[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
creek gravel is different from road gravel - I don't think there's a tire that will stay up in what are basically bearings. For gravel roads with irregular chert gravel, I like a fat tire, 35+. The fatter the better, for more float in the deep sections. If it's mostly dirt with gravel, or the gravel is very compacted, 30mm road tires will work okay. I used to ride inverted knobbies, but I don't anymore. I think they're just heavy. They're tough, though. The Ground Control is a great tire - I'd ride it. 25 psi seems low, but I'm heavy. Lowering the pressure in gravel helps me a lot. Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Oct 13, 5:04 pm, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: Advice sought about riding in the gravel: Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers more grip. Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t pick my line sagely.) As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect on the conventional wisdom. I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for this application. Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) Any advice appreciated, Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Riv-ish 58cm Surly Pacer Club Racer Build
TJ, you are correct that some of those parts would be great for the AHH, but the AHH I bought was pretty much complete less drivetrain, saddle, and pedals and I actually have an Ultegra triple drivetrain for the AHH. I wanted to try to sell it complete first because I spent a lot of time picking the parts for the Pacer and building it up and it kind of pains me to disassemble it so soon - especially since it is a really sweet riding/looking bike. If I end up parting it out I'll probably use a handful of the parts on the AHH and a planned single speed commuter build (looking for an appropriate frame/ quickbeam btw) and sell the wheels, frame, and some other small bits. I actually have someone interested in the frame and I told him I'd let him know by the end of the week. If that happens I'll post the parts for sale on here first. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Tires for Gravel Roads
Yes, everything already said. I recall TCs run a bit small??? If you can fit 'em, try some of the 60mm Big Apples. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.netwrote: Advice sought about riding in the gravel: Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers more grip. Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t pick my line sagely.) As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect on the conventional wisdom. I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for this application. Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) Any advice appreciated, Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale or Trade: Fizik Arione CX
I have what is essentially a brand new Fizik Arione saddle in black. It was mounted once and then removed. Comes with the original packaging. This is the one with the Klium rails but is the 2010 model which weighs only 205g. I realize this is not typical Riv saddles but there are a bunch of Roadeo riders here that I thought might be interested. These newer ones sell for $170 roughly. I well sell this one for $110 shipped OR if anyone has a Brooks Swift that they would like to trade that is the saddle I would like to try next. Black or brown. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
Yeah Bob, I rode a similar road yesterday where I live. A steep ascent of a broken patched primitive road covered in mixed rock and gravel. A road so bad, it's the only way I know how to describe it. As I'm pushing my way up in a 24/32 gear, just barely getting enough traction not to fall . I'm wondering the same as you, how to get more traction. I've also ridden up the same hill on my road bike with 34mm tires, and it was no different. Once in a while I drive my F150 2WD pickup up it, with it's 255mm tires, and it slips too on the steep part. I go the same with it as I do riding . go slow(of course, the steep pitch takes care of that !), but maintain a steady pace and line. My conclusion, the tire really doesn't matter. Picking your line, holding it steady, and smooth pedaling does make a difference. If I have to get off the bike for a stint, so be it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale or Trade: Fizik Arione CX
Like this: http://kozy.com/product/fizik-arione-cx-w-kium-rails-12572.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
I would probably agree. Spent the last week riding mostly off paved roads with WTB Nanorapor tires 29x2.1. Those are good in most situations. Although loose gravel on top of a road surface is tricky. Have not tried the Conti TC although numerous riders have recommended them as good on all surfaces. Have ridden Big Apple 50s on gravel. On smoother and flatter roads they work well. My bike handling skills are not to the point where I have had good luck with them on tricky ascents/descents. Then again, list member Jim Thill has raced on gravel roads with Schwalbe Kojack tires without any problems. Guess the point is - probably more the rider than the tire. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 14, 6:50 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah Bob, I rode a similar road yesterday where I live. A steep ascent of a broken patched primitive road covered in mixed rock and gravel. A road so bad, it's the only way I know how to describe it. As I'm pushing my way up in a 24/32 gear, just barely getting enough traction not to fall . I'm wondering the same as you, how to get more traction. I've also ridden up the same hill on my road bike with 34mm tires, and it was no different. Once in a while I drive my F150 2WD pickup up it, with it's 255mm tires, and it slips too on the steep part. I go the same with it as I do riding . go slow(of course, the steep pitch takes care of that !), but maintain a steady pace and line. My conclusion, the tire really doesn't matter. Picking your line, holding it steady, and smooth pedaling does make a difference. If I have to get off the bike for a stint, so be it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
How about inverted tread tires like the late lamented Avocet Cross II ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
On Oct 13, 8:04 pm, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: Advice sought about riding in the gravel: lower your tire pressure! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
A low profile cyclocross tire, something not super-fat, like a 32mm works well in mixed terrain. Rather than floating over loose surface like a fat tire would, the narrow tires sink into it and give solid traction. I've had excellent luck with the Challenge Grifo XS tires - the low profile tread grips well and they VERY speedy when mixed terrain returns to pavement. These feel quite cushy for 32mm tire - worth the $$$ IMO. Ritchey Speedmax cross tires are nice for trails too but are not quite as quick on pavement. That said, smooth pedaling and good body position are at least as important are important too. On Oct 14, 8:59 am, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: How about inverted tread tires like the late lamented Avocet Cross II ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?
A friend of mine has one and loaned it to me for a few days. I didn't like it. You can mount it on a front rack (Mark's Rack, Nitto mini- front rack) without a decauler but it didn't seem entirely steady. The bag's construction seemed cheap and it was too small. I think it's even smaller than the Acorn rando bag. The area where you put a cue sheet is rather small and so if you used it for a brevet, depending on the number of cues, you might find yourself having to adjust the cue sheet frequently. Also it's not that tall so if it's going on a big bike, say 60cm frame, it looks kind of odd and isn't as easy to access. Overall the bag just seems to miss the boat.Still, the bag is inexpensive. If you're looking for a bag to use for randonneuring just bite the bullet and get a Berthoud HB bag through the Rene Herse online store. The guy who runs it, Mike Kone, is super nice and helpful. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale or Trade: Fizik Arione CX
Have you checked out the Fizik Aliante? IMO, the shape is more humane than the Arione, similar to the shape of my Brooks Pro. The Aliante rides more comfortably than any other plastic saddle I've used. On Oct 14, 7:45 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: These newer ones sell for $170 roughly. I well sell this one for $110 shipped OR if anyone has a Brooks Swift that they would like to trade that is the saddle I would like to try next. Black or brown. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Slightly OT: Renaissanced Bicycle Google Group
While Riv-ish pursuits occupy a lot of our time at Renaissance Bicycles, we are also interested in tinkering with and upgrading classic bikes. Anything from 650B conversions to reviving old Raleigh 3-speeds. These bikes may not always be the most desirable bikes to the masses (just like Rivendells), we see the untapped potential in vintage beater forgotten by others. And based on the number of questions we receive regarding how-to's, we suspect there are enough interested renaissancers out there to provide a proper community. Hence, we have created the Renaissanced Bicycle Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/renaissanced-bicycle-group This group is not intended for just our customers, but rather for anyone interested in reviving a classic bike with modern components. In other words, it is a place for comradery, assistance, and a shared interest in reviving classic bicycles. Likewise, it is not intended or restricted to one type / category / model of bicycle -- everyone and everything is welcome. Visit, join, contribute. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale or Trade: Fizik Arione CX
I actually thought it was pretty comfortable I just decided that I would like to have a slightly more classic look. For anyone wanting a nice modern saddle though I think it's fantastic. I figured I would see if someone wanted it here before sending it off to ebay. On Oct 14, 9:59 am, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: Have you checked out the Fizik Aliante? IMO, the shape is more humane than the Arione, similar to the shape of my Brooks Pro. The Aliante rides more comfortably than any other plastic saddle I've used. On Oct 14, 7:45 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: These newer ones sell for $170 roughly. I well sell this one for $110 shipped OR if anyone has a Brooks Swift that they would like to trade that is the saddle I would like to try next. Black or brown. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10
Hi Manny. So far, my setup has been working out for me. But there are two caveats. One, I have them in a non-traditional position, in that they are slung low relative to the saddle (about an inch drop). Two, the longest ride I've done with them was 55 miles. I'm planning on extending my range with the Quickbeam and just have to go about doing it. Overall, I've done a number of 40-50 mile rides with them. In comparison to drops, there are less hand positions that affect the angle of my back and the angle of my palms and wrists. Those are the biggest limitations I've found with my setup. As you know, when you ride long distances, variation provides welcome relief. With drops, I get these: in the hooks, in the drops, on the ramps, on the bends, and on the top. That's pretty remarkable. With the low-slung 'staches, I go about things thisaway: My normal cruising position is to have my hands just outboard of the hooks, palms facing each other and thumbs hooked under the bars. This is my analog to the hoods positions and it works great. With the inverse levers, I can access the brakes with my pinkie and ring fingers pretty immediately. To vary things up with my hands, I sometimes move my thumbs over the bars, instead of under. When my back starts honking, I sit up and hang onto the bars right at their ends. The extensions that the inverse levers provide make this work out pretty nice, but I can't maintain this position for very long. So, I opt for frequency over duration in these cases. And, every once in a while I'll just sit up straight and ride no-handed. When I need speed or when facing a good seated climb, I put my paws over the hooks, palms facing the ground, elbows bent 90 degrees, and back flattened. Then I tug and churn. I call this my Pineapple Bob tribute: http://tinyurl.com/2ck8gmp. And, for climbing while standing, the bars are the best setup I've ever used. So, there's your very long and detailed answer. I can thank morning coffee and NyQuil for it (shaking off a cold). Best, Lee On Oct 13, 11:39 am, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the ride report Lee. I really like your set up been thinking of making a bike with the same handlebar/brake combo set up. Hows it ride for you? Any advantage or disadvantages over having drop bars? -Manny On Oct 13, 11:08 am, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anne. I'm no great bike handler, but here is what I ride. The Quickbeam is a 650B conversion. So far, I've used the 32mm Nifty Swiftys with the lightly-treaded checkerboard pattern. I had trouble with them in terms of traction on some steep upward pitches. I had them at about 50-55 last time I rode these trails. I've used Col de la Vies on a few different bikes in the Headlands and these worked very well. They measure out to about 35.555etc. mm and have good, deep oval-shaped treads. Normally, I run them at 60-65 psi on my commute. On the trails, I set them to about 55-60. Less would probably help both with traction and to provide float on the deeper, sandy stuff. Speaking of deep, sandy stuff, that is the main issue I have with trail riding. On climbs, I can spin out when I hit such a patch, particularly on the one speed. So, I try to pick a decent line and hunker my butt down on the back edge of the saddle when cranking through it, as recommended to me on my last mixed terrain ride report. On descents, I get a little leary of the slip-and-slide action as I pass through the wash. So again, I try to pick a decent line, dampen my speed some before hitting the patch. Then, let loose the brakes and try to keep my line as straight as possible as I forge my way through the deep stuff. Overall, though, I'm a pretty slow descender on trails. Again, I'm a newb to this type of riding and I'm sure there are a lot of smart techniques out there that folks have developed, if anyone wants to chime in here. My Col de la Vies have given out, so I'm thinking about the new Soma 650B tires, which are ~38mm equivalents of your Paselas (at least superficially). I'm interested in seeing how they do on those trails. Plus, they are a little bit lighter than the Col de la Vies. I know, I know, it's all about the engine. But this engine welcomes any help it can get! Best, Lee On Oct 13, 9:55 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds fantastic. What tires do you find necessary for adventures like that? What tires would you recommend for someone who's not a great bike handler? What pressure did you run your tires at? I like riding my Atlantis (32 mm Panaracer Paselas) on dirt fire roads, but lately, at the end of the summer, I've been chickening out and walking more, as the fire roads in the South Bay (and presumably in Marin as well) are covered with gravel and dust. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam
[RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10
Doug, I hope you do ride some trails soon! I, too, get a lot of inspiration from other listers stories and pics. I just love how these Rivs are so good at both roads and trails. One story from the ride that I just reported: About half-way up this great, paved climbed called Conzelman Road, construction workers were out fixing up the roads. (As locals would know, they are doing major road renovations all in the Headlands and various roads are off-limits for months at a time.). While climbing the road to the half-way point to get to our trail, the construction crew had stopped all traffic. They were laying long swaths of aggregate down, and then ferrying cars across in intervals. They were adamantly refusing access to all cyclists, telling them that there's no way a bike could get across such treacherous ground. Other cyclists were turning back, but I sidled up to the main dude and asked what made it treacherous. He said the beds were aggregate, sharp and pointy, covering the road for a good 50 yards or so. The crew chief gave me a p.o.'d look and said you'll pop your tires and then what will you do!. I thought: this is exactly why I've chosen the kind of bikes, build, and tires that I'm riding. It was born for this. So, I told him I'd take my chances and that I have a very tough bike. So, they let us through. The terrain was no worse than some of the gravely trails in the Headlands. But if you bet that I was sweating it hoping that a freak mishap wouldn't occur, you'd be a winner. As for technique, that is much too elegant a word for what I do out there :) Best, Lee On Oct 13, 5:15 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Lee: Nice photos. Motivates me to head for the trail tomorrow. To your question regarding preference, it's a mood thing. Like you, sometimes I like to push it a bit on the pavement, and other times it's relaxing to just dawdle around in the dirt (of course, for me that usually involves plenty of pushing too!). There are several rides I do where I use a fire trail or similar to connect together a couple of paved areas. These short cuts usually take a lot more time effort than staying on the pavement would. The nice thing about a Rivendell is they are happy to do it all. dougP On Oct 13, 9:50 am, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam for a weekend ride for the first time in more than a month. It took me out into the Marin Headlands to explore the wonderful set of trails inscribed there along the southern three ridges. Despite being underpowered and therefore, a bit undergeared, it was a wonderful afternoon. Trails, hills, beaches, and an ocean, with only minimal interruptions by three other cyclists, two runners, and a handful of hikers--all just 10 miles or so from my urban-crushed doorstep. I seem to oscillate between these types of out-back trail rides and longer road rides out into the country. Sometimes it's fun to get into a steady cadence on the road, feel a little speed, and enjoy the breeze in your face. Other times, I just want nothing to do with other bipeds (no offense of course) and head off to the nearest trailhead. Do you all have a preference for one type of riding over another? In any event, I'm just glad I have a bike that lets me do both so enjoyably. Here's the visuals: http://tinyurl.com/2dc6r76 Take care, Lee SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 06:45 -0700, Mike wrote: A friend of mine has one and loaned it to me for a few days. I didn't like it. You can mount it on a front rack (Mark's Rack, Nitto mini- front rack) without a decauler but it didn't seem entirely steady. The bag's construction seemed cheap and it was too small. I think it's even smaller than the Acorn rando bag. The area where you put a cue sheet is rather small and so if you used it for a brevet, depending on the number of cues, you might find yourself having to adjust the cue sheet frequently. Also it's not that tall so if it's going on a big bike, say 60cm frame, it looks kind of odd and isn't as easy to access. Overall the bag just seems to miss the boat.Still, the bag is inexpensive. It is, after all, meant to be a small bag. Not everyone likes a bag the size of the GB28 or has use for something with that much capacity. If you're looking for a bag to use for randonneuring just bite the bullet and get a Berthoud HB bag through the Rene Herse online store. The guy who runs it, Mike Kone, is super nice and helpful. You can also get Berthoud bags from Peter White, who has been selling them far longer than Mike Kone's had the Rene Herse name. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?
Thanks, Mike... No argument, the Berthoud is indeed THE bag to own (IMO), but still that's an awfully big bullet to bite just for a handlebar bag (to a non-randonneur like me). I already have a nice Zimbale 11-litre saddlebag to hold stuff I don't need to access while pedalling, so a smaller bag up front is actually OK with me. (When I gather up the stones to do my first brevet, that may be a different story.) The fact that the VO is at least available to me is a big plus; remembering to schedule time near the first of the month to get in line for an Acorn bag (AND paying $175), or waiting and waiting for the Ostrich HB bags to become available...I just haven't the patience. I want a bag now, not in a month or 2 (if I'm lucky)... So I'll go with the (less expensive and available) VO now, thanks... just the same let me know if you ever want to sell your Berthoud on the cheap :)... And I'll share my honest impressions of the VO bag with this forum. It's funny... back in college in the late 70s I owned a nice TA-style canvas handlebar bag (a knockoff I am sure), and after catching so much grief from my friends with sleek nylon handlebar bags, I actually developed a disdain for my big clunky, and obviously unstylish TA bag... But then again, I rode with a Skid-Lid back then, so what the hell did I know? I guess karma must be catching up with me; after casting that old handlebar bag aside (that I would today give my right arm for), it seems only fitting that today I would probably have to pay more than the original cost for the privilege of owning such a thing of beauty... Peace, BB On Oct 14, 9:45 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: A friend of mine has one and loaned it to me for a few days. I didn't like it. You can mount it on a front rack (Mark's Rack, Nitto mini- front rack) without a decauler but it didn't seem entirely steady. The bag's construction seemed cheap and it was too small. I think it's even smaller than the Acorn rando bag. The area where you put a cue sheet is rather small and so if you used it for a brevet, depending on the number of cues, you might find yourself having to adjust the cue sheet frequently. Also it's not that tall so if it's going on a big bike, say 60cm frame, it looks kind of odd and isn't as easy to access. Overall the bag just seems to miss the boat.Still, the bag is inexpensive. If you're looking for a bag to use for randonneuring just bite the bullet and get a Berthoud HB bag through the Rene Herse online store. The guy who runs it, Mike Kone, is super nice and helpful. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Headlands Ride Report - Now Tam
on 10/13/10 10:09 AM, James Warren at jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I had a great Atlantis ride up Railroad Grade on Mt. Tam in Marin County the day after the Rivendell garage sale. I used Marathon Extremes, knobby 40ers. On the say down, Hoo Koo E Koo was good, but then on Blithedale Ridge heading down back toward Mill Valley, I chickened out a few times and walked the bike down the steep stuff. I probably would have done the same on my MB-4 with two inch knobbies, probably would have done the same on a full sus bike. The upper part of Blithedale Ridge (from where it connects with HKEK) has a couple of spots which are just about the steepest sections of roads on the mountain. This time of year, it's dry, dusty and very loose. There are a couple spots where if you did go off piste, you'd have a while to think about what you did before you started hitting stuff. Nothing wrong with discretion! -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Maybe a bike, once discarded, pines away year after year for the first hand that steered it, and as it grows old it dreams, in its bike way, of the young roads. -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why I like you guys part deuce
on 10/13/10 9:30 AM, Philip Williamson at philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I love the tone of this group. Here are some reasons I think it's fairly civil. Historical traditions. The silverbacks are graduates of the iBOB list, which used to be relatively polite. Haven't read it in a while, but when I did, it was the calm end of the pool. The original Riv-backed list was shut down when Grant deemed the discourse too uncivil, and I think Jim shut this list down for a couple weeks one February when everyone got itchy and mean. Didn't actually shut it down, but rather floated (a few times) the idea of doing so (or taking a self-enforced vow of silence...) during the period of pre-spring thaw, where folks on lists in general tend to get cabin fever and otherwise very rational people start getting cranky. For a literary reference, there's a short story by Jack London called The Kilkenny Cats. But, everyone here has remained mindful of those tendancies, making a list-pause unecessary. Thanks again. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Then I sat up, wiped the water out of my eyes, and looked at my bike, and just like that I knew it was dead -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Headlands Ride Report - Now Tam
This has been an interesting thread. Just last weekend I rode my Bleriot on a long single-track in the Sierra. I can count on one hand the number of times I have ridden a single-track trail, and my technique is certainly begging. Anyway, I did OK, but in particularly rocky sections (boulders, not gravel) my front wheel kept coming off the surface when I was climbing, and that always threw me off-balance, especially going around trees. I always made a point of falling off uphill, not over the trail rim. I had that much sense. I tried standing and leaning over the bars, but that was a cumbersome position, and I felt more in control sitting. There were many sections of this trail (8.5 miles long) where I did more walking than riding. I trust that is the discretion to which Jim refers! I was using the Bleriot, jitensha straight bars, and Fatty Rumkins. Like I said, steep pitches or going over boulders up-grade and my front wheel kept popping off the surface. Aside from my novice technique, would a better cockpit help me out more? Or, is the Bleriot just not the best bike for this stuff? From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 9:06:00 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Headlands Ride Report - Now Tam on 10/13/10 10:09 AM, James Warren at jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I had a great Atlantis ride up Railroad Grade on Mt. Tam in Marin County the day after the Rivendell garage sale. I used Marathon Extremes, knobby 40ers. On the say down, Hoo Koo E Koo was good, but then on Blithedale Ridge heading down back toward Mill Valley, I chickened out a few times and walked the bike down the steep stuff. I probably would have done the same on my MB-4 with two inch knobbies, probably would have done the same on a full sus bike. The upper part of Blithedale Ridge (from where it connects with HKEK) has a couple of spots which are just about the steepest sections of roads on the mountain. This time of year, it's dry, dusty and very loose. There are a couple spots where if you did go off piste, you'd have a while to think about what you did before you started hitting stuff. Nothing wrong with discretion! -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Maybe a bike, once discarded, pines away year after year for the first hand that steered it, and as it grows old it dreams, in its bike way, of the young roads. -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 08:38 -0700, Montclair BobbyB wrote: It's funny... back in college in the late 70s I owned a nice TA-style canvas handlebar bag (a knockoff I am sure), and after catching so much grief from my friends with sleek nylon handlebar bags, I actually developed a disdain for my big clunky, and obviously unstylish TA bag... But then again, I rode with a Skid-Lid back then, so what the hell did I know? I guess karma must be catching up with me; after casting that old handlebar bag aside (that I would today give my right arm for), it seems only fitting that today I would probably have to pay more than the original cost for the privilege of owning such a thing of beauty... What's /really/ funny is how much better the old style canvas bags perform than the sleek nylon bags, especially when it comes to keeping out the water. I've had my two Berthoud bags out in many hours long driving rain, and the interior of the the bags have always stayed completely dry. I also have a Kirtland Tour Pack nlyon handlebar bag, and it has no water resistance whatever. (Of course, the interior coating dried out and peeled off like a nasty sunburn, which is typical for old Kirtland stuff.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] new wool goods
My SO just sent this along to me and I think it has a number of rbw-relatedness: http://www.ramblersway.com/ - domestic wool - from Rambouillet sheep, in fact - domestic production - and of course it's wool. So you could wear all rambouillet ON your rambouillet. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new wool goods
I like one thing about it already: relaxed fit XXL! Price is another matter... Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Oct 14, 11:58 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: My SO just sent this along to me and I think it has a number of rbw-relatedness: http://www.ramblersway.com/ - domestic wool - from Rambouillet sheep, in fact - domestic production - and of course it's wool. So you could wear all rambouillet ON your rambouillet. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: new wool goods
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: I like one thing about it already: relaxed fit XXL! Price is another matter... Prices seem comparable to ibex, for example. No idea on quality or durability. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?
I have been using one for the past year. The one nit I have to pick with it is that the VO bag is not tall enough. It sits nicley on my Nitto rack, but there is no way that I can get it to work with a decaleur. I have a 15cm head tube, and no matter how I mount or bend the decaleur, the prongs will not fit. It simply lifts the bag off the rack. As a result, I've taken to reversing the prongs and using the decaleur for just a bit of stability. Rubber bands or ties from the side loops to the handlebars also help. Other than the fit issue, the bag suits my purposes, is fairly well made, and the price can't be beat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report - Now Tam
Hey Ray - you might benefit from a longer stem, or shifting your weight wwaay up on the saddle nose, or riding a knobbier/softer tire. Sounds like fun, it's been years since I've been up in the Sierra. Big granite is a blast. My2cents, Phil B Anyway, I did OK, but in particularly rocky sections (boulders, not gravel) my front wheel kept coming off the surface when I was climbing, I was using the Bleriot, jitensha straight bars, and Fatty Rumkins. Like I said, steep pitches or going over boulders up-grade and my front wheel kept popping off the surface. Aside from my novice technique, would a better cockpit help me out more? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new wool goods
I gotta say, I like the cross shirts with the V neck instead of the common choker collar. . . . and that they have Tall sizes! I gave up on wool for these two reasons. Yeah, the prices are way up there .. but I've spent money on much worse things . The stitching appears to be properly good. from the zooms. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Renaissanced Bicycle Google Group
Bryan: BRAVO!!! My friends and I affectionately refer to the practice of taking a bike and repurposing it, typically for a use slightly different than its original purpose as mutating a bike... I personally prefer the term undergoing a renaissance and will educate my mutant friends accordingly. I have a few of these projects in my past present and future, for which I would love to contribute to this effort. THANKS! There is certainly no shortage of renaissance genius on this forum... Peace, BB On Oct 14, 10:11 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: While Riv-ish pursuits occupy a lot of our time at Renaissance Bicycles, we are also interested in tinkering with and upgrading classic bikes. Anything from 650B conversions to reviving old Raleigh 3-speeds. These bikes may not always be the most desirable bikes to the masses (just like Rivendells), we see the untapped potential in vintage beater forgotten by others. And based on the number of questions we receive regarding how-to's, we suspect there are enough interested renaissancers out there to provide a proper community. Hence, we have created the Renaissanced Bicycle Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/renaissanced-bicycle-group This group is not intended for just our customers, but rather for anyone interested in reviving a classic bike with modern components. In other words, it is a place for comradery, assistance, and a shared interest in reviving classic bicycles. Likewise, it is not intended or restricted to one type / category / model of bicycle -- everyone and everything is welcome. Visit, join, contribute. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?
Maybe the need for some type of rack-riser franken-mount is in order... hmmm... On Oct 14, 11:34 am, LBleriot gary.sch...@att.net wrote: I have been using one for the past year. The one nit I have to pick with it is that the VO bag is not tall enough. It sits nicley on my Nitto rack, but there is no way that I can get it to work with a decaleur. I have a 15cm head tube, and no matter how I mount or bend the decaleur, the prongs will not fit. It simply lifts the bag off the rack. As a result, I've taken to reversing the prongs and using the decaleur for just a bit of stability. Rubber bands or ties from the side loops to the handlebars also help. Other than the fit issue, the bag suits my purposes, is fairly well made, and the price can't be beat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?
I sold mine shortly after buying it. The canvas was thin and didn't look up to the abuse I dish. The leather was also not super thick and the stitching didn't look great. It also wasn't tall enough for my bike either. It is a nice size for a front bag. The price seems good, until you factor in the additional stuff needed to run it properly-- rack, decaleur, extras if you want to swap bikes with it. I am way happier with my acorn hobo that I've had for years now. Gone on a bunch of long tours with it and can't complain. I'd go with the brand v boxy or bar tube if you already have a saddlebag. Keep a woolie and some food and maybe a camera up front. Also, I like zippers better than elastic straps when on the move. Whatever, just an opinion. Scott On Oct 14, 10:34 am, LBleriot gary.sch...@att.net wrote: I have been using one for the past year. The one nit I have to pick with it is that the VO bag is not tall enough. It sits nicley on my Nitto rack, but there is no way that I can get it to work with a decaleur. I have a 15cm head tube, and no matter how I mount or bend the decaleur, the prongs will not fit. It simply lifts the bag off the rack. As a result, I've taken to reversing the prongs and using the decaleur for just a bit of stability. Rubber bands or ties from the side loops to the handlebars also help. Other than the fit issue, the bag suits my purposes, is fairly well made, and the price can't be beat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
On Oct 14, 9:19 am, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: I've had excellent luck with the Challenge Grifo XS tires - the low profile tread grips well and they VERY speedy when mixed terrain returns to pavement. These feel quite cushy for 32mm tire - worth the $$$ IMO. I run the tubular version of these for cx. sweet tire for mixed terrain - like frickin' velcro at low pressure (I run mine at about 25-30psi). rubber is very soft though - wouldn't recommend them if lots of pavement is involved. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?
A smaller HB bag holds less stuff, which is fine for shorter rides or smaller people. Certainly not everyone needs a GB 28 but if you're gonna go to the trouble of mounting a bag on a front rack and using a decauler you might as well get something that's proportional to your bike. Perhaps the VO bag is a good size for the OP's bike. I like that GB makes 3 sizes of bags. They also make a Klick Fit model that doesn't require a front rack although it does mount the bag higher up as it attachs to the handlebars. Carradice has a similar version. Yes, Peter White does sell GB products, as does Wallbike. I'm not sure if Harris Cyclery does anymore, they used to. The other vendors are fine, Mike Kone was just exceptionally friendly and easy to work with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report - Now Tam
You might be right, Phil, about the stem. The stem is short. Also, the bars are level with the seat. I wonder if lowering them a bit would have helped? From: Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 11:07:20 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report - Now Tam Hey Ray - you might benefit from a longer stem, or shifting your weight wwaay up on the saddle nose, or riding a knobbier/softer tire. Sounds like fun, it's been years since I've been up in the Sierra. Big granite is a blast. My2cents, Phil B Anyway, I did OK, but in particularly rocky sections (boulders, not gravel) my front wheel kept coming off the surface when I was climbing, I was using the Bleriot, jitensha straight bars, and Fatty Rumkins. Like I said, steep pitches or going over boulders up-grade and my front wheel kept popping off the surface. Aside from my novice technique, would a better cockpit help me out more? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
Just curious how the RBW bunch approaches tire wear. I can only guess that we cover all corners of the spectrum. I view Rivendell's as long lasting, practical, bicycles that we don't have to spend a ton of money to maintain...so why replace the tires as the first sign of wear. I have literally seen people buy a pair of $50 road tires immediately prior to a club bike ride because they thought one tire was bad (it seemed obvious to me that the tube was twisted leading to the bump in the tire). I, on the other hand, run the tires (on my Rivendell's) down until the tube blows through the cords of a totally worn out Pasela. This behavior is inspired by: 1. A Scottish father...love ya Dad! 2. Reading a story entitled The Tire War in a bicycle magazine many years ago. The group I rode MTBs with was always creating new contests...a tire war fit the bill perfectly. We all purchased new tires at the same time and whoever rode the longest (by calendar not miles) on the tires won. At first it was all good funand then the knobs started wearing down. I became adept at sliding a MTB around the loose CA trails, sewing and booting cuts in the side wall, avoiding riding on pavement and jumping off the bike when traction had left me in a bad situation. I spun out the bike once...the back end got loose and as I corrected the slide the rotation never stopped...I left the trail going backwards! After a couple of us ended up with stitches from sliding over rocks due to the previously mentioned total lack of traction, the contest was abandoned. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea after all. Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Just curious how the RBW bunch approaches tire wear. I can only guess that we cover all corners of the spectrum. I view Rivendell's as long lasting, practical, bicycles that we don't have to spend a ton of money to maintain...so why replace the tires as the first sign of wear. I have literally seen people buy a pair of $50 road tires immediately prior to a club bike ride because they thought one tire was bad (it seemed obvious to me that the tube was twisted leading to the bump in the tire). Maybe another interesting question: How many people buying a particular type of tire does it take before you hit the bulk-discount price? For example - if I love the pasela panaracers and maybe the jack brown greens- how many do I need to buy before I see a discount on them. if I know I'm going to go through N of them in the next few years - how many other people do I need to go in on the purchase of them to see a price difference. inquiring minds want to know. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Getting Ready for Winter
David, I tried Moustache bars but never got used to them. I was allways wishing for drop bars. That's what makes this all so interesting...different things work best for different people. Angus On Oct 10, 2:07 pm, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote: I am gradually getting my Quickbeam ready for winter. I wanted a handlebar that is a bit more upright than my Noodles (which I really like.) I tried a “riser” bar, but couldn’t get the bar far enough forward. Even with a 13 cm X 90 degree stem, it still felt too cramped. So I got a Moustache. To summarize, this bar is a blast. It is better than the Noodle for rough terrain. It can’t replace the Noodle for long rides on smooth roads. But it provides a secure hold for riding over grass, dirt, broken pavement etc. It is better than a “riser” bar for riding on pavement and in mixed terrain, in my opinion. The wrists are in a more neutral position. Your hands are farther forward, so it provides a powerful pulling position, which is good on a single speed. Anyway, I am having fun with this bar. I am fitting up the bike with studded tires, but that can wait until the weather gets really bad. Then we will see how it does on snow and ice. Here are some pictures from today. We saw a wild turkey and two young ones; we made sure to approach them in a non-threatening manner, as today is Thanksgiving in Canada. http://www.flickr.com/photos/51518...@n06/sets/72157625133245356/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
On Oct 14, 7:22 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe another interesting question: How many people buying a particular type of tire does it take before you hit the bulk-discount price? At least for the Grand Bois, Bicycle Quarterly is offering about 10% off if one purchases 4 or more. Or perhaps you're thinking of a discount greater than that, like a group buy where a group purchases directly from the manufacturer. The logistics of coordinating such an event is fairly substantial and may outweigh the savings such an event provides. With tires, the magic number may be around 100. I'm basing this on a remark from Jan Heine when Kirk Pacenti was introducing the Pari-Moto. Jan postulated that Kirk would be close to break-even (for mold cost) at 200 tires so 100 seems like a good number* if the tire manufacturer amortizes the startup costs over thousands of tires. If the number of participants is decreased to reduce the logistical requirement, then each participant may need to buy a whole lot...certainly more than what normal people would need, especially if the tires concerned are high-mileage kinds. Even a moderate- mileage bike nut like myself would think long and hard at 20 units of high-performance/low-mileage Grand Bois Cypress 700x30, but I may consider it if it's 10 units (hint!). Cheers, B * This is, of course, a WAG. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
Tires have a shelf life. I wouldn't get too many years ahead of myself. My guess is any discount would be on identical tires or perhaps a mix of sizes of the same tire. On the Riv rides I've been on, everyone has their own idea of the best tire, with little agreement. Now, if we could just get 100 people to agree to all buy Schwalbe Marathon Supremes, we'dprobably clean out all the stock in North America. dougP On Oct 14, 8:41 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 14, 7:22 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe another interesting question: How many people buying a particular type of tire does it take before you hit the bulk-discount price? At least for the Grand Bois, Bicycle Quarterly is offering about 10% off if one purchases 4 or more. Or perhaps you're thinking of a discount greater than that, like a group buy where a group purchases directly from the manufacturer. The logistics of coordinating such an event is fairly substantial and may outweigh the savings such an event provides. With tires, the magic number may be around 100. I'm basing this on a remark from Jan Heine when Kirk Pacenti was introducing the Pari-Moto. Jan postulated that Kirk would be close to break-even (for mold cost) at 200 tires so 100 seems like a good number* if the tire manufacturer amortizes the startup costs over thousands of tires. If the number of participants is decreased to reduce the logistical requirement, then each participant may need to buy a whole lot...certainly more than what normal people would need, especially if the tires concerned are high-mileage kinds. Even a moderate- mileage bike nut like myself would think long and hard at 20 units of high-performance/low-mileage Grand Bois Cypress 700x30, but I may consider it if it's 10 units (hint!). Cheers, B * This is, of course, a WAG. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv'sh Parts Garage Sale...
All sold...Thanks to all who responded. On Oct 12, 2:13 pm, EdM eman1...@optonline.net wrote: Thanks a bunch. Here's the revised version for distribution. Thanks again. Hi Folks, That time of the year to clean house and offer part/components/ clothing to fellow Rivendell lovers. All pricing include shipping to CONUS. Pictures upon request. -Brooks B66 - Black, no marks, great shape $70 -Paul Stoplights Cantilever Brakeset - Front/Rear, Black, Peace Sign brake hangers (very cool), KoolStop salmon pads $60 -Wool Clothing Collection - 3 in total. Med-Lrg. S/S Blue ItalySantini, S/S Bianchi Celeste with White Chest Panel, S/S Yellow Cycles Wolf Red Chest Panel. Will throw in wool Kucharik shorts and wool Sergal Winter Pants. All in good-excellent condition, hardly used $125 -Cook Brothers Road Crankset - 130 BCD with 48/38 rings $50 -Cane Creek 27.2 Thudbuster L/T seatpost - used once, takes the edge of your hardtail. Don't have a frame to use it on $75 -Mustache H/B Cockpit - Mungo 26.0 bars, Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifters, Nude Drilled Modolo non-aero brake levers. Had this setup on a previous project but converted to drop bars and D/T shifters - $85 PEACE. EdM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] wtb: Nigel Smythe country bag
If anyone out there wants to part w/ their Nigel Smythe country bag, I'm your man! Interested in a non-tweed version. They made those, correct? Thanks! - Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] free: Riv Wool Stubby hats
I have (2) two, new Riv Wool Stubby hats. Free to a good home. I'd appreciate some change me change for postage. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] free: Riv Wool Stubby hats
Can I claim one?! Redding Dave On 10/14/2010 3:57 PM, Eric wrote: I have (2) two, new Riv Wool Stubby hats. Free to a good home. I'd appreciate some change me change for postage. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report - Now Tam
on 10/14/10 6:32 PM, Ray Shine at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: You might be right, Phil, about the stem. The stem is short. Also, the bars are level with the seat. I wonder if lowering them a bit would have helped? On super steep climbs, you can actually stay stuck by pulling down on the bars. The trick is to bend your elbows so they are beneath the level of the bars, then concentrate on pulling down with your elbows towards the ground. It's kind of hard to envision, but when you're riding, it makes sense. There's also the essential skill of learning the pounce position - moving forward when you come off the saddle and curling your body as much as you can. You look a bit ike a cat about to pounce. You keep your butt back so the rear wheel stays stuck, but you are over the bars to keep them tacked down. Takes a little practice. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
