[RBW] Re: mounting Nitto M-12 front rack on a very long fork
I recently drilled a mountain bike fork in the center for accessory mounting; I don't think it's a big deal. If the fork in question is like mine, it's 4130 steel and stronger than it needs to be. Use a new, properly rated drill bit and it should be fine. Now squeezing 1cm out of the M-12 rack is another matter; I can't comment on that. On May 25, 10:55 am, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: You could install a 1 star nut from the underside inside the steer tube. I would then use a Mark's rack and modify the fork mount as required. Save the trouble of drilling your fork. On May 25, 1:53 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the advice. The fork is built super-tough, for serious off- roading. I live in Thailand and don't have a drill press, and this is my junker, ahem, I mean trusty old stead. If I ruin the fork, I can finally go and replace this 20 year old frame with a Kogswell P/R, so I am not too worried. :) But I am debating whether to take the fork with me on my next trip, and maybe have it re-raked for a bit less trail, at which point I guess I could ask the frame builder to drill out the crown, and maybe add Riv-style mid fork braze-ons for a Mini front rack... No sure how much money I want to throw at this bike, though... Gernot On May 25, 11:29 am, jlvota jlv...@ilstu.edu wrote: I just measured the fork on my 58cm Bianchi San Jose that I have installed a m-12 on, and the measurement that you took was only 10cm on my bike. I recall having to slightly bend the rack when first put it on to get it to mount level, so I'm not sure if it would work on your bike or not (but I would bet that if you did get it to fit, you are going to have to wrestle with it for a while). Since your bike also does not have a hole on both sides of the fork crown, I would personally go a different route; maybe there is just something in me that cringes at the thought of taking a drill to a bike. Something like the Old Man Mountain Sherpa may be best for a bike that has a fork geometry similar to a mountain bike; it does not require a hole in the fork crown, and it seems to be very adjustable. If you are going to drill out the crown, I would strongly recommend taking the fork off and using a drill press. It is going to be much easier to drill the hole using the fender mount as a guide to bring the bit through the front using a press. Hopefully this helps, keep us updated as to what route you take; I am curious to see how it works out either way. On May 24, 10:52 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a Hillborne with a Nitto Mini front rack, and would like to install a Nitto M-12 front rack on my Fisher monstercross (700C). The fork has gobs of clearance, and I have been told that these racks don't fit all forks, depending on the distance between the fork crown hole and the canti bosses. The distance on my fork from center of canti boss to center of fork crown hole (measured diagonally) is 11cm. Can anyone tell me if that is going to work? (Here is a photo:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4439615305/in/photostream/) Also, note that the crown is only drilled in the back to accept a fender mounting bolt. Any advice on drilling out the fork crown? I am planning to use a drill bit that just fits through the fender mounting hole to drill a pilot hole through the front part of the fork crown, and then use the correct size (8mm?) to widen the hole in the front and back of the crown. Thanks, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
[RBW] FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I know Rapha is the metrosexual clothing maker of the bicycling world, but they do make some quality stuff, especially their caps. I have the green waxed cap ($60 new - of course) but it just doesn't fit my gargantuan noggin. It's a large, fits like a big medium. It's basically new. I'll take $40 for it, ship it free, if someone wants it. Cheers, Chris Love Asheville -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: sticky new tires picking up junk
The last set of Jack Brown Greens I bought a little over a month ago did the same thing, not any more thanks to the dirt lot around the corner. Maybe Panaracer has a sticky mold release? I know that is an oxymoron, but is likely the offender, the JBs had a chalky almot silicone like coating out of the bag. No harm- no foul, junst sticky Rob On May 25, 8:06 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Patrick in VT says...* hose tires are pretty tacky when first mounted - wouldn't be surprised if he picked up a bit glass and it* In the '80s I and everybody I knew rode Avocet tires (slicks), and we all agreed they looked like Almond Roca after the first many minutes. You had to ride them in dirt to get rid of the pick-up-junk effect. - Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: sticky new tires picking up junk
On May 25, 11:06 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: In the '80s I and everybody I knew rode Avocet tires (slicks), and we all agreed they looked like Almond Roca after the first many minutes. You had to ride them in dirt to get rid of the pick-up-junk effect. visual aid!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267...@n02/4629738644/in/set-72157623935955054/ that pic belongs to a dirt road set, which is pretty fun - there's probably a few rivs in there and some other nice steel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new (to me) Rambouillet
Mike, as soon as the frame I just built gets back from paint, I'll have a 60cm blue Ram for sale...I'll post it here first to keep it in the family. Pete On May 25, 11:51 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Love that bike... wow? esp. the no shimaNo build kit, very eclectic. where does everybody find these frames? seems like on Ebay and CL those sizes get snapped up super fast. Enjoy and ride! ~Mike~ On May 25, 8:02 pm, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Stuart, Congratulations, and welcome to the club - looks like a great ride. I think that is the best shade of orange ever to grace a bicycle. I love my AHH, and they are obviously quite similar in design. Look forward to seeing it in person soon. Best regards, Alex- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I cannot stop laughing. Rapha is being sold on the Riv list. Does anyone else get the delicious irony here? This made my morning. (long live Riv) On May 26, 5:32 am, chris love melvinl...@gmail.com wrote: I know Rapha is the metrosexual clothing maker of the bicycling world, but they do make some quality stuff, especially their caps. I have the green waxed cap ($60 new - of course) but it just doesn't fit my gargantuan noggin. It's a large, fits like a big medium. It's basically new. I'll take $40 for it, ship it free, if someone wants it. Cheers, Chris Love Asheville -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Ryan On May 26, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I cannot stop laughing. Rapha is being sold on the Riv list. Does anyone else get the delicious irony here? This made my morning. (long live Riv) On May 26, 5:32 am, chris love melvinl...@gmail.com wrote: I know Rapha is the metrosexual clothing maker of the bicycling world, but they do make some quality stuff, especially their caps. I have the green waxed cap ($60 new - of course) but it just doesn't fit my gargantuan noggin. It's a large, fits like a big medium. It's basically new. I'll take $40 for it, ship it free, if someone wants it. Cheers, Chris Love Asheville -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Protovelo on SF CL
Aha! Thanks. I had skipped right over the Protovelo, thinking it was more Merlin. Philip On May 25, 9:14 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Philip On the row with the Merlin, click on the thumbnail on the right. Both the Merlin and the Protovelo have a brownish frame with red bar tape, so it's confusing. Bill On May 25, 9:07 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I see a Peter Mooney, a Waterford and a Merlin in the photo set. What am I doing wrong? Aside from trying to use Photobucket... Philip On May 24, 2:08 pm, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: Not mine, don't know the seller. Looks pristine from the picture(s) http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/1750015879.html Franklyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sachs Freewheels and 110 Chain rings FS
Do you still have the freewheels? On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hullo, I have a tin box with four Sachs frees that have the cogs removed. And two complete Sachs freewheels. Some times the bodies get sticky or may for function right. They are used, but not much. $50 shipped to you. See at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157624013348587/ And I have a 110 pattern chainring collection you might want. There are two brand new Sugino rings (take off) 36 46. And two used, but not much, made in USA rings, 52 48. $60 + shipping See photos at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157624013352853/ Thanks! James Valiensi Northridge, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I love Rapha's stuff. I agree with Ryan's assessment that Rapha's items are stylish, well made, a bit pricey, but worth it. I own a few pieces (jerseys, jackets, bibs, caps, shorts) and they are all excellent -- very well made and very comfortable. And although by now Rapha has a signature look that can be spotted a mile away, at least that look is not fluorescent with a maze of logos, doodles and advertisements. Their aesthetic minimalism is refreshing. Aaron On May 26, 8:07 am, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Ryan On May 26, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I cannot stop laughing. Rapha is being sold on the Riv list. Does anyone else get the delicious irony here? This made my morning. (long live Riv) On May 26, 5:32 am, chris love melvinl...@gmail.com wrote: I know Rapha is the metrosexual clothing maker of the bicycling world, but they do make some quality stuff, especially their caps. I have the green waxed cap ($60 new - of course) but it just doesn't fit my gargantuan noggin. It's a large, fits like a big medium. It's basically new. I'll take $40 for it, ship it free, if someone wants it. Cheers, Chris Love Asheville -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: sticky new tires picking up junk
I tried riding new tires around the house in lieu of dusting the hardwood floors. The Mrs didn't appreciate it, strangely enough. On May 26, 7:01 am, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On May 25, 11:06 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: In the '80s I and everybody I knew rode Avocet tires (slicks), and we all agreed they looked like Almond Roca after the first many minutes. You had to ride them in dirt to get rid of the pick-up-junk effect. visual aid!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267...@n02/4629738644/in/set-721576239... that pic belongs to a dirt road set, which is pretty fun - there's probably a few rivs in there and some other nice steel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sachs Freewheels and 110 Chain rings FS
Ken, They are your's if you want them. I took these appart years ago to make some custom freewheels, but I gave up. There is a 13-32 that is super useful (and fully assembled). There should be enough parts to make 5 or 6 freewheels. On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, at 10:23AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 09:07 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Complete Cockpit: Nitto B135 Randonneur 42cm Bars, Shimano Bar-End 9-sp Shifters, Tektro Brake Levers
handlebars: nitto b135 randonneur 42cm bar tape: soma thick zesty brake levers: tektro r200a shifters: shimano bar-end 9 speed all parts are very experienced, not new/mint looking, but functionally perfect. could really use new bar tape to class the joint up. 4 mo old pic here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalturista/3927690514/sizes/o/ only reason for sale is that these bars came on a soma saga that i just purchased and are simply too narrow for me, i use 44/45s. figured it was just easier to sell the whole kit. asking $75obo shipped via paypal, please send questions direct to my email address thanks, curtis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
On May 26, 2010, at 14:03, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 09:07 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. Seems like either will include you if you're willing to buy their stuff, no? None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right? I just hung some Rapha laundry up to dry ;-) Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. On May 26, 3:03 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 09:07 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Yes and no. Some of their products are made in Italy, England, and (I think) Portugal. Some other items are made in Vietnam and Nepal, in addition to China. I don't know what their margins are, nor will I try to justify them. But their prices may be a function of balancing costs of production between operations in Europe and Asia. In any event, as I stated above, I love their products and will continue to buy them. They work well for me and are supremely comfortable. If they aren't your cup of tea, so be it. Aaron On May 26, 2:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. On May 26, 3:03 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 09:07 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I really like style of their jerseys and stuff. And I'm sure the quality is commensurate with the price. It's just seems like too much to pay $60 for a hat that's made in China no matter how cool it is. If I find them at a good discount I would probably buy some of their things, but full price seems like a lot based on the County of manufacture. ...of course if I find that Club jersey in the Thyme color in XL all that goes out the window! ~Mike~ On May 26, 2:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. On May 26, 3:03 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 09:07 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. I'm not talking about prices or markups, or even where the products are made. I'm talking about marketing and philosophy. Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I don't know what their margins are, nor will I try to justify them. But their prices may be a function of balancing costs of production between operations in Europe and Asia. But wouldn't the same hold for quality U.S. vendors such as Outlier, Ibex, or, for that matter, Riv and its Musa/Wooly Warm? The designers for these companies presumably are in the U.S. Their garments are made either in the U.S. of local and imported components or in places like New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Fiji (even China now for some Ibex) For whatever reason, Rapha appears to believe its designers and marketers deserve more money for creating and selling similar merchandise than their competitors. I have no quarrel with their right to this approach, but believe it is a significantly different approach from what you will find at Rivendell. On May 26, 4:40 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Yes and no. Some of their products are made in Italy, England, and (I think) Portugal. Some other items are made in Vietnam and Nepal, in addition to China. I don't know what their margins are, nor will I try to justify them. But their prices may be a function of balancing costs of production between operations in Europe and Asia. In any event, as I stated above, I love their products and will continue to buy them. They work well for me and are supremely comfortable. If they aren't your cup of tea, so be it. Aaron On May 26, 2:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. On May 26, 3:03 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 09:07 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:39 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: On May 26, 2010, at 14:03, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 09:07 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. Seems like either will include you if you're willing to buy their stuff, no? None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right? I just hung some Rapha laundry up to dry ;-) So you think you're an epic hardman, huh? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. Frankly, I have never been able to pay close attention to marketing blurbs, no matter the medium. I have looked at Rapha price, components and manufacture domicile. I cannot see how their approach is similar to Rivendell's. On May 26, 4:51 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. I'm not talking about prices or markups, or even where the products are made. I'm talking about marketing and philosophy. Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
On May 26, 2010, at 15:58, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:39 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: On May 26, 2010, at 14:03, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 09:07 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote: I've always seen Rapha and Rivendell as quite similar. Stylish, well made, a bit pricey but worth it, and both receive far more than their fair share of internet forum bashing. Oh, and the tweed. Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. Seems like either will include you if you're willing to buy their stuff, no? None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right? I just hung some Rapha laundry up to dry ;-) So you think you're an epic hardman, huh? An elderly man once walked over to me a the top of a climb and told me I was a rugged individual, does that count? I just like Rapha's stuff. Plus it fits me like it was tailor-made. Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag - Ultimate 5 + Ortlieb Saddlebag (matching, both black)
both well experienced from a soma saga i just purchased. selling as i already have complete luggage set for the bike ready to go. asking $30/obo for handlebar bag (has a map pocket on top but it's probably useless, plastic is cloudy, can be replaced) and $20/obo for saddlebag, or $45/obo for both. all prices shipped CONUS. please email directly for questions. paypal preferred. also selling handlebars with bar-end shifters and brake levers from same bike... please see post sent about an hour ago... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I think one of the things that most bothers me is the extreme price mark-up by companies like Rapha, whose products are made in China. A example which I've seen are some recent bags now being marketed by Brooks (which are labeled as Made in China). The Cornwall handlebar bag lists at $369.99 from Milwaukee Bicycle, each of the Devon rear panniers are listed at $349.99 (the drive and non-drive bags are individually priced). You can drop a cool $1,069.97 for the set. My LBS has a complete set of these bags on display, I found the pricing quite amusing. Each to his/her own, but this seems ridiculous to me for products made in China. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. Frankly, I have never been able to pay close attention to marketing blurbs, no matter the medium. I have looked at Rapha price, components and manufacture domicile. I cannot see how their approach is similar to Rivendell's. On May 26, 4:51 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. I'm not talking about prices or markups, or even where the products are made. I'm talking about marketing and philosophy. Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I don't know much, but I do know this: I will NOT sleep well until I can completely adorn myself in all things Rapha. I am not just talking what's available currently, I am talking soaps, shampoo, conditioner, sheets, pillowcases, the paint on the walls of my abode... I want my daughter to wear Rapha undies with Rapha Smurfs on them, I want my wife to wear a Rapha cologne when we sit next to one another eat Rapha-made food. A ton of Rapha is still four tons too little in my book. I dream of a World, and that world is called Rapha World. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Rapha Smurf Undies would be EPIC!!! On May 26, 2010, at 16:50, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know much, but I do know this: I will NOT sleep well until I can completely adorn myself in all things Rapha. I am not just talking what's available currently, I am talking soaps, shampoo, conditioner, sheets, pillowcases, the paint on the walls of my abode... I want my daughter to wear Rapha undies with Rapha Smurfs on them, I want my wife to wear a Rapha cologne when we sit next to one another eat Rapha-made food. A ton of Rapha is still four tons too little in my book. I dream of a World, and that world is called Rapha World. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Since we're on a Rapha rampage
and heck, Rievndell and Rapha both have R monograms right? I'll offer my new (never used) Rapha houndstooth waterbottle. Has an indica for the the owner to inscribe his/her name and a date, if that matters. Here's the deal, you send $20 to my MSBike fund raising page, and I send you the bottle. (Or send more if you want a truly Raphic charitable sensation). Email back channel please and I'll supply the link, or address to send check to should you eschew plastique. Cheers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I'm going to be a little contrary on this, though i'm certainly one to appreciate local, handmade goods. I'm a little bothered by the idea that just because something is made in China that it by necessity has to be cheap, and yet that's an argument that's come up here a couple of times. It's certainly true that products *can* be make more cheaply in China (and many other places with lower labor costs), but it doesn't mean that everything made there is cheap, or inherently worth less than something made in another place. We aren't talking about craft, hand-made goods, these are factory products. High-end products certainly, but there's nothing inherently different about the quality of the product that results from a Chinese factory -vs- a British one. Would a Brooks made in Italy be a different quality or price than one from the original factory? Or a Sturmey hub from Taiwan? (though there are certainly design differences in that case). I've read several accounts of the terrible quality of Bianchi frames from the Italy shop years back and how it improved on some models when production for them moved to Asia. My Rivendell was made in Japan, and i don't think it's any better or worse than if it had been made in the US, though it was almost certainly built at Toyo because they had the best balance of price/quality/delivery that Grant could find. If I had the Richard Sachs of China build a custom frame for me, i would expect it to cost in the neighborhood of custom frames, not some stereotype of Chinese bikes. I don't have any stake in the business either way, i don't know anything about the factories they work with, and i can't afford anything (probably literally anything) from Rapha, but i'm not particularly comfortable with the geography-based assumption. Done ranting, going for a bike ride. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I think one of the things that most bothers me is the extreme price mark-up by companies like Rapha, whose products are made in China. A example which I've seen are some recent bags now being marketed by Brooks (which are labeled as Made in China). The Cornwall handlebar bag lists at $369.99 from Milwaukee Bicycle, each of the Devon rear panniers are listed at $349.99 (the drive and non-drive bags are individually priced). You can drop a cool $1,069.97 for the set. My LBS has a complete set of these bags on display, I found the pricing quite amusing. Each to his/her own, but this seems ridiculous to me for products made in China. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. Frankly, I have never been able to pay close attention to marketing blurbs, no matter the medium. I have looked at Rapha price, components and manufacture domicile. I cannot see how their approach is similar to Rivendell's. On May 26, 4:51 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. I'm not talking about prices or markups, or even where the products are made. I'm talking about marketing and philosophy. Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Sachs Freewheels and 110 Chain rings FS
Sold them. On May 26, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Ken Freeman wrote: Do you still have the freewheels? On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hullo, I have a tin box with four Sachs frees that have the cogs removed. And two complete Sachs freewheels. Some times the bodies get sticky or may for function right. They are used, but not much. $50 shipped to you. See at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157624013348587/ And I have a 110 pattern chainring collection you might want. There are two brand new Sugino rings (take off) 36 46. And two used, but not much, made in USA rings, 52 48. $60 + shipping See photos at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157624013352853/ Thanks! James Valiensi Northridge, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Rapha is a good example of the phenomenon outlined in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-How-Luxury-Lost-Luster/dp/B001QXC4P4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1274919687sr=8-1 My girlfriend read it, in hopes of gaining insight as to why some people balk at shopping for used clothing. She runs a vintage clothing store.I picked it up once and couldn't put it down- if you dig sociological issues at all it's a thought-provoking read, if a disturbing one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Click in the left grip king
Today my left grip king started to click when pressure is applied. Does anyone have suggestions on what may be wrong and how to fix it? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Click in the left grip king
you probably already checked- but is the pedal spindle tight in the crank-arm's pedal boss?if you already checked that, maybe make sure the spindle nut hasn't come loose. On May 26, 8:36 pm, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote: Today my left grip king started to click when pressure is applied. Does anyone have suggestions on what may be wrong and how to fix it? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
On May 26, 1:03 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right? All I know is I'm not SKINNY enough to wear Rapha, which is another reason I'm grateful for Rivendell. Real Clothes for American bodies. Thank Heavens. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Met a Swiss cyclist last week who was riding across the U.S. on a bike adorned with those Brooks bags. They certainly look nice in the field. (Had earlier seen them at a trade show.) Do happen to own a few items of Rapha clothing. Specifically items that were on closeout. The Swift Jersey is easily the best feeling top I own. And I own most of the Rivendell offered items. Actually feel that Rapha's strong suit is publishing. Their magazine (Rouleur) and books are very well presented. I'm not overly interested in racing, yet do like reading their publications. Steve is right in the feeling that Rapha is more exclusive. But no worse than the folks that are into superlight bike touring, or any other type of bike culture. (The 3 speed tour that happened last weekend comes to mind. Or the gravel grinder races that are popping up.) Again, I could go on, but that takes it even further afield from Riv. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 26, 5:47�pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I think one of the things that most bothers me is the extreme price mark-up by companies like Rapha, whose products are made in China. �A example which I've seen are some recent bags now being marketed by Brooks (which are labeled as Made in China). �The Cornwall handlebar bag lists at $369.99 from Milwaukee Bicycle, each of the Devon rear panniers are listed at $349.99 (the drive and non-drive bags are individually priced). �You can drop a cool $1,069.97 for the set. �My LBS has a complete set of these bags on display, I found the pricing quite amusing. �Each to his/her own, but this seems ridiculous to me for products made in China. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. �If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. �Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. �If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. Frankly, I have never been able to pay close attention to marketing blurbs, no matter the medium. �I have looked at Rapha price, components and manufacture domicile. �I cannot see how their approach is similar to Rivendell's. On May 26, 4:51�pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products. �Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. �Rapha makes almost all of its product in China but nevertheless charges a premium. I'm not talking about prices or markups, or even where the products are made. �I'm talking about marketing and philosophy. Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. �If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. �Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. �If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. �- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
So, by implication, are those of us who fit in Rapha clothing as if it were tailor made for us somehow un-American? ;-) aaron On May 26, 5:49 pm, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: On May 26, 1:03 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. None of us here is good enough to wear Rapha, right? All I know is I'm not SKINNY enough to wear Rapha, which is another reason I'm grateful for Rivendell. Real Clothes for American bodies. Thank Heavens. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I am equally amused as Beth, but for other reasons. I see Riv and Rapha as arriving at exactly the same level of exclusivity via very different paths. The complaints about Rapha are pretty much exactly the same things Riv unbelievers spout in other venues. I don't own any rapha stuff, but I might prefer Rapha Smurf Undies over Grant Petersen underoos. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:03 PM, rswat...@me.com wrote: Rapha Smurf Undies would be EPIC!!! On May 26, 2010, at 16:50, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know much, but I do know this: I will NOT sleep well until I can completely adorn myself in all things Rapha. I am not just talking what's available currently, I am talking soaps, shampoo, conditioner, sheets, pillowcases, the paint on the walls of my abode... I want my daughter to wear Rapha undies with Rapha Smurfs on them, I want my wife to wear a Rapha cologne when we sit next to one another eat Rapha-made food. A ton of Rapha is still four tons too little in my book. I dream of a World, and that world is called Rapha World. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
As others said (Ryan?), you get what fits you and looks good, especially if it's on sale! I'm quite the Swobo fan-boy, big deal. Doesn't mean I'm into urban fixed gear riding which Swobo kind of seems to appeal to, at least based on their marketing. And for the record, I think the Rapha adverts are pretty cool. I love the bw images. A hard man of the road I am not.. Good for them for making cycling look stylish and FUN! I think Riv and Raph are quite complementary; both are trying to keep a neglected art style viable and in the public's mind. And if they happen to make a buck in the process, good for them! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:40 PM, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: I am equally amused as Beth, but for other reasons. I see Riv and Rapha as arriving at exactly the same level of exclusivity via very different paths. The complaints about Rapha are pretty much exactly the same things Riv unbelievers spout in other venues. I don't own any rapha stuff, but I might prefer Rapha Smurf Undies over Grant Petersen underoos. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:03 PM, rswat...@me.com wrote: Rapha Smurf Undies would be EPIC!!! On May 26, 2010, at 16:50, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know much, but I do know this: I will NOT sleep well until I can completely adorn myself in all things Rapha. I am not just talking what's available currently, I am talking soaps, shampoo, conditioner, sheets, pillowcases, the paint on the walls of my abode... I want my daughter to wear Rapha undies with Rapha Smurfs on them, I want my wife to wear a Rapha cologne when we sit next to one another eat Rapha-made food. A ton of Rapha is still four tons too little in my book. I dream of a World, and that world is called Rapha World. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Click in the left grip king
In addition to the other advice, 1) Grease the pedal threads and reinstall? 2) Grease the pedal bearings? 3) Are you sure it's the pedal? Could the crank arm or the bottom bracket be loose? 4) Avoid getting in an accident as you listen, look and ride to the noise:) ! Dave On May 26, 5:36 pm, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote: Today my left grip king started to click when pressure is applied. Does anyone have suggestions on what may be wrong and how to fix it? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
The shorts I'm going to order are over-priced, I know. But the rain jacket isn't that far off the mark for the quality. On the random day I wear the rapha product, it's on my everyday bleriot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Click in the left grip king
Check the reflectors- one may have come loose. Also, any chance your shoelace was loose and bouncing off the crankarm? On May 26, 8:36 pm, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote: Today my left grip king started to click when pressure is applied. Does anyone have suggestions on what may be wrong and how to fix it? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I'm going to be a little contrary on this, though i'm certainly one to appreciate local, handmade goods. I'm a little bothered by the idea that just because something is made in China that it by necessity has to be cheap, and yet that's an argument that's come up here a couple of times. I am certain Rapha are high quality garments, But so too are the garments from the companies I cite above and others that use U.S., UK and other first world nation labor. Rapha nevertheless is as expensive if not more expensive than any of those companies' garments. Chinese factory workers, skilled or no, are paid less than their first world counterparts, work more hours with fewer vacation days, are not paid benefits, and live with pollution and a lack of sanitary conditions as a result of rapid industrialization. Companies with Chinese facilities that make similar products to those with first world facilities pay less for labor. Labor is a large component of garment manufacturing. If Rapha does not make more money selling a pair of shorts than Swobo or Outlier, Rapha are idiots. Again, I have no beef with Rapha or Rapha wearers. But Rivendell passes its Taiwan labor savings on to customers where Rapha keeps its Chinese labor savings. That says different to me. On May 26, 7:12 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to be a little contrary on this, though i'm certainly one to appreciate local, handmade goods. I'm a little bothered by the idea that just because something is made in China that it by necessity has to be cheap, and yet that's an argument that's come up here a couple of times. It's certainly true that products *can* be make more cheaply in China (and many other places with lower labor costs), but it doesn't mean that everything made there is cheap, or inherently worth less than something made in another place. We aren't talking about craft, hand-made goods, these are factory products. High-end products certainly, but there's nothing inherently different about the quality of the product that results from a Chinese factory -vs- a British one. Would a Brooks made in Italy be a different quality or price than one from the original factory? Or a Sturmey hub from Taiwan? (though there are certainly design differences in that case). I've read several accounts of the terrible quality of Bianchi frames from the Italy shop years back and how it improved on some models when production for them moved to Asia. My Rivendell was made in Japan, and i don't think it's any better or worse than if it had been made in the US, though it was almost certainly built at Toyo because they had the best balance of price/quality/delivery that Grant could find. If I had the Richard Sachs of China build a custom frame for me, i would expect it to cost in the neighborhood of custom frames, not some stereotype of Chinese bikes. I don't have any stake in the business either way, i don't know anything about the factories they work with, and i can't afford anything (probably literally anything) from Rapha, but i'm not particularly comfortable with the geography-based assumption. Done ranting, going for a bike ride. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I think one of the things that most bothers me is the extreme price mark-up by companies like Rapha, whose products are made in China. A example which I've seen are some recent bags now being marketed by Brooks (which are labeled as Made in China). The Cornwall handlebar bag lists at $369.99 from Milwaukee Bicycle, each of the Devon rear panniers are listed at $349.99 (the drive and non-drive bags are individually priced). You can drop a cool $1,069.97 for the set. My LBS has a complete set of these bags on display, I found the pricing quite amusing. Each to his/her own, but this seems ridiculous to me for products made in China. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If you're reading their stuff, you are definitely good enough to be using their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that hard-man, epic stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. Frankly, I have never been able to pay close attention to marketing blurbs, no matter the medium. I have looked at Rapha price, components and manufacture domicile. I cannot see how their approach is similar to Rivendell's. On May 26, 4:51 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. and Japanese made products.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
i must have a skewed impression of rivendell. their bikes are well priced, but not cheap ( but high quality and built to last ). why is rapha so demonized by some? my smartwool socks were very expensive to purchase, but they have lasted forever. why not smartwool jerseys? expensive at first, but in the long run, a great investment. and the quality of rapha is flawless. by the way, i love my roadeo and i regretted selling my ram. i finally drove down to riv in walnut creek and talked to keven about my problem and we figured ( a good thing for riv ) that i should buy a roadeo to fix my problem. basically, i am a strong believer in the riv philosophy, but i think that it extends to many styles of riders. i ride my roadeo on club rides with some cat 3 4 riders. i am not on the clock and just riding with these guys is a pleasure and once in a while, i can surprise them on a hill. most of the time, i just enjoy spinning on my roadeo and checking out the landscape. bottom line: cycling should be fun, period!!! On May 26, 7:44 am, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I cannot stop laughing. Rapha is being sold on the Riv list. Does anyone else get the delicious irony here? This made my morning. (long live Riv) On May 26, 5:32 am, chris love melvinl...@gmail.com wrote: I know Rapha is the metrosexual clothing maker of the bicycling world, but they do make some quality stuff, especially their caps. I have the green waxed cap ($60 new - of course) but it just doesn't fit my gargantuan noggin. It's a large, fits like a big medium. It's basically new. I'll take $40 for it, ship it free, if someone wants it. Cheers, Chris Love Asheville -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Their products are just too expensive for me. Besides, I'm more than satisfied with Voler bib shorts/knickers, DeFeet warmers, and Kuchurick jerseys. I also like MUSA and Smartwool products for more relaxed cycling. There is some kind of connection between Rapha and Portland. I think their US office is located here. I've met a few people that have worked for/with them and they all are really nice and seem to love cycling. A lot of the rides I do it's not uncommon to come across a pink Rapha R in the road leftover from their Gentlemen's Races which they have done in the area. This little film is great with the exception of a few moments which come off a little too jock and dramatic but otherwise... I don't know, I watched it and wanted to ride my bike. http://www.rapha.cc/films-of-the-summer-1 --mike But I like the Riv films more. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Click in the left grip king
I've had to disassemble and repack all four MKS pedals sets I own (1 Touring, 3 Grip King). Actually I should say I had to disassemble the first two sets, the second sets I just went ahead and did before I even tried them. :-) It seems MKS is very stingy with the grease at the factory. The first time I got the click was with my touring pedals shortly after my new Quickbeam arrived last November. The click got worse and worse and I ended darn near taking everything off the frame and greasing it. Nothing worked and I though perhaps I'd gotten a faulty bottom bracket. You could feel the click throughout the frame. I kept searching and finally came across this: http://stankertanker.blogspot.com/2008/12/mks-touring-pedal-dismay-and-rebuild.html I took repacked my pedals and haven't had a bit of trouble with them since. Next I got a pair of Grip Kings and threw them on without thinking. Sure enough they clicked within a week. Repacked. All good. The next two pairs of GKs (for other bikes) were taken apart and repacked before I even used them. No noise at all with those. But, like the others, they showed a real lack of factory lubrication. Once they are repacked they are great though. BTW - as I recall there are 12 bearings per Grip King pedal, 11 per Touring pedal. Aloha! On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote: Today my left grip king started to click when pressure is applied. Does anyone have suggestions on what may be wrong and how to fix it? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Brooks Team Pro black $110 free shipping
Okay, no takers on the trade (yet), so if you want to buy this saddle instead, here it is. There are some small marks on the top leather nose and rear edge from turning the bike upside down (with seatcover attached). The photos show these marks clearly: see http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/ Black leather, chrome rails. Cared for with Proofide according to instructions, just broken in (less than 500 miles). My B17s seem to fit my backside better. Asking $110 including shipping to continental US. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Couldn't agree more... I think Tarik nails it when he makes the comparison betwixt Grant, Smurf, Rapha, Underoos Undies. Think about it... Grant sells the AHH, it's Blue, so are Smurfs. Then you have Rapha and Pink [the color, not the angst-ridden singer person]... next, Pink is the opposite of Blue when it comes to baby boys and girls... enter Underoos. The babies grow up, graduate from diapers and clothes [in Pink or Blue] to Underoos eventually -time permitting- undies, watch the Smurfs [again, the whole Blue thing], and with Time, Money, Bad Backs, Sore Necks, a fondness for Boy Scouts and Tweed, Hemp Twine Education: get an AHH from Rivendell [enter Grant -and- the color Blue, again] and talk about Rapha [Pink, see?] on this list. Makes sense to me. PS-- Aren't iPhones made in China? Wonder what Apple's cost per unit is... me thinks, it's a fair bit less than Street Price. Rivendell Connection: my iPhone has a Tweed case wrapped in Hemp Twine. -Scott On May 26, 6:40 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: I am equally amused as Beth, but for other reasons. I see Riv and Rapha as arriving at exactly the same level of exclusivity via very different paths. The complaints about Rapha are pretty much exactly the same things Riv unbelievers spout in other venues. I don't own any rapha stuff, but I might prefer Rapha Smurf Undies over Grant Petersen underoos. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:03 PM, rswat...@me.com wrote: Rapha Smurf Undies would be EPIC!!! On May 26, 2010, at 16:50, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know much, but I do know this: I will NOT sleep well until I can completely adorn myself in all things Rapha. I am not just talking what's available currently, I am talking soaps, shampoo, conditioner, sheets, pillowcases, the paint on the walls of my abode... I want my daughter to wear Rapha undies with Rapha Smurfs on them, I want my wife to wear a Rapha cologne when we sit next to one another eat Rapha-made food. A ton of Rapha is still four tons too little in my book. I dream of a World, and that world is called Rapha World. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog:http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Hi, I have both Rapha jerseys and Rivendell jerseys. The Rivendell Wooley Warm jerseys were my favorite for years. But they are no longer made. I really like the Rapha jerseys, especially since they are sporting and less billboard than typical bicycle jerseys. Maybe Grant should paint a Roadeo Black and sell it to Rapha for their epic rides! Cheers! On May 26, 2010, at 9:03 PM, S.Cutshall wrote: Couldn't agree more... I think Tarik nails it when he makes the comparison betwixt Grant, Smurf, Rapha, Underoos Undies. Think about it... Grant sells the AHH, it's Blue, so are Smurfs. Then you have Rapha and Pink [the color, not the angst-ridden singer person]... next, Pink is the opposite of Blue when it comes to baby boys and girls... enter Underoos. The babies grow up, graduate from diapers and clothes [in Pink or Blue] to Underoos eventually -time permitting- undies, watch the Smurfs [again, the whole Blue thing], and with Time, Money, Bad Backs, Sore Necks, a fondness for Boy Scouts and Tweed, Hemp Twine Education: get an AHH from Rivendell [enter Grant -and- the color Blue, again] and talk about Rapha [Pink, see?] on this list. Makes sense to me. PS-- Aren't iPhones made in China? Wonder what Apple's cost per unit is... me thinks, it's a fair bit less than Street Price. Rivendell Connection: my iPhone has a Tweed case wrapped in Hemp Twine. -Scott On May 26, 6:40 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: I am equally amused as Beth, but for other reasons. I see Riv and Rapha as arriving at exactly the same level of exclusivity via very different paths. The complaints about Rapha are pretty much exactly the same things Riv unbelievers spout in other venues. I don't own any rapha stuff, but I might prefer Rapha Smurf Undies over Grant Petersen underoos. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:03 PM, rswat...@me.com wrote: Rapha Smurf Undies would be EPIC!!! On May 26, 2010, at 16:50, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know much, but I do know this: I will NOT sleep well until I can completely adorn myself in all things Rapha. I am not just talking what's available currently, I am talking soaps, shampoo, conditioner, sheets, pillowcases, the paint on the walls of my abode... I want my daughter to wear Rapha undies with Rapha Smurfs on them, I want my wife to wear a Rapha cologne when we sit next to one another eat Rapha-made food. A ton of Rapha is still four tons too little in my book. I dream of a World, and that world is called Rapha World. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog:http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
Tarik is absolutely correct: I see Riv and Rapha as arriving at exactly the same level of exclusivity via very different paths. Its hard to be attracted to a company philosophy/brand/products and throw stones at folks who are also attracted to company philosophy/ brand/product. I like the Rapha stuff and want some of the touring shorts and a jersey. I'm a big, big advocate and fanboy of Swrve, and have visited their factory (6 sewing machines) in Downtown LA. I want them to bring back their Rivendell knickers. Rapha has rad videos publications and a great aesthetic. Let's enjoy all this great bike culture stuff. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On May 26, 9:10 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I have both Rapha jerseys and Rivendell jerseys. The Rivendell Wooley Warm jerseys were my favorite for years. But they are no longer made. I really like the Rapha jerseys, especially since they are sporting and less billboard than typical bicycle jerseys. Maybe Grant should paint a Roadeo Black and sell it to Rapha for their epic rides! Cheers! On May 26, 2010, at 9:03 PM, S.Cutshall wrote: Couldn't agree more... I think Tarik nails it when he makes the comparison betwixt Grant, Smurf, Rapha, Underoos Undies. Think about it... Grant sells the AHH, it's Blue, so are Smurfs. Then you have Rapha and Pink [the color, not the angst-ridden singer person]... next, Pink is the opposite of Blue when it comes to baby boys and girls... enter Underoos. The babies grow up, graduate from diapers and clothes [in Pink or Blue] to Underoos eventually -time permitting- undies, watch the Smurfs [again, the whole Blue thing], and with Time, Money, Bad Backs, Sore Necks, a fondness for Boy Scouts and Tweed, Hemp Twine Education: get an AHH from Rivendell [enter Grant -and- the color Blue, again] and talk about Rapha [Pink, see?] on this list. Makes sense to me. PS-- Aren't iPhones made in China? Wonder what Apple's cost per unit is... me thinks, it's a fair bit less than Street Price. Rivendell Connection: my iPhone has a Tweed case wrapped in Hemp Twine. -Scott On May 26, 6:40 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: I am equally amused as Beth, but for other reasons. I see Riv and Rapha as arriving at exactly the same level of exclusivity via very different paths. The complaints about Rapha are pretty much exactly the same things Riv unbelievers spout in other venues. I don't own any rapha stuff, but I might prefer Rapha Smurf Undies over Grant Petersen underoos. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:03 PM, rswat...@me.com wrote: Rapha Smurf Undies would be EPIC!!! On May 26, 2010, at 16:50, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know much, but I do know this: I will NOT sleep well until I can completely adorn myself in all things Rapha. I am not just talking what's available currently, I am talking soaps, shampoo, conditioner, sheets, pillowcases, the paint on the walls of my abode... I want my daughter to wear Rapha undies with Rapha Smurfs on them, I want my wife to wear a Rapha cologne when we sit next to one another eat Rapha-made food. A ton of Rapha is still four tons too little in my book. I dream of a World, and that world is called Rapha World. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog:http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Click in the left grip king
Thanks everyone. I pulled the grip kings and replaced them with a pair of Tioga spiders I had in the bike room. No click. Guess I will repack the bearings. Thanks again. On May 26, 8:15 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I've had to disassemble and repack all four MKS pedals sets I own (1 Touring, 3 Grip King). Actually I should say I had to disassemble the first two sets, the second sets I just went ahead and did before I even tried them. :-) It seems MKS is very stingy with the grease at the factory. The first time I got the click was with my touring pedals shortly after my new Quickbeam arrived last November. The click got worse and worse and I ended darn near taking everything off the frame and greasing it. Nothing worked and I though perhaps I'd gotten a faulty bottom bracket. You could feel the click throughout the frame. I kept searching and finally came across this: http://stankertanker.blogspot.com/2008/12/mks-touring-pedal-dismay-an... I took repacked my pedals and haven't had a bit of trouble with them since. Next I got a pair of Grip Kings and threw them on without thinking. Sure enough they clicked within a week. Repacked. All good. The next two pairs of GKs (for other bikes) were taken apart and repacked before I even used them. No noise at all with those. But, like the others, they showed a real lack of factory lubrication. Once they are repacked they are great though. BTW - as I recall there are 12 bearings per Grip King pedal, 11 per Touring pedal. Aloha! On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote: Today my left grip king started to click when pressure is applied. Does anyone have suggestions on what may be wrong and how to fix it? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - Gentleman's Cap
I do feel that the Rivendell corporate persona is very very welcoming. If you want to ride your bike for fun, you can ride your bike with us. I like it when this list behaves similarly. For my part I will refrain from referring to anyone as Rapha Smurf. Philip 97128 On May 26, 9:35 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Tarik is absolutely correct: I see Riv and Rapha as arriving at exactly the same level of exclusivity via very different paths. Its hard to be attracted to a company philosophy/brand/products and throw stones at folks who are also attracted to company philosophy/ brand/product. I like the Rapha stuff and want some of the touring shorts and a jersey. I'm a big, big advocate and fanboy of Swrve, and have visited their factory (6 sewing machines) in Downtown LA. I want them to bring back their Rivendell knickers. Rapha has rad videos publications and a great aesthetic. Let's enjoy all this great bike culture stuff. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On May 26, 9:10 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I have both Rapha jerseys and Rivendell jerseys. The Rivendell Wooley Warm jerseys were my favorite for years. But they are no longer made. I really like the Rapha jerseys, especially since they are sporting and less billboard than typical bicycle jerseys. Maybe Grant should paint a Roadeo Black and sell it to Rapha for their epic rides! Cheers! On May 26, 2010, at 9:03 PM, S.Cutshall wrote: Couldn't agree more... I think Tarik nails it when he makes the comparison betwixt Grant, Smurf, Rapha, Underoos Undies. Think about it... Grant sells the AHH, it's Blue, so are Smurfs. Then you have Rapha and Pink [the color, not the angst-ridden singer person]... next, Pink is the opposite of Blue when it comes to baby boys and girls... enter Underoos. The babies grow up, graduate from diapers and clothes [in Pink or Blue] to Underoos eventually -time permitting- undies, watch the Smurfs [again, the whole Blue thing], and with Time, Money, Bad Backs, Sore Necks, a fondness for Boy Scouts and Tweed, Hemp Twine Education: get an AHH from Rivendell [enter Grant -and- the color Blue, again] and talk about Rapha [Pink, see?] on this list. Makes sense to me. PS-- Aren't iPhones made in China? Wonder what Apple's cost per unit is... me thinks, it's a fair bit less than Street Price. Rivendell Connection: my iPhone has a Tweed case wrapped in Hemp Twine. -Scott On May 26, 6:40 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: I am equally amused as Beth, but for other reasons. I see Riv and Rapha as arriving at exactly the same level of exclusivity via very different paths. The complaints about Rapha are pretty much exactly the same things Riv unbelievers spout in other venues. I don't own any rapha stuff, but I might prefer Rapha Smurf Undies over Grant Petersen underoos. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:03 PM, rswat...@me.com wrote: Rapha Smurf Undies would be EPIC!!! On May 26, 2010, at 16:50, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know much, but I do know this: I will NOT sleep well until I can completely adorn myself in all things Rapha. I am not just talking what's available currently, I am talking soaps, shampoo, conditioner, sheets, pillowcases, the paint on the walls of my abode... I want my daughter to wear Rapha undies with Rapha Smurfs on them, I want my wife to wear a Rapha cologne when we sit next to one another eat Rapha-made food. A ton of Rapha is still four tons too little in my book. I dream of a World, and that world is called Rapha World. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog:http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
[RBW] Group Buy: WTB DEVA Ti saddle
I tried the WTB Deva saddle recently, and REALLY like it. About the same width as a Team Pro, but flatter on top. Padding is pretty minimal, which is good in my opinion. Supposedly a women's saddle, but no real difference from their Devo men's saddle. Started with one on my MTB, and now playing around with another on my road bike. Very comfortable for rides 20 miles. May be fine for longer rides, but I have no experience with it for greater than 20 or so. I've come across a guy selling some locally, and can pick one up for someone interested in them. He's selling for $35, so it would be about $40 including shipping if anyone is interested. Cheap enough to take a chance if you're thinking about a saddle change. I'm gonna' buy at least one, maybe two more to stash away. Here's his ad: http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/1740066769.html Gonna' swing by his place Fri, so let me know before Thurs night. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
