Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford touch-up paints

[Andrew Johnson]

Anyone know the right touchup paint for an Orange Quickbeam?

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford touch-up paints

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Does anyone have a good match for the blue Rambouillet color?

Thanks,
Toshi


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 They send a pretty good amount, too.  At least the ones I have are 3.5 or
 4oz.

 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Plus A. Homer Hilsen Pearly Blue  Heron colors as well!

 CZ

 On Nov 9, 12:50 pm, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
  Just and FYI, on something I came across...
 
  Over on Waterford's Gunnar page, they have a touch-up paint order
  section.  http://gunnarbikes.com/site/order/touchup/
 
  Included in their list, are orange and green Sam Hillbornes, and the
  Atlantis green.
 
  FWIW...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dent in Seat Stay of Saluki

[Peter Morgano]

Photos were exchanged, frame was described as perfect.  Like I said I still
probably would have bought it but for, like 300 less. It is almost all
built up now anyway, if anyone can suggest a touch up paint the color is an
having some issues getting a good match. Thanks
On Nov 9, 2011 10:38 PM, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote:

 Agreed. And at the risk of picking at a scab, since the internet never
 forgets, I believe the pertinent quote was, Will supply pictures on
 request.  Frame is in great shape.
 https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/aji5zFLKLt4/discussion

 I suppose it would depend upon whether pictures were exchanged. If an
 offer was placed sight unseen and not contingent upon photos, one gouge to
 the chain stay I could see does not make a bike less than great. I
 personally think it would still bear mentioning before the final deal was
 consummated, but such is the grays of dealing with strangers on the
 internet. Now, if photos were exchanged and a close-up of the chain stay
 was conspicuously absent, that I think would merit revisiting the terms of
 the transaction.

 -Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!

[Smitty-A-Go-Go]

We looked long and hard for a reasonable 16-inch wheeled bike when my 
daughter out grew her 12-inch Specialized Hotrock. We finally found a 
Schwinn Gremlin on Craigslist for $40 and snatched it up. 

Funny you mention wheel size, David. M 5-year old daughter tried to go up a 
driveway from the street at too shallow an angle and her front wheel was 
deflected by the bump. She went down pretty hard. I was tough 'cause there 
wasn't much I could do other than comfort her and explain how to avoid it 
happening again. She really wants a bigger bike but she can barely stand 
over her 16-inch wheeled Schwinn Gremlin.

Here are a few pics of the kids on their rides... 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/113148323994353762329/albums/5673253657816624801


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[RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Thomas B]

I wanted to get some advice on a recent posting for a +10 year old
Long Low advertised on Bay area Craigslist. I've read some of the
older comments on this discussion group and it seems like a frameset
that has been offered and discussed before several times, albeit at
higher prices.

Please check out the post. 'Rivendell Long Low Preproduction - 60cm
Frame  Fork Only - $1350'  - 
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2694438431.html

The price seems a bit high to me seeing as the complete bike retailed
at ~$2450, back in the late 90's (?). Also note there is a small dent
in the TT.

I am new to bikes and RBW but would like a quality comfortable steel
bike. Any advice you guys could give would be appreciated. Does the
fact it is preproduction make it any less of a bike? Are canti brakes
any good?

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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Forrest]

Thomas -- 

I have a '99 59 cm LongLow made for side/center-pull brakes. Others on this 
list will know better than I do, but I think pre-production means that the 
frames were made in standard sizes/configurations (not custom) but not 
necessarily in runs of sizes as they were later by the Toyo shop in Japan. 
My LongLow was built by Joe Starck and painted by Joe Bell.

Canti brakes are good. They can offer more clearance for fenders and/or 
larger tires, and some think they have better stopping power than 
sidepulls. That may be, but both kinds of brakes are good, and I wouldn't 
shy away from a frame like the one now on CL in SF because it was made for 
cantis.

-- Forrest (Iowa City)


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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[tdusky]

This an Atlantis, look at the picture.
They have been trying this for a while.

Tom Dusky
Huntington Woods MI

On Nov 10, 8:09 am, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:
 Thomas --

 I have a '99 59 cm LongLow made for side/center-pull brakes. Others on this
 list will know better than I do, but I think pre-production means that the
 frames were made in standard sizes/configurations (not custom) but not
 necessarily in runs of sizes as they were later by the Toyo shop in Japan.
 My LongLow was built by Joe Starck and painted by Joe Bell.

 Canti brakes are good. They can offer more clearance for fenders and/or
 larger tires, and some think they have better stopping power than
 sidepulls. That may be, but both kinds of brakes are good, and I wouldn't
 shy away from a frame like the one now on CL in SF because it was made for
 cantis.

 -- Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Next generation Bombadil

[newenglandbike]

Just browsing through Flickr photos and came across this beast!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6162/6184561746_7ee36e200c_b.jpg

This, my friends, has what you could call a nice large tire-to-frame-tubes 
ratio.   8 tires with room for fenders.   Dang!

Note that, in testing, these tires actually proved to be *faster* than 
700x25c's on average.Analysis of results seemed to point to the the 
'supple sidewalls' on these bad boys.


Just had to share :)


-Matt

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Re: [RBW] Celebrity sighting on brevet

[Lee Chae]

Ahh, thanks, Thomas. I am behind the times, yet again, I see!

Best,
Lee
SF, CA

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

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 That feline's already exited the Saddlesack...

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 *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Celebrity sighting on brevet

 There's something intriguing about that bike, BUbba. If I'm right, you may
 want to take the pic down or be banned from Riv for a while!! ;)  (I could
 be wrong, though...)

 Lee
 SF, CA



 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:05 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 nowhere.  Name that rider:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/6324307454/in/photostream

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[RBW] Re: Waterford touch-up paints

[Leslie]

I missed the Hilsen in that other list...

I want to mention, in case someone is searching and comes across this:   
new Hilsens are made by Waterford, but the early ones were made by Toyo, 
and have a similar, yet different shade of blue;  this wouldn't be a match 
for them.

Since the Rambouillets were all made by Toyo, I wouldn't expect Waterford 
to have the 'right' color for any of them, orange, blue, or green.   I wish 
they did, but...


+ + +

Now that I'm thinking about it, wasn't Riv at one time contemplating 
carrying touch-up paint for their frames?   Is that still in the works?


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[RBW] Re: Next generation Bombadil

[Leslie]

Double top-tube, and a bell!

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Tim McNamara]

The production frames of the time went for $1100 up to $1400 by 1996, IIRC.  A 
cream head tube was an extra $100 option and was later standard.


On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Thomas B wrote:

 The price seems a bit high to me seeing as the complete bike retailed
 at ~$2450, back in the late 90's (?).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Next generation Bombadil

[Lyle Bogart]

Wow. . . I think I'd rather ride that down hill than up, though!

On 10 November 2011 09:38, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Double top-tube, and a bell!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Next generation Bombadil

[William]

uphill is no problem.  The planing takes care of that.  

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Re: [RBW] Celebrity sighting on brevet

[William]

Thank goodness for that confirmation.  I was afraid I'd have to go back 
into witness protection.

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[RBW] Re: FS: like new 62cm Hunqapillar.

[William]

Congrats.  Get well soon.  

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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Minh]

Thomas B,

It looks like others have you covered/warned on this particular
listing.  Why don't we change the subject and talk about what you're
looking for?  We can help you pick out a current Rivendell model or
guide you to a known seller if you give us some more info on the type
of bike you are looking for and how you want to use it.

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Lee Chae]

HI Thomas. How about visiting RIv (I'm assuming you're local given the SF
Craigslist link) and checking out a new Sam Hillborne ($1050 frame/fork)?
It would make for a great all-purpose bike and is quality, comfortable
steel. And, with the extra $300 you save on the frame/fork, you can pick
some useful accessories, like racks, lights, and fenders, etc.

Just my two cents.

Lee
SF, CA

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Thomas B darcyspeedobot...@gmail.comwrote:

 I wanted to get some advice on a recent posting for a +10 year old
 Long Low advertised on Bay area Craigslist. I've read some of the
 older comments on this discussion group and it seems like a frameset
 that has been offered and discussed before several times, albeit at
 higher prices.

 Please check out the post. 'Rivendell Long Low Preproduction - 60cm
 Frame  Fork Only - $1350'  -
 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2694438431.html

 The price seems a bit high to me seeing as the complete bike retailed
 at ~$2450, back in the late 90's (?). Also note there is a small dent
 in the TT.

 I am new to bikes and RBW but would like a quality comfortable steel
 bike. Any advice you guys could give would be appreciated. Does the
 fact it is preproduction make it any less of a bike? Are canti brakes
 any good?

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

It is not an Atlantis, and I see no reason to consider this a scam. 
Considering all the variations we've seen in Rivendell models over the 
years, I have no reason to doubt that Grant/Waterford put together a 
canti-LongLow. If you think it's overpriced, make an offer. Treating it as 
BS seems unfair to me. 
 
Joe Bernard
Fairfield, CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is not an Atlantis, and I see no reason to consider this a scam.
 Considering all the variations we've seen in Rivendell models over the
 years, I have no reason to doubt that Grant/Waterford put together a
 canti-LongLow. If you think it's overpriced, make an offer. Treating it as
 BS seems unfair to me.


Well - to be fair it's been up and down on craigslist for about 2yrs
now - the price has changed a bit over time but nothing else has.

Most of the time that's evidence of something  being priced wrong or
something _else_ being wrong which is scaring off other buyers.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

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Get some full-sized pix from the seller.  Find out if it's a Waterford or
Joe/Joe build.  Then at that point, go see it in person if you're in the
Bay Area.  If it's Joe/Joe, it's pretty well priced.  W'ford, not so much
so.

FYI, here's a tantalizing lead recently dropped on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/6017878228/  Looks to be about
the same size and with a better documented pedigree.

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 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
  It is not an Atlantis, and I see no reason to consider this a scam.
  Considering all the variations we've seen in Rivendell models over the
  years, I have no reason to doubt that Grant/Waterford put together a
  canti-LongLow. If you think it's overpriced, make an offer. Treating it
 as
  BS seems unfair to me.
 

 Well - to be fair it's been up and down on craigslist for about 2yrs
 now - the price has changed a bit over time but nothing else has.

 Most of the time that's evidence of something  being priced wrong or
 something _else_ being wrong which is scaring off other buyers.

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Forrest]

The LongLow on Flickr that cyclotourist refers to is mine.  -- fm

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Forrest]

RBW did indeed build several canti LongLows. You can see at least one on 
cyclofiend's Current Classics site.  -- Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Velocity moving rim production to US

[cyclotourist]

Steve P posted this in a couple other groups, and I think it is pertinent
to RBW group as well.
Very cool news.  I think Velocity rims are great, hopefully this will let
them make a real in-road to the NA market!  Florida seems an odd choice for
light manufacturing especially as they're distribution is out of Michigan,
but maybe FL has more capacity there than I'm aware of.

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November 7, 2011

VELOCITY RIMS TO BE MADE IN THE USA

(Grand Rapids, MI) Brothers and partners, Tom and John Black will begin
manufacturing rims in Jacksonville, Florida in February 2012.
Currently, all Velocity rims are made in Australia, and production will
cease in Brisbane by the end of November.

Tom Black, the founder of Velocity, will be relocating from Australia to
Florida where he will continue to oversee rim production at Velocity’s
new manufacturing factory.  Velocity’s distribution center will continue
to operate out of Grand Rapids, Michigan as it has since 1992 and become
their worldwide headquarters; with the Australian facility remaining as
a distribution center for the Asian and Australian markets.

Velocity will be the only U.S. produced aluminum rim in the cycling
industry.  John Black, president of Velocity Worldwide, Inc.,
anticipates this to further propel the company as a leader in quality,
ingenuity and customization customers have come to love and expect from
Velocity.

--http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=656



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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!

[cyclotourist]

Start on the 20 search, it'll take awhile, too!   The wheel size really
made a big difference.  Most noticeable in rolling off curbs (probably also
why kid bikes are so over-built!).  She used to stop and straddle-step walk
them over, now rides right off them.  I noticed the big difference for her
going from 16 to 20 was the extra mass of the front end.  My daughter did
not like having to move it around at low/no speed and that kinda' mentally
freaked her out.  Once she got over that... watch out!

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Smitty-A-Go-Go 54ca...@gmail.com wrote:

 We looked long and hard for a reasonable 16-inch wheeled bike when my
 daughter out grew her 12-inch Specialized Hotrock. We finally found a
 Schwinn Gremlin on Craigslist for $40 and snatched it up.

 Funny you mention wheel size, David. M 5-year old daughter tried to go up
 a driveway from the street at too shallow an angle and her front wheel was
 deflected by the bump. She went down pretty hard. I was tough 'cause there
 wasn't much I could do other than comfort her and explain how to avoid it
 happening again. She really wants a bigger bike but she can barely stand
 over her 16-inch wheeled Schwinn Gremlin.

 Here are a few pics of the kids on their rides...
 https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/113148323994353762329/albums/5673253657816624801


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[RBW] Re: Velocity moving rim production to US

[William]

I hope they put markings on the MUSA rims that remind us to roll them in 
the opposite direction.  :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velocity moving rim production to US

[cyclotourist]

Ba-dump-bump!

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:27 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I hope they put markings on the MUSA rims that remind us to roll them in
 the opposite direction.  :)

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[RBW] WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[Anne Paulson]

Looking for a do-everything bike for my 6'4 son, who is ridiculously
cramped on his too-small Surly LHT. If you have one for sale, email me
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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Jim M.]

On Nov 9, 11:40 pm, Thomas B darcyspeedobot...@gmail.com wrote:
 I wanted to get some advice on a recent posting for a +10 year old
 Long Low advertised on Bay area Craigslist.

If the Long Low was priced right, it would have sold by now with the
multiple postings. Have you seen the Bleriot on SF Craigslist? Half
the price of the Long Low.

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[RBW] WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips Standard (Pair)

[Clayton Scott]

Hi All,

Rivendell is out of the standard version (not modified for bar end
shifters) of Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips. If anyone has an
unmounted pair they want to part with I would be happy to take them off
your hands. Happy to pay shipping and whatever you paid for them.

Best,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Greg J]

If you're interested and local, why not go take a look at it?

I was following Riv very closely in the late 90s to early 2000s, much more 
so than I do now, and there is nothing in the ad (or the fact that it's 
been up and down so many times) to suggest that there is something wrong 
with the bike.

The LLs were being made right around the time Riv transitioned from 
Waterford to Joe S so it could be either, and there are probably some 
details that will tell you which.  For instance, I know Waterford used its 
own serial numbering system (which you can find on their website).  I 
suspect Joe S used a different system.  Also, around this time may have 
been when Riv started using its own Rivendell casted bottom bracket shell 
(tho I'm not too sure about that).  A close up look at the lugs would also 
be helpful, as I think Waterford didn't do any custom modified lugs, and 
Riv was starting to do it.

As for the price, if this is a Waterford, it's a little high (I personally 
think if you like the bike, the color, and it fits, then around $1K is a 
fair price for a Waterford Riv).  If it's a Joe bike, I can see myself 
paying close to this price if I had the money and the bike fits.  It's true 
that to get something similar for anywhere near that price (handbuilt in 
the US with fancy lugs, Riv pedigree, by a well-respected and reputed 
builder --- and I'm not commenting on whether any of that affects the ride 
or build quality, but perceived value being what it is).

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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[SISDDWG]

Most of the time that's evidence of something being priced wrong or
something _else_ being wrong which is scaring off other buyers.

The people searching Craigslist are looking for something for
nothing.  Prices of 10+ years ago have no bearing on today's value.
What do you think that $1,100 Longlow would cost at today's dollar
value? My 1998 Joe/Joe Longlow is on cyclofiend's Current Classics. It
has canti's and they work great.

On Nov 10, 8:39 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
  It is not an Atlantis, and I see no reason to consider this a scam.
  Considering all the variations we've seen in Rivendell models over the
  years, I have no reason to doubt that Grant/Waterford put together a
  canti-LongLow. If you think it's overpriced, make an offer. Treating it as
  BS seems unfair to me.

 Well - to be fair it's been up and down on craigslist for about 2yrs
 now - the price has changed a bit over time but nothing else has.

 Most of the time that's evidence of something  being priced wrong or
 something _else_ being wrong which is scaring off other buyers.

 -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Next generation Bombadil

[Smitty-A-Go-Go]

I've floated down rivers in inner tubes that size. 


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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Thomas B]

Thanks for the discussion. I am going to go give it a test ride
today.

To answer earlier threads, this would be my first 'good' bike. Using
it for commuting (14 mile RT) with a big hill in the EBay. But my hope
is to ride around the hills near my house on weekends as well.

I've been seriously considering a Jamis Quest in a 61cm - so the
handle bars are a bit higher up. Salsa Casserroll (a relaxed road
bike), with beefed up components. Gunnar sport also looks good,
although no tests so far and Traitor exile. The last kind of made me
notice how pretty lugs are and so I considered climbing the money tree
a bit further and started looking at RBW. I agree a visit to the RBW
shop would be a good idea!

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Andrew Johnson]

My '98 canti LongLow (Joe/Joe):

http://diesel.smugmug.com/Shiny-Things/Rivendell-LongLow/

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:

 RBW did indeed build several canti LongLows. You can see at least one on
 cyclofiend's Current Classics site.  -- Forrest (Iowa City)


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[RBW] Re: Nitto Mini Rack and Riv All Rounder fork

[Chris]

I've recently done the Nitto Mini Front installation on Sam Hillborne
(700C wheel).  Based on your picture, it doesn't look too far off to
me.

I did have to bend the struts by hand for it to fit (note that the
center strut is a lot easier to bend than the support ones on the
sides).  Just make sure not to let the rack sit too low.  I ran into
problems later with fender installation.  The rack was sitting too low
and the light mount at the front was interfering with the curvature of
the fender.  I eventually had to re-bend the struts and raise the rack
a bit.  Let me know if you need some pictures.  I can try to take a
few when I get some time.


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 I wonder if they changed the struts length on the Nitto Mini. The bike was 
 made in '99 by match and was spec'd for a Nitto mini, IIRC. I don't think 
 bending the struts is an option. The pictures might not show it well enough 
 but if I bend the struts down, they will move away from the braze-on since 
 they will move in an arc. I'll probably just put the rack on my XO instead. 
 Maybe I'll buy  the Mark's Rack from Riv or maybe another one that mounts to 
 the canti bosses. The bike was built for 26 wheels, btw.

 -Norman in PDX

 
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 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:38 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Nitto Mini Rack and Riv All Rounder fork

 The little Nitto on my Atlantis is 155 mm.  Steel is highly malleable;
 the bend option should work.  You just ID'd the downside to braze-
 ons.  I had braze-ons added for my low riders, then changed to a
 better rack without thinking to compare mounting points.

 dougP

 On Nov 9, 10:45 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yeah, you and I are talking about the same rack.  Good theory.

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Re: [RBW] OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!

[David Yu Greenblatt]

I hope Riv moves this from the back burner to the middle burner if not the
front burner. I am ready to pre-pay for one now.

David G
Madison WI

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/12528275911/mini-bike-for-7-to-9-a-back-burner-deal

 This is just s fantastic.  I totally obsess on kid bikes and have
 sequential bikes from 12 to 24 for pretty much the whole neighborhood.
 Coming up on 26 (and looking hard for a 90's 13 Hoo Koo E Koo or Trek 950
 if someone has one stashed somewhere...) now, then on to 650b and 700c/29er
 territory!

 I looked long and hard to find a GREAT 20 KHS Montana.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4302651574/  I moved my kids on
 to hand brakes and gears as soon as I could (this bike is ridden by my 5
 y.o.).  But oh how I would have loved to have a semi-lugged Rivendell
 for them!

 Hey Grant, consider a 24 version as well, that's the perfect kid size
 (here's my take on the best option out there:
 http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/found-perfect-kid-bike.html).
 You can get kids all different sizes on that, and the 24 tires roll so
 much better than 20 tires do.


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell...

[Jared Volpe]

Hi all,

Still looking for that do-everything Riv. Let me know if I can lighten your 
load!

Jared

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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[tdusky]

Look at the color.
The canti long-lows were called all all-arounders.
It sure looks like an Atlantis, just like mine
Unless it was a pre production Atlantis.

Tom Dusky
owner of 61cm atlantis just like the photo
Huntington Woods, MI

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 It is not an Atlantis, and I see no reason to consider this a scam.
 Considering all the variations we've seen in Rivendell models over the
 years, I have no reason to doubt that Grant/Waterford put together a
 canti-LongLow. If you think it's overpriced, make an offer. Treating it as
 BS seems unfair to me.

 Joe Bernard
 Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Frameset for sale

[kaseri]

Price dropped to $1000 shipped. Please let me know if you're interested.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[Jim]

Didn't i read somewhere that Surly was doing a 64cm LHT?

Jim Fekete
Boulder, CO

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 Looking for a do-everything bike for my 6'4 son, who is ridiculously
 cramped on his too-small Surly LHT. If you have one for sale, email me
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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Tim McNamara]

On Nov 10, 2011, at 12:35 PM, SISDDWG wrote:

 The people searching Craigslist are looking for something for nothing.  

grumpMy observation is that the sellers on Craigslist tend to vastly 
overestimate the value of their stuff they want to flog.  Calling it vintage 
adds about 50%.  I look at bikes and guitars on the local CL and it's amazing 
how much overpriced crap there is in both categories.  A 30 years old Raleigh 
Sports 3 speed is not worth $500.  It sold for about $120 and it's not even 
worth that now, let alone four times what it cost new.  A 20 year old entry 
level Ibanez guitar is not a vintage closet classic worth five times what it 
cost new.  Etc.  /grump

Craigslist is basically a garage sale online.  Used stuff just doesn't hold 
value very well except maybe for things like diamonds, precious metals and 
things that are actually rare.

 Prices of 10+ years ago have no bearing on today's value.

It's a point of reference that is useful to know.  Why would this frame and 
fork, for example, be worth more than it sold for new?  It's 15 years or more 
old, it's used, it's even been damaged albeit slightly.  I think it's worth 
half of what the seller is asking at most.

But then I also think that there is an attitude that somehow a Rivendell or a 
Bridgestone hold value to a much greater degree than other marques.  I have 
often seen people trying to sell something Rivendell from years back at the 
same price they paid for it new.  If they can find someone who thinks that's a 
good deal, then more power to 'em I guess.

 What do you think that $1,100 Longlow would cost at today's dollar value?

What difference does that make in buying a *used* bike frame?  The original 
price is useful information, the cost of a new similar item is irrelevant IMHO.

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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[William]

The comparison with custom is the big stretch.  That listing says A custom 
Rivendell costs $3000 and you have to wait a year and uses those facts to 
claim the value of his Rivendell.  That's simply absurd

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Tim McNamara]

On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:00 PM, tdusky wrote:

 The canti long-lows were called all all-arounders.

I have a 1996 All-Rounder and it is not the same bike as a Long-Low.  The 
original All-Rounders were all 26 wheel bikes with cantis and were based on 
the ideas behind the Bridgestone XO-1.  It was designed to allow the use of 2 
knobbies down to 1 slicks.  The All-Rounder was one of the first three 
original Rivendell models (Road, Mountain and All-Rounder).  The A/R used 
(IIRC) larger a diameter top tube but I think the same diameter down tube as 
the Road, whereas I think the Mountain used oversize top and down tubes (could 
be wrong about that, my recollection about those details is fuzzy).

The Long-Lows came along a year or two later, I think about the time I placed 
my order (I vaguely recall Grant alerting me to the new model in between my 
placing the order and production starting.  I stuck with the A/R but in 
retrospect should have gone with the Long-Low for the uses I have ended up 
putting it to).  The Long-Lows were 700C bikes with long-reach sidepulls, 
although as some folks have mentioned they could be ordered with cantis; I 
don't remember if that was an option from the get-go.  They were designed as 
road bikes with a lot of clearance for fenders and/or fat tires, much more so 
than the Road model of the day.  They had a lower BB and a longer wheelbase 
(hence Long-Low) than the Roads but used (IIRC) the same tubing.

None of the original 3 models or the Long-Low were initially conceived of as 
custom frames.  However, Grant started doing tweaks for individual uyers early 
on and pretty quickly the bikes became customs.  In those days it was all 753 
with 531 forks nostalgic sigh.

The Atlantis is a several-years-later bike based mostly on the All-Rounder and 
the XO-1 before it.  My recollection is that the first run or two of the 
Atlantis used 26 wheels on all sizes and then later 26 on the smaller bikes 
and 700C on the larger sizes (smart idea).

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Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[James Warren]

Yeah, I have a good memory for this stuff. The first Reader that introduced the Longlow as a concept contained a detailed explanation of the philosophy behind the bike. Grant explained that they would make them with the option of either cantis for greater tire clearance or for standard reach sidepulls for greater tire clearance. At the time, the future of standard reach sidepulls was much more questionable, but Grant hadn't given up on them. So both cantis and standard reach sidepulls were specifically verbalized as options for the bike. This was in the late 90's.

I believe at this time the Road Standard had much less tire clearance than is now considered acceptable for a Rivendell.

I think the Rambouillet is essentially a Longlow, but when it came out in 2002, the future of standard reach sidepulls had become much more rosy. Hence the Ram and Rom were designed for sidepulls only. (Until that lovely error that produced the canti-Rom.)

-Jim W.

-Original Message- From: Forrest Sent: Nov 10, 2011 9:07 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist RBW did indeed build several canti LongLows. You can see at least one on cyclofiend's Current Classics site. -- Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell...

[William]

Jared, Does that mean you didn't like the 69cm Fuji I gave you to test 
ride?  

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[RBW] Opened a package today from Peter White.

[Scotty]

It included my anxiously awaited dynamo wheel with Shimano 3n72/ Dyad, Lyt 
Senso headlight and top light tail light. Only had a chance to take a short 
ride so far but felt no noticeable resistance when on the bike. I'm excited to 
go on a night ride. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

The canti long-lows were called all all-arounders.


This is not correct. The All-Rounder and the Longlow were two different frames 
with two different geometries. The All-Rounder was closer to proper touring 
with longer chainstays and 26 wheels in the smaller sizes. The Longlow was 
always considered a 700C road bike, sport-touring bike actually, with longer 
chainstays than the mainstream, but still shorter than a proper tourer like the 
All-Rounder. All-Rounder is like Atlantis and Longlow is like Rambouillet.

The fact that some Longlows came with cantis did not change the distinctions 
above, so a canti-Longlow was not called an All-Rounder, at least not with a 
capital A-R.

If stated lower case, as in all-rounder, then you could probably say that 
almost all Rivendells have had all-rounder qualities.

-Jim W.


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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[Anne Paulson]

Yeah, but Rivendell bikes are prettier.

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 Didn't i read somewhere that Surly was doing a 64cm LHT?

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Re: [RBW] Opened a package today from Peter White.

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Scotty bongos...@verizon.net wrote:
 It included my anxiously awaited dynamo wheel with Shimano 3n72/ Dyad, Lyt 
 Senso headlight and top light tail light. Only had a chance to take a short 
 ride so far but felt no noticeable resistance when on the bike. I'm excited 
 to go on a night ride.



Excellent! Dynamos are fantastic :)

enjoy!

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[RBW] Re: Opened a package today from Peter White.

[Scotty]

A few shakey pictures from my iphone.
 
 
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/65433756@N02/6332146365/in/photostream/
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[Garth]

The 64cm. Surly is not going to allow nearly as high bars either, and no 
higher than their 62. They use the same fork steerer length!  kind of 
Homer Simpson DUH! .. on that one lol.   The TT is a full inch shorter 
too than a 62cm Hunq.  Plus  yeah  it's a Rivendell and rides like 
a dream :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Occupy S24O?

[erik jensen]

lol i bought my first rivvy when i made 15k a year and was an underemployed
out of college grad. i sold my car, and put most of the money into the
bank. saw someone on a hunqapillar down in oakland when the cops started
shooting people in the face with teargas canisters, two weeks ago. never
saw an acorn, and don't know how that's relevant to this list unless we're
talking about beautiful oak trees up on fine grassy ridges.

the politics of stealth camping on open public space is concurrent in my
mind, whether you're on shell ridge or oscar grant plaza.

s24o, the original occupy movement.

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 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
  This thread is getting way out of bounds. I suggest ceasing and
  desisting or taking it to a different forum.
 

 You're right.

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[RBW] FS: buncha used bikes, some Riv-esque

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I was going to post my Toyo-built Stumpjumper fixie here, but decided to 
put all my used treasures in one place:
http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2011/11/some-nice-used-bikes.html

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[RBW] Heads up -- cranks available again

[William]

Some of us have been checking VO every once in a while for their long out 
of stock 50.4mm BCD crankset.  Heads up that it's back in stock now.  That 
winter build can now continue!  :)

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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The bike in the picture sure LOOKS like an Atlantis to me...

On another point that was brought up: As far as I know, Atlantises have 
always had the 26/700C split between 56 cm and 58 cm frame sizes. We had a 
very low serial-number 58 in here awhile back, and it was indeed 700c.

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[RBW] FS: 64 rambouillet: complete

[erik jensen]

Hey Everyone,

I have a beautiful 64cm rambouillet, purchased off the list as a frameset
last fall and then built. It has brand new paint (metallic flake apple
green) and was ridden maybe 300 miles by me. It has huge clearance (i can
fit 40mm supremes), and so can be used for a variety of purposes. Turns out
I want to always take out my atlantis, since I like to ride off road and am
not much of one for road riding. If I put wider tires in to do that, it'd
be the same as my atlantis--do i need three rivendells? not when I'm moving
into a studio next month.

It's built up nicely:

48cm noodles/technomic deluxe stem/shimano levers
Campy record pre-carbon double crank, with matching bottom bracket
(ridiculously low Q with this setup)
11-34 xt rear cassette, on a ultegra rear hub laced to mavic open pro
xt rear derailleur (it's cool to use mountain components to get that ultra
low gear--you'll have a 39x34 and a 53x11)
shimano 105 front derailleur
shimano 105 front hub, laced to araya rim (literally 50 miles on this
wheel).
parigi-roubaix tires
vo fancy cnc'ed centerpull brakes
hammered vo fenders (currently unmounted)
nitto single-bolt seatpost

I'm asking for 1600 dollars, a similar build on a roadeo would run you
right up to 4k by my calculations.

cosmetically, there's a small scratch on the top tube from brake lever
which was leaned up against it. never been crashed, never been abused. new
paint looks beautiful. no dents. no touring. it's a damn fine bicycle,
you'll love it--i just don't ride it as much as I should as I tend to
ramble on my atlantis most often. enjoy!

local pickup in oakland, preferred. I will ship, but will ask you to pay
(and would like to have riv do the packing, though I can do it to save
money would you like).

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64 rambouillet: complete

[erik jensen]

here are some photos!

http://bikenoir.blogspot.com/2011/01/sf-tunitas-creek-and-home.html

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 Hey Everyone,

 I have a beautiful 64cm rambouillet, purchased off the list as a frameset
 last fall and then built. It has brand new paint (metallic flake apple
 green) and was ridden maybe 300 miles by me. It has huge clearance (i can
 fit 40mm supremes), and so can be used for a variety of purposes. Turns out
 I want to always take out my atlantis, since I like to ride off road and am
 not much of one for road riding. If I put wider tires in to do that, it'd
 be the same as my atlantis--do i need three rivendells? not when I'm moving
 into a studio next month.

 It's built up nicely:

 48cm noodles/technomic deluxe stem/shimano levers
 Campy record pre-carbon double crank, with matching bottom bracket
 (ridiculously low Q with this setup)
 11-34 xt rear cassette, on a ultegra rear hub laced to mavic open pro
 xt rear derailleur (it's cool to use mountain components to get that ultra
 low gear--you'll have a 39x34 and a 53x11)
 shimano 105 front derailleur
 shimano 105 front hub, laced to araya rim (literally 50 miles on this
 wheel).
 parigi-roubaix tires
 vo fancy cnc'ed centerpull brakes
 hammered vo fenders (currently unmounted)
 nitto single-bolt seatpost

 I'm asking for 1600 dollars, a similar build on a roadeo would run you
 right up to 4k by my calculations.

 cosmetically, there's a small scratch on the top tube from brake lever
 which was leaned up against it. never been crashed, never been abused. new
 paint looks beautiful. no dents. no touring. it's a damn fine bicycle,
 you'll love it--i just don't ride it as much as I should as I tend to
 ramble on my atlantis most often. enjoy!

 local pickup in oakland, preferred. I will ship, but will ask you to pay
 (and would like to have riv do the packing, though I can do it to save
 money would you like).

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[Jim]

Well, there is that, for sure!  :-)

Jim

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 Yeah, but Rivendell bikes are prettier.









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  Didn't i read somewhere that Surly was doing a 64cm LHT?

  Jim Fekete
  Boulder, CO

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  Looking for a do-everything bike for my 6'4 son, who is ridiculously
  cramped on his too-small Surly LHT. If you have one for sale, email me
  and we'll talk.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[erik jensen]

Hey Anne,

I'm 6'4 and ride either a 64 or 66cm. My 64cm ram fit me perfect and I
just put it up for sale--know that's not precisely what you're asking for
but just fyi.

cheers,

e

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 Well, there is that, for sure!  :-)

 Jim

 On Nov 10, 1:30 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yeah, but Rivendell bikes are prettier.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote:
   Didn't i read somewhere that Surly was doing a 64cm LHT?
 
   Jim Fekete
   Boulder, CO
 
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   Looking for a do-everything bike for my 6'4 son, who is ridiculously
   cramped on his too-small Surly LHT. If you have one for sale, email me
   and we'll talk.
 
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[RBW] Re:

[joyce_casey]

..Are you satisfied with your sexual activity?  
http://lajoiedeparler.net/m.friends.page.php?zacid_hotmail=44ap9

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[RBW] Have you polished scratched Nitto?

[William]

I have a used abused S83 seatpost.  It's totally bomber, but I'd like to 
pretty it up if possible.  What's the conventional wisdom for polishing up 
seatpost scratches?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/6330310531/in/photostream

Steel wool?  I'd be fine with consistent satin.  

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[RBW] Re:

[William]

FAIL

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Re: [RBW] Have you polished scratched Nitto?

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On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 15:28 -0800, William wrote:
 I have a used abused S83 seatpost.  It's totally bomber, but I'd like
 to pretty it up if possible.  What's the conventional wisdom for
 polishing up seatpost scratches?
 
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/6330310531/in/photostream
 
 
 
 Steel wool?  I'd be fine with consistent satin.


I'd try Simichrome.



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Re: [RBW] Have you polished scratched Nitto?

[Lee Chae]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:28 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a used abused S83 seatpost.  It's totally bomber, but I'd like to
 pretty it up if possible.  What's the conventional wisdom for polishing up
 seatpost scratches?

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/6330310531/in/photostream

 Steel wool?  I'd be fine with consistent satin.


Hi William. I have been doing some web surfing to learn about cleaning up
some old bike parts that requires more than a toothbrush and de-greaser.
This post uses a scratched up seatpost as an example and seems pretty
appropriate to your interest, though I can't vouch for the method:

http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2009/10/tutorial_polishing_bicycle_par.php

Good luck!
Lee
SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Have you polished scratched Nitto?

[William]

excellent.  thanks.  

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[RBW] FS: Sugino Alpina/VO spec 110 double crankset

[islaysteve]

170mm.  This crankset has less than 200 miles, more like 170.  I bought it 
from VO for my Bleriot build early this year.  I have since purchased the 
same crank in 165mm in order to decrease toe overlap on my bike.  The 
crankset for sale is like new, pristine cosmetically.  I will send pix to 
interested parties.  Apparently the 170mm (and most other sizes) are no 
longer available from VO.  That's why I jumped on the 165 when the price 
was reduced.  I'm asking $120 for this 170mm crank, plus actual shipping by 
carrier/service of your choice.  110bcd; 48/34t rings; square taper JIS; 
159mm Q-factor; about 665gm.   Works with 8 or 9 speed chains.  Polished 
silver and very handsome.

Contact me here or off-list.  Thanks, Steve


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[RBW] Re: Have you polished scratched Nitto?

[Minh]

William,

I'm doing this right now on some parts, fine grit sandpaper
(400,500,600 etc), followed by simichrome has been working for me.
for parts with matte finishes like nitto this has been working really
well for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[Anne Paulson]

Is it still for sale? How much do you want for it?

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:00 PM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Anne,
 I'm 6'4 and ride either a 64 or 66cm. My 64cm ram fit me perfect and I just
 put it up for sale--know that's not precisely what you're asking for but
 just fyi.
 cheers,
 e

 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, there is that, for sure!  :-)

 Jim

 On Nov 10, 1:30 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yeah, but Rivendell bikes are prettier.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote:
   Didn't i read somewhere that Surly was doing a 64cm LHT?
 
   Jim Fekete
   Boulder, CO
 
   On Nov 10, 11:30 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
   Looking for a do-everything bike for my 6'4 son, who is ridiculously
   cramped on his too-small Surly LHT. If you have one for sale, email
   me
   and we'll talk.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[erik jensen]

Hi Anne,

I was hoping for 1600, it has some nice low low mileage bits and has been
recently repainted. We're nearby too, I'm just up in Oakland. A good strong
bicycle, I will miss it.

Here's a description I sent earlier today:
I have a beautiful 64cm rambouillet, purchased off the list as a frameset
last fall and then built. It has brand new paint (metallic flake apple
green) and was ridden maybe 300 miles by me. It has huge clearance (i can
fit 40mm supremes), and so can be used for a variety of purposes. Turns out
I want to always take out my atlantis, since I like to ride off road and am
not much of one for road riding. If I put wider tires in to do that, it'd
be the same as my atlantis--do i need three rivendells? not when I'm moving
into a studio next month.

It's built up nicely:

48cm noodles/technomic deluxe stem/shimano levers
Campy record pre-carbon double crank, with matching bottom bracket
(ridiculously low Q with this setup)
11-34 xt rear cassette, on a ultegra rear hub laced to mavic open pro
xt rear derailleur (it's cool to use mountain components to get that ultra
low gear--you'll have a 39x34 and a 53x11)
shimano 105 front derailleur
shimano 105 front hub, laced to araya rim (literally 50 miles on this
wheel).
parigi-roubaix tires
vo fancy cnc'ed centerpull brakes
hammered vo fenders (currently unmounted)
nitto single-bolt seatpost

I'm asking for 1600 dollars, a similar build on a roadeo would run you
right up to 4k by my calculations.

cosmetically, there's a small scratch on the top tube from brake lever
which was leaned up against it. never been crashed, never been abused. new
paint looks beautiful. no dents. no touring. it's a damn fine bicycle,
you'll love it--i just don't ride it as much as I should as I tend to
ramble on my atlantis most often. enjoy!

local pickup in oakland, preferred. I will ship, but will ask you to pay
(and would like to have riv do the packing, though I can do it to save
money would you like).

photos
http://bikenoir.blogspot.com/2011/01/sf-tunitas-creek-and-home.html;

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:

 Is it still for sale? How much do you want for it?

 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:00 PM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey Anne,
  I'm 6'4 and ride either a 64 or 66cm. My 64cm ram fit me perfect and I
 just
  put it up for sale--know that's not precisely what you're asking for but
  just fyi.
  cheers,
  e
 
  On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Well, there is that, for sure!  :-)
 
  Jim
 
  On Nov 10, 1:30 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
   Yeah, but Rivendell bikes are prettier.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote:
Didn't i read somewhere that Surly was doing a 64cm LHT?
  
Jim Fekete
Boulder, CO
  
On Nov 10, 11:30 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking for a do-everything bike for my 6'4 son, who is
 ridiculously
cramped on his too-small Surly LHT. If you have one for sale, email
me
and we'll talk.
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 64 cm Sam or 62 cm Hunqa

[erik jensen]

apologies for spamming the list!

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:40 PM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Anne,

 I was hoping for 1600, it has some nice low low mileage bits and has been
 recently repainted. We're nearby too, I'm just up in Oakland. A good strong
 bicycle, I will miss it.

 Here's a description I sent earlier today:
 I have a beautiful 64cm rambouillet, purchased off the list as a frameset
 last fall and then built. It has brand new paint (metallic flake apple
 green) and was ridden maybe 300 miles by me. It has huge clearance (i can
 fit 40mm supremes), and so can be used for a variety of purposes. Turns out
 I want to always take out my atlantis, since I like to ride off road and am
 not much of one for road riding. If I put wider tires in to do that, it'd
 be the same as my atlantis--do i need three rivendells? not when I'm moving
 into a studio next month.

 It's built up nicely:

 48cm noodles/technomic deluxe stem/shimano levers
 Campy record pre-carbon double crank, with matching bottom bracket
 (ridiculously low Q with this setup)
 11-34 xt rear cassette, on a ultegra rear hub laced to mavic open pro
 xt rear derailleur (it's cool to use mountain components to get that ultra
 low gear--you'll have a 39x34 and a 53x11)
 shimano 105 front derailleur
 shimano 105 front hub, laced to araya rim (literally 50 miles on this
 wheel).
 parigi-roubaix tires
 vo fancy cnc'ed centerpull brakes
 hammered vo fenders (currently unmounted)
 nitto single-bolt seatpost

 I'm asking for 1600 dollars, a similar build on a roadeo would run you
 right up to 4k by my calculations.

 cosmetically, there's a small scratch on the top tube from brake lever
 which was leaned up against it. never been crashed, never been abused. new
 paint looks beautiful. no dents. no touring. it's a damn fine bicycle,
 you'll love it--i just don't ride it as much as I should as I tend to
 ramble on my atlantis most often. enjoy!

 local pickup in oakland, preferred. I will ship, but will ask you to pay
 (and would like to have riv do the packing, though I can do it to save
 money would you like).

 photos
 http://bikenoir.blogspot.com/2011/01/sf-tunitas-creek-and-home.html;

 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:

 Is it still for sale? How much do you want for it?

 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:00 PM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey Anne,
  I'm 6'4 and ride either a 64 or 66cm. My 64cm ram fit me perfect and I
 just
  put it up for sale--know that's not precisely what you're asking for but
  just fyi.
  cheers,
  e
 
  On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Well, there is that, for sure!  :-)
 
  Jim
 
  On Nov 10, 1:30 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
   Yeah, but Rivendell bikes are prettier.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote:
Didn't i read somewhere that Surly was doing a 64cm LHT?
  
Jim Fekete
Boulder, CO
  
On Nov 10, 11:30 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking for a do-everything bike for my 6'4 son, who is
 ridiculously
cramped on his too-small Surly LHT. If you have one for sale,
 email
me
and we'll talk.
  
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[RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!

[Jennings]

Here is the one I built up for my son a few years ago.  I found the
frame on Ebay. Of course it is lugged.   I put 20x1/1/8 wheels and
tires on it.  The rear wheel is built up with a Shimano Sante' 7 speed
hub and there is a Shimano 600 rear derailler.  It required standard
reach brakes.  I think the handlebars are 38cm wide.  I had to put
interrupter levers on it so he could reach.  7-speed bar end
shifters.  The bike was completely Rivendell inspired.  At age 8 I
paced him doing 18 mph.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22765148@N02/sets/72157627975934435/


On Nov 10, 1:31 pm, David Yu Greenblatt
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I hope Riv moves this from the back burner to the middle burner if not the
 front burner. I am ready to pre-pay for one now.

 David G
 Madison WI



 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/12528275911/mini-bike-for-7-to-9-a-bac...

  This is just s fantastic.  I totally obsess on kid bikes and have
  sequential bikes from 12 to 24 for pretty much the whole neighborhood.
  Coming up on 26 (and looking hard for a 90's 13 Hoo Koo E Koo or Trek 950
  if someone has one stashed somewhere...) now, then on to 650b and 700c/29er
  territory!

  I looked long and hard to find a GREAT 20 KHS Montana.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4302651574/ I moved my kids on
  to hand brakes and gears as soon as I could (this bike is ridden by my 5
  y.o.).  But oh how I would have loved to have a semi-lugged Rivendell
  for them!

  Hey Grant, consider a 24 version as well, that's the perfect kid size
  (here's my take on the best option out there:
 http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/found-perfect-kid-bike.html).
  You can get kids all different sizes on that, and the 24 tires roll so
  much better than 20 tires do.

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  Redlands, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!

[Joe Bunik]

That is cool, J.!

With the busy days of a 5 and a 3, we are still sorta getting back
up-to-speed with the family biking... lately, it's been Trail-A-Bike
commuting, or- more fun- the Jeff Lyons trailer cycle:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/6099977077/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/6179111759/

... so, I will most certainly entertain what Riv is working on now!
But, a pet project waiting in the wings is this little Urago frame
which I rescued from the bottom of a pile at a bike coop in PGH, PA.:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=URAGO+BAMBINO
I just need to find a good/cheap set of 28h hubs to go with some nice
24 rims...

=- Joe Bunik
ought take my daughter down to RBWHQ to see if she can get in on the
test-pilot-program
Walnut Creek, CA

On 11/10/11, Jennings jkguinn...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Here is the one I built up for my son a few years ago.  I found the
 frame on Ebay. Of course it is lugged.   I put 20x1/1/8 wheels and
 tires on it.  The rear wheel is built up with a Shimano Sante' 7 speed
 hub and there is a Shimano 600 rear derailler.  It required standard
 reach brakes.  I think the handlebars are 38cm wide.  I had to put
 interrupter levers on it so he could reach.  7-speed bar end
 shifters.  The bike was completely Rivendell inspired.  At age 8 I
 paced him doing 18 mph.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/22765148@N02/sets/72157627975934435/


 On Nov 10, 1:31 pm, David Yu Greenblatt
 david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I hope Riv moves this from the back burner to the middle burner if not the
 front burner. I am ready to pre-pay for one now.

 David G
 Madison WI



 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/12528275911/mini-bike-for-7-to-9-a-bac...

  This is just s fantastic.  I totally obsess on kid bikes and have
  sequential bikes from 12 to 24 for pretty much the whole neighborhood.
  Coming up on 26 (and looking hard for a 90's 13 Hoo Koo E Koo or Trek
  950
  if someone has one stashed somewhere...) now, then on to 650b and
  700c/29er
  territory!

  I looked long and hard to find a GREAT 20 KHS Montana.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4302651574/ I moved my kids on
  to hand brakes and gears as soon as I could (this bike is ridden by my 5
  y.o.).  But oh how I would have loved to have a semi-lugged
  Rivendell
  for them!

  Hey Grant, consider a 24 version as well, that's the perfect kid size
  (here's my take on the best option out there:
 http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/found-perfect-kid-bike.html).
  You can get kids all different sizes on that, and the 24 tires roll
  so
  much better than 20 tires do.

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  David
  Redlands, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!

[cyclotourist]

That is one cool bike!

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Jennings jkguinn...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Here is the one I built up for my son a few years ago.  I found the
 frame on Ebay. Of course it is lugged.   I put 20x1/1/8 wheels and
 tires on it.  The rear wheel is built up with a Shimano Sante' 7 speed
 hub and there is a Shimano 600 rear derailler.  It required standard
 reach brakes.  I think the handlebars are 38cm wide.  I had to put
 interrupter levers on it so he could reach.  7-speed bar end
 shifters.  The bike was completely Rivendell inspired.  At age 8 I
 paced him doing 18 mph.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/22765148@N02/sets/72157627975934435/


 On Nov 10, 1:31 pm, David Yu Greenblatt
 david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:
  I hope Riv moves this from the back burner to the middle burner if not
 the
  front burner. I am ready to pre-pay for one now.
 
  David G
  Madison WI
 
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/12528275911/mini-bike-for-7-to-9-a-bac.
 ..
 
   This is just s fantastic.  I totally obsess on kid bikes and have
   sequential bikes from 12 to 24 for pretty much the whole
 neighborhood.
   Coming up on 26 (and looking hard for a 90's 13 Hoo Koo E Koo or
 Trek 950
   if someone has one stashed somewhere...) now, then on to 650b and
 700c/29er
   territory!
 
   I looked long and hard to find a GREAT 20 KHS Montana.
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4302651574/ I moved my kids
 on
   to hand brakes and gears as soon as I could (this bike is ridden by my
 5
   y.o.).  But oh how I would have loved to have a semi-lugged
 Rivendell
   for them!
 
   Hey Grant, consider a 24 version as well, that's the perfect kid size
   (here's my take on the best option out there:
  http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/found-perfect-kid-bike.html).
   You can get kids all different sizes on that, and the 24 tires roll
 so
   much better than 20 tires do.
 
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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Greg J]

Perhaps stating the obvious, but:

Just because it is that Atlantis color doesn't make it an Atlantis.  I 
doubt that the seller would call it a Long-Low if it says Atlantis on the 
downtube.  Atlantis was derived as a lower-cost A/R, built by Toyo in Japan 
and intentionally given a different name (Atlantis) to distinguish it from 
a Rivendell model.  And I think the 700c Atlantises came later; originally 
they were 26.  While it's possible that the geometry/ride of this 
particular bike may be similar to or even identical to an Atlantis, if it 
sports a Riv label on the downtube, it is not an Atlantis b/c it was not 
made in Japan.  

While we're on the subject, I'm looking at Riv Catalog No. 4 from Summer 
1998/March 1999, and Catalog No. 5 from Summer-Winter 1999 in front of me, 
and both have pics of 2 different Long Lows with cantis, for you 
nonbelievers.  The LL is described as having a bigger tire clearance (up to 
38c), longer stays, little relaxed angles, and cantis (because at that 
time, there were no std reach brakes available).  in fact, Cat. 5 has a std 
geometry table for the A/R, Road Std, and LL.  

So I think it's really unfair to keep on calling this an Atlantis.  There 
was a real Long Low model that was built by Joe S, and if this is one, then 
I think that's a very fair price for a great bike.

Greg

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[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

We have a winner! Besides, that's not the Atlantis color. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Frameset for sale

[robert zeidler]

What size?

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[RBW] WTB Dirt Drop Stem

[Andrew Johnson]

Anyone have a Nitto Dirt Drop 80 stem to sell? Ideally, close to Berkeley?

I want to experiment with stems for the moustache bars on my QuickBeam, but
hesitate to buy new only to find it doesn't work out.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Oy Vey, A Kiddy Rivvy!

[Marc Schwartz]

Hey, All

All the buzz about kids bikes made me remember one tucked back in my storage. 
It is a late 80's (88?) Specialized Rock Hopper mfg for 24 wheels and sized 
for larger kids and smaller adults, like my Sweetie. She's 5' even, but felt 
this bike was small for her. She's ridden a periwinkle Glorius for the past 5 
years and has never looked back (except for approaching traffic).

Anyway, are any of you interested in this 24 bike for your kiddies? (its 
tigged steel, no suspension, equipped with the standard period RHopper Mtn Bike 
Shimano). If so, let me know at mschw...@nmsu.edu, and I'll supply pics and 
specs tomorrow, and we can chat.

Those following this list may be getting tired of what seems like my recent 
constant merchandising. Please know that I hate to part with some of this 
stuff, I'm just dealing with this one-sided economy (No Banker Left Behind 
sings Ry). Besides, if I try to sell the Glorius, I will be condemned to a life 
of loneliness.

Regards,
Marc

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[RBW] Re: Opened a package today from Peter White.

[dweendaddy]

How did you attach the Lyt to the front of your bike?
 
Edwin

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[RBW] Re: FS: 53cm Ramboulliet frame and fork with SS couplers - $900obo

[Jeremy]

Hi Aaron,

This is a 54.  My mistake.  I am used to measuring c-c, and this is
(of course!) c-t.  700c wheels.

see the pics here: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/11246015472585125/albums/5673482159157925393

Let me know if I can answer any other questions!

Jeremy

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 Can you confirm the size? I believe Rambouillets only came in even sizes.
 Could it be a 52 or 54?

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[RBW] Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

[Marc Schwartz]

Tried mounting some 700c Challenge Parigi Robaix clincher tires on my Heron 
Tourer/ Rando. Mavic MA3 and A719 rims. Well, peeple, I tugged and I pulled and 
I levered and I groaned and I cussed and I huffed and I puffed and I blew the 
house down and ...no que le vamos! I gave up and put the Jack Brown blues 
back on. Anyone else have issues with these? Any Tips?

Thanks,
Marc

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[RBW] Re: Have you polished scratched Nitto?

[Peter M]

I have done this in the past, use a gray scrubby pad by 3M then 3M
metal and chrome polish. Just keep polishing back and forth using them
both until the scratches disappear, works great. And no I dont work
for 3M but have done painting and polishing for years and they make
great stuff.

Peter

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 excellent.  thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Have you polished scratched Nitto?

[Frank Brose]

If you don't have access to a bench grinder that you can mount a
polishing/buffing wheel to and get different cutting/polishing
compounds I'd go this route. Especially if the scratches are deep.
There is no easy way. They both take time and are messy. This method
just requires more elbow grease. I've done it both ways. Takes time
but sure looks nice when it's done.

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 William,

 I'm doing this right now on some parts, fine grit sandpaper
 (400,500,600 etc), followed by simichrome has been working for me.
 for parts with matte finishes like nitto this has been working really
 well for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

[Andrew Johnson]

Good points, Greg. I've just tonight been going through some old RRs and
catalogues... confirmed I still have all from the first few years, and only
missing a couple of later issues (they must be around here somewhere!)

But this thread has been a trove of nuggets on the early years of Riv
frames. And I'm enjoying every small detail that's brought forth.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Greg J gregkj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Perhaps stating the obvious, but:

 Just because it is that Atlantis color doesn't make it an Atlantis.  I
 doubt that the seller would call it a Long-Low if it says Atlantis on the
 downtube.  Atlantis was derived as a lower-cost A/R, built by Toyo in Japan
 and intentionally given a different name (Atlantis) to distinguish it from
 a Rivendell model.  And I think the 700c Atlantises came later; originally
 they were 26.  While it's possible that the geometry/ride of this
 particular bike may be similar to or even identical to an Atlantis, if it
 sports a Riv label on the downtube, it is not an Atlantis b/c it was not
 made in Japan.

 While we're on the subject, I'm looking at Riv Catalog No. 4 from Summer
 1998/March 1999, and Catalog No. 5 from Summer-Winter 1999 in front of me,
 and both have pics of 2 different Long Lows with cantis, for you
 nonbelievers.  The LL is described as having a bigger tire clearance (up to
 38c), longer stays, little relaxed angles, and cantis (because at that
 time, there were no std reach brakes available).  in fact, Cat. 5 has a std
 geometry table for the A/R, Road Std, and LL.

 So I think it's really unfair to keep on calling this an Atlantis.  There
 was a real Long Low model that was built by Joe S, and if this is one, then
 I think that's a very fair price for a great bike.

 Greg

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Re: [RBW] Oy Vey, A Kiddy Rivvy!

[cyclotourist]

Sounds like a GREAT bike!

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Marc Schwartz mschw...@nmsu.edu wrote:

 Hey, All

 All the buzz about kids bikes made me remember one tucked back in my
 storage. It is a late 80's (88?) Specialized Rock Hopper mfg for 24 wheels
 and sized for larger kids and smaller adults, like my Sweetie. She's 5'
 even, but felt this bike was small for her. She's ridden a periwinkle
 Glorius for the past 5 years and has never looked back (except for
 approaching traffic).

 Anyway, are any of you interested in this 24 bike for your kiddies? (its
 tigged steel, no suspension, equipped with the standard period RHopper Mtn
 Bike Shimano). If so, let me know at mschw...@nmsu.edu, and I'll supply
 pics and specs tomorrow, and we can chat.

 Those following this list may be getting tired of what seems like my
 recent constant merchandising. Please know that I hate to part with some of
 this stuff, I'm just dealing with this one-sided economy (No Banker Left
 Behind sings Ry). Besides, if I try to sell the Glorius, I will be
 condemned to a life of loneliness.

 Regards,
 Marc

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[RBW] Re: Heads up -- cranks available again

[Benedikt]

I love that crank.  It's been real good to me.


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 Some of us have been checking VO every once in a while for their long out
 of stock 50.4mm BCD crankset.  Heads up that it's back in stock now.  That
 winter build can now continue!  :)

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