[RBW] Re: How to try DT shifters on a blue Sam?
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Re: [RBW] Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
Can a Sam fit Rock N Roads? If not, the next tire down is WTB Nano 40. Either one of those should get you wherever you want to go, just slower than someone on 2 tires. The only place the narrower width is really unpleasant is in sandy terrain. But that doesn't sound like a problem. If you start riding more and more rugged trail, then at some point you should probably get a bike that can fit a wider tire. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: As The Deacon says, riding technique is the key. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: My brother Peter at over 200 lb has ridden his Merlin and RB-1 road bikes with 23s on singletrack, perhaps not quite as rocky and rutted as yours, but certainly technically challenging. He used to enjoy leaving much younger, fully suspended riders behind uphill, and came close to the the fastest downhill -- his only damage being a couple of pinch flats. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the shade is so dark? Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along. Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those are fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu Stat crux dum volvitur orbis. Carthusian motto -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu Stat crux dum volvitur orbis. Carthusian motto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
Here is Surly's position on kickstands for their most robust touring frame: http://surlybikes.com/info_hole/spew/kickstands_on_long_haul_truckers Kind of interesting, Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group
As an FYI it's actually untrue that a postal money order has any extra protection. I had someone scam me years back. I paid for the item with a USPS money order under the assumption that anything that happened would be mail fraud. They never sent the item so I contacted the USPS and they told me their money orders are just standard money orders and the best I could do is follow up with the police. I only use Paypal these days as pretty much anything else comes with too many possibilities for error even with honest buyers and sellers. As a buyer you pretty much have the MOST protection from Paypal but as a seller as long as you ship only to verified addresses, always ship with a tracking number (and I like to include signature verification) and insure everything for the full amount then you have protections as well. All that said I have never had any issues with anyone on this forum and everyone is super nice on top of it! On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 12:00:40 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: Another FWIW: A USPS Postal Money Order sent by ordinary USPS snailmail takes a little longer but provides some degree of protection coverage with mail fraud laws. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group
PayPal claiming it's a hazard of doing business So much for the supposed security of electronic payment systems. Hugh, your tale is instructive for us all. When I see all the levels / parties / etc involved in this transaction, I can see why it's attractive to scammers. I'm with you on checks. It must have a legitimate address plus you have the banking info. Check clears, deal done. No messing with 3rd / 4th parties, etc. I've had people say no checks, Paypal only which seems shortsighted. Wait for the check to clear, then ship the parts. If it was an emergency I'd be at the LBS. Often for stuff under $20 I'll just mail cash : I've never had a problem. The USPS is a lot more reliable than Paypal, IMHO. So far USPS has a perfect record in my experience. dougP On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:37:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Hi Bill, Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold too much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I will like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at your own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting as to who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an experience I had recently not bike related but selling on eBay and receiving funds through PayPal. I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the auction closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the camera to an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my PayPal account. They did but were pending as un-verified buyer after three days it was changed to just pending I figured this normal as I needed to ship the item then the funds would be released. I printed out a shipping label and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address? They said maybe it's a new development and not showing yet in our records? Here's my biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled that the buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home and retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal. All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase! Here's where if you've ever watched the movie Brazil you can appreciate the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed transaction eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost count how many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone left with a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I figure purposely) the most incompetent people at this point. Here's what I garnered from all those conversations. 1. Don't worry if the credit card companies found in favor of the buyers then no one would do business with the CC companies. 2. A dispute like this can take up to 75 days. 3. They PayPal gave the CC company the incorrect tracking number. So the CC company obviously figured I was a scammer. 4. We will give all the information you gave us to the CC company. Basically, they PayPal are your advocate at this point between you and the buyers CC company. Shaky at best. 5. Since you didn't ship to the buyer's address we have on file all PayPal seller protections are void. I finally received an email from PayPal that the CC company decided in favor of the Buyer. At this point my PayPal account shows a negative balance of $880 $20 of that is a charge back fee from PayPal. Next up I started getting calls from PayPal! The person on the other end of this conversation was clearly competent. From that conversation I was told that seven days after a chargeback PayPal requires you settle your account with them and if you don't your account will be sent to a collections agency. At this point you may ask well you've got options. Right? Since eBay discards all records of transactions after 60 days I can't communicate with the buyer through them. Back in early June when this all happened I did send a eBay email to the buyer asking how we can resolve this, no reply. The email that PayPal has on file for the buyer is bogus. Both eBay and PayPal won't give any information about the buyer for privacy reasons. That competent PayPal representative said, oh a lawyer can help you get access to the buyer's records. I contacted my local police and the detective said we can't help you this is a civil case and PayPal is the victim. Very important here is the PayPal user agreement. It
Re: [RBW] Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
As The Deacon says, riding technique is the key. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: My brother Peter at over 200 lb has ridden his Merlin and RB-1 road bikes with 23s on singletrack, perhaps not quite as rocky and rutted as yours, but certainly technically challenging. He used to enjoy leaving much younger, fully suspended riders behind uphill, and came close to the the fastest downhill -- his only damage being a couple of pinch flats. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the shade is so dark? Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along. Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those are fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
My brother Peter at over 200 lb has ridden his Merlin and RB-1 road bikes with 23s on singletrack, perhaps not quite as rocky and rutted as yours, but certainly technically challenging. He used to enjoy leaving much younger, fully suspended riders behind uphill, and came close to the the fastest downhill -- his only damage being a couple of pinch flats. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the shade is so dark? Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along. Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those are fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
I think the bike will be fine but you need to think more about your tires. Stuff the biggest thing in there that will fit, and fiddle with tire pressure so you don't pinch flat. On my Atlantis, 40 mm is a sweet spot between on-road efficiency off-road security. I doubt you'll hurt the Sam at all. Before I got my Atlantis, I rode mid 80s Panasonic DX-5000 (a pretty much UJB) that took 28s at best. I was just careful slow (the slow part was easy) and never even had a flat off road. It did have the advantage of being easy to carry. dougP On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote: The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the shade is so dark? Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along. Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those are fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
What Patrick said! I'll also add this: I have both a hunqapillar w/ 2.1 smart sams and a sam hillborne (650B) with soma cazaderos 42mm tires w/ tread. Both are capable of some technical trail riding as long as you head Patrick's advice. However, the big difference I've noticed in riding the sam v. hunqapillar on trails (besides the obvious difference in tire thickness and pressure) is the lower bottom bracket on the Sam which can hit some rocks and roots more easily and cause more pedal strike on turns. I am definitely more careful on the sam than I am the hunq, and i'm already very careful on the hunq. On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote: The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the shade is so dark? Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along. Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those are fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
I think that the hunqapillar is made for this type of trail. Of course, you should finesse the trail and not slam into things. Your wheels will perish more quickly. But, this is true for any bike. I was thinking about this on my ride today -- I'm so careful with the hunq yet it is probably more stout than the light weight, rigid mtb bikes most of my friends ride. I shouldn't worry. As for the Sam, I think that's fine but I would definitely take it easy as Duncan says. If you like riding trails, maybe get a bike specially for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
I did it once on my Sam on trails like you described and my take away conclusion was never again. I wasn't worried about the frame breaking or the wheels not being able to handle it, because they can. I think the combination of the low bottom bracket and the Albatross bars made the bike difficult to control on rocky trails. To me the geometry was all wrong. On smoother trails it was fine but once you get into the real technical stuff, not so fun. I have plenty of experience on mountain bikes so my skills are there, it was just the wrong bike for the application. My bars started to slip and rotate downward from all the banging around. Bull Moose bars would have really helped. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Grand Bois Cyprus minimum pressure?
PS- these are the standard casing version. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Grand Bois Cyprus minimum pressure?
170lb rider in an unloaded Sam. 45psi? I want as much Cush as possible but without squirm in cornering. What do you run yours at? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
I meant to say, also, that it had never fallen over while on the kickstand. On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote: I used a Pletscher double-legger on my Hunqapillar. This bike is my daily rider, commuter, go everywhere bike; touring, camping, all of it. It was mounted directly to the kickstand plate with the shorty bolt I got from Rivendell. After a friend's partner was left permanently disabled by a collapsing front fender, I decided to adjust my fender lines to insure as much clearance as possible. While remounting the rear fender, I noticed that the fender mount that is affixed to the kickstand plate was distorted, leading me to discover that the entire kickstand plate was distorted, bowing down in the middle to an unsettling degree. I unshipped the kick stand and flipped the bike over. The kickstand plate had started to tear away from the chainstays. Pretty distressing. I really liked the utility of the double-legged kickstand, but I would NEVER have bought it and installed it if there had been some warning against doing so. So now I have a damaged frame and no kickstand, which frankly sucks. I tidied up the exposed metal with some clear nail polish pending the imaginary date in the future that I can afford to have the damage repaired and the frame repainted. I ran the double-legger for less than three years. Boo. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 2:44:00 PM UTC-7, drew wrote: so, i havent been amazingly satisfied with my pletscher dbl leg stand. it just doesnt seem that stable with a load and it tends to make creaking noises that are not reassuring. i was at a bike shop a few months ago, and saw the same kickstand with a sticker that said 30lb weight limit (it was in kg, but i did the math). i asked the bike shop guy and he seemed to have no idea if that was a legitimate statement, and i can find no weight limit listed anywhere online. its possible that that tainted my view of the kickstand's sturdiness. back to real time. i was gonna another black version, since i at least know what im getting with the pletscher, and the others are mysterious to me. and i read this on the rivendell site *NOTE: Don't bolt these on to Riv kickstand plates, those are for single leggers only. If you want to use a double, use the sandwich and run the bolt through the plate.*** now, i dont really know what that means. does it mean that you are still supposed to use the top plate even with a kickstand plate? that would seem to defeat the purpose of a kickstand plate, since the top part cant fit between the chainstays and would therefore have to go on top. also, the product page with that warning, HERE http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/k21.htm , clearly shows it bolted directly to the kickstand plate. anyway, maybe im misreading it. maybe you are supposed to put the plate on top and run a really long bolt through pletscher plateairkickstand platekickstand? seems weird to me. more to the point, is anyone using a double leg kickstand that they really like for touring with loads and standing up on not always super smooth/flat ground. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
Double kicker coming off wife's Glorius in 3... 2... On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM, shawn m. smula...@gmail.com wrote: I meant to say, also, that it had never fallen over while on the kickstand. On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote: I used a Pletscher double-legger on my Hunqapillar. This bike is my daily rider, commuter, go everywhere bike; touring, camping, all of it. It was mounted directly to the kickstand plate with the shorty bolt I got from Rivendell. After a friend's partner was left permanently disabled by a collapsing front fender, I decided to adjust my fender lines to insure as much clearance as possible. While remounting the rear fender, I noticed that the fender mount that is affixed to the kickstand plate was distorted, leading me to discover that the entire kickstand plate was distorted, bowing down in the middle to an unsettling degree. I unshipped the kick stand and flipped the bike over. The kickstand plate had started to tear away from the chainstays. Pretty distressing. I really liked the utility of the double-legged kickstand, but I would NEVER have bought it and installed it if there had been some warning against doing so. So now I have a damaged frame and no kickstand, which frankly sucks. I tidied up the exposed metal with some clear nail polish pending the imaginary date in the future that I can afford to have the damage repaired and the frame repainted. I ran the double-legger for less than three years. Boo. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 2:44:00 PM UTC-7, drew wrote: so, i havent been amazingly satisfied with my pletscher dbl leg stand. it just doesnt seem that stable with a load and it tends to make creaking noises that are not reassuring. i was at a bike shop a few months ago, and saw the same kickstand with a sticker that said 30lb weight limit (it was in kg, but i did the math). i asked the bike shop guy and he seemed to have no idea if that was a legitimate statement, and i can find no weight limit listed anywhere online. its possible that that tainted my view of the kickstand's sturdiness. back to real time. i was gonna another black version, since i at least know what im getting with the pletscher, and the others are mysterious to me. and i read this on the rivendell site NOTE: Don't bolt these on to Riv kickstand plates, those are for single leggers only. If you want to use a double, use the sandwich and run the bolt through the plate. now, i dont really know what that means. does it mean that you are still supposed to use the top plate even with a kickstand plate? that would seem to defeat the purpose of a kickstand plate, since the top part cant fit between the chainstays and would therefore have to go on top. also, the product page with that warning, HERE , clearly shows it bolted directly to the kickstand plate. anyway, maybe im misreading it. maybe you are supposed to put the plate on top and run a really long bolt through pletscher plateairkickstand platekickstand? seems weird to me. more to the point, is anyone using a double leg kickstand that they really like for touring with loads and standing up on not always super smooth/flat ground. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Mavic MA2 wheelset, chorus hubs, Sachs 13-26 FW
Mavic MA2 rims mated to Campy Chorus (I believe these are Chorus) and Campy QR with a SACHS 6 speed 13-26 freewheel. These wheels were not ridden very much, I had 2 700c bikes and this one was a spare bike used for friends once I got the other. I would think these wheels have well under 1,000 miles on them, probably under 500 miles. The Campy hubs were used when the wheels were build, in great shape, smooth as they still are. These wheels have been hanging in my basement for about 8 years or so. I have not been able to ride for 5 years and have been selling my bicycles and parts... If you are looking at these then you know how coveted the MA2 rims are. I had to take the tires off to put these in the box but if you need these can be thrown in and I can give you details, I actually have 2 or 3 sets of tires for these wheels. I have wiped the rims down, they can probably use a bit more elbow grease but look great, pictures were taken prior to my attempt to clean them up. They do look new as they practically are. Looking for $200 plus shipping from iBob or RBW list members. On eBay toy $250. Have box, ready to ship. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
I used a Pletscher double-legger on my Hunqapillar. This bike is my daily rider, commuter, go everywhere bike; touring, camping, all of it. It was mounted directly to the kickstand plate with the shorty bolt I got from Rivendell. After a friend's partner was left permanently disabled by a collapsing front fender, I decided to adjust my fender lines to insure as much clearance as possible. While remounting the rear fender, I noticed that the fender mount that is affixed to the kickstand plate was distorted, leading me to discover that the entire kickstand plate was distorted, bowing down in the middle to an unsettling degree. I unshipped the kick stand and flipped the bike over. The kickstand plate had started to tear away from the chainstays. Pretty distressing. I really liked the utility of the double-legged kickstand, but I would NEVER have bought it and installed it if there had been some warning against doing so. So now I have a damaged frame and no kickstand, which frankly sucks. I tidied up the exposed metal with some clear nail polish pending the imaginary date in the future that I can afford to have the damage repaired and the frame repainted. I ran the double-legger for less than three years. Boo. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 2:44:00 PM UTC-7, drew wrote: so, i havent been amazingly satisfied with my pletscher dbl leg stand. it just doesnt seem that stable with a load and it tends to make creaking noises that are not reassuring. i was at a bike shop a few months ago, and saw the same kickstand with a sticker that said 30lb weight limit (it was in kg, but i did the math). i asked the bike shop guy and he seemed to have no idea if that was a legitimate statement, and i can find no weight limit listed anywhere online. its possible that that tainted my view of the kickstand's sturdiness. back to real time. i was gonna another black version, since i at least know what im getting with the pletscher, and the others are mysterious to me. and i read this on the rivendell site *NOTE: Don't bolt these on to Riv kickstand plates, those are for single leggers only. If you want to use a double, use the sandwich and run the bolt through the plate.*** now, i dont really know what that means. does it mean that you are still supposed to use the top plate even with a kickstand plate? that would seem to defeat the purpose of a kickstand plate, since the top part cant fit between the chainstays and would therefore have to go on top. also, the product page with that warning, HERE http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/k21.htm , clearly shows it bolted directly to the kickstand plate. anyway, maybe im misreading it. maybe you are supposed to put the plate on top and run a really long bolt through pletscher plateairkickstand platekickstand? seems weird to me. more to the point, is anyone using a double leg kickstand that they really like for touring with loads and standing up on not always super smooth/flat ground. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Grand Bois Cyprus minimum pressure?
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[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
Here is a Surly LHT with a cracked chainstay right about where a kickstand plate on a Rivendell would be mounted. Granted this bike does have some miles and has been on the road a while, but he doesn't use a kickstand and judging from his experience I'd say your lucky if all that happens is the kickstand plate deforms. What I've derived from all this is that chainstays are subject to a lot more stress than we realize and are subject to failure. https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=tSpage_id=432317v=S By the way - this is a pretty entertaining blog. Currently he's in Austrailia and it's pretty boring, but if you follow from the beginning it's entertaining. I think so anyway. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
Cool! You're gonna have a blast and learn a lot. Remember all your gears, including your two feet. LCG (lowest common gear) is part of every bike. Grin. The simple answer: Yes, but not riding like you describe. The longer answer: This ain't about speed, despide any videos of insane downhilling your son many be inspired by. It's about finesse, and making sure you see the trail even if that means you go slower. Always see your way through. There is a learning curve. Learn to flow with the trail, using diagonal lines to access the full width as needed. Platform pedals are better for pushing the envelope and learning as they afford instant dismounts. Don't outride your eyesight/brakes. Use your free wheel to avoid roots and rock with your downstroke. When going over obstacles, unweight the saddle. Absorb the shock with knees and elbows, letting the bike jounce beneath you. On steep climbs, sit as much as possible to weight your rear wheel, but when climbs and obstacles combine, stand and pedal with anticipatory burst in a higher gear than is may feel ideal (this means you are less likely to be in the downstroke at the rock or root). I prefer a higher gear for obsticles anyway, as speed can often help you though them (relatively speaking). There is also a balance between deflating your tires enough to get more cushion and keep enough air to avoid pinch flats. Ride slower than you think until you get the hang of it. I ride my Quickbeam on stuff like you describe. It's a very different ride from the Hunqapillar and fun in its own way, though it is definitely underbiking. Of course, by some people's definitions, my Hunqapillar is underbiking also, but I usually pass them. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 3:37:55 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote: The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the shade is so dark? Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along. Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those are fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: 52CM Blue and Cream Hillborne - Rivendell Albatross Build
Got this bike a little under 2 years ago. It was the last of the 52 frames available before they switched to the 51 size. Jared lucked into finding it for me. It has very few miles on it. It was built up completely by Rivendell and was their Albatross build of the time. I have a full list of what is on there straight from Rivendell. It was upgrade with a better Nitto septets and the Silver thumbshifters. Has the wide/low Sugino crank, Deore rear derailer and a CX70 front derailer. Riv/Velocity standard wheelset. It currently sports a brand new pair of Pari Moto tires but I will include a very low miles pair of Conti TourRides and another very low miles pair of Schwalbe 650B fatties. Plenty of options to try out. Beautiful bike with very little wear. $1800 shipped in the USA. It will be professionally boxed up at the local LBS. I would prefer to keep the saddle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group
Funny postal service money order story: I've had a few of those sent to me; maybe people who don't have checking accounts? Anyway, my local mini-post office is in the back of another business, and they can't cash USPS money orders. No biggie, the big post office is a 10 minute bike ride away. dougP On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 9:05:47 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Sure I'd accept that method of payment. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill web...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Another FWIW: A USPS Postal Money Order sent by ordinary USPS snailmail takes a little longer but provides some degree of protection coverage with mail fraud laws. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/b8ydbeRYKww/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group
Damn... On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Sure I'd accept that method of payment. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill webe...@gmail.com wrote: Another FWIW: A USPS Postal Money Order sent by ordinary USPS snailmail takes a little longer but provides some degree of protection coverage with mail fraud laws. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/b8ydbeRYKww/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?
The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the shade is so dark? Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this. My son-in-law (has mountain bike with shocks) is getting interested in the dirt trails around here and asked if I would go along. Mind you, neither of us has really any experience with these trails like this, though I fly along fast over hard packed fine gravel trails. Those are fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
I suppose my thinking and now disappointment came from the idea that a kickstand plate negated crushing or over flexing chainstays. That it solved that problem. I agree with patrick, that I don't know what the purpose of a kickstand plate is, if you can't put a dbl leg one one it. Presumably the dbl leg would apply a more even force than a single leg, right? Less bending? I also have to think that this was riv's thinking too, since, despite the current/not publicized warning, their pictures still show the stand being attached to the plate directly, and the warning is relatively new...I think. Mine is still attached directly to the plate, and I'm a little bit afraid to flip the bike over to see how it looks. mine has fallen at least a couple times. Anyway, what's the solution. Is a stand mounted to the chainstays on a weighted bike just not a good idea? Is the current plate that is being used not up to the task or being attached in an insufficient manner? Part of me wonders how adding the top plate and clamping down on the chainstays while also going thru the kickstand plate makes this problem better. Wouldn't that just be over stressing a more key area of the bike than just a plate? I'm not sure I want to put the kind of force that can snap a welded on steel plate directly onto my chainstays. i guess this goes back to surlys stance on the matter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Oh but I love my Ram!
I just reread my note and see that I meant to write 44/30 rings. It's been quite a while since I installed that BB I haven't thought about it since. I don't think it's a White, just the vanilla Japanese BB that Riv sells. No noise whatsoever. The only advice I can offer is to call White. I have found them very responsive to inquiries. Michael On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 7:57:27 PM UTC-4, ted wrote: Sounds lovely indeed. If you will permit a small digression, do you use a White bottom bracket with your White VBC cranks, and if you do have you had any trouble with bottom bracket creaking or clicking, and if you have had such noises, can you offer any advice on how to eliminate them? thnks Ted On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 4:33:06 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: After a long summer of many guest and busyness I got out for a two hour ride this morning. It was humid and I went sans helmet (lets not have an argument). I rode for an hour into the wind before swinging around, picking up fresh pavement, a wide shoulder and a delightful tailwind. I'm somewhere between flying and heaven. Rolling hills but mostly big ring cruising... not racing, just cruising along at an exhilarating pace. There have been a number of topics lately that dealt with ring, cog shifting issues. Smooth shifting adds a lot to the joy of riding. I have had a 40/34 White VBC crank with pinned rings and a Campy CD FD on this bike for 4 or 5 years now and have no memory of ever missing a front end shift. No struggles, no skating, no jumping. Just DT shifters I flick with my thumb across a 44/30. Usually I miss about 1 rear shift every two hours and that's just what happened today. Nine speed ultegra HG cassette, conex chain, Shimano 6700 CD RD 6700. Smooth as can be. A new set of Grand Bois Cerf 29mm tires. Fine for my 9 miles of dirt and glorious on that new pavement. Now, if only the car and the lawn mower were that good! Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
I guess we're all going to have to wait until someone from Rivendell explains the cautionary note. On 08/15/2015 12:33 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: I would think a single legger would inflict more twisting than a double legger. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 6:30:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: I'll bet it has to do with twisting forces if and when the bike falls over with a load. As Shawn said, I sure wish they'd posted that warning about the double-leggers not using the kickstand plate BEFORE my double-legger ruined the kickstand plate on my hunqapillar! Grr. Now, I don't have a kickstand at all... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
In what way are the plates deforming? Bent or bulged up or something? Interested to know more. Is it a matter of Riv bikes having their plates enhanced to be made more resiliant to heavier stresses then? Would a thicker reinforcement be their solution to this? KJ On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 5:44:00 PM UTC-4, drew wrote: so, i havent been amazingly satisfied with my pletscher dbl leg stand. it just doesnt seem that stable with a load and it tends to make creaking noises that are not reassuring. i was at a bike shop a few months ago, and saw the same kickstand with a sticker that said 30lb weight limit (it was in kg, but i did the math). i asked the bike shop guy and he seemed to have no idea if that was a legitimate statement, and i can find no weight limit listed anywhere online. its possible that that tainted my view of the kickstand's sturdiness. back to real time. i was gonna another black version, since i at least know what im getting with the pletscher, and the others are mysterious to me. and i read this on the rivendell site *NOTE: Don't bolt these on to Riv kickstand plates, those are for single leggers only. If you want to use a double, use the sandwich and run the bolt through the plate.*** now, i dont really know what that means. does it mean that you are still supposed to use the top plate even with a kickstand plate? that would seem to defeat the purpose of a kickstand plate, since the top part cant fit between the chainstays and would therefore have to go on top. also, the product page with that warning, HERE http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/k21.htm , clearly shows it bolted directly to the kickstand plate. anyway, maybe im misreading it. maybe you are supposed to put the plate on top and run a really long bolt through pletscher plateairkickstand platekickstand? seems weird to me. more to the point, is anyone using a double leg kickstand that they really like for touring with loads and standing up on not always super smooth/flat ground. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How to try DT shifters on a blue Sam?
I got a No 33, which fits 31-34mm (Sam's downtube is 32.3mm, iirc). I taped the inside surface of the clamp with 3M packing tape and it held securely and didn't mar the paint. Inner tube might work, but it might be too thick or might slide around. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 5:54:52 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote: Arthur: Which size did you get? Looks like they have a lot of sizes online. I'm thinking of using a piece of scrap inner tube to line it with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
My 68 cm Bombadil didn't like having a two-leg stand attached to the plate. It was never that stable, the stand kept coming loose and the plate ended up deformed. On the other hand my better half has one attached to the plate on her 54 cm Homer and it's fine (four years, no problems). There is really not much difference in bike weight, so maybe the size of the frame could be a factor? Or wheel size? Personally I prefer the rear-chainstay single-leggers to centre-mount two leggers. I tried one of the Pletscher ones that mount in the rear triangle and it was super stable, but unfortunately my heel hits the mounting bracket. I currently have one of the Hebies that attaches via the rear wheel QR, it's OK but not great. I am thinking I would like to have an attachment plate welded onto the left chainstay for the Pletscher direct mount models at some stage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
Yes, Surly does say not to use one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group
Another FWIW: A USPS Postal Money Order sent by ordinary USPS snailmail takes a little longer but provides some degree of protection coverage with mail fraud laws. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group
Sure I'd accept that method of payment. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill webe...@gmail.com wrote: Another FWIW: A USPS Postal Money Order sent by ordinary USPS snailmail takes a little longer but provides some degree of protection coverage with mail fraud laws. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/b8ydbeRYKww/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
My often loaded Atlantis has a deformed kickstand plate due to the double-legger but the never loaded with more than a few pounds Betty Foy plate is still like new after a couple of years of DL kickstand usage. Seems like sound advice they've added to the site; had I been advised likewise my Atlantis probably wouldn't have a deformed kickstand plate today. On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 9:56:31 AM UTC-5, Tom Harrop wrote: My 68 cm Bombadil didn't like having a two-leg stand attached to the plate. It was never that stable, the stand kept coming loose and the plate ended up deformed. On the other hand my better half has one attached to the plate on her 54 cm Homer and it's fine (four years, no problems). There is really not much difference in bike weight, so maybe the size of the frame could be a factor? Or wheel size? Personally I prefer the rear-chainstay single-leggers to centre-mount two leggers. I tried one of the Pletscher ones that mount in the rear triangle and it was super stable, but unfortunately my heel hits the mounting bracket. I currently have one of the Hebies that attaches via the rear wheel QR, it's OK but not great. I am thinking I would like to have an attachment plate welded onto the left chainstay for the Pletscher direct mount models at some stage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
I have an unused plestcher double legger if anyone wants to experiment... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
Frankly, having tried Pletscher and VO 2-leg stands, as well as the usual Greenfeld bb stand, I've found left rear dropout stands most effective at holding up a bike under assymetrical rear loads, even with 20 lb in the pannier on the stand-side and none on the opposite. That said, I remember someone on some list pointing to a specialist center-mount 2-leg stand with much wider legs than those of the Pletscher and VO stands, that apparently was much more apt to support assymetrical rear loads -- perhaps someone knows what this is? That said again, I can't see the point of a kickstand plate that doesn't support any kind of stand you bolt to it. My Sam Hill was not harmed by the VO stand I bolted to it, for what that's worth. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: I have an unused plestcher double legger if anyone wants to experiment... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
I use the top plated double legger on my Hillborne and have been carelessly overloading it for 3+ years. No problems ever but I should have a closer look (not having examined the chainstays since I installed the kickstand I'm a bit nervous to, I'll let you know...) -Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk
Patrick, I think you may be referring to the Ursus Jumbo. I tried it, it was OK but it kept coming loose. Anyway, I'm with you on the left rear dropout stands, as I said—I found it much better particularly when loading up a stuffed saddlesack large. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
