[RBW] Re: FS: Marks Rack, TRP & Shimano Road Brake Levers, Soma Highway 1, Nitto Technomic Deluxe & VO Stem

[Philip Kim]

Update on what is left:

Selling a brand new Marks Rack, only fitted on my bike and taken off, came 
with a few extra tangs for some reason $130 shipped

Shimano 105 Aero levers, used in great shape -  $25 shipped (pending sale)

Soma Highway 1 bars 26.0 clamp, 46cm wide, barely used $40 + shipping (it 
should be around $10) (pending sale)

Nitto Technomic Deluxe (Tallux), 80mm extension, 26.0 clamp, hardly used 
$60 shipped 


Please message offline, and I can send pictures too.

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RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: Protovelo Appaloosa on SF bay area craigslist

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

This is obviously a Mystery Bike.  I have one.  It's a really awesome bicycle.  
Someone buy this!

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Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:23 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: PSA: Protovelo Appaloosa on SF bay area craigslist

"I was gifted this bike by the original owner for some work I did for him ~ but 
have no room for it at my place."

There's a story here.  How many could have landed in San Francisco?  If 
someone's serious they should be able to track down its history.  Serial number 
off the BB shell, call Rivendell.  If you like yellow, looks like a nice bike 
at a decent price.  Immediately available.  Jim has good points regarding the 
details.

dougP

On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 5:12:37 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/5348378811.html

For those of you who just can't wait for the new one or liked the original Joe 
better.  Is this someone on the list?

John
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[RBW] Re: Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[MartyG]

More pics here for those who like details:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157661387558919

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[RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

[mike gasparino]

TA zephyr crankset 110/74 BCD and also had a set of 58 BCD holes.
177.5mm crankarm length
Cosmetic condition is great. They are used but still beautiful!
All tapers and threads are perfect, except for the pedal threads on the 
non-driveside crank. When pedals were first installed, the nondriveside pedal 
got cross threaded initially and so the first few threads of the crank are 
damaged.  However, there are still more than enough threads remaining, and the 
pedal will tighten up on the arm, so there is no real functional impact.  Of 
course, a repair could be effected by inserting a helicoil, if necessary, but I 
think you will find that the crank will function perfectly as is.
Phil Wood BB JIS taper in the proper 125mm length, with the drive side offset 
+2.5mm, as is recommended for these cranks. Crank bolts and cups included.bb in 
great shape!
TA zephyr 48/36 outer and middle chainrings. Decent shape. Still have plenty of 
life left. 
Sugino 26 inner chainring. Basically new. 

Truly a fantastic set up I had on my Atlantis with a 9 speed drivetrain. $400 
shipped for the lot. Email for pictures. magaspa...@gmail.com 
Thanks 

Michael 

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[RBW] FS: compass Barlow pass extra light 700x38 tires. W/tubes. 30 miles

[mike gasparino]

Email correction. magaspa...@gmail.com*

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[RBW] FS 60 cm Betty Foy with great build

[David B.]

I'm selling my 60 cm Betty Foy I commuted on before I retired. Standard Riv 
build with Brooks B 17 Select saddle. It has a Peter White built Schmidt 
hub and Lumotech head and tail lights. Silver thumb shifters with Paul 
brackets. Velo Orange porteur front rack and metal fenders.  Pletscher twin 
kickstand. Riv Gripster pedals. Schwalbe Marathon tires and Compass tires 
(that's two sets.) I'll send photos and will answer questions to anyone 
interested. Price $2,000.00. I'll pay the first $50.00 shipping, you pay 
the rest (or pick up in Atlanta). Given the extras, especially the dynohub, 
I think this is a great price.
E-mail me at dbundric (at) gmail dotcom.

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Re: [RBW] (OT) NEED PORTABLE ELECTRIC shop HEATER SUGGESTIONS

[masmojo]

I second the oil filled heater recommendation,  good & fairly safe because 
there is no exposed heating element. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Protovelo Appaloosa on SF bay area craigslist

[Kieran J]

That bike is a giant ray of sunshine. So cheerful!

That C17 needs to come off and the B68 needs to go back on. For 
poster(ior)ity! 

KJ


On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 8:12:37 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/5348378811.html
>
> For those of you who just can't wait for the new one or liked the original 
> Joe better.  Is this someone on the list?
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[Thom Goodmann]

A great find, indeed! A bike under the tree was--twin Schwinn 
Stingrays--was the happiest Christmas morning for my brother and me one 
year.   These days I ride my Heron Touring (an eBay purchase) nearly every 
day; it fits me perfectly.  I have NOS Heron Road frame yet to build up, as 
well.  Thanks for story, and the additional photos.  --Tom

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 8:44:58 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
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> More pics here for those who like details:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157661387558919
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: Protovelo Appaloosa on SF bay area craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

It is indeed a Mystery Bike, and that color is fabulous. Get on it, Bay 
Area..this bicycle belongs in the hands of a list member (too big for me).

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Protovelo Appaloosa on SF bay area craigslist

[Philip Kim]

those stays are swee

On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 8:12:37 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/5348378811.html
>
> For those of you who just can't wait for the new one or liked the original 
> Joe better.  Is this someone on the list?
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Marks Rack, TRP & Shimano Road Brake Levers, Soma Highway 1, Nitto Technomic Deluxe & VO Stem

[Philip Kim]

more updates on what is left

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 10:13:05 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Finally got my bike situation situated and finally happy with how the 
>> bikes are set up. Clearing out everything not on my current bikes
>>
>>
>> Selling a brand new Marks Rack, only fitted on my bike and taken off, 
>> came with a few extra tangs for some reason $130 shipped
>>
>> Shimano 105 Aero levers, used in great shape -  $25 shipped (sold)
>>
>> TRP RRL Drilled Black brake hoods, like new - $50 shipped (sold)
>>
>> Soma Highway 1 bars 26.0 clamp, 46cm wide, barely used $40 + shipping (it 
>> should be around $10) (sold)
>>
>> Velo Orange threadless stem 80mm 26.0 clamp, +/- 6 degrees rise, only 
>> like 140g, hardly used, $25 shipped (sold)
>>
>> Nitto Technomic Deluxe (Tallux) 100 quill height (from insertion line), 
>> 80mm extension, 26.0 clamp, bought it for $73 on BensCycles, hardly used 
>> $60 shipped 
>>
>> Maroon Newbaums Cloth tape, 2 rolls, bought extra and never used these 2 
>> rolls, $10 shipped (sold)
>>
>>
>>
>> Please message offline, and I can send pictures too.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: (OT) NEED PORTABLE ELECTRIC shop HEATER SUGGESTIONS

[JohnS]

FWIW, I would recommend some sort of insulation for you to stand on, it can 
be as simple as flattened cardboard boxes or as fancy as foam rubber mats. 
I've used both and they've helped to make it more comfortable to work in my 
un-heated garage. I also used a heat lamp from Harbor Freight but the bulb 
burned out and I haven't been able to find a replacement.

Good luck,
JohnS


On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:51:04 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:

> My shop is about 12x20.
> I'm looking for a GOOD ,not burn your shop down portable heater to use 
> while working on my bikes.
> It will only be plugged in while I'm present.
> I'm sure there are plenty of China made heater crap out there.
> Any of you have one you have experience using?
> Thanks in advance.
> Jon
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[iamkeith]

I can't speak from direct experience related to the Bombadil, but maybe 
this helps.  

>From what I understand, the bike actually preceded the tires - though not 
by a long timeframe.   Kirk Pacenti designed the neo moto, and then the 
quasi moto, directly in *response* to the Bombadil and some persuasive 
conversations he'd had with Grant.  So if you have a REALLY early model, I 
could understand how the clearance be minimal.  Since it was originally 
conceived as a bike "in the spirit of a 1985 mountain bike," and since 
mountain bike tires were only 1.75" wide back then, it probably made sense. 
  I know that later frames have increased in terms of their available 
clearance.  There are other images circulating of what is described as a 
test model, fitted with neo motos (which you've probably seen), and it does 
seem to have more clearance than yours - though its  hard to tell for sure. 
  Perhaps this was a first revision - before they did the batch of 
clearcoat frames?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/2417452065/in/photostream/

The other theory I had doesn't seem to apply to your frame:  Just like your 
bike, the seat-stay bridge is also the point of least clearance on my 
All-Rounder.  But on mine, the builder used one that was drilled for 
caliper brake mounting, even though the bike uses canti brakes.  In my 
case, I've assumed that it was (consciously or unconsciously) located where 
needed to provide the option of switching the brake-types, based on 
longest-reach brakes available at the time. But, unless I'm seeing it 
wrong, yours doesn't look like it is meant for that.

Even though it's tight, I personally would have no issues using it with the 
clearance you're showing.   I'd just avoid gumbo mud, which I try to do 
anyway.   If you're interested, I can post a picture of the modification I 
recently made to my fender, to allow it to clear the stay and still let me 
run an oversize tire. 

On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 9:00:54 PM UTC-7, Chad wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if I have a odd duck here or not, but tire clearance on my 
> early double top tube 650b Bombadil is really tight.  With a 650b x 2.0 
> Quasi-Moto (actual width Is about 53mm on a Velocity Synergy rim), there is 
> maybe 3-4mm clearance at the seat stay bridge.  Enough for the tire to roll 
> through but not much room for mud or rocks.  I was thinking the Bombadil 
> was designed to fit the quasi-Motos as there are pictures of early 
> prototypes running around with this tire.  I've also run the Schwalbe HS 
> 315 "Fatties" (true width 47mm) and Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads (44mm), but 
> it would be nice to fit at least a modern 27.5 x 2.1 MTB tire in there. 
>  Just wondering if anyone else here has experienced this challenge? 
> https://flic.kr/p/Bsyew9

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Re: [RBW] Re: (OT) NEED PORTABLE ELECTRIC shop HEATER SUGGESTIONS

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/07/2015 11:27 AM, JohnS wrote:
FWIW, I would recommend some sort of insulation for you to stand on, 
it can be as simple as flattened cardboard boxes or as fancy as foam 
rubber mats.


Or a nice piece of carpet?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[William R.]

Hi Andrew. Short answer is no. The only thing close to the final Joe Apploosa 
that we will get in Feb/March is the 55cm Proto Appaloosa that was featured in 
the Blug announcement. And that frames geo doesn't really correspond to the 
final geo provided. If I were close enough to Riv HQ I think you could go test 
a Cheviot for long chain stay feel and a Sam for size and they would give you a 
pretty good idea.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[Michael Hechmer]

I couldn't agree more.  A canti Hilsen, or perhaps more exactly, a 
prototype Saluki.  I have never quite understood why GP has moved away from 
canti brake designs.  My experience has been that good brakes set up & work 
better than budget brakes, no matter the style; but for wide tires on a 
road bike good cantis give the best fender and tire clearance, and good 
cantis have great stopping power.

Michael

On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 1:37:26 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Those Heron Tourings are great frames. Basically canti-Hilsens, maybe just 
> a bit stouter (but maybe not.) I only traded mine away, because it wasn't 
> the perfect size.
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2015, at 8:46 AM, MartyG wrote:
>
>
> Took the grandkids to see Santa last night, and came across a beautiful 
> Heron Touring rig on CL this morning only 10 miles from home! It's a 
> Christmas miracle!  Not my size, but should fit my wife nicely. Amazing mix 
> of parts: TA Zephyr crankset, Phil rear hub, XTR front hub, Brooks B17, 
> Caradice Super C panniers to name a few. Santas elves had fun putting this 
> one together years ago! I'll get to the clean-up and post more pics after a 
> long Winters nap...
>
>
> 
>  
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Garth]

   I would never say that any Riv frames are designed around X tires , 
that's simply limiting. The clearances are like a balance between chainring 
sizes and the bend of the stays, chainstay length and the intention of 
designer. Meaning, it's all art ! 

   Even with a frame design , each one is unique to that particular builder 
so there will always be slight variances of some kind.  So your frames 
clearances simply are what they are.  Rivendell may design the frames and 
even furnish some lugs, but to have them built they are like a contractor 
of sorts in relationship with builders around the world, not unlike other 
companies. 


  In regards to what iamkeith said about the early mtb's , they did come 
with 1.95" tires even in 1982 . My 1983 Stumpjumper Sport came with the 
original "Stumpumper" tires that I believe were 1.95" and when I wore them 
out I replaced them with Crossroads 1.95" . I used a max tire of 2.05 on 
it, a Vittoria Free Climb. The rims were the by todays standards "quite 
wide" Araya 7x which I believe were 32+mm's so the tires mounted fairly 
true to size. No problems with clearance . I suspect the 26x1.75 written on 
the Araya may have been a source of confusion as this referred to the 
smallest recommended tire , though I ran Tricross 1.5's on and off no 
problemo. 

Those Stumpjumper frames were brilliant in the design of the chainstays and 
clearance and could have easily been reconfigured today to use wider tires 
and still have clearance for even "low q" triple cranks like the Sugino AT 
and TA Cyclotourist whihch came on the Sport($495 model) and 
Stumpjumper($750).  Our early Bombadils could have used a design like that 
! I always considered the Bomba the fit and ride I always wished the 
Stumpjumpers had because they were quite bad in that way. 




On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 11:00:54 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if I have a odd duck here or not, but tire clearance on my 
> early double top tube 650b Bombadil is really tight.  With a 650b x 2.0 
> Quasi-Moto (actual width Is about 53mm on a Velocity Synergy rim), there is 
> maybe 3-4mm clearance at the seat stay bridge.  Enough for the tire to roll 
> through but not much room for mud or rocks.  I was thinking the Bombadil 
> was designed to fit the quasi-Motos as there are pictures of early 
> prototypes running around with this tire.  I've also run the Schwalbe HS 
> 315 "Fatties" (true width 47mm) and Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads (44mm), but 
> it would be nice to fit at least a modern 27.5 x 2.1 MTB tire in there. 
>  Just wondering if anyone else here has experienced this challenge? 
> https://flic.kr/p/Bsyew9

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[RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

[mike gasparino]

I can also throw in some basically brand new mks ar-2 pedals as well!

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[RBW] FS: compass Barlow pass extra light 700x38 tires. W/tubes. 30 miles

[mike gasparino]

Price reduced to $125

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv 12-40 cassette

[Jim Bronson]

I dunno about that.  Maybe it's not possible to overthink gearing, but it's
possible to spend too much time thinking about the gearing on your bike
when one should be thinking about more pressing things, like work, family
member's cancer treatment, pregnant wife, house maintenance, volunteer
obligations, etc, etc...

It's a guilty pleasure to obsess over your bicycle configuration, one that
I partake of quite frequently...

Oh well :)

Jim
On Dec 6, 2015 6:07 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/06/2015 06:49 PM, dougP wrote:
>
>> Interesting.  I thought maybe it was a mis-print. Grant has mentioned
>> that we tend to over-think gearing but it seems this cassette could be
>> improved with a more thoughtful cog selection.  A 4 tooth jump, another 4
>> tooth jump, then a 3 tooth jump, followed by 6?  Hmmaybe I'm
>> missing something?
>>
>
> I agree, normally the gaps continue to get larger the farther down the
> cassette you go, and this doesn't seem to make any kind of sense other than
> possibly simple expediency due to availability.  And IMHO it is virtually
> impossible to over-think gearing.
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[RBW] Re: FS - Bunch of stuff from switching bikes and builds. Bags, handlebars, wheels, tires.

[RJM]

The medium SaddleSack has been sold. 

On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 9:34:46 AM UTC-6, RJM wrote:
>
> I recently sold a Sam Hillborne and bought an Atlantis and am building 
> that up to be a full on super touring bike so I have parts from those two 
> builds to sell...all so I can buy a bunch of other parts. It really is a 
> wonderful hobby. ;)
>
> Rich built 650b wheelset 1 -  Velocity Dyad rims, Phil "Rivy" freewheel 
> hubs, Shimano freewheel that Riv used to sell. This wheelset saw about a 
> years worth of general riding and I wasn't commuting then, so it is still 
> in top notch shape. 36 spokes front and rear on this one. It's a really 
> nice looking wheelset with those hubs and rims. $375
>
> Rich built 650b wheelset 2 - Velocity Synergy Rims with LX hubs. 32 spokes 
> on this one. Still in very good condition and true. I don't currently have 
> a cassette on this set so it will just come as the wheelset. $300
>
> Medium SaddleSack Olive - This is in nice shape. I recently bought this 
> off a list member but realized I'm just not going to use it. Selling for 
> what I paid. It has some marks on the bottom leather strip from sitting on 
> a rack, and some slight discoloration on the flap which I don't even think 
> I can get on camera because it is so faint. All the straps and zippers are 
> still good. $140
>
> Small TrunkSack Olive - Makes an excellent small rack bag. This one is 
> still in nice shape with a few cosmetic marks and some discoloration but 
> functioning 100% and still nice looking - $75
>
> Large TrunkSack Olive - This has the little info plate riveted to the bag 
> instead of a patch sewn on...like in the pictures on rivbike.com for the 
> large trunksack. This one is still in good shape with no holes or rips, 
> ect. It does have use marks where it was sitting on a rack and a little 
> discoloration but nothing major.  - $75
>
> Sackville Mark's ToolWrap Olive -  Some discoloration from being used but 
> nothing major. Works 100% - $25
>
> Compass Stampede Pass tires standard, pair - Still have at least 80-85% of 
> tread left. I ran these for about a month and wound up switching to a 
> different wheelset and tire combo. $60
>
> Albastache bars - came on the Atlantis but I'm going to be using drops. 
> Nice and light bar. - $60
>
> Nitto mini front rack - also came on the Atlantis but I'm going to be 
> going for a large front rack instead. - Functions and looks fine, no rust. 
> $75
>
> Nitto Albatross bar setup. - this setup is like new. I've installed it 
> onto a bike but never rode that bike. Shimano MTB brake levers, CroMo 
> Albatross bars, Meisha cork grips which have been shellacked, Nitto Tallux 
> 11cm stem - $125
>
> Nitto Noodle bar setup for V-brakes - 41cm Nitto Noodles, 7cm Nitto 
> Technomic stem, Tectro road v-brake levers, bar end Silver Shifters and 
> wrapped with white Newbaums and shellacked to match a tan brooks saddle. 
> Nice looking setup and totally functional. - $135
>
>
> If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. I have not yet 
> taken any pictures of these items, but I will and will include a link when 
> I get done being a photographer. *All these prices are marked with 
> shipping included* to CONUS. I can take payment via paypal, check, money 
> order (with a short wait for bank clearing) and will ship as soon as 
> possible. In time I will probably add more items to this list as I dig them 
> out of the bike room so stay tuned. 
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Re: [RBW] Texas Rivendell Riders

[Jim Bronson]

Rivendell bicycling pub crawl anyone?  I've done a riding pub crawl with
the Frankenbike folks before but it would be cool to have an all-Rivendell
crawl.

I think the most recent one I did started at Draught Horse on Medical
Parkway, then to Little Woodrow's on W.6th and then lastly to Doc's
Motorworks on South Congress.  A subset of folks then went on to Trudy's on
30th and then lastly to a house party on North Loop.  Think I rolled home
around 5am.  LOL
On Dec 4, 2015 9:42 AM, "Sean C"  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>   I just bought a Bombadil and was wondering if there's anyone on this
> forum in the Central Texas (near Austin) area that I could talk to or meet
> up with for rides and to trade ideas.
>
>   Sean
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[RBW] Re: FS - Bunch of stuff from switching bikes and builds. Bags, handlebars, wheels, tires.

[RJM]

The Large TrunkSack has been sold. 

I will send an email to all the buyers when I ship to let them know when it 
goes out. 

here is what is left - 

Thanks a lot to everybody so far...this list is great. 


> Rich built 650b wheelset 1 -  Velocity Dyad rims, Phil "Rivy" freewheel 
> hubs, Shimano freewheel that Riv used to sell. This wheelset saw about a 
> years worth of general riding and I wasn't commuting then, so it is still 
> in top notch shape. 36 spokes front and rear on this one. It's a really 
> nice looking wheelset with those hubs and rims. $375
>
 

>
> Rich built 650b wheelset 2 - Velocity Synergy Rims with LX hubs. 32 spokes 
> on this one. Still in very good condition and true. I don't currently have 
> a cassette on this set so it will just come as the wheelset. $300
>
>
>
> Small TrunkSack Olive - Makes an excellent small rack bag. This one is 
> still in nice shape with a few cosmetic marks and some discoloration but 
> functioning 100% and still nice looking - $75 ( I might have a buyer on 
> this one, so let's consider it claimed for now.)
>
>
> Sackville Mark's ToolWrap Olive -  Some discoloration from being used but 
> nothing major. Works 100% - $25
>
>
>
> Albastache bars - came on the Atlantis but I'm going to be using drops. 
> Nice and light bar. - $60
>
>

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[RBW] Looking for the exact wording of a Grant quote

[Daniel D.]

Can't remember where I saw the interview but Grant Peterson said something 
along the lines of "I love bikes but I own the bike I don't let the bike 
own me".  Just wanted to know the exact quote

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[RBW] Re: FS: albatross cockpit, lone peak, pletscher, 700 big apples, norco

[drew]

bumpdate:

all purchased items will ship tomorrow. i still have and am open to offers 
on:

*new lone peak sundance panniers* in gray. MUSA. gifted to me and never 
used.   95$ shipped
http://lonepeakpacks.com/shop/index.php/packs/panniers/p099.html  
  

*pletscher double leg kickstand* with plastic feet and short or long bolts. 
no plastic chainstay cap things. twined/shellacked on one leg. 30$ shipped.

*NOS norco panniers-* from early 90's in gray cordura. classic-ish style 
like the older kirtland or cannondale ones.   40$ shipped
almost identical to these  
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NORCO-Gray-Panniers-2-Pieces-Cycling-Bike-Bags-12-/272061892661?hash=item3f58270835:m:mAqfzCnCya67urNyd4L8DVA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Marks Rack, TRP & Shimano Road Brake Levers, Soma Highway 1, Nitto Technomic Deluxe & VO Stem

[Philip Kim]

Update on what's left:

Selling a brand new Marks Rack, only fitted on my bike and taken off, came 
with a few extra tangs for some reason $130 shipped

Nitto Tallux, 80mm extension, 26.0 clamp, hardly used $60 shipped 


Please message offline, and I can send pictures too.

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Steven Sweedler]

were any of the larger Bombadil  frames  built for 700 C wheels, Thanks,
Steve

On Monday, December 7, 2015, Garth  wrote:

>
>I would never say that any Riv frames are designed around X tires ,
> that's simply limiting. The clearances are like a balance between chainring
> sizes and the bend of the stays, chainstay length and the intention of
> designer. Meaning, it's all art !
>
>Even with a frame design , each one is unique to that particular
> builder so there will always be slight variances of some kind.  So your
> frames clearances simply are what they are.  Rivendell may design the
> frames and even furnish some lugs, but to have them built they are like a
> contractor of sorts in relationship with builders around the world, not
> unlike other companies.
>
>
>   In regards to what iamkeith said about the early mtb's , they did come
> with 1.95" tires even in 1982 . My 1983 Stumpjumper Sport came with the
> original "Stumpumper" tires that I believe were 1.95" and when I wore them
> out I replaced them with Crossroads 1.95" . I used a max tire of 2.05 on
> it, a Vittoria Free Climb. The rims were the by todays standards "quite
> wide" Araya 7x which I believe were 32+mm's so the tires mounted fairly
> true to size. No problems with clearance . I suspect the 26x1.75 written on
> the Araya may have been a source of confusion as this referred to the
> smallest recommended tire , though I ran Tricross 1.5's on and off no
> problemo.
>
> Those Stumpjumper frames were brilliant in the design of the chainstays
> and clearance and could have easily been reconfigured today to use wider
> tires and still have clearance for even "low q" triple cranks like the
> Sugino AT and TA Cyclotourist whihch came on the Sport($495 model) and
> Stumpjumper($750).  Our early Bombadils could have used a design like that
> ! I always considered the Bomba the fit and ride I always wished the
> Stumpjumpers had because they were quite bad in that way.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 11:00:54 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure if I have a odd duck here or not, but tire clearance on my
>> early double top tube 650b Bombadil is really tight.  With a 650b x 2.0
>> Quasi-Moto (actual width Is about 53mm on a Velocity Synergy rim), there is
>> maybe 3-4mm clearance at the seat stay bridge.  Enough for the tire to roll
>> through but not much room for mud or rocks.  I was thinking the Bombadil
>> was designed to fit the quasi-Motos as there are pictures of early
>> prototypes running around with this tire.  I've also run the Schwalbe HS
>> 315 "Fatties" (true width 47mm) and Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads (44mm), but
>> it would be nice to fit at least a modern 27.5 x 2.1 MTB tire in there.
>> Just wondering if anyone else here has experienced this challenge?
>> https://flic.kr/p/Bsyew9
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[RBW] Re: Riv 12-40 cassette

[Garth]

 This is an IRD cassette, nothing to do with Riv other than they are a 
retailer. The odd cog choices apears to be an IRD chacterstic in both 
cassettes and FW's. They seem to be in love with 17-21-24 jumps when 
17-20-24 is to me at least, perfect. Also 15-18-21-24  on 6 sp. FW when 
15-17-20-24 is perfect.   

  Gear charts are great, I like Mikey's as it's customizable , it has some 
presets but you can modify any cog choice or just manually type in the cogs 
. http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/shift.html

17-21 jumps are quite large , regardless . 

 Thought has no beginning and no end . 

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Garth]

  Yes,Steve , the 60 and on up .  Mine has a max with fenders of about 50mm 
or so. 


On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 4:47:35 PM UTC-5, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> were any of the larger Bombadil  frames  built for 700 C wheels, Thanks, 
> Steve
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015, Garth  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>I would never say that any Riv frames are designed around X tires , 
>> that's simply limiting. The clearances are like a balance between chainring 
>> sizes and the bend of the stays, chainstay length and the intention of 
>> designer. Meaning, it's all art ! 
>>
>>Even with a frame design , each one is unique to that particular 
>> builder so there will always be slight variances of some kind.  So your 
>> frames clearances simply are what they are.  Rivendell may design the 
>> frames and even furnish some lugs, but to have them built they are like a 
>> contractor of sorts in relationship with builders around the world, not 
>> unlike other companies. 
>>
>>
>>   In regards to what iamkeith said about the early mtb's , they did come 
>> with 1.95" tires even in 1982 . My 1983 Stumpjumper Sport came with the 
>> original "Stumpumper" tires that I believe were 1.95" and when I wore them 
>> out I replaced them with Crossroads 1.95" . I used a max tire of 2.05 on 
>> it, a Vittoria Free Climb. The rims were the by todays standards "quite 
>> wide" Araya 7x which I believe were 32+mm's so the tires mounted fairly 
>> true to size. No problems with clearance . I suspect the 26x1.75 written on 
>> the Araya may have been a source of confusion as this referred to the 
>> smallest recommended tire , though I ran Tricross 1.5's on and off no 
>> problemo. 
>>
>> Those Stumpjumper frames were brilliant in the design of the chainstays 
>> and clearance and could have easily been reconfigured today to use wider 
>> tires and still have clearance for even "low q" triple cranks like the 
>> Sugino AT and TA Cyclotourist whihch came on the Sport($495 model) and 
>> Stumpjumper($750).  Our early Bombadils could have used a design like that 
>> ! I always considered the Bomba the fit and ride I always wished the 
>> Stumpjumpers had because they were quite bad in that way. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 11:00:54 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if I have a odd duck here or not, but tire clearance on my 
>>> early double top tube 650b Bombadil is really tight.  With a 650b x 2.0 
>>> Quasi-Moto (actual width Is about 53mm on a Velocity Synergy rim), there is 
>>> maybe 3-4mm clearance at the seat stay bridge.  Enough for the tire to roll 
>>> through but not much room for mud or rocks.  I was thinking the Bombadil 
>>> was designed to fit the quasi-Motos as there are pictures of early 
>>> prototypes running around with this tire.  I've also run the Schwalbe HS 
>>> 315 "Fatties" (true width 47mm) and Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads (44mm), but 
>>> it would be nice to fit at least a modern 27.5 x 2.1 MTB tire in there.  
>>> Just wondering if anyone else here has experienced this challenge? 
>>> https://flic.kr/p/Bsyew9
>>
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[RBW] What size hardware/screw for mounting Nitto rack on Hunq fork?

[Jason Braaten]

Thanks all for the helpful responses.  Much appreciated.

Jason

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Re: [RBW] Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[William deRosset]

Dear Michael,

The Heron Touring bikes were almost all 700C machines (the 53 cm was the 
exception), with 8/5 OS top tube and 9/6 OS downtubes (they were definitely 
O/S and I believe those are the gauges of my 1998-produced model), round 
fork blades (super-comfy, too), clearance for 35-622 fenders, and long-ish 
chainstays. It was a wonderfully comfortable American-style touring machine 
It was a smooth and stable ride year-round with a saddlebag load and big 
Paselas or fat (for the era) cyclocross tires. That machine hated, hated, 
HATED a handlebar bag front load. It shimmied and would dive for the ditch 
without a firm hand when front loaded, even at lower speeds. It also had 
horizontal dropouts and the bridges were placed to maximize "clearance" not 
provide optimal fenderlines. It was exceptionally well-behaved otherwise, 
though it was pretty amazing/disconcerting to watch the longitudinal fork 
displacement under hard braking. All part of the charm of this kind of 
bike. 

However, it was the best trailer-towing bike I've owned, and my brother 
(the bike is somewhere between "on permanent loan" and "his", leaning 
toward the latter) still hauls his youngest around the hills of Burlington, 
VT with my 55cm. It is sparkly green, equipped pretty much like this one 
, 
though with a SON hub, B+M halogen headlamp, and (fairly marginal) 
Dia-Compe 960s. I should put a set of CR 720's on the front the next time I 
visit, or at least swap the pads.

It remains one of my favorite bikes, actually, though not a fire-breather 
from a climbing performance perspective.

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 4:27:54 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I couldn't agree more.  A canti Hilsen, or perhaps more exactly, a 
> prototype Saluki.  I have never quite understood why GP has moved away from 
> canti brake designs.  My experience has been that good brakes set up & work 
> better than budget brakes, no matter the style; but for wide tires on a 
> road bike good cantis give the best fender and tire clearance, and good 
> cantis have great stopping power.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 1:37:26 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Those Heron Tourings are great frames. Basically canti-Hilsens, maybe 
>> just a bit stouter (but maybe not.) I only traded mine away, because it 
>> wasn't the perfect size.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2015, at 8:46 AM, MartyG wrote:
>>
>>
>> Took the grandkids to see Santa last night, and came across a beautiful 
>> Heron Touring rig on CL this morning only 10 miles from home! It's a 
>> Christmas miracle!  Not my size, but should fit my wife nicely. Amazing mix 
>> of parts: TA Zephyr crankset, Phil rear hub, XTR front hub, Brooks B17, 
>> Caradice Super C panniers to name a few. Santas elves had fun putting this 
>> one together years ago! I'll get to the clean-up and post more pics after a 
>> long Winters nap...
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
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>> - 700x33
>>
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>>
>>
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[RBW] Clem and Clementine framesets available now

[Bill Lindsay]

The BLUG announced that Riv was holding back a few Clem and Clementine 
framesets just in case somebody's got damaged.  Now you can buy one.  The 
Clem in every size, including Medium!  The Clementine in Large and Small, 
but no Medium.  No more excuses, until these get sold, of course.  

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Re: [RBW] Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[William deRosset]

Hi, All,

I forgot to sign off!

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO


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> Dear Michael,
>
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[RBW] Re: So darn close...

[Zach Duval]

Thanks, Phillip. I currently run VO aluminum fenders, which I probably don'the 
want to try sawing in half. I'very got a few options (including your 
Riv-inspired SKS hack) to mull over. For now, I've got the Knard on the rear 
and a ColdVie up front, which may suffice through this winter. Fender-tire 
clearance with the Knard isn't as good as I'd hope, but it should be fine for 
around town.

I'm leaning towards a single Paul Racer to aid clearance in the front in order 
to get the other Knard under thar fender (like the post title says, even with a 
Tektro it'seems so darn close). Then eventually springing for the rear to 
balance the bike out. I've also got an old Schwinn PDG 50 I've been meaning to 
adapt over as a winter commuter, so that may take investment priority. As it 
is, oddly enough, even in NW Montana this year, we've not had much snow -- 
rain's coming down now! -- so I may have time to fine tune that latter option 
and keep the Hillborne for fairer weather.

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[RBW] Betty Foy in the news!

[LeahFoy]

I didn't even know about this, but apparently my photo was snapped and used as 
the cover of a news article talking about my city getting a recent designation 
for being bike-friendly. Pictured is my Betty Foy and my dog, who has let his 
celebrity go straight to his head. There will be no living with him now.

https://flic.kr/p/AZuECA

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[RBW] Re: Clem and Clementine framesets available now

[Garth]

Just complete bikes ?  I don't see any framesets Bill , are they hidden 
somewhere ? 



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>
> The BLUG announced that Riv was holding back a few Clem and Clementine 
> framesets just in case somebody's got damaged.  Now you can buy one.  The 
> Clem in every size, including Medium!  The Clementine in Large and Small, 
> but no Medium.  No more excuses, until these get sold, of course.  
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Re: [RBW] Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for those 2 good reviews, yours and that in the attachment.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:32 PM, William deRosset 
wrote:

> Dear Michael,
>
> The Heron Touring bikes were almost all 700C machines (the 53 cm was the
> exception), with 8/5 OS top tube and 9/6 OS downtubes (they were definitely
> O/S and I believe those are the gauges of my 1998-produced model), round
> fork blades (super-comfy, too), clearance for 35-622 fenders, and long-ish
> chainstays. It was a wonderfully comfortable American-style touring machine
> It was a smooth and stable ride year-round with a saddlebag load and big
> Paselas or fat (for the era) cyclocross tires. That machine hated, hated,
> HATED a handlebar bag front load. It shimmied and would dive for the ditch
> without a firm hand when front loaded, even at lower speeds. It also had
> horizontal dropouts and the bridges were placed to maximize "clearance" not
> provide optimal fenderlines. It was exceptionally well-behaved otherwise,
> though it was pretty amazing/disconcerting to watch the longitudinal fork
> displacement under hard braking. All part of the charm of this kind of
> bike.
>
> However, it was the best trailer-towing bike I've owned, and my brother
> (the bike is somewhere between "on permanent loan" and "his", leaning
> toward the latter) still hauls his youngest around the hills of Burlington,
> VT with my 55cm. It is sparkly green, equipped pretty much like this one
> ,
> though with a SON hub, B+M halogen headlamp, and (fairly marginal)
> Dia-Compe 960s. I should put a set of CR 720's on the front the next time I
> visit, or at least swap the pads.
>
> It remains one of my favorite bikes, actually, though not a fire-breather
> from a climbing performance perspective.
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 4:27:54 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't agree more.  A canti Hilsen, or perhaps more exactly, a
>> prototype Saluki.  I have never quite understood why GP has moved away from
>> canti brake designs.  My experience has been that good brakes set up & work
>> better than budget brakes, no matter the style; but for wide tires on a
>> road bike good cantis give the best fender and tire clearance, and good
>> cantis have great stopping power.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 1:37:26 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Those Heron Tourings are great frames. Basically canti-Hilsens, maybe
>>> just a bit stouter (but maybe not.) I only traded mine away, because it
>>> wasn't the perfect size.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2015, at 8:46 AM, MartyG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Took the grandkids to see Santa last night, and came across a beautiful
>>> Heron Touring rig on CL this morning only 10 miles from home! It's a
>>> Christmas miracle!  Not my size, but should fit my wife nicely. Amazing mix
>>> of parts: TA Zephyr crankset, Phil rear hub, XTR front hub, Brooks B17,
>>> Caradice Super C panniers to name a few. Santas elves had fun putting this
>>> one together years ago! I'll get to the clean-up and post more pics after a
>>> long Winters nap...
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy in the news!

[Garth]

   I do love seeing doggies riding in baskets !!  



On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 6:07:48 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I didn't even know about this, but apparently my photo was snapped and 
> used as the cover of a news article talking about my city getting a recent 
> designation for being bike-friendly. Pictured is my Betty Foy and my dog, 
> who has let his celebrity go straight to his head. There will be no living 
> with him now.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/AZuECA
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[RBW] Re: Clem and Clementine framesets available now

[Bill Lindsay]

The BLUG says:

We’ve been holding off on these following clem/tines for warranty, 
shipping-damage-replacements, etc. A few are now available for sale

*Clem Framesets $850 (Fancy paint with cream wings/windows):*

45cm Green
52cm Grey - *JUST ONE, GET IT QUICK!*
59cm Green, Blue, Grey

*Clementine Framesets $850 (Fancy paint with cream wings/windows):*

45cm Black, Blue
59 Orange, BLack

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 3:10:27 PM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Just complete bikes ?  I don't see any framesets Bill , are they 
> hidden somewhere ? 
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 5:34:09 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The BLUG announced that Riv was holding back a few Clem and Clementine 
>> framesets just in case somebody's got damaged.  Now you can buy one.  The 
>> Clem in every size, including Medium!  The Clementine in Large and Small, 
>> but no Medium.  No more excuses, until these get sold, of course.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[John Hawrylak]

William deRosset wrote:

>
> The Heron Touring bikes were almost all 700C machines (the 53 cm was the 
> exception), with 8/5 OS top tube and 9/6 OS downtubes (they were definitely 
> O/S and I believe those are the gauges of my 1998-produced model),
>

Bill

Wouldn't OS 8/5 and 9/6 be very stiff?   A TT OS 8/5 is stiffer (less 
deflection with a center load) than 1" TT of 10/7 and a DT OS 9/6 is 
stiffer than a 1-1/8" 11/8.  These STD size tubes are pretty stiff. 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

 
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy in the news!

[Deacon Patrick]

Love that smile! You're grinning more than you dog. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> I didn't even know about this, but apparently my photo was snapped and 
> used as the cover of a news article talking about my city getting a recent 
> designation for being bike-friendly. Pictured is my Betty Foy and my dog, 
> who has let his celebrity go straight to his head. There will be no living 
> with him now.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/AZuECA 
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv 12-40 cassette

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/07/2015 05:16 PM, Garth wrote:


 This is an IRD cassette, nothing to do with Riv other than they 
are a retailer. The odd cog choices apears to be an IRD chacterstic in 
both cassettes and FW's. They seem to be in love with 17-21-24 jumps 
when 17-20-24 is to me at least, perfect. Also 15-18-21-24  on 6 sp. 
FW when 15-17-20-24 is perfect.


Those progressions at least are "normal" in that the farther you go 
towards the largest sprocket the bigger the jumps get.What's strange 
are jumps that get larger, then get smaller, and then get larger again.  
I don't think I've ever come across that.



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Re: [RBW] Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[William deRosset]

>Wouldn't OS 8/5 and 9/6 be very stiff?  

Dear John,

For a 55cm frame (really a 57-58 once the top tube slope and extended head 
tube is accounted for)? Yep. Sure is. 

However it is consistent with the consensus good practice for dedicated 
offroad machines--and (rear-loading) touring bikes. It is still a lighter 
spec than almost all the Surly offerings or a Miyata 1200, and as light as 
most of Rivendell's offerings. Only the Legolas had a lighter tube spec, 
and their recent take on a "road" bike, the Roadeo, has an OS 8/5 top tube 
and OS 9/6 downtube. I had a ball on my Heron, though it doesn't climb for 
me as well as some other machines. It is still smooth, comfortable, and 
well-behaved when used within its design limitations.

Best,

Will

William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> William deRosset wrote:
>
>>
>> The Heron Touring bikes were almost all 700C machines (the 53 cm was the 
>> exception), with 8/5 OS top tube and 9/6 OS downtubes (they were definitely 
>> O/S and I believe those are the gauges of my 1998-produced model),
>>
>
> Bill
>
> Wouldn't OS 8/5 and 9/6 be very stiff?   A TT OS 8/5 is stiffer (less 
> deflection with a center load) than 1" TT of 10/7 and a DT OS 9/6 is 
> stiffer than a 1-1/8" 11/8.  These STD size tubes are pretty stiff. 
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv 12-40 cassette

[Bill Lindsay]

"What's strange 
are jumps that get larger, then get smaller, and then get larger again.   
I don't think I've ever come across that. "


I agree that it's strange, but I have come across it.  I just obtained a 
totally stock 1985 Schwinn.  The 1985 Catalog says it comes stock with a 
6-speed Shimano freewheel with the following cogs:

14-15-17-21-24-26

That's right, jumps as-you-go of : 1 - 2 - 4 - 3 - 2 

I think that qualifies as bizarre, by my contemporary standards.  The bike 
arrived Friday, and is in fact bone-stock (including tires).  I counted the 
freewheel cogs and they are exactly as specified in the catalog.  No, I'm 
not going to use it.  I replaced it with a period 6-speed Shimano 600 
freewheel that I built with cogs:

13-15-17-19-22-25 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Jim M.]

I have a 56cm proto-Bomba. I'm running WTB Beelines tubeless, and they 
measure 55mm wide. These have low profile knobs and I get about 5 mm 
clearance at the bridge. There is only a little more clearance at the fork 
crown. It has been a problem in sticky mud. 

jim m
wc ca

On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 8:00:54 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if I have a odd duck here or not, but tire clearance on my 
> early double top tube 650b Bombadil is really tight.  With a 650b x 2.0 
> Quasi-Moto (actual width Is about 53mm on a Velocity Synergy rim), there is 
> maybe 3-4mm clearance at the seat stay bridge.  Enough for the tire to roll 
> through but not much room for mud or rocks.  I was thinking the Bombadil 
> was designed to fit the quasi-Motos as there are pictures of early 
> prototypes running around with this tire.  I've also run the Schwalbe HS 
> 315 "Fatties" (true width 47mm) and Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads (44mm), but 
> it would be nice to fit at least a modern 27.5 x 2.1 MTB tire in there. 
>  Just wondering if anyone else here has experienced this challenge? 
> https://flic.kr/p/Bsyew9

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[RBW] Surly Extraterrestrial 26 x 2.5

[ant ritchey]

Just picked up a Trek 850 that's been floating around the hands of more 
than a few iBob-ers and with it I'd like to go fenderless/as big as 
possible in the tire department.

The single Maxxis Minion 2.5 tire that i found on the street clears both 
front and back, even with the knobs.  Tis a lil tite at the chainstay...

Nonetheless - 

The Surly Extraterrestrial 26x2.5 tires are intriguing.  Just thought I'd 
see if any iBOB personnel have gave 'em a try.

Thank y'all/yinz/you all

ant/pdx or

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velocity Dyad/Aerohead vs Atlas

[Chris Chen]

Same here. Dyad/Aeroheat on three bikes (I swear I didn't intend this):

700x35 for road
650bx42 for road gravel
650bx54 for rough stuff

And I load 'em up up. I weigh ~145 and put a fair amount on the front and
back; 36 hole.

The Atlas is pretty rim and I think it's a tiny bit wider which might be
nice, but don't ding the Dyad for any perceived strength deficiencies,
'cause where aren't any.

Another take away is what tires and pressures you plan to run; The tire
takes a lot of the brunt of the weight, and with a high enough final
tension on your spokes, you should be great!

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:27 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Dyads are 24mm outside width.  I weigh 400 lbs and I've been running
Dyads (Rich Lesnik built) for three years with zero problems.  I don't put
in a ton of miles and I like to think I ride pretty "light" for my size so
I doubt I've even come close to putting my wheels to any kind of test.  The
closest I've come was a high speed jump off a curb (operator errorI
wouldn't willingly do that) and the only negative from that might have been
a spoke that became a little loose, although the wheel remained true.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 8:38:53 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Well I have he Atlas on my Bombadil, only thing to watch if you like
50's is the width.  I do believe the Atlas is 25 and dyads are what 22?
Forgot
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:47:46 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking to get a wheel set built with either of these two rims in 650b
flavor.
>>>
>>> I'm about 150lbs and don't carry much more than 20 pounds of overnight
camping gear. Most it'll see is the C in the summer. Is the Atlas
overkill? I also will commute 20 miles with just my lunch in the saddle
bag, so I don't want to be too much of a slug.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Phil
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Re: [RBW] Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/07/2015 07:03 PM, William deRosset wrote:

>Wouldn't OS 8/5 and 9/6 be very stiff?

Dear John,

For a 55cm frame (really a 57-58 once the top tube slope and extended 
head tube is accounted for)? Yep. Sure is.


However it is consistent with the consensus good practice for 
dedicated offroad machines--and (rear-loading) touring bikes.


and probably helps explain why you found yours so good for trailer towing


It is still a lighter spec than almost all the Surly offerings or a 
Miyata 1200, and as light as most of Rivendell's offerings. Only the 
Legolas had a lighter tube spec, and their recent take on a "road" 
bike, the Roadeo, has an OS 8/5 top tube and OS 9/6 downtube. I had a 
ball on my Heron, though it doesn't climb for me as well as some other 
machines. It is still smooth, comfortable, and well-behaved when used 
within its design limitations.




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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[ted]

Chad,

I have a first generation 52 Bombadil, and currently have Quasi-Motos 
mounted on Synergy rims on it.
I think they fit fine at the pressures I usually run in them (20-25psi). If 
I recall correctly, when I first mounted them I seriously over inflated and 
the resulting clearance was minimal to inadequate. I don't think I would 
buy 2.1 MTB tires for it, though before I bought mine I rode a demo at RBW 
WHQ that had (I think) a Quasi on the back and a Fire Cross (bigger knobs 
so fatter) on the front.
As others have noted the later Bombadils (diaga tube/stays and different 
crown) have more clearance. I don't know if some of the later parallel top 
tube versions had more clearance than the earliest ones or not. I fear if 
you want to use most current 27.5 MTB tires the early Bombadil may not work 
to work.


On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 8:00:54 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if I have a odd duck here or not, but tire clearance on my 
> early double top tube 650b Bombadil is really tight.  With a 650b x 2.0 
> Quasi-Moto (actual width Is about 53mm on a Velocity Synergy rim), there is 
> maybe 3-4mm clearance at the seat stay bridge.  Enough for the tire to roll 
> through but not much room for mud or rocks.  I was thinking the Bombadil 
> was designed to fit the quasi-Motos as there are pictures of early 
> prototypes running around with this tire.  I've also run the Schwalbe HS 
> 315 "Fatties" (true width 47mm) and Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads (44mm), but 
> it would be nice to fit at least a modern 27.5 x 2.1 MTB tire in there. 
>  Just wondering if anyone else here has experienced this challenge? 
> https://flic.kr/p/Bsyew9

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Leslie]

That pic was what led to me wanting a Bombadil, but, it was later on that I 
got one, ended up w/ the diagastay one instead (but that's another story).

For the clearance aspect:  at the time, there really weren't a lot of 650b 
tires... the Quasi came out while the bike was being prototyped...  
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/

The clearance you're showing on yours, is a bit more than I'm running on my 
Rom...: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/15567948324/in/album-72157623199721925/
 



The later Bombas ended up w/ a lot more clearance: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/6836831408/in/album-72157623199721925/
 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/6835730758/in/album-72157623199721925/
(I can run 2.3 NeoMotos under fenders even not that I'd suggest 
such 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7150235995/in/album-72157623199721925/)
 





On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 11:49:52 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I can't speak from direct experience related to the Bombadil, but maybe 
> this helps.  
>
> From what I understand, the bike actually preceded the tires - though not 
> by a long timeframe.   Kirk Pacenti designed the neo moto, and then the 
> quasi moto, directly in *response* to the Bombadil and some persuasive 
> conversations he'd had with Grant.  So if you have a REALLY early model, I 
> could understand how the clearance be minimal.  Since it was originally 
> conceived as a bike "in the spirit of a 1985 mountain bike," and since 
> mountain bike tires were only 1.75" wide back then, it probably made sense. 
>   I know that later frames have increased in terms of their available 
> clearance.  There are other images circulating of what is described as a 
> test model, fitted with neo motos (which you've probably seen), and it does 
> seem to have more clearance than yours - though its  hard to tell for sure. 
>   Perhaps this was a first revision - before they did the batch of 
> clearcoat frames?
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/2417452065/in/photostream/
>
> The other theory I had doesn't seem to apply to your frame:  Just like 
> your bike, the seat-stay bridge is also the point of least clearance on my 
> All-Rounder.  But on mine, the builder used one that was drilled for 
> caliper brake mounting, even though the bike uses canti brakes.  In my 
> case, I've assumed that it was (consciously or unconsciously) located where 
> needed to provide the option of switching the brake-types, based on 
> longest-reach brakes available at the time. But, unless I'm seeing it 
> wrong, yours doesn't look like it is meant for that.
>
> Even though it's tight, I personally would have no issues using it with 
> the clearance you're showing.   I'd just avoid gumbo mud, which I try to do 
> anyway.   If you're interested, I can post a picture of the modification I 
> recently made to my fender, to allow it to clear the stay and still let me 
> run an oversize tire. 
>
> On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 9:00:54 PM UTC-7, Chad wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure if I have a odd duck here or not, but tire clearance on my 
>> early double top tube 650b Bombadil is really tight.  With a 650b x 2.0 
>> Quasi-Moto (actual width Is about 53mm on a Velocity Synergy rim), there is 
>> maybe 3-4mm clearance at the seat stay bridge.  Enough for the tire to roll 
>> through but not much room for mud or rocks.  I was thinking the Bombadil 
>> was designed to fit the quasi-Motos as there are pictures of early 
>> prototypes running around with this tire.  I've also run the Schwalbe HS 
>> 315 "Fatties" (true width 47mm) and Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads (44mm), but 
>> it would be nice to fit at least a modern 27.5 x 2.1 MTB tire in there. 
>>  Just wondering if anyone else here has experienced this challenge? 
>> https://flic.kr/p/Bsyew9
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Bill Lindsay]

I remember my rear chainstay bridge having some headroom over the Quasi 
Moto.  I don't have any great photos of it, and I don't own the frame 
anymore.  This is the best I have, but you have to use your imagination. 
 Mine was bought from Riv-stock in Spring of 2010.  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/4521861157/

On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 8:00:54 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if I have a odd duck here or not, but tire clearance on my 
> early double top tube 650b Bombadil is really tight.  With a 650b x 2.0 
> Quasi-Moto (actual width Is about 53mm on a Velocity Synergy rim), there is 
> maybe 3-4mm clearance at the seat stay bridge.  Enough for the tire to roll 
> through but not much room for mud or rocks.  I was thinking the Bombadil 
> was designed to fit the quasi-Motos as there are pictures of early 
> prototypes running around with this tire.  I've also run the Schwalbe HS 
> 315 "Fatties" (true width 47mm) and Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads (44mm), but 
> it would be nice to fit at least a modern 27.5 x 2.1 MTB tire in there. 
>  Just wondering if anyone else here has experienced this challenge? 
> https://flic.kr/p/Bsyew9

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy in the news!

[Minh]

Leah,

I hate to break this to you but they used the picture for the dog and not 
the Betty.  Ok, maybe it goes, dog, you then betty :)  

super cute picture!

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 6:07:48 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I didn't even know about this, but apparently my photo was snapped and 
> used as the cover of a news article talking about my city getting a recent 
> designation for being bike-friendly. Pictured is my Betty Foy and my dog, 
> who has let his celebrity go straight to his head. There will be no living 
> with him now.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/AZuECA
>

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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy in the news!

[René Sterental]

Awesome!

On Monday, December 7, 2015, Minh  wrote:

> Leah,
>
> I hate to break this to you but they used the picture for the dog and not
> the Betty.  Ok, maybe it goes, dog, you then betty :)
>
> super cute picture!
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 6:07:48 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> I didn't even know about this, but apparently my photo was snapped and
>> used as the cover of a news article talking about my city getting a recent
>> designation for being bike-friendly. Pictured is my Betty Foy and my dog,
>> who has let his celebrity go straight to his head. There will be no living
>> with him now.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/AZuECA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Early Christmas - Heron Touring

[MartyG]

Good discussion! Now, can someone tell me what that stud thing is coming out of 
the fork crown? Some kind of safety catch for the canti brake hanger?

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[RBW] Betty Foy in the news!

[WETH]

So cool. Great photo, too!

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[RBW] Re: New Winter Project: Another 650B conversion, thanks in part to you

[Bill Lindsay]

Maybe I'm getting too good at 650B conversions, or maybe I have too many 
parts on-hand to make things go so smoothly.  Whatever the reason, I've got 
my 1985 Schwinn Tempo all ready to ride in its new 650B configuration.  I 
pulled the stock wheelset and replaced it with a Pacenti PL23 wheelset.  
White Industries front hub and vintage Suntour Cyclone rear hub.  Shimano 
600 6-speed freewheel 13-25, and very used Soma New Express 650x37B tires.  
Tektro bigmouth brakes.  Stock seatpost, NOS vetta saddle.  Cockpit 
replaced with Nitto Pearl 11 stem.  Noodle 44cm bars, and SRAM S500 
levers.  Ritchey/Sugino 44/30 crankset.  Stock Shimano "Z" shifters and 
derailers.  It's already set up with Front and Rear Sheldon Nuts, so fender 
install should be super quick.  I picked this Tempo partially because it 
has fender eyelets.  

Have a look if you like:

Flickr Album LINK 


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv 12-40 cassette

[Joe Bernard]

Weird, it looks like they split the gearing into two stages. Like you'll use 
the smaller jumps on the small cogs for flats, then leap to the other set of 
small-jumps for climbing. Assuming that convoluted description makes sense to 
anybody, I wonder if it makes any sense on the road. 

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