[RBW] Re: Anyone tried adding a larger sprocket to a 7-speed cassette?
Just thought I'd update this thread in case someone else googles it up. I made the switch to a 7-speed 13–28 HG cassette plus a 36t sprocket and a SRAM 8-speed chain. To put it scientifically, I would say the drivetrain feels a bazillion times better. No more ghost shifting or chain skipping under load. The shift from the 28 to the 36 is just fine by my standards. I'm afraid it wasn't a very scientific experiment—aside from the new chain and cassette I also switched the bottom bracket cable guide, which didn't look like it was guiding the cables very smoothly (unless two 20° bends are a good thing), so that could have been partly responsible for the ghost shifting. Anyway, I'm happy and I won't be going back to 9 speed anytime soon. The 'frankencassette' looks bizarre with 7 black sprockets and the silver 36t, but I can't see it when I'm riding, as they say. Thanks again for the input! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8DY_ef-0XyAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Campagnolo cable guide 626/A on a Ram
I've never been a huge fan of how the derailer cables are routed underneath the bottom bracket of my Ram, due to the fact that they are just rubbing against the bare frame. Does anyone have any thoughts on using something like this Campy cable guide? http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=E553FEF8-9918-4B47-B24E-AE4603CBCB14 It attaches to the downtube and routes the cables above and to the side of the bottom bracket. However, from what I can find, it looks like it is sized for a 1 1/8 tube, while I believe the Ram down tube is 1 1/4. If that is indeed the case, could the guide possibly be made to squeeze out that extra 1/8? Thanks for any info, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
Weight is easily measured, but it's really not that important in itself. If I fill up three water bottles and add them to my bike, I've just added about 5 pounds, yet the bike feels the same most of the time. During normal riding, the extra 5 pounds are a non-issue. (I may feel the extra weight when I rise out of the saddle and throw the bike from side to side, or when I carry the bike into the basement, and it probably is measurable against the stopwatch on a long climb.) In summary, the overall bike weight is not very important. That doesn't mean that a heavy bike feels and rides the same as a lighter one. Here is why: If, during the design process of my bike, I added just half a pound to the frame of my bike by going to thicker tubing walls, by using larger tubing diameters, or by adding extra tubes, then my bike would feel radically different. Through almost a decade of testing at *Bicycle Quarterly*, we've found that frame flex characteristics, more than anything else, determine the feel of a bike. We tested this in a double-blind test, with three bikes that were identical, except one had thicker tubing walls. (Even the weights were equalized.) Two of our three testers could tell the bikes apart with 100% accuracy, and both strongly preferred the thinwall frames. This was despite the difference between the frames being very small - one was flexible by today's standards, the others were super-flexible. (I suspect that the third tester might have been able to tell the difference if we had tested bikes that were more dissimilar, for example, a Surly Long-Haul Trucker tubeset against that of a Roadeo.) So the weight of the frame often does impact the ride and performance, because it usually is inversely correlated with stiffness. We've also found that it's not the overall flex that matters as much as the balance of the frame. Traditional frames had evolved over decades of trial and error until they arrived at a formula that worked well: A relatively flexible top tube (usually 1/8 smaller in diameter than the down tube), a somewhat stiffer top tube, and very stiff (i.e., heavy and relatively short) chainstays. Most of today's best racing bikes are still built to that formula, and actually perform very well. Some of today's builders change that balance, for example, with oversize top tubes, but their bikes often don't perform as well as a result. If you are interested in this topic, I suggest looking at our blog's Journey of Discovery series, where we have more details on this: http://janheine.wordpress.com/category/a-journey-of-discovery/ and especially the entry on Frame Stiffness. There are other factors that influence your bike's performance and feel, most notably the resistance of the tires, your riding position (more upright makes it harder to put out power), and aerodynamics (of the rider, not the bike). Also, in the latest *Bicycle Quarterly*http://www.bikequarterly.com/current_issue.html, we tested two titanium race bikes with electronic shifting, and then compared their hillclimbing performance against a steel 650B randonneur bike with fenders, lights, and even a handlebar bag in a hillclimbing competition. The results were truly surprising and showed that factors other than weight are important in determining a bicycle's performance. It is important to remember that performance isn't everything. Not every bike is optimized for performance, and not every rider seeks out performance. It all depends on how you ride and what your priorities are. And different people seem to have different pedal strokes and sensitivities. Some riders can make almost any bike go, while others really benefit from a bike that is fine-tuned to their pedal stroke. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JbblnIbcfVYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Quickbeam BB length.
Can anyone tell me what came stock on their complete bike from Riv? Thanks Clyde -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is more fun in most ways. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote: I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front and rear Sackville bags. Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like crazy and *feels *incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there must be far more factors involved in the overall feel of each bike than I might have guessed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4hz-iWJpuXMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
As a reader pointed out, I should have said somewhat stiffer *down* tube instead of top tube below. On Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:33:31 AM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote: a formula that worked well: A relatively flexible top tube (usually 1/8 smaller in diameter than the down tube), a somewhat stiffer top tube, and very stiff (i.e., heavy and relatively short) chainstays. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NRpbdk34I8kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Campagnolo cable guide 626/A on a Ram
I have some experience using Campagnolo and other old-school clamp-on devices. I don't think the 1 1/8 clamp can be stretched to fit 1 1/4. The diameter of the circle the clamp would need to fit around is about .4 inches longer (do the math here: http://math.about.com/library/blcirclecalculator.htm), which is too long, even if you used a longer screw. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Jan 13, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote: I've never been a huge fan of how the derailer cables are routed underneath the bottom bracket of my Ram, due to the fact that they are just rubbing against the bare frame. Does anyone have any thoughts on using something like this Campy cable guide? http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=E553FEF8-9918-4B47-B24E-AE4603CBCB14 It attaches to the downtube and routes the cables above and to the side of the bottom bracket. However, from what I can find, it looks like it is sized for a 1 1/8 tube, while I believe the Ram down tube is 1 1/4. If that is indeed the case, could the guide possibly be made to squeeze out that extra 1/8? Thanks for any info, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 2013 Riding Plans anyone?
So far, beyond a few local charity rides, I,m planning; Riv Rally east,(if it happens), Midwest Riv Rally June Adventure Cycling (Minn) June Torch Lake Mi. July Fifties Forum Annual ride in Boston this year July 27 Week long trip from Montrieal to Mont Laurier and return July 29-Aug? Marc On Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:44:35 PM UTC-5, Noah Deuce wrote: Looking forward to seeing pictures and tales from everyone's rides! I've got lots of fun plans for 2013: Commuting to from Broomfield on a regular basis (13 miles one-way), then catching the bus the rest of the way to Denver for work; Anti-Epic Gravel Grinder in late-April; Various Rocky Mountain Randonneur populaires and brevets; Gold Rush Gravel Grinder in Spearfish, SD in early-June; Odin's Revenge in Gothenburg, NE in late-June; Gravel Worlds in Lincoln, NE in September. Also planning a multi-day bikepack over Rollins Pass to Winter Park, and then up along the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route to Steamboat Springs. Going to be a great year! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/KisvfCCuA6EJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Campagnolo cable guide 626/A on a Ram
I think more than a few of us may have been initially weirded-out by using the bottom bracket shell as a cable guide, but honestly it really doesn't make any difference. Friction is friction, and no one in the history of derailleurs has even sawn through their bottom bracket. What I and many others do is to put a couple inches of Teflon cable housing lining on the cables under the shell. They stay there just fine and provide a slick crud barrier for the cables, smooth out the shifting a hair, and take out the creepy thought of slowly, ever slowly, cutting into the shell. You'll need to keep an eye on it a couple times per year; the cable will eventually cut its way through the Teflon and you'll need to replace it. On 1/13/2013 6:06 AM, Steve Wimberg wrote: I've never been a huge fan of how the derailer cables are routed underneath the bottom bracket of my Ram, due to the fact that they are just rubbing against the bare frame. Does anyone have any thoughts on using something like this Campy cable guide? http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=E553FEF8-9918-4B47-B24E-AE4603CBCB14 It attaches to the downtube and routes the cables above and to the side of the bottom bracket. However, from what I can find, it looks like it is sized for a 1 1/8 tube, while I believe the Ram down tube is 1 1/4. If that is indeed the case, could the guide possibly be made to squeeze out that extra 1/8? Thanks for any info, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
Some 15 or 20 years ago I changed from a semi-custom Nobilette frame to a Gios Torino frame. The Gios was noticeably stiffer. When I did jumps (on either flats or hills) the Gios responded with more immediacy and directness than the Nobilette. With the Nobilette it seemed I could feel the frame flexing or winding up, and on the Gios the increase in effort seemed to go directly to rear wheels contact patch. My performance in races and group rides with local racing clubs was as good or better with the Gios. In my experience a stiffer frame does not necessarily imply reduced performance. I suspect that differences in riders physiques and pedaling styles affect what a bike fine-tuned to their pedaling stroke is. On Jan 13, 6:56 am, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: As a reader pointed out, I should have said somewhat stiffer *down* tube instead of top tube below. On Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:33:31 AM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote: a formula that worked well: A relatively flexible top tube (usually 1/8 smaller in diameter than the down tube), a somewhat stiffer top tube, and very stiff (i.e., heavy and relatively short) chainstays. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
I think it is difficult to measure the effect of weight on a bike's performance, when there are so many other factors that contribute to the ride, as Jan pointed out. My Bleriot (22.1 lbs) is only about 3 lbs. heavier than my Giant defy 3. I am not sure which bike is faster than the other. The Bleriot feels slower, but I have my fastest commute time on it. The Defy feels bouncy and twitchy but faster in take off and general riding. The Bleriot feels stable and predictable and lower to the ground. I prefer the Bleriot ride because I feel safer on it and there have been times like yesterday when I am sure I would have crashed if I had been on the Defy road bike, but the wide tires of the Bleriot helped me roll harmlessly over road cracks along the narrow shoulder as a car passed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MG5GD0XtnU8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
Is that 16.5 lbs your measurement? Does it include saddle, pedals, and cages (race bikes are often weighed without those components)? What is your lightest steel bike, and what wheels and components are on it? Also keep in mind that adding 4 lbs to your 16.5 lb roubaix is an increase of nearly 25% whereas adding the same 4 lbs to a 31 lb bike is only a 13% increase. On Jan 13, 6:54 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is more fun in most ways. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote: I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front and rear Sackville bags. Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like crazy and *feels *incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there must be far more factors involved in the overall feel of each bike than I might have guessed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 2013 Riding Plans anyone?
I will be building up and riding an Atlantis alot this year. That cool vibe (homeless guy) I've been putting down on the bike trail riding one or another of my harem of restored 80's MTN bikes is due for a major makeover. How you like me now? As Manny advised above, I've started to stop in the middle of my ride to take in the sights. I might even carry a flask on a cold day and enjoy an adult beverage. I also plan on finding out where that trail that goes under the bypass leads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fKl8jscKaqIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?
I have pitlocks on front and rear wheels and seatpost. No problem with seatpost slipping. Yeah you lose a little paint but its under the pitlock and you don't notice it. You're gonna lose some paint in other places just from riding anyway. Just forget about it and learn to love patina. I highly recommend pitlocks. If you get more than one make sure you get the same key to fit each and make things simpler for you. The solution for not losing your saddle is to put plumbers putty in the hex head. If you want to adjust your saddle latter on you can easily drill it out. I'm in NYC where they would steal the paint off your frame if given half a chance. If someone wants your bike bad enough they will get it. Just try to make it a pain in the ass for them so hopefully they move on to different pastures. Pitlocks are the pain in the ass. Mike On Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:02:30 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Thinking about getting pitlocks for my seatpost and saddle (yes, they actually have one that clamps onto the post at the saddle bolt, thus blocking access to it). Noone can steal your seatpost *or* saddle, then. I am more concerned about the pitlocks scratching the paint on the seat tube collar. How has yours worked out? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/C2WVs19SoHUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Bleriot 53cm Complete
Where are you (and the bike) located? On Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:31:12 PM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote: There tends to be a fair share of hills around here and it does come in handy. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:19:22 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Wow! Very nice bike! I hope it sells quickly for you. I have a 55 Bleriot with a double crank. A triple like yours has would feel great on the hills around here. Someone is gonna be happy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3XiZxa7__ZoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Bagman2 Q/R with Expedition Support and Camper longflap
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with Carridice's Camper long flap and the Bagman expedition saddle bag support? I'm considering this combination from Carradice purely on asethics and thought some of you might have some thoughts. http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=productunder=typeproduct_id=35 http://www.carradice.co.uk/products/other/bagman Thanks, Hugh Smitham Los Angeles, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cCHMzgSQPmsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
I wonder if they're just Paselas with a black sidewall and reflective strip? The casing is 27tpi, and I believe Paselas are 66tpi. Based on that I'd guess they're going to feel different than a Pasela. I'm sure they're worth a try though, price certainly is right. David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7zn0eIeEzSwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bleriot Price Check
I would think $1100 is a little too low. Personally I would be looking to recoup the replacement price of the frame. The new buyer would be getting the complete bike already built-up for the price of the frameset alone. -Ricky On Friday, January 11, 2013 10:17:16 PM UTC-5, Johnny Alien wrote: I may need to sell my 53cm Bleriot. What has been the going rate? I am not sure what to ask for it. It would be complete with standard mid-level Riv parts. I can list out what it has if that is helpful or if someone is interested in it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BRJxKPKBzXgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Tektro/Silver Big Mouths v. Dia Compe 750s
Considering both the Tektro/Silver Big Mouth brakes or the Dia Compe 750's for a project. Which do you prefer? Why? I have the Tektro/Silvers on a 650b bike right now and like them, but aesthetically prefer the look of centerpulls. I also have my eyes on the mini Dia Compe front rack that's out there that mounts to the front brake. Thanks! David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4CP4C2uigVgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?
Hi Michael, Scroll down to the 5th picture and the info under it. That should give you a good idea. Hope it will help you. Good luck. http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/pitlock.asp On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking about getting pitlocks for my seatpost and saddle (yes, they actually have one that clamps onto the post at the saddle bolt, thus blocking access to it). Noone can steal your seatpost *or* saddle, then. I am more concerned about the pitlocks scratching the paint on the seat tube collar. How has yours worked out? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/F2CGdHq-arUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Atlantis
Hi Rudy Is the frame still for sale? What year is it? Keith from Alameda On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, rudi wrote: I'm selling my 64cm Atlantis, serial #AT-0141. Frame, fork, headset only. It's an early one, and I've gotten lots of good riding out of it. About a year ago, the rear dropout broke, and the good folks at Riv took it in and repaired it and repainted it the original Atlantis color. We added a kickstand plate, but I wish we'd added fork eyelets. While the frame was being repaired I got myself an AHH, and that has become my main ride. I never built the Atlantis back up, so it is in like new condition, ready for your build. Asking $1,200. I'd prefer to sell it to someone local, in the Bay Area as I had a slight snag with the last time I shipped. But if the Bay Area is saturated with 64cm Atlantis-es, then I'll have it professionally boxed and shipped at cost. Please send me a message off list if interested. Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/34323747@N06/sets/72157631723545067/are some pics. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OYAb62Us294J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
Judging by the similar weight and looks, probably a Marathon competitor. Maybe try these: http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/new-express I have the non-hypertex ones in 650b and they're just like a Pasela. Tom On Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:47:53 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: When I started riding bigger tires on my commuter and road bike, one in the same at the time, I used Continental Contacts initially, but after reading through the Rivendell Catalog I switched over to Paselas, first 35s then 32s as I got into randonneuring. The tires were great, my main complaint was and still is, issues with the sidewalls, that they're not that durable. I used T-Serves, again, first 35s and then 32s which are now on my randonneuring bike and like those well enough. Still, Schwalbe Marathons seem to have taken over for me. I currently have them on my commuter, my LHT (40s) and my Hilsen (35)s. I like them well enough, while they're sluggish, they're durable and dependable. I think they're ideal for just riding. Still, I'm always on the lookout for new tires and noticed these new Panaracer Tour Tires. http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=58386 http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=58385 They seem to come in a good range of sizes (32, 35, 38, 42) and the price is right. Has anyone else seen or used these? I wonder if they're just Paselas with a black sidewall and reflective strip? Given the low price I'm sure to try them out at some point, most likely the 38s or 42s. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/YzITeF-K1EAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
In honor of Jan, I did my Ballard Trader Joe's grocery trip this morning with decreased tire pressures (about 65psi) and front loaded maybe 10 pounds of food in the basket. The Soma still climbed like mad rat. Budget grocery randonneur :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ifgdHEHPPf0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Plastic Fenders and Hetres
Toshi - In terms of controlling water spray, do you get adequate coverage over the Hetre with the P45 Longboards? On Jan 11, 7:13 pm, Toshi Takeuchi tto...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, P45 Longboards from Riv on my 650b Ram. Toshi On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: toshi: are those P45 longboards? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
It may not be weight, or it may be lower wheel weight, but I consistently -- over 10 years -- find myself climbing faster, particularly when I stand, on my 18 lb (pedals, cage, but no seat bag or bottle) gofast -- particularly noticeable because it is geared higher (75) than my other bikes. In particular I often find myself *not* bailing on one particular very steep 1/4 mile section, when I fully intend to, as I do on the other fixies and which is a struggle on the 34-to-40 outer ring low on the Fargo (38X32X29, 38X26X27.5 wheels respectively, even without a grocery load. OTOH, the Herse I used to own, which was a tank, felt faster than either the similarly weighted Sam Hill and the slightly heavier Fargo (with Kojak wheelset) even when cruising in a 73 gear compared to a 67 to 69 gear -- this with decidedly non-optimum tires (IRC Tandem belted 30 mm -- these felt better than the doggy 35 mm Pasela Tourguards). The Sam felt much like the Fargo with Kojak wheelset: Not bad at all but certainly more sluggish on the flats as on the hills. I have no fixed idea why there should be such differences, but I guess that, beside weight and wheel weight, and tire quality, there is fit: the Herse fit as well or almost as well as my custom Rivs. FWIW again, the much lighter-tubed and narrower-tubed '73 Motobecane felt faster than the Sam or Fargo, but slower overall than the Herse or the Rivs. 67 gear -- shod with said IRCs. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Scot Brooks scothinck...@gmail.comwrote: In honor of Jan, I did my Ballard Trader Joe's grocery trip this morning with decreased tire pressures (about 65psi) and front loaded maybe 10 pounds of food in the basket. The Soma still climbed like mad rat. Budget grocery randonneur :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ifgdHEHPPf0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
no these are not a re-done Pasela. Much much heavier and the tpi is different, as mentioned above. if you want a similar tire to the Tour, it would their Crosstown tire. The weights are nearly identical, both 27tpi. I've ridden the Crosstowns (rebranded from Performance Bike) and they felt heavy and slow compared to the same size tire in their Metro K , which just zing. Yeah. check out Performance Bikes Metro K tires in 35mm I like 'em !Sidewalls are great, and they feel lively and really roll easily. Easily the best tire for the $$ easily and a Sleeper . Likely because it's not a Brand name . But it's made by one ! ..lol Tires don't come from just anyone. http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10054_10551_1070099_-1_400904_400013_400238 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/z0ERV1fidY8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
One more remark on sensations of fastness -- which can be correlated, at least to some degree, with actual speed if you are accustomed to (1) riding the same gears or very similar gears on different bikes and (2) are sufficiently aware of your cadence: the tricycle (narrow-tubed 531, and light for a trike at ~28 lb with Old School parts, felt noticeably draggier than the Rivs, the Herse, and the Motobecane, and as well a bit slower than the Sam and the Fargo/Kojaks, gearing taken into account. I attribute this to the third wheel: the tires were, IIRC, IRC Tandem quality. Pushing the (in this case) 71 cruising gear my cadence and the related effort/torque was slower/higher, ceteris paribus. Patrick ceteris paribus to you to, buddy Moore On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:22 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: It may not be weight, or it may be lower wheel weight, but I consistently -- over 10 years -- find myself climbing faster, particularly when I stand, on my 18 lb (pedals, cage, but no seat bag or bottle) gofast -- particularly noticeable because it is geared higher (75) than my other bikes. In particular I often find myself *not* bailing on one particular very steep 1/4 mile section, when I fully intend to, as I do on the other fixies and which is a struggle on the 34-to-40 outer ring low on the Fargo (38X32X29, 38X26X27.5 wheels respectively, even without a grocery load. OTOH, the Herse I used to own, which was a tank, felt faster than either the similarly weighted Sam Hill and the slightly heavier Fargo (with Kojak wheelset) even when cruising in a 73 gear compared to a 67 to 69 gear -- this with decidedly non-optimum tires (IRC Tandem belted 30 mm -- these felt better than the doggy 35 mm Pasela Tourguards). The Sam felt much like the Fargo with Kojak wheelset: Not bad at all but certainly more sluggish on the flats as on the hills. I have no fixed idea why there should be such differences, but I guess that, beside weight and wheel weight, and tire quality, there is fit: the Herse fit as well or almost as well as my custom Rivs. FWIW again, the much lighter-tubed and narrower-tubed '73 Motobecane felt faster than the Sam or Fargo, but slower overall than the Herse or the Rivs. 67 gear -- shod with said IRCs. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Scot Brooks scothinck...@gmail.comwrote: In honor of Jan, I did my Ballard Trader Joe's grocery trip this morning with decreased tire pressures (about 65psi) and front loaded maybe 10 pounds of food in the basket. The Soma still climbed like mad rat. Budget grocery randonneur :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ifgdHEHPPf0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
For a fast, light, high volume and surprisingly tough tire, I feel Schwalbe Kojaks should be considered in this conversation. The 700 x 35's are my bees knees tire of choice. No reflective sidewall strips though. No tread pattern either. But that just adds to their zing. And while they are tough and long lasting for me here in southern New England, I'm not sure how they would hold up in goat head country. I just threw on a pair of Marathon Race 700 x 38's for the winter and they are noticeably sluggish compared to the Kojaks FWIW. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/62F7IS1ZD4gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
Keep it simple. The tires. Unless you compare with the same tire on very similar wheels, the comparison is moot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UR0T1GTJJVcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
I'm not sure how they would hold up in goat head country. They hold up as well as anything else; certainly better IME than Paselas, non-Tourguard, which positively sucked in all goatheads from the surrounding 25 sq feet. Even better are the Big Apples, tho' these are of course much heavier. They do roll well, though, for their mass. Odd: I get no more flats on the Michelin Pro Race 3s, 22 mm actual, than on any of the wider tires; ditto for 22 mm Turbos and 23 mm Contis. Anyone got an explanation? Do they slip stealthily between the thorns? Oh, and while I remember: if any of y'all have read Jan's blog on Tire Savers, let me add this: 1. I think -- no statistical analysis -- that they do help ward off punctures by knocking the would-be penetrant off before it can rotate a second time and be pushed alla way through. 2. Erstwhile listmember Gary 9,000 miles last year -- it was a bad year Blakely, late of ABQ and now in CO -- swore that they did work for goatheads. 3. You install them so that they **do not contact** the tire but sit slightly above it -- exactly 37/512 above the tread's highest point. (So they say.) And bend them to follow the tread's contour. Patrick real men ride supple, light and puncture-prone tires Moore On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Will wroma...@optonline.net wrote: For a fast, light, high volume and surprisingly tough tire, I feel Schwalbe Kojaks should be considered in this conversation. The 700 x 35's are my bees knees tire of choice. No reflective sidewall strips though. No tread pattern either. But that just adds to their zing. And while they are tough and long lasting for me here in southern New England, I'm not sure how they would hold up in goat head country. I just threw on a pair of Marathon Race 700 x 38's for the winter and they are noticeably sluggish compared to the Kojaks FWIW. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/62F7IS1ZD4gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
A late aside: here in ABQ, roadies use The System which includes training on tires lined with old tires from which the bead has been cut. Me, I'd rather fix flats. (I am no initiate, but I think that The System also includes certain arcane dietary methods such as riding without breakfast to burn fat, and other arcana.) On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how they would hold up in goat head country. They hold up as well as anything else; certainly better IME than Paselas, non-Tourguard, which positively sucked in all goatheads from the surrounding 25 sq feet. Even better are the Big Apples, tho' these are of course much heavier. They do roll well, though, for their mass. Odd: I get no more flats on the Michelin Pro Race 3s, 22 mm actual, than on any of the wider tires; ditto for 22 mm Turbos and 23 mm Contis. Anyone got an explanation? Do they slip stealthily between the thorns? Oh, and while I remember: if any of y'all have read Jan's blog on Tire Savers, let me add this: 1. I think -- no statistical analysis -- that they do help ward off punctures by knocking the would-be penetrant off before it can rotate a second time and be pushed alla way through. 2. Erstwhile listmember Gary 9,000 miles last year -- it was a bad year Blakely, late of ABQ and now in CO -- swore that they did work for goatheads. 3. You install them so that they **do not contact** the tire but sit slightly above it -- exactly 37/512 above the tread's highest point. (So they say.) And bend them to follow the tread's contour. Patrick real men ride supple, light and puncture-prone tires Moore On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Will wroma...@optonline.net wrote: For a fast, light, high volume and surprisingly tough tire, I feel Schwalbe Kojaks should be considered in this conversation. The 700 x 35's are my bees knees tire of choice. No reflective sidewall strips though. No tread pattern either. But that just adds to their zing. And while they are tough and long lasting for me here in southern New England, I'm not sure how they would hold up in goat head country. I just threw on a pair of Marathon Race 700 x 38's for the winter and they are noticeably sluggish compared to the Kojaks FWIW. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/62F7IS1ZD4gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Bagman2 Q/R with Expedition Support and Camper longflap
I have the bag and like it a lot, but for support I use my Nitto Big Rear Rack or the R14. Have no experience with the supports. René -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Bagman2 Q/R with Expedition Support and Camper longflap
I've used many different saddlebags and, if aesthetics alone were the criterion, I'd definitely prefer an old school, green, Carradice. The Camper Longflap carries quite a bit more than the Nelson Longflap and even more than the Adam, but far less than the Hoss -- the Sackville Medium, the only Sackville I've used, carries almost as much as the Hoss and more than the nominally similar-volumed CL, thanks to its more effective design. But I think C's old school bags look better in overall form, if not in details. I've not used the new Bagman with the stay struts, but I have used the old Expedition, non-strutted, both QR and non-QR. It works well but is limited to the same 10 kg as the SQR, which I, personally, prefer because it holds the bag high and thus obviates the need for the bottom support -- thus not compromising the bag's full volume. Frankly, if I had to use a Bagman with struts, I'd prefer a small and light rack like the Fly (11 oz, capacity 20 kg) or the Mark's (what is its capacity?). On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone has any experience with Carridice's Camper long flap and the Bagman expedition saddle bag support? I'm considering this combination from Carradice purely on asethics and thought some of you might have some thoughts. http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=productunder=typeproduct_id=35 http://www.carradice.co.uk/products/other/bagman Thanks, Hugh Smitham Los Angeles, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cCHMzgSQPmsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bagman2 Q/R with Expedition Support and Camper longflap
Hugh: I had a Carradice Camper and thought it was great! It holds a lot of stuff. I used it without a support and it sits quite nicely under the saddle. IMO the Carradice looks much better than the Rivendell bags. Those bags are a little too-too . . . . Unfortunately I sold it because I couldn't mount the bike by swinging my leg over the Carradice unless I stood at the edge of the sidewalk with the bike in the street. (Hip repalcement). On Friday, January 11, 2013 9:15:15 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: I was wondering if anyone has any experience with Carridice's Camper long flap and the Bagman expedition saddle bag support? I'm considering this combination from Carradice purely on asethics and thought some of you might have some thoughts. http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=productunder=typeproduct_id=35 http://www.carradice.co.uk/products/other/bagman Thanks, Hugh Smitham Los Angeles, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nnJ6AJ7qPYsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
There is very little useful information contained in that oft-discussed quantity known as bike weight. If you shave 100 grams off your handlebar, the effect is different than shaving 100 grams off your tires. Even specifying frame weight tells only a small part of the story, since you can reduce frame weight in a variety of ways. Personally, I don't think about weight. I select components that have the appropriate mix of function, looks, weight, durability, street cred, and affordability, and let the bike weight be the dependent variable. Then I add 30 pounds of miscellaneous crap in various bags and accessories. Then I ride and don't think about weight, or even speed. For me, as an unracer and unrandonneur, weight and speed are irrelevant, except that I need to have a rough idea how many minutes I should expect for my commute, so I'm not late. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yD1xmlY3e2AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
I should have clarified that I don't place much importance on bike weight. To a small extent I consider the weight of tires and rims, such that I don't use 1000-gram tires if punctures don't seem to be a major concern, nor do I use 400-gram rims on a bike I plan to thrash. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/57PweOWyxk4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Sunday Toodle Ride Report
Out and about for a ride on a misty, seasonably warm day here in DC. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDB9kpG I am hoping to be able to ride through the rest of the winter if it stays this mild. I don't do snow (although I have great respect for my Northern Bretheren). Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NKXYDNf4ISsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sunday Toodle Ride Report
On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 13:04 -0800, Michael Rivers wrote: Out and about for a ride on a misty, seasonably warm day here in DC. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDB9kpG WOD trail, eastern end? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bagman2 Q/R with Expedition Support and Camper longflap
I don't necessarily agree about the too too, tho' I think that Riv could have made them as strong and useful with a coarser finish, but I do agree that the old Nelson/Camper/Junior type look better, to my eye at least. But!! There can be no question for one who has used a Sackville Medium that the SM is a more **efficient** design: that is, it can carry more with less saddle-to-tire clearance, and by spades, compared to the Carradices and the Bagginses. Again, in my experience, the SM can carry almost as much as the Hoss (and far more than the Camper) while requiring far less clearance; and the SM loads easier than the Carradice types and buttons up easier than the Baggins types. (For the record: I've used several each of the Juniors, Nelsons, N Longflaps, Camper Longflaps, and one each of the the smaler Nelson -- forget the name, the Adam, the Hoss, various home-mades, and now the SM, as well as various Bagmans and SQRs and other mounting kits.) On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Don dgen...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the Carradice looks much better than the Rivendell bags. Those bags are a little too-too . . . . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Campagnolo cable guide 626/A on a Ram
I agree with Eric and Dave; some cable housing liner is the ticket. I use a bit more to make sure that it extends up beyond where the spray of the front wheel could put some grit into it. The diameter of the BB shell is large enough that it doesn't really bear through the plastic sleeve that fast; once a season maybe. Having had frames with the hook cable guide things, the friction of the route around the BB shell is lower as the hooks accumulate wear at a much higher rate. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh, PA I've never been a huge fan of how the derailer cables are routed underneath the bottom bracket of my Ram, due to the fact that they are just rubbing against the bare frame. Does anyone have any thoughts on using something like this Campy cable guide? http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=E553FEF8-9918-4B47-B24E-AE4603CBCB14 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/A6NF1nlWkfsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sunday Toodle Ride Report
Absolutely! Hope to run into you one day, Steve. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PY5t_Gh9JtwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
On Jan 13, 11:47 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick real men ride supple, light and puncture-prone tires Moore Ha! I don't mind heavy tires. I rode a very cold and rainy 600k a few years ago on 700x32 Schwalbe Marathons and had no flats. I'll concede time on the bike than time replacing a tube or fixing a flat on the side of the road. I hadn't thought to compare the TPI between this tire and a Pasela. That should be the giveaway that they're not the same. I know Compass Bicycles uses the Pasela mold for their 26 tire but with a different compound than what's used for the Pasela. It would be nice if Compas produced a 700x35 version of that tire. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Waxed Canvas Bag Instructions
The basic canvas bags that I've seen (back to the Baggins and Sackville bags) all have enough of a base treatment to keep things waterproof. I had gone to the double-seal system when I got my Country Bag as my older Banana Bag (which saw a lot of trail/mixed-terrain miles with no rear fender in place) had gotten really, really grungy. When I started cleaning it off, it seemed like the mud and dirt had gotten into the fabric. From my experience in owning Filson/Barbour garments, mud and dirt clean off better from a slightly thicker coating. I had gotten a bit of seepage of rain at the seams, so wanted to make sure that since I was using the bag for longer rides and possibly randos that it was well sealed. Retreating is really necessary only when you start having seepage - usually evident at the seams first, depending on the bag's construction. With my jacket that sees the most usage, that's maybe every 2 - 3 years, but there are a lot more moving parts and seams exposed directly to the rain than with most seat/saddlebags. - Jim cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4yPFBciDaeAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Bleriot 53cm Complete
Where are you (and the bike) located? Are you open to test rides? On Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:31:12 PM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote: There tends to be a fair share of hills around here and it does come in handy. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:19:22 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Wow! Very nice bike! I hope it sells quickly for you. I have a 55 Bleriot with a double crank. A triple like yours has would feel great on the hills around here. Someone is gonna be happy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LR57T3WEmaYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My Rumpkins ok?
Yes it's safe. Rubber peeling off the* bottom* of the bead has been a common occurrence for me when un-mounting , re-mounting tires with tire irons. -Ricky On Friday, January 11, 2013 7:01:33 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Had a flat, and before remounting the Rumpkin, I saw some rubber was peeling off of the bottom of the bead. About a 2 inch long piece. Bead is ok, just the rubber from the inside edge of the tire peeled off. Is this still safe to ride on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qmepQf4aerEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 64cm Atlantis
Just out of curiosity. What year did you buy yours? I bought mine in 2006 On Jan 13, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Keith Beato wrote: Hi Rudy Is the frame still for sale? What year is it? Keith from Alameda On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, rudi wrote: I'm selling my 64cm Atlantis, serial #AT-0141. Frame, fork, headset only. It's an early one, and I've gotten lots of good riding out of it. About a year ago, the rear dropout broke, and the good folks at Riv took it in and repaired it and repainted it the original Atlantis color. We added a kickstand plate, but I wish we'd added fork eyelets. While the frame was being repaired I got myself an AHH, and that has become my main ride. I never built the Atlantis back up, so it is in like new condition, ready for your build. Asking $1,200. I'd prefer to sell it to someone local, in the Bay Area as I had a slight snag with the last time I shipped. But if the Bay Area is saturated with 64cm Atlantis-es, then I'll have it professionally boxed and shipped at cost. Please send me a message off list if interested. Here are some pics. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OYAb62Us294J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam BB length.
Hey there Clyde - _Pretty_ sure it was a 110 Shimano. When Google Groups had the old format, I had aggregated a page with bb lengths for various models, according to some of the group members. It was here - http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/web/bb-spindle-lengths - but it seems to have evaporated. Internet Wayback Machine says that's a non-crawlable page... ooh that wacky internet. I _may_ have archived that info, but it will take a bit to track down. There have been a few threads in this (newer) group format, so you might also just search topics here too. 110 - 115 is pretty much the going range for Sugino cranks. hope that helps! Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/N5HzKW-mYdQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sunday Toodle Ride Report
Nice! On Sunday, January 13, 2013, Michael Rivers wrote: Out and about for a ride on a misty, seasonably warm day here in DC. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDB9kpG I am hoping to be able to ride through the rest of the winter if it stays this mild. I don't do snow (although I have great respect for my Northern Bretheren). Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NKXYDNf4ISsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comjavascript:; . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Today's Ride Photos
Not on a Rivendell, but I *was* riding a steel bike made by a good friend of Grant's ... http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2013/01/today-ride-photos.html --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam BB length.
The Tange and Shimano BB's can be a bit odd in sizing. Study the specs carefully. You'll notice a 107 and a 110 have the same drive side length ! http://thebikesmiths.com/uploaded/thumbnails/db_file_img_4941_500xauto.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/20101022002409/http://blog.harriscyclery.com/relative-chainline-bottom-brackets/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VsWRDaxX_8IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
Think of it this way: A flat is, at most, 15 minutes by the side of the road for, at worst, several hours of riding. So: several hours of riding pleasure versus 15 minutes of pain, compared to several hours of annoyance. Of course, I ride 60 km, not 600, so what do I know. Only that I am sensitive to balky tires and won't ride them, dammit! Patrick real men embrace the pain of punctures Moore On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 13, 11:47 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick real men ride supple, light and puncture-prone tires Moore Ha! I don't mind heavy tires. I rode a very cold and rainy 600k a few years ago on 700x32 Schwalbe Marathons and had no flats. I'll concede time on the bike than time replacing a tube or fixing a flat on the side of the road. I hadn't thought to compare the TPI between this tire and a Pasela. That should be the giveaway that they're not the same. I know Compass Bicycles uses the Pasela mold for their 26 tire but with a different compound than what's used for the Pasela. It would be nice if Compas produced a 700x35 version of that tire. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
Actually: Real men change tubes and apply patches with nary a thought. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Think of it this way: A flat is, at most, 15 minutes by the side of the road for, at worst, several hours of riding. So: several hours of riding pleasure versus 15 minutes of pain, compared to several hours of annoyance. Of course, I ride 60 km, not 600, so what do I know. Only that I am sensitive to balky tires and won't ride them, dammit! Patrick real men embrace the pain of punctures Moore On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 13, 11:47 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick real men ride supple, light and puncture-prone tires Moore Ha! I don't mind heavy tires. I rode a very cold and rainy 600k a few years ago on 700x32 Schwalbe Marathons and had no flats. I'll concede time on the bike than time replacing a tube or fixing a flat on the side of the road. I hadn't thought to compare the TPI between this tire and a Pasela. That should be the giveaway that they're not the same. I know Compass Bicycles uses the Pasela mold for their 26 tire but with a different compound than what's used for the Pasela. It would be nice if Compas produced a 700x35 version of that tire. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Bleriot 53cm Complete
I am in the central PA area and test rides are totally cool if you are in the area. On Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:41:46 PM UTC-5, HTC wrote: Where are you (and the bike) located? Are you open to test rides? On Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:31:12 PM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote: There tends to be a fair share of hills around here and it does come in handy. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:19:22 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Wow! Very nice bike! I hope it sells quickly for you. I have a 55 Bleriot with a double crank. A triple like yours has would feel great on the hills around here. Someone is gonna be happy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zNwb3gtbpokJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 16:21 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Think of it this way: A flat is, at most, 15 minutes by the side of the road for, at worst, several hours of riding. So: several hours of riding pleasure versus 15 minutes of pain, compared to several hours of annoyance. Of course, I ride 60 km, not 600, so what do I know. Only that I am sensitive to balky tires and won't ride them, dammit! I'd say the chances of riding 600km and not having a flat at all are pretty good, unless you're using extremely flat-prone tires like Challenge Parigi Roubaix; and even there I went on average 300 miles between flats. Nothing else I've ever used even came close to that average. I routinely go over 1,000 miles between flats on a Grand Bois Cypres, and that's a long way from an ultra-flat-proof armored slug. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
my Roubaix weighs 16.5 with all the normal road riding parts; pedals saddle cages, etc. what's your point? light is fast and fun. some like/need a 30 lb bike, some prefer lighter. why truck when you can fly? On Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:37:23 AM UTC-8, ted wrote: Is that 16.5 lbs your measurement? Does it include saddle, pedals, and cages (race bikes are often weighed without those components)? What is your lightest steel bike, and what wheels and components are on it? Also keep in mind that adding 4 lbs to your 16.5 lb roubaix is an increase of nearly 25% whereas adding the same 4 lbs to a 31 lb bike is only a 13% increase. On Jan 13, 6:54 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is more fun in most ways. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote: I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front and rear Sackville bags. Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like crazy and *feels *incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there must be far more factors involved in the overall feel of each bike than I might have guessed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6pO3C4C4zWoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] ISO old, single-pivot Shimano 600 rear brake caliper (allen).
Have much to trade. Would like to keep it cheap. No need for pads or wheel guides. Could conceivably use a second front as a nutted rear -- am trying to match the front that I have. Thanks. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. attachment: 600 calipers.JPG
Re: [RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
Unless you are riding in goathead country. But we agree on the essential point: why ride slugs when you can ride greyhounds? On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I'd say the chances of riding 600km and not having a flat at all are pretty good -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
Agreed. I normally ride anywhere from 66-69cm bikes. I love my Rivs for the ride quality. But if I'm doing a metric or a double-metric century w/thousands of feet in climbing on New England hills where there's a lot of 8-12% grades all the time, I'm taking my Roubaix (64cm, 18.2lbs), or a Seven (67cm, 19 lbs), or a Calfee (69cm, 19.8lbs w/disc brakes). If for no other reason that I can ride at a fast clip, but still enjoy the company of others, occasionally pass some people, and never quite run out of gas. This mostly comes into play on any long climb, where, even though I'm old, tall, heavy-ish, and relatively slow, I can get by w/ Cytomax as fuel and keep the cool kids in sight. IMHO, lighter is always righter. RGZ Sent from my iPad On Jan 13, 2013, at 9:54 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is more fun in most ways. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote: I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front and rear Sackville bags. Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like crazy and feels incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there must be far more factors involved in the overall feel of each bike than I might have guessed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4hz-iWJpuXMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Quickbeam BB length.
Shimano 110 came out when I switched to Campy 110 because I wanted smaller Q cranks and I only used the big ring. The chain line is fine when I run her fixed. Silver QB http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrivers/sets/72157618452191962/ Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/O74bRnVNG6YJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
You go, guy! I wholeheartedly agree with the general proposition that, ceteris paribus, lighter is righter. Of course there are many cetera to considera! Patrick 18, ~25 (with empty Sackville Med and #4 HpX and lights), ~29/33 lb, all ready to ride Moore On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Robert Zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.comwrote: IMHO, lighter is always righter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sunday Toodle Ride Report
Very nice. Would like to ride that trail again someday. Busy, but well maintained from my memories. (The trail, that is, not the memories.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:46 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! On Sunday, January 13, 2013, Michael Rivers wrote: Out and about for a ride on a misty, seasonably warm day here in DC. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDB9kpG I am hoping to be able to ride through the rest of the winter if it stays this mild. I don't do snow (although I have great respect for my Northern Bretheren). Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NKXYDNf4ISsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
A few years ago, I had an 80s univega that was similar in many ways to a Rambouillet. No racks or fenders, skinny 700x25 tires, roadie gearing, about 21-22 lbs. It was the lightest, raciest bike I ever had, and very comfortable for me. I rode it 200 miles that year, with 150 of those miles coming in a single ride. I rode it so few times because, like previous similar attempts, I found that riding a road bike was too confining. I relish the freedom to roll off the pavement more than I care about riding my fastest or keeping up with faster riders. To each his/her own, but now my speed bike is a Surly Cross-check with 700x40 marathon supremes. That said, I do sometimes get a wild hair and casually pass roadies on expensive bikes. This is especially fun on my Brompton or Pugsley. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zH46jTStyp0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
Four bikes in my stable. The heaviest ones get ridden the most. Heaviest being ~30lbs on my Saluki (and preferred ride) with rack and bags. My lightest, a steel Specialized Allez circa 2003 weighing in at ~19lbs, is a joy to ride, but I physically can't ride it without being kitted up and ride in semi-sterile and relatively rare conditions of paved roads in these parts. Boiler plate Riv-inspired response, but true. On Jan 13, 5:02 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: A few years ago, I had an 80s univega that was similar in many ways to a Rambouillet. No racks or fenders, skinny 700x25 tires, roadie gearing, about 21-22 lbs. It was the lightest, raciest bike I ever had, and very comfortable for me. I rode it 200 miles that year, with 150 of those miles coming in a single ride. I rode it so few times because, like previous similar attempts, I found that riding a road bike was too confining. I relish the freedom to roll off the pavement more than I care about riding my fastest or keeping up with faster riders. To each his/her own, but now my speed bike is a Surly Cross-check with 700x40 marathon supremes. That said, I do sometimes get a wild hair and casually pass roadies on expensive bikes. This is especially fun on my Brompton or Pugsley. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Today's Ride Photos
We just saw someone riding on a Richard Sachs.Beautiful bike btw. Looked cold -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0w98KFZDylYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sunday Toodle Ride Report
Lunch looks especially good. None of that stuff packaged in rocket wrappers. dougP On Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:04:16 PM UTC-8, Michael Rivers wrote: Out and about for a ride on a misty, seasonably warm day here in DC. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDB9kpG I am hoping to be able to ride through the rest of the winter if it stays this mild. I don't do snow (although I have great respect for my Northern Bretheren). Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/A9BYWv7Q3DgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
I love riding my Hillborne and don't even know what it weighs. I know I weigh 257 so it makes little difference to me if my bike weighs 2-5 pounds less than another one. I own an 80's go fast standard dimension Columbus SL tubed bicycle and it is no faster or more comfortable for me to ride. I put quite a few miles on three other frames similarly constructed with old school skinny tubing of varying thicknesses and my best ride so far has been my Surly Trucker with oversized tubing and my new (two top tubed) Hillborne. Maybe at my weight, I need them. A pure performance bike probably should have a more flexible frame and tuned to rider weight but I want a frame to last and will gladly give up a slight edge in performance for that feature. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote: I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front and rear Sackville bags. Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like crazy and *feels *incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there must be far more factors involved in the overall feel of each bike than I might have guessed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZL0SX6NZRh0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
As long as I can carry my Atlantis up stairs load onto the hooks on the train, it's not too heavy. My guess is at least 35 lbs. But the scale is upstairs and the bike is in the cold garage; maybe later. dougP On Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:38:01 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I should have clarified that I don't place much importance on bike weight. To a small extent I consider the weight of tires and rims, such that I don't use 1000-gram tires if punctures don't seem to be a major concern, nor do I use 400-gram rims on a bike I plan to thrash. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MZ4tuWctSvQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Enjoy every minute of it.
With school back on session, the short weekends are dedicated to cramming everything that I want/need to do before the Monday starts. Seeing friends and family, doing working stuff, hanging out with friends all make priority before riding my bike for myself. It's hard to find the time to do something for yourself without feeling guilty so I learned a long time ago that as long as I got to ride my bike no matter how far or how long or even the quality riding I must and need to enjoy it because the alternative would be not riding your bike. And that wouldn't be fun. Pictures prove that while California can get cold but it will still be clear on some days: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDAZUc8 -Manny There's no such things as junk miles. Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vr0sRR2WkDEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Enjoy every minute of it.
Nice. I was stuck at work all weekend... No riding for me... -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: An interesting match of the Nitto R-15 rear rack and Berthoud panniers
On Monday, November 5, 2012 5:04:23 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote: Jim: Is the lower horizontal bar on the R-15 intended for pannier mounting? Just wanted to give post info that the standard Ortlieb rolltop bags mount to the lower bar of the r-15 rack without any issues. The clips are adjustable and I was able to mount them after a few quick adjustments. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nk6CvM4pjbMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: An interesting match of the Nitto R-15 rear rack and Berthoud panniers
Photos would prove you really did... ;-)
On Sunday, January 13, 2013, Dave wrote:
On Monday, November 5, 2012 5:04:23 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
Jim:
Is the lower horizontal bar on the R-15 intended for pannier mounting?
Just wanted to give post info that the standard Ortlieb rolltop bags mount
to the lower bar of the r-15 rack without any issues. The clips are
adjustable and I was able to mount them after a few quick adjustments.
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[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
I was surprised the OP did not think that pounds of extra weight might not be responsible for the go fast feel of his go fast bike...even though by some standards both are relatively heavy. But 4 pounds is 4 pounds. I was suggesting weight is a significant factor in the gestalt of how a bike rides and feels to the rider. My custom steel with carbon fork weighs about 21 pounds. My Roubaix weighs about 16.5. I like them both a lot, but for pure paved road riding, given a choice, I most often seem to choose the Roubaix. On Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:13:37 PM UTC-8, ted wrote: Cool, thanks for the added detail. As to my point, Im not sure I have one, though Im not sure what yours was either. The original poster seemed to opine that the 4 lb difference between a 31lb bike and a 35 lb bike didn't matter much. You suggested he try a bike that weighs about half as much, or about 16lbs less, or about 4 times as big a weight difference than he was talking about. By all means ride what you like. On Jan 13, 3:40 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: my Roubaix weighs 16.5 with all the normal road riding parts; pedals saddle cages, etc. what's your point? light is fast and fun. some like/need a 30 lb bike, some prefer lighter. why truck when you can fly? On Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:37:23 AM UTC-8, ted wrote: Is that 16.5 lbs your measurement? Does it include saddle, pedals, and cages (race bikes are often weighed without those components)? What is your lightest steel bike, and what wheels and components are on it? Also keep in mind that adding 4 lbs to your 16.5 lb roubaix is an increase of nearly 25% whereas adding the same 4 lbs to a 31 lb bike is only a 13% increase. On Jan 13, 6:54 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is more fun in most ways. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote: I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front and rear Sackville bags. Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like crazy and *feels *incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there must be far more factors involved in the overall feel of each bike than I might have guessed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uhWMZ-Bo3h8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ISO old, single-pivot Shimano 600 rear brake caliper (allen).
I neglected to say that I need a 600 caliper in normal -- not short -- reach size. The spec chart says that the reach required is 54 mm. Thanks. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Have much to trade. Would like to keep it cheap. No need for pads or wheel guides. Could conceivably use a second front as a nutted rear -- am trying to match the front that I have. Thanks. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:33:44 PM UTC-8, I'd say the chances of riding 600km and not having a flat at all are pretty good, unless you're using extremely flat-prone tires like Challenge Parigi Roubaix; and even there I went on average 300 miles between flats. Nothing else I've ever used even came close to that average. I routinely go over 1,000 miles between flats on a Grand Bois Cypres, and that's a long way from an ultra-flat-proof armored slug. Much of the 600k I was referring to was along Hwy 101 and there tends to be a fair amount of debris. As I mentioned, it was cold and rainy and I didn't want to be stuck changing a flat in the cold and rain. From the tires I had on hand for the ride, my choice was between Jack Brown Greens and the Marathons. I just didn't want to take any chances. I had a strong ride and finished well with no flats. I doubt I would have finished any faster with a different tire as I rode most of the 2nd day with a group and had no issues keeping up with them. During this years randonneuring adventures which included multiple perms and brevets along with the Cascade 1200k, I only had one flat. The flat was on the morning of the 3rd day on a debris strewn road around Soap Lake. I didn't even fix the flat, just swapped out tubes after pulling the wire out of the tire. Mike real men have legs that can do the work regardless of the tires J. Oh snap! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Fx3MQj26YXoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
Eflayer, I was just saying that I was surprised they felt so different but were both, in fact, bikes that might shop in the husky section of the store. I like hearing about the interesting nuances of bicycle feel, especially in this case where I have two bikes that I love equally and like to fawn over with analytical discussion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xLx3x6S_DHEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
The idea of me weighing a bike is like weighing myself, pointless other than to illustrate what I already know. I sure do like to ride the bikes I have though. I guess if it ever gets to where I am using a scale to weigh my food I can worry about a few pounds here or there on a bike. Not that there isnt a whole set of people for which this does make sense, and more power to them. This argument is somewhat helmet-like where the two sides probably will never see eye to eye and someone will get all un-civil like and ruin it. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:13 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I was surprised the OP did not think that pounds of extra weight might not be responsible for the go fast feel of his go fast bike...even though by some standards both are relatively heavy. But 4 pounds is 4 pounds. I was suggesting weight is a significant factor in the gestalt of how a bike rides and feels to the rider. My custom steel with carbon fork weighs about 21 pounds. My Roubaix weighs about 16.5. I like them both a lot, but for pure paved road riding, given a choice, I most often seem to choose the Roubaix. On Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:13:37 PM UTC-8, ted wrote: Cool, thanks for the added detail. As to my point, Im not sure I have one, though Im not sure what yours was either. The original poster seemed to opine that the 4 lb difference between a 31lb bike and a 35 lb bike didn't matter much. You suggested he try a bike that weighs about half as much, or about 16lbs less, or about 4 times as big a weight difference than he was talking about. By all means ride what you like. On Jan 13, 3:40 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: my Roubaix weighs 16.5 with all the normal road riding parts; pedals saddle cages, etc. what's your point? light is fast and fun. some like/need a 30 lb bike, some prefer lighter. why truck when you can fly? On Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:37:23 AM UTC-8, ted wrote: Is that 16.5 lbs your measurement? Does it include saddle, pedals, and cages (race bikes are often weighed without those components)? What is your lightest steel bike, and what wheels and components are on it? Also keep in mind that adding 4 lbs to your 16.5 lb roubaix is an increase of nearly 25% whereas adding the same 4 lbs to a 31 lb bike is only a 13% increase. On Jan 13, 6:54 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is more fun in most ways. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote: I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front and rear Sackville bags. Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like crazy and *feels *incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there must be far more factors involved in the overall feel of each bike than I might have guessed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uhWMZ-Bo3h8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Enjoy every minute of it.
Yet another great set of photos Manny! It looks like you're riding out in the Marin Headlands more. Be sure to check out the Green Gulch trail if it's still open. You start it from Muir Beach at the Green Gulch Farm. It's a really great climb up to the ridge and then down Coastal Trail to Tennessee Valley Beach. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uFPv-q1laU8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Forget bike weight: let's talk about the Portacatena!
I have one, still in the original package. I've never had a bike with the proper dropouts ... or the space (see below). The PC was reputed to be used by racers on descents--with the chain on the Portacatena, the freewheel would not buzz, and they could zip by their opponents undetected. I suspect one problem with the PC was that if you parked the chain while riding (or when stopped( and then started pedalling, it would rip by the holder off of the dropout. I haven't tried it, but that's my theory. The PC also needs a fair amount of space between the smallest cog and the dropout. No biggie with a 5- or 6-speed freewheel, but beyond that the space inside the dropouts began to get pretty full. Check out the gap on amy modern bike, and you'll see that a holder that needs a chain's worth of space is no longer practical. --Eric On Jan 13, 2013, at 8:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: http://campagnolo.wikispaces.com/Portacatena (Scroll down a bit.) And of course Eric knows about it: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2010/08/today-history-lesson-portacatena.html That's a really neat device, too -- wonder why it never became more popular. Much better to have a chainrest and easy wheel removal instead of another blanking cog. I wonder if I can jury rig something on the Ram I am building up. I am using (for the moment) seven speed freewheel wheels while the Ram has (I've been told) 132.5 OL spacing. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. 7959582180_a2dd9dcd8f_z.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panaracer Tour Tire
But ultimately, while real men fix flats, suffer big miles, ride supple tires, mix goatheads in their cereal, etc RBW Owner's Bunchers tend to just ride. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MA8K5KN67rEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Forget bike weight: let's talk about the Portacatena!
I would think that with the prevalence of STI/Ergo/Rapidfire/Gripshifters and their lack of a lockout, it will be a significant liability when one attempts to upshift to a larger gear while pushing super hard and got...nothing but a freewheeling crank with its associated crash. Bishop Bikes made a rando bike with an integrated portacatena: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bishopbikes/sets/72157628089348263/ I saw that in person at NAHBS-2012 and it was pure sex on wheels. On Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:07:49 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: http://campagnolo.wikispaces.com/Portacatena (Scroll down a bit.) And of course Eric knows about it: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2010/08/today-history-lesson-portacatena.html That's a really neat device, too -- wonder why it never became more popular. Much better to have a chainrest and easy wheel removal instead of another blanking cog. I wonder if I can jury rig something on the Ram I am building up. I am using (for the moment) seven speed freewheel wheels while the Ram has (I've been told) 132.5 OL spacing. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ikk6-qCxLJ8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
Although I do not dispute that weight plays a part in how a bike *feels*, unless your Rivs weigh close to 30 lb or you weigh closer to 100 than 200 lb, those few pounds is only a very small percentage of the total bike+rider+accessories weight, which is what's important in a purely physics-based examination of performance factors. My experience is aligned with Jan's - I don't believe bike weight plays a primary factor in performance, at least at my level. Fit (aggressive vs. relaxed) and its associated rider position plays a much larger role in overall performance. As an example, my Della Santa and Independent Fab differ by probably 5 or more pounds (partially due to component mix), but both allow me to mix it with the boys. And yes, long 8-12% roads are (unfortunately) common around these parts. Stating this does not exclude me from being a weight-weenie though, as my chest of Ti hardware will attest to. :) On Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:03:26 PM UTC-8, z-man wrote: Agreed. I normally ride anywhere from 66-69cm bikes. I love my Rivs for the ride quality. But if I'm doing a metric or a double-metric century w/thousands of feet in climbing on New England hills where there's a lot of 8-12% grades all the time, I'm taking my Roubaix (64cm, 18.2lbs), or a Seven (67cm, 19 lbs), or a Calfee (69cm, 19.8lbs w/disc brakes). If for no other reason that I can ride at a fast clip, but still enjoy the company of others, occasionally pass some people, and never quite run out of gas. This mostly comes into play on any long climb, where, even though I'm old, tall, heavy-ish, and relatively slow, I can get by w/ Cytomax as fuel and keep the cool kids in sight. IMHO, lighter is always righter. RGZ Sent from my iPad On Jan 13, 2013, at 9:54 AM, eflayer eddie@att.net javascript: wrote: You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is more fun in most ways. On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote: I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and my Soma Double Cross. To abbreviate the way they're normally set up, the Sam's got a 40/24 12-36 drivetrain, 35c Soma New Xpress tires, front rack/basket/Shopsack. The Soma's got a 48/34 11-34 drivetrain, 35c Schwalbe Marathon Racers, front rack, front and rear Sackville bags. Anyway, I always assumed that my Soma was kind of a lightweight go-fast bike with it's fancy Tange Prestige tubing and slightly more aggressive geometry (shorter chain stays anyway). Compared to the Sam, it just takes off like crazy and *feels *incredibly quick and nimble. Lo-and-behold, I got one of those hook scale things today, and the total weight of each bike was 35lbs for the Sam and 31lbs for the Soma. I thought it was the weight that explained the difference in feel, but clearly that's not the case. Both are equally pleasurable to ride, but there must be far more factors involved in the overall feel of each bike than I might have guessed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4hz-iWJpuXMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/RppDIOcEO8cJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Campagnolo cable guide 626/A on a Ram
Seeing that the cable stop on the chainstay is on the bottom of the chainstay, even if you can route the rear derailleur cable using the Campagnolo cable guide, how will you address the chainstay cable stop issue? Go with the Teflon cable lining. New cable installations should likely have extra lengths of housing you can salvage the lining from. On Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:06:26 AM UTC-8, stevew wrote: I've never been a huge fan of how the derailer cables are routed underneath the bottom bracket of my Ram, due to the fact that they are just rubbing against the bare frame. Does anyone have any thoughts on using something like this Campy cable guide? http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=E553FEF8-9918-4B47-B24E-AE4603CBCB14 It attaches to the downtube and routes the cables above and to the side of the bottom bracket. However, from what I can find, it looks like it is sized for a 1 1/8 tube, while I believe the Ram down tube is 1 1/4. If that is indeed the case, could the guide possibly be made to squeeze out that extra 1/8? Thanks for any info, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5_hEwZLUkcIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Campagnolo cable guide 626/A on a Ram
Thought I was original and clever using this trick a few years ago ah shoot! On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA benzouy...@gmail.comwrote: Seeing that the cable stop on the chainstay is on the bottom of the chainstay, even if you can route the rear derailleur cable using the Campagnolo cable guide, how will you address the chainstay cable stop issue? Go with the Teflon cable lining. New cable installations should likely have extra lengths of housing you can salvage the lining from. On Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:06:26 AM UTC-8, stevew wrote: I've never been a huge fan of how the derailer cables are routed underneath the bottom bracket of my Ram, due to the fact that they are just rubbing against the bare frame. Does anyone have any thoughts on using something like this Campy cable guide? http://velobase.com/**ViewComponent.aspx?ID=**E553FEF8-9918-4B47-B24E-** AE4603CBCB14http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=E553FEF8-9918-4B47-B24E-AE4603CBCB14 It attaches to the downtube and routes the cables above and to the side of the bottom bracket. However, from what I can find, it looks like it is sized for a 1 1/8 tube, while I believe the Ram down tube is 1 1/4. If that is indeed the case, could the guide possibly be made to squeeze out that extra 1/8? Thanks for any info, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5_hEwZLUkcIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: An interesting match of the Nitto R-15 rear rack and Berthoud panniers
boring nighttime indoor photos prove it ;) http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8379739522_6fd5818baf.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8369/8379739794_36371a5f02.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8323/8379739226_50542d0f01_z.jpg On Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:19:45 PM UTC-8, René wrote: Photos would prove you really did... ;-) On Sunday, January 13, 2013, Dave wrote: On Monday, November 5, 2012 5:04:23 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote: Jim: Is the lower horizontal bar on the R-15 intended for pannier mounting? Just wanted to give post info that the standard Ortlieb rolltop bags mount to the lower bar of the r-15 rack without any issues. The clips are adjustable and I was able to mount them after a few quick adjustments. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nk6CvM4pjbMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/abLSDJ2jz-4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: An interesting match of the Nitto R-15 rear rack and Berthoud panniers
Beautiful rack! How do you like it compared to the R14 and the Nitto Big
Rear?
René
On Sunday, January 13, 2013, Dave wrote:
boring nighttime indoor photos prove it ;)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8379739522_6fd5818baf.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8369/8379739794_36371a5f02.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8323/8379739226_50542d0f01_z.jpg
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:19:45 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
Photos would prove you really did... ;-)
On Sunday, January 13, 2013, Dave wrote:
On Monday, November 5, 2012 5:04:23 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
Jim:
Is the lower horizontal bar on the R-15 intended for pannier mounting?
Just wanted to give post info that the standard Ortlieb rolltop bags
mount to the lower bar of the r-15 rack without any issues. The clips are
adjustable and I was able to mount them after a few quick adjustments.
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[RBW] Evening Ride
I had a nice 20ish mile ride to the north end of Lk Washington tonight. It was a bit too chilly for my shoes, but the rest of me stayed warm. The Hilsen is in top form with the Jack Browns (green front, blue back). There was ice encountered, but trod upon without incident. Tomorrow, it will be the Hunqa's turn. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDB9tYP Brian Hanson Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
