date:20100713

 I'm not quite sure why it's called the Fall Populaire, but hey, maybe it's
 a Randonneur thing...

Perhaps an ironic reference to Bay area summer temps which are often
cooler than in the fall?

On Jul 1, 1:18 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Just starting to turn the calendar over to the new month and realized there
 is an excellent, free event planned mid-month, the San Francisco
 Randonneurs' Populaire on July 17th.

 I'm not quite sure why it's called the Fall Populaire, but hey, maybe it's
 a Randonneur thing...  I'll let their short blurb take it from here:

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 The San Francisco Randonneurs would like to invite you to participate
 in our first ever Fall Populaire, to be held on July 17th, 2010.
 This is a free event, though registration is required.

 The Populaire is intended to introduce riders to the sport of
 randonneuring. Most of our brevets are 200km in length, but the
 Populaire, at 115km, is only slightly more than half that length.

 More information, and a link to the registration form is here:

 http://sfrandonneurs.org/fall-2010-115k-populaire.htm

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

 Kojak are good and (relatively) fat fast tires.  (that is if this is
 road and very moderate off road only - no tread).

 28 Marathon Racers if you don't want - or cannot fit - 35s.

Sorry for the abbreviated post.  Schwalbe makes both these tires.

Both good choices for fast yet cush road riding.

On Jul 12, 7:44 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 Kojak are good and (relatively) fat fast tires.  (that is if this is
 road and very moderate off road only - no tread).

 28 Marathon Racers if you don't want - or cannot fit - 35s.

 On Jul 12, 5:29 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:



  Hey guys!

  Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2.  Very nice
  bike and it is in amazing condition.

  Now on topic with Riv stuff.  I need to get some bar tape for the
  aforementioned bike.  It came stock with white but I don't like white
  especially with cloth tape.  I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
  shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color).  It is
  silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
  maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
  celery or dark pine.  Thoughts?  I know some of you have very great
  taste in colored bar tape.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

  SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
  and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.  You
  guys did a great job steering me towards the Pari-Motos for my Bleriot
  so I figure you may be able to help me with some 700C tires.  It
  appears I can go pretty fat as it comes stock with 28C and seems to
  have extra room.

  Here is the bike.  As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
  also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

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[RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

 Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, 
 I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay 
 as well...

good point.  If it is not a Riv - as appears to be the case - or some
other bike worthy of riding under its own name, why pay JB to paint
it?

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wrote:
 Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, 
 I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay 
 as well...

 Steve



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 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant Petersen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv

 Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've 
 been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs 
 are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 
 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in 
 back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake 
 looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). The 
 seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 42cm 
 listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs.

 It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody 
 owns it, it's their deal, and we don't  hold JB to any style (he knows what I 
 like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's 
 busy, I'll try again.

 The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If 
 it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then fine 
 etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not.

 G
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 925 933 7304

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[RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

2010-07-13 Thread Mike


On Jul 13, 8:48 am, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 I've never done one of these events.  My question is, must one's bike be
 equipped with fenders and lights in order to participate?


Hey Ray, you don't have to have fenders, that's not a RUSA rule or
anything. I'm sure you're well aware of the advantages of fenders for
yourself and those riding around you. As for lights... I don't think a
100k populaire requires lights or sashes and ankle reflectors as with
brevets that run into the night. Check the RUSA website or just fire
off an email to the organizers. It's really only a 65 mile ride which
isn't so long.  Definitely check it out.

I'd love to get down there and ride with SF Randonneurs. Better yet,
I'd prefer to make the shorter trip up North and ride with SIR
although my work schedule, transportation and other issues keep
foiling my plans...

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Doping

2010-07-13 Thread Mike

Don't think of it as a doping line, think of it as first aid supplies.
It should also include scalpels for blood-letting and leeches.

--mike

On Jul 12, 8:26 pm, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lance's poor times and accidents in the Tour make me consider my own
 lousy performance in the Iowa Rando 200k ride this April:  fatigue,
 loss of energy, inability to hold my own against the younger crowd.
 Is it time for a Riv Old School Doping Line:  leather blood bags made
 from real sheepskins; IV needles made by hand from Sheffield steel in
 the last Adam Smith pin manufactory in the Midlands; testosterone
 patches of waxed cotton from famous old Scottish mills supplying the
 Crown?  This could be a big opportunity.

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-13 Thread Patrick in VT

On Jul 12, 6:29 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

 SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
 and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.

panaracer pasela, grand bois cerf, challenge parigi-roubaix or
criterium.  I also hear good things about the conti 4 seasons and GP
4000s, and the michelin pro race 2 and pro race 3.

that's a nice pick-up - have fun!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish Doping

2010-07-13 Thread Bill Connell

Also organic cabbage leaves for under your helmet, and French
newspapers to put under your jersey for cold descents.


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Don't think of it as a doping line, think of it as first aid supplies.
 It should also include scalpels for blood-letting and leeches.

 --mike

 On Jul 12, 8:26 pm, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lance's poor times and accidents in the Tour make me consider my own
 lousy performance in the Iowa Rando 200k ride this April:  fatigue,
 loss of energy, inability to hold my own against the younger crowd.
 Is it time for a Riv Old School Doping Line:  leather blood bags made
 from real sheepskins; IV needles made by hand from Sheffield steel in
 the last Adam Smith pin manufactory in the Midlands; testosterone
 patches of waxed cotton from famous old Scottish mills supplying the
 Crown?  This could be a big opportunity.

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[RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

2010-07-13 Thread Michael_S

same reason people make fake Rolex's... greed.  Maybe they thought
they could pass it off as a real Rivendell?  That woudl be the
ultimate compliment I guess.

~Mike~

On Jul 13, 6:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
  Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv 
  decals/headbadge, I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB 
  signature on the chainstay as well...

 good point.  If it is not a Riv - as appears to be the case - or some
 other bike worthy of riding under its own name, why pay JB to paint
 it?

 On Jul 13, 6:30 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
 wrote:



  Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv 
  decals/headbadge, I doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB 
  signature on the chainstay as well...

  Steve

  -Original Message-
  From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
  [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant Petersen
  Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv

  Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've 
  been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs 
  are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 
  frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in 
  back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake 
  looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). 
  The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 
  42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs.

  It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody 
  owns it, it's their deal, and we don't  hold JB to any style (he knows what 
  I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's 
  busy, I'll try again.

  The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. 
  If it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then 
  fine etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not.

  G
  --
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  Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com
  925 933 7304

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-13 Thread Earl Grey

I'd try either the Japanese celery or Newbaum's maroon, with clear
shellac.

I haven't tried them and have no need for 28mm tires, but if I did,
I'd try the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix in a heartbeat.

Have fun, and post photos once you're done!

Gernot


On Jul 13, 8:57 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Jul 12, 6:29 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

  SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike.  Something light
  and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup.

 panaracer pasela, grand bois cerf, challenge parigi-roubaix or
 criterium.  I also hear good things about the conti 4 seasons and GP
 4000s, and the michelin pro race 2 and pro race 3.

 that's a nice pick-up - have fun!!

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[RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-13 Thread Andy.M

I'm a firm believer in the Hammer Nutrition productstheir
Perpetuem is good stuff.
http://www.hammernutrition.com/products/perpetuem.pp.html?navcat=fuels-energy-drinks
-Andy

On Jul 12, 10:13 pm, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
 LOL, thanks guys

 On Jul 12, 10:04 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote:



  And, be calm!

  On Jul 12, 10:02 pm, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote:

   look out for poison ivy before you pee in the woods

   Ken

   On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:59 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!

Ryan

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 Ok, I signed up for a 70 miler this next weekend.  Longest ride this
 year for me.  I am looking for food, hydration or whatever advise so I
 don't bonk.    Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-13 Thread Bill Connell

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 Hey guys!

 Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2.  Very nice
 bike and it is in amazing condition.

 Now on topic with Riv stuff.  I need to get some bar tape for the
 aforementioned bike.  It came stock with white but I don't like white
 especially with cloth tape.  I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
 shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color).  It is
 silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
 maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
 celery or dark pine.  Thoughts?  I know some of you have very great
 taste in colored bar tape.

If you don't mind dark tape, i'd suggest black tape in a diamond weave
with medium blue. For tires, i like the Paselas - the 28mm size rides
well and (at least for me) are pretty flat resistant.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

+1 on Perpetuum. I just discovered the Hammer stuff. Has worked well  
for me on a few long rides so far...and hope it will work well on the  
STP this weekend. I pack a peanut butter, cheese and honey sandwich,  
and drink the Perpetuum from one bottle and plain water or HEED in the  
other. I have found their espresso gel to be a handy pick-me-up also.


I'll be riding my Saluki. :)

Rob in Seattle


On Jul 13, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Andy.M wrote:


I'm a firm believer in the Hammer Nutrition productstheir
Perpetuem is good stuff.
http://www.hammernutrition.com/products/perpetuem.pp.html?navcat=fuels-energy-drinks
-Andy


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[RBW] 54 cm quickbeam

2010-07-13 Thread Steve Kesling

Hey I read your post saying you were interested in Quickbeam.  I have 54 cm 
green with mustash bars, b17 and a rear nitto rack with wald basket. I also 
have a 54 cm trek madone with less that 1000 miles on it.  If I could sell that 
I would be able to get a rodeo without any problems.  Are you interested at all 
in a great condition almost new 1983 Bridgestone?  It's a smaller I think 50 cm 
frame bike.  I would love to have a new Rodeo and was trying to figure out how 
to go about having one without loosing a wife over it!  Just kidding there are 
a few Rivs in the garage.  Steve Kesling

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Doping

2010-07-13 Thread MichaelH

I don't think it was the crash that did in LA.  He was a victim of his
own ego.  We all do this to ourselves and I'm not aware of any 100%
full proof solution but I have learned that when I'm in touch with my
soul I have a better chance of warding off ego driven foolishness.

michael
rode my Rambouillet over the Horn of the Moon yesterday.

On Jul 13, 1:28 am, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I'm thinking that the three crashes in one day had something to do
 with the poor time.  I'm guessing (hoping) you didn't crash in the
 Iowa Rando 200k.

 Riv content...I rode my Rambouillet tonight.

 Rob

 On Jul 12, 5:26 pm, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote:



  Lance's poor times and accidents in the Tour make me consider my own
  lousy performance in the Iowa Rando 200k ride this April:  fatigue,
  loss of energy, inability to hold my own against the younger crowd.
  Is it time for a Riv Old School Doping Line:  leather blood bags made
  from real sheepskins; IV needles made by hand from Sheffield steel in
  the last Adam Smith pin manufactory in the Midlands; testosterone
  patches of waxed cotton from famous old Scottish mills supplying the
  Crown?  This could be a big opportunity.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-13 Thread Horace

Also, don't try anything new the day of the event -- don't eat or
drink anything you haven't already had on a training ride.

Horace.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:59 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
 you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!

 Ryan

 On Jul 12, 9:38 pm, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, I signed up for a 70 miler this next weekend.  Longest ride this
 year for me.  I am looking for food, hydration or whatever advise so I
 don't bonk.    Thanks!

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RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv

2010-07-13 Thread Joe Bartoe

I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd go 
whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal making be 
kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, I would expect 
that there are more. The only way that all that effort would make any sense 
would be if you wanted to make more.

Joe
Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400
From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

Re. 
the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I 
doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as 
well...

Steve

  -Original Message-
From: 
  rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
  [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant 
  Petersen
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM
To: 
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Subject: [RBW] dat funky 
  Riv

Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always 
  been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm 
  thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns 
  for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are 
  raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The 
  fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to 
  post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go 
  by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the 
  lugs.

It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once 
  somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't  hold JB to any style (he 
  knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him 
  now, line's busy, I'll try again.

The serial number would tell the 
  story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that pump 
  instead of seat tube paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm still 
  guessing it's not.

G
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[RBW] Re: 54 cm quickbeam

2010-07-13 Thread steve m

hey Steve-
I sent you an email.
looking forward to hearing from you.
Steve m

On Jul 13, 10:55 am, Steve Kesling akesl...@pacific.net wrote:
 Hey I read your post saying you were interested in Quickbeam.  I have 54 cm 
 green with mustash bars, b17 and a rear nitto rack with wald basket. I also 
 have a 54 cm trek madone with less that 1000 miles on it.  If I could sell 
 that I would be able to get a rodeo without any problems.  Are you interested 
 at all in a great condition almost new 1983 Bridgestone?  It's a smaller I 
 think 50 cm frame bike.  I would love to have a new Rodeo and was trying to 
 figure out how to go about having one without loosing a wife over it!  Just 
 kidding there are a few Rivs in the garage.  Steve Kesling

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[RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

 The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you wanted 
 to make more.

Without seeing the paint in person, or at least in much better detail,
it is hard to tell the quality.  A reasonably competent photographer
could make a rattle can job look pretty good.

In my opinion, the color choices on the bike were not that good.
Guess JB would ultmately do whatever the customer wants, but I imagine
he would have warned someone the colors do not go together all that
well.

On Jul 13, 10:04 am, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd go 
 whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal making be 
 kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, I would 
 expect that there are more. The only way that all that effort would make any 
 sense would be if you wanted to make more.

 Joe
 Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv
 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400
 From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 Re.
 the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I
 doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as
 well...

 Steve



   -Original Message-
 From:

   rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
   [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant
   Petersen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM
 To:
   rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] dat funky
   Riv

 Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always
   been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm
   thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James 
 crowns
   for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are
   raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The
   fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to
   post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go
   by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the
   lugs.

 It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once
   somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't  hold JB to any style (he
   knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him
   now, line's busy, I'll try again.

 The serial number would tell the
   story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that pump
   instead of seat tube paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm still
   guessing it's not.

 G
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish Doping HEY!

on 7/13/10 5:59 AM, Jon Grant at jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:

Do we have no SPOILER ALERT rule on this list?

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But, if for _some_ reason, results from a sporting event are in your
RIVENDELL OWNER'S BUNCH post (I'll pause for a second here)... (because,
well, you know...) whether it is Le Tour, the World Cup Final or the
All-Star Game, it is a very common practice to put Spoiler in the Subject
line and leave some vertical space in your post, so those folks who have
taped, dvr'd or tivo-d the event still get the enjoyment which you derived.

In simple terms, don't blow it for everyone else, ok?

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Re: [RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

on 7/12/10 10:28 PM, RonLau at ron...@ronlau.com wrote:

 Reminder to all Bay Area folks, this coming Sat. is the ride, hope to
 see you folks out there.

This is a wonderful event with a great group of riders - more info here:

http://sfrandonneurs.org/fall-2010-115k-populaire.htm

No charge for the event, but you do need to register.  As far as
fenders/lights - like Mike said, not a requirement. The SF Bay area _is_ the
queen of the microclimates, though most of this route is pretty temperate.

unfortunately, it looks like my morning is booked - hopefully I can get free
in time to see some of you folks on the return leg.

Ride safe, have fun!

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Re: [RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

2010-07-13 Thread Ray Shine

Please forgive my general ignorance about randoneuring (heck, I'm not even 
certain how to pronoun it!) but what is the objective?  Is it to finish each 
leg 
or segment in a given time frame?  To find your own way without pavement 
arrows?  


I have ridden this same route on my own a kazillion times and can't see why 
they 
allow 7.5 hours to finish it.  What am I not getting?

thank you for all Rando 101 info.

Ray 





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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

on 7/12/10 10:28 PM, RonLau at ron...@ronlau.com wrote:

 Reminder to all Bay Area folks, this coming Sat. is the ride, hope to
 see you folks out there.

This is a wonderful event with a great group of riders - more info here:

http://sfrandonneurs.org/fall-2010-115k-populaire.htm

No charge for the event, but you do need to register.  As far as
fenders/lights - like Mike said, not a requirement. The SF Bay area _is_ the
queen of the microclimates, though most of this route is pretty temperate.

unfortunately, it looks like my morning is booked - hopefully I can get free
in time to see some of you folks on the return leg.

Ride safe, have fun!

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

2010-07-13 Thread Lee

Hi Ray. The populaire is a social ride meant to introduce people to
randonneuring. You just have to complete the route, making the
checkpoints within the given times. Folks new to the concept learn
about brevet cards and controls, route finding, and in some cases,
learning how to deal with mechanicals on the fly. Overall, this ride
is not meant to be a huge challenge to experienced distance cyclists.
It's kind of a recruitment event to find folks who may be interested
in joining the longer brevets.

Best,
Lee



On Jul 13, 8:57 am, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Please forgive my general ignorance about randoneuring (heck, I'm not even
 certain how to pronoun it!) but what is the objective?  Is it to finish each 
 leg
 or segment in a given time frame?  To find your own way without pavement
 arrows?  

 I have ridden this same route on my own a kazillion times and can't see why 
 they
 allow 7.5 hours to finish it.  What am I not getting?

 thank you for all Rando 101 info.

 Ray

 
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 Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 8:43:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

 on 7/12/10 10:28 PM, RonLau at ron...@ronlau.com wrote:

  Reminder to all Bay Area folks, this coming Sat. is the ride, hope to
  see you folks out there.

 This is a wonderful event with a great group of riders - more info here:

 http://sfrandonneurs.org/fall-2010-115k-populaire.htm

 No charge for the event, but you do need to register.  As far as
 fenders/lights - like Mike said, not a requirement. The SF Bay area _is_ the
 queen of the microclimates, though most of this route is pretty temperate.

 unfortunately, it looks like my morning is booked - hopefully I can get free
 in time to see some of you folks on the return leg.

 Ride safe, have fun!

 - Jim

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Doping

2010-07-13 Thread Steve

The cabbage and Froggie Papers come from Velo Orange, not Rivendell.
Steve

On Jul 13, 9:03 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also organic cabbage leaves for under your helmet, and French
 newspapers to put under your jersey for cold descents.



 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
  Don't think of it as a doping line, think of it as first aid supplies.
  It should also include scalpels for blood-letting and leeches.

  --mike

  On Jul 12, 8:26 pm, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote:
  Lance's poor times and accidents in the Tour make me consider my own
  lousy performance in the Iowa Rando 200k ride this April:  fatigue,
  loss of energy, inability to hold my own against the younger crowd.
  Is it time for a Riv Old School Doping Line:  leather blood bags made
  from real sheepskins; IV needles made by hand from Sheffield steel in
  the last Adam Smith pin manufactory in the Midlands; testosterone
  patches of waxed cotton from famous old Scottish mills supplying the
  Crown?  This could be a big opportunity.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

2010-07-13 Thread nathan spindel

I'll be there on my lilac  white RB-1! See you guys there.

-nathan

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:28 PM, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote:
 Reminder to all Bay Area folks, this coming Sat. is the ride, hope to
 see you folks out there.



 On Jul 1, 3:42 pm, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote:
 Jim,

 I am planning on being there.  Last email with Rob Hawks he said we do
 need to register but the event is free.

 Hope to see you and others there.

 Ron

 On Jun 30, 11:18 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:

  Just starting to turn the calendar over to the new month and realized there
  is an excellent, free event planned mid-month, the San Francisco
  Randonneurs' Populaire on July 17th.

  I'm not quite sure why it's called the Fall Populaire, but hey, maybe 
  it's
  a Randonneur thing...  I'll let their short blurb take it from here:

  --

  The San Francisco Randonneurs would like to invite you to participate
  in our first ever Fall Populaire, to be held on July 17th, 2010.
  This is a free event, though registration is required.

  The Populaire is intended to introduce riders to the sport of
  randonneuring. Most of our brevets are 200km in length, but the
  Populaire, at 115km, is only slightly more than half that length.

  More information, and a link to the registration form is here:

 http://sfrandonneurs.org/fall-2010-115k-populaire.htm

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

2010-07-13 Thread Andreas Taenzer

Everything is *sold*.

Sorry that I have not replied to everybody individually - I received too
many mails as that I could cope with the volume.


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.comwrote:

 Listees,
 FS are the following items:
 1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
 about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
 small paint chips
 larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
 Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
 likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
 Pics available upon request.
 Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
 2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
 (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
 3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
 4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
 both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
 5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
 6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
 too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

 Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
 Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
 Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

 Contact me off list.
 Local inspection welcome (NH).
 Shipping not included.
 Paypal only.

 Thanks.
 Tailwinds,
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Re: [RBW] Front loading ...???

2010-07-13 Thread bertin753

It comes up for me.

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[RBW] Re: Finally did it

Eric

Thanks for the disc review.  And as for the 200k good for you for
remembering that all important bike rule #1.Bike riding is
supposed to be FUN!   Hope you get to enjoy a long ride on the Sam
soon.

Ryan

On Jul 12, 5:25 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Ryan,

 The RUSA groups around here adhere to the minimum requirements of
 climbing.  So that usually leaves me out.  Can do the climbing.  Just
 doing the entire ride in the time limit would be the issue.

 As to the disc brakes.  An entirely different feel.  Both work well.
 But the advantage of the discs is no problem if the wheel is out of
 true.  The cantilevers on my Hillborne are set somewhat close for a
 firmer feel.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Jul 12, 12:51 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Eric

  Chapeau!!  I haven't done a century in about 3 years so hats off to
  you.  I did my own Populaire/Metric century on Saturday (100k).  A
  poor mans version of your real Century ride.

  I did a Populaire last year but finished well out of the 7 hour time
  limit much too my disappointment.  This year I was able to do it in
  5.5 hours total -must be the steel bike ;-), or maybe it was my buddy
  trading pulls with me.  If you can do the 100 miler then I say go for
  it and do the 200k.  I have to imagine there is a group of crazy
  Randonneurs in your neck of woods putting on 200k rides  
  http://www.rusa.org/

  Just Curious, How do you like the disc brake setup on the fargo and
  how does it compare to the brakes on your SamH?

  Look forward to your SamH long ride report.

  Ryan
  W. Seattle

  On Jul 11, 3:48 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:

   looks like a really nice day to ride, not to hot, a little breeze,
   what more could you want.  Thanks for the pics

   On Jul 11, 2:32 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

Rode a century yesterday.  Unfortunately, for the purposes of this
list, it was not on my Sam Hillborne.  A couple of issues (mostly
resolved this morning) kept it from being the choice.

Didn't die, get overly sick or fall asleep under a tree.  Although the
last might have been fun.  Only downsides were getting stung on the
leg when something got caught in my MUSA shorts, and a flat.  The
latter happened just as I was rolling home.  Rode down the hill to our
place on the rim.

Photos here -http://tinyurl.com/333zafe

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RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv

2010-07-13 Thread Frederick, Steve

It does seem like a lot of trouble.  Maybe it was a test case and if it worked 
they were going to do a bunch of them?

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Joe Bartoe
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:04 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv

I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd go 
whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal making be 
kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, I would expect 
that there are more. The only way that all that effort would make any sense 
would be if you wanted to make more.

Joe

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Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400
From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

Re. the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I 
doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay as 
well...

Steve

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant Petersen
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] dat funky Riv

Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always been curious). I've been 
know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but I'm thinking what lugs are 
those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James crowns for about 20 frames for 
a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts are raised in back but not in 
front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The fork rake looks a bit better 
than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to post-'97). The seller may not know 
how to measure a chainstay, so I can't go by the 42cm listing (I think the 
shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the lugs.

It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once somebody owns 
it, it's their deal, and we don't  hold JB to any style (he knows what I like, 
but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him now, line's busy, I'll 
try again.

The serial number would tell the story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If 
it's a Riv underneath that pump instead of seat tube paint job, then fine 
etc., but at this point I'm still guessing it's not.

G
-- 
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Rivendell Bicycle Works
www.rivbike.com
925 933 7304

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Sets of NOS Nitto Bullmoose Bars

2010-07-13 Thread Ginz

Hello All,

I just received a set of these from Mark and they are quite nice.
These seem to be the original 17deg sweep version which is nice, not
the straight-ish 5 or 6 deg version.

Thanks, Mark. This was a good deal.

Eric

On Jun 25, 2:13 am, Mark mblit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I'm a long-time lurker, and a first-time poster. I'm in the Dallas
 area.

 I happened upon three sets ofbullmoosebars at a flea market this
 weekend. All are from the 80s - they're made by Nitto, but they're tig-
 welded and chromed. However, they look like they're NOS. Tiny bit of
 shopwear, but one set even still has a pricetag on it!

 I'm keeping for myself, and looking to sell the other two. One is
 uncut, the other (with the pricetags, oddly enough) has been cut down
 by 1 on each side.

 eBay seems to think that these are worth $100+, which seems a bit
 steep to me. How's $75 + shipping sound? I've got a discount with
 fedex, so shipping should be pretty cheap.

 I'm in Dallas, and local pickup is welcome.

 Thanks!
 Mark

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

Dang if I only had the extra $398!  someone got a heck of a deal

On Jul 13, 9:30 am, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 Everything is *sold*.

 Sorry that I have not replied to everybody individually - I received too
 many mails as that I could cope with the volume.

 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Andreas Taenzer 
 andreast.w...@gmail.comwrote:

  Listees,
  FS are the following items:
  1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
  about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
  small paint chips
  larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
  Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
  likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
  Pics available upon request.
  Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
  2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
  (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
  3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
  4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
  both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
  5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
  6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
  too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

  Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
  Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
  Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

  Contact me off list.
  Local inspection welcome (NH).
  Shipping not included.
  Paypal only.

  Thanks.
  Tailwinds,
  Andreas

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[RBW] Re: Front loading ...???

A few months back I saw a clutch of unpainted forks on the community
desk at Riv HQ.  I even photographed them.  The photo is in my
flickr.  They were ziptied together along with a cardboard tube that
read for Grant.  The forks had long horizontal dropouts with scale
lines marked on the dropouts.  I did not talk to anybody about them.
I should have mentioned them to Grant last time we spoke, but we got
caught up in poetry of all things.  Anyhow, the impression/opinion/
wild-ass-guess I got then and still hold now is that Grant intended/
intends to actually test a range of rake/trail combinations.  I think
it would be really interesting to peruse the results of that
evaluation, if that's really what is happening.  The other guess was
that they were prototypes for the 'Carbonomas' project.  Maybe that's
just as plausible.

The 'mystery forks':

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4457914378/



On Jul 12, 5:31 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think this suggests that the Sam Hill does not have the geometrical
 features that Jan and many others would think are better for accommodating a
 front load, at least an over-wheel front load.

 The trail of a 60 cm SH is 59 mm and the flop (rise/fall) is 17.4 mm.  Bikes
 that have been noted (by Jan and others) as having better handling with
 front loads have rather lower trail and flop numbers.  Rather than navigate
 the intricacies farther, I'll leave it at that.

 OTOH, some claim to have found that actual geometry matters a lot less than
 does the stability of the front bag.

 After my experiments with my Woodrup, I wonder it it isn't enough to make
 sure the front load isn't swinging, and that the center of gravity of the
 added load is behind the front axle.



 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:00 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Very interesting post. I was particularly struck by this:

   Suffice to say that the effect of the front load on the steering can be
  harnessed to make a bicycle handle better with a front load than without,
  but only if the bike’s geometry is suitable for a front load. *Such a
  touring bike, fully loaded, handles as well as a good racing bike, whether
  cornering hard, riding no- hands (not recommended, of course), or climbing
  out of the saddle*. (Emphasis added.)

  But on the Sam Hill -- he said expertly, having ridden with a light front
  load fully 6 miles -- just the opposite obtains: turns are harder to
  initiate, the bike wants to track wide, and it feels a bit squirrely in the
  corner; all this compared to a load (much heavier, too) on a very stiff and
  low slung Tubus Logo. So I conclude (to be confirmed, I will guess, by more
  front load riding) that the SH is best with rear loads and only light ones
  in front. We'll see.

  I know that touristo extraordinaire Craig Montgomery said onlist that a
  well designed and well loaded touring bike will handle impeccably (I am
  paraphrasing, not quoting); and perhaps the Sam Hill is just not the optimum
  tourer. But it will certainly do well enough.

  I am consoled that, on my two remaining Riv customs (fixies both), the
  butt-back, long rear-center, shortish front-center handling with skinny,
  short wheels, is wonderful.

  On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM, muckum toddjeffr...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

  You may want to read this article on loads. It may help your
  configuration.

 http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/display_resource.cfm?file=2...

  On Jul 10, 3:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
   Inaugural ride -- yes, brief; 11-12 m rt to grocery store and PO and
  back --
   with, upon return, a total of 10 lb, including panniers themselves,
  slung
   low on the Tara. So: what is my initial impression after, granted, no
  more
   than six miles?

   1. 10 lb does not seem to materially help front end stability; the bike
   still has the slight wandering feeling so absent from my other Rivs.
  This
   on the straight and levels. I did not have a chance to test it up a 12%
   grade in a sub 30 gear.

   2. Turning is more cumbersome: one virtue of the Sam Hill is that, when
  you
   lean, it turns. With the 10 lb, steering is definitely slower and
  requires
   more conscious input.

   So, I assume that some bikes are just not as front load friendly as
  others?
   I must add 10 to 20 more lbs in front to try out a real load. And, of
   course, put on more front loaded miles before I conclude with finality.
  But
   I suspect that this bike, as my Motobecane, really prefers rear loads.
  No?

  http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#54924133109236.
  ..

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   Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

No reason not to be, Justin.  That was a great deal.  Ride it well.

On Jul 13, 10:39 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
 My heart is filled with joy.

 Pretty excited.

 -Justin

 On Jul 13, 12:30 pm, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:

  Everything is *sold*.

  Sorry that I have not replied to everybody individually - I received too
  many mails as that I could cope with the volume.

  On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Andreas Taenzer 
  andreast.w...@gmail.comwrote:

   Listees,
   FS are the following items:
   1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
   about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
   small paint chips
   larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
   Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
   likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
   Pics available upon request.
   Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
   2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
   (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
   3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
   4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
   both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
   5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
   6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
   too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

   Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
   Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
   Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

   Contact me off list.
   Local inspection welcome (NH).
   Shipping not included.
   Paypal only.

   Thanks.
   Tailwinds,
   Andreas



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[RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

+1 on Horace's advice and that includes doing anything to your bike or
gear.  I once replaced the insoles on my bike shoes before a Seattle
to Portland ride- I had such a hot foot midway through day one that I
ditched the insoles entirely and rode the second half of the ride with
none.  DOH

On Jul 13, 8:08 am, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
 Also, don't try anything new the day of the event -- don't eat or
 drink anything you haven't already had on a training ride.

 Horace.

 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:59 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
  you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!

  Ryan

  On Jul 12, 9:38 pm, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ok, I signed up for a 70 miler this next weekend.  Longest ride this
  year for me.  I am looking for food, hydration or whatever advise so I
  don't bonk.    Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] dat funky Riv

Maybe I am, no wait, I _am_ naive and gullible, but it feels to me  
like the guy who's selling the bike has no idea it may not be a  
Rivendell. Probably because the person who sold it to him told him it  
was a Rivendell. Or maybe the owner before that. Looking at it, I sure  
don't know enough about lug styles or allowable paint jobs to  
determine it was a fake. You'd have to be way into the history and  
lore to have that knowledge, and my guess is that that level of  
knowledge and enthusiasm only comes _after_ you own a Rivendell or four.


Rob in Seattle


On Jul 13, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Frederick, Steve wrote:

It does seem like a lot of trouble.  Maybe it was a test case and if  
it worked they were going to do a bunch of them?


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Re: [RBW] Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-13 Thread nathan spindel

Nice find! I have a 1990 RB-1 and was bummed out to find I couldn't
fit the 30mm Cyprès so I resorted to Roll-y Pol-y's and have been
enjoying them (with no flats so far). Some photos of that bike are at
http://bit.ly/d2UAZ1.

Like Gernot I'm also curious to try the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix's…

-nathan

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
Hey guys!

Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2. Very nice
bike and it is in amazing condition.

Now on topic with Riv stuff. I need to get some bar tape for the
aforementioned bike. It came stock with white but I don't like white
especially with cloth tape. I plan to do cloth tape, twine and
shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color). It is
silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and
maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like
celery or dark pine. Thoughts? I know some of you have very great
taste in colored bar tape.

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

SecondlyI want to get some tires for the bike. Something light
and pretty fast as this is going to be my faster road bike setup. You
guys did a great job steering me towards the Pari-Motos for my Bleriot
so I figure you may be able to help me with some 700C tires. It
appears I can go pretty fat as it comes stock with 28C and seems to
have extra room.

Here is the bike. As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgestone%20RB-2/0711001938.jpg

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[RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

2010-07-13 Thread Esteban

It'll be fun.  I'll be there on the Protovelo, so long as my old Volvo
makes it up the 5.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Jul 13, 9:49 am, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'll be there on my lilac  white RB-1! See you guys there.

 -nathan



 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:28 PM, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote:
  Reminder to all Bay Area folks, this coming Sat. is the ride, hope to
  see you folks out there.

  On Jul 1, 3:42 pm, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote:
  Jim,

  I am planning on being there.  Last email with Rob Hawks he said we do
  need to register but the event is free.

  Hope to see you and others there.

  Ron

  On Jun 30, 11:18 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:

   Just starting to turn the calendar over to the new month and realized 
   there
   is an excellent, free event planned mid-month, the San Francisco
   Randonneurs' Populaire on July 17th.

   I'm not quite sure why it's called the Fall Populaire, but hey, maybe 
   it's
   a Randonneur thing...  I'll let their short blurb take it from here:

   --

   The San Francisco Randonneurs would like to invite you to participate
   in our first ever Fall Populaire, to be held on July 17th, 2010.
   This is a free event, though registration is required.

   The Populaire is intended to introduce riders to the sport of
   randonneuring. Most of our brevets are 200km in length, but the
   Populaire, at 115km, is only slightly more than half that length.

   More information, and a link to the registration form is here:

  http://sfrandonneurs.org/fall-2010-115k-populaire.htm

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Re: [RBW] Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-13 Thread nathan spindel

Also, the dark piney green tape is beautiful. Check it out on Harry's
bike here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/haircow/4452169287/, IIRC he
had one coat of amber shellac on it. I think it'd look great on your
silver RB-2.

-nathan

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
Hey guys!

Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2. Very nice
bike and it is in amazing condition.

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

Here is the bike. As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgestone%20RB-2/0711001938.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-13 Thread grant

The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A
pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre...
I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95.

I am impressed that so many of you knew so many details  history!

(not that I'm worth impressing, just stating a fact)

G

On Jul 11, 5:20 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but
 JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

 Doug

 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Almost forgot

 http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw

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  *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay

  Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on
  this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle
  bosses seam oddly placed.
  Any thoughts?
  Trevor

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-13 Thread Bill Connell

I nominate this the best thread of the year. All this detective work
has been fun!

Taylor - post some pictures when you get it, i missed the original
auction, would be interesting to see.

Bill


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A
 pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre...
 I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95.

 I am impressed that so many of you knew so many details  history!

 (not that I'm worth impressing, just stating a fact)

 G

 On Jul 11, 5:20 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but
 JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?

 Doug

 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Almost forgot

 http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw

  - Forwarded Message 
  *From:* trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com
  *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
  *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay

  Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on
  this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle
  bosses seam oddly placed.
  Any thoughts?
  Trevor

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-13 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 13:06 -0700, grant wrote:
 The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A
 pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre...
 I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95.

That would make it even rarer and more valuable, right?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-13 Thread Doug Van Cleve

Grant, thanks for closing the loop on that :^)

I knew about the early Waterford bikes that went out with HJ crowns due to
the redesign of the original RBW crown, my friend Phil had an early one for
a while that actually had 2 forks, one with the RBW crown and one with the
HJ).  I didn't know there were geometry prototypes out there, but I guess
it makes sense, unless they were destroyed or something...

Doug


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:06 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A
 pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre...
 I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95.

 I am impressed that so many of you knew so many details  history!

 (not that I'm worth impressing, just stating a fact)

 G

 On Jul 11, 5:20 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
  I agree, very odd.  Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals,
 but
  JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he?
 
  Doug
 
  On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
   Almost forgot
 
  http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw
 
   - Forwarded Message 
   *From:* trevor segraves hoont...@yahoo.com
   *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
   *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM
   *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay
 
   Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but
 nothing on
   this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water
 bottle
   bosses seam oddly placed.
   Any thoughts?
   Trevor


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[RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

2010-07-13 Thread Justin August

Just so everyone sees it: http://pnkn.ws/cVUzTP

Looks like an Alpha version of a Riv. They found the receipt. Would
have sold for even more if folks had known that!

-Justin

On Jul 13, 2:43 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe I am, no wait, I _am_ naive and gullible, but it feels to me  
 like the guy who's selling the bike has no idea it may not be a  
 Rivendell. Probably because the person who sold it to him told him it  
 was a Rivendell. Or maybe the owner before that. Looking at it, I sure  
 don't know enough about lug styles or allowable paint jobs to  
 determine it was a fake. You'd have to be way into the history and  
 lore to have that knowledge, and my guess is that that level of  
 knowledge and enthusiasm only comes _after_ you own a Rivendell or four.

 Rob in Seattle

 On Jul 13, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Frederick, Steve wrote:



  It does seem like a lot of trouble.  Maybe it was a test case and if  
  it worked they were going to do a bunch of them?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

2010-07-13 Thread S.Cutshall

Awesomeness!

Excited for you, Justin.

Take many pics for viewing!

-Scott

On Jul 13, 10:39 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
 My heart is filled with joy.

 Pretty excited.

 -Justin

 On Jul 13, 12:30 pm, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:

  Everything is *sold*.

  Sorry that I have not replied to everybody individually - I received too
  many mails as that I could cope with the volume.

  On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Andreas Taenzer 
  andreast.w...@gmail.comwrote:

   Listees,
   FS are the following items:
   1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
   about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
   small paint chips
   larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
   Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
   likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
   Pics available upon request.
   Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
   2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
   (Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
   3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
   4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
   both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
   5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
   6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
   too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

   Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
   Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
   Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

   Contact me off list.
   Local inspection welcome (NH).
   Shipping not included.
   Paypal only.

   Thanks.
   Tailwinds,
   Andreas

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[RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

2010-07-13 Thread Taylor

The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner.

It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received
from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP
and co.

Should be labeled Protovelo and I'm currently working out the
details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such.

Expect an updated post with the completed build with two month's time,
or so.

On Jul 13, 10:23 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
  The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you 
  wanted to make more.

 Without seeing the paint in person, or at least in much better detail,
 it is hard to tell the quality.  A reasonably competent photographer
 could make a rattle can job look pretty good.

 In my opinion, the color choices on the bike were not that good.
 Guess JB would ultmately do whatever the customer wants, but I imagine
 he would have warned someone the colors do not go together all that
 well.

 On Jul 13, 10:04 am, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then they'd 
  go whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the decal 
  making be kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake Rivendell, 
  I would expect that there are more. The only way that all that effort would 
  make any sense would be if you wanted to make more.

  Joe
  Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv
  Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400
  From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

  Re.
  the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I
  doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the chainstay 
  as
  well...

  Steve

    -Original Message-
  From:

    rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
    [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant
    Petersen
  Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM
  To:
    rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [RBW] dat funky
    Riv

  Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always
    been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), but 
  I'm
    thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James 
  crowns
    for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The dropouts 
  are
    raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. The
    fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to
    post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I can't 
  go
    by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, the
    lugs.

  It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once
    somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't  hold JB to any style (he
    knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called him
    now, line's busy, I'll try again.

  The serial number would tell the
    story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that 
  pump
    instead of seat tube paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm 
  still
    guessing it's not.

  G
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[RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

 That would make it even rarer and more valuable, right?

Maybe if it were a stamp.

Rarity in bikes may impart value combined with other qualities.  A
tiny, odd colored experiment ... not so sure about that.

On Jul 13, 3:22 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 13:06 -0700, grant wrote:
  The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A
  pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre...
  I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95.

 That would make it even rarer and more valuable, right?

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Re: [RBW] dat funky Riv

on 7/13/10 11:43 AM, Rob Harrison at robha...@gmail.com wrote:

Maybe I am, no wait, I _am_ naive and gullible, but it feels to me like the
guy who's selling the bike has no idea it may not be a Rivendell. Probably
because the person who sold it to him told him it was a Rivendell. Or maybe
the owner before that. Looking at it, I sure don't know enough about lug
styles or allowable paint jobs to determine it was a fake. You'd have to be
way into the history and lore to have that knowledge, and my guess is that
that level of knowledge and enthusiasm only comes _after_ you own a
Rivendell or four. 

I do think it's important not to ascribe or imply malicious intent.  Few of
us are likely to know the seller's backstory, etc.

The only thing that was ringing in my brain was something Grant wrote a
while back in a Reader (and I think it was echoed a few times in various
Catalogs, etc., but I'm at work and don't have time to dig through them
right now) where he said something along the lines that he wanted to build
bikes that could be missing paint, decals and show years of use, but someone
would be able to recognize them as a Rivendell.

It definitely seemed like it was, at best, an outlier in that spectrum.
It's been interesting to hear more of the facts now.

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

on 7/13/10 8:57 AM, Ray Shine at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Please forgive my general ignorance about randoneuring (heck, I'm not even
 certain how to pronoun it!) but what is the objective?  Is it to finish each
 leg or segment in a given time frame?  To find your own way without pavement
 arrows?  

Ran-dun-UR-ring seems to be the most common. But, hey, I never took
French...

A good place to start is at the rusa.org site, though it has a bit of a
formality to it that seems a trifle at odds with the quality of the
camaraderie.

http://www.rusa.org

Basically, it's a ride (not race) over a course of fixed distance, stressing
self-sufficiency in the rider and machine.  The times are designed so that a
reasonably fit rider can complete it.  Typically, the distances are 200k,
300K, 400K, 600K and 1200K, building over the season to allow riders to
develop endurance and confidence over longer distances.  To qualify for
Paris-Brest-Paris, you have to do a series.

The clock is a rolling time, which means it's always going, so breaks for
food, mechanicals, etc. are on the clock.  There is a time limit at each
control which is designed to get you to the finish at the maximum allowed
time.  Riders definitely go faster than the time limits, but there is a
range along the spectrum, and most people end up in groups of similar
ability.  For example, the SFR 200K has a 13.5 hour limit, I finished the
last one at about 10:40, and the fastest riders were done at about 8 hours.

No pavement arrows.  Route sheets are provided or made available.

 I have ridden this same route on my own a kazillion times and can't see why
 they allow 7.5 hours to finish it.  What am I not getting?

Coffee breaks? Pizza at Bovine Bakery?
As I mentioned, that time is the cutoff.   The times at each control are
cutoff times, too, so if you don't make one of the those, you won't get
credit for the ride.

The Populaire is a way to test the waters on a ride of reasonable distance,
and is a good way to get the idea of the controls, cards, route sheets, etc.

- J


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Re: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

2010-07-13 Thread Seth Vidal

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com wrote:
 The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner.

 It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received
 from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP
 and co.

 Should be labeled Protovelo and I'm currently working out the
 details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such.

Good for you for getting the right labels on it and good for Grant for
being cool about getting it all straight.

always cool when everyone is acting fairly and in good faith.

I seem to see that a lot on this list.

-sv

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[RBW] tandems and other thoughts

2010-07-13 Thread Seth Vidal

Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

  http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

made me wonder if Riv has ever considered collaborating on a
semi-custom lugged tandem made (at least partially) with riv's lugs
and with Grant's design choices but maybe actually constructed by
someone like Bob Brown who has clearly made other tandems.

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 57cm, 650b wheels, fenders, tyres, Selle Anatomica saddle

+1 on the pictures

On Jul 13, 1:28 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 Awesomeness!

 Excited for you, Justin.

 Take many pics for viewing!

 -Scott

 On Jul 13, 10:39 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:

  My heart is filled with joy.

  Pretty excited.

  -Justin

  On Jul 13, 12:30 pm, Andreas Taenzer andreast.w...@gmail.com wrote:

   Everything is *sold*.

   Sorry that I have not replied to everybody individually - I received too
   many mails as that I could cope with the volume.

   On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Andreas Taenzer 
   andreast.w...@gmail.comwrote:

Listees,
FS are the following items:
1.  Bleriot 57cm 400$
about 300 miles ridden - prefer my q-beam
small paint chips
larger paint chips chaintube from dropped chain
Very small ding top tupe, barely visible - came that way from Riv -
likely UPS. About 3x6mm, may be 2mm deep.
Pics available upon request.
Comes with bb and headset, installed by Riv.
2.  Shimano N71, 32h, synergy front wheel, built by Anthony K.
(Greenleaf). 300 miles. $150.
3.  XT, 32h, synergy rear, built by Anthony.  300 miles. 150$.
4.  Buy both wheels and I will include a set of CdLVs and Ruffy Tuffy's,
both with less than 150miles as well as the inner tubes.
5.  Berthoud fender 650b, drilled for Bleriot, $30.
6.  Sella Anatomica, Clydesdale, black, wathershed, $80.
too wide for me.  100 miles.  I weigh 140lbs.

Bleriot incl. bb and hs, plus wheels, tyres, fenders $700.
Preference to selling everything to one person vs. parts.
Frame only will only be sold after wheels have gone.

Contact me off list.
Local inspection welcome (NH).
Shipping not included.
Paypal only.

Thanks.
Tailwinds,
Andreas

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[RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

Clearly 7.5 hours for a 115k ride is not a big physical challenge for
a typically experienced cyclist.

That said, I do not think it is difficult to argue that a 200k is an
impressive day's work, but those 200k rides are these Rando-folks'
easy rides.  300k is epic.  400k is crazy.  600k, 1000k, 1200k is just
beyond what I can comprehend putting myself through.  How many people
in the history of humankind have ridden 1200k in under 90 hours?  I'd
wager it's fewer than the number of people that finish the Boston
Marathon this year.  The Tour de France field is not putting in that
kind of mileage.  To my knowledge there is no other physical endeavor
that anyone would call a 'sport' that comprehends doing anything for
90 hours basically continuously.  Unless you want to enter Guiness
Book of World Records for dribbling a basketball or hula hooping.

I'm super intrigued to check it out and see how these folks operate.

On Jul 13, 2:12 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 7/13/10 8:57 AM, Ray Shine at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  Please forgive my general ignorance about randoneuring (heck, I'm not even
  certain how to pronoun it!) but what is the objective?  Is it to finish each
  leg or segment in a given time frame?  To find your own way without pavement
  arrows?  

 Ran-dun-UR-ring seems to be the most common. But, hey, I never took
 French...

 A good place to start is at the rusa.org site, though it has a bit of a
 formality to it that seems a trifle at odds with the quality of the
 camaraderie.

 http://www.rusa.org

 Basically, it's a ride (not race) over a course of fixed distance, stressing
 self-sufficiency in the rider and machine.  The times are designed so that a
 reasonably fit rider can complete it.  Typically, the distances are 200k,
 300K, 400K, 600K and 1200K, building over the season to allow riders to
 develop endurance and confidence over longer distances.  To qualify for
 Paris-Brest-Paris, you have to do a series.

 The clock is a rolling time, which means it's always going, so breaks for
 food, mechanicals, etc. are on the clock.  There is a time limit at each
 control which is designed to get you to the finish at the maximum allowed
 time.  Riders definitely go faster than the time limits, but there is a
 range along the spectrum, and most people end up in groups of similar
 ability.  For example, the SFR 200K has a 13.5 hour limit, I finished the
 last one at about 10:40, and the fastest riders were done at about 8 hours.

 No pavement arrows.  Route sheets are provided or made available.

  I have ridden this same route on my own a kazillion times and can't see why
  they allow 7.5 hours to finish it.  What am I not getting?

 Coffee breaks? Pizza at Bovine Bakery?
 As I mentioned, that time is the cutoff.   The times at each control are
 cutoff times, too, so if you don't make one of the those, you won't get
 credit for the ride.

 The Populaire is a way to test the waters on a ride of reasonable distance,
 and is a good way to get the idea of the controls, cards, route sheets, etc.

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

Poison oak here on the West Coast.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote:

look out for poison ivy before you pee in the woods

Ken

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Sip when thirsty. Eat a little bit every 25 miles. If you feel like
you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down. Enjoy!

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] tandems and other thoughts

There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past. I think G-Man
and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes. I've corresponded with him in the
past about a 29er build. Soo want to get one, but you know, that money
thing...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

made me wonder if Riv has ever considered collaborating on a
semi-custom lugged tandem made (at least partially) with riv's lugs
and with Grant's design choices but maybe actually constructed by
someone like Bob Brown who has clearly made other tandems.

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
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Re: [RBW] tandems and other thoughts

Yep, Gino has the proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/515613230/

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:47 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past. I think G-Man
and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes. I've corresponded with him in the
past about a 29er build. Soo want to get one, but you know, that money
thing...

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Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-13 Thread Kenneth Stagg

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:59 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
 you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!

The only change I'd make to Ryan's advice is to drink before you get
thirsty.  I know that if I wait until I'm thirsty I'm almost
guaranteed to bonk.  If I keep up with drinking a little every 15
minutes or so and never let myself get thirsty I'll be fine.

Definitely second slowing down if you feel you're pushing!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-13 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 16:50 -0500, Kenneth Stagg wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:59 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Sip when thirsty.  Eat a little bit every 25 miles.  If you feel like
  you're pushing a comfortable speed, slow down.  Enjoy!
 
 The only change I'd make to Ryan's advice is to drink before you get
 thirsty.  I know that if I wait until I'm thirsty I'm almost
 guaranteed to bonk.  If I keep up with drinking a little every 15
 minutes or so and never let myself get thirsty I'll be fine.


Velocio said that: 2. Eat lightly and often. Eat before getting hungry,
drink before you are thirsty.

 Definitely second slowing down if you feel you're pushing!

He said that, too: 6. Never rush things. Ride within yourself,
particularly during the first few hours of a ride when you feel strong
and are tempted to force the pace.

[Velocio quotes from http://www.outyourbackdoor.com/article.php?id=1187]


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[RBW] FS: Tweed - Grip Kings- VO Cage

2010-07-13 Thread Beth

Hello Summer Bikees!!

Up for sale are the following:

VO Moderniste Cage - 12.00 shipped
http://www.velo-orange.com/modernistecage.html

Tweed Keven's Bag - $75.00 Shipped

MKS Grip King pedals - 35.00 Shipped

All are in excellent condition. Thank you for your consideration.

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[RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-13 Thread S.Cutshall

I have no advise, but I can offer some advice:

avoid synthetic food  supplements [it's the equal of wearing lycra or
spandex on your outsides] in your insides; bananas/sunflower seeds/
walnuts  avocados do fantastic things; drink water before thirst
kicks in [as said many a time already]; don't overdrink water though
[sip/sip/sip]...

ride your pace [biggest mistake I see: folks riding others' pace: it
kills legs, body  spirit more quickly than all else]...

and be certain to engage in The Enjoyment of Doing Something New.

-Scott

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 Ok, I signed up for a 70 miler this next weekend.  Longest ride this
 year for me.  I am looking for food, hydration or whatever advise so I
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[RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

2010-07-13 Thread S.Cutshall

I always liked this one [from when we resided in MPLS, and I got to
test ride it with Bob before it went to the client]...

http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/gallery/law_comp1.jpg

-Scott

On Jul 13, 2:25 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

 and Mr Brown making Tandems:

  http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

 made me wonder if Riv has ever considered collaborating on a
 semi-custom lugged tandem made (at least partially) with riv's lugs
 and with Grant's design choices but maybe actually constructed by
 someone like Bob Brown who has clearly made other tandems.

 Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
 go talk to Mr Brown myself.

 I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
 -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

2010-07-13 Thread Jon Grant

S.Cutshall wrote:

I always liked this one [from when we resided in MPLS, and I got to
test ride it with Bob before it went to the client]...

http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/gallery/law_comp1.jpg

---

So, not to be so gauche, but what does a rig like that cost, all in?

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Re: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

Wow, that has some sort of crazy reduction gear drive on it.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:

I always liked this one [from when we resided in MPLS, and I got to
test ride it with Bob before it went to the client]...

http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/gallery/law_comp1.jpg

-Scott

On Jul 13, 2:25 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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[RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

The Stoker is Always Right

That's priceless.  You have to love a disk rotor the size of a large
pizza.

On Jul 13, 3:07 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 I always liked this one [from when we resided in MPLS, and I got to
 test ride it with Bob before it went to the client]...

 http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/gallery/law_comp1.jpg

 -Scott

 On Jul 13, 2:25 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

  and Mr Brown making Tandems:

   http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

  made me wonder if Riv has ever considered collaborating on a
  semi-custom lugged tandem made (at least partially) with riv's lugs
  and with Grant's design choices but maybe actually constructed by
  someone like Bob Brown who has clearly made other tandems.

  Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
  go talk to Mr Brown myself.

  I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
  -sv



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Re: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

Frames are listed at $4K, plus couplers, plus carbon fork, plus...

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 S.Cutshall wrote:

 I always liked this one [from when we resided in MPLS, and I got to
 test ride it with Bob before it went to the client]...

 http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/gallery/law_comp1.jpg

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 So, not to be so gauche, but what does a rig like that cost, all in?

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[RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

2010-07-13 Thread rperks

I think that is a Da Vinci stye set up that transfers the captains
efforts while decoupling the timing with the stoker.

Rob

On Jul 13, 3:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, that has some sort of crazy reduction gear drive on it.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
I always liked this one [from when we resided in MPLS, and I got to
test ride it with Bob before it went to the client]...

http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/gallery/law_comp1.jpg

-Scott

On Jul 13, 2:25 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

A, that makes sense. I've read of those, but have never seen one.

I wanna know my stoker's pedaling! :-)

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:20 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:

I think that is a Da Vinci stye set up that transfers the captains
efforts while decoupling the timing with the stoker.

Rob

On Jul 13, 3:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, that has some sort of crazy reduction gear drive on it.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
I always liked this one [from when we resided in MPLS, and I got to
test ride it with Bob before it went to the client]...

http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/gallery/law_comp1.jpg

-Scott

On Jul 13, 2:25 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should
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go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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[RBW] 1995 Waterford Rivs, was Odd small Riv on Ebay

2010-07-13 Thread Bruce

I have one of those bikes now. IIRC the date code is C or G (not well struck 
into the BB shell. I lean towards G) 95015. This according to the Waterford 
date 
system yields the 15th frame (of any kind, I thin) made there in July of 1995. 
Which is before that interesting soon-to-be Protovelo.  Mine has a standard 
Waterford style head tube and front end geometry, as close as I can measure 
with 
a protractor (no RBW style extension) and as mentioned below, has two forks. 
The 
never installed HJ and the never yet any trouble biplane Rivvie.  And, being on 
the short side, I've converted mine to 650B for better stand over. It is a 
super 
bike and flies on Pari-Motos, which just barely fit (no fender clearance).

Tailwinds..





From: Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:24:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay

Grant, thanks for closing the loop on that :^)

I knew about the early Waterford bikes that went  out with HJ crowns due to the 
redesign of the original RBW crown, my friend Phil had an early one for a while 
that actually had 2 forks, one with the RBW crown and one with the HJ).  I 
didn't know there were geometry prototypes out there, but I guess it makes 
sense, unless they were destroyed or something...

Doug


  

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[RBW] Re: Tire and Bar Tape Color Help

2010-07-13 Thread Johnny Alien

Here is a photo of my clearance. The tires on there now are Avocet
28C. I need to measure how true they are to 28 but if they are I
should have decent room for larger.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1991%20Bridgestone%20RB-2/0713001902.jpg

On Jul 13, 5:02 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
That does look great. I think that it's in my top three. It will
either be celery with clear, orange with amber or the pine (not sure
what shellac).

As far as tires are concerned I am thinking the Kojaks, Rolly Polys or
Pasela TG's. The Paselas are cheaper but also seem lighter. Not sure
if that is true. Anyone try or compare those with other light fast
tires?

On Jul 13, 3:09 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote:

-nathan

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net
wrote:
Hey guys!

Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2. Very nice
bike and it is in amazing condition.

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/japanese-cloth-tape/16-125

Here is the bike. As you can see that tape really needs some help. I
also still need to clean it up and get the bars up a bit.

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[RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

2010-07-13 Thread Frankwurst

Reason being is, this is a good list and I don't care what anybody
says Grant is cool in my book. Thanks to him for creating Rivendell.
He's completely changed my perspective about riding and bicycles in
general.

On Jul 13, 4:15 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com wrote:
  The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner.

  It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received
  from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP
  and co.

  Should be labeled Protovelo and I'm currently working out the
  details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such.

 Good for you for getting the right labels on it and good for Grant for
 being cool about getting it all straight.

 always cool when everyone is acting fairly and in good faith.

 I seem to see that a lot on this list.

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

2010-07-13 Thread rb

Further to some comments above...having been called out  on another
list as being a chrome paramount forger [quite humorous to me ] I
would posit that it's a heck of a difficult thing to try to forge a
bike frame, and really...for a $75.00 profit? Surely if one is a
scammer there is a more lucrative cash pool in all sorts of other
arenas - bike frames are pretty low ticket (I happily sold the
Paramount for less than I had into it). Hard to think that the effort
of passing off a fake Riv would result in a big payoff...specialized
information, as this thread shows, is pretty well concentrated on the
hinternet.

Glad to see that it got properly identified with a real provenance;
and looking forward to seeing the final build.

Ron

On Jul 13, 7:27 pm, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote:
 Reason being is, this is a good list and I don't care what anybody
 says Grant is cool in my book. Thanks to him for creating Rivendell.
 He's completely changed my perspective about riding and bicycles in
 general.

 On Jul 13, 4:15 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com wrote:
   The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner.

   It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received
   from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP
   and co.

   Should be labeled Protovelo and I'm currently working out the
   details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such.

  Good for you for getting the right labels on it and good for Grant for
  being cool about getting it all straight.

  always cool when everyone is acting fairly and in good faith.

  I seem to see that a lot on this list.

  -sv

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[RBW] Portland visit

A whole lot of driving in order to go ride my bike (and drive some more) in
Portland for a week.  I had a really nice time up there.  Was able to ride
with Ron and Mike, visited with Beth and toured the inner workings of City
Bikes.  Almost met up with Lynne as well.  Philip was playing hard to get,
so that just didn't happen either.  I think I brought the hot weather with
me as it was warmer there than back at home in Sunny SoCal.

For the record, there's a critical mass of Ents up there.  My old Quickbeam,
Mike's and Ron's, Philip's to the southwest and Jeff who works at River City
Bikes.  That can be five in one place if you QB people can organize things
for an Entmoot!

The East-side is great riding and has beautiful old homes.  The West-side
has scary narrow roads and lots of hills.  Drivers seemed thoughtful (we
watched out for the trash trucks!).  Wonderful beer flowing from fountains
everywhere.  Did the short-track race to say could.  My son placed third
in the kiddie event, then proceeded to ride in circles on the little track
for another hour and a half.  Definite endurance rider!  He was able to
enjoy the Oregon medical system after a telephone poll jumped out and
knocked him off his bike.

Thanks to everyone who went out of their way to say hi and help us have a
good time up there!  Might have to make this an annual migration!

Lots o' pix here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157624363851979/

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[RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

2010-07-13 Thread Michael_S

Grant's Mercian kinda looks like a Bleriot at 1st glance... wonder
which came 1st? Maybe it was re-painted and those colors were
handy?

and yes a nice lugged tandem would be very nice to own.

~Mike~

On Jul 13, 3:21 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
A, that makes sense. I've read of those, but have never seen one.

I wanna know my stoker's pedaling! :-)

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:20 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
I think that is a Da Vinci stye set up that transfers the captains
efforts while decoupling the timing with the stoker.

Rob

On Jul 13, 3:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, that has some sort of crazy reduction gear drive on it.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
I always liked this one [from when we resided in MPLS, and I got to
test ride it with Bob before it went to the client]...

http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/gallery/law_comp1.jpg

-Scott

On Jul 13, 2:25 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should
just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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[RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

2010-07-13 Thread MichaelH

I wouldn't hold my breath about Riv producing a stock tandem.  Having
just bought a custom tandem from Steven Bilenkey, my research showed
that the cost of a good stock tandem, eg., Co-Motion  Santana, is
almost as much as a custom tandem, and when you throw in SS couplers,
a hi volume custom producer, like Bilenkey, can offer prices equal
to the stock prices.

Anyway, I love my new touring tandem and it is pretty rivish.  If you
are thinking of a tandem, I can say, ours has proven to be a lot of
fun.  Here it is.

http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076

Michael

On Jul 13, 5:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past.  I think G-Man
 and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

 Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes.  I've corresponded with him in the
 past about a 29er build.  Soo want to get one, but you know, that money
 thing...





 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

  and Mr Brown making Tandems:

   http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

  made me wonder if Riv has ever considered collaborating on a
  semi-custom lugged tandem made (at least partially) with riv's lugs
  and with Grant's design choices but maybe actually constructed by
  someone like Bob Brown who has clearly made other tandems.

  Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
  go talk to Mr Brown myself.

  I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
  -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

Your Bilenkey is beautiful!

I don't think R. will be coming out with one soon. A huge amount of
development cost in the lugs if nothing else.

The big names in the tandem industry (C-M Santana) have one big problem in
that they don't fit large (32mm) tires. IMHO, that's the minimum size a
tandem should have, not where it maxes out at! Of course I salivate at the
idea of a tandem built around 700C Big Apples!!!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:39 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

I wouldn't hold my breath about Riv producing a stock tandem. Having
just bought a custom tandem from Steven Bilenkey, my research showed
that the cost of a good stock tandem, eg., Co-Motion Santana, is
almost as much as a custom tandem, and when you throw in SS couplers,
a hi volume custom producer, like Bilenkey, can offer prices equal
to the stock prices.

Anyway, I love my new touring tandem and it is pretty rivish. If you
are thinking of a tandem, I can say, ours has proven to be a lot of
fun. Here it is.

http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076

Michael

On Jul 13, 5:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past. I think
G-Man
and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes. I've corresponded with him in the
past about a 29er build. Soo want to get one, but you know, that
money
thing...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

2010-07-13 Thread Larry Powers

We all do silly things at times and my Bilenky tandem is one of those things my
wife and I did. I still love this bike and may get to actually try out the
couplers this year.

www.flickr.com/photos/14277...@n02/sets/72157604781707743/

Larry Powers

Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:39:15 -0700
Subject: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts
From: mhech...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

Anyway, I love my new touring tandem and it is pretty rivish. If you
are thinking of a tandem, I can say, ours has proven to be a lot of
fun. Here it is.

http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076

Michael

On Jul 13, 5:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past. I think G-Man
and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes. I've corresponded with him in the
past about a 29er build. Soo want to get one, but you know, that money
thing...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
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I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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[RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

I've got 700x37 Paselas on my Ibis Touche, but sadly I haven't ridden
them a single inch.

On Jul 13, 5:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Your Bilenkey is beautiful!

 I don't think R. will be coming out with one soon.  A huge amount of
 development cost in the lugs if nothing else.

 The big names in the tandem industry (C-M  Santana) have one big problem in
 that they don't fit large (32mm) tires.  IMHO, that's the minimum size a
 tandem should have, not where it maxes out at!  Of course I salivate at the
 idea of a tandem built around 700C Big Apples!!!





 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:39 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
  I wouldn't hold my breath about Riv producing a stock tandem.  Having
  just bought a custom tandem from Steven Bilenkey, my research showed
  that the cost of a good stock tandem, eg., Co-Motion  Santana, is
  almost as much as a custom tandem, and when you throw in SS couplers,
  a hi volume custom producer, like Bilenkey, can offer prices equal
  to the stock prices.

  Anyway, I love my new touring tandem and it is pretty rivish.  If you
  are thinking of a tandem, I can say, ours has proven to be a lot of
  fun.  Here it is.

 http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076

  Michael

  On Jul 13, 5:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
   There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past.  I think
  G-Man
   and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

   Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes.  I've corresponded with him in the
   past about a 29er build.  Soo want to get one, but you know, that
  money
   thing...

   On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

 http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

made me wonder if Riv has ever considered collaborating on a
semi-custom lugged tandem made (at least partially) with riv's lugs
and with Grant's design choices but maybe actually constructed by
someone like Bob Brown who has clearly made other tandems.

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

2010-07-13 Thread Anne Paulson

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Clearly 7.5 hours for a 115k ride is not a big physical challenge for
 a typically experienced cyclist.

 That said, I do not think it is difficult to argue that a 200k is an
 impressive day's work, but those 200k rides are these Rando-folks'
 easy rides.

For that reason, in my view the SFR are making a mistake in choosing
to offer a 115K Populaire, instead of a longer one. I'm probably in
the target group for randonneuring: I've done 200Ks, I've even done
200 mile rides, though not in the last two decades. And I've always
been intrigued by the idea of randonneur rides. But why would I bother
to make my way to San Francisco just to ride 70 miles? I ride 70 miles
from my door every week or so; nothing special about that. I'd try a
longer Populaire, but 115K has no appeal.

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[RBW] Re: Event ride on Saluki coming up, need advise

2010-07-13 Thread Bill M.

Another hydration tip - if you don't have to pee at some point during
the ride, you're not drinking enough.

Good luck and good tailwinds!

Bill

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 Ok, I signed up for a 70 miler this next weekend.  Longest ride this
 year for me.  I am looking for food, hydration or whatever advise so I
 don't bonk.    Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

But Anne, there are no special barriers to entering the 200k and 300k
events.  They are cheap to free as well, so you can consider those
your 'Populaire' intro to rando rides.  Your 'entry level' just
happens to be a level or three higher than most of us.

On Jul 13, 8:37 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Clearly 7.5 hours for a 115k ride is not a big physical challenge for
  a typically experienced cyclist.

  That said, I do not think it is difficult to argue that a 200k is an
  impressive day's work, but those 200k rides are these Rando-folks'
  easy rides.

 For that reason, in my view the SFR are making a mistake in choosing
 to offer a 115K Populaire, instead of a longer one. I'm probably in
 the target group for randonneuring: I've done 200Ks, I've even done
 200 mile rides, though not in the last two decades. And I've always
 been intrigued by the idea of randonneur rides. But why would I bother
 to make my way to San Francisco just to ride 70 miles? I ride 70 miles
 from my door every week or so; nothing special about that. I'd try a
 longer Populaire, but 115K has no appeal.

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[RBW] Re: SFRandonneurs Fall Populaire - July 17th

2010-07-13 Thread Bill M.

A little web searching reveals:

According to the RUSA website, 4,500 PBP riders were expected in 2007,
and in 2011 there will be a cap at that number to prevent 'saturation'
of the controls.  There are other 1200's, too.  The fastest PBP riders
will do it in the low 40-hour range.  30 or so American riders have
completed PBP in under 56 hours.  I used to ride with one of them in
the Davis bike club (Daryn Dodge), and briefly met two others (Lon
Haldeman and Susan Notorangelo).

22,000+ runners finished the 2009 Boston Marathon.

This year's Tour de France will cover 2,200 miles in 21 days.  Fewer
than 200 riders start the TdF, fewer than that finish.  Now THAT's an
elite group!

Bill


On Jul 13, 2:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Clearly 7.5 hours for a 115k ride is not a big physical challenge for
 a typically experienced cyclist.

 That said, I do not think it is difficult to argue that a 200k is an
 impressive day's work, but those 200k rides are these Rando-folks'
 easy rides.  300k is epic.  400k is crazy.  600k, 1000k, 1200k is just
 beyond what I can comprehend putting myself through.  How many people
 in the history of humankind have ridden 1200k in under 90 hours?  I'd
 wager it's fewer than the number of people that finish the Boston
 Marathon this year.  The Tour de France field is not putting in that
 kind of mileage.  To my knowledge there is no other physical endeavor
 that anyone would call a 'sport' that comprehends doing anything for
 90 hours basically continuously.  Unless you want to enter Guiness
 Book of World Records for dribbling a basketball or hula hooping.

 I'm super intrigued to check it out and see how these folks operate.

 On Jul 13, 2:12 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:



  on 7/13/10 8:57 AM, Ray Shine at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

   Please forgive my general ignorance about randoneuring (heck, I'm not even
   certain how to pronoun it!) but what is the objective?  Is it to finish 
   each
   leg or segment in a given time frame?  To find your own way without 
   pavement
   arrows?  

  Ran-dun-UR-ring seems to be the most common. But, hey, I never took
  French...

  A good place to start is at the rusa.org site, though it has a bit of a
  formality to it that seems a trifle at odds with the quality of the
  camaraderie.

 http://www.rusa.org

  Basically, it's a ride (not race) over a course of fixed distance, stressing
  self-sufficiency in the rider and machine.  The times are designed so that a
  reasonably fit rider can complete it.  Typically, the distances are 200k,
  300K, 400K, 600K and 1200K, building over the season to allow riders to
  develop endurance and confidence over longer distances.  To qualify for
  Paris-Brest-Paris, you have to do a series.

  The clock is a rolling time, which means it's always going, so breaks for
  food, mechanicals, etc. are on the clock.  There is a time limit at each
  control which is designed to get you to the finish at the maximum allowed
  time.  Riders definitely go faster than the time limits, but there is a
  range along the spectrum, and most people end up in groups of similar
  ability.  For example, the SFR 200K has a 13.5 hour limit, I finished the
  last one at about 10:40, and the fastest riders were done at about 8 hours.

  No pavement arrows.  Route sheets are provided or made available.

   I have ridden this same route on my own a kazillion times and can't see 
   why
   they allow 7.5 hours to finish it.  What am I not getting?

  Coffee breaks? Pizza at Bovine Bakery?
  As I mentioned, that time is the cutoff.   The times at each control are
  cutoff times, too, so if you don't make one of the those, you won't get
  credit for the ride.

  The Populaire is a way to test the waters on a ride of reasonable distance,
  and is a good way to get the idea of the controls, cards, route sheets, etc.

  - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts


Wow--that is a gorgeous tandem!

Our family is brand new to the tandem world. I just bought a used Bike  
Friday Triple I was looking for a tandem to ride with my seven- 
year-old son, and this one came with a bonus third seat for my  
wife. :) It breaks down to a tandem as well. We haven't ridden it much  
yet, but it looks to be a fun family activity.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/robharrison/sets/72157624245156173/

Rob in Seattle


On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Larry Powers wrote:

We all do silly things at times and my Bilenky tandem is one of  
those things my wife and I did.  I still love this bike and may get  
to actually try out the couplers this year.


www.flickr.com/photos/14277...@n02/sets/72157604781707743/


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Re: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

Wow, that is beautiful!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Larry Powers lapower...@hotmail.comwrote:

We all do silly things at times and my Bilenky tandem is one of those
things my wife and I did. I still love this bike and may get to actually
try out the couplers this year.

www.flickr.com/photos/14277...@n02/sets/72157604781707743/

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:39:15 -0700
Subject: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts
From: mhech...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

Anyway, I love my new touring tandem and it is pretty rivish. If you
are thinking of a tandem, I can say, ours has proven to be a lot of
fun. Here it is.

http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076

Michael

On Jul 13, 5:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past. I think
G-Man
and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes. I've corresponded with him in
the
past about a 29er build. Soo want to get one, but you know, that
money
thing...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should
just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

I feel the same way about our C-M Double Espresso... it's collecting a lot
of dust since we started breeding...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:08 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

I've got 700x37 Paselas on my Ibis Touche, but sadly I haven't ridden
them a single inch.

On Jul 13, 5:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Your Bilenkey is beautiful!

I don't think R. will be coming out with one soon. A huge amount of
development cost in the lugs if nothing else.

The big names in the tandem industry (C-M Santana) have one big problem
in
that they don't fit large (32mm) tires. IMHO, that's the minimum size a
tandem should have, not where it maxes out at! Of course I salivate at
the
idea of a tandem built around 700C Big Apples!!!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:39 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't hold my breath about Riv producing a stock tandem. Having
just bought a custom tandem from Steven Bilenkey, my research showed
that the cost of a good stock tandem, eg., Co-Motion Santana, is
almost as much as a custom tandem, and when you throw in SS couplers,
a hi volume custom producer, like Bilenkey, can offer prices equal
to the stock prices.

Anyway, I love my new touring tandem and it is pretty rivish. If you
are thinking of a tandem, I can say, ours has proven to be a lot of
fun. Here it is.

http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076

Michael

On Jul 13, 5:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past. I think
G-Man
and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes. I've corresponded with him in
the
past about a 29er build. Soo want to get one, but you know, that
money
thing...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com
wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should
just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
-sv

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[RBW] Re: tandems and other thoughts

2010-07-13 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

Tandems can be made to work with bigger tires, after a fashion. I was
tired of the limitations of 28 mm tires. Now my tandem runs Big Apple
26x2.35, and it CAN run 26x4.0 up front. From the 10+foot hydraulic
brake line to the steerer-tube diameter mismatch to the home-brewed 90
mm kiddie-crank, it's not exactly a stock machine, however...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/twowheelflight/4707863390/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/twowheelflight/4761132916/

My little girl Elissa, age 5, and probably about 37 lbs soaking wet,
has done 70-mile days back-to-back with me. And my son Oliver, age 2.5
pedaled for the first time last weekend: 8 miles. My favorite rides
are the ones where I have a little kid babbling behind me in the
stoker seat!

On Jul 13, 7:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Your Bilenkey is beautiful!

I don't think R. will be coming out with one soon. A huge amount of
development cost in the lugs if nothing else.

Anyway, I love my new touring tandem and it is pretty rivish. If you
are thinking of a tandem, I can say, ours has proven to be a lot of
fun. Here it is.

http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076

Michael

On Jul 13, 5:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been rumblings of a Rivendell tandem in the past. I think
G-Man
and the Mrs. have a Mercian.

Bob Brown makes some WONDERFUL bikes. I've corresponded with him in the
past about a 29er build. Soo want to get one, but you know, that
money
thing...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at Scott's pictures of his visit from Bob Brown:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624344103329/

and Mr Brown making Tandems:

http://bobbrowncycles.com/tandems.htm

Or maybe I'm just being silly and if I want a new tandem I should just
go talk to Mr Brown myself.

I know I'm not the only one here who rides a tandem. :)
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[RBW] Anyone riding the STP this weekend?