date:20130803

Come on Doug it wasn't that consequential was it...

~Hugh

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the 
 continental divide?  As in, wayy up in the mountains?  While I love my 
 Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it 
 seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate.  I 
 concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far 
 under.  Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride 
 are still fresh in mind.  

 dougP

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote:

 I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully 
 loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do 
 it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long 
 and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go 
 from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to 
 juuust the right amount.   It was really surprising what a difference it 
 makes.


 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot 
 of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti 
 instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard 
 a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough 
 cushioning? 

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: 
  How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, 
  self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the 
 whole 
  route. 



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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

Yes the Hungapillar would do nicely.

~Hugh

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Quick afterthought:  Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens  looks 
 to have some clearance.  Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies?  

 dougP

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the 
 continental divide?  As in, wayy up in the mountains?  While I love my 
 Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it 
 seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate.  I 
 concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far 
 under.  Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride 
 are still fresh in mind.  

 dougP

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote:

 I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully 
 loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do 
 it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long 
 and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go 
 from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to 
 juuust the right amount.   It was really surprising what a difference it 
 makes.


 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot 
 of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti 
 instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard 
 a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough 
 cushioning? 

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: 
  How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, 
  self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the 
 whole 
  route. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

Mike,

That ECR looks interesting. You may have stumbled me into another bike, as 
I was thinking of building up my old Salsa or Trek 850 into a strictly 
bike-camping rig but knowing Surly it would probably be easier to just 
plunk down the cash for this beasty.

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-03 Thread IanA

I just want to say that whenever you post, Patrick, I am always excited to 
read what you have to say.  The integrity you bring to your words and 
experience is almost tangible for the reader.  Your words below seem to 
integrate the personal energy of the designer and the builder into the 
bicycle creating something utterly organic and fluid.  It is the Zen of 
Patrick.

As near as I can tell because the attention Grant pays to every design and 
manufacturing detail, the quality, the lugs, and how they transfer the 
energy of the bike on the earth to the rider (I use proprioception through 
my feet and hands and rear to know where I am in space, though my brain 
hasn't a clue) is so qualitatively different that riding this bike helps my 
brain recover -- I just have to be doing well enough to hop on it and go 
(not always easy to come by).

On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:28:45 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I never went to my LBS this time to buy a bike. I'd not ridden a bike for 
 about 10 years due to my brain injury, though every now and again I'd 
 foolishly hop on my wife's Dahon folder (I have constant neurological 
 vertigo due to damage in my brain stem). One day, after going barefoot or 
 moccasined for three years (which opened up being able to walk, hike, and 
 run without sticks for the first time since 2002) I tried the folder again. 
 Success! I could ride to .2 of a mile without my brain shorting out. 
 Gadzooks! What if the bike fit me, what material would be best? How could I 
 test out my best thoughts at answers without breaking the bank?

 I connected with a bike ministry in our area and they let me try out a few 
 bikes. Steel definitely. But I was only able ride 3 miles on the China 
 Schwinn cross bike. It felt fairly swimmy. After reading a lot and 
 searching, I discovered Rivendell and Grant. We talked. He thought I was 
 nuts (not wrong) but I somehow convinced him that his bike would not be the 
 instant finishing of the job that's been started on my noggin.

 I don't track milage, but days of fun on the bike over the last 16 months 
 of having my Hunqapillar have been over 300 I'd guess. I can't (yet) run 
 errands with it much (too much stimulation in towns and shops), but it is 
 how I make it through town quickly to the trailhead to escape the regular 
 noise or run the trails. It's opened up backcountry travel for me again (I 
 can't carry weight above my waist), and I've have grand tours of the Great 
 Divide Mountain Bike Trail and the Colorado Trail and other backcountry 
 singletrack and roads. It's opened up backcountry touring with my family.

 As near as I can tell because the attention Grant pays to every design and 
 manufacturing detail, the quality, the lugs, and how they transfer the 
 energy of the bike on the earth to the rider (I use proprioception through 
 my feet and hands and rear to know where I am in space, though my brain 
 hasn't a clue) is so qualitatively different that riding this bike helps my 
 brain recover -- I just have to be doing well enough to hop on it and go 
 (not always easy to come by).

 With abandon,
 Patrick 

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:27:08 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:

 In reading the thread about bike fit, I was reminded about another 
 closely related topic: choosing a bike. 

 I was in the market  for a new bike, and after a lifetime of Target 
 bikes, a REAL bike from an LBS seemed like a lofty goal. I hit the only LBS 
 with a brand name I recognized - Trek. Though my money was as good as 
 anyone else's, I was treated like a nuisance and not a paying customer. The 
 guys in lycra with carbon drop-bar bikes were revered and respected as they 
 clicked their way through the store. I was immediately steered to their 
 basic 1.0 model of the comfort Navigator line in a remote corner of the 
 store. They quoted me a price of several hundred dollars and left me to 
 think it over. I left the shop feeling confused. I was willing to spend 
 several hundred bucks but had only been given a curt introduction to the 
 bike. I had no idea why they felt it was 'the' bike for me, and I wasn't 
 even sure I liked how the bike felt. Was it really an improvement over my 
 Target Schwinn? I hit Craigslist and found a Trek 7.6FX for sale. I bought 
 it, and it was the nicest riding bike I'd ever had. But I was left with 
 this nagging annoyance at being leaned forward with too much weight on my 
 hands. i couldn't look up at the gorgeous bike path scenery. I was also 
 very limited in my terrain, due to the skinny, high pressure tires on the 
 bike. I had to tell my boys 'no' every time they asked to take a dirt road. 
 I hit the internet, specifically a women's biking forum, who insisted that 
 flat bars were horrid and drop bars were what I needed. I kept thinking 
 (almost shamefully) that my upright bars on my old Target bike would be 
 more comfortable, but I banished the thought because one isn't taken 
 seriously when one prefers

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-03 Thread bobish

Unfortunately, most of the women I see riding in my area are just copying the 
carbon boys in equipment, style, and even bad manners. Some even seem to be 
trying to one up them (overcompensating?). When it comes to cycling, simply 
put, there's not enough dilly-dallying or lollygagging by either gender.

• Perry

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

2013-08-03 Thread Lyle Bogart

Anne, I will second what D. Patrick wrote regarding the washboard  riding
technique. My Atlantis  I have spent considerable time on the washboards
in Colorado  Arizona as well as on the cobblestones in Tacoma, Washington.
I will say that I find it much easier to find a good riding rhythm on the
washboard than I do on the cobbles. As I  others have also noted, reducing
tire pressure appropriately goes a long way to smoothing the road out.

As one more data point, when I was out there riding those trails, I was on
Schwalbe Marathon XRs, I think 45-ish wide tires. When I do ride the Divide
route, I'll probably use a nice, wide cyclocross tire with a low-profile
tread in the center and knobbies on the edges since one of the biggest
problems for me was maintaining traction  control when riding in deep-ish
ruts in soft-ish sand...

On Friday, 2 August 2013, Anne Paulson wrote:

 From what I hear, in the New Mexico portions of the trail,
 washboarding can't be avoided by picking a good line. At least, people
 riding the New Mexico section, people who were tired of day after day
 of washboard and had every incentive to avoid washboards, report they
 were unable to do so.


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Re: [RBW] Bike Choice

2013-08-03 Thread Matt Beebe

Rex, I'm dig the chronology/evolution of your bikes over the years on 
flickr.You can see where you began homing in on good fit with the 
Nishiki, then the 520 (awesome touring and camping pics!), and finally 
arrived at a perfect fit on the AHH.  Nice Schwinn Voyageur too.


On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:44:29 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote:

 I suspect that most of us have had bad experiences when we first started 
 out.

 In my university student days I used to ride a cheap department store 
 bike.  I rode it a lot of miles and did all of the maintenance myself, 
 though still didn't know much about bikes, just figuring it out as I went. 
  I remember once taking it into a small bike shop to ask for new bottom 
 bracket bearings so that I could overhaul the one piece crank.  The guy 
 working there gave me a very long lecture about how it was a piece of junk, 
 wasn't worth riding, couldn't be overhauled, and -- wait... you're planning 
 to use automotive grease in those bearings?  No, no, no!  You want this 
 super expensive lithium bike specific grease!  He didn't believe me that 
 I'd ridden it as far as 70 miles in a single day and it worked OK for me at 
 the time.  I finally overhauled it (with cheap automotive grease) and 
 continued to ride it for many years.

 I finally decided one day (once I had a real job) to get a nice bike.  It 
 was kind of a whim... just stopped in at a shop that had signs saying they 
 were having a sale.  I was looking at the cheap hybrid bikes and was 
 looking at a 22 frame model, but the guy working there kept steering me to 
 the 20 frame.  I have no idea why, especially considering I'm a hair under 
 6'4.  I took his advice (what did I know? I'd been riding 
 one-size-fits-few bikes from KMart) and bought the 20 frame.  While it was 
 a big mistake and I now know that even the 22 was too small, it did get me 
 into cyling -- big time!  I got rather excited about it!  Over the next few 
 years I bought an extra long seatpost, new handlebars with more reach, 
 etc... 

 Attempts to make it fit:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/6639222403/
 What the heck, turn it into a MTB:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/6639161251/

 A few years later I found a really nice riding but much older Peugeot road 
 bike.  It rode GREAT and fit me really well (it was a BIG ONE), but the 
 cottered crank didn't go around straight (a common problem with them).  I 
 took it to the same shop, and he basically convinced me to junk the bike. 
  Oh, how mad I am about that now!  Now I'd just stick a new french threaded 
 cartridge BB in it for $20 or so and some new/used low end cranks and have 
 it riding like a dream!

 So... without his help, I did find a much larger low end 62cm Nishiki at 
 Salvation Army for $25... I then moved all of the running gear from the 
 bike he'd sold me over to the Nishiki and rode it for a long time as my 
 primary bike!  Again, still way too small, but over time I learned about 
 Nitto Technomic stems and put in a longer seatpost, and it fit OK -- in 
 fact, I still ride it as my beater bike when I'll be leaving it locked up 
 somewhere or abusing it.  It rides like a dream and I still like it to this 
 day!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/8425223847/

 During this timeframe I discovered Rivendell and was influenced very much 
 by them and others who had similar ideas about bike fit and design and 
 discovered that it completely agreed with what I was discovering on my own, 
 yet I still wanted a go fast bike. So, I started again... new shop. 
  Everybody kept telling me you don't want a road bike, you want a mountain 
 bike!  This was during a time around the year 2000 when the road bike was 
 nearly extinct.  (hard to believe now)  Anyhow, I managed to find a shop 
 that had a few road bikes, and they put me on a Specialized Allez 
 (traditional horizontal TT geometry) w/ 60 cm frame!  Again, after years of 
 trying to make it fit, I finally realized why it would never work.  Another 
 shop that was known to specialize in fit spent a lot of time with me trying 
 to make it work before just telling me that if I ever wanted a bike that 
 fit well, I'd have to go full custom.

 ...many more bikes in between...

 I now know that I best fit on a bike with traditional geometry and a frame 
 size between 67 and 69 cm.   I can fit something smaller but I know that 
 I'm making a compromise.  For example, I recently upgraded my small for its 
 size Trek 520 by replacing the frame with a newly available 64cm Surly LHT 
 frame, which feel much bigger for any given size -- knowing that it's still 
 not perfect, but it's the biggest off the shelf bike that anybody sells.

 63 cm Trek 520 still too small:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/6638127641/

 I'm very happy with my 67 A Homer Hilsen, though still wonder sometimes if 
 I should have held out and tried to find a way to test ride a 69 before 
 making my final decision.  

 AHH fits well:

[RBW] Re: Bike Choice

I'm humbled by your words, Ian. Thank you. It's Catholic mysticism rather 
than zen -- a spirituality that delves into Christ incarnate in the clay of 
all creation.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:53:55 AM UTC-6, IanA wrote:

 I just want to say that whenever you post, Patrick, I am always excited to 
 read what you have to say.  The integrity you bring to your words and 
 experience is almost tangible for the reader.  Your words below seem to 
 integrate the personal energy of the designer and the builder into the 
 bicycle creating something utterly organic and fluid.  It is the Zen of 
 Patrick.

 As near as I can tell because the attention Grant pays to every design 
 and manufacturing detail, the quality, the lugs, and how they transfer the 
 energy of the bike on the earth to the rider (I use proprioception through 
 my feet and hands and rear to know where I am in space, though my brain 
 hasn't a clue) is so qualitatively different that riding this bike helps my 
 brain recover -- I just have to be doing well enough to hop on it and go 
 (not always easy to come by).

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:28:45 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I never went to my LBS this time to buy a bike. I'd not ridden a bike for 
 about 10 years due to my brain injury, though every now and again I'd 
 foolishly hop on my wife's Dahon folder (I have constant neurological 
 vertigo due to damage in my brain stem). One day, after going barefoot or 
 moccasined for three years (which opened up being able to walk, hike, and 
 run without sticks for the first time since 2002) I tried the folder again. 
 Success! I could ride to .2 of a mile without my brain shorting out. 
 Gadzooks! What if the bike fit me, what material would be best? How could I 
 test out my best thoughts at answers without breaking the bank?

 I connected with a bike ministry in our area and they let me try out a 
 few bikes. Steel definitely. But I was only able ride 3 miles on the China 
 Schwinn cross bike. It felt fairly swimmy. After reading a lot and 
 searching, I discovered Rivendell and Grant. We talked. He thought I was 
 nuts (not wrong) but I somehow convinced him that his bike would not be the 
 instant finishing of the job that's been started on my noggin.

 I don't track milage, but days of fun on the bike over the last 16 months 
 of having my Hunqapillar have been over 300 I'd guess. I can't (yet) run 
 errands with it much (too much stimulation in towns and shops), but it is 
 how I make it through town quickly to the trailhead to escape the regular 
 noise or run the trails. It's opened up backcountry travel for me again (I 
 can't carry weight above my waist), and I've have grand tours of the Great 
 Divide Mountain Bike Trail and the Colorado Trail and other backcountry 
 singletrack and roads. It's opened up backcountry touring with my family.

 As near as I can tell because the attention Grant pays to every design 
 and manufacturing detail, the quality, the lugs, and how they transfer the 
 energy of the bike on the earth to the rider (I use proprioception through 
 my feet and hands and rear to know where I am in space, though my brain 
 hasn't a clue) is so qualitatively different that riding this bike helps my 
 brain recover -- I just have to be doing well enough to hop on it and go 
 (not always easy to come by).

 With abandon,
 Patrick 

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:27:08 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:

 In reading the thread about bike fit, I was reminded about another 
 closely related topic: choosing a bike. 

 I was in the market  for a new bike, and after a lifetime of Target 
 bikes, a REAL bike from an LBS seemed like a lofty goal. I hit the only LBS 
 with a brand name I recognized - Trek. Though my money was as good as 
 anyone else's, I was treated like a nuisance and not a paying customer. The 
 guys in lycra with carbon drop-bar bikes were revered and respected as they 
 clicked their way through the store. I was immediately steered to their 
 basic 1.0 model of the comfort Navigator line in a remote corner of the 
 store. They quoted me a price of several hundred dollars and left me to 
 think it over. I left the shop feeling confused. I was willing to spend 
 several hundred bucks but had only been given a curt introduction to the 
 bike. I had no idea why they felt it was 'the' bike for me, and I wasn't 
 even sure I liked how the bike felt. Was it really an improvement over my 
 Target Schwinn? I hit Craigslist and found a Trek 7.6FX for sale. I bought 
 it, and it was the nicest riding bike I'd ever had. But I was left with 
 this nagging annoyance at being leaned forward with too much weight on my 
 hands. i couldn't look up at the gorgeous bike path scenery. I was also 
 very limited in my terrain, due to the skinny, high pressure tires on the 
 bike. I had to tell my boys 'no' every time they asked to take a dirt road. 
 I hit the internet, specifically a women's biking forum, who

[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

I am in awe at the response you Westcoasters get on these things. 
Beautiful! Enjoy!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:12:14 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near 
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's 
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
 date before the Labor Day weekend. 

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so 
 I need a count quick before I reserve it. 

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

2013-08-03 Thread Ron Mc

certainly an argument for power bars

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:27:44 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bitonal bit...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 Also resist the urge to stop for Mexican while doing this...save it for 
 the destination.


 Haha... reminds me of a ride I did years ago.   A friend suggested that we 
 should do a ride called Bikes and Birds at the wildlife preserve where 
 they allowed a limited number of riders to ride the back roads and some 
 cutoffs while they were closed to cars.  The appeal was that you could stop 
 a lot to watch the migratory birds.

 Anyhow, at the rest stops they served packaged prunes... yes, prunes, with 
 cherry juice based sweetener, and nothing else. They were tasty, but I 
 tried not to eat too many.  My friend, on the other hand, had quite a few.

 On the drive home (~1 hr, rural, no fast food/gas station pitstops) he 
 suddenly has to go... it's hard not to laugh as he struggles and begs me to 
 go faster.  I'm having a bit of a laugh at his expense and suddenly, about 
 10 minutes from his house, I find myself having much more empathy!  When we 
 got to his house it was a mad dash past his wife to get to the restrooms 
 while she stood by confused why we ran by so urgently!
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

Powerbars? Blech! I saw an argument for being fat adapted.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:38:21 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

 certainly an argument for power bars

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:27:44 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bitonal bit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also resist the urge to stop for Mexican while doing this...save it for 
 the destination.


 Haha... reminds me of a ride I did years ago.   A friend suggested that 
 we should do a ride called Bikes and Birds at the wildlife preserve where 
 they allowed a limited number of riders to ride the back roads and some 
 cutoffs while they were closed to cars.  The appeal was that you could stop 
 a lot to watch the migratory birds.

 Anyhow, at the rest stops they served packaged prunes... yes, prunes, 
 with cherry juice based sweetener, and nothing else. They were tasty, but I 
 tried not to eat too many.  My friend, on the other hand, had quite a few.

 On the drive home (~1 hr, rural, no fast food/gas station pitstops) he 
 suddenly has to go... it's hard not to laugh as he struggles and begs me to 
 go faster.  I'm having a bit of a laugh at his expense and suddenly, about 
 10 minutes from his house, I find myself having much more empathy!  When we 
 got to his house it was a mad dash past his wife to get to the restrooms 
 while she stood by confused why we ran by so urgently!
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

2013-08-03 Thread Ron Mc

they're easy to pack- apples are good, too, but not a lot of calories - 
we've hauled small watermelons before, which are a joy - a habit we 
developed kayaking the coastal marshes in the Texas summer.  But our last 
ride was a 2300' climb, so the power bars were well-received.  Glad I 
wasn't hauling a watermelon.  

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 8:43:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Powerbars? Blech! I saw an argument for being fat adapted.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:38:21 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

 certainly an argument for power bars

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:27:44 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bitonal bit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also resist the urge to stop for Mexican while doing this...save it for 
 the destination.


 Haha... reminds me of a ride I did years ago.   A friend suggested that 
 we should do a ride called Bikes and Birds at the wildlife preserve where 
 they allowed a limited number of riders to ride the back roads and some 
 cutoffs while they were closed to cars.  The appeal was that you could stop 
 a lot to watch the migratory birds.

 Anyhow, at the rest stops they served packaged prunes... yes, prunes, 
 with cherry juice based sweetener, and nothing else. They were tasty, but I 
 tried not to eat too many.  My friend, on the other hand, had quite a few.

 On the drive home (~1 hr, rural, no fast food/gas station pitstops) he 
 suddenly has to go... it's hard not to laugh as he struggles and begs me to 
 go faster.  I'm having a bit of a laugh at his expense and suddenly, about 
 10 minutes from his house, I find myself having much more empathy!  When we 
 got to his house it was a mad dash past his wife to get to the restrooms 
 while she stood by confused why we ran by so urgently!
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

2013-08-03 Thread Ron Mc

something else we have this time of year - fresh peaches at roadside stands

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:22:21 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 they're easy to pack- apples are good, too, but not a lot of calories - 
 we've hauled small watermelons before, which are a joy - a habit we 
 developed kayaking the coastal marshes in the Texas summer.  But our last 
 ride was a 2300' climb, so the power bars were well-received.  Glad I 
 wasn't hauling a watermelon.  


  

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[RBW] FS: Pair of almost new* Schwalbe Big Apple Liteskin tires, 700CX60, $60 + shipping.

* I bought or traded them from someone else so they may not be
chronologically new, and they may have been mounted and ridden briefly. But
they *look* new and I have not mounted them.

$60 + actual shipping. Shipping won't be more than the $15 Priority Large
flat rate box and perhaps less.

These seem to have been replaced by Schwalbe's Performance line, but the
Liteskins are foldable, not wire bead, and weigh an astonishingly light 800
grams. (No damned emoticons in this post.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

Thanks. That is the one problem, so far, with Stan's -- having to monitor
the drying. I use it in tubes, so at worst it will mean replacing a pair
every 3 months or so, but at the rate I was getting flats before Stan's,
that is considerably less than the cost in patches that I was using.

FWIW, a search for correct amount of Stan's led to a quote from a Stan's
rep who said, in effect, 2 oz for every tire. I put just 1 oz in my 30 mm
P-R, and the full 2 in 55 mm Exiwolfs.

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 I usually pump my tires every 3 to 4 days - latex tubes go down by
 definition.  It went flat a few hours after I pumped it, and it had been
 two weeks since I rode it.  Another charge of Stans, pumped it up and spun
 the wheel for awhile.  After 3 days it's holding solid.  Seems unlikely
 it's a new hole since I didn't ride the bike, so I assumed the old one
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Hugh Smitham

Thanks Deacon, though the sheer beauty in which you and your family
bike-camp is awe inspiring. I can see why you live there.

~Hugh

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 I am in awe at the response you Westcoasters get on these things.
 Beautiful! Enjoy!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:12:14 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

2013-08-03 Thread SMP

Hi Tom,

I now understand your rationale and concern.  I cannot imagine how I would 
give the crate 'break-away' functionality, so I am seriously considering 
going with the Wald medium basket instead.  Anyway, from my experience, 
things sold on the Rivendell site just seem to work with minimal fuss.  I 
should continue to keep this in the back of my mind when planning 
changes/upgrades.

That picture was from the first time riding this bike -- I was too afraid 
to lock it anywhere at that point, but if I take a bike inside to help with 
shopping, I usually ride my Brompton.

Thanks for your help.

On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 SMP

 My concern is me (or you) falling on a corner of the crate.  I think a 
 Wald would crumple a bit.  I don't think think this is a huge concern, just 
 a moderate concern.  Perhaps if the crate could be attached to be stable 
 for most circumstances but break away on a severe impact it would be OK.

 I like your picture.  Gotta love a store that allows your bike inside to 
 help shop.  A nice reason to have a crate or a basket.

 Tom

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29:21 AM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Tom--first, thanks for the compliments.  My bike is blushing :). Second, 
 regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to crashing...  Do you 
 mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood would fly 
 everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would just 
 bend out of shape, at worst?  Hmm.. I think I may understand where you are 
 coming from.

 I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously,
  
 but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking.  I 
 would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a 
 Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it 
 off the handlebar if at all possible.

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 You ask if this is a terrible idea.  Your bike is drop dead gorgeous.  I 
 also think the crates are wonderfully crafted.  But I think the crates are 
 substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, not the Autumn, but 
 it is angular).  They are quite elegant.  I don't want to crash with one of 
 those on my bike.  I have my troubles and crashes are a matter of when, not 
 if for me.  I don't want such a rigid structure in that scenario.  I do 
 think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is carrying stuff.  And, 
 they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them.

 Hope this is helpful.

 Best Regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Hello Bunch,

 I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the 
 autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate 
 by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

 Here is a photo of my Riv 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not
  
 very recent).  Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires 
 (this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

 My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you 
 recommend?  Click here for color 
 optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. 
  I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver.  If I do Natural, 
 though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle 
 and amber shellacked cork grips.  (Silly question - Can I use shellac on 
 wood or only varnish?)

 My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy 
 off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? 
  Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution?  I want to have 
 the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but 
 from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free.

 My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

 Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread dougP

I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.  

dougP

On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart 
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work 
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to 
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and 
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am 
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up 
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or 
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the 
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a 
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment 
 so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

The medium basket is quite useful, especially on a stable platform:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9411592963/in/photostream/


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:11 AM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 I now understand your rationale and concern.  I cannot imagine how I would
 give the crate 'break-away' functionality, so I am seriously considering
 going with the Wald medium basket instead.  Anyway, from my experience,
 things sold on the Rivendell site just seem to work with minimal fuss.  I
 should continue to keep this in the back of my mind when planning
 changes/upgrades.

 That picture was from the first time riding this bike -- I was too afraid
 to lock it anywhere at that point, but if I take a bike inside to help with
 shopping, I usually ride my Brompton.

 Thanks for your help.

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 SMP

 My concern is me (or you) falling on a corner of the crate.  I think a
 Wald would crumple a bit.  I don't think think this is a huge concern, just
 a moderate concern.  Perhaps if the crate could be attached to be stable
 for most circumstances but break away on a severe impact it would be OK.

 I like your picture.  Gotta love a store that allows your bike inside to
 help shop.  A nice reason to have a crate or a basket.

 Tom

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29:21 AM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Tom--first, thanks for the compliments.  My bike is blushing :). Second,
 regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to crashing...  Do you
 mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood would fly
 everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would just
 bend out of shape, at worst?  Hmm.. I think I may understand where you are
 coming from.

 I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously,
 but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking.  I
 would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a
 Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it
 off the handlebar if at all possible.

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 You ask if this is a terrible idea.  Your bike is drop dead gorgeous.
  I also think the crates are wonderfully crafted.  But I think the crates
 are substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, not the Autumn,
 but it is angular).  They are quite elegant.  I don't want to crash with
 one of those on my bike.  I have my troubles and crashes are a matter of
 when, not if for me.  I don't want such a rigid structure in that scenario.
  I do think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is carrying stuff.
  And, they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them.

 Hope this is helpful.

 Best Regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Hello Bunch,

 I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the
 autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate
 by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

 Here is a photo of my Riv
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not
 very recent).  Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires
 (this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

 My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would
 you recommend?  Click here for color 
 optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/.
  I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver.  If I do Natural,
 though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle
 and amber shellacked cork grips.  (Silly question - Can I use shellac on
 wood or only varnish?)

 My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy
 off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack?
  Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution?  I want to have
 the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but
 from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free.

 My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

 Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

Also: I hope that the box contains the statutory Pale Ale?

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's a pretty impressive front load; 15 lbs? 20 lbs? Doesn't that amount
 make the bike hard to handle in traffic, given Rivendell's signature
 medium-to-high-trail geometry?


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 The medium basket is quite useful, especially on a stable platform:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9411592963/in/photostream/


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:11 AM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 I now understand your rationale and concern.  I cannot imagine how I
 would give the crate 'break-away' functionality, so I am seriously
 considering going with the Wald medium basket instead.  Anyway, from my
 experience, things sold on the Rivendell site just seem to work with
 minimal fuss.  I should continue to keep this in the back of my mind when
 planning changes/upgrades.

 That picture was from the first time riding this bike -- I was too
 afraid to lock it anywhere at that point, but if I take a bike inside to
 help with shopping, I usually ride my Brompton.

 Thanks for your help.

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 SMP

 My concern is me (or you) falling on a corner of the crate.  I think a
 Wald would crumple a bit.  I don't think think this is a huge concern, just
 a moderate concern.  Perhaps if the crate could be attached to be stable
 for most circumstances but break away on a severe impact it would be OK.

 I like your picture.  Gotta love a store that allows your bike inside
 to help shop.  A nice reason to have a crate or a basket.

 Tom

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29:21 AM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Tom--first, thanks for the compliments.  My bike is blushing :).
 Second, regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to crashing...
  Do you mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood 
 would
 fly everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would
 just bend out of shape, at worst?  Hmm.. I think I may understand where 
 you
 are coming from.

 I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously,
 but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking.  I
 would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a
 Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it
 off the handlebar if at all possible.

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 You ask if this is a terrible idea.  Your bike is drop dead gorgeous.
  I also think the crates are wonderfully crafted.  But I think the crates
 are substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, not the 
 Autumn,
 but it is angular).  They are quite elegant.  I don't want to crash with
 one of those on my bike.  I have my troubles and crashes are a matter of
 when, not if for me.  I don't want such a rigid structure in that 
 scenario.
  I do think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is carrying stuff.
  And, they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them.

 Hope this is helpful.

 Best Regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Hello Bunch,

 I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is
 the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front
 basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

 Here is a photo of my Riv
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not
 very recent).  Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream 
 tires
 (this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

 My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would
 you recommend?  Click here for color 
 optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/.
  I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver.  If I do Natural,
 though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle
 and amber shellacked cork grips.  (Silly question - Can I use shellac on
 wood or only varnish?)

 My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy
 off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack?
  Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution?  I want to 
 have
 the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, 
 but
 from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free.

 My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

 Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

That's a pretty impressive front load; 15 lbs? 20 lbs? Doesn't that amount
make the bike hard to handle in traffic, given Rivendell's signature
medium-to-high-trail geometry?

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 The medium basket is quite useful, especially on a stable platform:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9411592963/in/photostream/


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:11 AM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 I now understand your rationale and concern.  I cannot imagine how I
 would give the crate 'break-away' functionality, so I am seriously
 considering going with the Wald medium basket instead.  Anyway, from my
 experience, things sold on the Rivendell site just seem to work with
 minimal fuss.  I should continue to keep this in the back of my mind when
 planning changes/upgrades.

 That picture was from the first time riding this bike -- I was too afraid
 to lock it anywhere at that point, but if I take a bike inside to help with
 shopping, I usually ride my Brompton.

 Thanks for your help.

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 SMP

 My concern is me (or you) falling on a corner of the crate.  I think a
 Wald would crumple a bit.  I don't think think this is a huge concern, just
 a moderate concern.  Perhaps if the crate could be attached to be stable
 for most circumstances but break away on a severe impact it would be OK.

 I like your picture.  Gotta love a store that allows your bike inside to
 help shop.  A nice reason to have a crate or a basket.

 Tom

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29:21 AM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Tom--first, thanks for the compliments.  My bike is blushing :).
 Second, regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to crashing...
  Do you mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood would
 fly everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would
 just bend out of shape, at worst?  Hmm.. I think I may understand where you
 are coming from.

 I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously,
 but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking.  I
 would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a
 Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it
 off the handlebar if at all possible.

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 You ask if this is a terrible idea.  Your bike is drop dead gorgeous.
  I also think the crates are wonderfully crafted.  But I think the crates
 are substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, not the 
 Autumn,
 but it is angular).  They are quite elegant.  I don't want to crash with
 one of those on my bike.  I have my troubles and crashes are a matter of
 when, not if for me.  I don't want such a rigid structure in that 
 scenario.
  I do think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is carrying stuff.
  And, they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them.

 Hope this is helpful.

 Best Regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Hello Bunch,

 I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the
 autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate
 by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

 Here is a photo of my Riv
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not
 very recent).  Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires
 (this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

 My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would
 you recommend?  Click here for color 
 optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/.
  I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver.  If I do Natural,
 though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle
 and amber shellacked cork grips.  (Silly question - Can I use shellac on
 wood or only varnish?)

 My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy
 off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack?
  Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution?  I want to have
 the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but
 from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free.

 My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

 Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

*One* more: the reason for asking about the handling is that I tried large
Wald baskets a few years ago, not on Rivendells but on old Schwinns, and
with any load more than a few lbs, the handling became very dicey -- and I
was riding only 1/2 mile rt, though among cars. I gave up baskets because
of that experience.

Now, however, I am building up a weird and rather forlorn grocery bike from
a cheap, '80s Italian-made 20 wheel folder which I am stripping and making
fixed gear (!!). It has a sturdy, built-on rear rack to which I plan to
strap a milk crate, but a (suitably modified and supported) Wald in front
would be even better. But the wheel flop ???

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also: I hope that the box contains the statutory Pale Ale?


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 That's a pretty impressive front load; 15 lbs? 20 lbs? Doesn't that
 amount make the bike hard to handle in traffic, given Rivendell's signature
 medium-to-high-trail geometry?


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 The medium basket is quite useful, especially on a stable platform:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9411592963/in/photostream/


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:11 AM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 I now understand your rationale and concern.  I cannot imagine how I
 would give the crate 'break-away' functionality, so I am seriously
 considering going with the Wald medium basket instead.  Anyway, from my
 experience, things sold on the Rivendell site just seem to work with
 minimal fuss.  I should continue to keep this in the back of my mind when
 planning changes/upgrades.

 That picture was from the first time riding this bike -- I was too
 afraid to lock it anywhere at that point, but if I take a bike inside to
 help with shopping, I usually ride my Brompton.

 Thanks for your help.

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 SMP

 My concern is me (or you) falling on a corner of the crate.  I think a
 Wald would crumple a bit.  I don't think think this is a huge concern, 
 just
 a moderate concern.  Perhaps if the crate could be attached to be stable
 for most circumstances but break away on a severe impact it would be OK.

 I like your picture.  Gotta love a store that allows your bike inside
 to help shop.  A nice reason to have a crate or a basket.

 Tom

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29:21 AM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Tom--first, thanks for the compliments.  My bike is blushing :).
 Second, regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to 
 crashing...
  Do you mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood 
 would
 fly everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would
 just bend out of shape, at worst?  Hmm.. I think I may understand where 
 you
 are coming from.

 I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously,
 but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking.  I
 would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a
 Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it
 off the handlebar if at all possible.

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 You ask if this is a terrible idea.  Your bike is drop dead
 gorgeous.  I also think the crates are wonderfully crafted.  But I think
 the crates are substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, 
 not
 the Autumn, but it is angular).  They are quite elegant.  I don't want 
 to
 crash with one of those on my bike.  I have my troubles and crashes are 
 a
 matter of when, not if for me.  I don't want such a rigid structure in 
 that
 scenario.  I do think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is 
 carrying
 stuff.  And, they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them.

 Hope this is helpful.

 Best Regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Hello Bunch,

 I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is
 the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front
 basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

 Here is a photo of my Riv
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not
 very recent).  Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream 
 tires
 (this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

 My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would
 you recommend?  Click here for color 
 optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/.
  I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver.  If I do Natural,
 though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey 
 saddle
 and amber shellacked cork grips.  (Silly question - Can I use shellac 
 on
 wood or only varnish?)

 My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an
 easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-03 Thread Tom Virgil

You and your family look great.  I loved your story that kicked this off 
and you seem to have hit a heartstring among our folks that ride the bikes 
we do and their bike shop experiences.  My daughter got into this thing 
with a Ruby and burned out after about three years.  She has been eying my 
Samuel Hillborne and wondering What's going on with dad riding a bike with 
a basket and a canvas shopping bag?.

I have the proverbial carbon fiber road bike (Roubaix) and way over 
engineered 29er (Epic).  I ride them and like them.  But the Sam broke 
through a boundary and made me ride a lot more.  Long rides and short 
rides.  A spin around the neighborhood in flip flops.  A long reach and 
stopping to fix something to eat and reading a book.  It's all good.  Going 
to the Wholefoods store and taking Sam into the store with me to do my 
shopping, depositing things into his basket and bag, and checking out is 
just cool.

Coastal San Diego is pretty saturated with high end bike shops.  Trek 
Superstore, BL, Nytro, Revolution, HiTech.  They are all quite optimized 
for triathlon bikes and cater to the tris.  I am in good shape and have 
some great bikes, but I get ignored for being somewhat older and not 
splurging on things like an aerodynamic seatpost.  I will set aside Pacific 
Cycles and my dear friend, Chuck Hoefer, who I have known since he emerged 
from the North county Masi operation and started a bike shop.   He built my 
first Salsa and I still have it and ride that bike today.  He is in 
Oceanside and I can't always get up there.

Now would you believe the best goto folks for getting things done nearby 
is the Performance Bicycle Shop in Sorrento Valley.   They have their own 
brands but they sell a lot of other stuff at good prices.  I have spent a 
lifetime accumulating various Park tools for maintenance.  It has been good 
to learn how to use them.  But, if there is something I can't handle, or 
the cost of the next tool is more than the maintenance, I go to them.  They 
are very good.  Never condescending.  And they can usually do things in the 
moment rather than tag your bike and get it back to you at some time later. 
 They have been very respectful of my eclectic collection of bikes. despite 
the fact they did not sell them to me.

Best regards,

Tom







On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:30:57 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

 Really? That's horrid! Maybe that was our problem! Attached is a photo of 
 my two sisters and me, and my two sons. I'm in white, my sister (with the 
 Schwinn) is in yellow. Maybe we aren't much to look at, but Lincoln is the 
 most darling baby ever!

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:17:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 08/01/2013 02:07 PM, LeahFoy wrote: 
  I wheeled the little 16 in Trek Jet to the counter and waited. There 
  was one other customer in the whole store and 3-4 employees working. I 
  stood at that counter for almost 20 minutes. They joked with each 
  other, and paid attention to the lycra-clad male customer in the 
  store, but they ignored me, my 4 year old Lincoln and our little bike. 
  I could have called someone over, but since I was standing in plain 
  sight and knew they had seen me, I didn't. Finally, I slowly wheeled 
  the little bike back and left the store. No one said a word to me. I 
  drove straight to the Specialized store, where they greeted us warmly, 
  and purchased the Lincoln's Hotrock for more money. 


 Sometimes shops like that are snobby about the bikes; sometimes they're 
 snobby about the looks of the customers.  There used to be this boutique 
 shop near where I live that would ignore anyone in the queue that wasn't 
 either a hot looking young woman or a buff young man.  You could be 
 there with $12,000 worth of bikes, but if you were middle aged and a bit 
 on the pudgy side they would look right through you and never wait on 
 you.   They're gone now, but not on account of their attitude; the owner 
 learned one day he had cancer, and died the following day, with no 
 succession plan in place.  I couldn't help but thinking Good riddance! 
 when I learned of it. 




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[RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

2013-08-03 Thread Michael



 I have upped my commute milage a smidge so far. Just a few miles a day.

 

  

Did a 25 mile ride last weekend. Fun ride. No problems.
Todays round trip commute hopefully will be 32 miles. It was 16miles to 
work this morning. But I might push for 20 on the way home, making it 36 
round trip.
 
I wonder if that counts as a long ride for this weekend or not.
I am sure that a 36 mile ride all at once is a lot different than being a 
split round trip commute. 

  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

2013-08-03 Thread Steve Palincsar


On 08/03/2013 12:54 PM, Michael wrote:

I wonder if that counts as a long ride for this weekend or not.


For century training purposes, it does not.

I am sure that a 36 mile ride all at once is a lot different than 
being a split round trip commute.




A split round trip commute would count as two 18 mile rides.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

2013-08-03 Thread SMP

I had a similar experience on my Riv:
http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0092009/photos/sumehra/5629443174/

Fully loaded with groceries... Dicey doesn't even begin to describe the 
handling.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread cyclotourist

Okay, I'll have to get off work a bit early, but think I can pull it
off! Worst case scenario is I meet you in San Clemente.

On 8/3/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will
 work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it
 to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and

 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist
 cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice
  of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could
  either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we
  can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 
 so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
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[RBW] Re: Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.

Patrick,

Really good article thanks for sharing this, I echo what Ron said, this 
information needs to get out to the general public.

I used to think as cyclists we needed to keep right and not impede traffic, 
effectively appeasing automobile drivers and creating goodwill for 
cyclists...I rode with a fellow who would take the lane which I considered 
rude behavior and propagated the image of the selfish cyclist, so I asked 
him why he took the whole lane? He essentially said because it's the law 
and it's safer! I let that process and became more observant of motorists 
driving habits while riding my bike and noticed that the margin for error 
as the article points out between motor vehicle and cyclist is 
uncomfortably narrow.

 I often ride up a street here in Sunland which has bike lanes, the street 
has four lanes two in each direction and a speed limit of 45 MPH and cars 
and trucks exceeding 50, 60 MPH! What I noticed was that when I rode to the 
right that auto's and trucks despite have a clear lane to they're left 
would still come extremely close (it seems intentionally close) without 
reducing speed. Then I read Grants passage in Just Ride about the safety 
swerve...I have since implemented the swerve and taken the lane sending a 
clear message to approaching motorists to give me a safe buffer, it helps 
that I ride with a rear view mirror. Just yesterday I rode the same street 
with my wife a novice cyclist and she thought I was being rude...I 
explained to her my logic and the misconception by the general public about 
the laws of the rode and cyclists. I am also aware that despite my 
understanding of the laws and safety there will remain motorists who will 
undoubtedly find my swerving lane taking as an imposition (generally 
yelling from their windows) on their dominance/divine right to the road 
ways for which I am prepared as well as I can be. 

As others have mentioned at intersections I no longer stay right as Anne 
mentioned the right hook is always present. Safe riding to each and all.

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

2013-08-03 Thread Robert Harrison

I see you are using a Wald with the strut attachments. I've never much cared 
for that arrangement as the basket does seem to move side to side a bit. I 
always attach my baskets directly to a front rack - usually the Nitto 
mini-front and in the past (and future I'm sure) on the now discontinued 
platrack attachment. That brings the basket down a bit from where I see yours 
in the photo and, as the base is steady, keeps the basket from swaying. I've 
never had any particular handling problems that way, though it does handle 
differently than an unloaded or very lightly loaded front. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/8111374065/in/set-72157631824788937

I have had front baskets set up the way yours is and yes, that's dicey. :-(

Aloha,

Bob



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 I had a similar experience on my Riv:
 http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0092009/photos/sumehra/5629443174/
 
 Fully loaded with groceries... Dicey doesn't even begin to describe the 
 handling.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

Agreed. So this is what I have:

9 riders total
4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David Estes, 
Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to meet 
in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting, Mitch 
has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that his 
ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking with 
35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single 
track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us 
some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is 
so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we 
want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you 
stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I 
need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in 
Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

Best,

~Hugh

  

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.  

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart 
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work 
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to 
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and 
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am 
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up 
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice 
 of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could 
 either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or 
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the 
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we 
 can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a 
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this 
 moment so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

32 miles is long for me, too, but I tend to ride (a) fixed and (2)
energetically (though this is entirely relative to my ability, which is not
great). A 34 mile gravel ride two weeks ago (Fargo, geared) felt good
except for twinges in my left knee, but did leave me tired for two days
afterward -- although this was 17 miles of climbing, and return, on very
rough and sometimes quite steep gravel roads, and trying to keep up with a
fitter rider on a much lighter bike -- ie, I wasn't taking it easy.

I'd say that if 25 miles is a new distance for you, sure it counts, but
it's only a first step. I used regularly to commute 16 miles each way and
often would extend the commute up to 40 miles rt, and I can tell you I was
in far better shape than I am now. 10 years ago (aetatis mea tunc XLVIII)
it left me fit enough to do a 3h17m Sunday, hilly, windy, 50 miler in a 75
gear and, on Monday, do a hilly 30+ miler with a local racing babe on the
same 75 gear, she on her racer -- she taking a recovery ride, me going
strong. (Well, matron may be a better term than babe. Still, a carbon
fiber woman who was in the sub 3 hour group on the Sunday ride.)

Hasn't new research shown that shorter, more strenuous efforts get you fit
better than long, medium intensity slogs? Of course, simple time in the
saddle counts, too, for comfort reasons.

Oh, and I've heard experts say that each fixed mile counts as five
freewheel miles, ceteris paribus. (And if you believe that, you need
emoticons.)

I wish there was a century around here that didn't involve getting up at 5
am for a 60 mile drive. I must start riding longer distances on the Ram,
whose purpose in (my) life is longer distances as well as groceries.

Patrick Auditis? An me ludit amabilis insania? Moore

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have upped my commute milage a smidge so far. Just a few miles a day.





 Did a 25 mile ride last weekend. Fun ride. No problems.
 Todays round trip commute hopefully will be 32 miles. It was 16miles to
 work this morning. But I might push for 20 on the way home, making it 36
 round trip.

 I wonder if that counts as a long ride for this weekend or not.
 I am sure that a 36 mile ride all at once is a lot different than being a
 split round trip commute.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

Robert: that is interesting: a stable platform makes a front basket much
less likely to affect handling? All my Newsboy and slightly smaller
experiments were without racks, just using the basket struts.

I'm curious since, IMO, a big, front-mounted container is the easiest way
to deal with things like groceries. But before I splurge on a Newsboy
again, I want to be sure that I'm right.

How much weight at most can you carry in your rack-supported basket without
feeling endangered in tight auto traffic? (That is the particular condition
I am interested in learning about: the sort of traffic that you get at and
near busy strip malls.) I carry up to 45 lb of groceries at one go.

Thanks.

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 I see you are using a Wald with the strut attachments. I've never much
 cared for that arrangement as the basket does seem to move side to side a
 bit. I always attach my baskets directly to a front rack - usually the
 Nitto mini-front and in the past (and future I'm sure) on the now
 discontinued platrack attachment. That brings the basket down a bit from
 where I see yours in the photo and, as the base is steady, keeps the basket
 from swaying. I've never had any particular handling problems that way,
 though it does handle differently than an unloaded or very lightly loaded
 front.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/8111374065/in/set-72157631824788937

 I have had front baskets set up the way yours is and yes, that's dicey. :-(

 Aloha,

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 On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:21 AM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote:

  I had a similar experience on my Riv:
  http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0092009/photos/sumehra/5629443174/
 
  Fully loaded with groceries... Dicey doesn't even begin to describe
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[RBW] FS: 22 Bridgestone MB-1 Frame and Fork

2013-08-03 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn

I picked this up off eBay to build up as a commuter/cruiser but then found 
something better so I want to pass it along to a list member. 

If someone here could please crosspost this to the iBob list I would 
appreciate it.

The frame has been powder coated and then never built up, no headset or 
bottom bracket has been installed.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread cyclotourist

The restaurant on the pier is a little ways away from camp (as opposed
to Adele's), but is a great place to eat and quite reasonable for
breakfast. Lots of options!

On 8/3/13, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David Estes,
 Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to meet
 in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting, Mitch
 has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that his
 ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking with
 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we

 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you

 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I
 need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in

 Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will
 work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it
 to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and

 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


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 wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can
  find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice
 
 of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could
 either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we
 can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this
 moment so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread cyclotourist

No Tools has minimal overall elevation gain. Lots of little rollers
over/around/through the different gullies coming down from the hills.
Rideable with any sort of tire or bike, just depends on how fast you
want to go. I'd say at most 2 hrs out and back. Don't know the
distance, I Just Ride it. :-) It's a very nice intro to singletrack
for anyone not used to technical rides (I take my 11 y.o. on it, he
can ride it all) and a smile-inducing ride for the pros who just want
to be out and about a mile from the ocean.

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 David can you give us some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars

I know there has to be one of these around here somewhere. :)

On Monday, June 24, 2013 10:57:18 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:

 I am looking for a set of Soba Handlebars.  I am not sure what actual 
 sizes they came in but I am looking for 42 or 44.  Anyone?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Mike Schiller

maybe I should throw on the big knobbies just in case?

What route were you planning on from Tustin?  I'm thinking I would train up 
Friday if I go.The 1st afternoon Metrolink from Oceanside arrives in Tustin 
at 356pm so that would work.

I would ride home to Carlsbad on Saturday.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Mike Schiller

or Irvine at 349pm if that's better.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Hugh Smitham

Mike,

The earlier I would think the better.
David, thanks for the extra info on the single track. I'm sold especially
when you attached smiles, but I'm an easy sell:-)
 On Aug 3, 2013 1:09 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

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[RBW] FS: Shimano DH 3N72 Dynohub, 32 hole, silver, DISK VERSION, centerlock, WITH ADAPTOR.

No more than 1,000 miles on it, all in dry weather and on pavement -- this
one from the Fargo's road wheelset.

I had the hub bearings lubed and adjusted before the wheelbuild to prevent
overtight and dry bearings from wearing it out prematurely, as scuttlebutt
at the time (~2 years ago) had them doing for those reasons.

$75 shipped CONUS ** with 6 bolt adaptor**.

Will accept BLACK or SILVER 32 hole 6-bolt disk front hub in part trade.

For that matter, trades considered: could use: good LED dynamo headlight;
good floor pump; LIGHT (sub 600 gram) 50 mm or wider 700C tires for gravel
and dryish dirt; dyno headlamps and tail lamps; original edition Flite
saddles; love, fame, wealth, and longevity.

With the advent of the Ram, which will get the PV8 dynohub, the Fargo will
be reduced to off road use and, in the event of touring duties, will be
clad with a nice Sanyo bb dynamo.

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Re: [RBW] FS: 22 Bridgestone MB-1 Frame and Fork

Done!

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Rambouilleting Utahn glam...@gmail.comwrote:

 I picked this up off eBay to build up as a commuter/cruiser but then found
 something better so I want to pass it along to a list member.

 If someone here could please crosspost this to the iBob list I would
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 The frame has been powder coated and then never built up, no headset or
 bottom bracket has been installed.

 Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96746370@N04/

 $250 shipped CONUS

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[RBW] OT help posting from iphone

Hello group,

The only way that I have ever been able to post to this group is through 
the the google groups home page.  Is there a confirmed way to set things up 
which allows posting through gmail - through the Iphone mail app?  

I can read posts just fine and send emails just fine but when I try to post 
through email to this group it doesn't show up.  Is there something I have 
to account for with the setup.  I am happy to take this post offline OR on 
the group depending on how others feel about clogging the feed. 

Thanks
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[RBW] why asymetric?

I was giving my commuter bike CBO a quick check over and noticed that the 
crankset sits asymetric to the frame.  It has never bothered me but my 
question is - aside from cranks that are made offset so an asymetrical BB 
actually aligns them symetrically - what is the purpose of asymetrical 
BBs?  I imagine the argument that it allows the chainrings to clear the 
chainstay, or chainline to be zeroed in and usually people dont notice 
could be made.  I have a hard time imagining a design that intends 
someone's legs to pedal like that for long periods of time.  Does anyone 
know an historic or design origin for the asym bb?  

Jason
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Re: [RBW] OT help posting from iphone

On my iPhone 3 something, you go to Settings, mail (etc), to add account.
That takes you to a menu where Gmail, Yahoo, etc, and Other are offered.
Add name, email address, and password and Bobs yer uncle. I've got five
Gmail accounts working with the iPhone.

Patrick if I can figure it out ... Moore

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 The only way that I have ever been able to post to this group is through
 the the google groups home page.  Is there a confirmed way to set things up
 which allows posting through gmail - through the Iphone mail app?

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 post through email to this group it doesn't show up.  Is there something I
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 OR on the group depending on how others feel about clogging the feed.

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Re: [RBW] why asymetric?

AFAIK, the reason is to get as small a Q as possible while allowing
sufficient clearance for the stays and proper chainline. I think this was
particularly popular in the old days for triples -- the right stuck out
further to accommodate proper chain line. I could lose ~5 mm on my XD2 if I
could get an assym 108 to replace the present 113 on the Fargo. (Q with the
113 is an acceptable, to me, 160.)


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 I was giving my commuter bike CBO a quick check over and noticed that the
 crankset sits asymetric to the frame.  It has never bothered me but my
 question is - aside from cranks that are made offset so an asymetrical BB
 actually aligns them symetrically - what is the purpose of asymetrical
 BBs?  I imagine the argument that it allows the chainrings to clear the
 chainstay, or chainline to be zeroed in and usually people dont notice
 could be made.  I have a hard time imagining a design that intends
 someone's legs to pedal like that for long periods of time.  Does anyone
 know an historic or design origin for the asym bb?

 Jason
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

2013-08-03 Thread Robert Harrison

It's my experience that a stable front platform beats basket struts hands down. 
I've no empirical proof of that, just my own experience. :-) 

I generally ride with 7-15 pounds up front without trouble on a regular basis. 
I'd be okay up to 20 lbs in a pinch but at that point would definitely add rear 
panniers and redistribute things. If I'm doing a shopping trip (or camping 
trip) that's definitely what I'd do. I tend to do a lot of smaller shopping 
trips (living in Hawaii I'm never far from a store). I wouldn't try 45lbs on 
that particular setup. Besides with that much weight a shift in position could 
probably break the zip ties I use to secure my basket to the rack.

When I used the platrack under the basket things were a lot more stable than 
with just the mini-front, but even that's an improvement over basket struts. I 
just find the 'sway' using basket struts way too disconcerting. The handling 
with a  firm mount is definitely much better and more stable. I never seem to 
have trouble while underway, just when stopped and forget I've got a load. :-)

I ride in Honolulu in traffic regularly so my experience is definitely in 
'light auto traffic.' Actually coming home it's often heavy auto traffic but at 
that point I'm faster. :-)

The mini-front is only rated to 4.4 lbs according to Riv so I definitely 
overload it, but have never had an problems. 

Keeping the load stable in the basket is also important. Having things moving 
around is generally not good. I use a net to keep things in place, tightening 
it down as necessary.  

If I had 45 lbs to haul I'd try for 15/15 in the rear in panniers and 10 up 
front. 


Robert Harrison
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 Robert: that is interesting: a stable platform makes a front basket much less 
 likely to affect handling? All my Newsboy and slightly smaller experiments 
 were without racks, just using the basket struts.
 
 I'm curious since, IMO, a big, front-mounted container is the easiest way to 
 deal with things like groceries. But before I splurge on a Newsboy again, I 
 want to be sure that I'm right. 
 
 How much weight at most can you carry in your rack-supported basket without 
 feeling endangered in tight auto traffic? (That is the particular condition I 
 am interested in learning about: the sort of traffic that you get at and near 
 busy strip malls.) I carry up to 45 lb of groceries at one go.
 
 Thanks.
 
 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
 I see you are using a Wald with the strut attachments. I've never much cared 
 for that arrangement as the basket does seem to move side to side a bit. I 
 always attach my baskets directly to a front rack - usually the Nitto 
 mini-front and in the past (and future I'm sure) on the now discontinued 
 platrack attachment. That brings the basket down a bit from where I see yours 
 in the photo and, as the base is steady, keeps the basket from swaying. I've 
 never had any particular handling problems that way, though it does handle 
 differently than an unloaded or very lightly loaded front.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/8111374065/in/set-72157631824788937
 
 I have had front baskets set up the way yours is and yes, that's dicey. :-(
 
 Aloha,
 
 Bob
 
 
 
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 On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:21 AM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I had a similar experience on my Riv:
  http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0092009/photos/sumehra/5629443174/
 
  Fully loaded with groceries... Dicey doesn't even begin to describe the 
  handling.
 
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[RBW] Re: OT help posting from iphone

Just make sure the email address you are sending from is the address under 
which you are registered to the group. Then you can send email to the group 
from any device you want.

With abandon,
Patrick

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 Hello group,

 The only way that I have ever been able to post to this group is through 
 the the google groups home page.  Is there a confirmed way to set things up 
 which allows posting through gmail - through the Iphone mail app?  

 I can read posts just fine and send emails just fine but when I try to 
 post through email to this group it doesn't show up.  Is there something I 
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[RBW] Re: OT help posting from iphone

And if the Patrick Tag Team Support doesn't help, ain't nuttin' gonna 
help! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: why asymetric?

I'm no help, but a smart aleck. Asymetric should be a palindrome just for 
the wondrous irony. Asymemysa.

With abandon,
Patrick

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 I was giving my commuter bike CBO a quick check over and noticed that the 
 crankset sits asymetric to the frame.  It has never bothered me but my 
 question is - aside from cranks that are made offset so an asymetrical BB 
 actually aligns them symetrically - what is the purpose of asymetrical 
 BBs?  I imagine the argument that it allows the chainrings to clear the 
 chainstay, or chainline to be zeroed in and usually people dont notice 
 could be made.  I have a hard time imagining a design that intends 
 someone's legs to pedal like that for long periods of time.  Does anyone 
 know an historic or design origin for the asym bb?  

 Jason
 SF,CA


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[RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

2013-08-03 Thread Michael



 So I did 25 miles home from work. Rained the whole way, but good training 
 for rain riding.

 
Alba Sam. Bolt upright. Fun. Slow for safety. Had to be patient. Had a 
great time.
 
I hope to go for a 35 mile ride next weekend, increasing every week up to 
62 or 75 before the century, if the Lord is willing.
 
Thanks for all the info and advice everyone. I really appreciate it. Keep 
it coming.
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

2013-08-03 Thread blakcloud

My wife on her Betty uses a Mark's mini with a medium Wald basket and it works 
fine for the light loads she rides with. I on the other hand have the same 
basket but attached to a Gomah porteur rack. This works extremely well for me 
and I can carry quite a bit. My bike is not a Riv so handling might be 
different for those on Riv's, but barely noticeable until it hits 15 pounds and 
more. With the weight I carry I can ride no hands with no ill effect on the 
steering.

To the OP, I saw your photos with the Wald but as someone else already said, 
having the weight lower would help tremendously. As much as I like the crates, 
I would be concerned with total weight of the bike.  I would definitely go with 
a front rack and then attaching whatever you want.

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Re: [RBW] OT help posting from iphone

Thanks for the assistance Patrick(s).  I have email access via phone.  It 
just happens that I If i send an email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
from either Gmail's webmail interface or my phone the post does not appear, 
nor can I reply to the group from my phone or browser.  Same 
address/password/etc.  

There is a missing link in the communication chain where messages sent to 
that address above get lost.  Anyone have had and then solved this issue?

Thanks 
Jason 
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[RBW] TEST WEBMAIL

2013-08-03 Thread J L

This is just a test to help me troubleshoot access to this group - sent via
browser based gmail.

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[RBW] Test phone app

This is just a test to help me troubleshoot access to the group - sent via 
iphone app

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[RBW] Re: OT help posting from iphone

I just sent out two emails.  One from my computer browser and another from 
my phone app.  My next step is to wait and see if they show up as threads 
in the group.  

... nothing yet.  Google Groups interface posts instantly.

Jason,
SF,CA

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Re: [RBW] why asymetric?

So the theory is that low q is ranked higher than having one's legs/feet/ankles 
rotating in different circles?  That doesn't sit right with me but i am 
probably over thinking it.  Rivendell's advocacy of pedaling free would address 
this issue but I don't care for it. It doesn't bother me on my commute bike 
with toe clips but on other bikes with spd style clips i worry it would cause 
issues.  I don't know enough about annatomy and leg mechanics to confirm that 
however. 

This was also sent as a reply to group via phone test. Patrick Moore if you 
get this twice then it has started working.

Jason

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 AFAIK, the reason is to get as small a Q as possible while allowing 
 sufficient clearance for the stays and proper chainline. I think this was 
 particularly popular in the old days for triples -- the right stuck out 
 further to accommodate proper chain line. I could lose ~5 mm on my XD2 if I 
 could get an assym 108 to replace the present 113 on the Fargo. (Q with the 
 113 is an acceptable, to me, 160.)
 
 
 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:12 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was giving my commuter bike CBO a quick check over and noticed that the 
 crankset sits asymetric to the frame.  It has never bothered me but my 
 question is - aside from cranks that are made offset so an asymetrical BB 
 actually aligns them symetrically - what is the purpose of asymetrical BBs?  
 I imagine the argument that it allows the chainrings to clear the chainstay, 
 or chainline to be zeroed in and usually people dont notice could be made.  
 I have a hard time imagining a design that intends someone's legs to pedal 
 like that for long periods of time.  Does anyone know an historic or design 
 origin for the asym bb?  
 
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[RBW] Re: OT help posting from iphone

I see both, Jason.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:58:30 PM UTC-6, JL wrote:

 I just sent out two emails.  One from my computer browser and another from 
 my phone app.  My next step is to wait and see if they show up as threads 
 in the group.  

 ... nothing yet.  Google Groups interface posts instantly.

 Jason,
 SF,CA

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 The only way that I have ever been able to post to this group is through 
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[RBW] WTB: Albastache bar

2013-08-03 Thread MSmith

Rivendell is out of them right now.  I'm in no hurry, but thought I'd throw
it out there:

Did anyone try and not like these bars?  If so, let me know (off-list) and
I will gladly take them off your hands and put them under mine.

Thanks and cheers-
Mike in Htfd, CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT help posting from iphone

Ah ha!  

Thank you.  This must mean that the problem lies in seeing my own posts.  

Thanks, now I am getting someplace. :) 

Jason

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 I see both, Jason.
 
 With abandon,
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 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:58:30 PM UTC-6, JL wrote:
 
 I just sent out two emails.  One from my computer browser and another from 
 my phone app.  My next step is to wait and see if they show up as threads in 
 the group.  
 
 ... nothing yet.  Google Groups interface posts instantly.
 
 Jason,
 SF,CA
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

2013-08-03 Thread SMP

If I go for the medium Wald, I would definitely use some sort of front rack 
to stabilize it.  Regarding the total weight though, I would think that a 
Crate with aluminum struts would add about the same amount of weight as a 
Mark's mini + Wald medium, don't you think?

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 12:53:43 AM UTC+2, blakcloud wrote:

 My wife on her Betty uses a Mark's mini with a medium Wald basket and it 
 works fine for the light loads she rides with. I on the other hand have the 
 same basket but attached to a Gomah porteur rack. This works extremely well 
 for me and I can carry quite a bit. My bike is not a Riv so handling might 
 be different for those on Riv's, but barely noticeable until it hits 15 
 pounds and more. With the weight I carry I can ride no hands with no ill 
 effect on the steering.

 To the OP, I saw your photos with the Wald but as someone else already 
 said, having the weight lower would help tremendously. As much as I like 
 the crates, I would be concerned with total weight of the bike.  I would 
 definitely go with a front rack and then attaching whatever you want.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

Actually I'll say since getting the Big Front Rack, I've been able to carry
impressive front loads up high without a huge effect on handling. Before, I
had a Mark's rack with the double strut mod, and it was pretty competent,
but I would get the shimmy when getting out of the saddle to climb, etc.
With this setup, it's much more confident, even with that load. Granted,
I'm not going to ride hands-free for extended periods of time, but I'm
perfectly happy with it.

I found a methods to help with the shimmy, even when I had a Mark's
rack--first was to use Irish straps and pull the basket up and towards the
handlebars--this helped a lot.

A friend mentioned that a headset with roller bearings would be far less
susceptible to the shimmy, but I haven't tested that out myself.

The aforementioned double strut mod:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/99743766@N00/8506365178/

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's a pretty impressive front load; 15 lbs? 20 lbs? Doesn't that amount
 make the bike hard to handle in traffic, given Rivendell's signature
 medium-to-high-trail geometry?


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 The medium basket is quite useful, especially on a stable platform:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9411592963/in/photostream/


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:11 AM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 I now understand your rationale and concern.  I cannot imagine how I
 would give the crate 'break-away' functionality, so I am seriously
 considering going with the Wald medium basket instead.  Anyway, from my
 experience, things sold on the Rivendell site just seem to work with
 minimal fuss.  I should continue to keep this in the back of my mind when
 planning changes/upgrades.

 That picture was from the first time riding this bike -- I was too
 afraid to lock it anywhere at that point, but if I take a bike inside to
 help with shopping, I usually ride my Brompton.

 Thanks for your help.

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 SMP

 My concern is me (or you) falling on a corner of the crate.  I think a
 Wald would crumple a bit.  I don't think think this is a huge concern, just
 a moderate concern.  Perhaps if the crate could be attached to be stable
 for most circumstances but break away on a severe impact it would be OK.

 I like your picture.  Gotta love a store that allows your bike inside
 to help shop.  A nice reason to have a crate or a basket.

 Tom

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29:21 AM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Tom--first, thanks for the compliments.  My bike is blushing :).
 Second, regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to crashing...
  Do you mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood 
 would
 fly everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would
 just bend out of shape, at worst?  Hmm.. I think I may understand where 
 you
 are coming from.

 I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously,
 but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking.  I
 would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a
 Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it
 off the handlebar if at all possible.

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 You ask if this is a terrible idea.  Your bike is drop dead gorgeous.
  I also think the crates are wonderfully crafted.  But I think the crates
 are substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, not the 
 Autumn,
 but it is angular).  They are quite elegant.  I don't want to crash with
 one of those on my bike.  I have my troubles and crashes are a matter of
 when, not if for me.  I don't want such a rigid structure in that 
 scenario.
  I do think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is carrying stuff.
  And, they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them.

 Hope this is helpful.

 Best Regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Hello Bunch,

 I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is
 the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front
 basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

 Here is a photo of my Riv
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not
 very recent).  Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream 
 tires
 (this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

 My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would
 you recommend?  Click here for color 
 optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/.
  I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver.  If I do Natural,
 though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle
 and amber shellacked cork grips.  (Silly question - Can I use shellac on
 wood or only varnish?)

 My next question is, is there a way to mount

[RBW] FS: Brand new 52CM Soma San Marcos w/ Tange Headset

I found another bike that I wanted so I am thinking about moving this 
project along.  I thought I would see if anyone here was interested.  This 
is a brand new 52 Soma San Marcos.  Installed already is a nice silver 
sealed bearing Tange headset.  I also installed a Tange bottom bracket 
(110) but will be keeping that.  The frame has already had framesaver 
applied to it and the bb area was chased before I installed it.  I had 
inserted a seatpost and stem but past that no other installation has taken 
place, no hardware of any kind. It is exactly how I got it out of the box. 
 There is a small ding in the paint on the bottom of the derailluer hanger. 
 I just discovered that the other day so I am assuming maybe it happened at 
the store I bought it from because I only moved it from the box to a park 
stand.  Beyond that it's beautiful.  I will sell it with the headset 
installed for $800 shipped to your door anywhere in the US.  If you want 
the bottom bracket I can leave it in there for an extra $35 otherwise I 
will pull it out.  It's the same bottom bracket that Rivendell sells.  All 
of this will ship in the factory box.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

Actually it's lager!


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also: I hope that the box contains the statutory Pale Ale?


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 That's a pretty impressive front load; 15 lbs? 20 lbs? Doesn't that
 amount make the bike hard to handle in traffic, given Rivendell's signature
 medium-to-high-trail geometry?


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 The medium basket is quite useful, especially on a stable platform:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9411592963/in/photostream/


 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:11 AM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 I now understand your rationale and concern.  I cannot imagine how I
 would give the crate 'break-away' functionality, so I am seriously
 considering going with the Wald medium basket instead.  Anyway, from my
 experience, things sold on the Rivendell site just seem to work with
 minimal fuss.  I should continue to keep this in the back of my mind when
 planning changes/upgrades.

 That picture was from the first time riding this bike -- I was too
 afraid to lock it anywhere at that point, but if I take a bike inside to
 help with shopping, I usually ride my Brompton.

 Thanks for your help.

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 SMP

 My concern is me (or you) falling on a corner of the crate.  I think a
 Wald would crumple a bit.  I don't think think this is a huge concern, 
 just
 a moderate concern.  Perhaps if the crate could be attached to be stable
 for most circumstances but break away on a severe impact it would be OK.

 I like your picture.  Gotta love a store that allows your bike inside
 to help shop.  A nice reason to have a crate or a basket.

 Tom

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29:21 AM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Tom--first, thanks for the compliments.  My bike is blushing :).
 Second, regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to 
 crashing...
  Do you mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood 
 would
 fly everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would
 just bend out of shape, at worst?  Hmm.. I think I may understand where 
 you
 are coming from.

 I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously,
 but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking.  I
 would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a
 Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it
 off the handlebar if at all possible.

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 You ask if this is a terrible idea.  Your bike is drop dead
 gorgeous.  I also think the crates are wonderfully crafted.  But I think
 the crates are substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, 
 not
 the Autumn, but it is angular).  They are quite elegant.  I don't want 
 to
 crash with one of those on my bike.  I have my troubles and crashes are 
 a
 matter of when, not if for me.  I don't want such a rigid structure in 
 that
 scenario.  I do think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is 
 carrying
 stuff.  And, they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them.

 Hope this is helpful.

 Best Regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Hello Bunch,

 I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is
 the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front
 basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

 Here is a photo of my Riv
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not
 very recent).  Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream 
 tires
 (this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

 My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would
 you recommend?  Click here for color 
 optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/.
  I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver.  If I do Natural,
 though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey 
 saddle
 and amber shellacked cork grips.  (Silly question - Can I use shellac 
 on
 wood or only varnish?)

 My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an
 easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller
 mark's rack?  Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? 
  I
 want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my 
 inner
 city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go
 crate-free.

 My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

 Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.


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Re: [RBW] FS: Brand new 52CM Soma San Marcos w/ Tange Headset

2013-08-03 Thread Joe Hogg

On 08/03/2013 04:49 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:
I found another bike that I wanted so I am thinking
about moving this project along. I thought I would see if anyone
here was interested. This is a brand new 52 Soma San Marcos.
Installed already is a nice silver sealed bearing Tange headset.
I also installed a Tange bottom bracket (110) but will be keeping
that. The frame has already had framesaver applied to it and the
bb area was chased before I installed it. I had inserted a
seatpost and stem but past that no other installation has taken
place, no hardware of any kind. It is exactly how I got it out of
the box. There is a small ding in the paint on the bottom of the
derailluer hanger. I just discovered that the other day so I am
assuming maybe it happened at the store I bought it from because I
only moved it from the box to a park stand. Beyond that it's
beautiful. I will sell it with the headset installed for $800
shipped to your door anywhere in the US. If you want the bottom
bracket I can leave it in there for an extra $35 otherwise I will
pull it out. It's the same bottom bracket that Rivendell sells.
All of this will ship in the factory box.
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Hi Johnny,

I've have been looking at the Soma San Marcos and, correct me if I'm
wrong, but it takes 650B wheels I believe. Like you, I'm also
considering other frames. Where do you live?

Thanks,

Joe Hogg
LA, CA

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Re: [RBW] FS: Brand new 52CM Soma San Marcos w/ Tange Headset

This size takes 650B wheels, that is correct. The larger sizes use 700C wheels. 

I am in Central PA 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars

2013-08-03 Thread Leslie

Hang in there!  

I had 48 Noodles on my Ram, w/ a DuraAce stem that was a 120mm, which had me a 
bit stretched out, and dint get quite as high as I liked; not bad, but But 
it was the stem's creaking that motivated me to do something;  I switched to a 
110 Tallux stem, but while at it, I swapped down to a 46 Soba... Really like 
the bar  It is also a 177 bar, same curves as the Noodle, but doesn't have 
the center sleeve, nor available in 48.  

I don't find the 46 too wide;  I didn't find the 48 too wide, either, but for 
this bike, I realized the 46 was plenty wide... I moved the 48 over to the 
canti-Rom...

But, if your heart is set on a 42 or 44, just keep looking I've been known 
to peruse stacks of bike photos, searching for similar terms, in hopes of 
finding some oddball item; and then when I do, firing off emails to the person, 
inquiring about it, where they got it, if there were others, if they'd let it 
go  Have gotten several items that way

-L

PS:  Abby still loves the purple water-bottle cage you sent her.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Brand new 52CM Soma San Marcos w/ Tange Headset

2013-08-03 Thread Joe Hogg


  
  
On 08/03/2013 05:12 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:

  This size takes 650B wheels, that is correct. The larger sizes use 700C wheels. 

I am in Central PA 



Johnny,

Thank you for the speedy reply. Your bike is tempting, but I'm going
to wait for awhile before I buy and San Marcos, or a Rawland
Nordavinden, a Stag, or something else.

By the way, which bike made you decide to sell the Soma SM? And I'm
curious why.

I grew up in Southern Chester County, about 40 west of Philadelphia.
I get back there now and then.

Thanks,

Joe Hogg
LA, CA
  




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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-03 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

I volunteer to host, northern Wisconsin or perhaps my ancestral homeland of 
Upper Michigan. Dates are flexible, but I prefer late Sept for splendid Fall 
color. Lots of northwoods adventure. A real possibility of encountering wolves 
(they probably won't eat you). Probably more camping-centric than BB centric, 
and not much for yuppie cafes and quaint gift shops, but nothing is perfect for 
everybody. Of course, if it's just two or three days, we could rent cabins and 
do day trips.

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[RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-03 Thread Cecily Walker

Can I share my bike story? Maybe it'll serve as an introduction since I'm 
really new to the list. It'll be pretty long...

I've always loved bicycles. I remember my very first big girl's bike - a 
red, white  blue Free Spirit girl's bike with a white banana seat and 
streamers on the handlebars. It was the Bicentennial year, after all. It 
had training wheels, but I had my dad take those off pretty early on. 
Thanks to his patience, and firm yet friendly discipline, I was riding 
without training wheels after only about a day. Thanks, Dad - wherever you 
are. 

I moved to Vancouver, and noticed how many people rode bikes around for 
transportation and recreation, so I decided to get a bike for myself. went 
to the local bike store that specialized in race bikes and got a cold 
shoulder because I didn't look like a racer, but eventually they sold me a 
Norco hybrid. I rode that bike everywhere, even though it didn't fit me 
well. 

A few years later, I decided that I wanted  a bike with a more comfortable 
riding position. I went to a Trek dealer, and was again soundly ignored. 
The sales guy didn't ask any questions, he just directed me to the Trek 
Navigator bikes and pushed me out the door on a test ride. The bike was way 
too small for me and showed an absurd amount of seat post, but I was fond 
of it. I even used it to do my very first long-distance ride: a 66km 
overnight trip with friends. Look at all that seatpost. *shakes head*

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/6015311810/

I discovered the Cycle Chic Manifesto in 2009 or so and set out to find an 
elegant bike that would let me ride in real, fashionable clothes without 
working up a sweat. I purchased a Batavus Fryslan - an honest to goodness 
Dutch bike - which I absolutely loved. Little did I know that being a heavy 
rider on a 50 pound bike in a hilly city might not be the best recipe for 
success, but I loved this bike and rode it daily. I have my issues with 
Cycle Chic and Mikael Colville-Anderson in particular, but it 
revolutionized how I thought about fitting biking into my life. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/5155901984/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/5170608203/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/5395060058/

I rode that bike until March 2013 when an inattentive driver clipped me at 
a traffic light. She just needs a new front wheel, but the distributor no 
longer does business with Batavus, so I'll have to get a new front wheel 
built from scratch. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/8541421970/

I had a brief flirtation with wanting to get into race biking. I bought a 
friend's hand me down bike, but riding it twice and feeling like a circus 
bear on a toy bike, I gave up that dream and sold it to someone else. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/6133260879/

Right now I'm riding this baby blue Norco City Glide that the guy who hit 
me bought for me. When I say there is nothing special about this bike, I 
mean there is *nothing* special about it. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/8614713698/

Last year I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis. While I'm mostly OK, I 
know that I'll probably get worse, not better. That made me take a long, 
hard look at riding bikes and adjusting my thinking about what I needed. 

I've long had a photo of a Betty Foy with drop bars pinned to the cork 
board behind my desk at work. I convinced myself that the only real bikes 
were ones with drop bars, but thanks to my diagnosis, I had to shift my 
thinking. I know a number of women bike bloggers who have Rivendell Bikes - 
some with drop bars, some without, some ride Hilsens, Hillbornes, or Betty 
Foys, but they all rave about the bikes. One of my colleagues rides an A. 
Homer Hilsen to work everyday, and someone else at the library owns a 
Hunqapillar, though I don't know who it belongs to. 

I knew I wanted a steel bike because the cushy ride of my Dutch bike 
forever cured me of riding any other kind of frame. I knew I wanted 
something that would last as long as my body would allow me to ride, and, 
as shallow as it may sound, I knew that if I rode a beautiful, comfortable 
bike built for me, I'd be more likely to ride it farther. So I decided to 
pick up a little work on the side so I could finally buy a Rivendell of my 
own. 

That leads us to where I am now: on Monday I'll be phoning Keven and 
putting in my order for a frame. I would've ordered it today, but I didn't 
know that Rivendell doesn't do frame orders on weekends. :-)   I'm building 
the bike locally at Dream Cycle in Vancouver with very similar specs to the 
Riv build kit with a few slight differences. To say I'm excited is a 
tremendous understatement. 

So, that's me. Thanks for reading, and thanks for making a n00b feel 
welcome.

Bonus round: here's a video of me that was shot by the really nice guys 
behind Vancouver Cycle Chic: http://vimeo.com/68082943



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[RBW] 56 cm Sam Hillborne or wait for the 58 cm?

2013-08-03 Thread cbone97

Hi bunch.

Having a sale of my Polyvalent in the works, I'm allowing myself to start 
planning to buy a Sam and wondering whether to buy a web special 56 Sam or 
hold out for the new 58.  I plan to build it with a Dirt Drop stem and drop 
bars (On One Midge).

My PBH is 87.5 and I'm 5'10.5.  I have a 56 cm Breezer Downtown EX which, 
if I read the geo charts correctly, has a longer virtual tt length than the 
56 Sam. Even with the longer virtual tt, I think I'd be prefer a little 
more reach.   

So..should I get a 56 web special, save a few bucks, enjoy the standover 
clearance but risk wishing the tt were longer, or get the new 58 at a 
higher price which I suspect would fit my upper body length better but 
might a little much in standover height?  I'm pretty sure Riv would 
recommend going bigger.  At PBH of 87.5 I just barely make the 58 cm Sam 
cutoff of 87 and up.  87 is also the max listed for the new 55.   I 
probably couldn't go wrong with either, but any guesses what would be best?

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[RBW] Re: 56 cm Sam Hillborne or wait for the 58 cm?

I would call and talk with Grant. He guided me perfectly on my Hunqapillar. 
By the charts I should have a size down from 62 (90cm PBH), but he assured 
me the 62 was what I wanted. He was right. There is a personal touch to 
their sizing that doesn't fit on charts. Trust them.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:41:03 PM UTC-6, cbone97 wrote:

 Hi bunch.

 Having a sale of my Polyvalent in the works, I'm allowing myself to start 
 planning to buy a Sam and wondering whether to buy a web special 56 Sam or 
 hold out for the new 58.  I plan to build it with a Dirt Drop stem and drop 
 bars (On One Midge).

 My PBH is 87.5 and I'm 5'10.5.  I have a 56 cm Breezer Downtown EX which, 
 if I read the geo charts correctly, has a longer virtual tt length than the 
 56 Sam. Even with the longer virtual tt, I think I'd be prefer a little 
 more reach.   

 So..should I get a 56 web special, save a few bucks, enjoy the standover 
 clearance but risk wishing the tt were longer, or get the new 58 at a 
 higher price which I suspect would fit my upper body length better but 
 might a little much in standover height?  I'm pretty sure Riv would 
 recommend going bigger.  At PBH of 87.5 I just barely make the 58 cm Sam 
 cutoff of 87 and up.  87 is also the max listed for the new 55.   I 
 probably couldn't go wrong with either, but any guesses what would be best?


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Re: [RBW] 56 cm Sam Hillborne or wait for the 58 cm?

I don't know my PBH, but I too am 5'10 in socks with much of it in the
torso, and I found the 56 too long in the tt (mine had an effective tt
length of 59 c-c -- two cm too long for my taste). That's one comment, in
case it helps situate the size 56. I ride anything from a 57 to a 60 cm
c-c road bike if the top tube is 56 or 57 c-c.

The other comment is more general, and it expresses a principle I learned
the hard way. Always hold out for the best fit; don't waste money on
something less than the best fit. Getting something that is close but not
quite is, in the long run, a much more expensive proposition.

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:41 PM, cbone97 cbon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi bunch.

 Having a sale of my Polyvalent in the works, I'm allowing myself to start
 planning to buy a Sam and wondering whether to buy a web special 56 Sam or
 hold out for the new 58.  I plan to build it with a Dirt Drop stem and drop
 bars (On One Midge).

 My PBH is 87.5 and I'm 5'10.5.  I have a 56 cm Breezer Downtown EX which,
 if I read the geo charts correctly, has a longer virtual tt length than the
 56 Sam. Even with the longer virtual tt, I think I'd be prefer a little
 more reach.

 So..should I get a 56 web special, save a few bucks, enjoy the standover
 clearance but risk wishing the tt were longer, or get the new 58 at a
 higher price which I suspect would fit my upper body length better but
 might a little much in standover height?  I'm pretty sure Riv would
 recommend going bigger.  At PBH of 87.5 I just barely make the 58 cm Sam
 cutoff of 87 and up.  87 is also the max listed for the new 55.   I
 probably couldn't go wrong with either, but any guesses what would be best?

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Re: [RBW] 56 cm Sam Hillborne or wait for the 58 cm?

I always trust Rivendell sizing, even on the sloping top tube models.  Wait and 
get the 58. 

Cheers
Jason

On Aug 3, 2013, at 6:41 PM, cbone97 cbon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi bunch.
 
 Having a sale of my Polyvalent in the works, I'm allowing myself to start 
 planning to buy a Sam and wondering whether to buy a web special 56 Sam or 
 hold out for the new 58.  I plan to build it with a Dirt Drop stem and drop 
 bars (On One Midge).
 
 My PBH is 87.5 and I'm 5'10.5.  I have a 56 cm Breezer Downtown EX which, if 
 I read the geo charts correctly, has a longer virtual tt length than the 56 
 Sam. Even with the longer virtual tt, I think I'd be prefer a little more 
 reach.   
 
 So..should I get a 56 web special, save a few bucks, enjoy the standover 
 clearance but risk wishing the tt were longer, or get the new 58 at a higher 
 price which I suspect would fit my upper body length better but might a 
 little much in standover height?  I'm pretty sure Riv would recommend going 
 bigger.  At PBH of 87.5 I just barely make the 58 cm Sam cutoff of 87 and up. 
  87 is also the max listed for the new 55.   I probably couldn't go wrong 
 with either, but any guesses what would be best?
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Re: [RBW] why asymetric?

2013-08-03 Thread Peter Pesce

I'm thinking that a few mm one way or another just doesn't matter. Some will 
say they notice. Some will say they don't. If you can get the inner ring of 
your triple to clear then maybe it's all good. 

Btw, who ever said chain stays are always symmetrical?

- Pete in CT



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[RBW] Re: 56 cm Sam Hillborne or wait for the 58 cm?

With your PBH you are at the very bottom of the suggested sizing for the 
58.  The Hillborne is deceptive with it's sizing.  My 52 feels as large if 
not a little larger than my 54 Rambouillet.  Given the choice of being in 
the middle of a suggested sizing range or the bottom I would take the 
middle of the road every single time.  My guess is that the 56 would be a 
better choice.

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[RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-03 Thread LeahFoy

Well, you are cycle chic for sure! Such a great video and a very inspiring 
story. You are going to LOVE that new Riv frame - which one, is it, by the way? 
God bless you as you learn about RA and how to keep it at bay...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-03 Thread Anne Paulson

Cecily, I LOVE your video. That's what biking should be: just ride! I
hope you love your new Betty. What color will it be?

I know, guys are always talking about which derailleur the bike will
have, and which this, and which that, but me, I just let the bike tech
people put the bike together, and I care about whether it works and
what color it is. It sounds like your bike will be great.

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can I share my bike story? Maybe it'll serve as an introduction since I'm
 really new to the list. It'll be pretty long...

 I've always loved bicycles. I remember my very first big girl's bike - a
 red, white  blue Free Spirit girl's bike with a white banana seat and
 streamers on the handlebars. It was the Bicentennial year, after all. It had
 training wheels, but I had my dad take those off pretty early on. Thanks to
 his patience, and firm yet friendly discipline, I was riding without
 training wheels after only about a day. Thanks, Dad - wherever you are.

 I moved to Vancouver, and noticed how many people rode bikes around for
 transportation and recreation, so I decided to get a bike for myself. went
 to the local bike store that specialized in race bikes and got a cold
 shoulder because I didn't look like a racer, but eventually they sold me a
 Norco hybrid. I rode that bike everywhere, even though it didn't fit me
 well.

 A few years later, I decided that I wanted  a bike with a more comfortable
 riding position. I went to a Trek dealer, and was again soundly ignored. The
 sales guy didn't ask any questions, he just directed me to the Trek
 Navigator bikes and pushed me out the door on a test ride. The bike was way
 too small for me and showed an absurd amount of seat post, but I was fond of
 it. I even used it to do my very first long-distance ride: a 66km overnight
 trip with friends. Look at all that seatpost. *shakes head*

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/6015311810/

 I discovered the Cycle Chic Manifesto in 2009 or so and set out to find an
 elegant bike that would let me ride in real, fashionable clothes without
 working up a sweat. I purchased a Batavus Fryslan - an honest to goodness
 Dutch bike - which I absolutely loved. Little did I know that being a heavy
 rider on a 50 pound bike in a hilly city might not be the best recipe for
 success, but I loved this bike and rode it daily. I have my issues with
 Cycle Chic and Mikael Colville-Anderson in particular, but it revolutionized
 how I thought about fitting biking into my life.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/5155901984/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/5170608203/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/5395060058/

 I rode that bike until March 2013 when an inattentive driver clipped me at a
 traffic light. She just needs a new front wheel, but the distributor no
 longer does business with Batavus, so I'll have to get a new front wheel
 built from scratch.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/8541421970/

 I had a brief flirtation with wanting to get into race biking. I bought a
 friend's hand me down bike, but riding it twice and feeling like a circus
 bear on a toy bike, I gave up that dream and sold it to someone else.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/6133260879/

 Right now I'm riding this baby blue Norco City Glide that the guy who hit me
 bought for me. When I say there is nothing special about this bike, I mean
 there is *nothing* special about it.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/8614713698/

 Last year I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis. While I'm mostly OK, I
 know that I'll probably get worse, not better. That made me take a long,
 hard look at riding bikes and adjusting my thinking about what I needed.

 I've long had a photo of a Betty Foy with drop bars pinned to the cork board
 behind my desk at work. I convinced myself that the only real bikes were
 ones with drop bars, but thanks to my diagnosis, I had to shift my thinking.
 I know a number of women bike bloggers who have Rivendell Bikes - some with
 drop bars, some without, some ride Hilsens, Hillbornes, or Betty Foys, but
 they all rave about the bikes. One of my colleagues rides an A. Homer Hilsen
 to work everyday, and someone else at the library owns a Hunqapillar, though
 I don't know who it belongs to.

 I knew I wanted a steel bike because the cushy ride of my Dutch bike forever
 cured me of riding any other kind of frame. I knew I wanted something that
 would last as long as my body would allow me to ride, and, as shallow as it
 may sound, I knew that if I rode a beautiful, comfortable bike built for me,
 I'd be more likely to ride it farther. So I decided to pick up a little work
 on the side so I could finally buy a Rivendell of my own.

 That leads us to where I am now: on Monday I'll be phoning Keven and putting
 in my order for a frame. I would've ordered it today, but I didn't know that
 Rivendell doesn't do frame orders on weekends. :-)   I'm building the

[RBW] Re: FS: Brand new 52CM Soma San Marcos w/ Tange Headset

Beyond this bike I have a Black Mtn Cycles Road bike coming and I just 
found a RB-1 I couldn't pass up.  Just too much crossover to justify 
keeping. It is an amazing bike and the frame seems super super light.  It 
certainly has nothing to do with the bike or quality as I never built it up 
or rode it.  I am very impressed with the bike in every regard.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice