[RBW] FS/FT: Tubus Tara Lowrider Front Rack

[Tim Wood]

Rack is sold. Thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Mark,

No expert here, but what I've read from folks who obsesse about ride
characteristics claim that 4" and above is where you gain the
performance/float in sand or snow. A 650b plus 3 or 3.25" or 26×3 is a
compromise at that end of the spectrum on those surfaces.

I'm in the process myself on a different beast so I've been thinking more
on what kind of rig is optimal for the bulk of riding I want to do.

Personally, I'd like a bike optimized for 650b+× 3.25 and if I hit a super
sandy patch I'll live with the reduced performance. This is where the
N+1really comes in.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Nov 19, 2015 9:47 AM, "Mark Reimer"  wrote:

> I've been working on selling some road bike stuff to fund the purchase of
> a Crust Evasion frame - it's a new company a friend of mine has just
> launched. It's built around a 26" x 3" tire. There is a second model coming
> out in January that fits a full 4" fat tire, or 27.5x3", or standard 29er.
> I'm pretty keen on the mid-fat 26" though. I'm hoping to have it arranged
> by January or so!
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, hsmitham  wrote:
>
>> Mark it seems like you're a candidate for a plump tire ride 26x4/5??
>>
>> Enjoy your Winter Wonderland while I sweat it out.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 9:19:29 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> I woke up this morning to a fresh layer of the white stuff. November
>>> 19th is really late for snow here, so it's not very surprising. I still had
>>> the Compass Barlow Pass tires with fenders on my Atlantis, which were not
>>> going to cut it on the fresh snow and ice. I scrambled to change to some
>>> 2.1 Thunder Burts and no fenders before work. These were brand new Thunder
>>> Burts, as I've been using 2.25's all summer. I've rubbed the paint clean
>>> off the frame and had the wheels grind to a halt a few times because of the
>>> marginal clearance. The 2.1's have quite a lot of room all around and will
>>> be a great trail riding tire I think.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I rode in to work today. The first snow is always absurd. All
>>> the drivers forget how to drive in snow, and being anywhere near a cyclist
>>> causes absolute panic. Thankfully I made it in safely. It was even kinda
>>> fun... :)
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Getting to be that time of year...

[Deacon Patrick]

Wait ... it's a contest? No pictures from me, so I lose. It may not have 
happened. Grin. Yeah, I didn't need much clothing yesterday (wool only on 
my feet, hands, and head), but was very thankful for wind blocking, highly 
breathable ventile! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Hah, you and I post basically the same thing today! 
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Edwin W]

If you are thinking of getting the SKS fenders that Riv sells: On the little 
Clem 

 
I built up, I put p55s on there with Panaracer Pasela 26x1.75. I know it 
will fit p65s, so I think I would suggest those, unless you are planning on 
running relatively small tires, like mine, or smaller

As far as the mounting, I have a spacer (just a rubber plug I drilled a 
hole in) in between the fender and the kickstand plate and another one in 
between the fender and the seat stay bridge.

Edwin

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:10:36 PM UTC-6, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
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> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Tim Gavin]

Cool.  Personally, I only trust studded tires on ice.  The MUPs that I use
get ruts through the snow/slush that freeze overnight, and those ruts will
yank your tire out from under you if you can't climb out of them.

I'm really impressed with the studded Dillinger 5 tires; they're barely any
slower than the stock Specialized GC tires (but WAY louder).  Still, crazy
expensive.  I was working part time at the LBS when I bought the fat bike
and tires, so the small discount was appreciated.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> So far so good! Last year I had WTB Nano 2.1's all winter and I love them.
> But the TB's have been soo nice all summer, so I anticipate good
> things. Nice aggressive side knobs for fast trails, but light and fast
> rolling with a smooth center tread for when I'm on exposed pavement and ice
>

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[RBW] Clem Smith fenders?

[Jonathan in Ri]

I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender will 
work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting?

Thanks

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[RBW] FS: Brooks Leather Saddles (3) - all NEW

[David Hallerman]

Hi,

I have three totally new Brooks leather saddles for sale. I'm the 
original owner of all three, but at this point, they might be surplus to 
my requirements...might be. Note that "totally new" means never mounted, 
never Proofided (is that a verb?), stored inside, in perfect condition, 
in original boxes.


And both B.17s are the older, pre-Selle Italia models -- which in my 
opinion have much nicer leather and last far longer than the current 
stock of B.17s.


_/Info & Prices/_
Brooks B.17 Champion Special, titanium rails, antique brown = $212
Brooks B.17 Standard, steel rails, honey = $100
Brooks Swift, titanium rails, black (with saddle cover) = $230

Prices do not include shipping, although I'll pay for Priority Mail 
shipping if you cover the PayPal fee and don't require the original 
boxes. And let's talk about a discount if you buy two or more.


Some pix are linked below, more pix quickly available, and questions 
readily answered.


Dave, who still has Brooks saddles on all of his bikes and that likely 
won't change any time soon

*
**B.17 Ti - brown*
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_brown_01a.jpg
*B.17 Steel - honey*
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_honey_01a.jpg
*Swift Ti - black*
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_black_02a.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Deacon Patrick]

Tim,

My grocery run yesterday was on my 6 mo. old TB's and they did quite well. 
I'd have to swap back to Smart Sams to see what a more lugged tire is like, 
but I think some general differences are (both 2.1"):
-- TB's under-inflated grip well despite the smaller knobbies, having a 
tendency to float more hold a line more easily.
-- SS's, under-inflated have better drive traction but the difference is 
small enough to be negligible. Riding a few more pedal strokes up a hill is 
not much advantage to the downfalls of swimmier steering (center ridge 
issue?).

Conditions yesterday: Highly variable: 16+" of snow, medium wet, oddly 
partially plowed in places by an ATV whose blade wasn't lowered; snow and 
ice packed roads, high cross winds (50+ mph) with blowing snow, sunny 
melted spots, slush, powdered slush (like granular playdough, the worst 
stuff to ride in).

The only way I think things could have been improved (though I don't know 
by how much) is a Moonlander fatbike. But I has a blast, spectacular 
density of adventure per mile, and got to offer a 4x4 a tow (they passed). 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> How were the Thunder Burts in the snow? 
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Zed Martinez]

I'm with Edwin. I have P55s on mine with 48mm tires (not quite 2"). They 
fit easily and look great, but I too could've fit the P65's and I'm getting 
some splash out the side in stouter puddles since the tire fills so much of 
the fender. If I was doing it again, I'd get the 65s. Just be sure and read 
Riv's note about the one fender not being defective because it's got a 
space cut out of it, that's just part of the fender at that size to fit the 
frame.

Rather than rubber plugs at the kickstand plate I just used a longer bolt 
with a few nuts on it to split the spacing difference between getting the 
wheel out and maintaining my fender line. On the 52cm I had to bend the 
mounting tab on the rear fender's positionable bracket to match the angle 
of the seat stay bridge's boss. Didn't really have another troubles getting 
them in there, massive fender clearance is one of the Clem's strengths 
after all ;)

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 2:20:30 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> If you are thinking of getting the SKS fenders that Riv sells: On the little 
> Clem 
> 
>  
> I built up, I put p55s on there with Panaracer Pasela 26x1.75. I know it 
> will fit p65s, so I think I would suggest those, unless you are planning on 
> running relatively small tires, like mine, or smaller
>
> As far as the mounting, I have a spacer (just a rubber plug I drilled a 
> hole in) in between the fender and the kickstand plate and another one in 
> between the fender and the seat stay bridge.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:10:36 PM UTC-6, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>>
>> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
>> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>>
>> Thanks
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A snowy Clem

[David Sprunger]

Weird. I see the info page plus some pictures. I'll check on the
permissions to see if I can figure out why you can't see the pictures. In
the meantime, let me know if they suddenly show up.
David


On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> Fargo, ND?!? I graduated from NDSU in 2004. Met my husband there, as did
> my parents and most of my siblings.  Lived in ND all my life until after
> college, and I take my sons home to ND for a month every summer so they can
> have a taste of "the good life" in "God's Country."
>
> Now, about you photos - there is a photo of the Clem build but no other
> images. I'm sure you'll have them up in no time, and I'm waiting with bated
> breath over here.
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] A snowy Clem

[LeahFoy]

I see them and they're LOVELY!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Mark Reimer]

I'm not personally a fan of studded tires, but understand the appeal. I
ride on ice a lot. Pretty much every day for 4-5 months each year, as I
commute to work by riding on the frozen Red River. The city plows a nice
path down to the ice, which starts one block from my home and ends 3 blocks
from work. Score! In my personal experience, I find a file tread tire run
at a very low pressure provides great grip while also rolling nicely when
you hit the pavement. They also handle packed snow trails very well. On
smooth ice (like where the river has been prepared for ice skating) I don't
mind sliding around a bit here and there, helps keep my bike handling
skills in check. Usually the guys with studs end up bailing as often as I
do anyway. I've been running Challenge Grifo XS 32mm tires every winter
before I got the Rivendell (remember, I've only owned the Atlantis for one
winter!) and found I'd regularly fly past guys on fat bikes or studded
tires. Maybe they were just enjoying the view though :)

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> Cool.  Personally, I only trust studded tires on ice.  The MUPs that I use
> get ruts through the snow/slush that freeze overnight, and those ruts will
> yank your tire out from under you if you can't climb out of them.
>
> I'm really impressed with the studded Dillinger 5 tires; they're barely
> any slower than the stock Specialized GC tires (but WAY louder).  Still,
> crazy expensive.  I was working part time at the LBS when I bought the fat
> bike and tires, so the small discount was appreciated.
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Mark Reimer 
> wrote:
>
>> So far so good! Last year I had WTB Nano 2.1's all winter and I love
>> them. But the TB's have been soo nice all summer, so I anticipate good
>> things. Nice aggressive side knobs for fast trails, but light and fast
>> rolling with a smooth center tread for when I'm on exposed pavement and ice
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[David Person]

Looks like a few people have had success, both with SKS fenders and some VO 
fenders, judging from the pictures I see in the topic "Let's See Some 
Clem/Clementine Pics"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs

David

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 10:10:36 AM UTC-8, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
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> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] A snowy Clem

[David Sprunger]

Here are a few shots of my Clem out in the snow. I'll take some better
pictures later, but I wanted to document how the first build turned out.

This is a 59 cm, blue frame. As others have testified, the ride is plush
and stable. I am a bit over 6'3" with short legs and a long torso, and the
fit is comfy.

One feature that really grabs my attention is the generous space at the
widest point between the tire and seat tube. On this setup, it measures
almost 13 cm. The distance really speaks to the long chain stays. By
contrast, that same space on my road custom is only 3 cm (and when we
discussed the design, Grant commented on the "stretched" chain stays). On
my '71 Cinelli and '73 Paramount the corresponding gap is about 3.5 cm. The
angle of the seat post and the tire profile must affect this measurement
too, but it's one I never really noticed before.

Anyway, here's a link to the pictures:

http://1drv.ms/1luwlOH


David Sprunger

Fargo, ND

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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

[Patrick Moore]

An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.

I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was he
full of a particular unpleasing substance?

(Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap
> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping
> of the FW notches in the process.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Leather Saddles (3) - all NEW

[Ryan Fleming]

hmmm...yes latest Brooks I bought was a Standard and I think it was a Selle 
Italia and the giveaway is that you don't see England under Brooks on the 
nameplate

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:27:29 PM UTC-6, Dave Hallerman wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have three totally new Brooks leather saddles for sale. I'm the original 
> owner of all three, but at this point, they might be surplus to my 
> requirements...might be. Note that "totally new" means never mounted, never 
> Proofided (is that a verb?), stored inside, in perfect condition, in 
> original boxes.
>
> And both B.17s are the older, pre-Selle Italia models -- which in my 
> opinion have much nicer leather and last far longer than the current stock 
> of B.17s.
>
> *Info & Prices*
> Brooks B.17 Champion Special, titanium rails, antique brown = $212
> Brooks B.17 Standard, steel rails, honey = $100
> Brooks Swift, titanium rails, black (with saddle cover) = $230
>
> Prices do not include shipping, although I'll pay for Priority Mail 
> shipping if you cover the PayPal fee and don't require the original boxes. 
> And let's talk about a discount if you buy two or more.
>
> Some pix are linked below, more pix quickly available, and questions 
> readily answered.
>
> Dave, who still has Brooks saddles on all of his bikes and that likely 
> won't change any time soon
>
> *B.17 Ti - brown*
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_brown_01a.jpg
> *B.17 Steel - honey*
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_honey_01a.jpg
> *Swift Ti - black*
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_black_02a.jpg
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

[tarik saleh]

Cheap Dicta and even some cheap shimano's have come like that, I think
there is an indian sub manufacturer that makes the inadequate ones. There
are also non standard tiny prong 4 prong dicta freewheels, and even two
prongs.   I think  you can spin them on remover-side-in if you are not
paying attention as well.

Tarik



On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My freewheel, as far as I could tell, had no prongs or slots for a tool --
> the interior was entirely smooth.
>
> Has anyone come across a fw like this?
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
>> I had this experience once, too, back in the mid-90's.  I had a Suntour,
>> Shimano, or some kind of FW (can't remember) stuck on an old Campy Record
>> hub so badly that I actually stripped the notches out of the FW trying to
>> get it loose with the removal tool.  The LBS I took it to guaranteed that
>> they could get it off, but would destroy the FW in the process.  I said go
>> for it and they did, and it did.  Since then I've used higher quality
>> components AND lubed the hub threads with anti-seize compound and have had
>> no further problems.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX
>>> race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet
>>> racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple
>>> days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use
>>> it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White
>>> Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once.
>>> It's perfect.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
 wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
 lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
 it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
 cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.

 I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was
 he full of a particular unpleasing substance?

 (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick 
 wrote:

> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle 
> cap
> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the 
> stripping
> of the FW notches in the process.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Pair of Hetres

[Lungimsam]

Tars are sold. Thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

[Patrick Moore]

No great loss in any case. It was rather interesting, nay thrilling!, to
see the mechanic remove it by squeezing it in a vise.

As for OEM Indian Roadster components, the habit in the countries where I
saw them used was that things like freewheels, not to mention chains,
chainrings, bb, hub, and headset bearing assemblies, saddles, rims, and
brake linkages were considered permanent infrastructure, like the frame.
(I'm being somewhat -- 33.225% -- facetious, but serious for the rest of
it.)

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:44 PM, tarik saleh  wrote:

> Cheap Dicta and even some cheap shimano's have come like that, I think
> there is an indian sub manufacturer that makes the inadequate ones. There
> are also non standard tiny prong 4 prong dicta freewheels, and even two
> prongs.   I think  you can spin them on remover-side-in if you are not
> paying attention as well.
>
> Tarik
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> My freewheel, as far as I could tell, had no prongs or slots for a tool
>> -- the interior was entirely smooth.
>>
>> Has anyone come across a fw like this?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> I had this experience once, too, back in the mid-90's.  I had a Suntour,
>>> Shimano, or some kind of FW (can't remember) stuck on an old Campy Record
>>> hub so badly that I actually stripped the notches out of the FW trying to
>>> get it loose with the removal tool.  The LBS I took it to guaranteed that
>>> they could get it off, but would destroy the FW in the process.  I said go
>>> for it and they did, and it did.  Since then I've used higher quality
>>> components AND lubed the hub threads with anti-seize compound and have had
>>> no further problems.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:

 I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX
 race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet
 racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple
 days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use
 it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White
 Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once.
 It's perfect.

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
> wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
> lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
> it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
> cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.
>
> I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was
> he full of a particular unpleasing substance?
>
> (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will
>> work well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly
>> used tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
>> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle 
>> cap
>> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
>> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
>> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the 
>> stripping
>> of the FW notches in the process.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Patrick Moore]

I had one of the earlier Sam Hills, with cantis. I forget if it was a 55 or
a 56, but it had only 1 tt, and I am pretty sure this model antedated the
2-top-tube fad.

Amirite?

Mine had a 59 cm tt, which was pretty darned long for a 55, though the
slacker (??71??) st angle took care of part of this length.

Patrick Moore, who sees absolutely no reason except "style" why a 55 to 60
cm all rounder-type frame needs 2 tts.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:03 PM, drew  wrote:

> i have a 56 with double top tube. 55 replaced the 56 and eliminated the
> second tube, from what i recall.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 2:23:04 PM UTC-8, Belopolsky wrote:
>>
>> Trying to make sense of this bike I bought. I am 5'7, I was told it was a
>> 55cm. I seem to fit it fine, if anything I am a bit stretched out on it so
>> I was thinking next season I'd get some pullback bars, but I digress..
>>
>> Looking at the website again, I see that the 58+ comes with a double tt.
>> Was the 55 ever a double? I saw someone elsewhere online who had a 56cm
>> double..
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Hugh Smitham]

Mark,

On Nov 19, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mark Reimer"  wrote:
>
> I can see that. I'm no expert either, just going based on the bikes that
have come and gone from my circle of riding friends. A few years back there
were probably a dozen fat bikes showing up on our weekly winter rides. Now
there might be one.  Everybody sold them. The general consensus was that
there is a very small margin of terrain where a fat bike really excels, the
kind of terrain and snow where no other bike can manage. Anything less and
they are just slow and overkill. Anything more and no bike at all can ride.
Sand is interesting though, and not something we have much of here. It's
possible we just don't have the best fat-bike friendly terrain here.
>
> On snowy rides, most people I know find narrower tires are an advantage
in, as the tire cuts through to a hard surface. This is not true in deep
powdery snow of course. But if there is a trail or road down there
somewhere, and it's been snowing a lot, narrow tires can be pretty great
IMO.
>
I appreciate the first hand observations very helpful.

> For commuting, I definitely find that my experience dictates anything
wider than 32ish mm is not an advantage. On roads where there is snow piled
up here and there from poor/no plowing, wider tires just float up on top
and slide around, losing all control and traction.
>
> Personally, I'd love something in the 3" wide platform for groomed/harder
packed snow trails, but more importantly for summer dirt and trail touring.
I have dreams of riding the divide some year very soon, and I think that'd
be the perfect bike for it. I'm sure the Atlantis could do it, but might be
a little out of its element in the sticky mud and weight category.

Yep 3" seems like a sweet spot. I spoke with Mike Schiller and we figured
that a bike optimized for max 3.25 could also run 700×2" for more pavement
oriented touring and not affect bottom bracket height. Plus there are a
decent number of tire choices below 3" so that's the direction I'm headed.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Hugh Smitham 
wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> No expert here, but what I've read from folks who obsesse about ride
characteristics claim that 4" and above is where you gain the
performance/float in sand or snow. A 650b plus 3 or 3.25" or 26×3 is a
compromise at that end of the spectrum on those surfaces.
>>
>> I'm in the process myself on a different beast so I've been thinking
more on what kind of rig is optimal for the bulk of riding I want to do.
>>
>> Personally, I'd like a bike optimized for 650b+× 3.25 and if I hit a
super sandy patch I'll live with the reduced performance. This is where the
N+1really comes in.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2015 9:47 AM, "Mark Reimer"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been working on selling some road bike stuff to fund the purchase
of a Crust Evasion frame - it's a new company a friend of mine has just
launched. It's built around a 26" x 3" tire. There is a second model coming
out in January that fits a full 4" fat tire, or 27.5x3", or standard 29er.
I'm pretty keen on the mid-fat 26" though. I'm hoping to have it arranged
by January or so!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, hsmitham 
wrote:

 Mark it seems like you're a candidate for a plump tire ride 26x4/5??

 Enjoy your Winter Wonderland while I sweat it out.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

 On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 9:19:29 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I woke up this morning to a fresh layer of the white stuff. November
19th is really late for snow here, so it's not very surprising. I still had
the Compass Barlow Pass tires with fenders on my Atlantis, which were not
going to cut it on the fresh snow and ice. I scrambled to change to some
2.1 Thunder Burts and no fenders before work. These were brand new Thunder
Burts, as I've been using 2.25's all summer. I've rubbed the paint clean
off the frame and had the wheels grind to a halt a few times because of the
marginal clearance. The 2.1's have quite a lot of room all around and will
be a great trail riding tire I think.
>
> Anyway, I rode in to work today. The first snow is always absurd. All
the drivers forget how to drive in snow, and being anywhere near a cyclist
causes absolute panic. Thankfully I made it in safely. It was even kinda
fun... :)
>
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Joe Bartoe]

Yes!

http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/11-speed-elite-cassette-shimano-compatible

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Re: [RBW] Re: Forget your Sackvilles; the cool load carrier is a hacked Lands' End tote. Also, Kojaks versus Marathons.

[Patrick Moore]

Although, from my experience, Kojaks are B rather than A tires (note that,
per Schwalbe, the wire bead casing is identical to the folding bead casing;
not always the case, I understand), still, I was very struck at how much
better the Kojaks feel. I don't feel, as I did with the Marathons, that I
am pushing against a 15 mph wind, or riding up an incline, or riding with
brake blocks dragging. I'm not kidding; the difference is that great.

I felt a similar improvement when changing from some old Avocet Cross Ks to
the Kojaks, this on the '03: the Kojaks were far, far better feeling, again
judging by how hard it feels to maintain a given cadence in given
conditions in a given gear. But the switch to Kojaks from the M Racers
resulted in the feeling of an even greater improvement. Really, riding with
the Marathons, same tubes and sealant, felt so bad that it really made me
hesitate to ride the bike.

Now if I can only get these Kojaks converted to tubeless -- yes, they are
wire bead, but I've found few tires so hard to mount as these -- even the
first/inner bead required a tire jack, let along the second/outer.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Lynne Cooney  wrote:

> I have Marathons on my Brompton and don't have any issues with the ride. I
> might try Kojaks one day, though.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 4:17:07 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> A cheap ass alternative to buying (1) rack or (2) Sackville, Large
>> methods for carrying grocery loads of more than 20 lb on the Hon Solo. The
>> bag is made from Baggins-but-not-Sackville-quality canvas and can, as to
>> mere volume, hold two (2) full-but-not-bulging paper grocery sacks. Today's
>> load was 23 lb total (bulk was 12 pack of IPA) and it was entirely docile
>> -- no worse than the same load in a Sackville Medium, if you could get a 12
>> pack in a Medium -- I've not used a Large.
>>
>> The bottom sags onto the rear fender -- but the struts are
>> serendipitously placed for this -- and God willing I'll add a plywood or
>> particle board base in the interior of the bag.
>>
>> The attachment hack is designed so that the bag can very quickly be
>> adapted to its original purpose as a hand tote.
>>
>> The checkout clerk peered over the counter, examined the bag closely, and
>> exclaimed, "Ingenious!"
>>
>> I daresay I could get away with at least 30 lb in the thing. This is for
>> short distances only; I have other bikes with racks and panniers for longer
>> loaded trips.
>>
>> Interesting: the 20" (406 mm bsd)-wheeled Solo is noticeably more
>> convenient to roll through the aisles -- I had not anticipated this benefit.
>>
>> Segwaying on: I finally got around to replacing the absolutely-horrible
>> Marathon Racers with Kojaks - 1.35s (thanks to Joe). The Kojaks are not by
>> any means Elk Passes or P Roubaix, but -- even with (1) tubes and (2)
>> sealant -- both said to increase rolling resistance and "stiffness of feel"
>> -- the difference is night and day. The bike is no longer a chore and an
>> annoyance to ride, as it very definitely was with the Marathons. What
>> horrible tires those were!
>>
>> I'll try the Lands' End hack for a while before I buy a 20" wheel rack.
>> So far, so good.
>>
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[RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Ron Mc]

Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and love 
them all.  

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote:
>
> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs.  IRD 
> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want.
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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Minh]

per drew's point, it is probably a 56 and the seller got confused when he 
looked up the current listings.  i believe the 56cm has a slightly longer 
top-tube measurement (59 vs 57) if i'm reading the specs correctly.   the 
current 58 is closer to the old 56.

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 5:23:04 PM UTC-5, Belopolsky wrote:
>
> Trying to make sense of this bike I bought. I am 5'7, I was told it was a 
> 55cm. I seem to fit it fine, if anything I am a bit stretched out on it so 
> I was thinking next season I'd get some pullback bars, but I digress..
>
> Looking at the website again, I see that the 58+ comes with a double tt. 
> Was the 55 ever a double? I saw someone elsewhere online who had a 56cm 
> double..
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Richard L]

You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs.  IRD 
also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want.

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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[drew]

i had to look up "antedate", but i think that is right. 

i think it went:
-all sams w/o dbl tt
-56 and up w/ dbl tt
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[RBW] A snowy Clem

[LeahFoy]

Fargo, ND?!? I graduated from NDSU in 2004. Met my husband there, as did my 
parents and most of my siblings.  Lived in ND all my life until after college, 
and I take my sons home to ND for a month every summer so they can have a taste 
of "the good life" in "God's Country."

Now, about you photos - there is a photo of the Clem build but no other images. 
I'm sure you'll have them up in no time, and I'm waiting with bated breath over 
here.

Leah
Eternal Citizen of God's Country, no matter where else I may live

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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

[Mark Reimer]

I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX
race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet
racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple
days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use
it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White
Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once.
It's perfect.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
> wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
> lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
> it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
> cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.
>
> I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was he
> full of a particular unpleasing substance?
>
> (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
>> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
>> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
>> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap
>> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
>> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
>> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping
>> of the FW notches in the process.
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[RBW] Re: A snowy Clem

[Ryan Fleming]

Very classy...but you usually do have very nicely built-up bikesthose 
clems are starting to grow on me a bit

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:33:14 PM UTC-6, spru...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Here are a few shots of my Clem out in the snow. I'll take some better 
> pictures later, but I wanted to document how the first build turned out.
>
> This is a 59 cm, blue frame. As others have testified, the ride is plush 
> and stable. I am a bit over 6'3" with short legs and a long torso, and the 
> fit is comfy.
>
> One feature that really grabs my attention is the generous space at the 
> widest point between the tire and seat tube. On this setup, it measures 
> almost 13 cm. The distance really speaks to the long chain stays. By 
> contrast, that same space on my road custom is only 3 cm (and when we 
> discussed the design, Grant commented on the "stretched" chain stays). On 
> my '71 Cinelli and '73 Paramount the corresponding gap is about 3.5 cm. The 
> angle of the seat post and the tire profile must affect this measurement 
> too, but it's one I never really noticed before.
>
> Anyway, here's a link to the pictures:
>
> http://1drv.ms/1luwlOH
>
>
> David Sprunger
>
> Fargo, ND
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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Mark Reimer]

I can see that. I'm no expert either, just going based on the bikes that
have come and gone from my circle of riding friends. A few years back there
were probably a dozen fat bikes showing up on our weekly winter rides. Now
there might be one.  Everybody sold them. The general consensus was that
there is a very small margin of terrain where a fat bike really excels, the
kind of terrain and snow where no other bike can manage. Anything less and
they are just slow and overkill. Anything more and no bike at all can ride.
Sand is interesting though, and not something we have much of here. It's
possible we just don't have the best fat-bike friendly terrain here.

On snowy rides, most people I know find narrower tires are an advantage in,
as the tire cuts through to a hard surface. This is not true in deep
powdery snow of course. But if there is a trail or road down there
somewhere, and it's been snowing a lot, narrow tires can be pretty great
IMO.

For commuting, I definitely find that my experience dictates anything wider
than 32ish mm is not an advantage. On roads where there is snow piled up
here and there from poor/no plowing, wider tires just float up on top and
slide around, losing all control and traction.

Personally, I'd love something in the 3" wide platform for groomed/harder
packed snow trails, but more importantly for summer dirt and trail touring.
I have dreams of riding the divide some year very soon, and I think that'd
be the perfect bike for it. I'm sure the Atlantis could do it, but might be
a little out of its element in the sticky mud and weight category.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Hey Mark,
>
> No expert here, but what I've read from folks who obsesse about ride
> characteristics claim that 4" and above is where you gain the
> performance/float in sand or snow. A 650b plus 3 or 3.25" or 26×3 is a
> compromise at that end of the spectrum on those surfaces.
>
> I'm in the process myself on a different beast so I've been thinking more
> on what kind of rig is optimal for the bulk of riding I want to do.
>
> Personally, I'd like a bike optimized for 650b+× 3.25 and if I hit a super
> sandy patch I'll live with the reduced performance. This is where the
> N+1really comes in.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Nov 19, 2015 9:47 AM, "Mark Reimer"  wrote:
>
>> I've been working on selling some road bike stuff to fund the purchase of
>> a Crust Evasion frame - it's a new company a friend of mine has just
>> launched. It's built around a 26" x 3" tire. There is a second model coming
>> out in January that fits a full 4" fat tire, or 27.5x3", or standard 29er.
>> I'm pretty keen on the mid-fat 26" though. I'm hoping to have it arranged
>> by January or so!
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, hsmitham  wrote:
>>
>>> Mark it seems like you're a candidate for a plump tire ride 26x4/5??
>>>
>>> Enjoy your Winter Wonderland while I sweat it out.
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 9:19:29 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 I woke up this morning to a fresh layer of the white stuff. November
 19th is really late for snow here, so it's not very surprising. I still had
 the Compass Barlow Pass tires with fenders on my Atlantis, which were not
 going to cut it on the fresh snow and ice. I scrambled to change to some
 2.1 Thunder Burts and no fenders before work. These were brand new Thunder
 Burts, as I've been using 2.25's all summer. I've rubbed the paint clean
 off the frame and had the wheels grind to a halt a few times because of the
 marginal clearance. The 2.1's have quite a lot of room all around and will
 be a great trail riding tire I think.

 Anyway, I rode in to work today. The first snow is always absurd. All
 the drivers forget how to drive in snow, and being anywhere near a cyclist
 causes absolute panic. Thankfully I made it in safely. It was even kinda
 fun... :)


 


 



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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

[George Schick]

I had this experience once, too, back in the mid-90's.  I had a Suntour, 
Shimano, or some kind of FW (can't remember) stuck on an old Campy Record 
hub so badly that I actually stripped the notches out of the FW trying to 
get it loose with the removal tool.  The LBS I took it to guaranteed that 
they could get it off, but would destroy the FW in the process.  I said go 
for it and they did, and it did.  Since then I've used higher quality 
components AND lubed the hub threads with anti-seize compound and have had 
no further problems.

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX 
> race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet 
> racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple 
> days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use 
> it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White 
> Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once. 
> It's perfect. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back 
>> wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good 
>> lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy 
>> it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such 
>> cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.
>>
>> I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was he 
>> full of a particular unpleasing substance?
>>
>> (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick > > wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work 
>>> well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used 
>>> tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the 
>>> larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap 
>>> on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA, 
>>> but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel 
>>> without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping 
>>> of the FW notches in the process.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[David Banzer]

I'm going to install P50s, only because I happen to have a set that aren't 
going on their intended bike - will probably get larger ones at some point. 
I'm only using 42mm tires to start though.
David
Chicago

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>
> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: FS 54 Hunqapillar

[ndalgas]

I actually bought my first Riv after having a kid, and it's been the best 
investment I've ever made.

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> I have recently found out that we have our first child on the way and in 
> preparation, this beautiful bike will be sold. Interested parties please 
> reply privately and I will offer details and we can discuss the price.

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[RBW] Dia-Compe ENE Bottle Cage Source? How Does VO Moderniste MKII Compare?

[Jack K]

*Hey Rivillians,Anyone know a source for the Dia-Compe ENE bottle cages 
shown on Riv's website (but now out of stock)? Extensive Google'ing 
discovered only U.K. based sources at (oddly) prohibitively high prices.  
I'd rather pay the few dollars more for the ENE cages, but if none are 
available, how do the VO Moderniste MKII cages compare? They're quite a bit 
lighter than the ENE cages, which are already very light, so I wonder about 
durability of the VO's. Yes, I know the King Iris cages are similar, but I 
really prefer the more svelte design of the ENE's or 
VO's.Cheers,-JackRaleigh, NC*

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[RBW] Re: FS 54 Hunqapillar

[Belopolsky]

Is this by any chance a green one for sale in the Metro Detroit area??

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> preparation, this beautiful bike will be sold. Interested parties please 
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[RBW] Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Belopolsky]

Trying to make sense of this bike I bought. I am 5'7, I was told it was a 
55cm. I seem to fit it fine, if anything I am a bit stretched out on it so 
I was thinking next season I'd get some pullback bars, but I digress..

Looking at the website again, I see that the 58+ comes with a double tt. 
Was the 55 ever a double? I saw someone elsewhere online who had a 56cm 
double..


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[RBW] Re: For Sale - Bicycle Quarterly Issues

[Diablo Stelvio]

The BQ issues arrived today in great shape, John. I'll be reading them from 
cover to cover. 

Thanks,
Claro

On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 3:59:33 PM UTC-6, John wrote:
>
> Time to clear off the bookshelf and share these great magazines with 
> somebody else.  I've got 4 complete years (2011 - 2014) and two partial 
> years (2010 and 2015).  All in good, once-read condition.  Prices, 
> including media mail shipping to CONUS addresses, are as follows:
>
> 2010  3 issues (Summer, Autumn, Winter) $19
>
> 2011  4 issues $25
>
> 2012  4 issues $25
>
> 2013  4 issues $25
>
>
> Please contact me off-line (lindbergjohn at hotmail dot com) if you're 
> interested.
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] FS: 62cm Hunqapillar

[benjamin]

2014 hunqapillar powder coated a dark metallic grey
-Chris king black sotto headset
-dirt drop and noodle cockpit
-Thomson seatpost(but I've also got a silver Nitto post if you'd prefer that)
-Shimano levers and bar ends
-9 speed xt rear derailleur with 12-36 9 speed cassette
-cx70 front derailleur with a 40/26 compact setup(Sugino big/ race face little) 
but will include a 105 triple derailleur and 46 tooth Sugino ring from its time 
as a 3x9
-175 Sugino cranks/grip king pedals/shimano un bottom bracket
-Paul neo-retro cantilevers
-Nitto front rack
-king iris cage
-Grey 2.25 Smart Sam tires(!...had to order these from Australia, don't know if 
they ever made it to the U.S. Market)
-32 spoke Mavic/XT wheel set(higher miles than the rest of the bike, rear hub 
is pretty crusty and will need to be repacked and/or replaced soon. Front is 
still nice and both are straight and true. Originally had a dynamo wheelset 
built for this bike but it's since gone to another project)

I think that's about it. second owner, bought as a frameset and had a good time 
building it up. I thought it would be the bike that would keep me from wanting 
any other bikes but I ended up riding it the least...it always felt too tall 
for me to be fully comfortable on trails(which is the majority of my riding). 
Never really been seriously crashed although it has seen its fair share of 
skids gone wrong and stumps that weren't quite jumped. Really rad bike and it's 
a bit hard for me to sell but I'm moving into a room next month that's about 
half the size of my current spot and really trying to not live like a hoarder. 

I'm also somewhat computer illiterate so if this link doesn't work please let 
me know...

http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/BIGgreyHunqapillar/library/Mobile%20Uploads?sort=2=1


Not really sure what to price it at, I was thinking 2200 or best reasonable 
offer. Located in sf but I can ship at actual cost + the cost of having a shop 
box it up... give me a call or text if you're interested or have any 
questions(don't always have access to a computer). Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Blue Clementine

[R Michaels]

Now that's a nice looking blue.  I hope my new Joe has a blue like that.

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:45:41 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> Got my Clementine frame and began the build, pic attached.  The blue is 
> nothing like the turquoise-y color of the prototypes – it's much more 
> gray-blue, very similar to the blue Hillborne color.  Very classy and 
> attractive, but I suspect my wife (for whom this is destined to be a 
> Christmas gift) would have preferred the turquoise.  Oh well – donees can't 
> be choosers, or something like that.  The bike is really cool, whatever the 
> color.
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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar

[Deacon Patrick]

Pictures don't show for me. Looks like a great build!

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:23:20 PM UTC-7, benjamin wrote:
>
> 2014 hunqapillar powder coated a dark metallic grey 
> -Chris king black sotto headset 
> -dirt drop and noodle cockpit 
> -Thomson seatpost(but I've also got a silver Nitto post if you'd prefer 
> that) 
> -Shimano levers and bar ends 
> -9 speed xt rear derailleur with 12-36 9 speed cassette 
> -cx70 front derailleur with a 40/26 compact setup(Sugino big/ race face 
> little) but will include a 105 triple derailleur and 46 tooth Sugino ring 
> from its time as a 3x9 
> -175 Sugino cranks/grip king pedals/shimano un bottom bracket 
> -Paul neo-retro cantilevers 
> -Nitto front rack 
> -king iris cage 
> -Grey 2.25 Smart Sam tires(!...had to order these from Australia, don't 
> know if they ever made it to the U.S. Market) 
> -32 spoke Mavic/XT wheel set(higher miles than the rest of the bike, rear 
> hub is pretty crusty and will need to be repacked and/or replaced soon. 
> Front is still nice and both are straight and true. Originally had a dynamo 
> wheelset built for this bike but it's since gone to another project) 
>
> I think that's about it. second owner, bought as a frameset and had a good 
> time building it up. I thought it would be the bike that would keep me from 
> wanting any other bikes but I ended up riding it the least...it always felt 
> too tall for me to be fully comfortable on trails(which is the majority of 
> my riding). Never really been seriously crashed although it has seen its 
> fair share of skids gone wrong and stumps that weren't quite jumped. Really 
> rad bike and it's a bit hard for me to sell but I'm moving into a room next 
> month that's about half the size of my current spot and really trying to 
> not live like a hoarder. 
>
> I'm also somewhat computer illiterate so if this link doesn't work please 
> let me know... 
>
>
> http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/BIGgreyHunqapillar/library/Mobile%20Uploads?sort=2=1
>  
>
>
> Not really sure what to price it at, I was thinking 2200 or best 
> reasonable offer. Located in sf but I can ship at actual cost + the cost of 
> having a shop box it up... give me a call or text if you're interested or 
> have any questions(don't always have access to a computer). Thanks! 
>
> Ben 
> 415 378 6808 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, I've found that even 60 mm tires, if you can run them quite soft --
sub 20 psi at least in front (I've run them as low as 12/16 without
problem; tubes; Big Apples, so, while supple, not the very thinnest of
sidewalls) -- I've found that these do considerably better in sand up to
about 3" deep than the typical 1.95 at 50 psi. Even better, IME, though
some deny this, is that a wheel that is 3" or so bigger in diameter, ie
29", rolls through sand even better. I do quite well with my 700C 50mm/1.95
Furious Freds in such sand, even if at slightly higher pressures because of
the very thin sidewalls. The 700C Big Apples I used for a while, at 65 mm
actual, were even better.

That said, if all my riding were in such sand (no more than 60% of my local
dirt riding is really dirt, and of that, no more than 30% is sand over 1"
deep) I'd be very interested in 650C "plus." BSNYC has been riding such a
bike and apparently likes it.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> I can see that. I'm no expert either, just going based on the bikes that
> have come and gone from my circle of riding friends. A few years back there
> were probably a dozen fat bikes showing up on our weekly winter rides. Now
> there might be one.  Everybody sold them. The general consensus was that
> there is a very small margin of terrain where a fat bike really excels, the
> kind of terrain and snow where no other bike can manage. Anything less and
> they are just slow and overkill. Anything more and no bike at all can ride.
> Sand is interesting though, and not something we have much of here. It's
> possible we just don't have the best fat-bike friendly terrain here.
>
> On snowy rides, most people I know find narrower tires are an advantage
> in, as the tire cuts through to a hard surface. This is not true in deep
> powdery snow of course. But if there is a trail or road down there
> somewhere, and it's been snowing a lot, narrow tires can be pretty great
> IMO.
>
> For commuting, I definitely find that my experience dictates anything
> wider than 32ish mm is not an advantage. On roads where there is snow piled
> up here and there from poor/no plowing, wider tires just float up on top
> and slide around, losing all control and traction.
>
> Personally, I'd love something in the 3" wide platform for groomed/harder
> packed snow trails, but more importantly for summer dirt and trail touring.
> I have dreams of riding the divide some year very soon, and I think that'd
> be the perfect bike for it. I'm sure the Atlantis could do it, but might be
> a little out of its element in the sticky mud and weight category.
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> No expert here, but what I've read from folks who obsesse about ride
>> characteristics claim that 4" and above is where you gain the
>> performance/float in sand or snow. A 650b plus 3 or 3.25" or 26×3 is a
>> compromise at that end of the spectrum on those surfaces.
>>
>> I'm in the process myself on a different beast so I've been thinking more
>> on what kind of rig is optimal for the bulk of riding I want to do.
>>
>> Personally, I'd like a bike optimized for 650b+× 3.25 and if I hit a
>> super sandy patch I'll live with the reduced performance. This is where the
>> N+1really comes in.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>> On Nov 19, 2015 9:47 AM, "Mark Reimer"  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been working on selling some road bike stuff to fund the purchase
>>> of a Crust Evasion frame - it's a new company a friend of mine has just
>>> launched. It's built around a 26" x 3" tire. There is a second model coming
>>> out in January that fits a full 4" fat tire, or 27.5x3", or standard 29er.
>>> I'm pretty keen on the mid-fat 26" though. I'm hoping to have it arranged
>>> by January or so!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, hsmitham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mark it seems like you're a candidate for a plump tire ride 26x4/5??

 Enjoy your Winter Wonderland while I sweat it out.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

 On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 9:19:29 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I woke up this morning to a fresh layer of the white stuff. November
> 19th is really late for snow here, so it's not very surprising. I still 
> had
> the Compass Barlow Pass tires with fenders on my Atlantis, which were not
> going to cut it on the fresh snow and ice. I scrambled to change to some
> 2.1 Thunder Burts and no fenders before work. These were brand new Thunder
> Burts, as I've been using 2.25's all summer. I've rubbed the paint clean
> off the frame and had the wheels grind to a halt a few times because of 
> the
> marginal clearance. The 2.1's have quite a lot of room all around and will
> be a great trail riding tire I think.
>
> Anyway, I rode in to work today. The first snow is always 

[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[drew]

i have a 56 with double top tube. 55 replaced the 56 and eliminated the 
second tube, from what i recall. 



On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 2:23:04 PM UTC-8, Belopolsky wrote:
>
> Trying to make sense of this bike I bought. I am 5'7, I was told it was a 
> 55cm. I seem to fit it fine, if anything I am a bit stretched out on it so 
> I was thinking next season I'd get some pullback bars, but I digress..
>
> Looking at the website again, I see that the 58+ comes with a double tt. 
> Was the 55 ever a double? I saw someone elsewhere online who had a 56cm 
> double..
>
>
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[RBW] Re: A snowy Clem

[David Banzer]

Hi David,
I'm slowly building up my large Clem as well. The blue looks great with 
black components. Any reason why the water bottle cage is upside down? 
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:33:14 PM UTC-6, spru...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Here are a few shots of my Clem out in the snow. I'll take some better 
> pictures later, but I wanted to document how the first build turned out.
>
> This is a 59 cm, blue frame. As others have testified, the ride is plush 
> and stable. I am a bit over 6'3" with short legs and a long torso, and the 
> fit is comfy.
>
> One feature that really grabs my attention is the generous space at the 
> widest point between the tire and seat tube. On this setup, it measures 
> almost 13 cm. The distance really speaks to the long chain stays. By 
> contrast, that same space on my road custom is only 3 cm (and when we 
> discussed the design, Grant commented on the "stretched" chain stays). On 
> my '71 Cinelli and '73 Paramount the corresponding gap is about 3.5 cm. The 
> angle of the seat post and the tire profile must affect this measurement 
> too, but it's one I never really noticed before.
>
> Anyway, here's a link to the pictures:
>
> http://1drv.ms/1luwlOH
>
>
> David Sprunger
>
> Fargo, ND
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

[Patrick Moore]

My freewheel, as far as I could tell, had no prongs or slots for a tool --
the interior was entirely smooth.

Has anyone come across a fw like this?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> I had this experience once, too, back in the mid-90's.  I had a Suntour,
> Shimano, or some kind of FW (can't remember) stuck on an old Campy Record
> hub so badly that I actually stripped the notches out of the FW trying to
> get it loose with the removal tool.  The LBS I took it to guaranteed that
> they could get it off, but would destroy the FW in the process.  I said go
> for it and they did, and it did.  Since then I've used higher quality
> components AND lubed the hub threads with anti-seize compound and have had
> no further problems.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> I'd agree. I had two dicta freewheels. One of them I put on before a CX
>> race to test riding with a 16t freewheel. Within a few laps of hard and wet
>> racing it blew up. The second one I used in winter. It blew up in a couple
>> days. Then I bought a shimano. It's lasted two years so far but I can't use
>> it in the cold as the pawls stick and it spins both ways! The White
>> Industries freewheel I've had for 4 years now hasn't missed a beat once.
>> It's perfect.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> An aside, but related: when I wanted the 16 t fw removed from the back
>>> wheel of my Dahon Hon Solo, having no remover myself I took it to a good
>>> lbs -- Fat Tire. Mechanic said: "The only way to get it off is to destroy
>>> it in a bench vise," which he proceeded to do. Mechanic claimed that such
>>> cheap fws were not meant to be recyclable.
>>>
>>> I had not particular desire to keep that fw, but was he right, or was he
>>> full of a particular unpleasing substance?
>>>
>>> (Bike now has a14 t fixed cog in place.)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone out there know of a "BMX" freewheel removal tool that will work
 well with a Phil Hub?  Unfortunately, the center hole on a commonly used
 tool, like the Park FR-6, is not large enough to slip over the
 larger-than-normal axle caps of the Phil hub.  This means that the axle cap
 on the drive side must first be removed, which is not only an extra PITA,
 but then the removal tool has to sit against the notches on the freewheel
 without benefit of the QR skewer to hold it in place, risking the stripping
 of the FW notches in the process.


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Re: [RBW] Clem Smith fenders?

[Jonathan in Ri]

Tim,
My Clem has 700c / 29 in wheels.

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am going to try these new fenders (just came out this week) from Planet 
Bike:

https://ecom1.planetbike.com/7054-8.html

I was looking for something specific to 650B for optimum fender line. I 
have a pair of the older B65 (with the cutout) that have served me well on 
an old Mt. bike, but are getting a bit dodgy anyway. I will probably give 
them a spray for a fun project later this winter.

I found out about the new Cascadias (these are the PB aluminum series, not 
the polycarbonate plastic) on the 650 forum, and the company sales director 
was kind enough to email me when they became available. I hope they will 
look nice and function well on my 52cm black Clementine!

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 1:10:36 PM UTC-5, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>
> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Clem Smith fenders?

[Jonathan in Ri]

Thank you all for the input. Looks like the SKS P65 are the way to go with 
larger tires.
Clem will be my first bicycle with proper fender clearance and comfy tires.

Jonathan 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Betty Foy 51CM frameset

[Belopolsky]

Beauty..where is this located?

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Re: [RBW] Clem Smith fenders?

[Tim Gavin]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Jonathan in Ri 
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> I meant B65.
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[RBW] A snowy Clem

[William R.]

Great build David, and great photos, the natural lighting really shows the blue 
in it's best... light. Enjoy it. Clem's growing on me too, what a sweet, Riv 
bargain!

Bill in rainy Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Clem Smith fenders?

[Tim Gavin]

Jonathan-

What size wheels does your Clem have?

P65 fenders are for fat 26" tires.
If you have larger, fat tires, and want wider than the P55, the B65
 is the correct size.

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> Thank you all for the input. Looks like the SKS P65 are the way to go with
> larger tires.
> Clem will be my first bicycle with proper fender clearance and comfy tires.
>
> Jonathan
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[RBW] Clem Smith fenders?

[Jonathan in Ri]

I meant B65.

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[RBW] thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm
not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom
currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new
set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you
get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front,
but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a
new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean
11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra
level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the
point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality
parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read
on.

I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm
thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get
more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run
11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps
between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the
cassette would seem to solve this.

Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just
run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of
more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever
reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either
the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's
just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low
double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide
low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of
the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big
ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout
gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the
back.

And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for
12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in
the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 -
59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even
better, of course, nobody will ever make that.

Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of this.

Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the
triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24
Rivendell issue Sugino triple.  But I don't have fenders on the
Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with
700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is.  I could
go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and
nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way.

So back to the 11 on the custom.  Even Rivendell themselves built a
1x11 prototype recently, didn't they?

well anyway just musing.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar

[Kieran J]

Bad. Ass. (!)

With a deposit on two new frames, I c ..c .. can't :-\

KJ


On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 5:23:20 PM UTC-5, benjamin wrote:
>
> 2014 hunqapillar powder coated a dark metallic grey 
> -Chris king black sotto headset 
> -dirt drop and noodle cockpit 
> -Thomson seatpost(but I've also got a silver Nitto post if you'd prefer 
> that) 
> -Shimano levers and bar ends 
> -9 speed xt rear derailleur with 12-36 9 speed cassette 
> -cx70 front derailleur with a 40/26 compact setup(Sugino big/ race face 
> little) but will include a 105 triple derailleur and 46 tooth Sugino ring 
> from its time as a 3x9 
> -175 Sugino cranks/grip king pedals/shimano un bottom bracket 
> -Paul neo-retro cantilevers 
> -Nitto front rack 
> -king iris cage 
> -Grey 2.25 Smart Sam tires(!...had to order these from Australia, don't 
> know if they ever made it to the U.S. Market) 
> -32 spoke Mavic/XT wheel set(higher miles than the rest of the bike, rear 
> hub is pretty crusty and will need to be repacked and/or replaced soon. 
> Front is still nice and both are straight and true. Originally had a dynamo 
> wheelset built for this bike but it's since gone to another project) 
>
> I think that's about it. second owner, bought as a frameset and had a good 
> time building it up. I thought it would be the bike that would keep me from 
> wanting any other bikes but I ended up riding it the least...it always felt 
> too tall for me to be fully comfortable on trails(which is the majority of 
> my riding). Never really been seriously crashed although it has seen its 
> fair share of skids gone wrong and stumps that weren't quite jumped. Really 
> rad bike and it's a bit hard for me to sell but I'm moving into a room next 
> month that's about half the size of my current spot and really trying to 
> not live like a hoarder. 
>
> I'm also somewhat computer illiterate so if this link doesn't work please 
> let me know... 
>
>
> http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/BIGgreyHunqapillar/library/Mobile%20Uploads?sort=2=1
>  
>
>
> Not really sure what to price it at, I was thinking 2200 or best 
> reasonable offer. Located in sf but I can ship at actual cost + the cost of 
> having a shop box it up... give me a call or text if you're interested or 
> have any questions(don't always have access to a computer). Thanks! 
>
> Ben 
> 415 378 6808 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The Tao of the Bosco Bar

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nicely curated!

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 2:26:17 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Bosco bars will make *any* bike more comfortable.   (& a Porteur rack 
> will make it more useful.)   
>
>
> 
>
>
> Stumbled upon this while searching for images showing common relationships 
> between stem length and top tube length, and couldn't resist sharing.
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 6:33:38 PM UTC-6, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Tell me, friends, of all the wondrous ways there are to set up a Bosco 
>> Bar. Photos of setups would be much help. 
>>
>> Thanks folks,
>> D.
>>
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[RBW] Riv riders in northern VT?

[Daniel Jackson]

Anybody out there?  Do you exist? Looking to find some folks for group rides in 
the area. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv riders in northern VT?

[Michael Hechmer]

Sounds great, but I usually stop riding once XC skiing & snowshoeing 
conditions prevail.

Michael
Westford, VT

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:43:37 AM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
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> Anybody out there?  Do you exist? Looking to find some folks for group 
> rides in the area. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nigel Smythe Lil' Loafer in Tweed

[Kieran J]

Still available.

$105 shipped.

KJ


On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:33:36 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
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> Hi All,
>
> I have a Nigel Smythe Lil' Loafer/Small Trunksack for sale. 
> Tweed w/ tan leather trim.
> Comes with the matching green rain cover.
>
> Near mint.
> Pics here. 
> 
>
> $120 shipped.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
> Toronto, Canada
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

[Metin Uz]

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:44:57 PM UTC-8, tarik...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Cheap Dicta and even some cheap shimano's have come like that, I think 
> there is an indian sub manufacturer that makes the inadequate ones. There 
> are also non standard tiny prong 4 prong dicta freewheels, and even two 
> prongs.   I think  you can spin them on remover-side-in if you are not 
> paying attention as well.
>
>
I don't think you can spin on a freewheel with the prongs facing in -- you 
would immediately realize because the ratchet would not let you turn it.

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[RBW] Feeler: 54cm Rambouillet with couplers $1500?

[Beardpapa]

I am considering selling my freshly painted 54cm Rambouillet with 
couplers to fund a new custom build. $1500 plus shipping?

It has a brand new paint job from Austin Paintworks and hasn't been built 
up since the repaint.
Here are some photos from the old silver color. Pic 1 
.
 
Pic 2 
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Pic 3 
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Pic 4 
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Pic 5 
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Pic 6 
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Pic 7 
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Pic 8 
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Here is the repaint in Azure Grey.



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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Dave]

This 56 certainly has a double: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-164.htm

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Christopher Murray]

I like both colors but if I get to choose I don't think it is much of a choice. 
Butterscotch Rivs are amazing!

Super excited,
Chris

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[RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Ron Mc]

ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a 
cliff anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down 
to 23 inches
XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change one 
middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - below 
40 inches, drop to your bail out ring.  

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and 
> love them all.  
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote:
>>
>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs.  IRD 
>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want.
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: 62cm Hunqapillar

[Daniel Jackson]

Hey Ben. What's your height and PBH?

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Re: [RBW] Single Speed Freewheel Removal

[tarik saleh]

Yep, good point, they will thread on there, but not logically, nor work when 
on. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Metin Uz  wrote:
> 
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:44:57 PM UTC-8, tarik...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Cheap Dicta and even some cheap shimano's have come like that, I think there 
>> is an indian sub manufacturer that makes the inadequate ones. There are also 
>> non standard tiny prong 4 prong dicta freewheels, and even two prongs.   I 
>> think  you can spin them on remover-side-in if you are not paying attention 
>> as well.
> 
> I don't think you can spin on a freewheel with the prongs facing in -- you 
> would immediately realize because the ratchet would not let you turn it.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[iamkeith]

Oh great.  I was able to ignore this when they were just going to be 
blue... but butterscotch is a different story altogether.  My all-time 
favorite Rivendell color.   Quick - talk some sense into my head!  I mean, 
there's no possible way I could rationalize the redundancy of this, on top 
of:
>
>
1.  A 26"  All-Rounder with moustache bars & super-fat compass road tires, 
used as a daily rider, but with a set of racks for extended touring
2.  A 700c Rambouillet with noodle drops and jack browns, for quicker road 
rides, long randonneur-type rides and credit card tours.
3.  A new Clem Smith with long chainstays and super-fat knobby tires, for 
(presumably) town crawling and off-road touring 
4.  An old hakkaluggi cyclocross bike with knobby tires, for faster 
off-road rides.

I've got every possible base covered, right?  I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   
I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need 
an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   
I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need 
an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa   

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, the silver SKS works with some bike colors--I have an older set that 
look good on a dark green bike--but they don't go with everything, and I 
imagine they would look cheapish on a black Clementine. As for the 
pinstriping, my 45s are at least 6 or 7 years old, and my 65s are around 
that timeframe too, and both have the pinstripes. I don't think that is a 
terribly new feature. At least some of the lines are reflective, so it 
serves a safety purpose.


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>
> I'm having fender dilemmas, mainly because I'm picky when it comes to 
> fender appearance. The first set I tried was the B65 in silver (my Clem is 
> 700c), and while they fit well over the stock 29x2.0, they looked awful, 
> and huge.  Maybe the long stays expose the rear tire more but the fenders 
> seemed to dominate the appearance. Also, the new SKS's have pin stripping 
> down the centre and I just wasn't digging it, it could have also been the 
> silver wasn't playing well with the grey paint. For some reason I then 
> tried the silver p55's, and while they are marketed as a 26" fender, riv 
> recommends them for 29" up to a 2.0. They were barely wide enough to cover 
> the tread and being a 26, longboard or not, they were just too short. And 
> again, the pinstriping. I was willing to settle on the p55 as I have plans 
> to try out the new soma 42c gumwall and thought it was a good fit, but they 
> just weren't looking right. Both of those sets are going back and I'm going 
> to try some black planet bike cascadia 29ers.  Hoping they look decent and 
> are full coverage. Sigh.

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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Bill Lindsay]

Nice find Joe.  That IRD 11-speed 12-32 only misses the 16t (and actually 
none of their 11sp cassettes have a 16).  What Jim gains by losing the 16 
is a very smooth 19/21/23/25 progression before the 28/32 jumps.  

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-8, jbartoe wrote:
>
> Yes!
>
>
> http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/11-speed-elite-cassette-shimano-compatible
>
> Joe
>
> Joe Bartoe
> Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
> email: j...@synapticcycles.com 
> website: www.synapticcycles.com
> Twitter: @synapticcycles
> phone: 949-374-6079
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[RBW] Clem Smith fenders?

[Tim Wood]

I'm having fender dilemmas, mainly because I'm picky when it comes to fender 
appearance. The first set I tried was the B65 in silver (my Clem is 700c), and 
while they fit well over the stock 29x2.0, they looked awful, and huge.  Maybe 
the long stays expose the rear tire more but the fenders seemed to dominate the 
appearance. Also, the new SKS's have pin stripping down the centre and I just 
wasn't digging it, it could have also been the silver wasn't playing well with 
the grey paint. For some reason I then tried the silver p55's, and while they 
are marketed as a 26" fender, riv recommends them for 29" up to a 2.0. They 
were barely wide enough to cover the tread and being a 26, longboard or not, 
they were just too short. And again, the pinstriping. I was willing to settle 
on the p55 as I have plans to try out the new soma 42c gumwall and thought it 
was a good fit, but they just weren't looking right. Both of those sets are 
going back and I'm going to try some black planet bike cascadia 29ers.  Hoping 
they look decent and are full coverage. Sigh.

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Re: [RBW] Anyone order a Joe?

[Jim Bronson]

They should rename this group the Rivendell Buyers Club.
On Oct 30, 2015 5:42 PM, "Christopher Murray" 
wrote:

> Looking over the Joe Appaloosa on the Blug and it looks like a great bike.
> The pre-order price is a great deal. Anyone pull the trigger and order one?
> I am guessing they won't last long- only 4 55cms left!!!
>
> I missed the Clem but am thinking seriously about this one.
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Lungimsam]

The canti-bility makes it interesting to me as I will only buy a cantibrake 
bike for me next bike if I have a say about it.

But the first pic I saw makes the st look short. Are these intended to be 
shortie seat tube bikes or is it just the pic making it look that way?

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Re: [RBW] Re: A snowy Clem

[David Sprunger]

David,
I have a little storage pod that fits in a water bottle cage. I use it to
hold my phone and wallet sometimes, so I inverted the cage to make sure it
doesn't somehow flop free.
David


On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:45 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Hi David,
> I'm slowly building up my large Clem as well. The blue looks great with
> black components. Any reason why the water bottle cage is upside down?
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:33:14 PM UTC-6, spru...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Here are a few shots of my Clem out in the snow. I'll take some better
>> pictures later, but I wanted to document how the first build turned out.
>>
>> This is a 59 cm, blue frame. As others have testified, the ride is plush
>> and stable. I am a bit over 6'3" with short legs and a long torso, and the
>> fit is comfy.
>>
>> One feature that really grabs my attention is the generous space at the
>> widest point between the tire and seat tube. On this setup, it measures
>> almost 13 cm. The distance really speaks to the long chain stays. By
>> contrast, that same space on my road custom is only 3 cm (and when we
>> discussed the design, Grant commented on the "stretched" chain stays). On
>> my '71 Cinelli and '73 Paramount the corresponding gap is about 3.5 cm. The
>> angle of the seat post and the tire profile must affect this measurement
>> too, but it's one I never really noticed before.
>>
>> Anyway, here's a link to the pictures:
>>
>> http://1drv.ms/1luwlOH
>>
>>
>> David Sprunger
>>
>> Fargo, ND
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar

[benjamin]

http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/BIGgreyHunqapillar/library/hunqapillar%20for%20sale?sort=2=1

^^^hopefully this link works

Forgot to add that the pictured saddle isn't included in the sale and that the 
bike will come with the original headbadge.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, but are any of those other ones butterscotch? That is a seriously 
really really nice color for an Appaloosa. I've used the color category 
once or twice to justify an n + 1. Just sayin'.

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 10:47:32 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Oh great.  I was able to ignore this when they were just going to be 
> blue... but butterscotch is a different story altogether.  My all-time 
> favorite Rivendell color.   Quick - talk some sense into my head!  I mean, 
> there's no possible way I could rationalize the redundancy of this, on top 
> of:
>>
>>
> 1.  A 26"  All-Rounder with moustache bars & super-fat compass road tires, 
> used as a daily rider, but with a set of racks for extended touring
> 2.  A 700c Rambouillet with noodle drops and jack browns, for quicker road 
> rides, long randonneur-type rides and credit card tours.
> 3.  A new Clem Smith with long chainstays and super-fat knobby tires, for 
> (presumably) town crawling and off-road touring 
> 4.  An old hakkaluggi cyclocross bike with knobby tires, for faster 
> off-road rides.
>
> I've got every possible base covered, right?  I do NOT need an Appaloosa. 
>   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need 
> an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   
> I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need 
> an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa   
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[James Warren]

That's correct. One little detail: when they were single-color orange and some 
came with cantis and some came with sidepulls in 2010, the 2TT started to 
appear on the 60's but not yet the 56's. I remember because when I bought mine 
at the end of that year, my thinking was, "ooh, I can still get a 1TT 60 even 
though the 2TT is on the grow." Sometime after that, a new batch came along 
where both the 56's and 60's were 2TT, and that's when it became clear that Riv 
was serious about these 2TT's!. (And of course, 64's were always 2TT.)

The Web Special one right now is sweet, because it's orange but with cream 
headtube. That's a bit rare. (But Manny has one!) At $1150, I'm surprised that 
hasn't sold yet. Deal!

-Jim W.


On Nov 19, 2015, at 5:59 PM, drew wrote:

> i had to look up "antedate", but i think that is right. 
> 
> i think it went:
> -all sams w/o dbl tt
> -56 and up w/ dbl tt
> -58 and up w/ dbl tt
> 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Bill Lindsay]

I might actually literally faint.  A butterscotch Rivendell is a bucket 
list item for me.  I already ordered a Joe and was resigned to it being a 
nice blue.  Now the thought that I can choose my Joe to be 
butterscotch*just...give 
me a moment..*

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 7:47:32 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Oh great.  I was able to ignore this when they were just going to be 
> blue... but butterscotch is a different story altogether.  My all-time 
> favorite Rivendell color.   Quick - talk some sense into my head!  I mean, 
> there's no possible way I could rationalize the redundancy of this, on top 
> of:
>>
>>
> 1.  A 26"  All-Rounder with moustache bars & super-fat compass road tires, 
> used as a daily rider, but with a set of racks for extended touring
> 2.  A 700c Rambouillet with noodle drops and jack browns, for quicker road 
> rides, long randonneur-type rides and credit card tours.
> 3.  A new Clem Smith with long chainstays and super-fat knobby tires, for 
> (presumably) town crawling and off-road touring 
> 4.  An old hakkaluggi cyclocross bike with knobby tires, for faster 
> off-road rides.
>
> I've got every possible base covered, right?  I do NOT need an Appaloosa. 
>   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need 
> an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   
> I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need 
> an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa   
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Lynne Cooney]

I was chanting a similar "I do not need a Twenty" the other day. Also "I do 
not need an Appaloosa" and "I do not need an Atlantis."

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 7:47:32 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Oh great.  I was able to ignore this when they were just going to be 
> blue... but butterscotch is a different story altogether.  My all-time 
> favorite Rivendell color.   Quick - talk some sense into my head!  I mean, 
> there's no possible way I could rationalize the redundancy of this, on top 
> of:
>>
>>
> 1.  A 26"  All-Rounder with moustache bars & super-fat compass road tires, 
> used as a daily rider, but with a set of racks for extended touring
> 2.  A 700c Rambouillet with noodle drops and jack browns, for quicker road 
> rides, long randonneur-type rides and credit card tours.
> 3.  A new Clem Smith with long chainstays and super-fat knobby tires, for 
> (presumably) town crawling and off-road touring 
> 4.  An old hakkaluggi cyclocross bike with knobby tires, for faster 
> off-road rides.
>
> I've got every possible base covered, right?  I do NOT need an Appaloosa. 
>   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need 
> an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   
> I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need 
> an Appaloosa.   I do NOT need an Appaloosa   
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Blue Clementine

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I wonder if the frame-onlys were in a different batch and hence got a different 
color.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abcyclehank
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:09 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Blue Clementine

Recently received a frame only Clementine for my wife and it is not the 
prototype turquoise either.  Beautiful but not what I expected.  I am sure my 
wife will love it regardless, just one of life's little mysteries.

Ryan
North Muskegon, MI 

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[RBW] FS: 650b Tires - Paselas, Big Bens, Vee Rubber Speedsters

[David Banzer]

Came to the conclusion on my commute this morning that Clem can fill my 
larger tire needs and I should turn my Redwood back into the 700c wheeled 
bike it was intended to be and not get by with 1mm clearance at the 
chainstays with large 650b tires. On the plus side, my wife's 650b mixte 
conversion will now get a nice wheelset.
So selling off the 650b tires that I don't need.
Prices do not include shipping on these - Paselas and Big Bens are wire 
beads so local pickup encouraged on those, but can ship folded in thirds.

Panaracer Paselas - 42mm, PT version, wire beads, tan sidewalls, used very 
lightly - $45 for the pair
Schwalbe Big Bens - 650bx50, I believe these measure out to 48mm actual - 
these ones from Riv: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tben-10122.htm - new, 
never mounted - $35 for the pair
Vee Rubber Speedsters - 47mm actual width on A23 rims - used, lots of tread 
on these, nice gravel tires, roll decent on pavement but really shine 
offroad - $55 for the pair

Contact me offlist if you can.
Paypal Personal payment preferred for these tires.
I can add any items from my webstore as well: treetop.bigcartel.com - can 
work out a shipping deal if you'd like anything from there.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Getting to be that time of year...

[Deacon Patrick]

I should have gotten the red ventile jacket and red "blue bonnet." Shrug. 
Grin. Of course with the 50+mph cross winds whipping up snow, nobody could 
see me and I couldn't see nobody! Sardonic grin. May be time to get a pair 
of goggles.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 7:08:06 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> With that growing beard, Patrick, I can almost see it in the Colorado 
> Springs newspapers... *More confirmed Pikes Peak sightings of Santa 
> Claus... **on a BICYCLE?*  
>
> Seasons Greetings (a week early),
>
> BB
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[RBW] Re: Blue Clementine

[Montclair BobbyB]

Gray-blue?  Turquoise?  I don't care... I just want to be adopted into the 
Allingham family.

That looks REALLY comfy, Tom.  Nice!!

BB
On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 4:45:41 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> Got my Clementine frame and began the build, pic attached.  The blue is 
> nothing like the turquoise-y color of the prototypes – it's much more 
> gray-blue, very similar to the blue Hillborne color.  Very classy and 
> attractive, but I suspect my wife (for whom this is destined to be a 
> Christmas gift) would have preferred the turquoise.  Oh well – donees can't 
> be choosers, or something like that.  The bike is really cool, whatever the 
> color.
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[RBW] Re: Getting to be that time of year...

[Montclair BobbyB]

With that growing beard, Patrick, I can almost see it in the Colorado 
Springs newspapers... *More confirmed Pikes Peak sightings of Santa 
Claus... **on a BICYCLE?*  

Seasons Greetings (a week early),

BB

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 3:54:49 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Och! Nae worries. I love the extra adventure per mile! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I saw on the news last night that you folks got dumped on - 16", 
>> they said.  My son (Colo. Springs) said he had a 3-ft. drift in front of 
>> his garage this morning.  Please keep all of that stuff out there, please!
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:23:40 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> … when a :45 minute ride takes 2:15. Sardonic grin. 
>>>
>>> With abandon, 
>>> Patrick 
>>>
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>>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Blue Clementine

[Lynne Cooney]

Despite owning a Retrovelo, which is a beautiful lugged loop frame with Fat 
Franks, I want a Clementine! It's beautiful.

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:45:41 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> Got my Clementine frame and began the build, pic attached.  The blue is 
> nothing like the turquoise-y color of the prototypes – it's much more 
> gray-blue, very similar to the blue Hillborne color.  Very classy and 
> attractive, but I suspect my wife (for whom this is destined to be a 
> Christmas gift) would have preferred the turquoise.  Oh well – donees can't 
> be choosers, or something like that.  The bike is really cool, whatever the 
> color.
>
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[RBW] Well, it finally happened

[Mark Reimer]

I woke up this morning to a fresh layer of the white stuff. November 19th 
is really late for snow here, so it's not very surprising. I still had the 
Compass Barlow Pass tires with fenders on my Atlantis, which were not going 
to cut it on the fresh snow and ice. I scrambled to change to some 2.1 
Thunder Burts and no fenders before work. These were brand new Thunder 
Burts, as I've been using 2.25's all summer. I've rubbed the paint clean 
off the frame and had the wheels grind to a halt a few times because of the 
marginal clearance. The 2.1's have quite a lot of room all around and will 
be a great trail riding tire I think. 

Anyway, I rode in to work today. The first snow is always absurd. All the 
drivers forget how to drive in snow, and being anywhere near a cyclist 
causes absolute panic. Thankfully I made it in safely. It was even kinda 
fun... :)







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[RBW] Re: Getting to be that time of year...

[Mark Reimer]

Hah, you and I post basically the same thing today! Looks like you have WAY 
more snow than I do at the moment. But that's ok... you can win volume of 
snow. I'll win for brutally cold temperatures. We both win for continuing 
to ride and having fun in the snow

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:23:40 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> … when a :45 minute ride takes 2:15. Sardonic grin. 
>
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> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
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[RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[hsmitham]

Mark it seems like you're a candidate for a plump tire ride 26x4/5??

Enjoy your Winter Wonderland while I sweat it out. 

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 9:19:29 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I woke up this morning to a fresh layer of the white stuff. November 19th 
> is really late for snow here, so it's not very surprising. I still had the 
> Compass Barlow Pass tires with fenders on my Atlantis, which were not going 
> to cut it on the fresh snow and ice. I scrambled to change to some 2.1 
> Thunder Burts and no fenders before work. These were brand new Thunder 
> Burts, as I've been using 2.25's all summer. I've rubbed the paint clean 
> off the frame and had the wheels grind to a halt a few times because of the 
> marginal clearance. The 2.1's have quite a lot of room all around and will 
> be a great trail riding tire I think. 
>
> Anyway, I rode in to work today. The first snow is always absurd. All the 
> drivers forget how to drive in snow, and being anywhere near a cyclist 
> causes absolute panic. Thankfully I made it in safely. It was even kinda 
> fun... :)
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Mark Reimer]

I've been working on selling some road bike stuff to fund the purchase of a
Crust Evasion frame - it's a new company a friend of mine has just
launched. It's built around a 26" x 3" tire. There is a second model coming
out in January that fits a full 4" fat tire, or 27.5x3", or standard 29er.
I'm pretty keen on the mid-fat 26" though. I'm hoping to have it arranged
by January or so!

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Mark it seems like you're a candidate for a plump tire ride 26x4/5??
>
> Enjoy your Winter Wonderland while I sweat it out.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 9:19:29 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> I woke up this morning to a fresh layer of the white stuff. November 19th
>> is really late for snow here, so it's not very surprising. I still had the
>> Compass Barlow Pass tires with fenders on my Atlantis, which were not going
>> to cut it on the fresh snow and ice. I scrambled to change to some 2.1
>> Thunder Burts and no fenders before work. These were brand new Thunder
>> Burts, as I've been using 2.25's all summer. I've rubbed the paint clean
>> off the frame and had the wheels grind to a halt a few times because of the
>> marginal clearance. The 2.1's have quite a lot of room all around and will
>> be a great trail riding tire I think.
>>
>> Anyway, I rode in to work today. The first snow is always absurd. All the
>> drivers forget how to drive in snow, and being anywhere near a cyclist
>> causes absolute panic. Thankfully I made it in safely. It was even kinda
>> fun... :)
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Tim Gavin]

Mark - Nice ride!  How were the Thunder Burts in the snow?  I will set up
my KOM (rigid 26er) with 2.1" TBs (the frame is at the powder coater now).

Hugh - I commuted last year on a fat bike with 26 x 4.25" studded tires; it
was a great success.  Here in Iowa, we're forecasted to get our first snow
tomorrow afternoon.  I'm going to ride the fat bike in and hope for an inch
of fresh powder (and thankfully, a tailwind) for the ride home

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Mark it seems like you're a candidate for a plump tire ride 26x4/5??
>
> Enjoy your Winter Wonderland while I sweat it out.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Well, it finally happened

[Mark Reimer]

So far so good! Last year I had WTB Nano 2.1's all winter and I love them.
But the TB's have been soo nice all summer, so I anticipate good
things. Nice aggressive side knobs for fast trails, but light and fast
rolling with a smooth center tread for when I'm on exposed pavement and ice

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> Mark - Nice ride!  How were the Thunder Burts in the snow?  I will set up
> my KOM (rigid 26er) with 2.1" TBs (the frame is at the powder coater now).
>
> Hugh - I commuted last year on a fat bike with 26 x 4.25" studded tires;
> it was a great success.  Here in Iowa, we're forecasted to get our first
> snow tomorrow afternoon.  I'm going to ride the fat bike in and hope for an
> inch of fresh powder (and thankfully, a tailwind) for the ride home
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, hsmitham  wrote:
>
>> Mark it seems like you're a candidate for a plump tire ride 26x4/5??
>>
>> Enjoy your Winter Wonderland while I sweat it out.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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