date:20130730

+1 for a front seat like iBert until they are big enough to hold on in the 
back (around 3), then no official seat is needed, but a wood platform on 
the rear rack works great with stoker bars. Easy way to carry two on one 
bike that way.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:08:55 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.  My 
 grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it, so 
 I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any 
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by a lack of opinions!  A few quick 
comments:

1) Grants says any color headtube as long as it's cream (or the same 
color as the rest of the bike)

2) the diminutive frame size, the diagatube and tentacular stays, and my 
request for a fork that'll take 55mm tires all combined are a design 
challenge worthy of the designer!  last report was it's like fitting four 
balls into three and a half holes.  Keep your fingers crossed on that 
front.

keep your suggestions coming!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread EGNolan

I've used rear seats, which work well, even when the children fall asleep 
as both of my children have often done. Trailers are fine, but I've 
preferred having the children up high where they can see what I see as well 
as talk more easily. I've got a nearly 5 yr old (who rides his own bike 
around the neighborhood)  a 2.5 yr old (who rides her balance bike around 
the neighborhood). I purchased a Yuba Mundo last winter; both my wife  I 
use it much more often than a bike  trailer to get groceries or go any 
distance w/ the kids.
 
 I recommend finding a used Co-Pilot or similar if you'd rather keep them 
on back, they can last 3+ yrs depending on size of the child. These fit on 
a blackburn rack, which you can keep on the bike even when not riding with 
the grandson. I got ours used for $25 w/ rack and have now had it for 4 yrs 
on various bikes. 
 
Best,
Eric N.
Indpls

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:40:23 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 +1 for a front seat like iBert until they are big enough to hold on in the 
 back (around 3), then no official seat is needed, but a wood platform on 
 the rear rack works great with stoker bars. Easy way to carry two on one 
 bike that way.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:08:55 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.  My 
 grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it, so 
 I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any 
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: On Loss and Love

2013-07-30 Thread Leslie

The day I saw that about Seth, I was in the middle of planning/packing for 
vacation, camping at the beach; it was an extremely busy couple of days, 
trying to get caught up ahead at work so I wouldn't be too far behind 
once I got back, locating the last bits of stowed gear, 
inspecting/replacing things as needed; and then I was gone for the first 
week.  I did get a pic or two snapped and posted on Facebook while I was 
gone, but was only trying to skim the digests in my email via phone, but 
ended up being sporadic/haphazard.   As soon as we got back, I turned 
around and took my son down for college orientation, and was gone a few 
more days. A sister-in-law from out-of-town has been in visiting, so I've 
spent several days at the inlaws', and am just now trying to settle back 
down.  

Just before we left, Steve emailed me, from MSL;  he'd talked to Seth a few 
times, having heard that I'd struck up an e-friendship w/ Seth.  I sat down 
and stopped packing for a moment, and wrote out a reply to Steve, which was 
weirdly cathartic.  It was kind of a summary/narrative of Seth being one of 
the folks who I first chatted w/ here, since he was familiar w/ this area, 
from where he was in college nearby.   That led to advice, ideas, 
discussions, photos, etc. etc. (Just as one example, I drooled over his 
bike shed he'd built). It was just a, an acknowledgement of one bicyclist 
to another on the loss of another.   I hit send, went to bed, then the next 
morning was gone out of my normal routine for a couple of weeks, so, it's 
been, surreal, like normality was on pause.


Thing is, everyone else seemed to have already expressed the same thoughts 
and emotions that I had/have.  It didn't seem that there was anything else 
to say here.   But Liesl, reading what you just wrote, having just gotten 
back into normal, that just hit home.   


I feel guilty.   I love my bikes, but I feel guilty that I'm not a 
commuter.   I feel guilty that I don't brave traffic, am gun-shy about 
it.  I used to ride anywhere, but anymore, stick to greenbelts and trails 
and lesser-used routes.There are several cyclists that ride along our 
neighborhood's feeder road;  I always am glad to see them out, hang back 
giving them room, then pass once I can be safe about it.   My wife gripes 
and complains whenever she gets caught behind them, though;  it angers me 
when she starts with her they should be off the road onto the sidewalk so 
they won't get hit! spewing.   I try to not fight, but when I try to 
insist that bikes have as much right to be there as a car, she's one who 
disagrees...  and I have to bite my tongue.   I feel guilty that I can't 
get her to see that.  That's been ongoing for years now, but then, this 
happened with Seth.   And it hit home;  it was no longer just a cyclist in 
some distant town, but, was someone I knew, had chatted with, 
appreciated...  The wife didn't pull the I told you so, but you could 
feel it simmering and I felt even more guilty, that I haven't gotten 
through yet.

As we passed through the Triad on I-40, I wanted to detour off through 
Durham. Would have been awkward, a family enroute to camping on the beach, 
pulling up to Eunice and Seth's place; but it would have been 
unannounced/unexpected, the timing wasn't right, and the wife would have 
been miffed, the kids confused... it just didn't happen, but, I wanted to 
'make an appearance'.   I feel guilty I didn't at least try.


I'm not sure what else to say.  I'm not quite sure of my point.   I just 
want to give each of y'all a hug, and try to go ride w/ ya, even if we're 
riding in different states

Hang in there, everyone


-L




On Monday, July 29, 2013 4:42:43 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I am terribly past due, but I still need to write this.  Several weeks 
 ago, Erin came into the living room and asked me some mundane question.  I 
 didn’t respond; when she looked at me, she saw tears streaming down my face 
 as I stared at my laptop.  With urgency and tenderness, she asked what 
 was wrong.  Crying quietly, I stammered out as best as I could, “It’s ... 
 one of my Riv Pals…he died.”  I couldn’t get out much more in the moment 
 about Seth, but I read all of the posts.  Others have been eloquent, and 
 I will simply offer my heart and deep sympathy to Seth’s family and friends 
 on or off this list.  

  

 Here is what I want to say, though, to all of us here–lurkers and posters 
 alike:  My tears let me know that, dang it all, I have come to love our 
 curious little Riv family.  How the heck does that happen with a silly 
 old listserv?  

  

 So thanks for being a part of my life, each and every one of you.  Dang it.

  

 With great affection,

 Riv Chica Warrior


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post

Re: [RBW] Re: Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread Peter Morgano

I have had the co-pilot as well and it was very secure and was pretty
simple to move from bike to bike if you have a bit of mechanical knowledge.
My LBS steered us away from the seat in front due to control issues.  I
think it depends where you ride too though, here in Brooklyn I cant have my
daughter on a piece of wood and stoker bars, sometimes we need to dart out
and stop short due to traffic and would hate for her a kid to not be
secured on the bike at a younger age. My daughter uses the Burley Piccolo
now, she doesn't really feel comfortable riding on her own on Brooklyn
streets, unlike a lot of parents I have nothing to prove about what an
advanced rider she is, we just go out for fun.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM, EGNolan egno...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've used rear seats, which work well, even when the children fall asleep
 as both of my children have often done. Trailers are fine, but I've
 preferred having the children up high where they can see what I see as well
 as talk more easily. I've got a nearly 5 yr old (who rides his own bike
 around the neighborhood)  a 2.5 yr old (who rides her balance bike around
 the neighborhood). I purchased a Yuba Mundo last winter; both my wife  I
 use it much more often than a bike  trailer to get groceries or go any
 distance w/ the kids.

  I recommend finding a used Co-Pilot or similar if you'd rather keep them
 on back, they can last 3+ yrs depending on size of the child. These fit on
 a blackburn rack, which you can keep on the bike even when not riding with
 the grandson. I got ours used for $25 w/ rack and have now had it for 4 yrs
 on various bikes.

 Best,
 Eric N.
 Indpls

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:40:23 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 +1 for a front seat like iBert until they are big enough to hold on in
 the back (around 3), then no official seat is needed, but a wood platform
 on the rear rack works great with stoker bars. Easy way to carry two on one
 bike that way.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:08:55 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.
  My grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it,
 so I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael

  --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread Leslie

Mi dos centavos...

If black, go glossy, perhaps pearly.   Matte black, it might have its 
place, but for a Riv, if black, I think glossy would be better.

Olive drab, I can understand it being flat.   But, it's possible to have a 
pearl/eggshell that I think would be better than a pure flat.

An aside:  old story on myself:   I had read the word khaki, but hadn't 
realized I'd heard it:  we were on a family vacation, and I happened to see 
a shirt I wanted, and asked about it... problem what, I was trying to 
pronounce it more like  ka-HEEK-ee, instead of KAHK-he, so no one knew 
what color I was trying to describe.Alternate aside:   am I weird for 
only using khaki to describe tan or beige, and if it goes green, I call it 
olive or olive drab, but not khaki?   Maybe it's the former Marine in me, 
but OD and khaki get paired a lot.  red and OD, too   (I wear my OD 
Musa shorts w/ red t-shirts all the time)...  anywho, I'm almost always in 
khaki Carhartts or Dockers, to the point that my kids call me Khaki 
Man.It's *so* bad, my daughter found some nail-polish called Captain 
Khaki and bought a bottle of it for me...  it's now on the shelf next to 
my orange, blue, and green nail-polishes that go w/ my bikes, though I 
don't suppose I'll ever have a use for khaki polish...  but it's now a 
keeper...

Anywho

My vote is for an olive-drab in eggshell w/ a cream headtube, though a 
pearl black wouldn't be bad








On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by a lack of opinions!  A few quick 
 comments:

 1) Grants says any color headtube as long as it's cream (or the same 
 color as the rest of the bike)

 2) the diminutive frame size, the diagatube and tentacular stays, and my 
 request for a fork that'll take 55mm tires all combined are a design 
 challenge worthy of the designer!  last report was it's like fitting four 
 balls into three and a half holes.  Keep your fingers crossed on that 
 front.

 keep your suggestions coming!


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: My first RAGBRAI, my first Rivendell

2013-07-30 Thread Larry H

I am so glad that Bob got to ride.  If anyone hasn't read is story, it's in 
RR 37  39.

On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:34:35 PM UTC-4, Tony McG wrote:

 Yes.  It was Bob Bailey riding his Long Low with prosthetics on both legs. 
  I saw him almost every day and he rode well, though he did struggle a 
 little on the hills.  Apparently we use our lower leg a lot more than we 
 think we do when we ride up hills.  When I told Bob (Hawaii) about the Long 
 Low that he must have just passed in the last mile, he told me that he was 
 so intrigued by the prosthetics that he didn't even notice that they were 
 pedaling a Rivendell.


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread Lee Chae

Just my two cents: My son didn't like the Burley trailer experience. I
ended up using a hand-me-down Bell Classic child seat. He loves it,
although I don't like how the bike handles with it. (It's a Kogswell P/R.)
I was interested in the front carriers, but it seems like you need a bike
set up with a more upright positioning to accommodate them. Maybe someone
can chime in about that.

Anyway, gratuitous child-on-a-bike pic: http://tinyurl.com/mwtrns7

Best,
Lee



On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.  My
 grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it, so
 I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: On Loss and Love

2013-07-30 Thread Joe Bernard

Thank you for your thoughts, Liesl. I haven't said anything up to now 
because - to my recollection - I never spoke to Seth, so didn't feel I had 
anything to offer about his passing, but I very much agree with you about 
the affection we feel towards the folks we've come to know through our 
shared interest in Riv things. I know everyone here was thrilled for you 
when you won the raffle, as if it had happened to a good friend (it did). 
We will all miss Seth very much. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:42:43 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 I am terribly past due, but I still need to write this.  Several weeks 
 ago, Erin came into the living room and asked me some mundane question.  I 
 didn’t respond; when she looked at me, she saw tears streaming down my face 
 as I stared at my laptop.  With urgency and tenderness, she asked what 
 was wrong.  Crying quietly, I stammered out as best as I could, “It’s ... 
 one of my Riv Pals…he died.”  I couldn’t get out much more in the moment 
 about Seth, but I read all of the posts.  Others have been eloquent, and 
 I will simply offer my heart and deep sympathy to Seth’s family and friends 
 on or off this list.  

  

 Here is what I want to say, though, to all of us here–lurkers and posters 
 alike:  My tears let me know that, dang it all, I have come to love our 
 curious little Riv family.  How the heck does that happen with a silly 
 old listserv?  

  

 So thanks for being a part of my life, each and every one of you.  Dang it.

  

 With great affection,

 Riv Chica Warrior


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Sudden Onset Bike Purchase

The bike came up for sale some time ago and a couple of people mentioned 
that someone would get a very good deal.  What makes this story fantastic, 
is that you had described the bike before it found you.  I was quite 
surprised it didn't sell immediately it was first advertised, but clearly 
it was waiting for you.

Congratulations on a great purchase.  

Ian A
Edmonton AB Canada

On Monday, July 29, 2013 9:03:13 PM UTC-6, Sergio wrote:

 Hello! I'm writing to introduce myself as a new (used) Rivendell Atlantis 
 owner. It wasn't a planned event and certainly wasn't budgeted, but this is 
 the kind of trouble you get yourself into when you hang with Liesl. 


 Long story short: 

 I bought Steve's bike off the RBW Owners Bunch group. Black Atlantis with 
 SS couplers and generally really nice parts. I'm super psyched.


 Short story long:

 Following a round-town and backyard S240 we got to chatting about my dream 
 bike, a Rivendell Atlantis. We talked about some details and bar-type (I 
 wanted to switch up to Albas from the Noodles I had on my current bike). 
 Extra fantasy-part bonus would be SS couplers. It was an innocent enough 
 conversation, in which I clearly stated that I didn't have the funds set 
 aside and that it was a long-term dream--5 to 10 year goal. Well, a few 
 hours after we parted ways I looked to my phone and saw: missed call, voice 
 mail, 2 x texts. All from Liesl. I cringed because I knew it could only 
 mean one thing. Sure enough, she just spotted the deal of the century on 
 the group. It was even set up with Albas and had SS couplers. Next thing I 
 know, I'm looking it up. Next next thing I know I'm writing an email. Then 
 I'm on the phone with Steve. Then I've purchased and am eagerly 
 anticipating it's arrival.


 It arrived while I was away on vacation (shipped to a friend's house) so I 
 was torn between enjoying mountain biking and seeing family in the Bay Area 
 and wanting to get the heck back to Minneapolis to see this new beauty. 
 Common sense ruled the day and I didn't get an early return ticket. While 
 in the Bay Area, I decided to make a pilgrimage to Riv to pick up some 
 pedals (sneaker) and some decals. The bike is smartly without any Riv 
 decals--very incognito and just a little less thief-magnetic for it. 
 However, since this is my first Riv and I'm just short enough on 
 self-security I really want to bask in the reflected glow of this pedigreed 
 chariot. Anyway, had a really nice chat with Keven and he sent me off with 
 the goods plus a few Readers and a coin purse to boot. Super cool.


 I arrived home late Friday and put it together Saturday morning. It rides 
 like a dream. So, all this to say, I am really jazzed about my new bike and 
 have enjoyed lurking on the site. There's a lot of positivity and good 
 information here and I'm glad to be officially joining the group. Cheers, 
 and thanks Liesl! Hope to see some of you fellow Minneapolitans around town.


 Sergio


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] WTB/WTT 110/74 bcd chainrings

2013-07-30 Thread franklyn

Hi, Folks,

I am trying to put together a wide-range double crankset from a pair of old 
LX 110/74 crank arms I have. I am looking for two chainrings:

1. 45, 44, 43, or 42T middle-position 110bcd 5-bolt chainring in decent 
conditions
2. 28 or 30T 74bcd inner chainring.

I can buy them from you; i also have some chainrings and other parts I can 
offer in trade:

- 110/74bcd chainrings: 48T, 46T, 34T, 36T, 24T
- Tacx Tao lightweight water bottle cage
- new 700c tubes

let me know if you have these rings!

Franklyn
Berkeley, CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Sudden Onset Bike Purchase

2013-07-30 Thread BSWP

Nice bike, good story! Is it just the camera angle, or does your rear brake 
cable housing swing wide out to the front and side? 
Looks like it could be shortened by at least a few cm, and have less chance 
of hooking onto protruding branches.

- Andrew, Berkeley

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread Peter Pesce

I use a Yepp Mini front seat on my 60 Sam with Alba bars. I was surprised 
how little room - as in none - I have between the nose of the saddle and 
the back of the seat. I'm not slim, mind you, but I'm not that fat and I 
cannot fit between the saddle and seat to straddle the top tube. I had to 
drop my saddle way down so I can support the bike when we stop. 
Even given that challenge, I like the front seat for interaction, and it 
works fine for our short rides around the neighborhood. If you are thinking 
of more intensive trips it might be a good idea to teat a front seat first 
to see if you have fit issues.

-Pete in CT

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:08:55 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.  My 
 grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it, so 
 I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any 
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread William

My two kids both did great in a Burley Solo (which is now for sale, 
shameless bump).  I only used it for short bops around town, no heavily 
urban traffic kind of stuff.  We still had conversations, but usually my 
kids would just nap in there if it was over 5 minutes.  

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:08:55 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.  My 
 grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it, so 
 I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any 
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Sudden Onset Bike Purchase

2013-07-30 Thread Matt Beebe

Wow, what a great score!You'd have been nuts to pass it up, the albas 
and couplers cinching it like that.




On Monday, July 29, 2013 11:03:13 PM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:

 Hello! I'm writing to introduce myself as a new (used) Rivendell Atlantis 
 owner. It wasn't a planned event and certainly wasn't budgeted, but this is 
 the kind of trouble you get yourself into when you hang with Liesl. 


 Long story short: 

 I bought Steve's bike off the RBW Owners Bunch group. Black Atlantis with 
 SS couplers and generally really nice parts. I'm super psyched.


 Short story long:

 Following a round-town and backyard S240 we got to chatting about my dream 
 bike, a Rivendell Atlantis. We talked about some details and bar-type (I 
 wanted to switch up to Albas from the Noodles I had on my current bike). 
 Extra fantasy-part bonus would be SS couplers. It was an innocent enough 
 conversation, in which I clearly stated that I didn't have the funds set 
 aside and that it was a long-term dream--5 to 10 year goal. Well, a few 
 hours after we parted ways I looked to my phone and saw: missed call, voice 
 mail, 2 x texts. All from Liesl. I cringed because I knew it could only 
 mean one thing. Sure enough, she just spotted the deal of the century on 
 the group. It was even set up with Albas and had SS couplers. Next thing I 
 know, I'm looking it up. Next next thing I know I'm writing an email. Then 
 I'm on the phone with Steve. Then I've purchased and am eagerly 
 anticipating it's arrival.


 It arrived while I was away on vacation (shipped to a friend's house) so I 
 was torn between enjoying mountain biking and seeing family in the Bay Area 
 and wanting to get the heck back to Minneapolis to see this new beauty. 
 Common sense ruled the day and I didn't get an early return ticket. While 
 in the Bay Area, I decided to make a pilgrimage to Riv to pick up some 
 pedals (sneaker) and some decals. The bike is smartly without any Riv 
 decals--very incognito and just a little less thief-magnetic for it. 
 However, since this is my first Riv and I'm just short enough on 
 self-security I really want to bask in the reflected glow of this pedigreed 
 chariot. Anyway, had a really nice chat with Keven and he sent me off with 
 the goods plus a few Readers and a coin purse to boot. Super cool.


 I arrived home late Friday and put it together Saturday morning. It rides 
 like a dream. So, all this to say, I am really jazzed about my new bike and 
 have enjoyed lurking on the site. There's a lot of positivity and good 
 information here and I'm glad to be officially joining the group. Cheers, 
 and thanks Liesl! Hope to see some of you fellow Minneapolitans around town.


 Sergio


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Sudden Onset Bike Purchase

2013-07-30 Thread Christopher Chen

Around here, we have a saying: You can do anything on an Atlantis. So buy
one already.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Matt Beebe matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow, what a great score!You'd have been nuts to pass it up, the albas
 and couplers cinching it like that.





 On Monday, July 29, 2013 11:03:13 PM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:

 Hello! I'm writing to introduce myself as a new (used) Rivendell Atlantis
 owner. It wasn't a planned event and certainly wasn't budgeted, but this is
 the kind of trouble you get yourself into when you hang with Liesl.


 Long story short:

 I bought Steve's bike off the RBW Owners Bunch group. Black Atlantis with
 SS couplers and generally really nice parts. I'm super psyched.


 Short story long:

 Following a round-town and backyard S240 we got to chatting about my
 dream bike, a Rivendell Atlantis. We talked about some details and bar-type
 (I wanted to switch up to Albas from the Noodles I had on my current bike).
 Extra fantasy-part bonus would be SS couplers. It was an innocent enough
 conversation, in which I clearly stated that I didn't have the funds set
 aside and that it was a long-term dream--5 to 10 year goal. Well, a few
 hours after we parted ways I looked to my phone and saw: missed call, voice
 mail, 2 x texts. All from Liesl. I cringed because I knew it could only
 mean one thing. Sure enough, she just spotted the deal of the century on
 the group. It was even set up with Albas and had SS couplers. Next thing I
 know, I'm looking it up. Next next thing I know I'm writing an email. Then
 I'm on the phone with Steve. Then I've purchased and am eagerly
 anticipating it's arrival.


 It arrived while I was away on vacation (shipped to a friend's house) so
 I was torn between enjoying mountain biking and seeing family in the Bay
 Area and wanting to get the heck back to Minneapolis to see this new
 beauty. Common sense ruled the day and I didn't get an early return ticket.
 While in the Bay Area, I decided to make a pilgrimage to Riv to pick up
 some pedals (sneaker) and some decals. The bike is smartly without any Riv
 decals--very incognito and just a little less thief-magnetic for it.
 However, since this is my first Riv and I'm just short enough on
 self-security I really want to bask in the reflected glow of this pedigreed
 chariot. Anyway, had a really nice chat with Keven and he sent me off with
 the goods plus a few Readers and a coin purse to boot. Super cool.


 I arrived home late Friday and put it together Saturday morning. It rides
 like a dream. So, all this to say, I am really jazzed about my new bike and
 have enjoyed lurking on the site. There's a lot of positivity and good
 information here and I'm glad to be officially joining the group. Cheers,
 and thanks Liesl! Hope to see some of you fellow Minneapolitans around town.


 Sergio

  --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.






-- 
I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread William

I call those secret black bikes.  From 20 feet away it looks black, but 
when you are up close or riding it there's a secret.  Pearl or metallic or 
something or some way it reacts to the sun.  A well-done secret black bike 
could be fun. 

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:28:51 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:

 Mi dos centavos...

 If black, go glossy, perhaps pearly.   Matte black, it might have its 
 place, but for a Riv, if black, I think glossy would be better.

 Olive drab, I can understand it being flat.   But, it's possible to have a 
 pearl/eggshell that I think would be better than a pure flat.

 An aside:  old story on myself:   I had read the word khaki, but hadn't 
 realized I'd heard it:  we were on a family vacation, and I happened to see 
 a shirt I wanted, and asked about it... problem what, I was trying to 
 pronounce it more like  ka-HEEK-ee, instead of KAHK-he, so no one knew 
 what color I was trying to describe.Alternate aside:   am I weird for 
 only using khaki to describe tan or beige, and if it goes green, I call it 
 olive or olive drab, but not khaki?   Maybe it's the former Marine in me, 
 but OD and khaki get paired a lot.  red and OD, too   (I wear my OD 
 Musa shorts w/ red t-shirts all the time)...  anywho, I'm almost always in 
 khaki Carhartts or Dockers, to the point that my kids call me Khaki 
 Man.It's *so* bad, my daughter found some nail-polish called Captain 
 Khaki and bought a bottle of it for me...  it's now on the shelf next to 
 my orange, blue, and green nail-polishes that go w/ my bikes, though I 
 don't suppose I'll ever have a use for khaki polish...  but it's now a 
 keeper...

 Anywho

 My vote is for an olive-drab in eggshell w/ a cream headtube, though a 
 pearl black wouldn't be bad








 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by a lack of opinions!  A few quick 
 comments:

 1) Grants says any color headtube as long as it's cream (or the same 
 color as the rest of the bike)

 2) the diminutive frame size, the diagatube and tentacular stays, and my 
 request for a fork that'll take 55mm tires all combined are a design 
 challenge worthy of the designer!  last report was it's like fitting four 
 balls into three and a half holes.  Keep your fingers crossed on that 
 front.

 keep your suggestions coming!



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Touch up paint for A Homer Hilsen

2013-07-30 Thread jki...@marathon-gold.com

I've picked up a couple of deep gouges in the paint of my Toyo Hilsen - the 
joys of bike racks - which go down to metal and need attention.  I'd be 
extremely grateful if anyone has any suggestions as to a decent match in 
the Testor's world, or something else that's worked for you.
 
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

As folks who went on the RCWS24o will attest,  I have a great fondness for 
vintage BSA uniforms, equipment, etc, especially from the 1930's and '40's 
(long OT story that I'll spare you).  For the camping trip, I had a quite 
dapper 1940's era wool BSA shirt--metal buttons and everything.  They don't 
make 'em like that anymore! I spent some time in the parking lot outside of 
RivWorldHQ trying to match the color paint swatches with my shirt.  The 
catalog categorized this color range as yellow-greens.  I would add that 
they have a smitch of red so that the color goes in a subtle brown-tan 
direction.  Is this Khaki?  OD?  Olive?  Who knows!  But the WWII era color 
is quite a bit richer/more complex than what I see in the current OD to 
Khaki directions.  It's a bit like the Derby Green tweed of the Riv 
sweaters under a magnifier—lots of different colors in the details.

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:28:51 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:

 Alternate aside:   am I weird for only using khaki to describe tan or 
 beige, and if it goes green, I call it olive or olive drab, but not 
 khaki?   Maybe it's the former Marine in me, but OD and khaki get paired a 
 lot.  







 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by a lack of opinions!  A few quick 
 comments:

 1) Grants says any color headtube as long as it's cream (or the same 
 color as the rest of the bike)

 2) the diminutive frame size, the diagatube and tentacular stays, and my 
 request for a fork that'll take 55mm tires all combined are a design 
 challenge worthy of the designer!  last report was it's like fitting four 
 balls into three and a half holes.  Keep your fingers crossed on that 
 front.

 keep your suggestions coming!



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread Shoji Takahashi

I have and use a Yepp Mini Front seat. My 3-yo son is just about at the 
weight limit, and my 1-yo daughter is now getting her turn at the h-bars.

I ride the Yepp Mini on a 52cm Surly Cross Check with albatross bars 
(there's a special adapter for threadless stems) and Medium Breezer 
Uptown 8 (step through). I have room on my bikes for the Yepp-- the child 
seat is pretty much in my lap. I do have to splay my knees at the top of my 
pedal stroke in order to clear the bottom of the seat. I can be a little 
challenging at low speeds to steer (when one relies more on turning the 
bars than leaning the bike). I don't think the Yepp Mini would work well 
with drop bars (even with cross levers), and even flat bars would be 
difficult for me.

I would recommend the front seat for fairly flat areas. It's a great way to 
socialize with a child while riding and pointing out the scenery. It also 
allows you to see what your child is doing (e.g., sleeping, pulling on 
his/her helmet b/c it's bothering them, etc.). I've also used it for 
dropping my son at daycare.

I also have a Burley D'Lite trailer. It's convenient and spacious. For 
carrying two, it's my only way unless I get a cargo bike (but I'd rather 
get an AHH!). It's fine, but communicating with the children in the trailer 
is not easy. Although it doesn't affect the balance of the bike, there is a 
definite impact on handling. First is the weight (tough on brakes and 
climbing), and the second is shifting weight and momentum swings when 
mashing gears. 

I would like to try a back seat to get the child's line-of-sight higher. I 
think their view point from the trailer can be rather limiting (e.g., 
seeing the guard rails instead of what's just above/beyond the guard rail).

--shoji

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:47:58 PM UTC-4, Peter Pesce wrote:

 I use a Yepp Mini front seat on my 60 Sam with Alba bars. I was surprised 
 how little room - as in none - I have between the nose of the saddle and 
 the back of the seat. I'm not slim, mind you, but I'm not that fat and I 
 cannot fit between the saddle and seat to straddle the top tube. I had to 
 drop my saddle way down so I can support the bike when we stop. 
 Even given that challenge, I like the front seat for interaction, and it 
 works fine for our short rides around the neighborhood. If you are thinking 
 of more intensive trips it might be a good idea to teat a front seat first 
 to see if you have fit issues.

 -Pete in CT

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:08:55 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.  My 
 grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it, so 
 I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any 
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Sudden Onset Bike Purchase

Andrew, that's a forage-while-you-ride feature. Similar to the 
toe-scythe-maneuver I use barefooting all the time. Great way to get your 
salad for the night. fields of dandelions and violets preferable to thistle 
and milkweed. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:25:56 AM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:

 Nice bike, good story! Is it just the camera angle, or does your rear 
 brake cable housing swing wide out to the front and side? 
 Looks like it could be shortened by at least a few cm, and have less 
 chance of hooking onto protruding branches.

 - Andrew, Berkeley


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread Shoji Takahashi

Could you get a swatch of that material to Joe Bell? Maybe he could come up 
with an color-matched swatch that has the special glitter or pearl or fairy 
dust to replicate the richness? (if that's what you're after)

Don't forget the color of your components, tires (brown bens?), and 
anodized accents!



On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:03:56 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 As folks who went on the RCWS24o will attest,  I have a great fondness for 
 vintage BSA uniforms, equipment, etc, especially from the 1930's and '40's 
 (long OT story that I'll spare you).  For the camping trip, I had a quite 
 dapper 1940's era wool BSA shirt--metal buttons and everything.  They don't 
 make 'em like that anymore! I spent some time in the parking lot outside of 
 RivWorldHQ trying to match the color paint swatches with my shirt.  The 
 catalog categorized this color range as yellow-greens.  I would add that 
 they have a smitch of red so that the color goes in a subtle brown-tan 
 direction.  Is this Khaki?  OD?  Olive?  Who knows!  But the WWII era color 
 is quite a bit richer/more complex than what I see in the current OD to 
 Khaki directions.  It's a bit like the Derby Green tweed of the Riv 
 sweaters under a magnifier—lots of different colors in the details.

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:28:51 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:

 Alternate aside:   am I weird for only using khaki to describe tan or 
 beige, and if it goes green, I call it olive or olive drab, but not 
 khaki?   Maybe it's the former Marine in me, but OD and khaki get paired a 
 lot.  







 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by a lack of opinions!  A few quick 
 comments:

 1) Grants says any color headtube as long as it's cream (or the same 
 color as the rest of the bike)

 2) the diminutive frame size, the diagatube and tentacular stays, and my 
 request for a fork that'll take 55mm tires all combined are a design 
 challenge worthy of the designer!  last report was it's like fitting four 
 balls into three and a half holes.  Keep your fingers crossed on that 
 front.

 keep your suggestions coming!



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread Leslie

I got ya!   

Yeah

There's pure khaki, that uniform sand/tan of the current BSA shirts and 
USMC Alphas;  then there's pure olive-drab, which would be the rest of 
the colors of BSA pants and USMC pants and coats;  but then there's that 
shade that's a darker khaki and/or a pale olive-drab, that under one light 
it's a tan but under another light it's a green, almost as if it was a 
tweed blended of the two   -  I completely understand what you mean now 

I think, now that I've thought about, I agree, calling it a khaki green 
would suit and describe it well   khaki as tan, OD as green, and khaki 
green as that between color

Good color



On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:03:56 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 As folks who went on the RCWS24o will attest,  I have a great fondness for 
 vintage BSA uniforms, equipment, etc, especially from the 1930's and '40's 
 (long OT story that I'll spare you).  For the camping trip, I had a quite 
 dapper 1940's era wool BSA shirt--metal buttons and everything.  They don't 
 make 'em like that anymore! I spent some time in the parking lot outside of 
 RivWorldHQ trying to match the color paint swatches with my shirt.  The 
 catalog categorized this color range as yellow-greens.  I would add that 
 they have a smitch of red so that the color goes in a subtle brown-tan 
 direction.  Is this Khaki?  OD?  Olive?  Who knows!  But the WWII era color 
 is quite a bit richer/more complex than what I see in the current OD to 
 Khaki directions.  It's a bit like the Derby Green tweed of the Riv 
 sweaters under a magnifier—lots of different colors in the details.

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:28:51 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:

 Alternate aside:   am I weird for only using khaki to describe tan or 
 beige, and if it goes green, I call it olive or olive drab, but not 
 khaki?   Maybe it's the former Marine in me, but OD and khaki get paired a 
 lot.  







 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by a lack of opinions!  A few quick 
 comments:

 1) Grants says any color headtube as long as it's cream (or the same 
 color as the rest of the bike)

 2) the diminutive frame size, the diagatube and tentacular stays, and my 
 request for a fork that'll take 55mm tires all combined are a design 
 challenge worthy of the designer!  last report was it's like fitting four 
 balls into three and a half holes.  Keep your fingers crossed on that 
 front.

 keep your suggestions coming!



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

So . . . you are saying that the pictured solution worked, right? Looks, 
and probably works, like it should without kludgey looking p-clamps. Nice!

Is there some place on this forum to permanently post pictures so that 
these sorts of solutions aren't lost?

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:25:09 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

 So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly. 

 But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6 
 bits from the mark's rack I just removed? 

 And, thus... 
 On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
 .
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.


  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

The Jag looks great in any colour, even white (my Dad had one). So does
the Ciroen DS. This one is an unusual colour
http://car-pictures.feedio.net/buick-century-hd-car-wallpapers/kbluxurycars.com*pictures*Citroen-DS-Familiale-1967-2.jpg/

I would agree with another poster that the designer maybe should pick the
colour. I have a JB painted LL - the deep green paint just gleams and it
was painted in 1998.

Ian A
Edmonton AB Canada

On Monday, July 29, 2013 6:02:39 PM UTC-6, Jay Lonner wrote:

I think a glossy black frame with a cream headtube, honey Brooks, and
shellacked cork grips would look fantastic. Then again, I just put the
finishing touches on a green Hunqapillar over the weekend, and that looks
great too. I don't think you can go wrong either way, but there is an
undeniably timeless, classy quality to black. The long, low-slung
appearance of the Appaloosa is reminiscent to me of the classic Jaguar E
type, which looks stunning in black but I can't even imagine in olive
drab...

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:54:55 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

Hi Friends,

I anticipate getting closer to the delivery of Appaloosa custom and was
all set on a good WWII type Khaki green, and THEN just as Grant predicted
I've been wavering. I am now considering a black frame --either way with
of course a cream headtube. So I'm throwing out some chum to see what all
y'all think: black or army green? Please feel free to post links to your
beautiful black or army green bike.

RCW

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

2013-07-30 Thread Christopher Chen

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I assume you tried using the tubus
hardware you had lying around, and I used the nitto hardware I had lying
around. :)

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM, David Craig neritic.mari...@gmail.comwrote:

So . . . you are saying that the pictured solution worked, right? Looks,
and probably works, like it should without kludgey looking p-clamps. Nice!

Is there some place on this forum to permanently post pictures so that
these sorts of solutions aren't lost?

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:25:09 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly.

But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6
bits from the mark's rack I just removed?

And, thus...
On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com wrote:

Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's

Visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch
.
For more options, visit
https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out
.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RBW Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

--
I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

Perfect. That's exactly what happened in my case! Happy riding.

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:29:26 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I assume you tried using the tubus
hardware you had lying around, and I used the nitto hardware I had lying
around. :)

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM, David Craig
neritic...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:

So . . . you are saying that the pictured solution worked, right? Looks,
and probably works, like it should without kludgey looking p-clamps. Nice!

Is there some place on this forum to permanently post pictures so that
these sorts of solutions aren't lost?

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:25:09 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly.

But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6
bits from the mark's rack I just removed?

And, thus...
On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com wrote:

Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RBW Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:.
To post to this group, send email to
rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

--
I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

2013-07-30 Thread William

Brilliant.  Very well done.  

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:25:09 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

 So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly. 

 But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6 
 bits from the mark's rack I just removed? 

 And, thus... 
 On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
 .
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.


  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread clayton


Army Green. I too, was wavering between the two colors, black and green. I 
picked army green and am very glad. I appreciate the color more and more as 
time goes on. One thing I like the best about it is when it gets dusty and 
dirty. It looks better dirty than clean...lol. Black, no. My Rivendell 
Atlantis:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bYncxzNlvRI/UfgBndF6hFI/ACM/XLUx1htm1hU/s1600/IMG_0221.JPG
Trust me.GREEN!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

Clayton, how are the bottom stays of your front rack mounted?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:11:54 PM UTC-6, clayton wrote:


 Army Green. I too, was wavering between the two colors, black and green. I 
 picked army green and am very glad. I appreciate the color more and more as 
 time goes on. One thing I like the best about it is when it gets dusty and 
 dirty. It looks better dirty than clean...lol. Black, no. My Rivendell 
 Atlantis:


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bYncxzNlvRI/UfgBndF6hFI/ACM/XLUx1htm1hU/s1600/IMG_0221.JPG
 Trust me.GREEN!


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread Shoji Takahashi

Hi Patrick,
It's mounted to the canti studs (on which V-brakes are mounted). I'm 
guessing it's the Nitto M-12 front rack. 

shoji

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:21:29 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Clayton, how are the bottom stays of your front rack mounted?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:11:54 PM UTC-6, clayton wrote:


 Army Green. I too, was wavering between the two colors, black and green. 
 I picked army green and am very glad. I appreciate the color more and more 
 as time goes on. One thing I like the best about it is when it gets dusty 
 and dirty. It looks better dirty than clean...lol. Black, no. My Rivendell 
 Atlantis:


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bYncxzNlvRI/UfgBndF6hFI/ACM/XLUx1htm1hU/s1600/IMG_0221.JPG
 Trust me.GREEN!



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT 110/74 bcd chainrings

2013-07-30 Thread Michael Hechmer

Franklyn, I have a 45, 42,40 and 28, all in useable condition.

Michael

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:18:49 PM UTC-4, franklyn wrote:

 Hi, Folks,

 I am trying to put together a wide-range double crankset from a pair of 
 old LX 110/74 crank arms I have. I am looking for two chainrings:

 1. 45, 44, 43, or 42T middle-position 110bcd 5-bolt chainring in decent 
 conditions
 2. 28 or 30T 74bcd inner chainring.

 I can buy them from you; i also have some chainrings and other parts I can 
 offer in trade:

 - 110/74bcd chainrings: 48T, 46T, 34T, 36T, 24T
 - Tacx Tao lightweight water bottle cage
 - new 700c tubes

 let me know if you have these rings!

 Franklyn
 Berkeley, CA


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread Dan McNamara

I have a BoBike Mini+ front seat on the Bombadil and am going to start
using a Yepp Maxi Easyfit on the rear as she is getting too big for the
front seat. The Easyfit is nice because I can use the Tubus rack already on
the bike with an adapter. Another adapter for the Betty Foy and my wife can
take the seat with minimal trouble for the swap.

The Bombadil was a decent fit for the front mount as it has a long top tube
but I did change to a seat post with more setback to get a little more
room. Used Albas and Bosco bars.


Lots of good choices for seats. Usually you can find CoPilot seats used for
a decent price with the Blackburn rack.

Any way you go (front or rear seat) a double legged kickstand is a big help
with loading.

Dan

-Marin


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have and use a Yepp Mini Front seat. My 3-yo son is just about at the
 weight limit, and my 1-yo daughter is now getting her turn at the h-bars.

 I ride the Yepp Mini on a 52cm Surly Cross Check with albatross bars
 (there's a special adapter for threadless stems) and Medium Breezer
 Uptown 8 (step through). I have room on my bikes for the Yepp-- the child
 seat is pretty much in my lap. I do have to splay my knees at the top of my
 pedal stroke in order to clear the bottom of the seat. I can be a little
 challenging at low speeds to steer (when one relies more on turning the
 bars than leaning the bike). I don't think the Yepp Mini would work well
 with drop bars (even with cross levers), and even flat bars would be
 difficult for me.

 I would recommend the front seat for fairly flat areas. It's a great way
 to socialize with a child while riding and pointing out the scenery. It
 also allows you to see what your child is doing (e.g., sleeping, pulling on
 his/her helmet b/c it's bothering them, etc.). I've also used it for
 dropping my son at daycare.

 I also have a Burley D'Lite trailer. It's convenient and spacious. For
 carrying two, it's my only way unless I get a cargo bike (but I'd rather
 get an AHH!). It's fine, but communicating with the children in the trailer
 is not easy. Although it doesn't affect the balance of the bike, there is a
 definite impact on handling. First is the weight (tough on brakes and
 climbing), and the second is shifting weight and momentum swings when
 mashing gears.

 I would like to try a back seat to get the child's line-of-sight higher. I
 think their view point from the trailer can be rather limiting (e.g.,
 seeing the guard rails instead of what's just above/beyond the guard rail).

 --shoji


 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:47:58 PM UTC-4, Peter Pesce wrote:

 I use a Yepp Mini front seat on my 60 Sam with Alba bars. I was surprised
 how little room - as in none - I have between the nose of the saddle and
 the back of the seat. I'm not slim, mind you, but I'm not that fat and I
 cannot fit between the saddle and seat to straddle the top tube. I had to
 drop my saddle way down so I can support the bike when we stop.
 Even given that challenge, I like the front seat for interaction, and it
 works fine for our short rides around the neighborhood. If you are thinking
 of more intensive trips it might be a good idea to teat a front seat first
 to see if you have fit issues.

 -Pete in CT

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:08:55 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.
  My grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it,
 so I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael

  --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?


Clayton, you and I have a similar aesthetic!  Who made your frame bag?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

Thanks, Shoji!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:30:02 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 Hi Patrick,
 It's mounted to the canti studs (on which V-brakes are mounted). I'm 
 guessing it's the Nitto M-12 front rack. 

 shoji

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:21:29 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Clayton, how are the bottom stays of your front rack mounted?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:11:54 PM UTC-6, clayton wrote:


 Army Green. I too, was wavering between the two colors, black and green. 
 I picked army green and am very glad. I appreciate the color more and more 
 as time goes on. One thing I like the best about it is when it gets dusty 
 and dirty. It looks better dirty than clean...lol. Black, no. My Rivendell 
 Atlantis:


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bYncxzNlvRI/UfgBndF6hFI/ACM/XLUx1htm1hU/s1600/IMG_0221.JPG
 Trust me.GREEN!



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Touch up paint for A Homer Hilsen

2013-07-30 Thread john

Waterford has exact paint to match, I believe. At least they did for my 
Hillborne (orange). You can check it out on their website.

John

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:18:32 AM UTC-7, jki...@marathon-gold.com wrote:

 I've picked up a couple of deep gouges in the paint of my Toyo Hilsen - 
 the joys of bike racks - which go down to metal and need attention.  I'd be 
 extremely grateful if anyone has any suggestions as to a decent match in 
 the Testor's world, or something else that's worked for you.
  
  


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] WTT: 32h Chris King cassette hub for 36h

2013-07-30 Thread franklyn

Hi folks,

I am looking for a silver 36h cassette hub in good to excellent mechanical 
or aesthetic conditions, preferably with 130mm spacing. I'd be happy with a 
Chris King, White Industries, or Grand Bois hub. I can offer a 32h Chris 
King rear hub, either in silver or blue, and either in 130mm or 135mm 
spacing in exchange. They have been recently serviced by Chris King and 
each is basically a new hub, including new cassette body, in an old hub 
shell. The spoke holes are in excellent conditions. Let me know if you have 
something to trade.

Franklyn
Berkeley, CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

John,

Sure seems like these racks ought to be sold with the Nitto hardware for 
RBW bikes doesn't it? The Tubus attachments worked equally well. Like 
Christopher, I just wasn't impressed with the Nitto Big Rack mounted using 
p-clamps. Your solution is much more a appropriate for a $200 rack.

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:04:35 AM UTC-7, John Philip wrote:

 I used Nitto hardware on my Bombadil as well and it worked out fine... 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/8477467738/ 
 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:25:09 AM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:

 So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly. 

 But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6 
 bits from the mark's rack I just removed? 

 And, thus... 
 On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.


  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

2013-07-30 Thread Christopher Chen

Ahem... A $185 rack!

Especially since the slots on the rack fit the hardware I had, not the
hardware it came with!

But I have to say, looking at the Japanese newspapers it was packed in was
great fun.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM, David Craig neritic.mari...@gmail.comwrote:

John,

Sure seems like these racks ought to be sold with the Nitto hardware for
RBW bikes doesn't it? The Tubus attachments worked equally well. Like
Christopher, I just wasn't impressed with the Nitto Big Rack mounted using
p-clamps. Your solution is much more a appropriate for a $200 rack.

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:04:35 AM UTC-7, John Philip wrote:

I used Nitto hardware on my Bombadil as well and it worked out fine...
http://www.flickr.com/**photos/cnyriv/8477467738/http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/8477467738/

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:25:09 AM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:

So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly.

But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6
bits from the mark's rack I just removed?

And, thus...
On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com wrote:

Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch
.
For more options, visit
https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out
.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RBW Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

--
I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah

Re: [RBW] Re: Touch up paint for A Homer Hilsen

2013-07-30 Thread Cyclofiend

The early Toyo Hilsens were a match for the Rambouillet blue.  It has  
changed a bit since.


http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html

- Jim / cyclofiend via the old earthlink address which you shouldn't  
reply to...



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread hsmitham

Don’t know if this has ever been done before but there was a NorCal vs. 
SoCal Rumble in neutral territory San Luis Obispo County no baseball or 
basketball to determine superiority just some camping and bike riding loads 
of fun!

I picked up Evan in Valencia and headed North to San Luis Obispo three 
hours later we met Doug at the El Chorro Regional campground. Doug had 
ridden the 20 odd miles from Arroyo Grande and had already deployed his 
tent. Evan and I were itching to ride so we cajoled Doug into loading up 
and riding to Morro Bay State Park campground which was a pleasant ride 
into the fog (hey It’s hot in LA). We made camp in the hike  bike area 
 and made friends with Danni a twenty something young lady cyclo-touring 
from Colorado and travelling  from Seattle to Los Angeles she may have made 
it to San Diego but just not sure? She wanted to be self reliant she 
succeeded! We jumped back on our rigs and rode into town for sightseeing 
(around Morro Rock) and Dinner. Fish tacos, fish  chips, Cobb salad and 
great company. 

Saturday morning we had a leisurely breakfast coffee, tea and oats and made 
our plans to ride. We choose to ride to Montana de Oro (The Mountain of 
Gold) making our way through Baywood Park we decided to stop and eat some 
more, cinnamon rolls, frittatas and coffee with light drumming, guitar and 
harmonica a short distance away on the dock to create a serene atmosphere. 

Our adventure began when for reasons we lost Doug or Doug lost us! It was a 
minor hiccup; we met up at the Montana de Oro visitor center for a 
beautiful view of Spooner’s cove.  All the while Doug was in contact with 
Manny and Jim Warren to coordinate the meet up.  We decided to head back to 
SLO and El Chorro campground 15 miles along  Pecho valley road / Los Osos 
valley road  to Foothill Blvd and then into the wind up O’Connor way. Manny 
 Doug were in contact (while we sloughed up O’ Connor doing anywhere from 
6-8 mph) they had made it to the top of Bishop Peak and could see us in the 
distance! 

The three of us made our way into camp and did our set up when Manny  Jim 
using Jim’s short cut from Cabrillo Hwy to the site arrived! Jim on his 
proto-Hungapillar with fat tires and that awesome grey  red paint! Manny 
with his orange Hillborne, new mustache bars, huge rando bag of usefulness 
and beausage Grant would approve. The rumble was really happening it all 
felt right. Almost immediately the dapper Mike Allen drove In with his 
Atlantis set up with sprung saddle, upright bars and down-tube shifters the 
NorCal contingent was accounted for.  Shortly after Mitch Browne a local 
around these parts dropped in to see how we were doing and visit awhile. 
Manny was collecting kindling, Evan  I were playing with Manny’s bike and 
the others were discussing, parts, bikes and Rivendell philosophy.  Manny 
got the fire roaring and grilled fresh calamari with some dill sprinkled 
on, Jim and I cooked up bowtie pasta with a marinara sauce  gourmet 
sausage we were all filled sufficiently. There was talk about paleo this  
that but hey pasta sure tastes good and we all knew we had a rumble to deal 
with the next day! Let the strategizing commence.

…let’s see what the Riv bike count was? Two Atlanti, two Homies, a 
Hungapiller appropriately sized and a Nomish Hillborne with built in 
hijinx…wow its 12:30am quick dispersion…head on pillows and the Long Beach 
softball team with a serenade.

Eye’s open and the smell of sausage wrapped in bacon and “Underwater 
coffee” ala Keven. Manny whirling away on a grind and an infectious 
smile…lots more talk and it was time to saddle up and get this Ramble I 
mean Rumble on!

 Doug was the master planner as he’s been rambling around these here parts 
for years, Daughter went to school up here and settled in Arroyo 
Grande…lucky cuss always has a reason to visit this idyllic area and have a 
place to hang his cap…the rumble took us back into San Luis Obispo  over 
the 101 on Santa Rosa Street right on Higuera Street to Madonna Road I 
believe we travelled down Ontario Rd to San Luis Bay Drive and entered See 
Canyon Rd ( Doug can confirm)…up we climbed a rolling curvy road with a 
canopy of trees through a mixture of farms  orchards evoking times spent 
in Sonoma county, we took lots of breaks with lots of bike talk and of 
course photo-op’s; Jim has to be the Rivendell historian his knowledge is 
vast and has followed Rivendell’s genesis from Bstone day’s.  We topped out 
on a ridge with views to the ocean and Morro rock in the distance shrouded 
in clouds. At one point I watched slack jawed as Manny bounded up a rocky 
hill like a sure foot goat all for an ideal camera vantage point, this was 
after managing to scale a barbed wire fence! Pictures (his) prove the worth 
of his endeavor. These feats are common place for those in NorCal who 
witness such feats and we have gleaned some from the group but to see him 
in action is something.

From the top Doug lead us

[RBW] Re: Zurich bike shop recos?

2013-07-30 Thread Sumehra

Thanks for your input, Michael.  Yes, given the great emphasis on bicycling 
infrastructure and culture, there are tons of good bike shops in Zurich, 
and I have visited a few.  I have however yet to find a 'riv-ish' bike shop 
that specializes in classic bicycles.  I did however find an amazing shop 
in Berne today called Velostatt http://velostatt.ch/.  They stock Surly, 
Velo Orange, Gilles Berthoud, Brooks, Pashley. etc.

I also found a custom bike shop called GOrilla urban 
cyclinghttp://gorillabicycles.com/ in 
Zurich.  They make and sell a different style of bike, but the guy knows 
how to source quality parts.  I have been there a couple of times now, and 
I think they will be the ones doing work on my riv going forward :).  Here 
is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ8ZUEKEoDYfrom one of my 
visits.

Agreed--Zurich is expensive, but with low taxes and higher incomes, after 
the initial sticker shock, it is manageable.



On Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:02:14 AM UTC+2, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I have spent a coup;e of weeks in Zurich on a couple of occasions, and 
 can't believe this could be a big problem.  Zurich is a great city and 
 bicycles are everywhere.  Schools, businesses and train stations are 
 surrounded by bikes.  Even in Jan. there are lots of practical commuter 
 bikes on the road.  The only drawback is that Zurich is German for Too 
 Rich, and for very good reason.  You may have to sell both your car and 
 children to afford to live there.
 Michael 

 On Friday, July 26, 2013 5:51:37 PM UTC-4, Sumehra wrote:

 I just moved to Zurich and am wondering the same thing.  Can anyone 
 recommended a reliable shops/mechanic?

 On Friday, July 13, 2012 7:17:39 PM UTC+2, PlainWrapPedaler wrote:

 Travel takes me to Switzerland and I am looking for any recommendations 
 on Riv-friendly (or for Bay Area folks, Box Dog/Jitensha worthy) bike shops 
 in Zurich and environs. 
 Thanks,
 Russ



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread WETH

It reads and looks like an absolute blast!  Thanks for the write-ups and 
pictures.  
-Erl

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Fancy modern nitto rack

Bob:

Unfortunately not.  Nitto kept this one perhaps too clean  simple in that 
respect.  

dougP

On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:20:55 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:


 dougP and others,

 Can anyone say if there is a natural or built-in way to attach a tail 
 light to the R26?  I have no direct experience with the Nitto racks, but in 
 the pictures I have  seen, there has not been an obvious mount point.

 All help appreciated,

 Bob 


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

It's tough to fit a bike. Really, it's much tougher than I think it seems 
to many of us. It's way tougher than selling shoes and even that isn't 
straightforward. Can we give well-intentioned shop owners, manufacturers 
and bike shop kids the benefit of the doubt? That doesn't mean we should 
blindly accept their views as truth. Caveat emptor.

Regarding the challenges of bike fitting:

First, there are the assumptions and values that go along with any fit 
system - including Grant's. There's the problem that there somehow needs 
to be any system and that we somehow feel better if we've been sized by a 
system rather than trusting ourselves. As Ron points out, science sells. 
Why do we need science to tell us a bike fits? Just ride, right? In a 
perfect world, we'd each have bodies that were perfectly proportioned, with 
no underlying injuries or anatomical quirks and any bike we'd buy would 
instantly adapt to us as we age, get fitter, decided to ride more or less, 
gain experience, or use the bike for different purposes. So, even a bike 
that's perfectly fitted and comfortable at the moment of purchase may not 
continue to be so after the glow of the purchase has faded or conditions 
change. It's funny that we'd expect anyone to fit a bike properly when 
proper fit is all about our own subjective feelings of comfort. The problem 
is exacerbated when the prospective rider hasn't really ridden since he or 
she was a kid. While I'll bet most of us on this list can no longer recall 
a time when virtually ANY bike would have felt uncomfortable, the beginner 
is completely dependent on someone else saying this should work so they 
discount their own misgivings. Or . . . contrary folks with their own minds 
that they are, they resist our well intentioned advice because what we're 
suggesting just doesn't *feel* right. Ever tried to convince a child that 
her or his seat height is wrong?

There's also the complication of dealing with what people believe they want 
and need. Folks look at a bike with fat tires, a stack o spacers, bars way 
up there, triple chainrings or even a perfectly good bike without lugs and 
think that bike ain't for me. There are these individually defined 
aesthetics to consider and there's also the psychology of our own ego's. 
There are the influences we value over others or that we unconsciously 
accept. The issue isn't limited to bikes. I can't tell you how many folks 
I've met with outdoor gear that really isn't suited to who they are and 
what they actually do. Rather, they bought the gear (encouraged by a 
friend, a salesperson, an instructor, someone on a list like this . . .) to 
fit who they want to be. Nothing against instructors, salespeople, friends, 
etc., but we all also have our own biases and sometimes people ask us for 
our advice without accepting it as tentatively as they should. For our 
part, sometimes we speak our own truths a little too confidently. In the 
end, folks end up with too-tippy beautiful kayaks that the expert said 
they'd grow into or overly complex stoves that use multiple fuel types 
for imaginary expeditions, or steel bikes that can be repaired by a guy 
with a turban and a torch . . . just in case. Gosh, there are people in 
Walnut Creek buying the best axes in the world who have never used any 
axe and will probably never use the axe they buy from RBW. Manufacturers 
and retailers stay in business by selling a substantial amount of stuff 
that people don't actually *need, *that actually doesn't fit and that they 
really can't afford. Advertisers discovered long ago that most of us are 
immature enough to think that our possessions define who we are.

We are funny and fickle creatures and I can't imagine trying to make a 
living catering to our likes as a manufacturer or retailer. Although their 
actions irritate me constantly, I'm willing to cut folks in the bike 
business some slack because they wouldn't do what they do if it caused them 
to go out of business - somebody buys the stuff - more do than don't. They 
are trying to stay in business by building and selling what actually sells. 

I'm truly glad that Ian was able to positively influence the purchase of 
his friend's bike. Perhaps his friend will continue to ride his new bike 
and it will continue to fit. 

DC



On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:46:03 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 in a perfect world, we'd all have custom-made frames with top tubes and 
 seat tubes made just for us.  Most of us can't.  My buddy and I are both 
 6'3, but my legs are 5 longer than his, and his torso is 5 longer than 
 mine.  He rides a 59cm and needs a long top tube, I ride a 64cm and need a 
 short top tube.  So you get close and dial it in with seat and stem.  It 
 really isn't rocket science.  The Snow Job is what marketers call using 
 science to sell - it's a strategy you see prevalent in competitive markets. 
  Bicycling happens to be the single largest sports entertainment market on 
 the planet.  

 On

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread Bryan

Looks like a good times with good people! Sorry to have missed it. 

Bryan 


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread Bryan

Looks like good times with good people! Sorry to have missed it. 

Thanks so much for posting the photos and trip reports. 

Bryan 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Sudden Onset Bike Purchase

Sergio, my favorite lurker!  Congrat's on posting!  Thanks for letting me 
get such a vicarious thrill helping you find your dream Atlantis.  Now for 
the riding!  xxoo liesl

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread Matt Beebe

Joe Bell can definitely match a color if you send him a sample. I did 
this when my custom frame was ready to be painted.   He told me he'd do his 
best to match the color, but then asked me to be rigidly flexible in my 
expectations, then proceeded to do an unbelievably awesome job.The 
color was spot on and looks way better than I could've imagined.



On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:21:56 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:

 I got ya!   

 Yeah

 There's pure khaki, that uniform sand/tan of the current BSA shirts and 
 USMC Alphas;  then there's pure olive-drab, which would be the rest of 
 the colors of BSA pants and USMC pants and coats;  but then there's that 
 shade that's a darker khaki and/or a pale olive-drab, that under one light 
 it's a tan but under another light it's a green, almost as if it was a 
 tweed blended of the two   -  I completely understand what you mean now 

 I think, now that I've thought about, I agree, calling it a khaki green 
 would suit and describe it well   khaki as tan, OD as green, and khaki 
 green as that between color

 Good color



 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:03:56 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 As folks who went on the RCWS24o will attest,  I have a great fondness 
 for vintage BSA uniforms, equipment, etc, especially from the 1930's and 
 '40's (long OT story that I'll spare you).  For the camping trip, I had a 
 quite dapper 1940's era wool BSA shirt--metal buttons and everything.  They 
 don't make 'em like that anymore! I spent some time in the parking lot 
 outside of RivWorldHQ trying to match the color paint swatches with my 
 shirt.  The catalog categorized this color range as yellow-greens.  I would 
 add that they have a smitch of red so that the color goes in a subtle 
 brown-tan direction.  Is this Khaki?  OD?  Olive?  Who knows!  But the WWII 
 era color is quite a bit richer/more complex than what I see in the current 
 OD to Khaki directions.  It's a bit like the Derby Green tweed of the Riv 
 sweaters under a magnifier—lots of different colors in the details.

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:28:51 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:

 Alternate aside:   am I weird for only using khaki to describe tan or 
 beige, and if it goes green, I call it olive or olive drab, but not 
 khaki?   Maybe it's the former Marine in me, but OD and khaki get paired a 
 lot.  







 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by a lack of opinions!  A few quick 
 comments:

 1) Grants says any color headtube as long as it's cream (or the same 
 color as the rest of the bike)

 2) the diminutive frame size, the diagatube and tentacular stays, and 
 my request for a fork that'll take 55mm tires all combined are a design 
 challenge worthy of the designer!  last report was it's like fitting four 
 balls into three and a half holes.  Keep your fingers crossed on that 
 front.

 keep your suggestions coming!



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread hsmitham

I have been remiss, Evan has a superb creamy blue AHH , albatross bars with 
plush padding,  Platrack  Slickersack mounted out front; Doug has the 
second generation Atlantis with beausage showing all the miles he has 
travelled, both Evan  Doug are great riding partners.who I hope to ride 
with again  again...and now all of our bikes have travelling/Mojo knomes 
ala Manny. Thanks Manny! And thanks for suggesting the NorCal/SoCal Rumble.

~Hugh 


  


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

I do, though, use my Gransfors-Bruk Mini Hatchet.  ;)

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:52:27 PM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote:

 Joe Bell can definitely match a color if you send him a sample. I did 
 this when my custom frame was ready to be painted.   He told me he'd do his 
 best to match the color, but then asked me to be rigidly flexible in my 
 expectations, then proceeded to do an unbelievably awesome job.The 
 color was spot on and looks way better than I could've imagined.


I can handle being rigidly flexible–but can I trust Joe with my vintage 
wool BSA shirt?  That is the question! 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Zurich bike shop recos?

2013-07-30 Thread Tom Harrop

Well. I have wondered if the lady-friend and I are the only Riv owners on 
the continent. Glad to hear there are others!

Tom
Köln, DE

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-30 Thread Peter Morgano

Lets not have this degrade into something where people have to justify to
whoever that they use what they buy or deserve to own something. I buy
stuff because I like it, what I do or don't do with it is my own business.
I might buy that hatchet and just hang it on a wall for the next 20 years
because I think its pretty. I ride my Bombadil maybe once a week, do I
deserve to own it less? Good luck on the bike fitting, its why I bought
used for years until I found a fit that was just right for me, saves a lot
of sticker shock when you get a new frame from the LBS.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 I do, though, use my Gransfors-Bruk Mini Hatchet.  ;)

  --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Sudden Onset Bike Purchase

2013-07-30 Thread Frank Brose

I might be wrong but that sure looks like Jim Thill's from Hiawatha Cyclery 
in Minneapolis that he decided to part ways with some time back. Nice 
Score! Like Christopher said You can do anything on an Atlantis Enjoy!

On Monday, July 29, 2013 10:03:13 PM UTC-5, Sergio wrote:

 Hello! I'm writing to introduce myself as a new (used) Rivendell Atlantis 
 owner. It wasn't a planned event and certainly wasn't budgeted, but this is 
 the kind of trouble you get yourself into when you hang with Liesl. 


 Long story short: 

 I bought Steve's bike off the RBW Owners Bunch group. Black Atlantis with 
 SS couplers and generally really nice parts. I'm super psyched.


 Short story long:

 Following a round-town and backyard S240 we got to chatting about my dream 
 bike, a Rivendell Atlantis. We talked about some details and bar-type (I 
 wanted to switch up to Albas from the Noodles I had on my current bike). 
 Extra fantasy-part bonus would be SS couplers. It was an innocent enough 
 conversation, in which I clearly stated that I didn't have the funds set 
 aside and that it was a long-term dream--5 to 10 year goal. Well, a few 
 hours after we parted ways I looked to my phone and saw: missed call, voice 
 mail, 2 x texts. All from Liesl. I cringed because I knew it could only 
 mean one thing. Sure enough, she just spotted the deal of the century on 
 the group. It was even set up with Albas and had SS couplers. Next thing I 
 know, I'm looking it up. Next next thing I know I'm writing an email. Then 
 I'm on the phone with Steve. Then I've purchased and am eagerly 
 anticipating it's arrival.


 It arrived while I was away on vacation (shipped to a friend's house) so I 
 was torn between enjoying mountain biking and seeing family in the Bay Area 
 and wanting to get the heck back to Minneapolis to see this new beauty. 
 Common sense ruled the day and I didn't get an early return ticket. While 
 in the Bay Area, I decided to make a pilgrimage to Riv to pick up some 
 pedals (sneaker) and some decals. The bike is smartly without any Riv 
 decals--very incognito and just a little less thief-magnetic for it. 
 However, since this is my first Riv and I'm just short enough on 
 self-security I really want to bask in the reflected glow of this pedigreed 
 chariot. Anyway, had a really nice chat with Keven and he sent me off with 
 the goods plus a few Readers and a coin purse to boot. Super cool.


 I arrived home late Friday and put it together Saturday morning. It rides 
 like a dream. So, all this to say, I am really jazzed about my new bike and 
 have enjoyed lurking on the site. There's a lot of positivity and good 
 information here and I'm glad to be officially joining the group. Cheers, 
 and thanks Liesl! Hope to see some of you fellow Minneapolitans around town.


 Sergio


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

Hugh  Manny have captured the essence of this trip nicely in photos  
words.  Hugh's photo of Manny standing on a pole taking a picture is The 
Classic Manny.  Manny's group shot is about the only time we were all 
stationary.  This is one high energy bunch.  After a leisurely couple of 
days getting there on my own, it was an interesting change to ramp up to 
keeping up with the group.  Frequent photo ops kept us together (more or 
less).  

My heartfelt thanks to the cooks, Hugh  Manny.  Calamari starters with 
pasta  sausage main course, absolutely delightful.  And bacon wrapped 
sausage for breakfast!  While I'm not high on the paleo concept, this was 
truly fuel for the road.  

For the navigationally curious, El Chorro is on SR 1 Cabrillo Hwy, opposite 
Cuesta College.  Sunday's ride took SR 1 east into SLO, right on Higuera 
thru downtown (one of the neatest downtowns anywhere).  Higuera exists SLO 
to become Ontario Rd, down to San Luis Bay Dr.  Right on San Luis Bay Dr to 
See Canyon, another right up See Canyon, a particularly pretty, quiet, 
isolated road.  See Canyon eventually becomes Prefumo Canyon Rd  descends 
to Los Osos Valley Rd.  We hung a right (tailwind direction) to Madonna Rd, 
left back into SLO for lunch, and return via SR 1.  Total was around 35ish 
miles; no clue on elevation but plenty of climbing.  

One of the signs of a successful tour is that toward the end you start 
planning the next one.  The hinted-at-above West Coast Rivendell 
Gathering, Cook-out  Camping Expedition will happen if enough people get 
stoked about it.  The recent photos of pushing the bikes thru the snow 
outside Portland got us to thinking..(always dangerous!).  Pacific 
Northwesters, expect company sometime!  

dougP



On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:59:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I have been remiss, Evan has a superb creamy blue AHH , albatross bars 
 with plush padding,  Platrack  Slickersack mounted out front; Doug has the 
 second generation Atlantis with beausage showing all the miles he has 
 travelled, both Evan  Doug are great riding partners.who I hope to ride 
 with again  again...and now all of our bikes have travelling/Mojo knomes 
 ala Manny. Thanks Manny! And thanks for suggesting the NorCal/SoCal Rumble.

 ~Hugh 


  



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

2013-07-30 Thread John Philip

I agree. I never liked the p clamp mount. The Nitto hardware makes for easy on 
and off as well. I've mounted the rack on two bikes with only slight 
adjustment. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Unknown Coast Weekend Ride, September 14-15

Michael:

While I won't be there this year, I did this event a couple of years ago.  
The support is just perfect.  They haul your gear but no sag  only a 
single aid station per day (at the top of the toughest climb so you know 
you're really there).  You can do this on any bike that climbs decently.  
Lots of the host club people were on skinny tired racing bikes  I saw very 
few people walking.  Strong group.  You'll enjoy this one  your Atlantis 
would be fine.

dougP

On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:13:26 PM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:

 Is anyone else planning on doing this ride? Someone told me about it this 
 weekend at the Cal Riv Rumble, and I just signed myself up. I'm hoping to 
 get the new Rambouillet built by then.

 Lots of climbing and lots of beautiful scenery.

 Michael Allen


 http://www.chicovelo.org/main/century-series/3-unknown-coast-weekend


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

Sounds like a hoot! I've been looking forward to the reports and pics and 
you guys didn't disappoint. 

I am certainly interested in further talks of a NW vs SW event in 2014. Mt 
Shasta, Modoc Plateau, or Trinity Alps might be suitable halfway type 
locations that I know very little about.

--Smitty
  

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:07:38 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 After some inspiration on the Seattle and Portland Rivendell Rumble the 
 California folks decided to their own Rivendell Rumble. 
 After a couple weeks of planning and a few email exchanges The SoCal and 
 NoCal Rivendell Rumble was on!

 When it comes to planning and organizing rides I am by far the worse 
 person to do such things. It was the helpful input from the SoCal folks 
 that really made it happened. Having a date and place led to making sure we 
 all met around the same time. Not really a easy feat when you are trying to 
 coordinate ETA from folks four hours away.
 Luckily Doug was the smart one who exchanged numbers with most of the 
 folks. 
 After driving adult speeds to get to SLO I get to the camp first. 
 In terms of the folks that rolled in it was Jim that came first then Mitch.

 We called Doug and found out that Doug, Evan and Hugh got separated on 
 their ride to the campgrounds. Seemed like they had their own kind of fun 
 before the start of the ramble. Doug told us not to wait up and to go 
 riding. So we did.

 Not really knowing the area we decided to go up something. With the help 
 directions from Mitch who was the local around here parts, we opted to ride 
 up a local bouldery peak call Bishop Peak. Or at least we tried to until we 
 had to ditch our bikes half way up the top. Funny thing is that when we got 
 close to the top we got a call from Doug who said they were around so and 
 so road of which we could see three cyclists riding on. Cool.

 Jim and I using a short-cut through the campgrounds got to finally meet 
 the rest of the group plus the only other NoCal folk, Mike who were already 
 settling into camp.

 It's always an amazing thing when I meet other folks on the list. Despite 
 never meeting them in person it felt like I'm hanging out with old friends 
 that you haven't seen in a while. It's great because I always have this 
 fear that when I meet RBW forum folks that it's going to be weird. Luckily 
 things did get weird but in a good way. We started dinner with some BBQ 
 calamari then worked out way to some elbow sausage pasta that Jim brought 
 and Hugh cooked. The rumble was more of a geeky bike talk event as we 
 talked about bike and life related stuff. Surprisingly we talked about a 
 lot of folks on the list and how we would love to meet them 
 sometime...(more on this later). We kept talking until one of us noted that 
 it was 1230am after which we instantly departed to our sleeping bags to get 
 ready for the real rumble the next day.

 We wake up to some coffee, bacon wrapped hotdogs and some special Mitch 
 donut delivery to fuel us for our ride that day.
 I figured it was a horrible idea for me to try and plan a ride route so 
 Doug suggested a route and we all followed suit. Doug took us on this 
 beautiful climb up to to short gravel road that top us to see the tip of 
 the Morro Bay Rock covered in fog. The descent down was amazing and we 
 continued to town to have sandwiches. On our return ride back to the 
 campgrounds despite being full Mike instigated some friendly racy tactics 
 that led us to finish the ride sweaty and crampy. All in good fun.
 We vowed to try to make it an annual thing and figured a Oregon vs 
 California Rivendell Rumble needs to happen...

 It's amazing how great it was to meet the faces behind the names and how 
 it felt so natural to ride and hang out with such a great group. Lets make 
 this West Coast Rivendell Rumble happen!

 Pictures Proved that internet friend can be real friends too:
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHaw4Qr

 -Manny Lolipops suck Acosta


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Sudden Onset Bike Purchase

IIRC the ad for this bike mentioned that it was ex-Jim Thill.  It just 
wanted to return to the Twin Cities  Sergio made it happen.  
Congratulations!  And the comments about the Atlantis capability to do 
anything are true.  Good on Liesl for keeping an eye out for you on this.  
My wife came to be an Atlantis owner courtesy of a sharp eyed list member 
who sent an ad I would not have seen otherwise.  Atlantis seem to have a 
way of finding homes when in need.

dougP

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:09:20 PM UTC-7, Frank Brose wrote:

 I might be wrong but that sure looks like Jim Thill's from Hiawatha 
 Cyclery in Minneapolis that he decided to part ways with some time back. 
 Nice Score! Like Christopher said You can do anything on an Atlantis 
 Enjoy!

 On Monday, July 29, 2013 10:03:13 PM UTC-5, Sergio wrote:

 Hello! I'm writing to introduce myself as a new (used) Rivendell Atlantis 
 owner. It wasn't a planned event and certainly wasn't budgeted, but this is 
 the kind of trouble you get yourself into when you hang with Liesl. 


 Long story short: 

 I bought Steve's bike off the RBW Owners Bunch group. Black Atlantis with 
 SS couplers and generally really nice parts. I'm super psyched.


 Short story long:

 Following a round-town and backyard S240 we got to chatting about my 
 dream bike, a Rivendell Atlantis. We talked about some details and bar-type 
 (I wanted to switch up to Albas from the Noodles I had on my current bike). 
 Extra fantasy-part bonus would be SS couplers. It was an innocent enough 
 conversation, in which I clearly stated that I didn't have the funds set 
 aside and that it was a long-term dream--5 to 10 year goal. Well, a few 
 hours after we parted ways I looked to my phone and saw: missed call, voice 
 mail, 2 x texts. All from Liesl. I cringed because I knew it could only 
 mean one thing. Sure enough, she just spotted the deal of the century on 
 the group. It was even set up with Albas and had SS couplers. Next thing I 
 know, I'm looking it up. Next next thing I know I'm writing an email. Then 
 I'm on the phone with Steve. Then I've purchased and am eagerly 
 anticipating it's arrival.


 It arrived while I was away on vacation (shipped to a friend's house) so 
 I was torn between enjoying mountain biking and seeing family in the Bay 
 Area and wanting to get the heck back to Minneapolis to see this new 
 beauty. Common sense ruled the day and I didn't get an early return ticket. 
 While in the Bay Area, I decided to make a pilgrimage to Riv to pick up 
 some pedals (sneaker) and some decals. The bike is smartly without any Riv 
 decals--very incognito and just a little less thief-magnetic for it. 
 However, since this is my first Riv and I'm just short enough on 
 self-security I really want to bask in the reflected glow of this pedigreed 
 chariot. Anyway, had a really nice chat with Keven and he sent me off with 
 the goods plus a few Readers and a coin purse to boot. Super cool.


 I arrived home late Friday and put it together Saturday morning. It rides 
 like a dream. So, all this to say, I am really jazzed about my new bike and 
 have enjoyed lurking on the site. There's a lot of positivity and good 
 information here and I'm glad to be officially joining the group. Cheers, 
 and thanks Liesl! Hope to see some of you fellow Minneapolitans around town.


 Sergio



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Build

Kristy:

What size tires are those?  Also, let us know how the Jones bars work out.  
I'm musing on changing bars on my Atlantis.  

dougP

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:22:32 PM UTC-7, kmcmoobud wrote:

 Hi,

 I just finished building up my partner's new Atlantis, which we purchased 
 from listserv member Pepe.  We took it out for a test ride and had an 
 unfortunate encounter with chain suck.  The first scratch of many, I 
 suppose.  

 We picked a mix of components to make the bike flexible enough to tour, 
 keep up (mostly) during shorter road/group rides, and most importantly, to 
 carry my trout-fishing obsessed partner to the harder to reach blue line 
 fishing streams where the native brookies tend to hide.The build list 
 link is included with the pictures, which are found here:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/surlybvisits/sets/72157634826315045/

 Racks, fenders, and a few other small items to be added when we find the 
 pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which, if there is any bike can get 
 us there, this is the one!

 Oh, and a big shout out to Steve Cheers with Mountain Sports 
 Limitedhttp://mountainsportsltd.com/for listening to us go on and on and on 
 about the build!  Visit these guys 
 if you can.

 Happy riding,

 Kristy


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread Evan Spacht

Going along with what the others said, this weekend was the first time most 
of us had met each other, and by the end of the first night, brought 
together by a shared passion, we all felt like old friends. There were so 
many firsts for me on this trip: first S240 with the bike, mini tour and 
Ramble, and first meet up with a few more Rivendell Brothers

Most of my documentation happened off-the-bike at el Churro or during and 
during short snack brakes. Here's my photo set from the Ramble : 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coconutbill/sets/72157634848441291/

Thank you's to Hugh for the excellent drive's up and down the coast, shared 
stories, and various forms of encouragement! Doug, you are a sage-like, map 
toting, trail guru; thanks for picking such interesting routes and leading 
us on an excellent Ramble. Jim, I envy your proto-Hunq despite it being 
more than 20cm too tall for me. Hugh dubbed you the Rivendell Historian, 
and I'd have to agree; thanks for the delicious foods, beer, and 
Bridgestone Mountain Bike overview and good conversation. Mike, you are a 
scholarly dude with a classy adventure vehicle. Glad we could meet; thanks 
for the delightful conversation! Manny , you brought such a positive energy 
to the group. Thanks for your dad's squid, Kev's coffee, the mojo, for 
trading bikes, and suggesting this event! Can't wait to continue the Ramble 
next year.

tune in , turn on, drop out for the California invasion Ramble in 2014.

with a new found inspiration,
Evan







-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Colorado Autumn S24O

I am going to presume my brain injury needs are a barrier to participation 
and step out of the way so that all who expressed interest in Kip's 
Colorado thread can put together a ramble or S24O without the need to be 
concerned about if/how to accommodate the brain bludgeoned. I am hoping on 
doing Kenosha Pass this autumn, and if I happen to see any of you that 
would be wonderful.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, July 29, 2013 4:54:14 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Timing: Generally the weekend closest to Sept. 22 is the best for aspen 
 colors, but 1 week on either side still catches a lot. So Sept. 21-22 is 
 ideal for aspen colors, and I have something already scheduled the weekend 
 before that, leaving Sept. 28-29 as the second option. Preferences?

 Camping: I greatly prefer camping in National Forest and foregoing a 
 campground. Is that fine?

 Location: I like Kip's suggestion of Kenosha Pass as a fairly central 
 meeting point. There are several great options we have.

 1) Starting from Kenosha Pass itself, there is some great single track on 
 the Colorado Trail up toward Georgia Pass (section 5 of the CT), with 
 camping in some aspen various places before it gets too steep. Stop, set up 
 camp, then day ride the pass and go from there?

 2) Boreas Pass out of Como is a ride I've wanted to do, and there looks to 
 be
 great camping up a ways along Tarryall Creek, with some loop options via
 Gold Dust Trail and other roads in the area. It appears (from my Trails
 Illustrated map) that no ATV's are allowed in that area on Boreas Pass or
 Gold Dust Trail. Folks could also ride to Breckenridge and back if desired.

 So, hearing back on your choice of date and ride/camp as well as if you 
 would be able to go with fragrance free soap/shampoo/laundry detergent, etc 
 for a week or two prior so I could come would be wonderful (I know that's a 
 BIG ask).

 Be prepared for Colorado's range of Autumn weather: Sunny and 70 - snowy 
 and 20, and everything in-between -- possibly all within an hour or two. 
 The gear ain't all fitting in a front basket for this one if you're 
 prepared. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

Lets not have this degrade into something where people have to justify to 
whoever that they use what they buy or deserve to own something.

Yep, I agree 100%. I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone.

I have nothin' against hatchet buyers or sellers, would-be woodspeople in 
Walnut Creek, or anybody who buys something they don't strictly need - 
especially things as benign as bicycles and and nicely made hatchets. My 
message had more to do with *tolerance and understanding* for people in the 
bike industry. 

I meant to highlight that bike fitting is complicated by a whole range of 
factors that includes the nature of expert advice, advertising hype, what 
sells, and a view of our possessions as a means of defining who we are. 
Folks buy often buy stuff based on an image of themselves they find 
appealing and what that sort of person might do someday. Those self images 
and desires can complicate fitting customers out in outdoor gear that is 
appropriate. Of course, it's only a complication for a salesperson who 
actually cares that the customer is well served by the purchase.

The hatchet comment wasn't necessary to make my point. Sorry, but the image 
of suburban, Riv-riding, hatchet-toting bike riders does strike me as a 
little bit funny. Thanks for being forgiving about that, Liesl. 

Peter - I must admit that I might buy one of those nice hatchets BECAUSE it 
would make a lovely wall hanging.  I'm also a guy who, until recently, 
owned seven bikes and at least a couple of those NEVER got ridden. Nope, it 
won't be me who will be throwing stones . . . or hatchets.

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:45:07 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Lets not have this degrade into something where people have to justify to 
 whoever that they use what they buy or deserve to own something. I buy 
 stuff because I like it, what I do or don't do with it is my own business. 
 I might buy that hatchet and just hang it on a wall for the next 20 years 
 because I think its pretty. I ride my Bombadil maybe once a week, do I 
 deserve to own it less? Good luck on the bike fitting, its why I bought 
 used for years until I found a fit that was just right for me, saves a lot 
 of sticker shock when you get a new frame from the LBS.


 On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org javascript:wrote:

 I do, though, use my Gransfors-Bruk Mini Hatchet.  ;)

  -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:.
 To post to this group, send email to 
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
 .
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
  
  




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: FS: brooks tetkro shimano nitto paul

2013-07-30 Thread joe kelly

hi folks
all of these items are still for sale . same shipping terms. 
my reply email will say billy f gibbons as the name but rest assured its 
me. i started as a joke/goof but now i cant figure out how to change it to 
my name, so im stuck with it.
thanks for your time
joe kelly
columbus ohio

On Monday, July 22, 2013 8:22:27 PM UTC-4, joe kelly wrote:

 hi folks
 i have the following rivish items for sale:

 _nitto technomic 8cm  used 35
 _shimano deore xt hb-m750 front hub new with skewer 25
 _paul gino light mount new in package 15
 _tektro rl720 interupter levers for canti/sidepull brakes new 15
 _brooks b-17 the tension bolt is pertneer worn out as far as the brooks 
 tool is concerned. needle nose vise grips work on it just fine. used 60

 all items add $5 for shipping. if you buy more than one item shipping 
 remains $5
 thanks for your time
 joe kelly
 columbus ohio


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread Eric Platt

Another vote for army green.  There are a lot of black bikes in the Twin
Cities. (Especially Surly).  Even I have one.  Green stands out more from
the everyday bike.

Plus, it will be an asset if you decide to stealth camp around town.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:52:27 PM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote:

 Joe Bell can definitely match a color if you send him a sample. I did
 this when my custom frame was ready to be painted.   He told me he'd do his
 best to match the color, but then asked me to be rigidly flexible in my
 expectations, then proceeded to do an unbelievably awesome job.The
 color was spot on and looks way better than I could've imagined.


 I can handle being rigidly flexible–but can I trust Joe with my vintage
 wool BSA shirt?  That is the question!

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Fancy modern nitto rack

2013-07-30 Thread Brian Campbell

Did you cut the lower mounting tangs for a custom fit?

On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:19:08 AM UTC-4, dougP wrote:

 Quick post before I head out for the Nor Cal / So Cal meet-up (any excuse 
 for a tour, even a short one).

 I've got the R26 on my Atlantis, 700c wheels.  The platform is shorter and 
 narrower than the Nitto Big Back rack.  The lower pannier mounting rails 
 sold me because it makes pannier and platform loading independent.  At 
 first, the narrower platform looked problematic but hasn't been an issue.  

 This rack is 10 mm tubing (the others are 9 mm) and the design angles the 
 sides in enough to make it quite stiff.  The shorter length means a more 
 careful fitting of the panniers to keep them back from your feet.  I 
 borrowed a pair of 40 liter Ortliebs and even those giants work fine with 
 my size 11 feet.  

 Altogether a nice rack, somewhat different in style than what we're used 
 to seeing but even more functional IMHO.

 dougP

 On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:31:15 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over at Soma (Merry Sales distro?)
 http://store.somafab.com/nir26rera.html
 Nitto r26

 A more modern looking rack from Nitto.
 - Chrome-plated steel
 - Height adjustable for 26 and 700c wheels
 - Narrow platform means the struts angle out to give good pannier support
 - Two types of mounting stays included (P-Clamps also included so you can 
 fit this to a frame that doesn't have braze-ons on the seatstays)

 Looks fantastic!

 -J



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-30 Thread Robert Barr

Army green - and given your fondness for early BSA green, take a look at a
new-old variant now called alpha green


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another vote for army green.  There are a lot of black bikes in the Twin
 Cities. (Especially Surly).  Even I have one.  Green stands out more from
 the everyday bike.

 Plus, it will be an asset if you decide to stealth camp around town.
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


 On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:52:27 PM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote:

 Joe Bell can definitely match a color if you send him a sample. I
 did this when my custom frame was ready to be painted.   He told me he'd do
 his best to match the color, but then asked me to be rigidly flexible in
 my expectations, then proceeded to do an unbelievably awesome job.The
 color was spot on and looks way better than I could've imagined.


 I can handle being rigidly flexible–but can I trust Joe with my vintage
 wool BSA shirt?  That is the question!

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.




  --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

Nice!! I usually file the ends of the stays to round them off as well. 
Seems like end caps always fall off and the sharp metal on the stays can 
result in cuts.

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:08:25 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

 More pics after I trimmed the stay. 

 Andy, you're next. 
 On Jul 30, 2013 4:37 PM, John Philip japhil...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 I agree. I never liked the p clamp mount. The Nitto hardware makes for 
 easy on and off as well. I've mounted the rack on two bikes with only 
 slight adjustment.

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
 .
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.


  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Build

Really pretty bicycle and endless attention to detail - extremely well 
done. The silver colour LX hubs look fantastic. Excellent photography too. 
 What brakes are those?  

Ian A
Edmonton AB Canada  

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:22:32 PM UTC-6, kmcmoobud wrote:

 Hi,

 I just finished building up my partner's new Atlantis, which we purchased 
 from listserv member Pepe.  We took it out for a test ride and had an 
 unfortunate encounter with chain suck.  The first scratch of many, I 
 suppose.  

 We picked a mix of components to make the bike flexible enough to tour, 
 keep up (mostly) during shorter road/group rides, and most importantly, to 
 carry my trout-fishing obsessed partner to the harder to reach blue line 
 fishing streams where the native brookies tend to hide.The build list 
 link is included with the pictures, which are found here:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/surlybvisits/sets/72157634826315045/

 Racks, fenders, and a few other small items to be added when we find the 
 pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which, if there is any bike can get 
 us there, this is the one!

 Oh, and a big shout out to Steve Cheers with Mountain Sports 
 Limitedhttp://mountainsportsltd.com/for listening to us go on and on and on 
 about the build!  Visit these guys 
 if you can.

 Happy riding,

 Kristy


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread Edwin W

For a single child:
I like the type that have a bracket that fits on the seat tube: easy on and 
off, not much left on your bike when the kid is not. 
Kettler makes some like that. I like having the kid in the font, though, but 
with the iBert it is limiting in weight capacity and space with typical bikes. 

Let us know what you get. Edwin (3 boys under 7). 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Child seat

2013-07-30 Thread hangtownmatt

Michael,

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:08:55 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Somewhat OT, but a post to the Lifestyles list got only one response.  My 
 grandson is now old enough to ride behind his mom, and really loves it, so 
 I am thinking about getting a seat and putting it on my Trek 620.  Any 
 advice about models and use would be much appreciated.

 Michael,


Personally, I would never put a child in a seat at top tube heights.  In an 
accident they are defenseless and it's a long way to fall.  I would imagine 
the child's head would take a terrible hit.  I recommend a Burley trailer. 
  Not as fun for the child but if the bike goes sideways the trailer stays 
upright. Just my humble opinion.

Matt

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread hangtownmatt

Thank You Manny and Hugh for taking the time to share pictures and recaps.  
I wish I would have gone.  July 27th was my birthday, and as it turned out, 
I didn't do much.  Oh well :(  

Out of curiosity; does everyone carry locks on these rides or do you use 
the buddy system?  What about at night ... at camp?

Matt

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

I always carry a decent lock  use it at night, as well as anytime I'm away 
from the bike.  Sometimes even if I can see it from inside I'll lock it.  A 
few pounds of lock doesn't really affect the bike and losing the Atlantis 
would be painful.

dougP

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:18:40 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:

 Thank You Manny and Hugh for taking the time to share pictures and 
 recaps.  I wish I would have gone.  July 27th was my birthday, and as it 
 turned out, I didn't do much.  Oh well :(  

 Out of curiosity; does everyone carry locks on these rides or do you use 
 the buddy system?  What about at night ... at camp?

 Matt



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] Re: Fancy modern nitto rack

Brian:

Not yet.  That's a one way street.  On the top pair of eyelets and the 
lower bolt holes on the rack tabs, there's plenty of clearance between the 
rack  tire.  The tabs are angled such that the rack moves forward as you 
utilize upper bolt holes.  Scroll thru the photos on the NorCal - SoCal 
Rumble to see some close ups of the rack  mounting, especially Evan's 
photo of my Atlantis on the ground, sans rear wheel.  Pretty good close up 
of the rack there  other places.  Manny has a photo of the mojo hanging 
from the rack that may show the tab detail.  

dougP

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:08:44 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 Did you cut the lower mounting tangs for a custom fit?

 On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:19:08 AM UTC-4, dougP wrote:

 Quick post before I head out for the Nor Cal / So Cal meet-up (any excuse 
 for a tour, even a short one).

 I've got the R26 on my Atlantis, 700c wheels.  The platform is shorter 
 and narrower than the Nitto Big Back rack.  The lower pannier mounting 
 rails sold me because it makes pannier and platform loading independent.  
 At first, the narrower platform looked problematic but hasn't been an 
 issue.  

 This rack is 10 mm tubing (the others are 9 mm) and the design angles the 
 sides in enough to make it quite stiff.  The shorter length means a more 
 careful fitting of the panniers to keep them back from your feet.  I 
 borrowed a pair of 40 liter Ortliebs and even those giants work fine with 
 my size 11 feet.  

 Altogether a nice rack, somewhat different in style than what we're used 
 to seeing but even more functional IMHO.

 dougP

 On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:31:15 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over at Soma (Merry Sales distro?)
 http://store.somafab.com/nir26rera.html
 Nitto r26

 A more modern looking rack from Nitto.
 - Chrome-plated steel
 - Height adjustable for 26 and 700c wheels
 - Narrow platform means the struts angle out to give good pannier support
 - Two types of mounting stays included (P-Clamps also included so you 
 can fit this to a frame that doesn't have braze-ons on the seatstays)

 Looks fantastic!

 -J



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-30 Thread hsmitham

David,

Wow! Kudos to you. You just saved me a a lot of typing. Everything, 
everything you just stated I agree with. Extremely well said. 

Advertisers, use the notion that we make decisions based on emotion and we 
rectify those decisions by believing we came to those decisions by way of 
rational thought. Hence having someone we trust to tell us what we should 
hear when making a large purchase is valuable especially when there can be 
so much noise from so called experts. I have spent time in many bike shops 
and have heard both inane and sage advice from bicycle sales people.

~Hugh

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread cyclotourist

I had really hoped to being able to pull this one off, but it was just
a bit much sandwiched in between family  work obligations. I am fully
jealous and in awe of the what looks to be a fantastic weekend!
Congrats to all of you!

On 7/30/13, Evan Spacht evan.spa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Going along with what the others said, this weekend was the first time most

 of us had met each other, and by the end of the first night, brought
 together by a shared passion, we all felt like old friends. There were so
 many firsts for me on this trip: first S240 with the bike, mini tour and
 Ramble, and first meet up with a few more Rivendell Brothers

 Most of my documentation happened off-the-bike at el Churro or during and
 during short snack brakes. Here's my photo set from the Ramble :
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/coconutbill/sets/72157634848441291/

 Thank you's to Hugh for the excellent drive's up and down the coast, shared

 stories, and various forms of encouragement! Doug, you are a sage-like, map

 toting, trail guru; thanks for picking such interesting routes and leading
 us on an excellent Ramble. Jim, I envy your proto-Hunq despite it being
 more than 20cm too tall for me. Hugh dubbed you the Rivendell Historian,
 and I'd have to agree; thanks for the delicious foods, beer, and
 Bridgestone Mountain Bike overview and good conversation. Mike, you are a
 scholarly dude with a classy adventure vehicle. Glad we could meet; thanks
 for the delightful conversation! Manny , you brought such a positive energy

 to the group. Thanks for your dad's squid, Kev's coffee, the mojo, for
 trading bikes, and suggesting this event! Can't wait to continue the Ramble

 next year.

 tune in , turn on, drop out for the California invasion Ramble in 2014.

 with a new found inspiration,
 Evan







 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
 email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.





-- 
Cheers,
David

it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

[RBW] WTB: Pletscher Two Leg Stand

2013-07-30 Thread cyclotourist

Anybody have one they're not using? Doesn't have to be pretty.

-- 
Cheers,
David

it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field