Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
My experience with seat bags is that they essentially do not affect handling in any way I can detect. Rear rack trunks OTOH cause problems nearly no matter what. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:11 PM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: I'll echo Patrick's observation. My Riv custom is my most favorite handling bike of all time. I have a Tournesol that's a front loader and fun to ride but takes more concentration than the Riv. That having been said, once I ride either bike for several days in a row I get totally accommodated to how they handle. My experience with my Riv is that it is very happy with a seat bag. In addition to the seat bag I often add a bar tube and carry something less than 10 lbs in the bar bag with minimal impact on handling. I may not be particularly sensitive to handling nuances. My theory is, ride what you brung. -JimD On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:59 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: This was my experience exactly on the Sam Hillborne, both with all the weight (no more than 35 lb in my case) in the back and even worse when some of that weight was in the front in a bar bag (Ostrich, firmly attached by decaleur to stem and front rack). Front low riders did slow the flop a bit but made the steering feel very sluggish -- very *oddly* sluggish with 30 lb divided evenly between the two: it was very hard to initiate a turn!. My own solutions was to sell the Sam Hill and buy a Fargo, which handles unobjectionably in all loaded conditions; but of course that is rather drastic. I personally would also be interested in others' suggestions for solutions. I expect finding the right mix of front/rear and high/low is one area to investigate? Jan's experience of feeling more confident in mid, fast turn with a low trail bike is interesting; perhaps it's simply lack of experience with either or both kinds, but my own impression is that higher trail corner as on rails bikes (Rivs) feel more confidence inspiring than the Herse -- not that the Herse is bad, just not ideal -- it takes more concentration; one is not as blithely and unconcernedly ready to let the bike go. Now the trike seems to handle the same with or without a front load. (That's a joke, Steve -- tho' it's true.) On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:05 AM, allenmichael allenmich...@mac.comwrote: I just did my first tour this past summer on a 56 Atlantis. The Atlantis was terrific except for climbing at very low speeds. I was carrying a lot of weight, about 65 lbs., and some of it was on the front. I had a riv high rider nitto rack with two loaded panniers and my wife's sleeping pad riding up there. At low speed, almost no speed, the front tire (and all of the front weight) kept wanting to flop over. The worst part of the trip, by far, was fighting with this weight and trying to keep the bike on the road under these conditions. To the point where I don't think I would take this bike again if I had to carry so much weight. Any suggestions, apart from carrying less weight or balancing it better or loading it lower? Other bikes? Other handlebar set-ups (I had noodle drop bars, just above the saddle)? Other tires (I had 1.75 Marathon Plus)? Thanks, Michael Allen -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Movie - A Boy Finds His Bicycle
Four thumbs up! It should be a smash at the Cannes film festival! On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Amit Singh wrote: I just published a new (my first!) movie (trailer) to my MobileMe Gallery that I'd like to share with you. Click the link below to check it out. A Boy Finds His Bicycle http://gallery.me.com/infinitus/100023 Enjoy the movie trailer! Ah, and as we all prepare to sit down with our families and break bread, I want to wish you a safe and joyous Thanksgiving! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 4 Messages in 3 Topics
absolutely loved the movie trailer! Hank Greenblatt Washingtonville , NY On Nov 24, 2011, at 8:53 AM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/topics New Movie - A Boy Finds His Bicycle [2 Updates] Noticed anything different about front bag handling [1 Update] FS: 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 (Pepper Grey Metallic) 52cm [1 Update] New Movie - A Boy Finds His Bicycle Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com Nov 23 09:24PM -0800 I just published a new (my first!) movie (trailer) to my MobileMe Gallery that I'd like to share with you. Click the link below to check it out. A Boy Finds His Bicycle http://gallery.me.com/infinitus/100023 Enjoy the movie trailer! Ah, and as we all prepare to sit down with our families and break bread, I want to wish you a safe and joyous Thanksgiving! William Pustow bpus...@aol.com Nov 24 08:13AM -0500 Four thumbs up! It should be a smash at the Cannes film festival! On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Amit Singh wrote: Noticed anything different about front bag handling Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com Nov 24 07:17AM -0500 My experience with seat bags is that they essentially do not affect handling in any way I can detect. Rear rack trunks OTOH cause problems nearly no matter what. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA FS: 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 (Pepper Grey Metallic) 52cm Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net Nov 23 04:43PM -0800 I am taking this off the market. I am not sure I want to get rid of it. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group rbw-owners-bunch. You can post via email. To unsubscribe from this group, send an empty message. For more options, visit this group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Movie - A Boy Finds His Bicycle
Go, Amit! Now that I've poured through the Rivendell Flickr Pool numerous times, I find that I'm enjoying photos (and videos) of bikes being used, or at least with their owners, more and more. Usable bikes being used, or something like that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Movie - A Boy Finds His Bicycle
That is a very big boy! Can't wait to see the film. Tom Dusky Huntington Woods, Mi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 (Pepper Grey Metallic) 52cm
Smart man! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XT0ToYgmjkcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Atlantis Sighting in Pittsburgh
I know lots of Riv riders hereabouts who aren't on this list, or at least never post to this list. Furthermore, I know a handful of Riv riders who don't even really know about Rivendell, just that they like their Rivendell bikes. The regulars on the list can't be more than, I dunno, 40 or 50 people? By now, there are several thousand Rivendells riding around! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kJ7QrSTk_GAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
On Nov 23, 10:47 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Imagine trying to carry a heavy backpack. You lean forward. When you remove the backpack, while still leaning forward, you fall over. On the other hand, when you add a backpack and don't lean forward, you also fall over. So does the backpack help or hurt your balance? It's neither, the backpack is part of the system that balances. Trying to add a backpack without changing the other variables (lean angle forward/back) does not work well. I like that metaphor. Thanks for that. Have you used that one before? I'd never heard it before. It came to me as I was thinking about how to explain the load being a factor. That is what I like about online discussions - they get you to think about things in different ways. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
On Nov 24, 4:17 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: My experience with seat bags is that they essentially do not affect handling in any way I can detect. Except when you rise out of the saddle. Then, the load is unsupported, and tends to be the tail wagging the bike. But that applies to all rear loads, including panniers. Rear low-riders perhaps have the least effect in that situation, as they are so low that you don't move them much as you move the bike from side to side. (But rear low-riders, being so far back, have other issues that make them a good choice only if you carefully balance your weight distribution when loading the bike.) Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 58 cm Tournesol Sportif
Hi All, Not Riv content, but some of the parts are from there... Unfortunately my schedule and small child is not going to allow me to commute for the forseeable future. It's no use sitting in my basement, so I'm selling my Tournesol Sportif. I received it Sept 2009, and have probably ridden it 8k miles or so. I'll take new photos this weekend, but here is a link to some photos from about a year ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/87558561@N00/4180333430/ I can email the geometry drawing to you if you're interested. TT 58 cm cc, ST 60 cm cc, HT 19.2 cm, 72.5 STA, 72 HTA, 42.5 CS. Saddle height is 77 cm in the photos, drop is around 6 cm. Rene Singer lugs, unknown tubing mix. There are a few changes to the setup and not a standard parts group, so here's the list of components: Nitto Pearl 10 cm stem, Oval Concepts Deep 42 cm bars, Shimano brake levers to brazed on polished Paul Racers and VO straddle cable wheels. That's a logoless CK threaded headset too... Ultegra seatpost, white and black Fizik Antares saddle Drivetrain is the mashup of Simplex downtube shifters and fd, Campy Centaur 175 mm compact crankset (with proper spacers for the 7 spd chain), older shimano rd, and a couple freewheels. It works great. Wheelset is 130 mm spaced Phil Wood freewheel hub (36h) and Schmidt dynohub (32h) laced with db spokes to polished Sun CR18 rims. The rims are two years old and the rear has a dent, so I will include the new pair of silver Velocity A23 rims and a new pair of Grand Bois tires. I had the original wheels built for bombproof commuting, but I was planning on lightening things up a bit. The cool details are the custom CPG brazed on taillight, the eDelux headlight, the painted to match topeak pump, the custom rack and decaleur to hold the Berthoud bag rock steady. 40 mm Honjo fenders (now with a stairtread mudflap) keep you dry. I'll throw in the Nitto cages if you want, but no pedals. The bike has been used, but is in good shape with only a few minor chips. No dents. The gray color (stolen from IF's catalog) was chosen to be low maintenence for commuting, but it has some metallic in it to add some depth in the sun. I can tell you all the little quirks but would prefer to not list them here. None of them are that big of a deal, but I want to provide full disclosure. I'll pack it well myself and it will arrive safely. I don't really know how much this is worth. If you add everything up you get around 6k, but as Steve will tell you it's making everything work together that's the real pain. I'm thinking $3600 shipped, open to reasonable offers. I'm happy to answer any questions. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Movie - A Boy Finds His Bicycle
Too funny... Perhaps it should be entitled, A Boy Finds His iMovie... On Nov 24, 9:32 am, tdusky tdu...@comcast.net wrote: That is a very big boy! Can't wait to see the film. Tom Dusky Huntington Woods, Mi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
I have a Carradice but haven't used it much yet. My usual saddle bags are 3-liter or so wedges, that are tightly coupled to the saddle. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: On Nov 24, 4:17 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: My experience with seat bags is that they essentially do not affect handling in any way I can detect. Except when you rise out of the saddle. Then, the load is unsupported, and tends to be the tail wagging the bike. But that applies to all rear loads, including panniers. Rear low-riders perhaps have the least effect in that situation, as they are so low that you don't move them much as you move the bike from side to side. (But rear low-riders, being so far back, have other issues that make them a good choice only if you carefully balance your weight distribution when loading the bike.) Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New bags at Soma
Not bad! These look remarkably similar to the Zimbale bags (at Harris: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/bags/zimbale.html), although for the same $ you can have your choice of size 7 or 11 liter. I have a Zimbale that is roughly 2 years old and I like the quality and looks. One can never have too many bag choices, though! Thx On Nov 23, 6:59 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I spotted two new canvas and leather bags at Soma Fab. They come in black only but look fairly nice to me. I have no idea where they are made. http://store.somafab.com/cakirobag.html ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
Large and heavily loaded saddlebags do wag but not horribly so; and, at least on the right bikes, rear panniers affect handling very little even with rather heavy loads: I was amazed, at least on one of my Rivs, the first one, at how well I could corner (eg, tight S bends across narrow wooden bridges on bike paths) with a rear load in panniers on a Tubus rack, and how easy it was, with even 40 lb (I weighed the load) to ride at 10 mph with no hands (faster was even easier). My later and present Riv commuter does not handle rear loads nearly as well, even though, unladen, it handes better. And I've owned at least one bike (that Fuji) that handled better with a 30 lb rear load than unladen. And it's not merely the stiffness of the frame. The Motobecane that I sold to Eric Norris was a very light 531 frame and a considerably lighter frame than that of the current Riv, yet it handled rear loads much better -- the rear *would* wag when I stood but only if the load was over 30 lb or so. I think that the cause is something about the frame geometry; and of course this all implies a stiff rack. *And* I never hand any problem with asymmetric loading -- I'd often carry 25 lb in just one rear pannier with no ill effect. I remember once carrying a 2' high stack of library books 10 miles, all stuffed into one very large rear pannier; this on an early Raleigh Technium that did waggle but not because of one-sided loading. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: On Nov 24, 4:17 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: My experience with seat bags is that they essentially do not affect handling in any way I can detect. Except when you rise out of the saddle. Then, the load is unsupported, and tends to be the tail wagging the bike. But that applies to all rear loads, including panniers. Rear low-riders perhaps have the least effect in that situation, as they are so low that you don't move them much as you move the bike from side to side. (But rear low-riders, being so far back, have other issues that make them a good choice only if you carefully balance your weight distribution when loading the bike.) Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
It really isn't low trail against every other trail. Yet you couldn't tell that from this thread. Down the line there are nothing but excuses and defiance of the experience of others. Many say their bikes ride great with medium to high trail and have no issues with front loads... Oh that's because you don't know ... The low trail (extra low) road bad at low speeds and bad at high speeds but I got used to it. The high trail is unnoticeable with front load... low trail folks yell... but if you ride low trail bike it's much better you just don't know it because you are used to it. Sheesh sounds like politicians.. no matter what low trail is the only way to go... now it's ohh saddle bags and rear loads are bad too.. if loose and you are sprinting, climbing blah blah and throwing the bike side to side ... throw a loose load on the front and throw the bike side to side... hell put a big loose load anywhere and throw it side to side... ohhh wait you'll get used to it. Kinda of reminds me of the cheating husband to his wife... are you going to believe me or your lying eyes The truth is some people prefer the handling of low trail bike and others medium and other high and some in-between... some want to take the way they ride and tweak trail, weight load, handlebar height, stem length, body weight, arm length, shoe size, and run formulas. Then there is a new racers (oh sorry randonneurs) routine to ride a bike... weight front bag, banana, nuts, rain coat... place 2 lbs packages at 10 mile intervals incase it rains and I need to replace weight of rain gear in front rack along the way.. (after all optimal performance on this bike is with 12.7779076 lbs front)Get the air pressure to exactly 40.1155576 lbs (new electronic air monitoring for tires will be out next year to update your home computer that will send snmp traps to you via email in case of fluctuation about 2.3357%) Ok... check.. I can ride my bike now and carve turns and feel like a really good race bike No Thank You.. I purchased a Rivendell as it handles front loads, rear loads, front and rear loads and doesn't need a load to feel great.. I check the tires once a week.. and carry what I need as an all around bicycle... I change handle bars, tires, bags etc often .. then join a Rivendell Owners group on the web to discuss and explore the wonderful uses of it.. only to have to defend not the bike but my own experience as someone else decides unilaterally that since they don't feel the same way I'm wrong... and no evidence from anyone is valid...they are just used to it and don't know. I'm sarcastic blunt and things make sense or they don't. Low trail sounds great the way Jan did it .. built the bike to be a performance (race machine) for a specific purpose.. He loves it. The bikes are beautiful and I'm sure they ride great and people get used to them just as Most bikes ride wonderfully and people get used to them. After all they are bicycles After all from the vast difference of experiences and not just opinions it's obvious that it's not just a trail thing. It's also true that there are trade offs in bike design. It may be true that low trail bikes with xyz handle a front load of x better than bike z with x amount of load at frame size k rider weight L and front to rear load weight M under N amount of power. It's not the answer to all loads though and writing off others experience is just tiring at best. Don't tell low trail bike owners they have a nice bike either... they know it already.. you were just to dumb to figure it out as quickly as they did. Guess we only need one bike geometry after all. FYI: this is not a personal attack on anyone no matter how much you may want to try and feel it is. Also no single sentence by itself above stands alone.. overall this is just stating in a sarcastic but honest statement of opinion based perceptions.. so far in this thread and others. It also goes back to my original notice to the original poster that I disagree with the instant assertion that front loads are bad for all but bike X because your bike can't handle it BS! Mine and others experience and knowledge of how our bikes handle are just as valid as others opinions. I don't argue or believe my bike is better than yours except for me, that is the same respect I expect / demand from you. If not I am sarcastic enough and a big enough asshole to be as obnoxious and oblivious to the truth as anyone just not as eloquent. Your friendly bear in the china shop Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/KYrH8-T-tx4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
Thanks, Kelly, for saying what many of us are probably thinking! Every hobby has a joyous geekery about it, and every hobby shared with like-mined enthusiasts always gets explored to its extremes. I think that's normal and, to some degree, part of the fun; but the fun bleeds right out of it when the discussions devolve into intellectual warfare. I think you are a very good representative of how bicycle enthusiasm ought to be enjoyed. A great number of folks on this groups make it about the minutia instead of the fundamental enjoyment. Having someone occasionally call bullshit! to the crowd is grounding and refreshing, and thank you for it. Dave On 11/24/2011 9:19 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: It really isn't low trail against every other trail. Yet you couldn't tell that from this thread. Down the line there are nothing but excuses and defiance of the experience of others. Many say their bikes ride great with medium to high trail and have no issues with front loads... Oh that's because you don't know ... The low trail (extra low) road bad at low speeds and bad at high speeds but I got used to it. The high trail is unnoticeable with front load... low trail folks yell... but if you ride low trail bike it's much better you just don't know it because you are used to it. Sheesh sounds like politicians.. no matter what low trail is the only way to go... now it's ohh saddle bags and rear loads are bad too.. if loose and you are sprinting, climbing blah blah and throwing the bike side to side ... throw a loose load on the front and throw the bike side to side... hell put a big loose load anywhere and throw it side to side... ohhh wait you'll get used to it. Kinda of reminds me of the cheating husband to his wife... are you going to believe me or your lying eyes The truth is some people prefer the handling of low trail bike and others medium and other high and some in-between... some want to take the way they ride and tweak trail, weight load, handlebar height, stem length, body weight, arm length, shoe size, and run formulas. Then there is a new racers (oh sorry randonneurs) routine to ride a bike... weight front bag, banana, nuts, rain coat... place 2 lbs packages at 10 mile intervals incase it rains and I need to replace weight of rain gear in front rack along the way.. (after all optimal performance on this bike is with 12.7779076 lbs front)Get the air pressure to exactly 40.1155576 lbs (new electronic air monitoring for tires will be out next year to update your home computer that will send snmp traps to you via email in case of fluctuation about 2.3357%) Ok... check.. I can ride my bike now and carve turns and feel like a really good race bike No Thank You.. I purchased a Rivendell as it handles front loads, rear loads, front and rear loads and doesn't need a load to feel great.. I check the tires once a week.. and carry what I need as an all around bicycle... I change handle bars, tires, bags etc often .. then join a Rivendell Owners group on the web to discuss and explore the wonderful uses of it.. only to have to defend not the bike but my own experience as someone else decides unilaterally that since they don't feel the same way I'm wrong... and no evidence from anyone is valid...they are just used to it and don't know. I'm sarcastic blunt and things make sense or they don't. Low trail sounds great the way Jan did it .. built the bike to be a performance (race machine) for a specific purpose.. He loves it. The bikes are beautiful and I'm sure they ride great and people get used to them just as Most bikes ride wonderfully and people get used to them. After all they are bicycles After all from the vast difference of experiences and not just opinions it's obvious that it's not just a trail thing. It's also true that there are trade offs in bike design. It may be true that low trail bikes with xyz handle a front load of x better than bike z with x amount of load at frame size k rider weight L and front to rear load weight M under N amount of power. It's not the answer to all loads though and writing off others experience is just tiring at best. Don't tell low trail bike owners they have a nice bike either... they know it already.. you were just to dumb to figure it out as quickly as they did. Guess we only need one bike geometry after all. FYI: this is not a personal attack on anyone no matter how much you may want to try and feel it is. Also no single sentence by itself above stands alone.. overall this is just stating in a sarcastic but honest statement of opinion based perceptions.. so far in this thread and others. It also goes back to my original notice to the original poster that I disagree with the instant assertion that front loads are bad for all but bike X because your bike can't handle it BS! Mine and others experience and knowledge of how our bikes handle are just as valid as
Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
I like bikes that ride differently. I like my front loader, I like my Saluki, I love my Riv custom. Not one of them rides like the other. All of then are fun. Shoot, I even like my Madone though I haven't ridden it in more than a year. For me it's a gestalt thing (to steal an R.Sach's perspective). -JimD On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: It really isn't low trail against every other trail. Yet you couldn't tell that from this thread. Down the line there are nothing but excuses and defiance of the experience of others. Many say their bikes ride great with medium to high trail and have no issues with front loads... Oh that's because you don't know ... The low trail (extra low) road bad at low speeds and bad at high speeds but I got used to it. The high trail is unnoticeable with front load... low trail folks yell... but if you ride low trail bike it's much better you just don't know it because you are used to it. Sheesh sounds like politicians.. no matter what low trail is the only way to go... now it's ohh saddle bags and rear loads are bad too.. if loose and you are sprinting, climbing blah blah and throwing the bike side to side ... throw a loose load on the front and throw the bike side to side... hell put a big loose load anywhere and throw it side to side... ohhh wait you'll get used to it. Kinda of reminds me of the cheating husband to his wife... are you going to believe me or your lying eyes The truth is some people prefer the handling of low trail bike and others medium and other high and some in-between... some want to take the way they ride and tweak trail, weight load, handlebar height, stem length, body weight, arm length, shoe size, and run formulas. Then there is a new racers (oh sorry randonneurs) routine to ride a bike... weight front bag, banana, nuts, rain coat... place 2 lbs packages at 10 mile intervals incase it rains and I need to replace weight of rain gear in front rack along the way.. (after all optimal performance on this bike is with 12.7779076 lbs front) Get the air pressure to exactly 40.1155576 lbs (new electronic air monitoring for tires will be out next year to update your home computer that will send snmp traps to you via email in case of fluctuation about 2.3357%) Ok... check.. I can ride my bike now and carve turns and feel like a really good race bike No Thank You.. I purchased a Rivendell as it handles front loads, rear loads, front and rear loads and doesn't need a load to feel great.. I check the tires once a week.. and carry what I need as an all around bicycle... I change handle bars, tires, bags etc often .. then join a Rivendell Owners group on the web to discuss and explore the wonderful uses of it.. only to have to defend not the bike but my own experience as someone else decides unilaterally that since they don't feel the same way I'm wrong... and no evidence from anyone is valid...they are just used to it and don't know. I'm sarcastic blunt and things make sense or they don't. Low trail sounds great the way Jan did it .. built the bike to be a performance (race machine) for a specific purpose.. He loves it. The bikes are beautiful and I'm sure they ride great and people get used to them just as Most bikes ride wonderfully and people get used to them. After all they are bicycles After all from the vast difference of experiences and not just opinions it's obvious that it's not just a trail thing. It's also true that there are trade offs in bike design. It may be true that low trail bikes with xyz handle a front load of x better than bike z with x amount of load at frame size k rider weight L and front to rear load weight M under N amount of power. It's not the answer to all loads though and writing off others experience is just tiring at best. Don't tell low trail bike owners they have a nice bike either... they know it already.. you were just to dumb to figure it out as quickly as they did. Guess we only need one bike geometry after all. FYI: this is not a personal attack on anyone no matter how much you may want to try and feel it is. Also no single sentence by itself above stands alone.. overall this is just stating in a sarcastic but honest statement of opinion based perceptions.. so far in this thread and others. It also goes back to my original notice to the original poster that I disagree with the instant assertion that front loads are bad for all but bike X because your bike can't handle it BS! Mine and others experience and knowledge of how our bikes handle are just as valid as others opinions. I don't argue or believe my bike is better than yours except for me, that is the same respect I expect / demand from you. If not I am sarcastic enough and a big enough asshole to be as obnoxious and oblivious to the truth as anyone just not
Re: [RBW] Noticed anything different about front bag handling
Hi, When I ordered my custom Rivendell back in 02 I requested braze-on mounts for a small front rack. I had to send a drawing to Grant to show where I thought the mounts needed to be. At this time I don't Rivendell had a request for such mounts. When I got the bike I eventually mounted a Berthoud front rack and handle bar bag. The Nitto Mark's rack was still years away. The handle bar bag I used was a small one. I did many rides with the set up and never liked it. The weight of the bag made the steering feel floppy. Especially going up hill. And when I got off the bike the bag would twist the front around; to me this was miserable. So I'd say adding a front bag to my Rivendell did indeed affect the handling - in a negative way. Perhaps the Rivendell does not have enough fork rake to offset the bag. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Jan Heine wrote: On Nov 23, 10:47 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Imagine trying to carry a heavy backpack. You lean forward. When you remove the backpack, while still leaning forward, you fall over. On the other hand, when you add a backpack and don't lean forward, you also fall over. So does the backpack help or hurt your balance? It's neither, the backpack is part of the system that balances. Trying to add a backpack without changing the other variables (lean angle forward/back) does not work well. I like that metaphor. Thanks for that. Have you used that one before? I'd never heard it before. It came to me as I was thinking about how to explain the load being a factor. That is what I like about online discussions - they get you to think about things in different ways. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Hillborne: Chicago
Hi Jim, Thanks for the information. The lock I used had the newer flat key not the cylinder type. More proof any lock can be defeated. I still plan to used multiple locks on the future. My best, Tim On Nov 23, 1:44 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 11/23/11 10:08 AM, tthomashardie at tthomashar...@gmail.com wrote: I used the modified Sheldon method, but through the seat stays rather than the chain stays. The front wheel had a locking skewer. I'm not sure how they got it. The lock was missing too. Some people on the forums suggest that they could have used brute force. Maybe pull-up in cargo van and smash the lock/core and drive off. I really don't know. I do know that true security is a myth and anything can get stolen. In the future I plan to start using two good locks. Sort of a pain to carry around, but it will take twice as long to rip off. An extra couple seconds or minutes could be as good a deterrent as anything. General locking instructions and theories have been covered well, and they all lead to the same conclusion - if you leave it locked, you may lose it. The longer it's left, the more likely the lift. The more you leave it in the same place each time, the more times a potential theif has to evaluate the coinditions. The best you can hope for is diverting a low-tech thief to another, less well defended bicycle. However, something in your description caught my eye, and it was a topic I was related to another person over the weekend - if you have a Kryptonite lock from 8-10 years ago with an open-end lock that uses a cylinder type key, they are prone to attacks with - believe it or not - a Bic pen cylinder (or similar - this is not a case of French constructeur superiority...). Basically, you can work the open end of the pen barrel into the lock and smoosh it around for a while until it pushes out the tumblers and then twist it around to open the lock. There was a well-travelled video of this, a subsequent recall from Kryptonite (pretty sure now discontinued) and much internet chatter. But, as I was helping a friend work on his son's bike, there it was - that prototypical krypto with that exact lock type. And he asked me if it was a good lock... This doesn't apply to the newer, middle of the hasp, slotted key types. - Jim All bikes weigh 40#'s. (Weight of bike) + (Weight of lock) = 40 -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Nigel did some work for some of the other riders at Allied, onces who still rode metal. He hadn't liked it when Chevette had gone for a paper frame. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Schmidt SON Classic 32 spoke 650B wheel, Deore XT cantis, Rivendell Baggins Saddlebag
I have a Peter White built front wheel with Schmidt SON Classic in silver, 32 spokes laced to a Velocity Synergy 650B rim, about 500 miles on it, excellent condition. Peter sells the hub at a closeout price of $200, I'd like $220 for the wheel. Seattle pickup only, please, I do not want to mess with shipping this. NOS Deore XT cantis Model SH-BRM737-R, (no stradle cable) $25 + shipping. 1 large (and I mean very large) Rivendell Baggins Saddlebag, well used but not abused. pics below, $90 + shipping. http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins1.jpg http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins2.jpg http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins3.jpg http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins4.jpg http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins5.jpg Thanks, David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Front Bag Handling: Shifty's Test Results
I appreciate eveyone's input regarding front bag handling. As Doug P. suggested, I apparently I opened up a vein in the process! The snow finally melted enough today in Minneapolis to test weight in the front with an old trunk rack shown here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/6392142867/ I filled the bag with 7-8 lbs. worth of stuff; rain jacket/pants, u-lock, tube, pump, air cartridge+inflator, multi-tool, wallet, phone and a second lock I didn't realize I had packed until half way into the ride. I later weighed everything at 7.5 lbs on a grocer's scale but it felt a lot heavier. http://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/6392143227/in/photostream/ First impressions were that the weight made the steering heavy so, it tracked nicely. The longer I rode however, the more annoyed I became with the heaviness in front, it was almost like wearing wrist weights. Yeah, the handling is slower but wow, the weight sucks all the joy out of my bikes typical ride handling. Verdict: HATE IT! Next, I put the bag back on the rack and because I only use this bag on our tandem, am annoyed by the high riding weight in back–kind of like when my wife isn't pedaling enough on our tandem...uh, hem. The front end is back to the lively handling that I prefer. I can live with the sluggish weight feel in back to get my steering more lively again. Verdict: LIKE IT! http://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/6392143619/in/photostream/ Lastly, I put about half the weight in my saddlebag and leave the rest in the front. Despite not liking my knees hitting the front bag on aggressive climbs, I really want a front bag to work for map viewing, occasional phone access and mainly, to grab food and clothing layers without stopping. Verdict: LOVE IT! To no great surprise, even distribution of weight is the Holy Grail for bike handling. For me, 4-5 lbs is the max I can tolerate up front for non-tour riding. Happy Thanksgiving to all, Shifty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fHUXoR8sAyQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Handsome XOXO 53cm New
yes Fred just the framset and headset. On Nov 23, 1:12 pm, yavo fyavor...@gmail.com wrote: Just the frame/fork/headset? Fred On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:00 PM, murphyjrfk murphyj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, thought i might offer this for sale up here before it sits in the basement for a while. i have a handsome cycles xoxo their xo 1 copy. it's pretty cool. funny thing is i got it because i thought a riv was always going to be unattainable. figured man this is sorta close. and then-well a gently used atlantis falls into my lap-(now my better half hates it cause i carry it around and make her look at it all the time- but that's ok). best bike day ever! anyways. i have this frame new never built just a ritchey headset itstalled now it's just sitting there. it's a neat bike. open to offers-obviously don't expect retail. or bridgestone prices! thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Fred Yavorsky Jenkintown, PAhttp://www.twistcomm.com/Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Nitto Campee Rack, Velo Orange Hub
Selling my Nitto Campee Rack. Detachable Low rider pannier racks. High Quality Fillet Brazed Welds Picture here - http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/modernfuturist/For%20Sale/ddd2505f.jpg $220 shipped Also selling a brand new Velo Orange 130mm rear spaced cassette freewheel hub. Picture here - http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/modernfuturist/For%20Sale/d92bd947.jpg $90 shipped E-mail me off list if interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Avocet 02 Air 40M Saddle
Avocet 02 Air 40M saddle, fantastic condition (logos are a little rubbed off). This is the more recent model. Pics on request. $90 shipped CONUS. Thanks, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
What he said.. On Nov 24, 2011, at 1:23 PM, David Faller wrote: . I purchased a Rivendell as it handles front loads, rear loads, front and rear loads and doesn't need a load to feel great.. I check the tires once a week.. and carry what I need as an all around bicycle... I change handle bars, tires, bags etc often .. then join a Rivendell Owners group on the web to discuss and explore the wonderful uses of it.. only to have to defend not the bike but my own experience as someone else decides unilaterally that since they don't feel the same way I'm wrong... and no evidence from anyone is valid...they are just used to it and don't know. I'm sarcastic blunt and things make sense or they don't. Low trail sounds great the way Jan did it .. built the bike to be a performance (race machine) for a specific purpose.. He loves it. The bikes are beautiful and I'm sure they ride great and people get used to them just as Most bikes ride wonderfully and people get used to them. After all they are bicycles After all from the vast difference of experiences and not just opinions it's obvious that it's not just a trail thing. It's also true that there are trade offs in bike design. It may be true that low trail bikes with xyz handle a front load of x better than bike z with x amount of load at frame size k rider weight L and front to rear load weight M under N amount of power. It's not the answer to all loads though and writing off others experience is just tiring at best. Don't tell low trail bike owners they have a nice bike either... they know it already.. you were just to dumb to figure it out as quickly as they did. Guess we only need one bike geometry after all. FYI: this is not a personal attack on anyone no matter how much you may want to try and feel it is. Also no single sentence by itself above stands alone.. overall this is just stating in a sarcastic but honest statement of opinion based perceptions.. so far in this thread and others. It also goes back to my original notice to the original poster that I disagree with the instant assertion that front loads are bad for all but bike X because your bike can't handle it BS! Mine and others experience and knowledge of how our bikes handle are just as valid as others opinions. I don't argue or believe my bike is better than yours except for me, that is the same respect I expect / demand from you. If not I am sarcastic enough and a big enough asshole to be as obnoxious and oblivious to the truth as anyone just not as eloquent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto Campee Rack, Velo Orange Hub
Irv, Is that a sweet Protovelo with the lugs of a Rivendell custom? Any photos of the whole bike? -Jim W. On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Irv wrote: Selling my Nitto Campee Rack. Detachable Low rider pannier racks. High Quality Fillet Brazed Welds Picture here - http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/modernfuturist/For%20Sale/ddd2505f.jpg $220 shipped Also selling a brand new Velo Orange 130mm rear spaced cassette freewheel hub. Picture here - http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/modernfuturist/For%20Sale/d92bd947.jpg $90 shipped E-mail me off list if interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 58 cm Tournesol Sportif
Sorry, I forgot to add: Michael Scholten Grand Rapids, MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] A well traveled topic: 650b or 700c Hilsen?
H folks- For reasons that are personal and non-important I'm looking at upgrading my Bleriot to a Hilsen. The practical aspects are the addition of DT shifters and my Bleriot always feels just a bit too small. I'm debating between the two Hisens 58 and 59 due to tire size. I have a fixed gear 650b city bike that I love and enjoyed the 650b on longer rides with the Bleirot. Perhaps I'm worrying too much but does it make sense to have my only (for now) two bikes be this tire size? Wouldn't. Diversity be a better thing? I feel lost! -justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_su55sDM4UgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A well traveled topic: 650b or 700c Hilsen?
I celebrate diversity. My Saluki is 650B and the Riv custom 700C. I find subtle differences between the two wheel sizes but nothing dramatic. So having the diversity has persuaded me that there isn't anything 'magic' about wheel size. Tire diameter and inflation pressure seem far more dramatic to me. Others feel differently and favor one wheel size over the other. If you go the diversity route you get to experience both sizes and formulate your own beliefs. With diversity comes complexity. If you want a generator hub you have to choose between wheel sizes. You need different replacement tubes. You can't swap wheels from one bike to the next. All food for thought. -JimD On Nov 24, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Justin August wrote: H folks- For reasons that are personal and non-important I'm looking at upgrading my Bleriot to a Hilsen. The practical aspects are the addition of DT shifters and my Bleriot always feels just a bit too small. I'm debating between the two Hisens 58 and 59 due to tire size. I have a fixed gear 650b city bike that I love and enjoyed the 650b on longer rides with the Bleirot. Perhaps I'm worrying too much but does it make sense to have my only (for now) two bikes be this tire size? Wouldn't. Diversity be a better thing? I feel lost! -justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_su55sDM4UgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Ot; Weightlifting; old school.
Greetings. I used to ride bikes but stopped totally a few months back to exclusively devote my spare time to becoming immensely strong; squat deadlift bench and overhead. I think aerobic exercise was wearing me down. I am eating a lot and getting strong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Ot; Weightlifting; old school.
You are correct about the OT part. On 11/24/2011 7:51 PM, Richard wrote: Greetings. I used to ride bikes but stopped totally a few months back to exclusively devote my spare time to becoming immensely strong; squat deadlift bench and overhead. I think aerobic exercise was wearing me down. I am eating a lot and getting strong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A well traveled topic: 650b or 700c Hilsen?
Remember you can run skinny 700c wheels on a 650B Hilsen http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5467655268/in/set-72157624977899459 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kinhl1hZvYcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A well traveled topic: 650b or 700c Hilsen?
I have two 650B's – a Saluki and a ProtoBleriot set up as a singlespeed. I do like having a dynohub wheel that can go back and forth between the two. But I must say that don't like the persistent tire limitations. There are only so many 650B tires. I had a heck of time finding a skinnyish (meaning 36 or less) knobbyish tire for winter use – try looking for a 650B that fits this bill. Not too many. But look for a 700? lots. Even look for a 27. Lots. Don't get me wrong; as a shorter person, I am in love with with my Saluki and Proto. But my next bike(s) will have common wheel sizes for the petrapocalypse. yours, liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A well traveled topic: 650b or 700c Hilsen?
I've got 27, 700c, 650B, and 26 inch bikes. Love them all but will let you know if I find the MAGICAL size..will keep searching. On Nov 24, 8:33 pm, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: I have two 650B's – a Saluki and a ProtoBleriot set up as a singlespeed. I do like having a dynohub wheel that can go back and forth between the two. But I must say that don't like the persistent tire limitations. There are only so many 650B tires. I had a heck of time finding a skinnyish (meaning 36 or less) knobbyish tire for winter use – try looking for a 650B that fits this bill. Not too many. But look for a 700? lots. Even look for a 27. Lots. Don't get me wrong; as a shorter person, I am in love with with my Saluki and Proto. But my next bike(s) will have common wheel sizes for the petrapocalypse. yours, liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Ot; Weightlifting; old school.
Interesting. I used to be immensely strong but now I just ride bikes. I eat a lot but just get fatter and weaker. On Nov 24, 7:51 pm, Richard sharpjewlaw...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings. I used to ride bikes but stopped totally a few months back to exclusively devote my spare time to becoming immensely strong; squat deadlift bench and overhead. I think aerobic exercise was wearing me down. I am eating a lot and getting strong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Ot; Weightlifting; old school.
My bikes rest against my squat cage, so I can't use it. Ryan On Nov 24, 9:19 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting. I used to be immensely strong but now I just ride bikes. I eat a lot but just get fatter and weaker. On Nov 24, 7:51 pm, Richard sharpjewlaw...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings. I used to ride bikes but stopped totally a few months back to exclusively devote my spare time to becoming immensely strong; squat deadlift bench and overhead. I think aerobic exercise was wearing me down. I am eating a lot and getting strong.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Hillborne: Chicago
Sorry to hear about your bike. I hope it turns up. I'm still waiting for the day, and I think it will be soon, when you can hide a GPS unit in the frame, bars, somewhere and track down your bike via your phone if it's missing. On Nov 23, 9:28 pm, tthomashardie tthomashar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim, Thanks for the information. The lock I used had the newer flat key not the cylinder type. More proof any lock can be defeated. I still plan to used multiple locks on the future. My best, Tim On Nov 23, 1:44 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 11/23/11 10:08 AM, tthomashardie at tthomashar...@gmail.com wrote: I used the modified Sheldon method, but through the seat stays rather than the chain stays. The front wheel had a locking skewer. I'm not sure how they got it. The lock was missing too. Some people on the forums suggest that they could have used brute force. Maybe pull-up in cargo van and smash the lock/core and drive off. I really don't know. I do know that true security is a myth and anything can get stolen. In the future I plan to start using two good locks. Sort of a pain to carry around, but it will take twice as long to rip off. An extra couple seconds or minutes could be as good a deterrent as anything. General locking instructions and theories have been covered well, and they all lead to the same conclusion - if you leave it locked, you may lose it. The longer it's left, the more likely the lift. The more you leave it in the same place each time, the more times a potential theif has to evaluate the coinditions. The best you can hope for is diverting a low-tech thief to another, less well defended bicycle. However, something in your description caught my eye, and it was a topic I was related to another person over the weekend - if you have a Kryptonite lock from 8-10 years ago with an open-end lock that uses a cylinder type key, they are prone to attacks with - believe it or not - a Bic pen cylinder (or similar - this is not a case of French constructeur superiority...). Basically, you can work the open end of the pen barrel into the lock and smoosh it around for a while until it pushes out the tumblers and then twist it around to open the lock. There was a well-travelled video of this, a subsequent recall from Kryptonite (pretty sure now discontinued) and much internet chatter. But, as I was helping a friend work on his son's bike, there it was - that prototypical krypto with that exact lock type. And he asked me if it was a good lock... This doesn't apply to the newer, middle of the hasp, slotted key types. - Jim All bikes weigh 40#'s. (Weight of bike) + (Weight of lock) = 40 -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Nigel did some work for some of the other riders at Allied, onces who still rode metal. He hadn't liked it when Chevette had gone for a paper frame. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
