.
  Starting from the park entrance I took them up Halls Valley Trail,
  then taking Washburn Trail down. Plenty of climbing and bumpy
  descents, mixed in with a couple of spills made it a life changing
  moment for the three young men that joined me. Despite the big focus
  on biking, it was more of a bonding experience for themselves, to see
  how much they can push their bodies and minds to that limit and to go
  further. This is the type of learning that can't be taught in a
  classroom!Congrats and thanks goes to all the advisors and venturers
  who made the trip amazing! Also big thanks to Mr.Rodriguez, Mr.Smith
  and Cycles of Change for loaning bikes for the trip!

  - Manny  It's just one more ridge Acosta

  Pictures can be found here:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157624071866620/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycle Salt Lake Century

2010-05-17 Thread andrew hill
thanks - i'm 99% sure i'm leaving my Schwalbe Mara Sups on - so i'll be doing a 
slower ride probably :)


On May 17, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Darin G. wrote:

 I rode Nitto Noodle bars and Jack Brown Blues for tires.  I'd been
 planning to put on a faster tire per the suggestions to my Speed Up
 My Sam post but I didn't get around to it.  I have the top of the
 stem about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch above the saddle height and the bars
 angled so the ramp down to the brake hoods is almost perfectly
 level.  I can ride in the drops, on the hoods, on the ramp or the
 top of the bar with equal ease.
 
 On May 17, 1:31 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi Darin,
 
 i'm planning my first century, also on a Sam, in about three weeks, and i'm 
 curious what kind of bars and tires you rode with.
 
 thanks,
 andrew
 
 On May 17, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Darin G. wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Enjoyed a wonderful century ride on my new Sam on Saturday, complete
 with a mini-front rack, small Trunksack and fenders.  Salt Lake City
 is not a lugged-steel hot spot and I saw only one other Rivendell
 (Atlantis with albatross bars?), a Heron, and a fellow on an RB-1 who
 seemed to appreciate that he had a very nice bike but didn't realize
 it was a classic.  Lots of curious riders came over to ogle the Sam at
 the rest stops and I answered many questions about what kind of bike
 it was, its intended purpose (everything!), whether I had restored an
 old touring bike, and whether the Brooks saddle hurt (I've been
 hearing that question for years).  I think most people presumed I was
 riding it for the novelty and they seemed surprised that this is my
 only bike (hopefully not for long--A.H.H. whispers to me in dreams).
 
 As some of you know I am new to the Rivendell experience and I was
 concerned that I'd miss the quickness of my racing bike.  All
 anxieties proved unfounded as I was so comfortable on the bike that I
 rode the second half much faster than the first and finished with
 sufficient gas in the tank to go considerably further if necessary.
 
 I can't wait to ride it home from work today.
 
 D.G.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Venturing Crew 999 S240

2010-05-17 Thread Rene Sterental
Sounds like a great program and a great leadership activity you're doing!

René

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[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Patrick in VT


On May 17, 4:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's only a cantilever post if it is actually, at this moment, supporting a
 cantilever brake arm. Otherwise it's only a potential cantilever post.

 Patrick if a tree falls in the forest, etc etc etc Moore

Thank you, Patrick.  I have a hard time with such questions.  And, so
it follows that since the racer mount is not supporting - indeed, it
has not event the potential to support - a cantilever brake, we can
not rightly refer to this mount as a cantilever post, lest we violate
certain laws of truth and knowledge.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Michelin 650b tires

2010-05-17 Thread Aaron Thomas
Why is your bike called pencil?

On May 17, 11:00 am, Lesli lesli.lar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking to buy some new old stock 650b Michelin Megamium or Axial Raid
 tires.  I'm looking for a 650b x 28c tire for randonneuring.  I've had
 great luck with the Michelins but my supply is dwindling and I'd like
 to swap out tires before my June 1000k.

 Here's my 650b riv on my most recent brevet, the SIR 400k

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/4614189660/

 Let me know if you have any you'd like to sell.

 Thanks,

 Lesli Larson
 Eugene, OR

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[RBW] Re: Cycle Salt Lake Century

2010-05-17 Thread Darin G.
Go big!  My ride was about 8% slower than my last century and 80% more
enjoyable.  In fact, I enjoyed every minute of it!  I wish you the
same experience.

D.G.

On May 17, 2:21 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks - i'm 99% sure i'm leaving my Schwalbe Mara Sups on - so i'll be doing 
 a slower ride probably :)

 On May 17, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Darin G. wrote:





  I rode Nitto Noodle bars and Jack Brown Blues for tires.  I'd been
  planning to put on a faster tire per the suggestions to my Speed Up
  My Sam post but I didn't get around to it.  I have the top of the
  stem about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch above the saddle height and the bars
  angled so the ramp down to the brake hoods is almost perfectly
  level.  I can ride in the drops, on the hoods, on the ramp or the
  top of the bar with equal ease.

  On May 17, 1:31 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi Darin,

  i'm planning my first century, also on a Sam, in about three weeks, and 
  i'm curious what kind of bars and tires you rode with.

  thanks,
  andrew

  On May 17, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Darin G. wrote:

  Enjoyed a wonderful century ride on my new Sam on Saturday, complete
  with a mini-front rack, small Trunksack and fenders.  Salt Lake City
  is not a lugged-steel hot spot and I saw only one other Rivendell
  (Atlantis with albatross bars?), a Heron, and a fellow on an RB-1 who
  seemed to appreciate that he had a very nice bike but didn't realize
  it was a classic.  Lots of curious riders came over to ogle the Sam at
  the rest stops and I answered many questions about what kind of bike
  it was, its intended purpose (everything!), whether I had restored an
  old touring bike, and whether the Brooks saddle hurt (I've been
  hearing that question for years).  I think most people presumed I was
  riding it for the novelty and they seemed surprised that this is my
  only bike (hopefully not for long--A.H.H. whispers to me in dreams).

  As some of you know I am new to the Rivendell experience and I was
  concerned that I'd miss the quickness of my racing bike.  All
  anxieties proved unfounded as I was so comfortable on the bike that I
  rode the second half much faster than the first and finished with
  sufficient gas in the tank to go considerably further if necessary.

  I can't wait to ride it home from work today.

  D.G.

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[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread happyriding
Thanks Steve!

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Michelin 650b tires

2010-05-17 Thread CycloFiend
on 5/17/10 1:50 PM, Aaron Thomas at aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why is your bike called pencil?

I'd hazard a guess that it's nearly the same hue as a proofer's pencil.

- J used to do that, once upon a time...

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Michelin 650b tires

2010-05-17 Thread Gino Zahnd
http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/380229630/in/set-72157594300251903/

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:
 Why is your bike called pencil?

 On May 17, 11:00 am, Lesli lesli.lar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking to buy some new old stock 650b Michelin Megamium or Axial Raid
 tires.  I'm looking for a 650b x 28c tire for randonneuring.  I've had
 great luck with the Michelins but my supply is dwindling and I'd like
 to swap out tires before my June 1000k.

 Here's my 650b riv on my most recent brevet, the SIR 400k

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/4614189660/

 Let me know if you have any you'd like to sell.

 Thanks,

 Lesli Larson
 Eugene, OR

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[RBW] Re: Venturing Crew 999 S240

2010-05-17 Thread William
Balut?!  I'll keep it to longanisa.  Diniguan is about as hard-core as
I get.

On May 17, 1:10 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Venturing  is part of the program of the Boy Scouts of America for
 young adults, men and women, from the age of 14 years old or 13 years
 old and completed eighth grade through 12

 On May 17, 12:31 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:



  What is the Venturing Crew 999?

  On 5/17/10, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Great shots and looks like an excellent adventure.  Not entirely sure
   about the fetal duck egg dinner, but I have an open mind on such
   topics.

   On May 17, 11:37 am, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
   Venturing Crew 999 went on an overnight/biking trip to Grant Ranch.
   Some arrived by car, others by bike.Those crazy enough to biked with
   me to Grant Ranch climbed over 1000 feet of elevation over San Jose.
   They were constantly lied too about how much further it was till we
   descended, not because I wanted to give them false hope, but because I
   totally forgot how long the road was. Mr.Smith and Mrs. Salcedo drove
   the rest of the venturers to set up camp ahead of us. At camp we had
   burgers, hot dogs, pork meat balls and the classic camping food of all
   time, Balut! For those not familiar, Balut is a Filipino dish, which
   is basically fetal duck egg. The next day the crew took shuttle runs
   to the top of Mt. Hamiliton and rode bikes down from the top with
   Mr.Taube and Mr.Smith. For those biking down 4000+ feet of elevation
   topping over 30+ mph they needed nerves of steel and amazing
   coordination to make it down in one piece. On the way back home those
   daring went with on a mountain biking trail back to LCPA with me.
   Starting from the park entrance I took them up Halls Valley Trail,
   then taking Washburn Trail down. Plenty of climbing and bumpy
   descents, mixed in with a couple of spills made it a life changing
   moment for the three young men that joined me. Despite the big focus
   on biking, it was more of a bonding experience for themselves, to see
   how much they can push their bodies and minds to that limit and to go
   further. This is the type of learning that can't be taught in a
   classroom!Congrats and thanks goes to all the advisors and venturers
   who made the trip amazing! Also big thanks to Mr.Rodriguez, Mr.Smith
   and Cycles of Change for loaning bikes for the trip!

   - Manny  It's just one more ridge Acosta

   Pictures can be found here:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157624071866620/

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[RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread William
I'll take your word for it.  I've not tried stewing on a truly dirty
chain, but I have always stewed.  If that's true, then you could coat
a quarter in grease and leave one clean, drop them both in the stew
and they'd be indistiguishable when they came out, right?  Imagine the
wasted time at the solvent tank that I'll never have back!  Rats!

Two different ways to get to the same required level
of...ummintimacy, i suppose.

On May 17, 11:33 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:10 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  In my opinion, the key step in those instructions is starting with an
  absolutely clean chain.  Bare metal clean.  Then your results ought to
  be very good.

 I politely beg to differ. IME, when you dunk your chain, clean or dirty,
 into your wax and let it stew (tm), said wax not only trickles, flows,
 insinuates, permeates and penetrates into the tiny, intimate orifices
 (hhhm) but, in so doing, washes, carries away and lustralizes the
 afflicting dirt and contamination. Just let it stew (tm).

 Oh, and I think that stewing prevent chain stretch because it cooks the
 molecules and makes them tougher.

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[RBW] Re: Another camera to shoot your Riv with

2010-05-17 Thread jose

I just downloaded Camerabag.  Looks right in my wheelhouse.  Thanks!

On May 17, 8:42 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
 Very nice! I just bought the Hipstamatic app last week. As a cyclist, I was 
 also compelled to buy the Pprtland expansion pack :-)

 Have you also tried Camerabag?

 --Eric

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 On May 16, 2010, at 9:40 PM, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote:





  I've found that the dreamy analog touch of some iphone photography
  apps goes well with the dreamy analog touch of my Rivendell. :)

  Here are some shots I took today exploring the bayou paths downtown on
  my Atlantis:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/sets/72157623951607973/

  Some shots were taken with Hipstamatic and some with ShakeItPhoto.

  I think the saying The best camera is the one you got definitely
  applies to my iphone. But in addition to the convenience factor,
  there's also a fun factor that sometimes trumps all the megapixels of
  my fancier cameras.

  Maybe I have a liking for that analog look because that's what my
  childhood pictures are in, or perhaps its a hardwired preference
  similar to liking Impressionist paintings. I dunno, but I dig it.

  I realize some of you may scoff at the idea of techy fake analog. I
  think GP himself may not even do digital.

  But for those you shooting entirely digital yet find the analog look
  appealing, here's another option.

  Have fun,
  -- J.

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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Horace
What where they called when they were sitting around the bike builder's
shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry, too amusing
not to ask.

Horace.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:



 On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
  True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were
  originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not
  centerpulls].

 hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever
 posts, it wouldn't work out so well.

 and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever
 posts.

 are there any epistemologists on this list?  can a cantilever post
 *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it?

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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 15:15 -0700, Horace wrote:
 What where they called when they were sitting around the bike
 builder's shop? What was the label on the box that they came in
 Sorry, too amusing not to ask.

According to the Paul web site, they are ...centerpull brake bosses.
These are similar to cantilever bosses, but are in a different position.

It is important to note that the Braze-On Racer does not mount to brake
bosses in the standard cantilever position, nor will it fit on U-Brake
bosses. Framebuilders should refer to the included instructions for
mounting dimensions, or email i...@paulcomp.com for more information.

-- http://paulcomp.com/racer.html



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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Gino Zahnd
They were called cantilever bosses.

(I think this thread is now officially not RBW in nature.)





On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
 What where they called when they were sitting around the bike builder's
 shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry, too amusing
 not to ask.

 Horace.

 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:


 On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
  True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were
  originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not
  centerpulls].

 hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever
 posts, it wouldn't work out so well.

 and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever
 posts.

 are there any epistemologists on this list?  can a cantilever post
 *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it?

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[RBW] WTB: a White industry dingle

2010-05-17 Thread tarik saleh
Yeah, I have a completely non-riv dumb project that would be enhanced
greatly by a White iNdustried Dingle cog. I normally would not ask
here, but last time I was looking for some white industries BMX
freewheels, I got multiple dingle offers from QB owners who shed the
dingle. If you have one in the parts box in almost any useable
condition please email me. (same goes for other single cogged normal
white industry bmx freewheels, only the white industry ones).

Thanks

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

2010-05-17 Thread Johnny Alien
Only large Bullmoose bars in stock now and I need the 150 reach.  Also
they are no longer doing the clear powdercoating.

Thusly I am still on the prowl as it will be awhile until Riv gets
them and I could use them now.  I will trade you cold hard cash for a
set.

On May 14, 7:33 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 I thought I would move this up as I didn't realize that Rivendell was
 out of them and of course there is nowhere else to get them.  Thusly
 used is my only method right now and there is no date as to when
 Rivendell is getting them back.

 Anyone want to help me out and make some cash in the process? :)

 On May 13, 6:42 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:





  Yeah that is what I was looking at. If there were only 50 made that
  may explain it. I may just decide to pick up a new one then.  I
  definitely don't want one with a longer extension/reach.

  On May 13, 6:17 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

   If you're talking about the latest Riv/Nittobullmoose, they only made
   50 of them in the first run, so there aren't a lot available to be re-
   sold. I love mine and it's not for sale. I know they are working on a
   version with a longer extension, but I don't know when they'll have
   some more in stock.

   jim m
   wc ca

   On May 13, 2:55 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

I think I definitely want to go with the Nitto style.  Seems like
there are always other bars for sale used but these don't pop up alot.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

2010-05-17 Thread andrew hill
i wasn't aware there were two sizes..?  
aren't the smaller just cut down larger? :)

-a

On May 17, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:

 Only large Bullmoose bars in stock now and I need the 150 reach.  Also
 they are no longer doing the clear powdercoating.
 
 Thusly I am still on the prowl as it will be awhile until Riv gets
 them and I could use them now.  I will trade you cold hard cash for a
 set.
 
 On May 14, 7:33 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 I thought I would move this up as I didn't realize that Rivendell was
 out of them and of course there is nowhere else to get them.  Thusly
 used is my only method right now and there is no date as to when
 Rivendell is getting them back.
 
 Anyone want to help me out and make some cash in the process? :)
 
 On May 13, 6:42 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Yeah that is what I was looking at. If there were only 50 made that
 may explain it. I may just decide to pick up a new one then.  I
 definitely don't want one with a longer extension/reach.
 
 On May 13, 6:17 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you're talking about the latest Riv/Nittobullmoose, they only made
 50 of them in the first run, so there aren't a lot available to be re-
 sold. I love mine and it's not for sale. I know they are working on a
 version with a longer extension, but I don't know when they'll have
 some more in stock.
 
 jim m
 wc ca
 
 On May 13, 2:55 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I think I definitely want to go with the Nitto style.  Seems like
 there are always other bars for sale used but these don't pop up alot.
 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: a White industry dingle

2010-05-17 Thread MichaelH
OK Tarik, I'll bite, whats a Dingle cog?

Michael, an old guy who never rode a fixie

On May 17, 6:23 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah, I have a completely non-riv dumb project that would be enhanced
 greatly by a White iNdustried Dingle cog. I normally would not ask
 here, but last time I was looking for some white industries BMX
 freewheels, I got multiple dingle offers from QB owners who shed the
 dingle. If you have one in the parts box in almost any useable
 condition please email me. (same goes for other single cogged normal
 white industry bmx freewheels, only the white industry ones).

 Thanks

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

2010-05-17 Thread Johnny Alien
They are bringing out a second one with a longer reach.  The first one
was 150 and the new one is 200.  Both will be available but at the
moment they only got the 200 in.  They are finishing them so they
won't be on the site for a few more weeks.

Maybe someone that has a set now that thinks they could use the longer
reach would want to sell me theirs so they could get the new size???

:)

On May 17, 6:54 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 i wasn't aware there were two sizes..?  
 aren't the smaller just cut down larger? :)

 -a

 On May 17, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:





  Only large Bullmoose bars in stock now and I need the 150 reach.  Also
  they are no longer doing the clear powdercoating.

  Thusly I am still on the prowl as it will be awhile until Riv gets
  them and I could use them now.  I will trade you cold hard cash for a
  set.

  On May 14, 7:33 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
  I thought I would move this up as I didn't realize that Rivendell was
  out of them and of course there is nowhere else to get them.  Thusly
  used is my only method right now and there is no date as to when
  Rivendell is getting them back.

  Anyone want to help me out and make some cash in the process? :)

  On May 13, 6:42 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

  Yeah that is what I was looking at. If there were only 50 made that
  may explain it. I may just decide to pick up a new one then.  I
  definitely don't want one with a longer extension/reach.

  On May 13, 6:17 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

  If you're talking about the latest Riv/Nittobullmoose, they only made
  50 of them in the first run, so there aren't a lot available to be re-
  sold. I love mine and it's not for sale. I know they are working on a
  version with a longer extension, but I don't know when they'll have
  some more in stock.

  jim m
  wc ca

  On May 13, 2:55 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

  I think I definitely want to go with the Nitto style.  Seems like
  there are always other bars for sale used but these don't pop up alot.

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[RBW] Re: duluth pack

2010-05-17 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
I cannot understand how the Duluth Pack Hobo bag as pictured can be
attached to a saddle. In fact, as far as I can tell from their
pictures, *they* don't either.

The panniers look like a less fancy and less thoroughly thought
through rendition of the upcoming Riv panniers writ large. They look
*too* large to me (9 deep!). I'm sure some folks will want to use
that space and can avoid heel strike and all that. But I'm looking
forward to the Sackvilles, myself. Price matters, though.

On May 17, 11:50 am, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://duluthpack.com/outdoor-gear/biking

 On May 17, 11:47 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:





  Link?

  On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:20 AM, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hey everyone,
      I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again.
   Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a
   saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of
   the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar
   version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part.
      Scott

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RE: [RBW] Re: WTB: a White industry dingle

2010-05-17 Thread Frederick, Steve
Well, I'm a bit confused--White Industries makes a double freewheel the Dos Eno 
and Surly makes a double fixed gear cog called the dingle.  Tarik, are you 
looking for a coastie or a fixie?
I'm using a Dos Eno freewheel on the Quickbeam and it's a keeper, but I have a 
Surly dingle fixed cog I'd part with.
Steve


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On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 15:58 -0700, MichaelH wrote:
 OK Tarik, I'll bite, whats a Dingle cog?

http://surlybikes.com/parts/dingle_cog/


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Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Perhaps I should clarify and add that by dirty I meant your typical,
after 400 miles of regular use lubed with some squirt bike lube dirty, not
chain-as-bicycle-infrastructure-what-the-hell-do-you-mean-clean-it-after-20-years?
dirty. I think that the hot paraffin would easily take care of your greased
quarter; it's the baked-on-with-age crusty stuff I wonder about.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:57 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll take your word for it.  I've not tried stewing on a truly dirty
 chain, but I have always stewed.  If that's true, then you could coat
 a quarter in grease and leave one clean, drop them both in the stew
 and they'd be indistiguishable when they came out, right?  Imagine the
 wasted time at the solvent tank that I'll never have back!  Rats!

 Two different ways to get to the same required level
 of...ummintimacy, i suppose.

 On May 17, 11:33 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:10 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
   In my opinion, the key step in those instructions is starting with an
   absolutely clean chain.  Bare metal clean.  Then your results ought to
   be very good.
 
  I politely beg to differ. IME, when you dunk your chain, clean or dirty,
  into your wax and let it stew (tm), said wax not only trickles, flows,
  insinuates, permeates and penetrates into the tiny, intimate orifices
  (hhhm) but, in so doing, washes, carries away and lustralizes the
  afflicting dirt and contamination. Just let it stew (tm).
 
  Oh, and I think that stewing prevent chain stretch because it cooks the
  molecules and makes them tougher.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 17:41 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 Perhaps I should clarify and add that by dirty I meant your typical,
 after 400 miles of regular use lubed with some squirt bike lube
 dirty, not
 chain-as-bicycle-infrastructure-what-the-hell-do-you-mean-clean-it-after-20-years?
  dirty. I think that the hot paraffin would easily take care of your greased 
 quarter; it's the baked-on-with-age crusty stuff I wonder about.

Well, sure, but would you ever bother trying to clean a crusty old chain
like that?   



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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: a White industry dingle

2010-05-17 Thread tarik saleh
OK,
Apparently not clear at all.

to be specific I am looking for the white industries two cogged BMX
freewheel. Colloquially this is a dingle freewheel, brand name as
steve points out, it is not.  So yes, Coastie white industrys dos eno
freewheel like the one riv sells. Sorry for the confusion:
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/white-industries-freewheel/13-082
I would like not to double my investment in a dumb project by buying a
new one to try out.  It involves running my big dummy on single speed
hubs as a six speed with three cogs up front for a while, just to see.
see?

Tarik



On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Frederick, Steve
frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:
 Well, I'm a bit confused--White Industries makes a double freewheel the Dos 
 Eno and Surly makes a double fixed gear cog called the dingle.  Tarik, are 
 you looking for a coastie or a fixie?
 I'm using a Dos Eno freewheel on the Quickbeam and it's a keeper, but I have 
 a Surly dingle fixed cog I'd part with.
 Steve


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 On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 15:58 -0700, MichaelH wrote:
 OK Tarik, I'll bite, whats a Dingle cog?

 http://surlybikes.com/parts/dingle_cog/


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Michelin 650b tires

2010-05-17 Thread Lesli
Per the flickr link... The Pencil was painted to match the color (50's
industrial pale blue) of a vintage pencil I found on the floor at
work.   Hence the nickname.  It's actually more Sheltand pony than
pencil.

On May 17, 2:27 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/380229630/in/set-721575...



 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
  Why is your bike called pencil?

  On May 17, 11:00 am, Lesli lesli.lar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Looking to buy some new old stock 650b Michelin Megamium or Axial Raid
  tires.  I'm looking for a 650b x 28c tire for randonneuring.  I've had
  great luck with the Michelins but my supply is dwindling and I'd like
  to swap out tires before my June 1000k.

  Here's my 650b riv on my most recent brevet, the SIR 400k

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/4614189660/

  Let me know if you have any you'd like to sell.

  Thanks,

  Lesli Larson
  Eugene, OR

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

2010-05-17 Thread andrew hill
well, i've got the short ones on my Sam and Bomba.. i'd jump at the option to 
put a long raw clearcoat on the Bomba, and then sell you the short raw 
clearcoat.. if one becomes available, ill do that :)

-a

On May 17, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:

 They are bringing out a second one with a longer reach.  The first one
 was 150 and the new one is 200.  Both will be available but at the
 moment they only got the 200 in.  They are finishing them so they
 won't be on the site for a few more weeks.
 
 Maybe someone that has a set now that thinks they could use the longer
 reach would want to sell me theirs so they could get the new size???
 
 :)
 
 On May 17, 6:54 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 i wasn't aware there were two sizes..?  
 aren't the smaller just cut down larger? :)
 
 -a
 
 On May 17, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Only large Bullmoose bars in stock now and I need the 150 reach.  Also
 they are no longer doing the clear powdercoating.
 
 Thusly I am still on the prowl as it will be awhile until Riv gets
 them and I could use them now.  I will trade you cold hard cash for a
 set.
 
 On May 14, 7:33 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 I thought I would move this up as I didn't realize that Rivendell was
 out of them and of course there is nowhere else to get them.  Thusly
 used is my only method right now and there is no date as to when
 Rivendell is getting them back.
 
 Anyone want to help me out and make some cash in the process? :)
 
 On May 13, 6:42 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Yeah that is what I was looking at. If there were only 50 made that
 may explain it. I may just decide to pick up a new one then.  I
 definitely don't want one with a longer extension/reach.
 
 On May 13, 6:17 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you're talking about the latest Riv/Nittobullmoose, they only made
 50 of them in the first run, so there aren't a lot available to be re-
 sold. I love mine and it's not for sale. I know they are working on a
 version with a longer extension, but I don't know when they'll have
 some more in stock.
 
 jim m
 wc ca
 
 On May 13, 2:55 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I think I definitely want to go with the Nitto style.  Seems like
 there are always other bars for sale used but these don't pop up alot.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Well, Duh!! Because a chain is a permanent part of the bicycle
infrastructure, like the frame, bars and brake pads.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 17:41 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
  Perhaps I should clarify and add that by dirty I meant your typical,
  after 400 miles of regular use lubed with some squirt bike lube
  dirty, not
 
 chain-as-bicycle-infrastructure-what-the-hell-do-you-mean-clean-it-after-20-years?
 dirty. I think that the hot paraffin would easily take care of your greased
 quarter; it's the baked-on-with-age crusty stuff I wonder about.

 Well, sure, but would you ever bother trying to clean a crusty old chain
 like that?



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[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread S.Cutshall
When I apprenticed with a couple different framebuilders, they always
called them 'Bosses' or 'Posts'...

http://www.bikeparts.com/pimage/BPC311130.jpg

I usually called them something far worse when 'cleaning up'  filing
the brazes to smooth.

-Scott

On May 17, 3:15 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
 What where they called when they were sitting around the bike builder's
 shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry, too amusing
 not to ask.

 Horace.

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  On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
   True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were
   originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not
   centerpulls].

  hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever
  posts, it wouldn't work out so well.

  and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever
  posts.

  are there any epistemologists on this list?  can a cantilever post
  *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it?

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[RBW] Re: WTB: a White industry dingle

2010-05-17 Thread S.Cutshall
Okay, let me try to understand this Tarik...

you need a dingle, you want it white and industrial, correct?

-Scott

On May 17, 4:47 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK,
 Apparently not clear at all.

 to be specific I am looking for the white industries two cogged BMX
 freewheel. Colloquially this is a dingle freewheel, brand name as
 steve points out, it is not.  So yes, Coastie white industrys dos eno
 freewheel like the one riv sells. Sorry for the 
 confusion:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/white-industries-freewheel/13-082
 I would like not to double my investment in a dumb project by buying a
 new one to try out.  It involves running my big dummy on single speed
 hubs as a six speed with three cogs up front for a while, just to see.
 see?

 Tarik

 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Frederick, Steve



 frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:
  Well, I'm a bit confused--White Industries makes a double freewheel the Dos 
  Eno and Surly makes a double fixed gear cog called the dingle.  Tarik, are 
  you looking for a coastie or a fixie?
  I'm using a Dos Eno freewheel on the Quickbeam and it's a keeper, but I 
  have a Surly dingle fixed cog I'd part with.
  Steve

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  Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: a White industry dingle

  On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 15:58 -0700, MichaelH wrote:
  OK Tarik, I'll bite, whats a Dingle cog?

 http://surlybikes.com/parts/dingle_cog/

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[RBW] Re: Maybe WTB: 59 Bleriot?

2010-05-17 Thread S.Cutshall
Rob-

What fenders are you running on your Bleriot?

Thanks-

-Scott

On May 16, 10:44 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Went for $990. About twice what I paid brand new a few years ago...yes
 I bought from one of those on-line undercutters...sorry.  Anyway, glad
 to see the Bleriot is getting some attention.   Mines not for
 sale...to busy riding it!  A few pics from yesterday...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502...@n00/sets/72157624076869770/

 On May 16, 3:26 pm, terryg teg...@gmail.com wrote:



  Indeed... I've been watching this with interest.  I'm recently forced
  off bikes (ribs/clavicle/lung as a result of a crash) for a while, so
  I guess I don't really have the urgency to get into another bike
  (there's plenty mental  emotional urgency, just no bodily
  wherewithal).  I think those reasons I cited for getting this for
  myself are valid, only not necessarily timely.

  RoadieRyan, am I correct in understanding there are unpurchased
  Bleriots out there somewhere?  I sure do like building my wheels 
  bikes, but a complete Bleriot is certainly considerable, and of course
  personalizable.

  On May 16, 3:15 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:

   Wow that is almost as much as my LBS wants for their new ones ($1000)

   On May 16, 4:40 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

And the ebay auction is now up to (Slightly past actually) the
original $750 price with 13 hours left.  I am thinking it might hit
closer to $900.

On May 11, 4:23 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:

 On May 11, 3:15 pm, Erik C erikdcarl...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have both a LHT and aBleriot. With stock components the LHT is
  obviously heavier when lifting it. My wife and I lived in a 3rd 
  floor
  apartment in Chicago for 2 years and I would carry the LHT because 
  of
  how much lighter myBleriotwas. MyBleriotisn't really a light
  build either. Standard Riv build with 32H wheelset, racks, fenders,
  etc.

 how much lighter?  2 pounds?  i just don't see how there could be a
 significant weight difference between these two framesets.  if you're
 talking 3 or more pounds lighter or something, it's gotta be in the
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: a White industry dingle

2010-05-17 Thread tarik saleh
Precisely!



On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:10 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 Okay, let me try to understand this Tarik...

 you need a dingle, you want it white and industrial, correct?

 -Scott

 On May 17, 4:47 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK,
 Apparently not clear at all.

 to be specific I am looking for the white industries two cogged BMX
 freewheel. Colloquially this is a dingle freewheel, brand name as
 steve points out, it is not.  So yes, Coastie white industrys dos eno
 freewheel like the one riv sells. Sorry for the 
 confusion:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/white-industries-freewheel/13-082
 I would like not to double my investment in a dumb project by buying a
 new one to try out.  It involves running my big dummy on single speed
 hubs as a six speed with three cogs up front for a while, just to see.
 see?

 Tarik

 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Frederick, Steve



 frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:
  Well, I'm a bit confused--White Industries makes a double freewheel the 
  Dos Eno and Surly makes a double fixed gear cog called the dingle.  Tarik, 
  are you looking for a coastie or a fixie?
  I'm using a Dos Eno freewheel on the Quickbeam and it's a keeper, but I 
  have a Surly dingle fixed cog I'd part with.
  Steve

  -Original Message-
  From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com on behalf of Steve Palincsar
  Sent: Mon 5/17/2010 7:08 PM
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: a White industry dingle

  On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 15:58 -0700, MichaelH wrote:
  OK Tarik, I'll bite, whats a Dingle cog?

 http://surlybikes.com/parts/dingle_cog/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 18:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 Well, Duh!! Because a chain is a permanent part of the bicycle
 infrastructure, like the frame, bars and brake pads.

only if it's rusted in place, otherwise it's a replaceable wear item



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[RBW] Re: duluth pack

2010-05-17 Thread Liesl
Check out Frost River, which, after a hiatus, is back in the saddle.
I believe when the Frost River folks parted ways with Duluth Pack
folks, they got the old riv patterns in the deal?  I'm guessing it was
Frost River that was making the Baggins Keven's Bag and the Baggins
Loafers before Baggins Hobits went away to be replaced by the
Sackville Hobits--worksmanship on the Baggins looks identical to other
Frost River products I own.  But you'll see these FR bags are truer to
the old Baggins saddlebag and pannier designs than the new Duluth
Packs.  Incidently, I love both companies.

cheers,
liesl in minneapolis

http://www.frostriver.com/bike_bags/bikebags_menu.html

On May 17, 11:20 am, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey everyone,
     I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again.
 Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a
 saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of
 the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar
 version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part.
     Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?

2010-05-17 Thread cyclotourist
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:


 I tried waxing the chain once, on my commuter.  Next morning it began
 raining as I was riding to work.  I got 0.1 mi down the road and the
 chain began squeaking.


That's my experience from the few times I've seen h2o with mine.

I have a dedicated fryer filled with a paraffin and graphite mix.  I do
clean the chains just to keep that mixture from getting totally
contaminated.  Powerlinks let me pop the chain off and dunk 'em as
necessary.

The cleanliness aspect is wonderful, although as mentioned, I don't see
moisture and I just ride recreationally.

I put this set together real quick from existing pics to show the process I
use:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157624084142974/

As always, your mileage may vary.




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Re: [RBW] Re: duluth pack

2010-05-17 Thread Bill Connell
IIRC, it was Frost River who last made the Baggins bags, and there was
a difference in opinion over who owned those designs once Riv's
contract with them ended. Frost River was/is selling the exact same
Baggins-design bags under their own label though it sounded from
Grant's post at the time that they had no license or agreement to do
so. I'm sure there's plenty about it in the old Riv list archives.

I understand why Rivendell has moved on, but I like this style of bag a lot.

-- 
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
 Check out Frost River, which, after a hiatus, is back in the saddle.
 I believe when the Frost River folks parted ways with Duluth Pack
 folks, they got the old riv patterns in the deal?  I'm guessing it was
 Frost River that was making the Baggins Keven's Bag and the Baggins
 Loafers before Baggins Hobits went away to be replaced by the
 Sackville Hobits--worksmanship on the Baggins looks identical to other
 Frost River products I own.  But you'll see these FR bags are truer to
 the old Baggins saddlebag and pannier designs than the new Duluth
 Packs.  Incidently, I love both companies.

 cheers,
 liesl in minneapolis

 http://www.frostriver.com/bike_bags/bikebags_menu.html

 On May 17, 11:20 am, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey everyone,
     I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again.
 Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a
 saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of
 the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar
 version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part.
     Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

2010-05-17 Thread Paul Price
That is the correct, or one of the correct posts, or bosses. I  
interchange the terms but they both mean that thing. True, you won't  
be mounting cantilevers on them, but all our brakes use the same  
pivot setup that fits on those.


 There are several different styles, that one in the picture has a  
large offset, it's good for bikes with wide stays/blades. There are  
others with a much straighter path to the frame tube. Those are the  
ones to use, or your frame builder should use. Nova Cycle Supply has  
some pictures of them. Don't look to hard because before you know it  
you'll be shopping for a torchand lug sets and super light  
tubing..and an Anvil frame fixture. I'm suffering that problem as  
I write this.


http://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/CANTI-AND-U-BRAKE- 
BOSSES/


In either case it is important to build a simple fixture to keep the  
distance between the posts correct and keep them parallel to one  
another. Then mount them in the fixture and miter them to fit the  
tubes on the frame. This part is important as the side to side  
distance is critical, and the miters must match, pretty well, the the  
tubes they are to be brazed to.  You can also cut a lot off the end  
to be brazed to the frame tubes to get the brake arms in closer to  
the frame for a stiffer setup.


Paul
www.paulcomp.com
On May 17, 2010, at 6:08 PM, S.Cutshall wrote:


When I apprenticed with a couple different framebuilders, they always
called them 'Bosses' or 'Posts'...

http://www.bikeparts.com/pimage/BPC311130.jpg

I usually called them something far worse when 'cleaning up'  filing
the brazes to smooth.

-Scott

On May 17, 3:15 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
What where they called when they were sitting around the bike  
builder's
shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry,  
too amusing

not to ask.

Horace.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com  
wrote:







On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:

True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were
originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not
centerpulls].



hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever
posts, it wouldn't work out so well.


and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them  
cantilever

posts.



are there any epistemologists on this list?  can a cantilever post
*be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it?



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