[RBW] Re: Mid-May Tour

2013-06-04 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
Excellent write up and pics! It's nice to get details about the Willapa 
Hills Trail. Thanks for sharing. 
--Smitty

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Re: [RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

2013-06-04 Thread Brian Hanson
To add to what Andy said - I also found our 2nd-day's adventure to be the
best ride in years!  It always helps to endo into the snow on your Hilsen
at speed, pinch flat the rear (of course!) Cypres while slamming down some
rocky, rutted, melt-draining dirt trails waiting for arm-pump to set in,
fall on the seat twice when your feet pop off the pedals in the rocks, and
- oh yeah - do it all with a bunch of awesome-fun, like-minded riv geeks!
 Wow - I now understand underbiking, but I would say a Hilsen can do
anything that doesn't involve major air.  Best bike ever!  The Hunqa was
great on day 1, too!

My mess of pics: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFK62Nt

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's a link to the few photos I took:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/sets/72157633916462224/

 What a great ride!

 Aaron Young
 Vancouver, WA


 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.comwrote:

 No bugs.

 The CG was about 2.5 hours from both Seattle and Portland... You could
 absolutely do something like this in So Cal.

 Bikes were 3 Homers, 1 Sam, 1 Hunqapilar, and an LHT

 If anyone's interested in the details of where we were...
 Saturday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621380
 Sunday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621398

 There were other cameras... I'm sure more (and better) pics will surface.

 --Smitty



 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:27:23 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 Five of us met at a campground in the shadow of Mt Adams for the *Seattle
 vs Portland Country Bike Rumble*. We got things squared away at camp
 and set out for the Rumble Ride. We headed up The North Fork Cispus River
 for about about 10 miles…. a fair amount of climbing, lots of breaks, bike
 talk, and we found a nice view point to hang out for a snack and some
 hanging out before heading back down. The Portland crew whipped up a
 spaghetti dinner then we settled around the camp fire until well after
 dark.


 In the morning the Seattle crew (aka Brian) was the first one up so he
 got a fire going and cooked a big batch of eggs. After breakfast and
 cleaning up around camp, Charlie had to head home, but the rest of us
 headed out to investigate the snow level.  We figured we'd eventually be
 stopped by the snow and have to turn around. The snow ended up being mostly
 melted. We got crazy close to making the connection to connect to our 40
 mile loop. We implemented the Manny Principle (keep pressing forward
 despite not really knowing what's up ahead and even though it's likely to
 cause you to be late getting home). The loop turned out to include a
 spectacular 5 mile descent down a jeep road. Following the ride we loaded
 the bikes into the cars and headed our separate ways.


 As for who won the Rumble… I't wasn't exactly clear. We were so
 pre-occupied riding, telling stories, geeking out on bikes, and generally
 having a great time that the Rumble part of it fell off the radar. Perhaps
 we'll have to do it again and be more on top of it.


 My pics are here. 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157633895099178/


 The other guys will post theirs in the comments


 --Smitty


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell handlebars comparaison

2013-06-04 Thread oli c
Thank you for the encouraging comments.
A poster would be nice indeed. The handlebar should be at 100% size. It may 
happen and I sure will keep you posted.
An all-interactive on-line barstem selector with semi-transparent overlay 
would be nice too. I can't code to save my life though. I'm all up for it.



On Saturday, June 1, 2013 12:36:42 PM UTC-7, oli c wrote:

 Good day bunch,
 here's an illustration demonstrating the geometry differences between the 
 current Nitto-crafted Rivendell-designed handlebars.
 It may answer at least six unasked questions.

 Here's the link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/

 Stay safe and be comfortable,

 Olivier


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell handlebars comparaison

2013-06-04 Thread oli c
...poor mannered me left the above message sans signature.

-best,

Olivier in SF

Here are some stems to make up for 
it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8925887660/


On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:52:22 PM UTC-7, oli c wrote:

 Thank you for the encouraging comments.
 A poster would be nice indeed. The handlebar should be at 100% size. It 
 may happen and I sure will keep you posted.
 An all-interactive on-line barstem selector with semi-transparent overlay 
 would be nice too. I can't code to save my life though. I'm all up for it.



 On Saturday, June 1, 2013 12:36:42 PM UTC-7, oli c wrote:

 Good day bunch,
 here's an illustration demonstrating the geometry differences between the 
 current Nitto-crafted Rivendell-designed handlebars.
 It may answer at least six unasked questions.

 Here's the link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/

 Stay safe and be comfortable,

 Olivier



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[RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen store NOW OPEN.

2013-06-04 Thread Benedikt
Fantastic! Just ordered three.

The other Seattle Brian.

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:30:30 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:

 OK...it took me a bit to learn the ropes of setting up and running a 
 store...but I think it's a go.

 Some additional items have been added and a concept tee if interest is 
 there.

 I may tweak some things once I get the feel but I would love to get 
 feedback too.

 This will be a first for this stay home parent, cyclist, artist, coffee 
 drankernow online purveyor.

 Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen STOREhttp://bradclick.bigcartel.com/
  


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[RBW] Re: Jenny the AHH made it on TV

2013-06-04 Thread ascpgh
The assembled group was a heavily aluminum/CF, low drops, brifter crowd (my 
old roommate was there in that kit) so an attractive bike like Jack's stood 
out for attention.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, June 3, 2013 12:31:07 PM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 I like the guy in the background walking up to photograph Homer. 

 --Smitty



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[RBW] Re: Jenny the AHH made it on TV

2013-06-04 Thread NWAJack
That's me actually.  But I got a lot of cool bike comments.

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[RBW] Re: Jenny the AHH made it on TV

2013-06-04 Thread NWAJack
Remins me Andy, Pack Rat is having their 40th anniversary this year.

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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

2013-06-04 Thread ascpgh
When I began riding my '93 XO-2 off road in earnest I recall thinking how 
much more wildlife I saw, if not approached before detection, than I had on 
my MTB and attributed it to the inherent buzz produced by tires rolling on 
the knobs. It amazed me how much wildlife I had to stop for. I never 
achieved your bunny hop though. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, June 3, 2013 1:01:07 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 This is fascinating! I see all kinds of wildlife running trails. Running 
 barefoot or in moccasins is so quiet they just don't hear me coming. I've 
 jumped over rabbits, foxes, turkey and nearly run into deer and bear. I see 
 much less on my bike. Tires make a lot of noise in comparison to bare feet. 
 It's also interesting that many of the wildlife photos are in urban 
 settings -- perhaps the animals are accustomed to ignoring human noise, 
 peddles cranking, tires on dirt, etc.?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:17:00 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 Would love to see if anyone snapped a pic showing their Rivendell with a 
 wild animal in the frame.
 I thought it would make for an interesting thread.
  
 I got a deer today. Not so wild, but wild. iPhone did okay. But wish I 
 had my camera. Gotta start taking it on rides.
 The deer stood there as I passed him, and stayed as I fumbled around 
 getting the phone outta my bag. Started leaving as I got the pics taken. A 
 baby deer walked by after.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

2013-06-04 Thread Steven Frederick
My buddy had one come right up to him that way-local farmer had been
feeding it since it was a pup and started coming around to eat from his
yard feeder.

Here's a couple of mine.

On the Saluki
[image: Inline image 1]

On the Heron
[image: Inline image 2]

In front of the Rambouillet:
[image: Inline image 3]

Steve


On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Jack jhuber1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It was a granola bar, the only thing I had with me. I don't know why the
 deer came so close, it wasn't in a park, just out in rural Virginia. I hope
 the poor thing survived that year's hunting season
 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 3:16:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:

 Wow! Amazing shot. I am surprised it was willing to come so close. What
 were you feeding it?

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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

2013-06-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
It's the fox hops and bear bumps that are the most exciting. Does give new 
meaning to bunny hop though. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:52:24 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:

 When I began riding my '93 XO-2 off road in earnest I recall thinking how 
 much more wildlife I saw, if not approached before detection, than I had on 
 my MTB and attributed it to the inherent buzz produced by tires rolling on 
 the knobs. It amazed me how much wildlife I had to stop for. I never 
 achieved your bunny hop though. 

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Monday, June 3, 2013 1:01:07 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 This is fascinating! I see all kinds of wildlife running trails. Running 
 barefoot or in moccasins is so quiet they just don't hear me coming. I've 
 jumped over rabbits, foxes, turkey and nearly run into deer and bear. I see 
 much less on my bike. Tires make a lot of noise in comparison to bare feet. 
 It's also interesting that many of the wildlife photos are in urban 
 settings -- perhaps the animals are accustomed to ignoring human noise, 
 peddles cranking, tires on dirt, etc.?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:17:00 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 Would love to see if anyone snapped a pic showing their Rivendell with a 
 wild animal in the frame.
 I thought it would make for an interesting thread.
  
 I got a deer today. Not so wild, but wild. iPhone did okay. But wish I 
 had my camera. Gotta start taking it on rides.
 The deer stood there as I passed him, and stayed as I fumbled around 
 getting the phone outta my bag. Started leaving as I got the pics taken. A 
 baby deer walked by after.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

2013-06-04 Thread Leslie
True, the Little Big Bens don't have side-knobs, only the even square-block 
tread... I still think it might be a good tire for me, but, I'm still 
looking for something w/ side-knobs, too.   And I agree, the Sammy Slick 
does seem narrower than what I want, too.   

I like the MSO, but it may be pushing it for fit on this bike.Oh...  
I've recently gotten a canti-Rom frame, and I'm going to build it up as a 
'gravel-grinder'.   A regular Romulus maxes out around a 37 or a 38, so I'm 
hoping that I'd have enough room to squeeze an MSO on it, but the MSO may 
be a step too far.   So, I'm searching for tires in the 38 range, and maybe 
pushing it, to see what might suit. I like the Rock-n-Roads, but they 
seem to measure a full 43, so I'm pretty confident that they can't make 
it.   

What's the max size your frame can fit?   And idea how close a canti-Rom 
would be?





On Monday, June 3, 2013 8:32:32 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Leslie, the Little BBs don't look like they have enough (any) side 
 knobs, and the SS are listed 35mm, so probably actually closer to 32 given 
 Schwalbe's inconsistency in sizing. I want a full 40, so the MSO is looking 
 good!

 Cheers,
 David



 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Leslie leslie...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 I'm pondering other tires too, at the moment;have you considered the 
 Little Big Brown against the MSO and Happy Medium?   How about Schwalbe 
 Sammy Slick?






 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:49:09 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, obsessive-compulsive 650B riders, this is your moment to shine!!!

 You're right about the tire growth. My JB-Gs are @ 34 right now. At 
 least the rear is @ 65psi. Front @ 40psi is still right @ 33.3.

 I found it linked to a MSO review I was reading. I think I'm down to the 
 MSO and the Kenda Happy Medium to replace my ZEDs. Probably closer to the 
 Kendas at the moment.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Mike Schiller 
 mikey...@rocketmail.comwrote:

  good find David.  One issue with this data is that some tires grow 
 with age. The JB Greens on my Coho are measuring 34.5 mm with abut 2000 
 miles on them on 20mm rims.  They were a 1.5mm narrower when I put them 
 on. 

 One big thing not well represented on the list are 650B tires... we 
 need more variety!

 ~mike

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RE: [RBW] FS White Industries Wheelset Panceti Pari moto tires

2013-06-04 Thread Trevor saxton
Pics should be public now

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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

2013-06-04 Thread yavo
Hi, sorry about that. I thought it was 650B. That's what I need. I will
undo the Paypal payment, somehow.
Thanks,
Fred


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:57 PM, jimmy johnsen moho1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yavo. The wheel set is 700c not 650b. Do you still want it

*From:* yavo fyavor...@gmail.com
 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2013 8:14 PM

 *Subject:* Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy
 wheelset

 Just give me the total and I can pay with Paypal.



 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, yavo fyavor...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's 19046


 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, jimmy johnsen moho1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Sorry I forgot to ask your zip code so I can figure shipping

*From:* yavo fyavor...@gmail.com
 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2013 7:16 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy
 wheelset

 Hi there,
 If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
 Fred


 On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25
 miles. $85.00 shipped.
 Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear
 cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been
 re spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130.
 Comes w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual
 shipping. Thanks for looking!

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Re: [RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

2013-06-04 Thread Alex Moll
Wow - looks like an RBW catalog photo shoot! I clearly missed a great time 
- hope I can make the next one. Thanks for sharing all the pics.
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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

2013-06-04 Thread Marc Irwin
Last week the turtles started their migration from the ponds and lakes to 
lay their eggs.  I saw this little beauty crossing a bike trail in the 
middle of town.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bPr6l4tHATg/UaARVndgq-I/EEQ/EyIOGc1ZabA/s320/IMG_0442.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zXEdjxAaOBk/UaARV6ouWwI/EEU/A4lyu_38NWY/s320/IMG_0441.JPG




On Sunday, June 2, 2013 2:17:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:

 Would love to see if anyone snapped a pic showing their Rivendell with a 
 wild animal in the frame.
 I thought it would make for an interesting thread.
  
 I got a deer today. Not so wild, but wild. iPhone did okay. But wish I had 
 my camera. Gotta start taking it on rides.
 The deer stood there as I passed him, and stayed as I fumbled around 
 getting the phone outta my bag. Started leaving as I got the pics taken. A 
 baby deer walked by after.


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Re: [RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

2013-06-04 Thread Mike
Brian, fantastic job on the photos. Great stuff here. Oh to pedal through 
Gifford PInchot this summer! I can't say enough good things about rambling 
through Gifford Pinchot. And as stellar as your images are and the ride 
was, you guys just scratched the surface. If you can return later in the 
year when the passes and various observation points are open, Windy Ridge, 
McClellan, Johnston, you're really in for a treat. Hopefully you guys can 
all make it back there later in the summer. 

Glad everyone had fun and no one lost an eye. 

One of these years there's gonna have to be a list-wide meet-up somewhere.

--mike

On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:51:04 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 To add to what Andy said - I also found our 2nd-day's adventure to be the 
 best ride in years!  It always helps to endo into the snow on your Hilsen 
 at speed, pinch flat the rear (of course!) Cypres while slamming down some 
 rocky, rutted, melt-draining dirt trails waiting for arm-pump to set in, 
 fall on the seat twice when your feet pop off the pedals in the rocks, and 
 - oh yeah - do it all with a bunch of awesome-fun, like-minded riv geeks! 
  Wow - I now understand underbiking, but I would say a Hilsen can do 
 anything that doesn't involve major air.  Best bike ever!  The Hunqa was 
 great on day 1, too!

 My mess of pics: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFK62Nt

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, WA


 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Here's a link to the few photos I took:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/sets/72157633916462224/

 What a great ride! 

 Aaron Young
 Vancouver, WA


 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
 54c...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 No bugs. 

 The CG was about 2.5 hours from both Seattle and Portland... You could 
 absolutely do something like this in So Cal. 

 Bikes were 3 Homers, 1 Sam, 1 Hunqapilar, and an LHT

 If anyone's interested in the details of where we were... 
 Saturday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621380
 Sunday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621398

 There were other cameras... I'm sure more (and better) pics will 
 surface. 

 --Smitty



 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:27:23 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 Five of us met at a campground in the shadow of Mt Adams for the *Seattle 
 vs Portland Country Bike Rumble*. We got things squared away at camp 
 and set out for the Rumble Ride. We headed up The North Fork Cispus River 
 for about about 10 miles…. a fair amount of climbing, lots of breaks, bike 
 talk, and we found a nice view point to hang out for a snack and some 
 hanging out before heading back down. The Portland crew whipped up a 
 spaghetti dinner then we settled around the camp fire until well after 
 dark. 


 In the morning the Seattle crew (aka Brian) was the first one up so he 
 got a fire going and cooked a big batch of eggs. After breakfast and 
 cleaning up around camp, Charlie had to head home, but the rest of us 
 headed out to investigate the snow level.  We figured we'd eventually be 
 stopped by the snow and have to turn around. The snow ended up being 
 mostly 
 melted. We got crazy close to making the connection to connect to our 40 
 mile loop. We implemented the Manny Principle (keep pressing forward 
 despite not really knowing what's up ahead and even though it's likely to 
 cause you to be late getting home). The loop turned out to include a 
 spectacular 5 mile descent down a jeep road. Following the ride we loaded 
 the bikes into the cars and headed our separate ways. 


 As for who won the Rumble… I't wasn't exactly clear. We were so 
 pre-occupied riding, telling stories, geeking out on bikes, and generally 
 having a great time that the Rumble part of it fell off the radar. Perhaps 
 we'll have to do it again and be more on top of it. 


 My pics are here. 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157633895099178/


 The other guys will post theirs in the comments


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[RBW] Re: Mid-May Tour

2013-06-04 Thread Mike
Robert, haven't checked the links yet but I know I'm in for a treat. I've 
been checking out your photos and ride reports for years and they're always 
top notch. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Assorted Schwalbe Tires

2013-06-04 Thread Zack
Supremes are sold.

$55 for the Winters!  Someone take these, great deal, moving to a climate 
where I have no use for them, otherwise would never sell.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

2013-06-04 Thread cyclotourist
Did you buy that Canti-Rom that was recently FS in the East Bay? I don't
know their max fit. Mine can just fit 42mm, but that is with ridiculous
close clearances. 40mm is much better. The MSO looks like it maxes out
right around 39, so could just fit for both of us!

Cheers,
David



On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:

 True, the Little Big Bens don't have side-knobs, only the even
 square-block tread... I still think it might be a good tire for me, but,
 I'm still looking for something w/ side-knobs, too.   And I agree, the
 Sammy Slick does seem narrower than what I want, too.

 I like the MSO, but it may be pushing it for fit on this bike.Oh...
 I've recently gotten a canti-Rom frame, and I'm going to build it up as a
 'gravel-grinder'.   A regular Romulus maxes out around a 37 or a 38, so I'm
 hoping that I'd have enough room to squeeze an MSO on it, but the MSO may
 be a step too far.   So, I'm searching for tires in the 38 range, and maybe
 pushing it, to see what might suit. I like the Rock-n-Roads, but they
 seem to measure a full 43, so I'm pretty confident that they can't make
 it.

 What's the max size your frame can fit?   And idea how close a canti-Rom
 would be?






 On Monday, June 3, 2013 8:32:32 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Leslie, the Little BBs don't look like they have enough (any) side
 knobs, and the SS are listed 35mm, so probably actually closer to 32 given
 Schwalbe's inconsistency in sizing. I want a full 40, so the MSO is looking
 good!

 Cheers,
 David



 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Leslie leslie...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm pondering other tires too, at the moment;have you considered the
 Little Big Brown against the MSO and Happy Medium?   How about Schwalbe
 Sammy Slick?






 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:49:09 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, obsessive-compulsive 650B riders, this is your moment to shine!!!

 You're right about the tire growth. My JB-Gs are @ 34 right now. At
 least the rear is @ 65psi. Front @ 40psi is still right @ 33.3.

 I found it linked to a MSO review I was reading. I think I'm down to
 the MSO and the Kenda Happy Medium to replace my ZEDs. Probably closer to
 the Kendas at the moment.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Mike Schiller 
 mikey...@rocketmail.comwrote:

  good find David.  One issue with this data is that some tires grow
 with age. The JB Greens on my Coho are measuring 34.5 mm with abut 2000
 miles on them on 20mm rims.  They were a 1.5mm narrower when I put them 
 on.

 One big thing not well represented on the list are 650B tires... we
 need more variety!

 ~mike

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[RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

2013-06-04 Thread Manuel Acosta
I expected a blood and tears. You cheated me Andy! All I see are awesome 
bikes in incredible scenery. Look good otherwise but next time there needs 
to be some fighting. 



On Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:27:23 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 Five of us met at a campground in the shadow of Mt Adams for the *Seattle 
 vs Portland Country Bike Rumble*. We got things squared away at camp and 
 set out for the Rumble Ride. We headed up The North Fork Cispus River for 
 about about 10 miles…. a fair amount of climbing, lots of breaks, bike 
 talk, and we found a nice view point to hang out for a snack and some 
 hanging out before heading back down. The Portland crew whipped up a 
 spaghetti dinner then we settled around the camp fire until well after 
 dark. 


 In the morning the Seattle crew (aka Brian) was the first one up so he got 
 a fire going and cooked a big batch of eggs. After breakfast and cleaning 
 up around camp, Charlie had to head home, but the rest of us headed out to 
 investigate the snow level.  We figured we'd eventually be stopped by the 
 snow and have to turn around. The snow ended up being mostly melted. We got 
 crazy close to making the connection to connect to our 40 mile loop. We 
 implemented the Manny Principle (keep pressing forward despite not really 
 knowing what's up ahead and even though it's likely to cause you to be late 
 getting home). The loop turned out to include a spectacular 5 mile descent 
 down a jeep road. Following the ride we loaded the bikes into the cars and 
 headed our separate ways. 


 As for who won the Rumble… I't wasn't exactly clear. We were so 
 pre-occupied riding, telling stories, geeking out on bikes, and generally 
 having a great time that the Rumble part of it fell off the radar. Perhaps 
 we'll have to do it again and be more on top of it. 


 My pics are here. 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157633895099178/


 The other guys will post theirs in the comments


 --Smitty  




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[RBW] Re: Start of Summer shenanigans.

2013-06-04 Thread Mike
Manny, sounds like an awesome start to summer. I can't imagine you could 
have packed any more into the weekend. Looking forward to the rest of your 
summertime shenanigans.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

2013-06-04 Thread Tom Harrop
Don't know if I'm helping or hindering here, but Continental has a 42 mm 
'cyclocross' tyre with some side knobs. 
Herehttp://www.conti-online.com/www/bicycle_de_en/themes/cross/cyclocross_speed_en.html.
 
Don't know anything about them.

I'm also checking out tyres in this category  size range for a planned 
(i.e. approved by the better half but currently lacking finance) Hillborne 
trail-bike build. Has anyone worked out the maximum size that will fit in a 
Hillborne frame without fenders? In this 
photohttp://www.flickr.com/photos/79246467@N03/7462314858/ from 
Riv's own flickr it looks like they've used the 54-584 Schwalbe HS 
315http://schwalbe.de/gbl/en/produkte/tour_city/produkt/index.php5?flash=1ID_Einsatzbereich=9ID_Produktgruppe=38ID_Produkt=169ID_Artikel=164info=1ID_Land=38ID_Sprache=2tn_mainPoint=Produktetn_subPoint=Tour/City,
 
but I have no idea what the actual measurement of that tyre is.

Tom

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RE: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

2013-06-04 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I used this Continental tire on my Hilsen for the recent Riv Rally East in the 
Delaware Water Gap - fits nicely (but no fenders), and rides very well.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Harrop
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:44 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

Don't know if I'm helping or hindering here, but Continental has a 42 mm 
'cyclocross' tyre with some side knobs. 
Herehttp://www.conti-online.com/www/bicycle_de_en/themes/cross/cyclocross_speed_en.html.
 Don't know anything about them.

I'm also checking out tyres in this category  size range for a planned (i.e. 
approved by the better half but currently lacking finance) Hillborne trail-bike 
build. Has anyone worked out the maximum size that will fit in a Hillborne 
frame without fenders? In this 
photohttp://www.flickr.com/photos/79246467@N03/7462314858/ from Riv's own 
flickr it looks like they've used the 54-584 Schwalbe HS 
315http://schwalbe.de/gbl/en/produkte/tour_city/produkt/index.php5?flash=1ID_Einsatzbereich=9ID_Produktgruppe=38ID_Produkt=169ID_Artikel=164info=1ID_Land=38ID_Sprache=2tn_mainPoint=Produktetn_subPoint=Tour/City,
 but I have no idea what the actual measurement of that tyre is.

Tom
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[RBW] Re: Vintage

2013-06-04 Thread Ron Mc
my buddy has one of the Fat Tire Ale Schwinns, won from a tab lottery at 
Flying Sauce Pub.   

On Saturday, June 1, 2013 2:59:13 PM UTC-5, Kellie Stapleton wrote:

 Not a Rivendell, but still cool..


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7haOSpEHtV8/UapSVTAnM5I/AFs/AByO8a8WbcE/s1600/dscn0702.jpg



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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

2013-06-04 Thread clayton
My B-17 special is about 15 years old and is still in great shape. When I 
got it, I spread Sno-seal top and bottom and took a hair dryer to it for a 
few minutes. I rubbed the melted snow seal in until my hand cramped. I did 
that three times. After months of riding I was getting a little frustrated 
that the saddle hadn't softened up. I used proofhide, Obenaufs, and finally 
a little bit of neatsfoot oil to try to soften it up and it still remained 
rock hard. The saddle looks like it will last another 15 years. Seriously. 
Sno-seal is a wax and it soaked in so well and so deeply that it would not 
let the oils or fats in, to soften the seat. I loosened the tension on the 
saddle and after a year of flexing it is finally soft enough to let in oil. 
I would suggest that if you want your saddle to last forever, Sno-seal the 
hell out of it, heat it and repeat. Just don't expect it to soften up for a 
long time.
Clayton

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:38:21 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Are the care needs of an undyed Brooks Select saddle any different from 
 the dyed ones? 
  
 Joe to Proofide or not to Proofide Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

2013-06-04 Thread Norman R
I saw this thread and then heard a black bear has been seen wandering 
around my suburban New Jersey town.  Got my camera and bike and then found 
out it was captured and whisked away.  Another near miss after not winning 
the frame lottery.
Norman

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 2:17:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:

 Would love to see if anyone snapped a pic showing their Rivendell with a 
 wild animal in the frame.
 I thought it would make for an interesting thread.
  
 I got a deer today. Not so wild, but wild. iPhone did okay. But wish I had 
 my camera. Gotta start taking it on rides.
 The deer stood there as I passed him, and stayed as I fumbled around 
 getting the phone outta my bag. Started leaving as I got the pics taken. A 
 baby deer walked by after.


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[RBW] FS Samuel Hillborne 60cm (nearly) complete

2013-06-04 Thread William R.


I've decided to try and see if there is any interest in my 60cm Sam. It's 
one of the blue beauties that I've had for a year. Frame bought straight 
from Riv. I built it up myself. It's a bit of an ecclectic build with the 
vintage Suntour Mountech derailleurs, but it all works sweet. Chris King 
headset. Albas with Dia Comp (Silver internals) friction shifters out on 
the ends of the bars. The photos show the bars without grips but they are 
wrapped with shellacked burgundy Neubaums over Cinelli cork (nice) just on 
the ends between the brake levers and the shifters. The stem is 12cm Velo 
Orange with stem adapter which makes it easy to switch the bars out. Chain, 
8-speed (12-34) cassette, IRD bottom bracket and Sugino XD600 triple 
crankset (26-36-46t, 175 length) are all new. Wheels are Mavic A317's laced 
to Shimano LX hubs (36h). Straight and true, less than a year old. Tires 
are Schwalbe Marathon Racers 38's with less than 500 miles on them. They 
look new. SKS silver fenders with reflective 3m tape are included. Disclaimer: 
the rear derailleur is limited to the top four gears in the little front 
chainring and the bottom four gears in the big front chainring. Middle ring 
shifts the full range. I've enjoyed this as it teaches good 
anti-cross-chaining skills and those unreachable gears are overlap anyways. 
Disclaimer #2: under the tape and twine chainstay protector on the drive 
side are some obligatory minor chain slap chips. They are small. No dents 
anywhere. No other chips, dents, scratches. Things shown in the photos that 
are not included: saddle, saddle bag, bottle, bottle cages, light, bell and 
pedals. I guess they are negotiable. If you want any of those things 
included let me know. It's a beautiful bike. The only reason I am looking 
to sell is that I recently added a new bike to my stable with the knowledge 
that I would have to let one go. Space restrictions, an understanding wife 
(within reason) and two kids...  Please email off list with any questions 
or for larger or additional photo files. I would like to find someone local 
in the New York Metro area to buy it. I live in southern Westchester Co. 
just north of the city. Interested parties on this list are welcome to come 
and test ride it. I will certainly consider shipping. We just need to 
figure out the particulars of that. I don't trust my packing skills. Let me 
know if you are interested. As far as price goes: I will entertain any 
realistic offers. Lets talk! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

2013-06-04 Thread Leslie
David, 
Not that one;  Alex in St Paul posted his for sale here as a complete, but 
I talked him into just the frame (and a few other bits). 
(http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc406-andrewkarre1107.html)
The official quoted size is 38; but that's usually on the conservative 
side, so, I'm hopeful.   

Tom,
I've seen that Conti has several CX tires, usually 32 or 35;  hadn't 
realized that that one has a 42 option;  usually Conti runs narrow, so that 
one might fit.   (I've got a set of the 42 Tour Rides in 650b, but have set 
them aside now).  Thanks for the input, Pudge!





On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:59:03 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you buy that Canti-Rom that was recently FS in the East Bay? I don't 
 know their max fit. Mine can just fit 42mm, but that is with ridiculous 
 close clearances. 40mm is much better. The MSO looks like it maxes out 
 right around 39, so could just fit for both of us!

 Cheers,
 David



 On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Leslie leslie...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 True, the Little Big Bens don't have side-knobs, only the even 
 square-block tread... I still think it might be a good tire for me, but, 
 I'm still looking for something w/ side-knobs, too.   And I agree, the 
 Sammy Slick does seem narrower than what I want, too.   

 I like the MSO, but it may be pushing it for fit on this bike.Oh...  
 I've recently gotten a canti-Rom frame, and I'm going to build it up as a 
 'gravel-grinder'.   A regular Romulus maxes out around a 37 or a 38, so I'm 
 hoping that I'd have enough room to squeeze an MSO on it, but the MSO may 
 be a step too far.   So, I'm searching for tires in the 38 range, and maybe 
 pushing it, to see what might suit. I like the Rock-n-Roads, but they 
 seem to measure a full 43, so I'm pretty confident that they can't make 
 it.   

 What's the max size your frame can fit?   And idea how close a canti-Rom 
 would be?






 On Monday, June 3, 2013 8:32:32 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Leslie, the Little BBs don't look like they have enough (any) side 
 knobs, and the SS are listed 35mm, so probably actually closer to 32 given 
 Schwalbe's inconsistency in sizing. I want a full 40, so the MSO is looking 
 good!

 Cheers,
 David



 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Leslie leslie...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm pondering other tires too, at the moment;have you considered 
 the Little Big Brown against the MSO and Happy Medium?   How about 
 Schwalbe 
 Sammy Slick?






 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:49:09 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, obsessive-compulsive 650B riders, this is your moment to shine!!!

 You're right about the tire growth. My JB-Gs are @ 34 right now. At 
 least the rear is @ 65psi. Front @ 40psi is still right @ 33.3.

 I found it linked to a MSO review I was reading. I think I'm down to 
 the MSO and the Kenda Happy Medium to replace my ZEDs. Probably closer to 
 the Kendas at the moment.

 Cheers,
 David



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  wrote:

  good find David.  One issue with this data is that some tires grow 
 with age. The JB Greens on my Coho are measuring 34.5 mm with abut 2000 
 miles on them on 20mm rims.  They were a 1.5mm narrower when I put them 
 on. 

 One big thing not well represented on the list are 650B tires... we 
 need more variety!

 ~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

2013-06-04 Thread Mike Schiller
I've seen reports of the MSO measuring ~40mm on wider rims like 24mm Dyad. 
On the Canti-roms with the right kind of brake pads ( the short ones that 
swing out of the way) you could probably fit the MSO's on the fork. I was 
thinking about adding canti's on my Ram for reason, but sold it to fund a 
custom.

~mike

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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

2013-06-04 Thread Joe Bernard
HA! At my age (51) and with the kind of mileage I do lately (not much), I 
would never live to see the day it got soft enough to be considered 
rideable. ;-)

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:16:52 AM UTC-7, clayton wrote:

 My B-17 special is about 15 years old and is still in great shape. When I 
 got it, I spread Sno-seal top and bottom and took a hair dryer to it for a 
 few minutes. I rubbed the melted snow seal in until my hand cramped. I did 
 that three times. After months of riding I was getting a little frustrated 
 that the saddle hadn't softened up. I used proofhide, Obenaufs, and finally 
 a little bit of neatsfoot oil to try to soften it up and it still remained 
 rock hard. The saddle looks like it will last another 15 years. Seriously. 
 Sno-seal is a wax and it soaked in so well and so deeply that it would not 
 let the oils or fats in, to soften the seat. I loosened the tension on the 
 saddle and after a year of flexing it is finally soft enough to let in oil. 
 I would suggest that if you want your saddle to last forever, Sno-seal the 
 hell out of it, heat it and repeat. Just don't expect it to soften up for a 
 long time.
 Clayton

 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:38:21 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Are the care needs of an undyed Brooks Select saddle any different from 
 the dyed ones? 
  
 Joe to Proofide or not to Proofide Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.



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[RBW] Re: New-to-Me Saluki

2013-06-04 Thread RoadieRyan
Sweet build - nice levers ;-)

On Monday, June 3, 2013 9:38:02 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:

 Congrats on the new bike Michael. It looks great. 

 --mike



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Re: [RBW] Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
That's funny. I haven't read O'Grady for years. Note though that O'Grady
was producing similar snide cartoons way back in the steel era.

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Re: [RBW] FS Samuel Hillborne 60cm (nearly) complete

2013-06-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
What are did you replace it with? Photos? Pleeze?

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 I've decided to try and see if there is any interest in my 60cm Sam. It's
 one of the blue beauties that I've had for a year. Frame bought straight
 from Riv. I built it up myself. It's a bit of an ecclectic build with the
 vintage Suntour Mountech derailleurs, but it all works sweet. Chris King
 headset. Albas with Dia Comp (Silver internals) friction shifters out on
 the ends of the bars. The photos show the bars without grips but they are
 wrapped with shellacked burgundy Neubaums over Cinelli cork (nice) just on
 the ends between the brake levers and the shifters. The stem is 12cm Velo
 Orange with stem adapter which makes it easy to switch the bars out. Chain,
 8-speed (12-34) cassette, IRD bottom bracket and Sugino XD600 triple
 crankset (26-36-46t, 175 length) are all new. Wheels are Mavic A317's laced
 to Shimano LX hubs (36h). Straight and true, less than a year old. Tires
 are Schwalbe Marathon Racers 38's with less than 500 miles on them. They
 look new. SKS silver fenders with reflective 3m tape are included. Disclaimer:
 the rear derailleur is limited to the top four gears in the little front
 chainring and the bottom four gears in the big front chainring. Middle ring
 shifts the full range. I've enjoyed this as it teaches good
 anti-cross-chaining skills and those unreachable gears are overlap anyways.
 Disclaimer #2: under the tape and twine chainstay protector on the drive
 side are some obligatory minor chain slap chips. They are small. No dents
 anywhere. No other chips, dents, scratches. Things shown in the photos
 that are not included: saddle, saddle bag, bottle, bottle cages, light,
 bell and pedals. I guess they are negotiable. If you want any of those
 things included let me know. It's a beautiful bike. The only reason I am
 looking to sell is that I recently added a new bike to my stable with the
 knowledge that I would have to let one go. Space restrictions, an
 understanding wife (within reason) and two kids...  Please email off list
 with any questions or for larger or additional photo files. I would like to
 find someone local in the New York Metro area to buy it. I live in southern
 Westchester Co. just north of the city. Interested parties on this list are
 welcome to come and test ride it. I will certainly consider shipping. We
 just need to figure out the particulars of that. I don't trust my packing
 skills. Let me know if you are interested. As far as price goes: I will
 entertain any realistic offers. Lets talk!

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[RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

2013-06-04 Thread Christopher Chen
We all won:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/sets/72157633914121553/

And some short videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/muffaleta

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[RBW] Betty Foy/Yves Gomez stem question

2013-06-04 Thread KLA
I am a female, 5'6, 84 PBH with an Yves, fist full of seat post showing, 
9cm nitto technomic stem.  The albatross bars feel a little too close - 
angled them down and lowered them, so the stem is level with the saddle, 
which helped.  

I thought a longer stem (11 or 12) would be better - but the LBS cautioned 
it would put more weight on my hands, and longer stems are usually for men, 
who often have shorter legs and longer torsos.  I have long legs for my 
height, and possibly long arms for my height.  Also, my neck gets tense, 
would a longer stem make that worse?
Most of the internet chatter about stem length discuss drop bars, not 
a-bars.

What stem length are other women on the Betty/Yves using  - I prefer being 
somewhat leaned over, not too upright!

Thanks!

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[RBW] New-to-Me Saluki

2013-06-04 Thread Zoraster
Absolutely beautiful! 

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[RBW] FS: Noodles 42cm

2013-06-04 Thread David Banzer
Excuse the crosspost. I posted this on iBob and it got buried under posts. 
Figured folks on this list might be interested.

FS: Nitto Noodles. 

42cm. 
Purchased new. 
Mounted in stem, brake levers, cloth tape installed, rode 15 miles. Then 
removed from bike.
Wine corks installed as bar plugs. 

$50 shipped USPS. 
Paypal payment, sent via a Personal option. 
Contact off-list please. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell handlebars comparaison

2013-06-04 Thread Dave Redmon
That's a truly wonderful set of photographs. Thanks for the treat!
 
Dave in Kansas
 

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 2:00:26 AM UTC-5, oli c wrote:

 ...poor mannered me left the above message sans signature.

 -best,

 Olivier in SF

 Here are some stems to make up for it: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8925887660/


 On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:52:22 PM UTC-7, oli c wrote:

 Thank you for the encouraging comments.
 A poster would be nice indeed. The handlebar should be at 100% size. It 
 may happen and I sure will keep you posted.
 An all-interactive on-line barstem selector with semi-transparent 
 overlay would be nice too. I can't code to save my life though. I'm all up 
 for it.



 On Saturday, June 1, 2013 12:36:42 PM UTC-7, oli c wrote:

 Good day bunch,
 here's an illustration demonstrating the geometry differences between 
 the current Nitto-crafted Rivendell-designed handlebars.
 It may answer at least six unasked questions.

 Here's the link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/

 Stay safe and be comfortable,

 Olivier



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[RBW] Just Repair

2013-06-04 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Tip O' The Mouse to Master-of-The-Useful-Hack JimG, who posted this link:

http://www.archive.org/stream/bicyclerepairing00burr#page/n7/mode/2up

Bicycle Repairing - A Manual Compiled From Articles in THE IRON AGE - 1896

Can't begin to pick a favorite section, but love the fact that the shop 
layout includes an anvil.

Enjoy!

- Jim / cyclofiend.com



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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy/Yves Gomez stem question

2013-06-04 Thread Peter Morgano
You can just chop an inch off the end of the Albas if that's the part that
feels too close. My wife is about your height, maybe a bit taller and likes
the bars higher but with less comeback so she uses a Northroad bar on her
MB2. 9cm dirt drop stem.


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:28 PM, KLA kstyl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am a female, 5'6, 84 PBH with an Yves, fist full of seat post showing,
 9cm nitto technomic stem.  The albatross bars feel a little too close -
 angled them down and lowered them, so the stem is level with the saddle,
 which helped.

 I thought a longer stem (11 or 12) would be better - but the LBS cautioned
 it would put more weight on my hands, and longer stems are usually for men,
 who often have shorter legs and longer torsos.  I have long legs for my
 height, and possibly long arms for my height.  Also, my neck gets tense,
 would a longer stem make that worse?
 Most of the internet chatter about stem length discuss drop bars, not
 a-bars.

 What stem length are other women on the Betty/Yves using  - I prefer being
 somewhat leaned over, not too upright!

 Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy/Yves Gomez stem question

2013-06-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
KLA (what is you actual name?): good questions. It's not always true that a
greater reach means more weight on your arms and hands. If your saddle is
correctly positioned (http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm), your
back muscles will to one extent or another act as a cantilever to hold your
torso up even when extended relatively low and forward.

Another point: if you extend the reach but raise the bar, you may find less
weight on your shoulders/arms/hands than with a lower but nearer bar.

There are two ways to find the ideal position: one, buy and install that
new stem, evaluate, and repeat as needed -- iow, personal experience. The
other way is to get a competent professional fitting for the sort of riding
you do and your body type.


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, KLA kstyl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am a female, 5'6, 84 PBH with an Yves, fist full of seat post showing,
 9cm nitto technomic stem.  The albatross bars feel a little too close -
 angled them down and lowered them, so the stem is level with the saddle,
 which helped.

 I thought a longer stem (11 or 12) would be better - but the LBS cautioned
 it would put more weight on my hands, and longer stems are usually for men,
 who often have shorter legs and longer torsos.  I have long legs for my
 height, and possibly long arms for my height.  Also, my neck gets tense,
 would a longer stem make that worse?
 Most of the internet chatter about stem length discuss drop bars, not
 a-bars.

 What stem length are other women on the Betty/Yves using  - I prefer being
 somewhat leaned over, not too upright!

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy/Yves Gomez stem question

2013-06-04 Thread William
My wife is 5'2 and runs a 52cm Yves with no seatpost showing.  She runs an 
Albatross bar with a 12cm stem.  

On Monday, June 3, 2013 12:28:24 PM UTC-7, KLA wrote:

 I am a female, 5'6, 84 PBH with an Yves, fist full of seat post showing, 
 9cm nitto technomic stem.  The albatross bars feel a little too close - 
 angled them down and lowered them, so the stem is level with the saddle, 
 which helped.  

 I thought a longer stem (11 or 12) would be better - but the LBS cautioned 
 it would put more weight on my hands, and longer stems are usually for men, 
 who often have shorter legs and longer torsos.  I have long legs for my 
 height, and possibly long arms for my height.  Also, my neck gets tense, 
 would a longer stem make that worse?
 Most of the internet chatter about stem length discuss drop bars, not 
 a-bars.

 What stem length are other women on the Betty/Yves using  - I prefer being 
 somewhat leaned over, not too upright!

 Thanks!


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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

2013-06-04 Thread Adam
Greetings All,
 
Wanted to update you all about how our plans are proceeding. We're planning 
to take the train up to Seattle and ride to Anacortes via this route- 
http://goo.gl/maps/18zd5. From there we'll ferry and ride around the 
various San Juan islands for a few days. Departing from the islands we're 
planning to catch the train from Burlington to Tacoma. From Tacoma we've 
got this route- *http://goo.gl/maps/jpGQn* http://goo.gl/maps/jpGQn inspired 
by a similar route posted by Jan Heine. We'll arrive in Portland on either 
the 17th or 18th of July and have two or three nights booked in the 
Hawthorne Hostel. I would love to hear any feedback about our routes that 
would be helpful as well as any ideas of fun things we could get into 
while in Portland on the 18th or 19th.
 
Warm regards,
Adam

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Re: [RBW] FS Samuel Hillborne 60cm (nearly) complete

2013-06-04 Thread William R.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-R7ZLsOeh0XA/Ua43aJJ5QDI/AF0/Ccqzo6eSzow/s1600/IMG_0043.JPG

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[RBW] Re: Just Repair

2013-06-04 Thread Ron Mc
really cool, but I have to change my display to gray levels to read it - 
the yellow gets a bit old.  

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 1:13:32 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Tip O' The Mouse to Master-of-The-Useful-Hack JimG, who posted this link:

 http://www.archive.org/stream/bicyclerepairing00burr#page/n7/mode/2up

 Bicycle Repairing - A Manual Compiled From Articles in THE IRON AGE - 
 1896

 Can't begin to pick a favorite section, but love the fact that the shop 
 layout includes an anvil.

 Enjoy!

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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

2013-06-04 Thread Ron Mc
I think it's possible to use Proofide too often - there are some posts on 
the Brooks England website that attest to that.  I better like Obenauf's 
that Riv sells.  It can go on real thin and is a better wax.  

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:39:15 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 HA! At my age (51) and with the kind of mileage I do lately (not much), I 
 would never live to see the day it got soft enough to be considered 
 rideable. ;-)

 On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:16:52 AM UTC-7, clayton wrote:

 My B-17 special is about 15 years old and is still in great shape. When I 
 got it, I spread Sno-seal top and bottom and took a hair dryer to it for a 
 few minutes. I rubbed the melted snow seal in until my hand cramped. I did 
 that three times. After months of riding I was getting a little frustrated 
 that the saddle hadn't softened up. I used proofhide, Obenaufs, and finally 
 a little bit of neatsfoot oil to try to soften it up and it still remained 
 rock hard. The saddle looks like it will last another 15 years. Seriously. 
 Sno-seal is a wax and it soaked in so well and so deeply that it would not 
 let the oils or fats in, to soften the seat. I loosened the tension on the 
 saddle and after a year of flexing it is finally soft enough to let in oil. 
 I would suggest that if you want your saddle to last forever, Sno-seal the 
 hell out of it, heat it and repeat. Just don't expect it to soften up for a 
 long time.
 Clayton

 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:38:21 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Are the care needs of an undyed Brooks Select saddle any different from 
 the dyed ones? 
  
 Joe to Proofide or not to Proofide Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.



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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy/Yves Gomez stem question

2013-06-04 Thread Garth


*Longer stems are usually for men*.   Ahahahahaah !As if *that* has 
anything to do with your choice  lol.  I would try another shop, one 
that can let you borrow or try out some different length stems before 
buying them.  Or like me , I bought an inexpensive VO threadless stem 
adapter , and some inexpensive threadless stems on ebay. I use them for 
fitting purposes, or in the case of one bike I ended up using the VO 
adapter as I found a great looking threadless stem :)   The beauty of these 
are you can change any time. If you ever changed bars, change the 
threadless stem instead of the whole *unwrap the bars and find a new stem 
thing*. 


I would not cut the bars !  No way !!!  Stems are much easier to change and 
why they exist in different sizes. Once you cut a bar ... there is no 
adding it back ! 

Trust yourself ... you know your body better than any bike shop as to what 
YOU want :)

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[RBW] Re: Just Repair

2013-06-04 Thread Liesl
Wow!  Thanks for this totally cool resource.  I look forward to delving 
in.  I've already found a Bosco on page 116.  And I love The Iron Age 
moniker.  Seems fertile ground for a Rivvish bike patch/pin series!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell handlebars comparaison

2013-06-04 Thread Liesl
On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:00:40 AM UTC-5, Dave Redmon wrote:

 That's a truly wonderful set of photographs. Thanks for the treat!


No kidding!  Great set of bike, lug, bar, and in-situ photos (not to 
mention dang helpful bar comparisons). Thank you! 

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[RBW] Re: Start of Summer shenanigans.

2013-06-04 Thread Liesl
Manny, thank you so much for your photography.  It lifts my spirits, brings 
back memories, inspires my sense of adventure and physicality, and shares 
the beauty you experience.  Just a joy to click on your links every time.
cheers, RCW

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Re: [RBW] Start of Summer shenanigans.

2013-06-04 Thread Lee Chae
Hey Manny. I just wanted to ask where in the Headlands you camped? I'm
trying to do a quick overnight this Friday, but I know Hawk, Haypress, and
Bicentennial in the Headlands are all booked. Did you reserve a site or do
you have a stealth spot you go to?

Thanks!
Lee



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 wrote:

 Great weekend riding bikes.
 Some highlights
 - Checking out and meeting familiar and new folks at the opening of the
 Rivendell SF Pop-Up store. The pop-up shops looks good, great layout and a
 good number of demo bikes there not really meant for demoing. The raffle
 was the highlight of the night and was a blast! For those that stayed after
 the raffle Dav and Jenny jammed out to some music till closing. Dav did a
 great job setting everything up and replicating the great experience of
 Rivendell HQ! Afterwords convinced a handful of the employees and a couple
 of locals in doing a ride after the pop-up store. The usually suspects
 Sean, Will with some locals Mike and Brencho (kind of local) went on trying
 to catch the sunset at the Enchanted forrest. Had a blast riding in near
 darkness and grabbing coffee before doing all over again.

 - Went on a mixed terrain ride with some Rando-folks and Jeremy Thill
 starting from Fremont ending wherever.
 Jeremy did a good job writing it up here.
 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/X1P44qvUJ0k/ZlwInRnDa_IJ

 - Did a quick overnight with Mike, Jared, Will, Adam and Brencho in the
 Marin Headlands. Started pretty late and already tired so we did took our
 time getting to camp. The wind and the fog was howling so we opted for some
 tree coverage. The morning the fog semi burned off and Mike happily showed
 the group through some of his favorite trails of the Marin Headlands. It
 seemed like we rolled just below the fog line and had amazing views of the
 city and beyond.

 - Great weekend of coffee and bike riding shenanigans. And the summer only
 just started..

 Pictures proved that summertime in California is here:
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFJWzEB

 -Manny Let the summer begin! Acosta



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[RBW] Saddlesack (med) grocery loading strategy and related questions

2013-06-04 Thread WETH
Patrick,
That is quite the impressive load!  Well done.
I use the large Saddlesack and load outside the store.  I would be too stressed 
trying to load while checking out, all with impatient folks behind me.  I take 
my items outside to my bike, analyze what I have, and load accordingly.  
Similar to a game of tetrus.  With your load I would have placed the milk in 
first toward the back of the bag to get its weight more forward and to give 
form to the bag.  Last in would be fragile things like fruit, which would go on 
top or closest to closure.  Most likely that is what you did.  You could also 
strap lightweight bulky items to the top of the bag, like the maxipads. ;) 
Assuming the medium bag has the ability to  secure straps to the outside this 
would give more room inside the bag.
I use a rack with the large Saddlesack and do not find room compromised; in 
fact on my Surly the large would be unusable without the rack.  The large is 
designed, I believe, to be secured on the bottom to a rack and on top to the 
saddle.  There is no means to connect it to the seat post.
It sounds like you have a good system with the panniers.
Good luck,
Erl

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[RBW] How long are Meisha's Cork Grips?

2013-06-04 Thread Michael
Anyone measured them?

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[RBW] Betty Foy/Yves Gomez stem question

2013-06-04 Thread bobish
I can only imagine that they're saying a longer stem will put more weight on 
your hands because it will stretch out your reach and get you leaning on the 
bars (weight of upper body on hands). Since you have long arms, found the a-bar 
comes too far back, and like to be a little more stretched out anyway, it would 
make sense to try a longer stem. Do you figure 3 cm or so would put the 
handlebar more to your liking? Do you like the bar otherwise? If yes to both, 
I'd try the longer stem.

Perry

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[RBW] Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread Michael
They say you should go to a wider saddle for upright riding than a B17, but 
I have a sprung Brooks Flyer I'd like to keep using.
 
Anyone doing it? How does the saddle work for upright riding? Wide enough 
for you?

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[RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-04 Thread dougP
We have several of those guys on the left in our local club.  One of my 
touring buds refers to them as large diameter people on skinny tires.

dougP

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:53:07 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:

 Thought the group might enjoy this. Mud Stud obviously doesn't work at RBW 
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[RBW] Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread Michael
There is another thread on here from a year ago that didn't answer the 
question.
 
The stock builds come with steel. I am sure they are fantastic.
I have read a complaint about the aluminum version being too flexy.
 
Any votes here? What are you using and how does it feel to you?
Thanks for the advice.

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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

2013-06-04 Thread Marc Irwin
I want to thank everybody for the hospitality and good times in Minnesota. 
 It was a pleasure to meet and ride with you all and I am looking forward 
to another opportunity.  I had fun, until I had to drive back through 
Chicago, but that reminds of how the poor people live-the poor people who 
drive to work!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
When I see bulky, sweaty folk in tight lycra, I think more of large
diameters in skinny tubes. But hell, they are riding, leavem alone.

Patrick Moore,

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 One of my touring buds refers to them as large diameter people on skinny
 tires.

 dougP


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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy/Yves Gomez stem question

2013-06-04 Thread Garth
I should have noted  I use a 0 degree 13cm. stem on my 60cm Bombadil 
even with it's long-ish top tube.  If the TT was more than a cm. shorter , 
I'd use a 14cm. 
My bars are a couple of inches above the middle of the saddle.  But with 
the Albas I can literally ride with my elbows on top of the bars in hight 
winds, so having lower bars is not necessarily better .  An Aerodynamic 
position is not all about bar height, because one with a flatish back and 
arms bent at a right angle is more aero than one with a flatish or rising 
back and arms pointed downward at an angle to lower bars.  The arms are 
levers ... and are meant to bend !!!   



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[RBW] FS Campy Triple w/ BB and Paul Touring canti's

2013-06-04 Thread Mike Schiller
Few more items no longer being used for sale.
1. Campy Centaur triple crankset. 50-40-30 chainrings . 30T is brand new 
the two other rings are in great shape. Comes with Campy 111mm Square taper 
bottom bracket that were used together.   $110 shipped in Cont US.
2. Paul touring cantilevers with koolstop salmon pads, Almost new, used 
less than a few hundred miles.   $100 shipped in Cont US

pics here 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/sets/72157632103185708/with/8953529004/

contact offline if interested.

~mike
Carlsbad ca.

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[RBW] Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread WETH
Michael,
I have steel alba bars on two bikes and like them a great deal.  I notice no 
flex when I stand to pedal.  I am about 5'10 and 170lbs.  I have no experience 
with the aluminum, sorry.

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[RBW] Re: Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread Garth

Steel for me :)  Given a choice of Al or steel bars, I'll take the steel 
most every time.  I ride out of the saddle alot, up and down ye hills of 
yore.  I pull and push on them hard  I suppose they flex if measured in 
a lab but I don't notice it at all.  3 cheers 4 steel :) 

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[RBW] Re: Start of Summer shenanigans.

2013-06-04 Thread jinxed
Such crazy fun happening. Ive ridden in a lot of places on all types of 
terrain. I can't say that I had more fun than when riding the shell ridge / 
diablo area. Seeing these pictures is damn near unbearable. Especially 
while waiting on my bike to come back from paint.

In the mean time I took all this ride inspiration and redirected it with a 
paint brush.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/8953844208/

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Re: [RBW] How long are Meisha's Cork Grips?

2013-06-04 Thread David Hays
I measure about 4 1/4 -4 3/8 or about 110mm.
David


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 Anyone measured them?
 
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[RBW] Am I nuts?

2013-06-04 Thread justinaugust
Sanity check-
SimpleOne, after nearly leaving the stable, has taken over as my main ride 
since I took the Saluki's wheel set to do a conversion on the lady's bike. I 
currently have the Resist 700x45s on there and love it. However there's also 
some trails out in the Wissahickon I'd like to ride on this bad boy. 

I was thinking about setting up a cockpit to be quick switched (not a problem) 
with the following gearing:
42 / 34 front
17 rear on one side
22 on the other. I see no problem and think I could even go smaller up front if 
I switched to a triple instead of a double (bash guarded, etc). 


Is this nuts? Should I just get a mountain bike?

-J, PHl

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[RBW] Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread Peter Pesce
I have the AL Albas on my Sam with no issues, but I'd hardly say I stress them'

Pete in CT

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[RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread Julian
Michael, 

I've been using one on my commuter w/upright bars for 4 years now with no 
issues whatsoever. I'm a bit less than bolt upright with hands on the 
grips, but still pretty upright. Since you've already got the Flyer, just 
give it a try! 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



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 They say you should go to a wider saddle for upright riding than a B17, 
 but I have a sprung Brooks Flyer I'd like to keep using.
  
 Anyone doing it? How does the saddle work for upright riding? Wide enough 
 for you?


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[RBW] Re: Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread Ginz
I was using steel but am switching over to Aluminum.  Mostly looking to 
lighten' up my every day all day bike and this is one of the few ways I can 
do it!  I think the difference is mainly weight and price unless you ride 
hard on trails and what not.  That sort of riding is reserved for my 
hunqapillar.

I'll have a spare steel version for my hunqapillar.

 

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[RBW] Re: FS Campy Triple w/ BB and Paul Touring canti's

2013-06-04 Thread Mike Schiller
Paul brakes are sold pending payment.

thx

~mike

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:00:30 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Few more items no longer being used for sale.
 1. Campy Centaur triple crankset. 50-40-30 chainrings . 30T is brand new 
 the two other rings are in great shape. Comes with Campy 111mm Square taper 
 bottom bracket that were used together.   $110 shipped in Cont US.
 2. Paul touring cantilevers with koolstop salmon pads, Almost new, used 
 less than a few hundred miles.   $100 shipped in Cont US

 pics here 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/sets/72157632103185708/with/8953529004/

 contact offline if interested.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad ca.


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[RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread George Schick
Depends to some extent on what you mean by upright.  I've been riding a 
Surly 1x1 for over 6 years now with a Flyer saddle and about as short a 
reach threadless stem as they make with no issues.  'Course, the older 
1x1's had a frame with a longer TT and therefore overall reach than the 
current models, but I often sit back and ride hands-free for considerable 
distances with no issues.  I'd say give it a shot.


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 They say you should go to a wider saddle for upright riding than a B17, 
 but I have a sprung Brooks Flyer I'd like to keep using.
  
 Anyone doing it? How does the saddle work for upright riding? Wide enough 
 for you?


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[RBW] Re: FS Campy Triple w/ BB and Paul Touring canti's

2013-06-04 Thread Mike Schiller
forgot to note that crankset has 175mm arms

~mike

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[RBW] Re: Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
Steel Albas here. I ride a lot of single track and a few times have 
absorbed enough front impact to drop the tilt of my bars (after which I 
read just them and keep moving, mindful to see the unseen a bit better next 
time. Grin.). No idea how the aluminum would compare, but I suspect I would 
stress them more/faster. Plus, with vertigo, less flex is a good thing. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:16:52 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 There is another thread on here from a year ago that didn't answer the 
 question.
  
 The stock builds come with steel. I am sure they are fantastic.
 I have read a complaint about the aluminum version being too flexy.
  
 Any votes here? What are you using and how does it feel to you?
 Thanks for the advice.


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RE: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-04 Thread Marc Schwartz
As a Riv-riding well-stuffed kielbassa, I have to agree with Mr. Moore; please 
leave them (US!) alone?
Marc ( I Love Beer) Schwartz

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

When I see bulky, sweaty folk in tight lycra, I think more of large diameters 
in skinny tubes. But hell, they are riding, leavem alone.

Patrick Moore,

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM, dougP 
dougpn...@cox.netmailto:dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
One of my touring buds refers to them as large diameter people on skinny 
tires.

dougP

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Re: [RBW] Am I nuts?

2013-06-04 Thread cyclotourist
Sounds perfect, what's the problem? :-)

Cheers,
David



On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sanity check-
 SimpleOne, after nearly leaving the stable, has taken over as my main ride
 since I took the Saluki's wheel set to do a conversion on the lady's bike.
 I currently have the Resist 700x45s on there and love it. However there's
 also some trails out in the Wissahickon I'd like to ride on this bad boy.

 I was thinking about setting up a cockpit to be quick switched (not a
 problem) with the following gearing:
 42 / 34 front
 17 rear on one side
 22 on the other. I see no problem and think I could even go smaller up
 front if I switched to a triple instead of a double (bash guarded, etc).


 Is this nuts? Should I just get a mountain bike?

 -J, PHl

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Re: [RBW] Saddlesack (med) grocery loading strategy and related questions

2013-06-04 Thread Anne Paulson
I don't have a strategy. I use the large Saddlesack, have them put the
groceries in bags (now we have to supply our own) and just shove
everything in. The load you describe (gallon milk, 2 bottles wine,
maxipads, blueberries) would fit easily with no tetris problem. If I
have a lot more than that, sometimes I end up unpacking some of the
bags and carefully filling up the corners.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote:
 Patrick,
 That is quite the impressive load!  Well done.
 I use the large Saddlesack and load outside the store.  I would be too 
 stressed trying to load while checking out, all with impatient folks behind 
 me.  I take my items outside to my bike, analyze what I have, and load 
 accordingly.  Similar to a game of tetrus.  With your load I would have 
 placed the milk in first toward the back of the bag to get its weight more 
 forward and to give form to the bag.  Last in would be fragile things like 
 fruit, which would go on top or closest to closure.  Most likely that is what 
 you did.  You could also strap lightweight bulky items to the top of the bag, 
 like the maxipads. ;) Assuming the medium bag has the ability to  secure 
 straps to the outside this would give more room inside the bag.
 I use a rack with the large Saddlesack and do not find room compromised; in 
 fact on my Surly the large would be unusable without the rack.  The large is 
 designed, I believe, to be secured on the bottom to a rack and on top to the 
 saddle.  There is no means to connect it to the seat post.
 It sounds like you have a good system with the panniers.
 Good luck,
 Erl

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[RBW] Family Ramble

2013-06-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
Woke up today knowing there would be a lot of LOUD construction due to all the 
heavy equipment that had appeared in town over the weekend. My plan was to 
escape to Rampart Reservoir which was partly burned by the Waldo Canyon fire 
last year. But I really didn't want to spend another day away from my wife and 
kids, so asked if they would join me (driving part way there to make it 
possible). Indeed they did, so off we went.

Everything looked lush and green (for Colorado) and untouched for the first 
2/3rds of the ride. Then trails that had been old roads overgrown to single 
track were freshly plowed from fire trucks getting access. Entire new junctions 
existed and we sent out our oldest lassies as scouts to try and figure out 
which ones to take. Getting lost actually took us into the burn area. Wow. The 
transformation from pine and aspen forest to chard lodge poles without a lodge 
is stunning to see. After a few tries at a few places, we got it right. Our 
site was untouched.

The thunderstorms began rolling in, everyone but me ate lunch (since I fast for 
24 hours between meals), we got a wonderful drenching and light and sound show, 
and home we bound.

Life is beautiful! What a wondrous way to spend 8 hours avoiding construction 
noise!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157633937237638/

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Repair

2013-06-04 Thread cyclotourist
Retro-grouch field manual.

Cheers,
David



On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 Wow!  Thanks for this totally cool resource.  I look forward to delving
 in.  I've already found a Bosco on page 116.  And I love The Iron Age
 moniker.  Seems fertile ground for a Rivvish bike patch/pin series!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

2013-06-04 Thread cyclotourist
That's a good one as well! The East Bay one caught my attention for a
minute or two!!!

Tom  Thomas: Those 42mm Contis look intriguing! Another option out there!

Cheers,
David



On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:

 David,
 Not that one;  Alex in St Paul posted his for sale here as a complete, but
 I talked him into just the frame (and a few other bits).
 (http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc406-andrewkarre1107.html)
 The official quoted size is 38; but that's usually on the conservative
 side, so, I'm hopeful.

 Tom,
 I've seen that Conti has several CX tires, usually 32 or 35;  hadn't
 realized that that one has a 42 option;  usually Conti runs narrow, so that
 one might fit.   (I've got a set of the 42 Tour Rides in 650b, but have set
 them aside now).  Thanks for the input, Pudge!






 On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:59:03 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you buy that Canti-Rom that was recently FS in the East Bay? I don't
 know their max fit. Mine can just fit 42mm, but that is with ridiculous
 close clearances. 40mm is much better. The MSO looks like it maxes out
 right around 39, so could just fit for both of us!

 Cheers,
 David



 On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Leslie leslie...@gmail.com wrote:

 True, the Little Big Bens don't have side-knobs, only the even
 square-block tread... I still think it might be a good tire for me, but,
 I'm still looking for something w/ side-knobs, too.   And I agree, the
 Sammy Slick does seem narrower than what I want, too.

 I like the MSO, but it may be pushing it for fit on this bike.Oh...
 I've recently gotten a canti-Rom frame, and I'm going to build it up as a
 'gravel-grinder'.   A regular Romulus maxes out around a 37 or a 38, so I'm
 hoping that I'd have enough room to squeeze an MSO on it, but the MSO may
 be a step too far.   So, I'm searching for tires in the 38 range, and maybe
 pushing it, to see what might suit. I like the Rock-n-Roads, but they
 seem to measure a full 43, so I'm pretty confident that they can't make
 it.

 What's the max size your frame can fit?   And idea how close a canti-Rom
 would be?






 On Monday, June 3, 2013 8:32:32 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Leslie, the Little BBs don't look like they have enough (any) side
 knobs, and the SS are listed 35mm, so probably actually closer to 32 given
 Schwalbe's inconsistency in sizing. I want a full 40, so the MSO is looking
 good!

 Cheers,
 David



 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Leslie leslie...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm pondering other tires too, at the moment;have you considered
 the Little Big Brown against the MSO and Happy Medium?   How about 
 Schwalbe
 Sammy Slick?






 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:49:09 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, obsessive-compulsive 650B riders, this is your moment to shine!!!

 You're right about the tire growth. My JB-Gs are @ 34 right now. At
 least the rear is @ 65psi. Front @ 40psi is still right @ 33.3.

 I found it linked to a MSO review I was reading. I think I'm down to
 the MSO and the Kenda Happy Medium to replace my ZEDs. Probably closer to
 the Kendas at the moment.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Mike Schiller 
 mikey...@rocketmail.com wrote:

  good find David.  One issue with this data is that some tires grow
 with age. The JB Greens on my Coho are measuring 34.5 mm with abut 2000
 miles on them on 20mm rims.  They were a 1.5mm narrower when I put them 
 on.

 One big thing not well represented on the list are 650B tires... we
 need more variety!

 ~mike

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[RBW] Re: Am I nuts?

2013-06-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
Yes. You're nuts. But as David points out, what's the problem? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:22:56 PM UTC-6, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sanity check-
 SimpleOne, after nearly leaving the stable, has taken over as my main ride 
 since I took the Saluki's wheel set to do a conversion on the lady's bike. 
 I currently have the Resist 700x45s on there and love it. However there's 
 also some trails out in the Wissahickon I'd like to ride on this bad boy. 

 I was thinking about setting up a cockpit to be quick switched (not a 
 problem) with the following gearing:
 42 / 34 front
 17 rear on one side
 22 on the other. I see no problem and think I could even go smaller up 
 front if I switched to a triple instead of a double (bash guarded, etc). 


 Is this nuts? Should I just get a mountain bike?

 -J, PHl



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[RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
Since everyone's answer is different and it's no cost to try what you own, 
may I humbly suggest you are in the best position to expertly answer your 
dilemma? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 3:35:39 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 They say you should go to a wider saddle for upright riding than a B17, 
 but I have a sprung Brooks Flyer I'd like to keep using.
  
 Anyone doing it? How does the saddle work for upright riding? Wide enough 
 for you?


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[RBW] Family Ramble

2013-06-04 Thread WETH
Patrick,
Glad you were able to enjoy such a wonderful day.  The photos are beautiful.
I bike for many reasons, but one reason is rooted in my childhood.  On 
Saturdays, I would accompany my dad on a leisurely bike ride around our town 
that included breakfast at a local diner.  Seeing your children biking with you 
stirred some great memories for me.
Thanks,Erl

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Re: [RBW] Family Ramble

2013-06-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Family and bicycling: for 6 months or so after my divorce in 2003, I'd
often have my then-2-year-old-daughter Catie for the weekend, and Saturdays
evolved to a pattern of breakfast, then riding out on the Raleigh Technium
fixie pulling Catie in the trailer. We'd cruise through the nearby shopping
center and stop at the dollar store where I'd buy replacement kitchen gear
and she inspected the helium balloons (Daddy! Daddy! Balloon? Balloon?)
With one or two trailing from the trailer cockpit, we'd then ride 1/2 mile
to the trailhead and do some fitness mileage -- let me tell you, honking a
high-60's gear with a doublewide child trailer into a 20 mph wind is quite
exercising.

This, when were weren't cruising the apartment complex paths in her
pneumatic tired, freewheeling, parent-steering-override Radio Flyer trike.

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 Patrick,
 Glad you were able to enjoy such a wonderful day.  The photos are
 beautiful.
 I bike for many reasons, but one reason is rooted in my childhood.  On
 Saturdays, I would accompany my dad on a leisurely bike ride around our
 town that included breakfast at a local diner.  Seeing your children biking
 with you stirred some great memories for me.
 Thanks,Erl

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[RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread Jeremy Till
Bolt upright on a Flyer here, with the Bosco Bullmooses on my QB.  So far, 
it's awesome.  I say give it a go and only change if there's a problem.  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/85709120@N07/8714991825/

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 2:35:39 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 They say you should go to a wider saddle for upright riding than a B17, 
 but I have a sprung Brooks Flyer I'd like to keep using.
  
 Anyone doing it? How does the saddle work for upright riding? Wide enough 
 for you?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Repair

2013-06-04 Thread Seth Vidal
There are no words to describe how awesome this is. Also - look at 'another
method of holding a bicycle' The figure is on page 30 - the description on
page 31.


-sv



On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:46 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Retro-grouch field manual.

 Cheers,
 David



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 Wow!  Thanks for this totally cool resource.  I look forward to delving
 in.  I've already found a Bosco on page 116.  And I love The Iron Age
 moniker.  Seems fertile ground for a Rivvish bike patch/pin series!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

2013-06-04 Thread Mike Schiller
Riv used to carry the Conti Speed king in 42. Measured around 38 mm.  The 
Conti Cross ride looks a bit beefier to me.

Vee Rubber also carries a few 700x40's... the X-C-X and Rail and maybe 
others.  

~mike

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[RBW] Re: Family Ramble

2013-06-04 Thread Michael


 Looked like some sweet riding. Beautiful.

Thanks for sharing. 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread René Sterental
I ride upright on B17 saddles on my Hunqapillar and Betty with no issues. I
actually find the width perfect for upright riding. I once tried a wider
one and didn't like it as the wings hit my thighs. Then again, I haven't
tried that in a long time and have a new never used B67 (unsprung) that I
might try again just to see what happens...

René


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 Bolt upright on a Flyer here, with the Bosco Bullmooses on my QB.  So far,
 it's awesome.  I say give it a go and only change if there's a problem.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/85709120@N07/8714991825/


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 They say you should go to a wider saddle for upright riding than a B17,
 but I have a sprung Brooks Flyer I'd like to keep using.

 Anyone doing it? How does the saddle work for upright riding? Wide enough
 for you?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy/Yves Gomez stem question

2013-06-04 Thread René Sterental
One way to assess if you'd like a longer stem is to move your brake levers
and grips (or remove the grips for a while) forward to pretend the bar is
further away and see if you prefer that. If your grips are glued it might
mean destroying them and then getting a new set once you've decided, which
if you go for a longer stem you'll have to do anyway...

René


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 I should have noted  I use a 0 degree 13cm. stem on my 60cm Bombadil
 even with it's long-ish top tube.  If the TT was more than a cm. shorter ,
 I'd use a 14cm.
 My bars are a couple of inches above the middle of the saddle.  But with
 the Albas I can literally ride with my elbows on top of the bars in hight
 winds, so having lower bars is not necessarily better .  An Aerodynamic
 position is not all about bar height, because one with a flatish back and
 arms bent at a right angle is more aero than one with a flatish or rising
 back and arms pointed downward at an angle to lower bars.  The arms are
 levers ... and are meant to bend !!!



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[RBW] Re: Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread Michael


 ...torn between two Albas...feelin' like a fool...

 
Wonder if the chro mo, or alu will last longer? 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread Michael


 So sounds like the Flyer is great in upright use.

 
I figured I would know when I tried, but was hastily curious to find out. I 
don't have the Albas yet. Hope to order soon.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread Michael


 @Rene,

I used to have a cheapy B67-ish shaped saddle on a Raleigh, and it was hard 
sometimes to pedal downward as I found the saddle blocked my thighs.
 
Hopefully the Flyer will be great. 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ahh. I get it now. The Albas were the missing piece. Your questions 
makes more sense to my sardonic brain now. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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 So sounds like the Flyer is great in upright use.

  
 I figured I would know when I tried, but was hastily curious to find out. 
 I don't have the Albas yet. Hope to order soon.


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[RBW] Re: How long are Meisha's Cork Grips?

2013-06-04 Thread Michael


 Thank you David for your time and help. I appreciate it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread Peter Morgano
I had the albas in aluminum. I am not a small guy and hammered on them
sometimes, never felt any discernible flex. Mind you this wasn't down hill
or single track  but they were nice and light and finish was amazing.

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 ...torn between two Albas...feelin' like a fool...


 Wonder if the chro mo, or alu will last longer?

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[RBW] RBW Blug Raleighs in my family...

2013-06-04 Thread Michael
My bro-in-law has these same two (looks alike anyway) red and green 
Raleighs and I was over at his place a while back and took pics.
RBW should have Sugino make some RBW logo cranks like Raleigh had their 
logo on their bikes back then.
Neat bikes can be seen here. Enjoy:
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157633937039591/

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[RBW] Re: RBW Blug Raleighs in my family...

2013-06-04 Thread Michael


 ...also matching painted fenders like the Rahleighs would be the 
 bomb-adilicious...

 
...dig the short stems on those british bikes...British fit idea?

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Blug Raleighs in my family...

2013-06-04 Thread Peter Morgano
RBW should have Sugino make some RBW logo cranks like Raleigh had their
logo on their bikes back then

One of the upshots of building 10s of thousands of bikes a year, the
downside of course is that they were made with lets say, less than the best
attention to details.


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 ...also matching painted fenders like the Rahleighs would be the
 bomb-adilicious...


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[RBW] Re: Anyone riding upright with Brooks Flyer saddle?

2013-06-04 Thread Michael


 My back seems to like bars no higher than saddle height.

 
But sometimes I want to sit higher, so I was thinking that maybe my back 
would be ok with *totally* upright. Maybe it is the between that the back 
doesn't like.
 
On the short test rides I have had with my wife's upright bike, my back 
seemed to be ok. So I thought I would try it on the Sam, and maybe keep the 
Bleriot as the drop bar bike, or vice versa.

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