Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne Photos and Review
I feel the same way about the 1973 Motobecane Grand Record: wonderful bike; tho' my two Riv Customs are even nicer in handling and, of course, in every other way. Re the Sam Hill: I bought it (1) as a touring bike and (2) as an all rounder for those times when I want to go further or steeper than my fixeds and ss's allow. It will be fine for #1; for #2, perhaps next year I'll get a second, SRAM i9 wheelset disk wheelset for the Monocog. Or we'll see how the supposedly forthcoming Alfine 11 does. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Don Genovese dgen...@gmail.com wrote: I think that my greatest disappointment has been, after the floppiness and light feeling of the front end ... just doesn't shine like the bikes that remain in my possession Read that and had to respond, likewise, regarding the handling of my 1998 Longlow. In all other respects it is a wonderful ride. However, I ride my circa 70's Bertin far more than the Longlow, although the Longlow has taken me across the USA. Only once in ten years of riding the Bertin have I dismounted after a ride and not said to myself, boy, I love this bike. I don't know, there's something about those Reynolds 531 French bikes. I ride the Bertin no-hands easily. I've never ridden the Longlow no-hands. I still wouldn't part with the Rivendell Longlow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Axiom Dutch Panniers, BLACK, mounted but not used
Like these but BLACK: http://aebike.com/product/axiom-dutch-shopper-pannier-set-rust-sku-bg6679-qc30.htm Mounted but never used. $45 shipped CONUS. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah
I get a similar reaction when people ask, about one of my Rivs, the commuter with hammered Honjos, How *old* is that bike!!?? and I reply, Hmm, lessee, 2003? On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:43 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: on 6/28/10 1:29 PM, juarez at juarez@gmail.com wrote: While I understand that a Riv owner might experience some consternation that their expensive bike might be mistaken for a less expensive older model, I don't think one can really fault a casual observer. After all, Rivendells do look like older bikes in many ways -- it's hard to deny that. I think that's part of the fun of owning one. I find it funny that folks who see barend shifters and round-tubed-frames assume an older bicycle. Always feel like I have the opportunity to broaden someone's awareness when they say that. But, I'm not sure I agree with your point about the price tag being the issue. That didn't seem to be implied or implicit in the OP's comment. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale: NOS Wool Rivendell Jersey, Shirt and Cap
Guys, My knee went out about 5 years ago and my cycling days are over. So I'm going through my old stuff and came up with two wool Riv jerseys unworn. a long sleeve Riv cotton shirt and a cap. (only selling one jersey for now) The items are up on Ebay. I hope a RBW member gets them. Anyway, take a look see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170506559991ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_3161wt_1139 or search Rivendell Wool Cycling Jersey Many thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] For Sale: NOS Wool Rivendell Jersey, Shirt and Cap
Very sorry to hear about your knee. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:10 PM, lukethedrifter1 pobox4...@gmail.comwrote: Guys, My knee went out about 5 years ago and my cycling days are over. So I'm going through my old stuff and came up with two wool Riv jerseys unworn. a long sleeve Riv cotton shirt and a cap. (only selling one jersey for now) The items are up on Ebay. I hope a RBW member gets them. Anyway, take a look see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170506559991ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_3161wt_1139 or search Rivendell Wool Cycling Jersey Many thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Photos and Review
Only once in ten years of riding the Bertin have I dismounted after a ride and not said to myself, boy, I love this bike. What went wrong that one time? On Jun 28, 8:43 pm, Don Genovese dgen...@gmail.com wrote: I think that my greatest disappointment has been, after the floppiness and light feeling of the front end ... just doesn't shine like the bikes that remain in my possession Read that and had to respond, likewise, regarding the handling of my 1998 Longlow. In all other respects it is a wonderful ride. However, I ride my circa 70's Bertin far more than the Longlow, although the Longlow has taken me across the USA. Only once in ten years of riding the Bertin have I dismounted after a ride and not said to myself, boy, I love this bike. I don't know, there's something about those Reynolds 531 French bikes. I ride the Bertin no-hands easily. I've never ridden the Longlow no-hands. I still wouldn't part with the Rivendell Longlow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah
juarez wrote, in part: ...While I understand that a Riv owner might experience some consternation that their expensive bike might be mistaken for a less expensive older model, I don't think one can really fault a casual observer. After all, Rivendells do look like older bikes in many ways -- it's hard to deny that. Deny it? Heck, that's what I like about them! B-) Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal?
I am interested in getting this combo, but I was wondering about your comment re: dirty shoes. I've noticed that when I put a Sigg bottle in my Nitto stainless cages there are stains from the contact, so I'm wondering does stainless steel also stain shoes, or is that ONLY with the Ti? Stainless is not as bad as Ti but does mark shoes as well. I certainly could wrap it with something - handlebar tape, rim tape, cork, twine if I had 40 minutes or so to spend. There are even some costlier leather options for those so inclined. I resist as I like the all metal look. On Jun 28, 11:40 pm, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in getting this combo, but I was wondering about your comment re: dirty shoes. I've noticed that when I put a Sigg bottle in my Nitto stainless cages there are stains from the contact, so I'm wondering does stainless steel also stain shoes, or is that ONLY with the Ti? It seems like an awesome combination, but I'd rather not make my good riding shoes gnarly... Also, if anyone who's got these pedals could post the dimensions of them that'd be great. I got expensive Tiogas once and couldn't stand them because of the tiny size after a while. On Jun 8, 9:48 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Ginz: I find the Whites flip so easy I don't even think about it anymore. It just happens. No photos at the moment and my camera battery is dead. At rest the pedals are not upside down. The flip point is maybe 7 or 8 degrees beyond perpendicular. If you do not mind dirty shoes (and do not mind paying a whole heck of a lot more money) the Ti BG clips are lighter than the stainless steel. I have a set and with them on at rest the pedal is almost perpendicular. I actually prefer when the tab is angled a bit forward (and did not like my shoes with half clip marks on them) so I put the Ti clips in a box somewhere and now use the BG steel clips. (With luck some weight weenie just read this sentence and dropped the computer) On Jun 8, 7:38 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jeff and Joel, Are theWhite'sTHAT easy to get into? I'm tired of struggling with the tiny flip tab on my MKS pedals. I just checked out the Bruce Gordon site. Nice stuff! Joel, do you have any photos of yourWhite/Bruce Gordon clip set-up?! When your foot is removed, do the pedals flip upside down completely, or does the flip end point to the sky? Is it easy to get into at that position? Thanks, Ginz- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
I went through the same search a few months ago. The only non-Shimano solution I found was Stronglight. Campy triples are not external bearing designs. I missed the Truvativ. Stronglight is tough to find; I ended up buying mine from xxcycle.com in France. I have no complaints with the crank or with the ordering process. EdwardK On Jun 28, 11:36 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a new road frame and I would like to try an external bearing BB. But I want a triple. The only one I've found is Shimano's Ultegra with a 50-39-30. Anyone know of another option? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal?
I have been looking at them. Bruce Gordon has a nifty package that includes the pedals and a stainless steel or titanium toe clip. But a pair costs $250. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:40 AM, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.comwrote: I am interested in getting this combo, but I was wondering about your comment re: dirty shoes. I've noticed that when I put a Sigg bottle in my Nitto stainless cages there are stains from the contact, so I'm wondering does stainless steel also stain shoes, or is that ONLY with the Ti? It seems like an awesome combination, but I'd rather not make my good riding shoes gnarly... Also, if anyone who's got these pedals could post the dimensions of them that'd be great. I got expensive Tiogas once and couldn't stand them because of the tiny size after a while. On Jun 8, 9:48 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Ginz: I find the Whites flip so easy I don't even think about it anymore. It just happens. No photos at the moment and my camera battery is dead. At rest the pedals are not upside down. The flip point is maybe 7 or 8 degrees beyond perpendicular. If you do not mind dirty shoes (and do not mind paying a whole heck of a lot more money) the Ti BG clips are lighter than the stainless steel. I have a set and with them on at rest the pedal is almost perpendicular. I actually prefer when the tab is angled a bit forward (and did not like my shoes with half clip marks on them) so I put the Ti clips in a box somewhere and now use the BG steel clips. (With luck some weight weenie just read this sentence and dropped the computer) On Jun 8, 7:38 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jeff and Joel, Are theWhite'sTHAT easy to get into? I'm tired of struggling with the tiny flip tab on my MKS pedals. I just checked out the Bruce Gordon site. Nice stuff! Joel, do you have any photos of yourWhite/Bruce Gordon clip set-up?! When your foot is removed, do the pedals flip upside down completely, or does the flip end point to the sky? Is it easy to get into at that position? Thanks, Ginz -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal?
If no one else does in the meantime, I will send the pedal dimensions tonight. The Whites are not tiny by any standard. On Jun 28, 11:40 pm, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in getting this combo, but I was wondering about your comment re: dirty shoes. I've noticed that when I put a Sigg bottle in my Nitto stainless cages there are stains from the contact, so I'm wondering does stainless steel also stain shoes, or is that ONLY with the Ti? It seems like an awesome combination, but I'd rather not make my good riding shoes gnarly... Also, if anyone who's got these pedals could post the dimensions of them that'd be great. I got expensive Tiogas once and couldn't stand them because of the tiny size after a while. On Jun 8, 9:48 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Ginz: I find the Whites flip so easy I don't even think about it anymore. It just happens. No photos at the moment and my camera battery is dead. At rest the pedals are not upside down. The flip point is maybe 7 or 8 degrees beyond perpendicular. If you do not mind dirty shoes (and do not mind paying a whole heck of a lot more money) the Ti BG clips are lighter than the stainless steel. I have a set and with them on at rest the pedal is almost perpendicular. I actually prefer when the tab is angled a bit forward (and did not like my shoes with half clip marks on them) so I put the Ti clips in a box somewhere and now use the BG steel clips. (With luck some weight weenie just read this sentence and dropped the computer) On Jun 8, 7:38 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jeff and Joel, Are theWhite'sTHAT easy to get into? I'm tired of struggling with the tiny flip tab on my MKS pedals. I just checked out the Bruce Gordon site. Nice stuff! Joel, do you have any photos of yourWhite/Bruce Gordon clip set-up?! When your foot is removed, do the pedals flip upside down completely, or does the flip end point to the sky? Is it easy to get into at that position? Thanks, Ginz- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah
I shouldn't think he was referring to the Bridgestone Atlantis--pretty sure it was a Japan/home only product. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of doug peterson Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:12 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah So this guy may have been more savvy than I thought. Always kinda wondered about that 2. dougP On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: A guys was checking out my Atlantis one day commented he hadn't seen an Atlantis in many years. His age suggested he'd been around bikes for a while. Perhaps Riv isn't the first one to use the name Atlantis? Or in the dim mists of time there was a manufacturer by that name? Most likely the guy was just assuming it was a nice old bike. It's sorta fun to tell people, yea, it's old; 7 years old this year. bridgestone made an atlantis.. That's why the riv atlantises are atlantis2. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
Is there an advantage to external bearings that make it worth fighting through proprietary design issues? On Jun 28, 10:36 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a new road frame and I would like to try an external bearing BB. But I want a triple. The only one I've found is Shimano's Ultegra with a 50-39-30. Anyone know of another option? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
I don't ride much in rain or mud, so my bikes get dirty mostly with dust (8-9 annual rainfall here in high desert NM), and while I keep the drivetrains very clean, I give them a bath only once or twice a year (unless I get caught in rain). But baths are easy: put stand by hose, put bike in stand, half fill bucket with warm, soapy water, place near bike in stand. Taking hose firmly in grip, turn on spigot and gently spray loose dirt from bike. Firmly grasp large, soft bristed brush in dominant hand. (I use a brush that comes with those cheap, plastic brush-plus-dustpan combos, with a smaller, stiffer brush for the smaller and dirtier nooks and crannies around the rear part of the drivetrain). Dip into warm, soapy water and lovingly swab every nook and cranny. Replace brush in pail. Do same with smaller brush for the cassette and intricacies of the rear derailleur. Once again grasp hose and spray soapy water off bike. Turn off spigot and coil hose for future use. Remove bike from stand and bounce twice to dislodge what water you can. Wheel back to garage and let dry. Once dry, lube all pivots with a good dry lube; do same with chain. Do not, I repeat, do not wax or buff with cloth -- that is unmanly and will only harm your psyche. Fixed gears, with one cog, one ring and one brake, are of course easier than messy, complicated derailleur bikes. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. Maybe because i don't have a JB paint job, but i'm also pretty lax about overall bike cleaning. I'll wipe down and relube the drivetrain and the brakes if they're making noise, but unless a bike really gets caked with mud i'll just ride it. I also end up riding in the rain just often enough to rinse things down. Maybe once a year or so i'l give a bike a proper cleaning and rebuild as needed, but that's it. If anything, i'm inspired by the dirt and wear on Grant's bikes, it reminds us that these are meant to be ridden hard and well-used. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
One morning I arrived at RBW HQ slightly earlier than I had planned. It was before they openned. There were Mark, Robert and Vaughn, all three of them taking turns with the bucket and brush. They were brushing and chatting with a familiarity and nonchalance that reminds you of the glimpses of Grand Tour mechanics doing their daily routine. It definitely gave the impression that at least the three of them are habitual bike cleaners. On Jun 29, 7:54 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't ride much in rain or mud, so my bikes get dirty mostly with dust (8-9 annual rainfall here in high desert NM), and while I keep the drivetrains very clean, I give them a bath only once or twice a year (unless I get caught in rain). But baths are easy: put stand by hose, put bike in stand, half fill bucket with warm, soapy water, place near bike in stand. Taking hose firmly in grip, turn on spigot and gently spray loose dirt from bike. Firmly grasp large, soft bristed brush in dominant hand. (I use a brush that comes with those cheap, plastic brush-plus-dustpan combos, with a smaller, stiffer brush for the smaller and dirtier nooks and crannies around the rear part of the drivetrain). Dip into warm, soapy water and lovingly swab every nook and cranny. Replace brush in pail. Do same with smaller brush for the cassette and intricacies of the rear derailleur. Once again grasp hose and spray soapy water off bike. Turn off spigot and coil hose for future use. Remove bike from stand and bounce twice to dislodge what water you can. Wheel back to garage and let dry. Once dry, lube all pivots with a good dry lube; do same with chain. Do not, I repeat, do not wax or buff with cloth -- that is unmanly and will only harm your psyche. Fixed gears, with one cog, one ring and one brake, are of course easier than messy, complicated derailleur bikes. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
I don't ride much in rain or mud, so my bikes get dirty mostly with dust (8-9 annual rainfall here in high desert NM), Northern Cali is pretty dry for about 9 months every year. I imagine GP's bikes have dust, not grime on them. Provided GP is doing a good job lubing the moving part (and I expect he is) dust will not pose much of a problem. On Jun 29, 9:54 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't ride much in rain or mud, so my bikes get dirty mostly with dust (8-9 annual rainfall here in high desert NM), and while I keep the drivetrains very clean, I give them a bath only once or twice a year (unless I get caught in rain). But baths are easy: put stand by hose, put bike in stand, half fill bucket with warm, soapy water, place near bike in stand. Taking hose firmly in grip, turn on spigot and gently spray loose dirt from bike. Firmly grasp large, soft bristed brush in dominant hand. (I use a brush that comes with those cheap, plastic brush-plus-dustpan combos, with a smaller, stiffer brush for the smaller and dirtier nooks and crannies around the rear part of the drivetrain). Dip into warm, soapy water and lovingly swab every nook and cranny. Replace brush in pail. Do same with smaller brush for the cassette and intricacies of the rear derailleur. Once again grasp hose and spray soapy water off bike. Turn off spigot and coil hose for future use. Remove bike from stand and bounce twice to dislodge what water you can. Wheel back to garage and let dry. Once dry, lube all pivots with a good dry lube; do same with chain. Do not, I repeat, do not wax or buff with cloth -- that is unmanly and will only harm your psyche. Fixed gears, with one cog, one ring and one brake, are of course easier than messy, complicated derailleur bikes. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Sam Hillborne Photos and Review
Only once in ten years of riding the Bertin have I dismounted after a ride and not said to myself, boy, I love this bike. What went wrong that one time? You had to ask, huh. I rolled a sew-up, I think, and went down hard. I don't remember that event or the next ten days. I only remember from the time I was rolled be to rehab after the hip replacement which took place four days after admission. They couldn't operate until the bleeding in my brain stopped. Yes, I was wearing a helmet and it cracked. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] test #2
Jim has been kind enough to let me send another test message. Jim, thanks for all your suggestions and help. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Two Days, Two Bikes, Two Rides
On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:57 PM, CycloFiend wrote: enjoy! Thanks, I did! I love that landscape. Gotta get down there again some day. Rob in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hard to Let Go
Good for Chole My Daughter is 7 and is just getting comfortable on the bike, she prefers her Razor, so this is a ways off for me but I imagine I will have the same mix of pride and anxiety. I am thinking back but I may have soloed by 8 or so in my Suburban Portland 'hood. On Jun 28, 3:27 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops! Seems that Gigi is not about the kind of little girls that I had in mind! Sorry! On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:23 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSGM3ZTP2nw On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: She's 10 [going on 35yrs old]. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Hard to Let Go
Big step! Congrats to all. We're still a few years away from that Rob in Seattle On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:23 PM, S.Cutshall wrote: Our daughter, Chloe, has been asking both me my wife about our first solo rides as kids. This all started easily enough, I didn't -for one- see where she was going with these questions... eventually though, it was obvious, she wanted to go solo herself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Remember those learning bikes in the Rivendell Reader? Success Story here
Fantastic--thanks for sharing that. We had a similar experience with our boy, who is now seven. He started out at four or so on a Skuut, which is the $89 version of the nice wooden bikes I first saw in the Riv Reader. The lack of steering lock is a real boon. He LOVED that thing! When he was five he graduated to a Trek Float which has easily removable cranks/pedals and 16 wheels. He rode it without the pedals for part of a summer. We picked up a Trail-a-Bike for free, and he wanted to go out every night on it for a week--learning the muscle movements for pedaling apparently. That Sunday he said I think I'd like to try the pedals. We set him up on our street, a very slight incline, and he took off and rode three miles with us on Bicycle Sunday! (The City closes Lake Washington Boulevard to cars on summer Sundays.) He spent the next days doing figure-8s in the alley, honing his new skills--just as your nephew did. It is exhilarating to see your kids make these leaps. Rob in Seattle On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:04 AM, James Warren wrote: 3) the absolute best-of-all: a ride with my brother and his 5.8-year- old son on the Santa Clara bike path. It was flat and was probably about 6 miles total. (We rode by the Great America roller coasters.) Here is why it was the best ride: My nephew had learned to ride the day before. He spent Friday morning learning to negotiate a complicated loop near his house, and every once in a while had spontaneous pure-joy outbursts like, It's great to ride without training wheels! This is the best! and I love donuts! After all that training, we raised the bar by going out on the public use trail. He got really good at holding his course and stayed to right and learned to pass people on the left (using his bell) and he had the best time. There is nothing better than riding with a kid on a steep learning curve and having a blast discovering the exploring you can do in a bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WIDE fenders
I'm sure they don't help the aerodynamic drag one bit; although I didn't notice it. I suppose if they are catching all the water, they are probably catching some of the air too. Angus On Jun 28, 8:11 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using SKS P65s on Schwalbe Marathon 26x1.75s. Cosmetically, they are a bit too wide. But, my fork is so wide that I felt skinny fenders would have looked even worse. I do wonder how much wind resistance all that extra width creates. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis Name
In my prior life in Los Angeles I descended Palos Verdes Blvd East, a reasonable quick winding road behind another rider. PV East always was a challenging road due to the corners...and guard rails...and trees...and drops...I loved it. At the roll out at the bottom of the descent I pulled up next to the other rider who was on an Astro Daimler. I made some comment like what a wonderful old bike...he replied...thanks, but it's not as old as yours. My All-Rounder was 2 years old at the time... Angus On Jun 28, 8:48 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: Seth Vidal said: bridgestone made an atlantis.. That's why the riv atlantises are atlantis2. -sv --- There was an Atlantis before, but I thought I¹d read that the 2 reflected Grant¹s assertion that the Rivendell Atlantis was the second best bike on the planet, after the Rivendell custom. -- Jon But I'm Old, and I Could Be Wrong Grant, in hot, dark, stormy Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
on 6/29/10 7:43 AM, Mojo at gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. The old mtb axiom was dirty bike, clean drivetrain. And clean drivetrain can certainly be a range. :^) In these parts (north of SF), and pretty much up and down California, we start getting mid-summer fine dust on every trail that is pretty pervasive. Any slightly damp bit in the drivetrain attracts it. By this time of year, if the rollers of the chain are silver, I'm pretty happy. That side mung on GP's chainrings is pretty much visually equivilent to mine, and I've only ridden twice since the last scrubbing. I'm trying to be regular about soap brush scrubbing every 2-3 weeks, but that could mean as many as 15-20 rides. Road riding alone won't really do that, but if you ride or incorporate trails, it can look pretty brutal fairly quickly. This was a 2 hour loop on the local trails (which aren't even quite that dry/dusty yet.) http://tinyurl.com/drivegrime And as for the RBW photo you linked to, I _DIG_ that Hunqachromatic choice on the new caps - wished I'd remembered to snap one up when over there... - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
Stronglight makes 130/74 triples w/OBB as stated. http://www.stronglight.com/stronglight/page.php?nom=produitkeyProd=zlightactivlinktri Under the Strong Tech head, go to chainline and Q factor for specs. Surly Mr. Whirly. With a 47.5mm chainline spindle it's a 166mm Q. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Remember those learning bikes in the Rivendell Reader? Success Story here
Awesome post Jim, when I am on a ride and get frustrated that I am not going faster or climbing better etc I try to remember - dude you are on a bike ride smile! I love that kids get this Intuitively. Mojo Its tough, I got a free bike and removed the pedals and lowered the seat to make a skutt type bike and she used it but wasn't thrilled, she much prefered her razor scooter. After a couple times riding around on her training wheel bike she said Daddy can we take off the training wheels? music to my ears. I wanted to push her faster but held my tounge and I'm glad a I did. Your Granddaughter will get there especially when her friends start riding ;-) Ryan On Jun 28, 9:03 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: What a great story, Jim! Mojo - don't sweat her learning the 'right' way. If training wheels get her on a bike, she'll learn to ride it. My kid rode training wheels for about six months, and took them off when he was 4 1/2 (Memorial Day weekend, in fact). That summer he rode all the way around Angel Island. At Toy Fair (Interbike for toys) I saw a product: a kids' bike wheel with a gyro inside to keep the bike upright. Just the wheel cost as much as a really nice Skuut. And you couldn't pass it down, because the battery wears out and can't be replaced. Philip 97128 On Jun 28, 11:10 am, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah well, I wish it was going so well for my 3.5yr old grandaughter, Kiana. She has a Skuut, the crankless wooden bike sold by REI. She hates it. Really...hates it. Go put that away Grandpa! She wants a training wheel bike SOOO bad. This doesn't fit into my plans for here to learn to glide and balance, then add in the pedaling. I know best about bikes, right? :~} I am about to go look for a used training-wheels bike for her. So I am jealous of your nephew's day of discovery. On Jun 28, 10:04 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I had three great rides this weekend: 1) Halfmoon Bay (in California) down to the Tunitas Creek climb 2) A loop around San Luis Obispo 3) the absolute best-of-all: a ride with my brother and his 5.8-year-old son on the Santa Clara bike path. It was flat and was probably about 6 miles total. (We rode by the Great America roller coasters.) Here is why it was the best ride: My nephew had learned to ride the day before. He spent Friday morning learning to negotiate a complicated loop near his house, and every once in a while had spontaneous pure-joy outbursts like, It's great to ride without training wheels! This is the best! and I love donuts! After all that training, we raised the bar by going out on the public use trail. He got really good at holding his course and stayed to right and learned to pass people on the left (using his bell) and he had the best time. There is nothing better than riding with a kid on a steep learning curve and having a blast discovering the exploring you can do in a bike. And Rivendell-connection: Many years ago, they reviewed some learning bikes that teach kids balance on wide tire bikes without training wheels and without pedals. The idea is that the kid learns to get the feel for the balancing process on a moving bike so that they experience the gyroscope effect but don't have their balance-feeling process interrupted by the training wheels. My nephew's experience: he had had some training wheel experience with its typical ineffectiveness. He then started to ride one of these learning bikes described above. After using the learning bike for a little while, one day (last Thursday specifically) he picked up a regular bike with pedals when no one was looking and decided to see if he could get the balance on that. He started doing it in the drive way, wobbly figuring it out himself, but certainly getting it up to speed and pedaling it on his own. My brother was in the kitchen cleaning up, looked outside and noticed what his son was doing. He excitedly grabbed the camera nearby, ran outside, and started filming. A day and a half later, my nephew was ready for the trail. One thing I love about all of this was that there was no coaxing or frustrating teaching from adults who want it so bad for their kid. Maybe they were lucky; maybe he's gifted, but I'm pretty sure the learning bike did the job for which it was designed. Thanks for reading. I had to share and since the learning bike was in the RR, I found a loophole to share with this list! -Jim W.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Photos and Review
I'm rather surprised by your comment that you've never ridden your LongLow no-hands. I own an originally purchased 65 cm Rivendell Road Standard, which has virtually identical geometry to the LongLow, with the exception of the longer chainstays on the LongLow and (possibly) a higher sloping head tube on the LongLow. I have absolutely no problems riding my Road Standard hands-off. It's very stable with no hint of a tendency to wander or behave badly. I really don't get all the concerns about the geometry of Rivendells that are sometimes expressed on this, and other (e.g.i-BOB) forums. The geometries aren't all that different from some of the classic road bikes of the 1970-80's (my 1977 Schwinn Paramount is fairly similar, for example). I've also owned, by the way, a very classic French 531 Gitane Super Corsa that I purchased way back in 1971 and later sold. I don't recall that it was a revelatory experience riding that bike. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jun 28, 6:43 pm, Don Genovese dgen...@gmail.com wrote: I think that my greatest disappointment has been, after the floppiness and light feeling of the front end ... just doesn't shine like the bikes that remain in my possession Read that and had to respond, likewise, regarding the handling of my 1998 Longlow. In all other respects it is a wonderful ride. However, I ride my circa 70's Bertin far more than the Longlow, although the Longlow has taken me across the USA. Only once in ten years of riding the Bertin have I dismounted after a ride and not said to myself, boy, I love this bike. I don't know, there's something about those Reynolds 531 French bikes. I ride the Bertin no-hands easily. I've never ridden the Longlow no-hands. I still wouldn't part with the Rivendell Longlow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: brass fenders on orange Hillborne? thumbs up or down?
Brass won't rust, it's made from copper and zinc. To keep it looking good, use Brasso, a liquid in a small can, found at hardware stores. It makes a great polish for non anodized Aluminum also. As far as looks when it comes to bikes ... you've got no one to please but yourself. You may or may not like it at first. You may grow to like them. First reactions are wrong 50% of the time. . . or something like that! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] videos
I'm getting videos from RBW, where did they come from? I can't seem to delete them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Photos and Review
You had to ask, huh. I rolled a sew-up, Sorry. I am building up a late 70s style race bike for fun. I am tempted to use sew ups, but given my complete lack of experience, stories such as yours have me thinking maybe not. Glad you are still with us and riding. On Jun 29, 10:42 am, Don Genovese dgen...@gmail.com wrote: Only once in ten years of riding the Bertin have I dismounted after a ride and not said to myself, boy, I love this bike. What went wrong that one time? You had to ask, huh. I rolled a sew-up, I think, and went down hard. I don't remember that event or the next ten days. I only remember from the time I was rolled be to rehab after the hip replacement which took place four days after admission. They couldn't operate until the bleeding in my brain stopped. Yes, I was wearing a helmet and it cracked. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Photos and Review
I really don't get all the concerns about the geometry of Rivendells that are sometimes expressed on this, and other (e.g.i-BOB) forums. The geometries aren't all that different from some of the classic road bikes of the 1970-80's (my 1977 Schwinn Paramount is fairly similar, for example). I've also owned, by the way, a very classic French 531 Gitane Super Corsa that I purchased way back in 1971 and later sold. I don't recall that it was a revelatory experience riding that bike I wonder if the difference is the geometry or Reynolds 531. As your post indicates, not everyone is a fan. Those that are, really love it. Some custom builders charge a premium for builds with NOS 531 sets. On Jun 29, 12:04 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm rather surprised by your comment that you've never ridden your LongLow no-hands. I own an originally purchased 65 cm Rivendell Road Standard, which has virtually identical geometry to the LongLow, with the exception of the longer chainstays on the LongLow and (possibly) a higher sloping head tube on the LongLow. I have absolutely no problems riding my Road Standard hands-off. It's very stable with no hint of a tendency to wander or behave badly. I really don't get all the concerns about the geometry of Rivendells that are sometimes expressed on this, and other (e.g.i-BOB) forums. The geometries aren't all that different from some of the classic road bikes of the 1970-80's (my 1977 Schwinn Paramount is fairly similar, for example). I've also owned, by the way, a very classic French 531 Gitane Super Corsa that I purchased way back in 1971 and later sold. I don't recall that it was a revelatory experience riding that bike. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jun 28, 6:43 pm, Don Genovese dgen...@gmail.com wrote: I think that my greatest disappointment has been, after the floppiness and light feeling of the front end ... just doesn't shine like the bikes that remain in my possession Read that and had to respond, likewise, regarding the handling of my 1998 Longlow. In all other respects it is a wonderful ride. However, I ride my circa 70's Bertin far more than the Longlow, although the Longlow has taken me across the USA. Only once in ten years of riding the Bertin have I dismounted after a ride and not said to myself, boy, I love this bike. I don't know, there's something about those Reynolds 531 French bikes. I ride the Bertin no-hands easily. I've never ridden the Longlow no-hands. I still wouldn't part with the Rivendell Longlow.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
I look at Grant's bikes and think there is a bike that's put to good and proper use. Clean bikes look nice and all, but if it's between cleaning a bike and getting out for a ride I'd rather go for a ride. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I look at Grant's bikes and think there is a bike that's put to good and proper use. Clean bikes look nice and all, but if it's between cleaning a bike and getting out for a ride I'd rather go for a ride. Ditto. And if it's between an extra couple of miles on my morning ride or getting back early enough to clean the bike before work, the miles win. I do try to remember to clean each spring but I've been known to forget. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
Another one who rarely cleans the bike. Sure if I'm working on it in the stand it might get a rub down. But only if I feel it needs it. That A Homer Hilsen looks a lot nicer than my Sam Hillborne. Funny, when I was a youngster, was sort of obsessive about cleaning things. Now with middle age, can't seem to be bothered most of the time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 29, 1:38 pm, Kenneth Stagg kenneth.st...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I look at Grant's bikes and think there is a bike that's put to good and proper use. Clean bikes look nice and all, but if it's between cleaning a bike and getting out for a ride I'd rather go for a ride. Ditto. And if it's between an extra couple of miles on my morning ride or getting back early enough to clean the bike before work, the miles win. I do try to remember to clean each spring but I've been known to forget. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
So you all confirmed what I already suspected, I am the strange one. But western Colorado is not alot different than Northern California with lots of summer dust. And its alot like Albuquerque here too with the dust intermixed with big monsoonal heavy rains. I can't remember the last time I used a hose, bucket, and brush to clean a bike. But after getting caught in the rain, I wipe down the tubes, lube the derailers brake calipers, and finally wipe and lube the chain. This takes 10 minutes total. Prolink cleans and lubes in one application. Dusty rides are no harder than that. And Jim is right, my mtn bike gets the really big chunks knocked off only. But its chain has fresh White Lightning on it regularly. Finally, those three grim guys look like they would be a lot of fun to ride with. I should be so lucky. On Jun 29, 12:45 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who rarely cleans the bike. Sure if I'm working on it in the stand it might get a rub down. But only if I feel it needs it. That A Homer Hilsen looks a lot nicer than my Sam Hillborne. Funny, when I was a youngster, was sort of obsessive about cleaning things. Now with middle age, can't seem to be bothered most of the time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 29, 1:38 pm, Kenneth Stagg kenneth.st...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I look at Grant's bikes and think there is a bike that's put to good and proper use. Clean bikes look nice and all, but if it's between cleaning a bike and getting out for a ride I'd rather go for a ride. Ditto. And if it's between an extra couple of miles on my morning ride or getting back early enough to clean the bike before work, the miles win. I do try to remember to clean each spring but I've been known to forget. -Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
Bike cleaning? What is that of which you speak? Is that something more than dripping Prolink on the chain and wiping the rims? :) Ryan On Jun 29, 12:19 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: So you all confirmed what I already suspected, I am the strange one. But western Colorado is not alot different than Northern California with lots of summer dust. And its alot like Albuquerque here too with the dust intermixed with big monsoonal heavy rains. I can't remember the last time I used a hose, bucket, and brush to clean a bike. But after getting caught in the rain, I wipe down the tubes, lube the derailers brake calipers, and finally wipe and lube the chain. This takes 10 minutes total. Prolink cleans and lubes in one application. Dusty rides are no harder than that. And Jim is right, my mtn bike gets the really big chunks knocked off only. But its chain has fresh White Lightning on it regularly. Finally, those three grim guys look like they would be a lot of fun to ride with. I should be so lucky. On Jun 29, 12:45 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who rarely cleans the bike. Sure if I'm working on it in the stand it might get a rub down. But only if I feel it needs it. That A Homer Hilsen looks a lot nicer than my Sam Hillborne. Funny, when I was a youngster, was sort of obsessive about cleaning things. Now with middle age, can't seem to be bothered most of the time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 29, 1:38 pm, Kenneth Stagg kenneth.st...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I look at Grant's bikes and think there is a bike that's put to good and proper use. Clean bikes look nice and all, but if it's between cleaning a bike and getting out for a ride I'd rather go for a ride. Ditto. And if it's between an extra couple of miles on my morning ride or getting back early enough to clean the bike before work, the miles win. I do try to remember to clean each spring but I've been known to forget. -Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal?
Here's a pic of the Whites with the BG steel clips on my Quickbeam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542...@n04/4411496143/sizes/l/in/photostream/ . I found the BG clips so large (leaving my foot so far forward on the pedal) that I had very significant toe clip overlap, so I took the clips off. But with the clips off I didn't like the Whites as much, so I'm now using Tioga Spyder pedals that Riv used to sell, which I like better than the Whites for this bike. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:24 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal? If no one else does in the meantime, I will send the pedal dimensions tonight. The Whites are not tiny by any standard. On Jun 28, 11:40 pm, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in getting this combo, but I was wondering about your comment re: dirty shoes. I've noticed that when I put a Sigg bottle in my Nitto stainless cages there are stains from the contact, so I'm wondering does stainless steel also stain shoes, or is that ONLY with the Ti? It seems like an awesome combination, but I'd rather not make my good riding shoes gnarly... Also, if anyone who's got these pedals could post the dimensions of them that'd be great. I got expensive Tiogas once and couldn't stand them because of the tiny size after a while. On Jun 8, 9:48 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Ginz: I find the Whites flip so easy I don't even think about it anymore. It just happens. No photos at the moment and my camera battery is dead. At rest the pedals are not upside down. The flip point is maybe 7 or 8 degrees beyond perpendicular. If you do not mind dirty shoes (and do not mind paying a whole heck of a lot more money) the Ti BG clips are lighter than the stainless steel. I have a set and with them on at rest the pedal is almost perpendicular. I actually prefer when the tab is angled a bit forward (and did not like my shoes with half clip marks on them) so I put the Ti clips in a box somewhere and now use the BG steel clips. (With luck some weight weenie just read this sentence and dropped the computer) On Jun 8, 7:38 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jeff and Joel, Are theWhite'sTHAT easy to get into? I'm tired of struggling with the tiny flip tab on my MKS pedals. I just checked out the Bruce Gordon site. Nice stuff! Joel, do you have any photos of yourWhite/Bruce Gordon clip set-up?! When your foot is removed, do the pedals flip upside down completely, or does the flip end point to the sky? Is it easy to get into at that position? Thanks, Ginz- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
Sugino makes the Alpina in an external BB I thought. On Jun 29, 12:30 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Stronglight makes 130/74 triples w/OBB as stated.http://www.stronglight.com/stronglight/page.php?nom=produitkeyProd=z... Under the Strong Tech head, go to chainline and Q factor for specs. Surly Mr. Whirly. With a 47.5mm chainline spindle it's a 166mm Q. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Velcro-ripping sound coming from fender area
So everytime I ride (daily), inevitably at some point in my trip, I will hear a velcro-ripping sound that seems like it coming from under my SKS front fender. I always look to see if i just ran over something, a pile of leaves or whatever, but nada. Nothing seems to spit oout. Not that I would see it. My fenders are mounted close to the tire is it rubbing? Anybody else experience this phenomenon!? Can I make it go away?!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
I've been getting really tolerant of slop, and it's gotten beyond just the cleanliness. My Ram is currently not only dirty, but the indexing (9-speed rear) seems a bit off, but I don't care enough to fix it. And I'm not putting it in friction mode either! What's going on is that the bike will stay in gear, but on the higher gears, the one-to-one correspondence between derailleur position and shifter position is not always consistent. But 9 speeds is so many that I tend not to care. It's in some gear, and I know I can get to the lower ones when I need to. Sometimes 4 clicks gets me back to the 3rd highest gear, and sometimes those same 4 clicks gets me to the 4th highest gear. I'll fix it later. Later has stretched on for a couple of months now. I still have a big gear range, and when I pedal, the bike goes. -Jim W. -Original Message- From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net Sent: Jun 29, 2010 12:35 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them! on 6/29/10 7:43 AM, Mojo at gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. The old mtb axiom was dirty bike, clean drivetrain. And clean drivetrain can certainly be a range. :^) In these parts (north of SF), and pretty much up and down California, we start getting mid-summer fine dust on every trail that is pretty pervasive. Any slightly damp bit in the drivetrain attracts it. By this time of year, if the rollers of the chain are silver, I'm pretty happy. That side mung on GP's chainrings is pretty much visually equivilent to mine, and I've only ridden twice since the last scrubbing. I'm trying to be regular about soap brush scrubbing every 2-3 weeks, but that could mean as many as 15-20 rides. Road riding alone won't really do that, but if you ride or incorporate trails, it can look pretty brutal fairly quickly. This was a 2 hour loop on the local trails (which aren't even quite that dry/dusty yet.) http://tinyurl.com/drivegrime And as for the RBW photo you linked to, I _DIG_ that Hunqachromatic choice on the new caps - wished I'd remembered to snap one up when over there... - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Velcro-ripping sound coming from fender area
I'd hazard a guess that it's small pebbles/debris being carried up under your fender by your tire. I put fenders on a friend's Waterford for him some years ago and the first time it made that noise I was riding next to him and he fairly levitated off the bike with a very alarmed WHAT WAS THAT?!) holler. It was pretty funny... -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:34 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Velcro-ripping sound coming from fender area So everytime I ride (daily), inevitably at some point in my trip, I will hear a velcro-ripping sound that seems like it coming from under my SKS front fender. I always look to see if i just ran over something, a pile of leaves or whatever, but nada. Nothing seems to spit oout. Not that I would see it. My fenders are mounted close to the tire is it rubbing? Anybody else experience this phenomenon!? Can I make it go away?!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
Odd, when I see pics of Grant's bike[s]... if they are especially crusty-looking, I always end up emailing him and asking for him to sell me one. Something about 'well used' gets me excited... I think it translates to Patina of Love. Better said, Use equals Love, Use is Patina... so, Patina of Love. By the way, Grant never returns these emails, ever. -Scott On Jun 29, 7:43 am, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Velcro-ripping sound coming from fender area
Yup. It¹s a piece of gravel picked up by the tire and rolled between the tire and the inner surface of the fender until it¹s spit out at the top. Happens to me much more often when it¹s hot out ‹ I assume because the hot tar on the road makes everything more sticky, so the tire¹s more likely to pick up stuff. -- Jon ³Papa² Grant Illustration + Information Graphics Austin, Texas jgr...@papagrant.com 512-284-9599 Drawings ‹ all sorts From: Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:38:17 -0400 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [RBW] Velcro-ripping sound coming from fender area I'd hazard a guess that it's small pebbles/debris being carried up under your fender by your tire. I put fenders on a friend's Waterford for him some years ago and the first time it made that noise I was riding next to him and he fairly levitated off the bike with a very alarmed WHAT WAS THAT?!) holler. It was pretty funny... -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:34 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Velcro-ripping sound coming from fender area So everytime I ride (daily), inevitably at some point in my trip, I will hear a velcro-ripping sound that seems like it coming from under my SKS front fender. I always look to see if i just ran over something, a pile of leaves or whatever, but nada. Nothing seems to spit oout. Not that I would see it. My fenders are mounted close to the tire is it rubbing? Anybody else experience this phenomenon!? Can I make it go away?!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, when I see pics of Grant's bike[s]... if they are especially crusty-looking, I always end up emailing him and asking for him to sell me one. Something about 'well used' gets me excited... I think it translates to Patina of Love. Better said, Use equals Love, Use is Patina... so, Patina of Love. By the way, Grant never returns these emails, ever. I suspect you'll get a response in a little bit after he reads this. :) I'd hope for an amused one - something about a significant upcharge for the aged patina of love that's been carefully added. Like stonewashed jeans. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
But western Colorado is not alot different than Northern California with lots of summer dust. And its alot like Albuquerque here too with the dust intermixed with big monsoonal heavy rains. How can western Colorado be like Northern Cali and Albuquerque at the same time? When it cools down in winter you get muito rain in Northern Cali. Otherwise most of the precip comes in with the fog. On Jun 29, 2:19 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: So you all confirmed what I already suspected, I am the strange one. But western Colorado is not alot different than Northern California with lots of summer dust. And its alot like Albuquerque here too with the dust intermixed with big monsoonal heavy rains. I can't remember the last time I used a hose, bucket, and brush to clean a bike. But after getting caught in the rain, I wipe down the tubes, lube the derailers brake calipers, and finally wipe and lube the chain. This takes 10 minutes total. Prolink cleans and lubes in one application. Dusty rides are no harder than that. And Jim is right, my mtn bike gets the really big chunks knocked off only. But its chain has fresh White Lightning on it regularly. Finally, those three grim guys look like they would be a lot of fun to ride with. I should be so lucky. On Jun 29, 12:45 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who rarely cleans the bike. Sure if I'm working on it in the stand it might get a rub down. But only if I feel it needs it. That A Homer Hilsen looks a lot nicer than my Sam Hillborne. Funny, when I was a youngster, was sort of obsessive about cleaning things. Now with middle age, can't seem to be bothered most of the time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 29, 1:38 pm, Kenneth Stagg kenneth.st...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I look at Grant's bikes and think there is a bike that's put to good and proper use. Clean bikes look nice and all, but if it's between cleaning a bike and getting out for a ride I'd rather go for a ride. Ditto. And if it's between an extra couple of miles on my morning ride or getting back early enough to clean the bike before work, the miles win. I do try to remember to clean each spring but I've been known to forget. -Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal?
Perhaps you should try a smaller size toe clip??? The White pedals extend forward from the pedal spindle about 3/8 to 1/2 further than a traditional old Campagnolo Pedal. I run White Pedals and my strapless clips on my city bikes - there is no easier combination to get in and out of than that set up. Regards, Bruce Gordon www.bgcycles.com www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allingham II, Thomas J Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:27 PM To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal? Here's a pic of the Whites with the BG steel clips on my Quickbeam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542...@n04/4411496143/sizes/l/in/photostream/ . I found the BG clips so large (leaving my foot so far forward on the pedal) that I had very significant toe clip overlap, so I took the clips off. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal?
I found the BG clips so large (leaving my foot so far forward on the pedal) that I had very significant toe clip overlap, so I took the clips off. BG clip comes in three sizes. But with the clips off I didn't like the Whites as much, so I'm now using Tioga Spyder pedals that Riv used to sell, which I like better than the Whites for this bike. No surprise there. The pedal is designed for use with toe clips, half clips or a power grip. On Jun 29, 2:26 pm, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Here's a pic of the Whites with the BG steel clips on my Quickbeam:http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542...@n04/4411496143/sizes/l/in/photo I found the BG clips so large (leaving my foot so far forward on the pedal) that I had very significant toe clip overlap, so I took the clips off. But with the clips off I didn't like the Whites as much, so I'm now using Tioga Spyder pedals that Riv used to sell, which I like better than the Whites for this bike. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:24 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal? If no one else does in the meantime, I will send the pedal dimensions tonight. The Whites are not tiny by any standard. On Jun 28, 11:40 pm, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in getting this combo, but I was wondering about your comment re: dirty shoes. I've noticed that when I put a Sigg bottle in my Nitto stainless cages there are stains from the contact, so I'm wondering does stainless steel also stain shoes, or is that ONLY with the Ti? It seems like an awesome combination, but I'd rather not make my good riding shoes gnarly... Also, if anyone who's got these pedals could post the dimensions of them that'd be great. I got expensive Tiogas once and couldn't stand them because of the tiny size after a while. On Jun 8, 9:48 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Ginz: I find the Whites flip so easy I don't even think about it anymore. It just happens. No photos at the moment and my camera battery is dead. At rest the pedals are not upside down. The flip point is maybe 7 or 8 degrees beyond perpendicular. If you do not mind dirty shoes (and do not mind paying a whole heck of a lot more money) the Ti BG clips are lighter than the stainless steel. I have a set and with them on at rest the pedal is almost perpendicular. I actually prefer when the tab is angled a bit forward (and did not like my shoes with half clip marks on them) so I put the Ti clips in a box somewhere and now use the BG steel clips. (With luck some weight weenie just read this sentence and dropped the computer) On Jun 8, 7:38 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jeff and Joel, Are theWhite'sTHAT easy to get into? I'm tired of struggling with the tiny flip tab on my MKS pedals. I just checked out the Bruce Gordon site. Nice stuff! Joel, do you have any photos of yourWhite/Bruce Gordon clip set-up?! When your foot is removed, do the pedals flip upside down completely, or does the flip end point to the sky? Is it easy to get into at that position? Thanks, Ginz- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. ------ To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
Naw, he won't touch this subject via email with me... I think it concerns him that a floodgate would be opened: in a few years people would pester him, and eventually he'd have only new -clean- bikes in his garage. And eBay would be loaded with Rivendell's Grant Petersen's OWN Personal Bike type auctions. Can't blame him [even though I'd never sell the one he sold me, but like I said-he won't sell me one!]... -Scott On Jun 29, 1:25 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, when I see pics of Grant's bike[s]... if they are especially crusty-looking, I always end up emailing him and asking for him to sell me one. Something about 'well used' gets me excited... I think it translates to Patina of Love. Better said, Use equals Love, Use is Patina... so, Patina of Love. By the way, Grant never returns these emails, ever. I suspect you'll get a response in a little bit after he reads this. :) I'd hope for an amused one - something about a significant upcharge for the aged patina of love that's been carefully added. Like stonewashed jeans. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
My recollection from riding across Colorado is that the western part is all at altitude (5,000 feet and up). NorCal (at least, the part near Sacramento that I live in) is about 50 feet above sea level. We don't get nearly as much snow as they do ;-) --Eric Sent from my iPad On Jun 29, 2010, at 1:26 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: But western Colorado is not alot different than Northern California with lots of summer dust. And its alot like Albuquerque here too with the dust intermixed with big monsoonal heavy rains. How can western Colorado be like Northern Cali and Albuquerque at the same time? When it cools down in winter you get muito rain in Northern Cali. Otherwise most of the precip comes in with the fog. On Jun 29, 2:19 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: So you all confirmed what I already suspected, I am the strange one. But western Colorado is not alot different than Northern California with lots of summer dust. And its alot like Albuquerque here too with the dust intermixed with big monsoonal heavy rains. I can't remember the last time I used a hose, bucket, and brush to clean a bike. But after getting caught in the rain, I wipe down the tubes, lube the derailers brake calipers, and finally wipe and lube the chain. This takes 10 minutes total. Prolink cleans and lubes in one application. Dusty rides are no harder than that. And Jim is right, my mtn bike gets the really big chunks knocked off only. But its chain has fresh White Lightning on it regularly. Finally, those three grim guys look like they would be a lot of fun to ride with. I should be so lucky. On Jun 29, 12:45 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who rarely cleans the bike. Sure if I'm working on it in the stand it might get a rub down. But only if I feel it needs it. That A Homer Hilsen looks a lot nicer than my Sam Hillborne. Funny, when I was a youngster, was sort of obsessive about cleaning things. Now with middle age, can't seem to be bothered most of the time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 29, 1:38 pm, Kenneth Stagg kenneth.st...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I look at Grant's bikes and think there is a bike that's put to good and proper use. Clean bikes look nice and all, but if it's between cleaning a bike and getting out for a ride I'd rather go for a ride. Ditto. And if it's between an extra couple of miles on my morning ride or getting back early enough to clean the bike before work, the miles win. I do try to remember to clean each spring but I've been known to forget. -Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Grant super slick Camera strap!
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg Check out Grant's camera strap! Smart design. I've been one to just hang the single strap over my neck or across on shoulder-over-my-neck combo. Grants strap seems like a reliable strap. Hope this becomes a Rivendell product! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Grant's excellent comments today
Check out today's post on the Riv website for Grant's comments on dependent vs independent variables in bike design. While he sorta apologizes for the tone, I find it quite direct and to the point. Look folks, here's the bits that matter the rest are the result. Makes sense to me. One of the most lovable features of Rivendell is the just the facts tone of so many of their published pieces. People occassionally ask me some dimension on my Atlantis. Other than the frame size, I don't know. I refer them to Riv's website if they want to agonize over seat tube angles. The bike does what it's supposed to do quite nicely. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap!
Pretty sure that is a store- bought strap. Check out your local outdoor retailer, camera shop, or REI-- one of them should know what you are looking for and may have it in stock. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal?
So do these pedals definitely work with the Power Grips that RBW sells? That would be the ideal option for me at $50 cheaper than BG clips, stain-free and more 'flexible' than any clips. On Jun 29, 4:30 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I found the BG clips so large (leaving my foot so far forward on the pedal) that I had very significant toe clip overlap, so I took the clips off. BG clip comes in three sizes. But with the clips off I didn't like the Whites as much, so I'm now using Tioga Spyder pedals that Riv used to sell, which I like better than the Whites for this bike. No surprise there. The pedal is designed for use with toe clips, half clips or a power grip. On Jun 29, 2:26 pm, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Here's a pic of the Whites with the BG steel clips on my Quickbeam:http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542...@n04/4411496143/sizes/l/in/photo I found the BG clips so large (leaving my foot so far forward on the pedal) that I had very significant toe clip overlap, so I took the clips off. But with the clips off I didn't like the Whites as much, so I'm now using Tioga Spyder pedals that Riv used to sell, which I like better than the Whites for this bike. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:24 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal? If no one else does in the meantime, I will send the pedal dimensions tonight. The Whites are not tiny by any standard. On Jun 28, 11:40 pm, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in getting this combo, but I was wondering about your comment re: dirty shoes. I've noticed that when I put a Sigg bottle in my Nitto stainless cages there are stains from the contact, so I'm wondering does stainless steel also stain shoes, or is that ONLY with the Ti? It seems like an awesome combination, but I'd rather not make my good riding shoes gnarly... Also, if anyone who's got these pedals could post the dimensions of them that'd be great. I got expensive Tiogas once and couldn't stand them because of the tiny size after a while. On Jun 8, 9:48 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Ginz: I find the Whites flip so easy I don't even think about it anymore. It just happens. No photos at the moment and my camera battery is dead. At rest the pedals are not upside down. The flip point is maybe 7 or 8 degrees beyond perpendicular. If you do not mind dirty shoes (and do not mind paying a whole heck of a lot more money) the Ti BG clips are lighter than the stainless steel. I have a set and with them on at rest the pedal is almost perpendicular. I actually prefer when the tab is angled a bit forward (and did not like my shoes with half clip marks on them) so I put the Ti clips in a box somewhere and now use the BG steel clips. (With luck some weight weenie just read this sentence and dropped the computer) On Jun 8, 7:38 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jeff and Joel, Are theWhite'sTHAT easy to get into? I'm tired of struggling with the tiny flip tab on my MKS pedals. I just checked out the Bruce Gordon site. Nice stuff! Joel, do you have any photos of yourWhite/Bruce Gordon clip set-up?! When your foot is removed, do the pedals flip upside down completely, or does the flip end point to the sky? Is it easy to get into at that position? Thanks, Ginz- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. ------ To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally
[RBW] Bullmoose Colors
So the new (larger size) Bullmoose bars are in stock at Riv in limited colors. I can't use the larger size but maybe someone here would be into them. If anyone has a current one but would rather have one of these let me know and I will buy your older one off you. :) http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/bullmoose-colors/40-022 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap!
I'm sure that the strap in the photo that Grant is using is available from various sources. Your can find one here, for example: http://www.adorama.com/OTBCHE.html. The camera that he's using, on the other hand, might be more difficult to pick up. It's a classic Leica M3 rangefinder 35mm camera. No digibox for Grant! Jim On Jun 29, 2:10 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg Check out Grant's camera strap! Smart design. I've been one to just hang the single strap over my neck or across on shoulder-over-my-neck combo. Grants strap seems like a reliable strap. Hope this becomes a Rivendell product! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap!
I'm more curious about why he seems to be wearing a watch on each arm. Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:58:55 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap! From: cloud...@aol.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I'm sure that the strap in the photo that Grant is using is available from various sources. Your can find one here, for example: http://www.adorama.com/OTBCHE.html. The camera that he's using, on the other hand, might be more difficult to pick up. It's a classic Leica M3 rangefinder 35mm camera. No digibox for Grant! Jim On Jun 29, 2:10 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg Check out Grant's camera strap! Smart design. I've been one to just hang the single strap over my neck or across on shoulder-over-my-neck combo. Grants strap seems like a reliable strap. Hope this becomes a Rivendell product! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap!
Heart monitor. He's bloggered about it before. On Jun 29, 7:01 pm, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm more curious about why he seems to be wearing a watch on each arm. Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:58:55 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap! From: cloud...@aol.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I'm sure that the strap in the photo that Grant is using is available from various sources. Your can find one here, for example: http://www.adorama.com/OTBCHE.html. The camera that he's using, on the other hand, might be more difficult to pick up. It's a classic Leica M3 rangefinder 35mm camera. No digibox for Grant! Jim On Jun 29, 2:10 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg Check out Grant's camera strap! Smart design. I've been one to just hang the single strap over my neck or across on shoulder-over-my-neck combo. Grants strap seems like a reliable strap. Hope this becomes a Rivendell product! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail.http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendaroci... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
I'm shocked you haven't started getting the same emails since you retired BBC #1! Seeing his AHH just makes me want one even more. On Jun 29, 4:33 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Naw, he won't touch this subject via email with me... I think it concerns him that a floodgate would be opened: in a few years people would pester him, and eventually he'd have only new -clean- bikes in his garage. And eBay would be loaded with Rivendell's Grant Petersen's OWN Personal Bike type auctions. Can't blame him [even though I'd never sell the one he sold me, but like I said-he won't sell me one!]... -Scott On Jun 29, 1:25 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, when I see pics of Grant's bike[s]... if they are especially crusty-looking, I always end up emailing him and asking for him to sell me one. Something about 'well used' gets me excited... I think it translates to Patina of Love. Better said, Use equals Love, Use is Patina... so, Patina of Love. By the way, Grant never returns these emails, ever. I suspect you'll get a response in a little bit after he reads this. :) I'd hope for an amused one - something about a significant upcharge for the aged patina of love that's been carefully added. Like stonewashed jeans. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
On Jun 29, 4:38 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: I'm shocked you haven't started getting the same emails since you retired BBC #1! Oddly, I have had 5 offers for it since I put up the post here, and the fotorial over @The Flickr's. The last offer was from a fellow in Japan, and he offered just a touch over 3x's what I paid to have it made... there's just no way I can do it, ever. That bike represents too, too much for me. That thing saved my life. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap!
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm sure that the strap in the photo that Grant is using is available from various sources. Your can find one here, for example: http://www.adorama.com/OTBCHE.html. The camera that he's using, on the other hand, might be more difficult to pick up. It's a classic Leica M3 rangefinder 35mm camera. No digibox for Grant! Does not look like an M3. Maybe a Zeiss Ikon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Late Evening Hillborne Questions
Thomas, You are correct that I bought the 48 mm fluted. In the rear they fit with about 1mm to spare between the chainstays. The 52 mm zeppelins would require bending to get them to fit in that location. They may fit between the seat stays and fork crown as is. -Mike Bellbrook, OH On Jun 26, 5:51 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, Ohio Mike! I presume you refer to the 48mm fluted fenders currently available from VO. http://www.velo-orange.com/vo48poflalfe.html Do you think the 52mm zeppelin fenders from VO would also fit on the bike? http://www.velo-orange.com/vopo52zefe70.html That is, do you think there's enough room between stays/blades to accomodate the extra 4mm? I like the fluted ones. But I like the zeppelins better. And I like even that small an amount of extra tire clearance. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal?
White pedal dimensions - 8.5 cm wide x 7.5 cm long. With the large Gordon half clip I have almost 14 cm. So do these pedals definitely work with the Power Grips that RBW sells? I do not own Power Grips but cannot think of why they would not work with the White Ind. pedals. The pedals have a lot of different places to attach the grips. In fact, I believe I saw a jpg with the set up somewhere, but could not find it in a quick google search. I'ld check with Riv. They must have seen some White pedals by now. Or call White themselves. It is a small operation. I am sure they will be glad to help. On Jun 29, 5:16 pm, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.com wrote: So do these pedals definitely work with the Power Grips that RBW sells? That would be the ideal option for me at $50 cheaper than BG clips, stain-free and more 'flexible' than any clips. On Jun 29, 4:30 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I found the BG clips so large (leaving my foot so far forward on the pedal) that I had very significant toe clip overlap, so I took the clips off. BG clip comes in three sizes. But with the clips off I didn't like the Whites as much, so I'm now using Tioga Spyder pedals that Riv used to sell, which I like better than the Whites for this bike. No surprise there. The pedal is designed for use with toe clips, half clips or a power grip. On Jun 29, 2:26 pm, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Here's a pic of the Whites with the BG steel clips on my Quickbeam:http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542...@n04/4411496143/sizes/l/in/photo I found the BG clips so large (leaving my foot so far forward on the pedal) that I had very significant toe clip overlap, so I took the clips off. But with the clips off I didn't like the Whites as much, so I'm now using Tioga Spyder pedals that Riv used to sell, which I like better than the Whites for this bike. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:24 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried White Industries Urban Pedal? If no one else does in the meantime, I will send the pedal dimensions tonight. The Whites are not tiny by any standard. On Jun 28, 11:40 pm, dos.ruedas rhizomic.upris...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in getting this combo, but I was wondering about your comment re: dirty shoes. I've noticed that when I put a Sigg bottle in my Nitto stainless cages there are stains from the contact, so I'm wondering does stainless steel also stain shoes, or is that ONLY with the Ti? It seems like an awesome combination, but I'd rather not make my good riding shoes gnarly... Also, if anyone who's got these pedals could post the dimensions of them that'd be great. I got expensive Tiogas once and couldn't stand them because of the tiny size after a while. On Jun 8, 9:48 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Ginz: I find the Whites flip so easy I don't even think about it anymore. It just happens. No photos at the moment and my camera battery is dead. At rest the pedals are not upside down. The flip point is maybe 7 or 8 degrees beyond perpendicular. If you do not mind dirty shoes (and do not mind paying a whole heck of a lot more money) the Ti BG clips are lighter than the stainless steel. I have a set and with them on at rest the pedal is almost perpendicular. I actually prefer when the tab is angled a bit forward (and did not like my shoes with half clip marks on them) so I put the Ti clips in a box somewhere and now use the BG steel clips. (With luck some weight weenie just read this sentence and dropped the computer) On Jun 8, 7:38 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jeff and Joel, Are theWhite'sTHAT easy to get into? I'm tired of struggling with the tiny flip tab on my MKS pedals. I just checked out the Bruce Gordon site. Nice stuff! Joel, do you have any photos of yourWhite/Bruce Gordon clip set-up?! When your foot is removed, do the pedals flip upside down completely, or does the flip end point to the sky? Is it easy to get into at that position? Thanks, Ginz- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. --- ---
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
The last offer was from a fellow in Japan, and he offered just a touch over 3x's what I paid to have it made... Wow. Power of the internet!! On Jun 29, 6:49 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 29, 4:38 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: I'm shocked you haven't started getting the same emails since you retired BBC #1! Oddly, I have had 5 offers for it since I put up the post here, and the fotorial over @The Flickr's. The last offer was from a fellow in Japan, and he offered just a touch over 3x's what I paid to have it made... there's just no way I can do it, ever. That bike represents too, too much for me. That thing saved my life. -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bullmoose Colors
With Hunqapillar time just around the corner, I have to think that a new batch of the short-reaches are on the way, too (I hope.) On Jun 29, 6:27 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: So the new (larger size) Bullmoose bars are in stock at Riv in limited colors. I can't use the larger size but maybe someone here would be into them. If anyone has a current one but would rather have one of these let me know and I will buy your older one off you. :) http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/bullmoose-colors/40-022 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap!
Looks like a Zeiss Ikon to me: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/361524-REG/Zeiss_1365_576_Ikon_35mm_Rangefinder_Camera.html http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/361524-REG/Zeiss_1365_576_Ikon_35mm_Rangefinder_Camera.html -Jason On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: It's a classic Leica M3 rangefinder 35mm camera. No digibox for Grant! Jim On Jun 29, 2:10 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Sam Hillborne Photos and Review
I'm rather surprised by your comment that you've never ridden your LongLow no-hands. I really don't get all the concerns about the geometry of Rivendells that are sometimes expressed on this, and other (e.g.i-BOB) forums. The geometries aren't all that different from some of the classic road bikes of the 1970-80's. Let me add another twist: none of my other six bikes (which I can no-hands) descend as confidently, therefore faster, than the Rivendell Longlow. Yes, the Longlow's tires are slightly wider but I suspect it has more to do with the low bottom bracket shell and perhaps the longer chain stays. Huge difference in the Rivendell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Sam Hillborne Photos and Review
I am building up a late 70s style race bike for fun. I am tempted to use sew ups, but given my complete lack of experience, stories such as yours have me thinking maybe not. Glad you are still with us and riding. Thank you. I'm still riding sew-ups on the Bertin, only now I make absolutely sure they are glued on properly. After every ride I clean and inspect the tires and rims. I think that tubular tires are as safe as clinchers If they are mounted correctly. The tire I rolled was not even glued on. It was a new tire I mounted without glue to stretch it, then two weeks later I forgot it wasn't glued. Careless. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
Is the following set-up something to consider? http://interlocracing.com/triplizer.html Don't know how well the set-up works. Perhaps other members will have some feedback. On Jun 29, 2:31 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Sugino makes the Alpina in an external BB I thought. On Jun 29, 12:30 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Stronglight makes 130/74 triples w/OBB as stated.http://www.stronglight.com/stronglight/page.php?nom=produitkeyProd=z... Under the Strong Tech head, go to chainline and Q factor for specs. Surly Mr. Whirly. With a 47.5mm chainline spindle it's a 166mm Q.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap!
Not sure it's a store-bought. Look at the right lug, appears it's a tie down. Might be hissown version of the store bought one. Will agree with the Zeiss Icon camera, maybe Voightlander lens (their lens cover) and maybe an old Minolta CLE grip. The last I'm not positive on, but did have something similar on my CLE years ago. A nice looking camera/strap system. Bouncing around is one reason rarely strap on a camera while I ride. Instead use the old Hobo Bag. (Mandatory Riv content.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 29, 4:10 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg Check out Grant's camera strap! Smart design. I've been one to just hang the single strap over my neck or across on shoulder-over-my-neck combo. Grants strap seems like a reliable strap. Hope this becomes a Rivendell product! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bullmoose Colors
They have the shorter ones in stock right now but they have not been finished yet. I would still prefer a first gen raw one though so I am not giving up. I was also posting this just so everyone that might be interested would see them. On Jun 29, 8:56 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: With Hunqapillar time just around the corner, I have to think that a new batch of the short-reaches are on the way, too (I hope.) On Jun 29, 6:27 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: So the new (larger size) Bullmoose bars are in stock at Riv in limited colors. I can't use the larger size but maybe someone here would be into them. If anyone has a current one but would rather have one of these let me know and I will buy your older one off you. :) http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/bullmoose-colors/40-022 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
Well, external bearings are often marketed based on larger (stronger bearings) and, for lack of a better term, the wide stance that makes the BB stiffer. There's probably a weight savings, too. But for me the greatest advantage is that I can remove and reinstall the crank with a 5 mm allen wrench (also helps to have the little black wheel from the Park BBT-9 for the bearing preload, but that's not absolutely necessary). It would have been handy on this weekend's mini-tour when my old-fashioned cup-and-spindle type square taper BB cup was un- threading itself and I had to find a bike shop where I could borrow a 14 mm crank wrench, crank puller, pin spanner, and BB lockring tool (in my haste, I didn't bring these items as I brought only a much simpler tool kit that I usually use on bikes with external BBs). Fighting proprietary design issues is not how I would characterize it. Unless you have an FSA crank/bb, in which case it gets rather complicated. On Jun 29, 9:27 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Is there an advantage to external bearings that make it worth fighting through proprietary design issues? On Jun 28, 10:36 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a new road frame and I would like to try an external bearing BB. But I want a triple. The only one I've found is Shimano's Ultegra with a 50-39-30. Anyone know of another option? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question Concerning External Bearings BB for triple
But for me the greatest advantage is that I can remove and reinstall the crank with a 5 mm allen wrench (also helps to have the little black wheel from the Park BBT-9 for the bearing preload, but that's not absolutely necessary). That is a definitely a point in external bb favor. Can see why someone would want this. On Jun 29, 8:44 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Well, external bearings are often marketed based on larger (stronger bearings) and, for lack of a better term, the wide stance that makes the BB stiffer. There's probably a weight savings, too. But for me the greatest advantage is that I can remove and reinstall the crank with a 5 mm allen wrench (also helps to have the little black wheel from the Park BBT-9 for the bearing preload, but that's not absolutely necessary). It would have been handy on this weekend's mini-tour when my old-fashioned cup-and-spindle type square taper BB cup was un- threading itself and I had to find a bike shop where I could borrow a 14 mm crank wrench, crank puller, pin spanner, and BB lockring tool (in my haste, I didn't bring these items as I brought only a much simpler tool kit that I usually use on bikes with external BBs). Fighting proprietary design issues is not how I would characterize it. Unless you have an FSA crank/bb, in which case it gets rather complicated. On Jun 29, 9:27 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Is there an advantage to external bearings that make it worth fighting through proprietary design issues? On Jun 28, 10:36 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting a new road frame and I would like to try an external bearing BB. But I want a triple. The only one I've found is Shimano's Ultegra with a 50-39-30. Anyone know of another option? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Brooks Colt Saddle Revisited
Stopped at my LBS on the way home from work today. Proprietor par excellence advised me he should have three of the new (but based on a long since discontinued design) Brooks saddles on the way. He could not find any dimensions, but from the picture Brooks sent him they look similar to the Ideale 92. Leather is thicker than the B-17. Colors right now are black, violet and mustard. Should look great on a Riv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bullmoose Colors
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[RBW] Re: Grant's excellent comments today
Agreed! What else more do you need to know then it rides well. On Jun 29, 2:13 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Check out today's post on the Riv website for Grant's comments on dependent vs independent variables in bike design. While he sorta apologizes for the tone, I find it quite direct and to the point. Look folks, here's the bits that matter the rest are the result. Makes sense to me. One of the most lovable features of Rivendell is the just the facts tone of so many of their published pieces. People occassionally ask me some dimension on my Atlantis. Other than the frame size, I don't know. I refer them to Riv's website if they want to agonize over seat tube angles. The bike does what it's supposed to do quite nicely. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Remember those learning bikes in the Rivendell Reader? Success Story here
My 3 year old loves his like - a- bike balance bike and rides it everywhere. It is one serious machine it even has Schwalbe Big Apples. One additon that made him like it even more was a Honka Hoota horn. Rig content-- my 3 year old says when he is big he is going to get a blue A Homer Hilsen and pull me on it. Dan Abelson St. Paul MN On Monday, June 28, 2010, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I had three great rides this weekend: 1) Halfmoon Bay (in California) down to the Tunitas Creek climb 2) A loop around San Luis Obispo 3) the absolute best-of-all: a ride with my brother and his 5.8-year-old son on the Santa Clara bike path. It was flat and was probably about 6 miles total. (We rode by the Great America roller coasters.) Here is why it was the best ride: My nephew had learned to ride the day before. He spent Friday morning learning to negotiate a complicated loop near his house, and every once in a while had spontaneous pure-joy outbursts like, It's great to ride without training wheels! This is the best! and I love donuts! After all that training, we raised the bar by going out on the public use trail. He got really good at holding his course and stayed to right and learned to pass people on the left (using his bell) and he had the best time. There is nothing better than riding with a kid on a steep learning curve and having a blast discovering the exploring you can do in a bike. And Rivendell-connection: Many years ago, they reviewed some learning bikes that teach kids balance on wide tire bikes without training wheels and without pedals. The idea is that the kid learns to get the feel for the balancing process on a moving bike so that they experience the gyroscope effect but don't have their balance-feeling process interrupted by the training wheels. My nephew's experience: he had had some training wheel experience with its typical ineffectiveness. He then started to ride one of these learning bikes described above. After using the learning bike for a little while, one day (last Thursday specifically) he picked up a regular bike with pedals when no one was looking and decided to see if he could get the balance on that. He started doing it in the drive way, wobbly figuring it out himself, but certainly getting it up to speed and pedaling it on his own. My brother was in the kitchen cleaning up, looked outside and noticed what his son was doing. He excitedly grabbed the camera nearby, ran outside, and started filming. A day and a half later, my nephew was ready for the trail. One thing I love about all of this was that there was no coaxing or frustrating teaching from adults who want it so bad for their kid. Maybe they were lucky; maybe he's gifted, but I'm pretty sure the learning bike did the job for which it was designed. Thanks for reading. I had to share and since the learning bike was in the RR, I found a loophole to share with this list! -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Velcro-ripping sound coming from fender area
My fenders are close, and if I hit a bump with a semi-significant load (8 lbs?) in my front bag, the fender will vvvip on the tire. Mine might sound different than yours, with aluminum fenders and mini-knobs on the tire, but that sounds like what it is. Rocks sound way different. philip 97128 On Jun 29, 12:33 pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote: So everytime I ride (daily), inevitably at some point in my trip, I will hear a velcro-ripping sound that seems like it coming from under my SKS front fender. I always look to see if i just ran over something, a pile of leaves or whatever, but nada. Nothing seems to spit oout. Not that I would see it. My fenders are mounted close to the tire is it rubbing? Anybody else experience this phenomenon!? Can I make it go away?!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
During our wet and grimy winter, my bikes only achieve a state of less dirty. And by that I mean the Bleriot, because the Lemond doesn't go out on very wet days...inadequate fenderage, no lighting, etc. If I return from the ride and the bike is filthy, I might gently hose it off before putting it in the garage. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/2134762170 I need a non-rainy, not too chilly day to clean them, because I have to do it outside. But my soapy wash water is hot :-) On Jun 29, 7:43 am, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Remember those learning bikes in the Rivendell Reader? Success Story here
I, too, am a big believer in Skuuts. All three kids have used 'em so far, you can flip the frame upside down to fit smaller kids, and they make learning a big kid bike a breeze. I did still have to take off the pedals when I moved the kids up to real bikes (they handle a bit differently), but once they got used to the different center of gravity, steering and whatnot, it was literally five minutes learning to pedal and they were off. Number two of three started riding a bike without training wheels at 3.5 that way (youngest so far!). What was really rewarding recently is helping a friend of my oldest learn to ride a bike in a similar fashion. I yanked the pedals and training wheels from her bike, lowered the seatpost as far as it would go, then my oldest was coaching her through the finer points of scooting along with your feet and learning to balance. It was incredibly rewarding seeing my son pass on something that he had learned. I felt like a star parent that day for sure. As far as brands, I can vouch for the Skuut being pretty durable, surviving a few hand me downs and extended loans to other kids. I figure that the two we have will have gone through at least three kids each by the time number four (due any day now) graduates from one. Anyway, balance bikes are awesome. If you have young kids, get 'em one. If you have friends or relatives with young kids, buy 'em one. --dlloyd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
OK, I got it, RBW = Rivendell Bike Washers Group! -JimD People, grab your brushes! On Jun 29, 2010, at 9:35 AM, CycloFiend wrote: on 6/29/10 7:43 AM, Mojo at gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. The old mtb axiom was dirty bike, clean drivetrain. And clean drivetrain can certainly be a range. :^) In these parts (north of SF), and pretty much up and down California, we start getting mid-summer fine dust on every trail that is pretty pervasive. Any slightly damp bit in the drivetrain attracts it. By this time of year, if the rollers of the chain are silver, I'm pretty happy. That side mung on GP's chainrings is pretty much visually equivilent to mine, and I've only ridden twice since the last scrubbing. I'm trying to be regular about soap brush scrubbing every 2-3 weeks, but that could mean as many as 15-20 rides. Road riding alone won't really do that, but if you ride or incorporate trails, it can look pretty brutal fairly quickly. This was a 2 hour loop on the local trails (which aren't even quite that dry/dusty yet.) http://tinyurl.com/drivegrime And as for the RBW photo you linked to, I _DIG_ that Hunqachromatic choice on the new caps - wished I'd remembered to snap one up when over there... - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
I've been looking more closely at the photo: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I'm not as concerned about the bike as I am about the dirty feet that all three of these folks are displaying. -JimD I don't mind if my bike gets dirty but clean feet are next to godliness (or something like that). On Jun 29, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Mojo wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Velcro-ripping sound coming from fender area
Thanks all. I'll take that little as another neat thing about fenderage. Ok..back to making my new summer mudflaps...seersucker, of course..;) On Jun 29, 8:08 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: My fenders are close, and if I hit a bump with a semi-significant load (8 lbs?) in my front bag, the fender will vvvip on the tire. Mine might sound different than yours, with aluminum fenders and mini-knobs on the tire, but that sounds like what it is. Rocks sound way different. philip 97128 On Jun 29, 12:33 pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote: So everytime I ride (daily), inevitably at some point in my trip, I will hear a velcro-ripping sound that seems like it coming from under my SKS front fender. I always look to see if i just ran over something, a pile of leaves or whatever, but nada. Nothing seems to spit oout. Not that I would see it. My fenders are mounted close to the tire is it rubbing? Anybody else experience this phenomenon!? Can I make it go away?!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
Cleanliness is highly over-rated as a virtue. I don't always wash my riding clothes that regularly either. As to the feet, well, they clean up pretty good in the shower, no worries. dougP On Jun 29, 8:51 pm, JimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: I've been looking more closely at the photo: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I'm not as concerned about the bike as I am about the dirty feet that all three of these folks are displaying. -JimD I don't mind if my bike gets dirty but clean feet are next to godliness (or something like that). On Jun 29, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Mojo wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean them afterward. Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a nice bike in my book. Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant super slick Camera strap!
Camera and strap specs: Camera: Zeiss Ikon. Camera fiends may also be interested to know that I own and shoot Cosina-Voigtlander Bessa L, Bessa R, and Leica M4-P. The lens on the camers is Voigtlander 40/1.4. The straps is homemade from two pieces of 3/4-inch webbing. The one around my neck is non-elastic nylon; the one around my chest is elastic. Both are tied to the camera's O-rings, with no hardware. This rig sits close, doesn't bounce, gives perfect access, and packs away neatly into a small camera case when I gotta do dat. For the record, I am an enthusiastic but lousy photographer. The decent shots you see on the home page are culled from hundreds of flops! But on I forge, resolute! G On Jun 29, 3:02 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Pretty sure that is a store- bought strap. Check out your local outdoor retailer, camera shop, or REI-- one of them should know what you are looking for and may have it in stock. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: brass fenders on orange Hillborne? thumbs up or down?
Thanks all for the thoughts and votes. Tell you what, though... turns out I'm less interested in how things look than I thought. That is, I really do like the look of aluminum, stainless steel, and brass fenders (and the more I thought about it, the more I thought the brass fenders would be a nice thing to see on an orange Hillborne, but maybe even better on a blue Hilsen... but still...) BUT every time I think about a curb or even a deep rut wall catching my fender and basically ruining it or at least requiring some realignment to restore its glory, I think... wow those chromoplastic fenders are wonderful! And, the more I think about it, it seems like it would be *fun* to put on the metal fenders; I'm not particularly handy but have vast stores of patience. And I kind of geek out on doing things like putting fenders on; I actually think I'd enjoy futzing around with them 'til I got them to be the way I wanted. But then I think back to the actual function of the chromoplastic fenders, with the double-stay arrangement that allowed to use the fender as a saddlebag support for days until I had time/inclination to put on a rack. I bet that wouldn't be something I'd want to do with a metal fender (or even a single-stay chromoplastic Berthoud). So for now I've decided to stick with the SKS chromoplastic 50mm fenders. I'm not closing the door on trying other things; after all, VO fenders are really not break-the-bank expensive, should I wish to give them a try. Even the brass ones aren't that expensive, and doing my own drilling sounds intriguing. But for now, it's chromoplastic SKS. With Sackville or Nigel Smythe mudflaps, of course. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild
Actually, in the wilds of my garage. I think it's snoozing in there. I'll try to sneak up on it and get a few pictures over the next few days. I understand they may be a little twitchy. But that shouldn't be a problem with this one yet; it's got no wheels! Even I should be able to sneak up on it. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
