date:20110115

On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 07:43 -0500, Robert Zeidler wrote:
 I've had a pretty good experience w/ the custom 9-sp cassette by Harris also. 
 

Which?  Harris has quite a few.  I have the 13-30 Century Special on
several bikes.  For me, it's the perfect range.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 02:30 -0800, charlie wrote:
 I've been flirting with the idea also. Right now I am using a 44x32x22
 and 7 speed 12-32 but wondered if a really low, low might be handy.

Last time I looked, a 22 front 32 rear already gave a really low low
(18.6).  Going to a 36T would bring that down to 16.  

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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

I also drive a Honda Element, specifically purchased because I can get
my bikes inside.  I remove the front wheel and get the 64cm Ram
vertically inside The Toaster.

I fold up one rear seat when carrying a bike and can use the 2nd rear
seat as a changing room if necessary.  The rubber/plastic floor is
easy to clean up.

I don't find the Element particularly comfortable, but it's good
enough, has plenty of leg/head room and is very versatile.

Angus

On Jan 15, 6:01 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is the second suggestion for the Element. You find plenty of front seat 
 comfort too.
 Thanks for your insight (no pun).
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: j4gitr jstoes...@comcast.net

 Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:52:24
 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
  hauling your bike?

 I'm driving a Honda Element. I put my 68 cm Waterford Adventure Cycle
 inside. I have toted it with another bike and our gear for Ragbrai and
 the Katy trail with my 6'4 280# cousin next to me in the front seat.
 It's been one of the greatest most versatile vehicles I have ever
 owned. I'm 6'6 99PBH. Long legs and I fit comfortably. I've been
 driving it for 4 years now.

 On Jan 13, 5:02 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
  like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
  theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
  a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
  slide the wheel in next to it

  Anyway, what is everybody else doing?

  RGZ

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[RBW] Re: WTT for a Nitto Campee lowrider front rack

Roger,

The current Nitto Campee front rack with removable low riders is a
different design than the Nitto front rack with removable low riders I
got from Rivendell a long time ago.

On mine it was basically a small front rack, the vertical side parts
that connected to the fork end eyelets were removable and the low
riders were removable.  I added two small tabs to make it fit the
front fork of my All-Rounder (rack didn't align with the fork end
eyelets).

I found the rack that I have to be quite flexible with a front load,
the current Front Campee looks much better.

Angus


On Jan 14, 12:07 pm, Roger rogerdhod...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 I'm hoping someone has a Nitto Campee front rack with the detachable
 low riders that they could part with, like were sold early on by Riv
 and more recently by a few shops like Ben's and Box Dog. If the
 elusive Campee didn't materialize, I'd also be open to discuss other
 lowrider front racks.

 I have several things in trade that may be of interest, and a cash
 infusion could be used to even out a trade as well. For consideration,
 I have:

 - Nitto Rear Rack - the earlier style without the perhaps unnecessary
 triangulating gussets
 - Nitto Campee rear rack with the detachable low riders
 - Mark's Rack - this could come with or without a Wald Basket
 - Wald quicky-disconnect handlebar basket - Riv sold these a few years
 ago. They are humbler than the Nitto racks.
 - Carradice Camper - the green Riv-only version from around 1998 or
 so.
 - Carradice Limpet integrated front pannier/rack system - especially
 made for frames that don't easily take a rack

 All have light to medium use. If there is any interest, it would give
 me the impetus to finally get some images into my Flickr account.

 Thanks,
 Roger

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

2011-01-15 Thread James Warren


This gets me thinking. I need to set up a bike with a 20 tooth granny gear, and 
the 12-36 in the rear! 15. Now we're talking.


On Jan 15, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 02:30 -0800, charlie wrote:
 I've been flirting with the idea also. Right now I am using a 44x32x22
 and 7 speed 12-32 but wondered if a really low, low might be handy.
 
 Last time I looked, a 22 front 32 rear already gave a really low low
 (18.6).  Going to a 36T would bring that down to 16.  
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-15 Thread Thomas Nezovich

I have a Honda Element too and I think it is ideal for a bike and gear carrier. 
 I use fork holders mounted on pieces of old Trex decking to lower the bikes to 
make easy entrance to rear hatch.  As an exercise I managed to fit four bikes 
alternating front ends and back ends but three is more practical (this is with 
both seats removed).
As to comfort,  I have made two trips to the mountains of Colorado from 
Cleveland with my element which were ok sitting in the front seat.  I made a 
trip to North Carolina with four guys in the car where I got to sit in the back 
which was annoying with the rear seat theater seating.  However, on all those 
trips the mpg was right around  30 mpg on the interstates.
On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Angus wrote:

 I also drive a Honda Element, specifically purchased because I can get
 my bikes inside.  I remove the front wheel and get the 64cm Ram
 vertically inside The Toaster.
 
 I fold up one rear seat when carrying a bike and can use the 2nd rear
 seat as a changing room if necessary.  The rubber/plastic floor is
 easy to clean up.
 
 I don't find the Element particularly comfortable, but it's good
 enough, has plenty of leg/head room and is very versatile.
 
 Angus
 
 On Jan 15, 6:01 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is the second suggestion for the Element. You find plenty of front seat 
 comfort too.
 Thanks for your insight (no pun).
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: j4gitr jstoes...@comcast.net
 
 Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:52:24
 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
  hauling your bike?
 
 I'm driving a Honda Element. I put my 68 cm Waterford Adventure Cycle
 inside. I have toted it with another bike and our gear for Ragbrai and
 the Katy trail with my 6'4 280# cousin next to me in the front seat.
 It's been one of the greatest most versatile vehicles I have ever
 owned. I'm 6'6 99PBH. Long legs and I fit comfortably. I've been
 driving it for 4 years now.
 
 On Jan 13, 5:02 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
 like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
 theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
 a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
 slide the wheel in next to it
 
 Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
 
 RGZ
 
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RE: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-15 Thread jim phillips





Do you guys not use the carriers that fit onto the back of the car? That is how 
I am transporting my Sam Hillborne (aka Crazy Horse). Is there a downside to 
that?

best,

JimP

 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle 
 forhauling your bike?
 From: t...@cox.net
 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:02:56 -0500
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 
 I have a Honda Element too and I think it is ideal for a bike and gear 
 carrier.  I use fork holders mounted on pieces of old Trex decking to lower 
 the bikes to make easy entrance to rear hatch.  As an exercise I managed to 
 fit four bikes alternating front ends and back ends but three is more 
 practical (this is with both seats removed).
 As to comfort,  I have made two trips to the mountains of Colorado from 
 Cleveland with my element which were ok sitting in the front seat.  I made a 
 trip to North Carolina with four guys in the car where I got to sit in the 
 back which was annoying with the rear seat theater seating.  However, on all 
 those trips the mpg was right around  30 mpg on the interstates.
 On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Angus wrote:
 
  I also drive a Honda Element, specifically purchased because I can get
  my bikes inside.  I remove the front wheel and get the 64cm Ram
  vertically inside The Toaster.
  
  I fold up one rear seat when carrying a bike and can use the 2nd rear
  seat as a changing room if necessary.  The rubber/plastic floor is
  easy to clean up.
  
  I don't find the Element particularly comfortable, but it's good
  enough, has plenty of leg/head room and is very versatile.
  
  Angus
  
  On Jan 15, 6:01 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is the second suggestion for the Element. You find plenty of front 
  seat comfort too.
  Thanks for your insight (no pun).
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
  
  -Original Message-
  From: j4gitr jstoes...@comcast.net
  
  Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:52:24
  To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for
   hauling your bike?
  
  I'm driving a Honda Element. I put my 68 cm Waterford Adventure Cycle
  inside. I have toted it with another bike and our gear for Ragbrai and
  the Katy trail with my 6'4 280# cousin next to me in the front seat.
  It's been one of the greatest most versatile vehicles I have ever
  owned. I'm 6'6 99PBH. Long legs and I fit comfortably. I've been
  driving it for 4 years now.
  
  On Jan 13, 5:02 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  Here's why I ask?  I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
  like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
  theft-prevention etc.  Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
  a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
  slide the wheel in next to it
  
  Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
  
  RGZ
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big 
Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My 
expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I 
get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's. 
 
So is it just me.. hmm... 
 
I like fast feeling and comfort   
 
Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never 
had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while 
friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy. 
 
Im 225 lbs..
JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front... 
 
Kelly

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[RBW] Re: free: Cateye bike light

2011-01-15 Thread Earl Grey

Hi,

not sure if my previous post made it. I am interested. Would you be
willing to ship to Thailand if I pay you actual postage?

Thanks,

Gernot


On Jan 8, 4:25 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a light that Rivendell used to sell.  Four AA battery, LED.  Not so
 bright compared to modern lights, but the price is right.  I have four
 mounts for it so you can move it between bikes.  It fell and the end cap got
 lost/internals knocked loose.  Kind of a pain to put batteries in, but once
 they're in it works 100% fine.

 $5 to cover shipping and it's yours.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5333598581/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5333599083/

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 *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
 probably benefit more from
 improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

2011-01-15 Thread Rene Sterental

You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
get home.

Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.

So is it just me.. hmm...

I like fast feeling and comfort

Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.

Im 225 lbs..
JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

2011-01-15 Thread Aaron Young

I'm using 700x28 TG Paselas and have no complaints.

Why the preference for wire bead though? According to the Panaracer site
the folding kevlar Paselas (280g )weigh less than the wire bead non-TG
versions (320g for 28mm sizes). The non-folding TG is listed as 340g.

If its not for weight then is the issue suppleness? Does the TG interfere
with suppleness? I thought the suppleness of the sidewall was what really
led to a great feeling tire.

-Aaron Young
Rochester, NY

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.comwrote:

You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
get home.

Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples. The Big
Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way. My
expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.

So is it just me.. hmm...

I like fast feeling and comfort

Note: the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
friends patched tubes. But they are heavy.

Im 225 lbs..
JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle forhauling your bike?

2011-01-15 Thread robert zeidler

Well, Jim, that was the initial concern.  I have a pick-up that is my
company work truck and have a bed rack in there.  So far so good.  But
it's when one wants to travel, and you are staying overnight, or you
stop for a bite to eat, or it's really raining.  These are pretty
nice bikes that can get crudded up pretty quickly, components aged
quickly and in the case of a Brooks, potentially ruined.  As I'm
ending up w/ more time to be able to wander around, I was just looking
for the type of vehicle described here and depending on the generosity
of this group to relay their experiences.

So far that's 3 for the Element.  It ain't the sportiest thing out
there to be sure but it does make sense.

RGZ

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Do you guys not use the carriers that fit onto the back of the car? That is
 how I am transporting my Sam Hillborne (aka Crazy Horse). Is there a
 downside to that?

 best,

 JimP

 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best
 vehicle forhauling your bike?
 From: t...@cox.net
 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:02:56 -0500
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 I have a Honda Element too and I think it is ideal for a bike and gear
 carrier. I use fork holders mounted on pieces of old Trex decking to lower
 the bikes to make easy entrance to rear hatch. As an exercise I managed to
 fit four bikes alternating front ends and back ends but three is more
 practical (this is with both seats removed).
 As to comfort, I have made two trips to the mountains of Colorado from
 Cleveland with my element which were ok sitting in the front seat. I made a
 trip to North Carolina with four guys in the car where I got to sit in the
 back which was annoying with the rear seat theater seating. However, on all
 those trips the mpg was right around 30 mpg on the interstates.
 On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Angus wrote:

  I also drive a Honda Element, specifically purchased because I can get
  my bikes inside. I remove the front wheel and get the 64cm Ram
  vertically inside The Toaster.
 
  I fold up one rear seat when carrying a bike and can use the 2nd rear
  seat as a changing room if necessary. The rubber/plastic floor is
  easy to clean up.
 
  I don't find the Element particularly comfortable, but it's good
  enough, has plenty of leg/head room and is very versatile.
 
  Angus
 
  On Jan 15, 6:01 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is the second suggestion for the Element. You find plenty of front
  seat comfort too.
  Thanks for your insight (no pun).
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
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  Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle
  for
  hauling your bike?
 
  I'm driving a Honda Element. I put my 68 cm Waterford Adventure Cycle
  inside. I have toted it with another bike and our gear for Ragbrai and
  the Katy trail with my 6'4 280# cousin next to me in the front seat.
  It's been one of the greatest most versatile vehicles I have ever
  owned. I'm 6'6 99PBH. Long legs and I fit comfortably. I've been
  driving it for 4 years now.
 
  On Jan 13, 5:02 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  Here's why I ask? I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
  like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
  theft-prevention etc. Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
  a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
  slide the wheel in next to it
 
  Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
 
  RGZ
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

2011-01-15 Thread robert zeidler

...and you can climb a fully-loaded bike up a 72 deg incline...

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:14 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:

 This gets me thinking. I need to set up a bike with a 20 tooth granny gear, 
 and the 12-36 in the rear! 15. Now we're talking.


 On Jan 15, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 02:30 -0800, charlie wrote:
 I've been flirting with the idea also. Right now I am using a 44x32x22
 and 7 speed 12-32 but wondered if a really low, low might be handy.

 Last time I looked, a 22 front 32 rear already gave a really low low
 (18.6).  Going to a 36T would bring that down to 16.

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[RBW] Re: Flying with your bike

2011-01-15 Thread lauren

I just flew with my bike. i packed the frame, handlebars and one wheel
in the frame box it had come in (used the riv video on youtube as a
guide) and packed the other wheel, seat, etc in another big box I
found. Southwest lets you bring two bags under 50lbs and under 60in
total dimensions (L+W+H) for free. Larger boxes and third items are
$50. So I was able to bring a luggage bag, wheel box, frame box for
$50.


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 Has anyone flown with your Riv before?  What did you pack it?  How
 much did it cost, etc?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

2011-01-15 Thread Jon Grant

Make it at least four for the Element. It¹s not sporty in the least. We
bought it because it¹s light for its size, its rugged interior can be
configured variously, and because it can haul bicycles standing up with
wheels on ‹ at least as tall as my 60.5 cm Rivendell custom. We can put
three people and three bikes inside the car if we remove a back seat. It has
only four seats though, so now that we have twins, the bikes ride on a
hitch-mounted rack out back. Ironic, huh?

Also, please note that Honda has announced the end of production for this
model, and probably won¹t support it as long as I plan to keep it ‹ which is
approximately for the rest of my life. Ours has been very reliable ‹ no
repairs outside normal maintenance for 50k miles now.

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From: robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com
Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:55:34 -0500
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle
forhauling your bike?

Well, Jim, that was the initial concern.  I have a pick-up that is my
company work truck and have a bed rack in there.  So far so good.  But
it's when one wants to travel, and you are staying overnight, or you
stop for a bite to eat, or it's really raining.  These are pretty
nice bikes that can get crudded up pretty quickly, components aged
quickly and in the case of a Brooks, potentially ruined.  As I'm
ending up w/ more time to be able to wander around, I was just looking
for the type of vehicle described here and depending on the generosity
of this group to relay their experiences.

So far that's 3 for the Element.  It ain't the sportiest thing out
there to be sure but it does make sense.

RGZ

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Do you guys not use the carriers that fit onto the back of the car? That is
 how I am transporting my Sam Hillborne (aka Crazy Horse). Is there a
 downside to that?

 best,

 JimP

 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best
 vehicle forhauling your bike?
 From: t...@cox.net
 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:02:56 -0500
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 I have a Honda Element too and I think it is ideal for a bike and gear
 carrier. I use fork holders mounted on pieces of old Trex decking to lower
 the bikes to make easy entrance to rear hatch. As an exercise I managed to
 fit four bikes alternating front ends and back ends but three is more
 practical (this is with both seats removed).
 As to comfort, I have made two trips to the mountains of Colorado from
 Cleveland with my element which were ok sitting in the front seat. I made a
 trip to North Carolina with four guys in the car where I got to sit in the
 back which was annoying with the rear seat theater seating. However, on all
 those trips the mpg was right around 30 mpg on the interstates.
 On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Angus wrote:

  I also drive a Honda Element, specifically purchased because I can get
  my bikes inside. I remove the front wheel and get the 64cm Ram
  vertically inside The Toaster.
 
  I fold up one rear seat when carrying a bike and can use the 2nd rear
  seat as a changing room if necessary. The rubber/plastic floor is
  easy to clean up.
 
  I don't find the Element particularly comfortable, but it's good
  enough, has plenty of leg/head room and is very versatile.
 
  Angus
 
  On Jan 15, 6:01 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is the second suggestion for the Element. You find plenty of front
  seat comfort too.
  Thanks for your insight (no pun).
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
  -Original Message-
  From: j4gitr jstoes...@comcast.net
 
  Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:52:24
  To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle
  for
  hauling your bike?
 
  I'm driving a Honda Element. I put my 68 cm Waterford Adventure Cycle
  inside. I have toted it with another bike and our gear for Ragbrai and
  the Katy trail with my 6'4 280# cousin next to me in the front seat.
  It's been one of the greatest most versatile vehicles I have ever
  owned. I'm 6'6 99PBH. Long legs and I fit comfortably. I've been
  driving it for 4 years now.
 
  On Jan 13, 5:02 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  Here's why I ask? I'm thinking about some new (4) wheels, and would
  like to be able to keep the bike inside at times in the event of rain,
  theft-prevention etc. Thinking of maybe outfitting a Jeep Wrangler w/
  a floor-mounted fork mount-just back the bike in, tighten the QR,
  slide the wheel in next to it
 
  Anyway, what is everybody else doing?
 
  RGZ
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is thebestvehicleforhauling your bike?

2011-01-15 Thread CycloFiend

on 1/14/11 1:02 PM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Well it kind of is, we're discussing a vehicle of choice and the merits of
 each w/ some practicality thrown in and the reaction to each. It's a flea on a
 flea as far as discussions go and there hasn't been one negative utterance
 yet. Why would anyone get mad?

I think it's one of those quirks of the webbernet.  Over the years,
auto-trending threads in bicycle forums and groups seem to get folks riled
up. 

And while I do understand the specific intent of the thread was to address
clearance issues in the motorized transport of larger-framed Rivendells (the
tone and topic of which has been nicely maintained in this thread), having
it morph into a general discussion of good/bad autos would be OT.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is thebestvehicleforhauling your bike?

2011-01-15 Thread robert zeidler

A million apologies to all.  It is kind of on-topic because tall folks
can't just throw their bikes in anything, and Riv does make a lot of
bigger sizes.  But it is your list and so I respect what you say.

RGZ

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 1/14/11 1:02 PM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Well it kind of is, we're discussing a vehicle of choice and the merits of
 each w/ some practicality thrown in and the reaction to each. It's a flea on 
 a
 flea as far as discussions go and there hasn't been one negative utterance
 yet. Why would anyone get mad?

 I think it's one of those quirks of the webbernet.  Over the years,
 auto-trending threads in bicycle forums and groups seem to get folks riled
 up.

 And while I do understand the specific intent of the thread was to address
 clearance issues in the motorized transport of larger-framed Rivendells (the
 tone and topic of which has been nicely maintained in this thread), having
 it morph into a general discussion of good/bad autos would be OT.

 - Jim / list admin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is thebestvehicleforhauling your bike?

2011-01-15 Thread CycloFiend

on 1/15/11 9:21 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:

 A million apologies to all.  It is kind of on-topic because tall folks
 can't just throw their bikes in anything, and Riv does make a lot of
 bigger sizes.  But it is your list and so I respect what you say.

I thought we were an autonomous collective...

;^)

Just to clarify my hastily typed point -
I do think this thread has remained within the topic of our group, insofar
as it _was_ about Rivs rather than cars.

As a parrallel point, it speaks highly of this group that requests to temper
the thread were met with positive responses.  As I've said, it's an
imperfect boundry, and depends upon context, tone and the willingness to
listen to other's points of view.

Thanks again!

- J

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Re: [RBW] Re: free: Cateye bike light

2011-01-15 Thread cyclotourist

Hey G, Tarik already claimed them, thanks!

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

not sure if my previous post made it. I am interested. Would you be
willing to ship to Thailand if I pay you actual postage?

Thanks,

Gernot

On Jan 8, 4:25 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a light that Rivendell used to sell. Four AA battery, LED. Not
so
bright compared to modern lights, but the price is right. I have four
mounts for it so you can move it between bikes. It fell and the end cap
got
lost/internals knocked loose. Kind of a pain to put batteries in, but
once
they're in it works 100% fine.

$5 to cover shipping and it's yours.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5333598581/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5333599083/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

2011-01-15 Thread cyclotourist

Look at the bottom of this group's page, it's available there:
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

So is it just me.. hmm...

I like fast feeling and comfort

Note: the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
friends patched tubes. But they are heavy.

Im 225 lbs..
JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...

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[RBW] Re: WTT for a Nitto Campee lowrider front rack

2011-01-15 Thread Roger

I looked through old Riv Readers and catalogs and found what I think
you're talking about on RR #8 page 24. It reminds me of the Rene Herse
front rack in the latest Bicycle Quarterly. I'm glad you shared your
thoughts on it, because while it sounds very cool, it wouldn't suit my
needs. Good advice! Thanks Angus.

What I didn't find is the line drawing my mind pictures so clearly of
a Riv add of the Campee with lowriders like I had meant. Maybe I just
have a faulty memory...

Anyway, you're right, the current design that several shops sell is
the one I had in mind, and really want.
A couple of people inquired off list about buying the rear racks, but
I'm really hoping someone will come forward with a front lowrider. I'm
holding off on selling the rear racks, but the Mark's rack, Wald or
the Carradice Camper could go to good homes. The Limpet can go once a
lowrider happens - it's perfectly functional in the meantime, but
ultimately not to my taste.

Since the Nitto lowrider hasn't materialized so far, I'd also be happy
to talk about other brands of front lowrider (Tubus, Jandd, Gordon,
etc). Preferably a trade, but for sale is open for discussion, too.

Roger

On Jan 15, 5:29 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Roger,

 The current Nitto Campee front rack with removable low riders is a
 different design than the Nitto front rack with removable low riders I
 got from Rivendell a long time ago.

 On mine it was basically a small front rack, the vertical side parts
 that connected to the fork end eyelets were removable and the low
 riders were removable.  I added two small tabs to make it fit the
 front fork of my All-Rounder (rack didn't align with the fork end
 eyelets).

 I found the rack that I have to be quite flexible with a front load,
 the current Front Campee looks much better.

 Angus

 On Jan 14, 12:07 pm, Roger rogerdhod...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all,
  I'm hoping someone has a Nitto Campee front rack with the detachable
  low riders that they could part with, like were sold early on by Riv
  and more recently by a few shops like Ben's and Box Dog. If the
  elusive Campee didn't materialize, I'd also be open to discuss other
  lowrider front racks.

  I have several things in trade that may be of interest, and a cash
  infusion could be used to even out a trade as well. For consideration,
  I have:

  - Nitto Rear Rack - the earlier style without the perhaps unnecessary
  triangulating gussets
  - Nitto Campee rear rack with the detachable low riders
  - Mark's Rack - this could come with or without a Wald Basket
  - Wald quicky-disconnect handlebar basket - Riv sold these a few years
  ago. They are humbler than the Nitto racks.
  - Carradice Camper - the green Riv-only version from around 1998 or
  so.
  - Carradice Limpet integrated front pannier/rack system - especially
  made for frames that don't easily take a rack

  All have light to medium use. If there is any interest, it would give
  me the impetus to finally get some images into my Flickr account.

  Thanks,
  Roger

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[RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

2011-01-15 Thread charlie

 If rested and on short rides I'd probably never use it but I carry a
full touring load all the time and in spite of my efforts to reduce
by riding, I only drop 20 pounds at the peak of the riding season.
Grants recent writing clued me into the compensation eating that I
know I do so I am trying some things different this year. Using lower
overall gearing has preserved my knees. I wonder if a Deore rear
derailleur will shift to the 36 tooth cog?

On Jan 15, 5:09 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 02:30 -0800, charlie wrote:
  I've been flirting with the idea also. Right now I am using a 44x32x22
  and 7 speed 12-32 but wondered if a really low, low might be handy.

 Last time I looked, a 22 front 32 rear already gave a really low low
 (18.6).  Going to a 36T would bring that down to 16.  

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[RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

2011-01-15 Thread Phil Bickford

I agree with Steve - you can only ride so slow.  Balance and steering
quirkiness was my experience with riding a 24x34 (18.3) up steep
stuff at around 4.25 MPH.  Charlie: if you are concerned with your
knees, as we all should after the age of ~55, the ole heel/toe gear
might be safer and besides it let's you stretch out those muscles in
the back of your legs.

Say - Patrick - I'm surprised to see you going for the lower end
gearing, particularly after your career of fixed riding.  How's that
Fargo project going?  What chainrings are you planning on using?

I never ride with much of a load so I doubt my present gearing is
relevant but 50-40-24 with a 12-23 in the rear works well for me
around, about and up most places in Sonoma County.

YMMV -
Phil B

On Jan 15, 11:47 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
  If rested and on short rides I'd probably never use it but I carry a
 full touring load all the time and in spite of my efforts to reduce
 by riding, I only drop 20 pounds at the peak of the riding season.
 Grants recent writing clued me into the compensation eating that I
 know I do so I am trying some things different this year. Using lower
 overall gearing has preserved my knees. I wonder if a Deore rear
 derailleur will shift to the 36 tooth cog?

 On Jan 15, 5:09 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

  On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 02:30 -0800, charlie wrote:
   I've been flirting with the idea also. Right now I am using a 44x32x22
   and 7 speed 12-32 but wondered if a really low, low might be handy.

  Last time I looked, a 22 front 32 rear already gave a really low low
  (18.6).  Going to a 36T would bring that down to 16.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

2011-01-15 Thread Ken Freeman

Are any of you regularly dealing with 12% grades? How is it?

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote:

I agree with Steve - you can only ride so slow. Balance and steering
quirkiness was my experience with riding a 24x34 (18.3) up steep
stuff at around 4.25 MPH. Charlie: if you are concerned with your
knees, as we all should after the age of ~55, the ole heel/toe gear
might be safer and besides it let's you stretch out those muscles in
the back of your legs.

Say - Patrick - I'm surprised to see you going for the lower end
gearing, particularly after your career of fixed riding. How's that
Fargo project going? What chainrings are you planning on using?

I never ride with much of a load so I doubt my present gearing is
relevant but 50-40-24 with a 12-23 in the rear works well for me
around, about and up most places in Sonoma County.

YMMV -
Phil B

On Jan 15, 11:47 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
If rested and on short rides I'd probably never use it but I carry a
full touring load all the time and in spite of my efforts to reduce
by riding, I only drop 20 pounds at the peak of the riding season.
Grants recent writing clued me into the compensation eating that I
know I do so I am trying some things different this year. Using lower
overall gearing has preserved my knees. I wonder if a Deore rear
derailleur will shift to the 36 tooth cog?

On Jan 15, 5:09 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 02:30 -0800, charlie wrote:
I've been flirting with the idea also. Right now I am using a
44x32x22
and 7 speed 12-32 but wondered if a really low, low might be handy.

Last time I looked, a 22 front 32 rear already gave a really low low
(18.6). Going to a 36T would bring that down to 16.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 16:48 -0500, Ken Freeman wrote:
 Are any of you regularly dealing with 12% grades?  How is it?

12% is fine with a 24x30, 700x32 wheel for me.  Not with a touring load,
of course.  I no longer tour with 40-50 lb in panniers, but I did back
in the 1990s with an 18 low on terrain that steep.  However, that was
the only time I used the 18.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

2011-01-15 Thread Ken Freeman

I'm expectin to be dragging my 180 # butt and 35# of bike plus day gear - no
overnight, it's a SAGged ride.  Noodling with numbers I think an 18 to 20
gear would let me spin at 4 to 5 mph, but that'll be at my peak power.  It's
said to be 1/2 mile, so that could take worst case 10 minutes.  Doesn't
sound like much, but I don't think I've ever done such a thing.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:59 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I believe I am as I live in the foothills of Mt. Rainier...I think
 if I only had a 40-50 pound load I would be fine with my present
 gearing. When I say touring load I mean around my middle...due
 to age, sedentary life, too many carbs, bad sleep habits, too much
 stress. Not giving up though.

 On Jan 15, 1:54 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 16:48 -0500, Ken Freeman wrote:
   Are any of you regularly dealing with 12% grades?  How is it?
 
  12% is fine with a 24x30, 700x32 wheel for me.  Not with a touring load,
  of course.  I no longer tour with 40-50 lb in panniers, but I did back
  in the 1990s with an 18 low on terrain that steep.  However, that was
  the only time I used the 18.

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[RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

2011-01-15 Thread Bill M.

I regularly see short pitches that hit 12%, and a couple of roads our
club rides during the summer hit 15 - 17%. On those rides I'm
generally riding my lightweight go-fast with a 34/29 low gear and no
more load than a couple of tubes and a Clif bar. Anything much past
10% is a bit of a slog, but manageable because the steepest grades are
short. I went to the 34 after trying to ride a road with 15% pitches
in a 39/29. The 34 is just low enough to let me keep moving.

Climbing Jamison Creek Road (in the hills above Santa Cruz, CA - 1500
feet in 3 miles, and increasingly steeper towards the top) on my
heavier steel rando-ish bike with 650b Fatty Rumpkins and a large
front bag, the 24/32 low wasn't enough to keep me moving on the
steepest stretches. On a fully loaded tourer, forget it!

Bill

On Jan 15, 1:48 pm, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote:
Are any of you regularly dealing with 12% grades? How is it?

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote:
I agree with Steve - you can only ride so slow. Balance and steering
quirkiness was my experience with riding a 24x34 (18.3) up steep
stuff at around 4.25 MPH. Charlie: if you are concerned with your
knees, as we all should after the age of ~55, the ole heel/toe gear
might be safer and besides it let's you stretch out those muscles in
the back of your legs.

Say - Patrick - I'm surprised to see you going for the lower end
gearing, particularly after your career of fixed riding. How's that
Fargo project going? What chainrings are you planning on using?

I never ride with much of a load so I doubt my present gearing is
relevant but 50-40-24 with a 12-23 in the rear works well for me
around, about and up most places in Sonoma County.

YMMV -
Phil B

On Jan 15, 5:09 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 02:30 -0800, charlie wrote:
I've been flirting with the idea also. Right now I am using a
44x32x22
and 7 speed 12-32 but wondered if a really low, low might be handy.

Last time I looked, a 22 front 32 rear already gave a really low low
(18.6). Going to a 36T would bring that down to 16.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 06:14 -0800, James Warren wrote:
 This gets me thinking. I need to set up a bike with a 20 tooth granny gear, 
 and the 12-36 in the rear! 15. Now we're talking.

Unless you have some super heavy loads and some super steep grades, you
might find that 15 gear very difficult to use.  Without something to
pedal against, you might feel as though you had no chain on at all.



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[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is thebestvehicleforhaulingyour bike?

2011-01-15 Thread Montclair BobbyB

I have been transporting my bikes on (and in) my 2005 Honda Element
for 5 years... It is one of the best bike-totin cars for sure.  I have
a hitch-mounted rack (with perfectly suits my Bombadil), but it can
also fit upright inside the Element (using a fork mount attached to a
small piece of plywood with a yoga mat glued to the underside)...
Provides the best of both worlds ... I can quickly load  transport my
Riv with no hassle, or optionally protect it inside (when necessary).

Peace,
BB


On Jan 15, 1:06 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes especially as we(I) started to color outside the lines a bit. As I said 
 bike riders are a flea, Riv riders are a flea on that flea. So we'll need to 
 stick together.
 RGZ :{)
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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 From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net

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 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:47:15
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 thebestvehicleforhauling
  your bike?

 on 1/15/11 9:21 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:

  A million apologies to all.  It is kind of on-topic because tall folks
  can't just throw their bikes in anything, and Riv does make a lot of
  bigger sizes.  But it is your list and so I respect what you say.

 I thought we were an autonomous collective...

 ;^)

 Just to clarify my hastily typed point -
 I do think this thread has remained within the topic of our group, insofar
 as it _was_ about Rivs rather than cars.

 As a parrallel point, it speaks highly of this group that requests to temper
 the thread were met with positive responses.  As I've said, it's an
 imperfect boundry, and depends upon context, tone and the willingness to
 listen to other's points of view.

 Thanks again!

 - J

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

2011-01-15 Thread EricP

Agree with Rene here.  In my experience, Big Apples with excess
pressure are harsh.  Was riding them about 40 front and 50 rear.
Lowered them to about 30 and 50 and they are much more fun.  Same with
the 26 Marathon Supremes.  Those also ride better at lower pressure.

As to the weather, well, haven't been outside on a bike for a week.
Weather and snow not cooperating.  More due to oatmeal snow than
anything.  Tough for studded tires to get good traction and riding
next to cars is less than optimal.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 15, 10:14 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
 and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
 on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
 running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
 weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
 get home.

 Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
 sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.

 René

 Sent from my iPhone 4

 On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
 Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
 expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
 get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.

 So is it just me.. hmm...

 I like fast feeling and comfort

 Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
 had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
 friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.

 Im 225 lbs..
 JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
 Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...

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[RBW] Sunny Saturday SoCal ride

2011-01-15 Thread cyclotourist

I have only been on one ride over 20 miles in the last two months , and with
the impending San Diego ride coming up fast, decided it was about time to
put some miles on.  I have a wonderful 40 mile loop (March Riv ride
anyone???) with a bunch of climbing, so decided to do that.  GREAT weather,
started out at 58F, and went to 75F by the time I was finished up four hours
later.  I had tail winds blowing me along at 25mph for one stretch which
was great!  Toward the end I detoured onto a local trail (Carraige trail for
any of you folks that have rode out here before) and found that most of it
was covered in silt and debris and a big chunk of it was pretty much gone!
The trail has been there for over 100 years, so this was definitely a
century storm.

About a two miles out from home, there was a cyclist sitting by his bike
staring at the back tire which was quite flat.  Asked if he needed help and
he jumped up saying Yes!  A couple other cyclists had already passed him.
He had a CO2 cartridge but no head unit for it.  They're not too much good
without one it seems.  I pumped up his tire while extolling the virtues of
tire pumps.  May have made a convert, who knows :-)

So great weather, great riding, great bike, great tailwind, viewed storm
damage, advocated for bike pumps.  A pretty good day!

Pics here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/archives/date-taken/2011/01/15/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote:


 Say - Patrick - I'm surprised to see you going for the lower end
 gearing, particularly after your career of fixed riding.  How's that
 Fargo project going?  What chainrings are you planning on using?


The Fargo has been built and in service for several months; very nice.
It is set up very different from my other bikes, with bars 7 cm above
saddle instead of 4 or 5 below, but the same butt-back position and a
longer stem for a surprisingly similar feel in terms of aero and
power -- makes me think that changing other bikes may be in order some
day.

Anyway, the 36 would be largely for a lower low in the middle (36)
ring. As it is, I have the drivetrain set up for most riding in the
outer, 46 (the cassette is a 15-17-20-24-28-34 rump of a 13-34 7 sp)
and I generally leave it in the 46X20 for a 67 gear for most riding,
dropping to the 36 at need for the flat but sandy dirt I ride in. I
thought that a 9 speed might give me a nice 60 dirt cruising gear
between the 46X20 or 67 pavement gear and the 46X24 56 gear which is
a bit low for my taste.

Speaking of climbing: I can't boast of distance, but I've been riding
a little, tiny 11-12 mile loop while running mail and grocery errands
for my mother; this involves about 4 miles of climbing including about
2 miles of standing (not continuous; about 2 miles max continuous with
about 3/4 to 1 mile max standing, depending on wind and load). I just
did this on my 67 Motobecane and sometimes for fun take out the
heavier, fatter tire'd Fargo and ride it in the same (46X20X29) gear.
My almost-56 year old knees are fine, tho' I've been careful of late
not to try to mash too much while seated.

I was tickled to find that the Fargo, tho' slower uphill, is still
faster overall because I can hit almost 30 on some of the downhills,
while the Motobecane is limited to about 23 1/2 mph if I keep things
comfortable, and generally lower than that with back pressure.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

I briefly ran a sub 18 gear way back in the days of 28 tooth big
cogs, using a Mountain Tamer Quad; I think the low was 18 or even 16 X
28. It was pretty useless off road, mostly because by the time you had
managed to curse the chain onto the sub-granny, you had already fallen
over. But even the 24X34 -- 20 -- on the 29 wheel Fargo feels hugely
non-resistant.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 06:14 -0800, James Warren wrote:
 This gets me thinking. I need to set up a bike with a 20 tooth granny gear, 
 and the 12-36 in the rear! 15. Now we're talking.

 Unless you have some super heavy loads and some super steep grades, you
 might find that 15 gear very difficult to use.  Without something to
 pedal against, you might feel as though you had no chain on at all.



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RE: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

On my tour bikes I have 24x36 and had 30x34 on the last.. but 24x36 at 1 or
2 mph is fine for me.. drink coffee and ease on up.  No in Missouri we get a
lot of 12% and on some hills we average 15 to 18%.. I have parks and places
with ¼ mile climbs over 20% average.So I’ll take the gears.. and even if
you pass me while walking it’s easier to pedal than push.

 

Just how I look at it.. and I don’t weave all over the place either.

 

Kelly

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Freeman
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:49 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Cog progression on Riv-sold 12-36 9-sp?

 

Are any of you regularly dealing with 12% grades?  How is it?

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Phil Bickford phi...@sonic.net wrote:

I agree with Steve - you can only ride so slow.  Balance and steering
quirkiness was my experience with riding a 24x34 (18.3) up steep
stuff at around 4.25 MPH.  Charlie: if you are concerned with your
knees, as we all should after the age of ~55, the ole heel/toe gear
might be safer and besides it let's you stretch out those muscles in
the back of your legs.

Say - Patrick - I'm surprised to see you going for the lower end
gearing, particularly after your career of fixed riding.  How's that
Fargo project going?  What chainrings are you planning on using?

I never ride with much of a load so I doubt my present gearing is
relevant but 50-40-24 with a 12-23 in the rear works well for me
around, about and up most places in Sonoma County.

YMMV -
Phil B


On Jan 15, 11:47 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
  If rested and on short rides I'd probably never use it but I carry a
 full touring load all the time and in spite of my efforts to reduce
 by riding, I only drop 20 pounds at the peak of the riding season.
 Grants recent writing clued me into the compensation eating that I
 know I do so I am trying some things different this year. Using lower
 overall gearing has preserved my knees. I wonder if a Deore rear
 derailleur will shift to the 36 tooth cog?

 On Jan 15, 5:09 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

  On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 02:30 -0800, charlie wrote:
   I've been flirting with the idea also. Right now I am using a 44x32x22
   and 7 speed 12-32 but wondered if a really low, low might be handy.

  Last time I looked, a 22 front 32 rear already gave a really low low
  (18.6).  Going to a 36T would bring that down to 16.



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RE: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

I just went out to put my bike in our element.  I guess the lower bottom
bracket makes a difference because my old / sold / X race bike the seat was
to high to stand up in the element.  No the AHH if I turn it sideways to get
it past the entrance I can just barely stand it up.then I have to put the
front wheel in first and turn it sideways at the front seat or it's too long
to fit.  Took two of us to wiggle it in.  For long trip with just the wife
and I it would be ok.. but not worth fighting on a regular basis to me.  So
I'll keep using the roof racks on my escape. 

 

Note if like my you find your fenders too long for standard roof racks ..
mine works great with my tandem rack and I found a place that sells singles
with the sole intent to be high enough for fenders.  At 115 bucks I am going
to order one and see how it is.  I think and won't swear to it that it was
made by draftmaster.

 

Kelly

 

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Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:13 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle
for hauling your bike?

 

Make it at least four for the Element. It's not sporty in the least. We
bought it because it's light for its size, its rugged interior can be
configured variously, and because it can haul bicycles standing up with
wheels on - at least as tall as my 60.5 cm Rivendell custom. We can put
three people and three bikes inside the car if we remove a back seat. It has
only four seats though, so now that we have twins, the bikes ride on a
hitch-mounted rack out back. Ironic, huh?

Also, please note that Honda has announced the end of production for this
model, and probably won't support it as long as I plan to keep it - which is
approximately for the rest of my life. Ours has been very reliable - no
repairs outside normal maintenance for 50k miles now.

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:55:34 -0500
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle
forhauling your bike?

Well, Jim, that was the initial concern.  I have a pick-up that is my
company work truck and have a bed rack in there.  So far so good.  But
it's when one wants to travel, and you are staying overnight, or you
stop for a bite to eat, or it's really raining.  These are pretty
nice bikes that can get crudded up pretty quickly, components aged
quickly and in the case of a Brooks, potentially ruined.  As I'm
ending up w/ more time to be able to wander around, I was just looking
for the type of vehicle described here and depending on the generosity
of this group to relay their experiences.

So far that's 3 for the Element.  It ain't the sportiest thing out
there to be sure but it does make sense.

RGZ

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Do you guys not use the carriers that fit onto the back of the car? That
is
 how I am transporting my Sam Hillborne (aka Crazy Horse). Is there a
 downside to that?

 best,

 JimP

 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best
 vehicle forhauling your bike?
 From: t...@cox.net
 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:02:56 -0500
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 I have a Honda Element too and I think it is ideal for a bike and gear
 carrier. I use fork holders mounted on pieces of old Trex decking to
lower
 the bikes to make easy entrance to rear hatch. As an exercise I managed
to
 fit four bikes alternating front ends and back ends but three is more
 practical (this is with both seats removed).
 As to comfort, I have made two trips to the mountains of Colorado from
 Cleveland with my element which were ok sitting in the front seat. I made
a
 trip to North Carolina with four guys in the car where I got to sit in
the
 back which was annoying with the rear seat theater seating. However, on
all
 those trips the mpg was right around 30 mpg on the interstates.
 On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Angus wrote:

  I also drive a Honda Element, specifically purchased because I can get
  my bikes inside. I remove the front wheel and get the 64cm Ram
  vertically inside The Toaster.
 
  I fold up one rear seat when carrying a bike and can use the 2nd rear
  seat as a changing room if necessary. The rubber/plastic floor is
  easy to clean up.
 
  I don't find the Element particularly comfortable, but it's good
  enough, has plenty of leg/head room and is very versatile.
 
  Angus
 
  On Jan 15, 6:01 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is the second suggestion for the Element. You find plenty of
front
  seat comfort too.
  Thanks for your insight (no pun).
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

RE: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

Thanks and I thought as much.. I can second the opinion that they are harsh
with too much air especially in front.   
Dropped The front to 30 and feels much better.

To whomever asked my JB's are the light version and I love them!  The
feel smooth and fast. I don't care how long they last when they ride this
well.



Kelly

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:44 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires what to buy

Agree with Rene here.  In my experience, Big Apples with excess
pressure are harsh.  Was riding them about 40 front and 50 rear.
Lowered them to about 30 and 50 and they are much more fun.  Same with
the 26 Marathon Supremes.  Those also ride better at lower pressure.

As to the weather, well, haven't been outside on a bike for a week.
Weather and snow not cooperating.  More due to oatmeal snow than
anything.  Tough for studded tires to get good traction and riding
next to cars is less than optimal.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 15, 10:14 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently
258
 and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back
based
 on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics,
I'm
 running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your
lighter
 weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when
I
 get home.

 Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
 sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.

 René

 Sent from my iPhone 4

 On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
 Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
 expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like
I
 get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.

 So is it just me.. hmm...

 I like fast feeling and comfort

 Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
 had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
 friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.

 Im 225 lbs..
 JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
 Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...

 Kelly

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[RBW] One more: food: you won't get fat eating thus.

Sorry, Jim, but I think this worth passing one:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepa-s-iyer/a-foodies-daily-ritual_b_807350.html

I know from my Chinese ex-wife that, in Chinese tradition, the value
of food is much more than its vitamin and mineral analysis; the method
of preparation and other relative intangibles affect the chi -- the
subtle (as opposed to gross, material aspect of food.

Something to think about, anyway.

Patrick Moore, supping on his own home-made minestrone and french bread.

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[RBW] Out on our bikes today

2011-01-15 Thread Bruce

Nice workout today, err ride!  Hills and wind. As usual, paired up with Joe on 
our Rivs. Here are a couple of pics of us and his HIllborne and my Rambouillet.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dYHAWrE68KDvs6YWD7mdh1VJqcbWkg1HkUhed9KeZQE?feat=directlink


http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/51kJ68qk6zNymOutyocP_lVJqcbWkg1HkUhed9KeZQE?feat=directlink


Readers needing sleeping assistance can peruse the ride report at 
fullylugged.blogspot.com

Bruce


  

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[RBW] Re: One more: food: you won't get fat eating thus.

Patrick,

Thank you for posting this...the article was enlightening.

Angus Who just finished a bowl of home-made stake and ale pie

On Jan 15, 7:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sorry, Jim, but I think this worth passing 
 one:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepa-s-iyer/a-foodies-daily-ritual_b_8...

 I know from my Chinese ex-wife that, in Chinese tradition, the value
 of food is much more than its vitamin and mineral analysis; the method
 of preparation and other relative intangibles affect the chi -- the
 subtle (as opposed to gross, material aspect of food.

 Something to think about, anyway.

 Patrick Moore, supping on his own home-made minestrone and french bread.

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Re: [RBW] Re: One more: food: you won't get fat eating thus.

Steak and ale pie -- would you please share the recipe? Thanks.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Patrick,

 Thank you for posting this...the article was enlightening.

 Angus Who just finished a bowl of home-made stake and ale pie

 On Jan 15, 7:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sorry, Jim, but I think this worth passing 
 one:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepa-s-iyer/a-foodies-daily-ritual_b_8...

 I know from my Chinese ex-wife that, in Chinese tradition, the value
 of food is much more than its vitamin and mineral analysis; the method
 of preparation and other relative intangibles affect the chi -- the
 subtle (as opposed to gross, material aspect of food.

 Something to think about, anyway.

 Patrick Moore, supping on his own home-made minestrone and french bread.

 --
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

Kelly,

I second the I don't care how long they last if they ride this well
philosophy.

Probably 20 years ago I had a set of cotton Vittoria's that gripped
well, rolled well and were comfortable.  They wore very quickly (down
to the cord in 2,000 miles) and pinch flatted every other ride, but I
really liked those tires.  Never was able to find another pair...worst
luck.

Angus

On Jan 15, 6:58 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks and I thought as much.. I can second the opinion that they are harsh
 with too much air especially in front.  
 Dropped The front to 30 and feels much better.

 To whomever asked my JB's are the light version and I love them!  The
 feel smooth and fast. I don't care how long they last when they ride this
 well.

 Kelly

 -Original Message-
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP
 Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:44 PM
 To: RBW Owners Bunch
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires what to buy

 Agree with Rene here.  In my experience, Big Apples with excess
 pressure are harsh.  Was riding them about 40 front and 50 rear.
 Lowered them to about 30 and 50 and they are much more fun.  Same with
 the 26 Marathon Supremes.  Those also ride better at lower pressure.

 As to the weather, well, haven't been outside on a bike for a week.
 Weather and snow not cooperating.  More due to oatmeal snow than
 anything.  Tough for studded tires to get good traction and riding
 next to cars is less than optimal.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Jan 15, 10:14 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
  You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently
 258
  and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back
 based
  on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics,
 I'm
  running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your
 lighter
  weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when
 I
  get home.

  Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
  sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.

  René

  Sent from my iPhone 4

  On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
  Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
  expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like
 I
  get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.

  So is it just me.. hmm...

  I like fast feeling and comfort

  Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
  had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
  friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.

  Im 225 lbs..
  JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
  Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...

  Kelly

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[RBW] Anybody have a 68 cm Quickbeam for sale??

2011-01-15 Thread tresbambi...@gmail.com

Hey all,
I hope this is the right place to post this, I've been away too long.
 Anyway, does anybody have one they are willing to part with??
Please email me at
tresbambi...@gmail.com

Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

2011-01-15 Thread William Pustow

   That's what I've been looking for!  Please let us, (forget them, tell only 
me), know if the single unit works with fenders. What's the brand/web site?
Bill
Louisville, Ky



On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote:

 Note if like my you find your fenders too long for standard roof racks .. 
 mine works great with my tandem rack and I found a place that sells singles 
 with the sole intent to be high enough for fenders.  At 115 bucks I am going 
 to order one and see how it is. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group: What is the best vehicle for hauling your bike?

Ok William I'll whisper the link to you only..
http://atoc.com/biketopper.php
Then scroll down to the BT-HT47   ... that is the one I'm buying.

My Tandem topper is a Rockymount.. haven't check to see if they make
something.

Kelly

William Pustow wrote:
 That's what I've been looking for!  Please let us, (forget them, tell only 
 me), know if the single unit works with fenders. What's the brand/web site?
 Bill
 Louisville, Ky



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  Note if like my you find your fenders too long for standard roof racks .. 
  mine works great with my tandem rack and I found a place that sells singles 
  with the sole intent to be high enough for fenders.  At 115 bucks I am 
  going to order one and see how it is.

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[RBW] Re: Anybody have a 68 cm Quickbeam for sale??

I want one too.. :)

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[RBW] Re: Anybody have a 68 cm Quickbeam for sale??

2011-01-15 Thread Abcyclehank

Hat trick... : (

On Jan 15, 10:24 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
 I want one too.. :)

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

2011-01-15 Thread Earl Grey

Aaron,

It's not just the suppleness of the sidewall, but the suppleness of
the entire casing, the center of which is compromised by the tourguard
strip. The whole tire has to deform to absorb shock, not just the
sidewall.

Gernot

On Jan 15, 11:36 pm, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm using 700x28 TG Paselas and have no complaints.

 Why the preference for wire bead though?  According to the Panaracer site
 the folding kevlar Paselas (280g )weigh less than the wire bead non-TG
 versions (320g for 28mm sizes).  The non-folding TG is listed as 340g.

 If its not for weight then is the issue suppleness?   Does the TG interfere
 with suppleness?  I thought the suppleness of the sidewall was what really
 led to a great feeling tire.

 -Aaron Young
 Rochester, NY

 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.comwrote:



  You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
  and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
  on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
  running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
  weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
  get home.

  Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
  sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.

  René

  Sent from my iPhone 4

  On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
  Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
  expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
  get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.

  So is it just me.. hmm...

  I like fast feeling and comfort

  Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
  had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
  friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.

  Im 225 lbs..
  JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
  Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...

  Kelly

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[RBW] This Year Riding Plans