[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Tony]

Hey David, I'd like to join - count me in.

Tony Almeida

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
> labour of love sort of thing. 
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
> -- 
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[shawn m.]

I'll second Ryan's take on Seattle. Seriously, if the bar is really " A 
sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to me: poor 
visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc." Then, yes, there 
will be a lot of weekends when you won't feel like riding. Rain in the 
northwest, particularly in the winter, is the constant/steady type. Not 
super heavy, just relentless. Seattle is further north than you think, and 
the winters are seriously dark. I can handle the rain ok, but the darkness 
is what really gets to me. So far, most responses have been of the "wear 
the right clothes, grin and bear it" variety, but you're pretty specific in 
where you draw the line so I'd think long and hard about it. I'm not trying 
to scare you off, just being realistic based on what you've said isn't 
worth it for you. I ride mostly year round by necessity; I don't own a car, 
to my bike is the go-to. There are MANY days in the winter when the joy of 
riding can't overcome the misery of the moment for me. Also, 40F and 90% 
humidity in steady rain is a good recipe for hypothermia, so it's something 
you need to take care to manage. That said, I love it here (sometimes in 
spite of itself) and after 30 years I still can't imagine living anywhere 
else. Summers here can be so idyllic that I forgive and forget about 
winter... until about the first week in November...



On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and 
> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of 
> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes. 
> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a 
> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based 
> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the 
> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a 
> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and 
> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find 
> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and 
> weekends are my riding time).
>
> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year 
> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a 
> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks 
> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and 
> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to 
> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I 
> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good 
> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and 
> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers). 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Pedals -- Identified

[Bill Lindsay]

The pedal bodies ARE slotted.  You could run a strap for retention if you were 
so inclined

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Re: [RBW] Best size Big Apples for Dyad rims?

[Patrick Moore]

I rode 60 mm BAs on 23 mm rims, at pressures down to 12 psi front, on dirt,
with tubes. No problems.

When I replaced the 44 mm outside to outside SnoCat SLs with 30 mm O-T-O
Velocity Blunt SSs, the 50 mm F Freds lost perhaps a mm, but gained a
rounder profile and cornered noticeably better. (The 622 X 50 FFs measure
51 mm on the V Blunt SSs.)

Remember that, in the early '90s, 19 mm outside to outside rims were
considered standard for 2" tires. I rode 1.95s on 19 mm O-T-O Sum M14As and
Trek ("Matrix") Aero rims with no problem, as long as I kept the pressure
above 20 psi.

I now use the 370 gram M14As on my gofast with 17 gr 32 mm labeled, 28 mm
actual Elk Pass ELs.

I'm 170, SYMMV.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 7:50 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I think I'm going to put Big Apples on my 700c Dyad rims (24mm outside
> width) but since these aren't 29'er wide rims, I'm worried about sidewall
> roll in sharp turns resulting from a wider tire on (relatively) more narrow
> rim.  Has anyone ever experienced this while running the wider BA's on a
> Dyad?  I'm a very heavy rider (400 lbs) and most of my riding is pavement
> with a lot of sharp turns and I need a tire that will let me run a
> relatively low pressure (I run my 40mm Duremes at 55-60 psi) without
> worrying about mushy handling in those sharp turns.
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Re: [RBW] Re: IQ-X Headlight

[William!]

Also ordered from bike24 (in Silver). Emailed them today, said they have no 
estimates on when they'll receive stock.

Best,
William

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 3:18:25 PM UTC-8, Jack wrote:
>
> I've been on the list since last Fall at xxcycles in France to be notified 
> when the IQ-X is available. Haven't heard anything from them.
> bike24 shows the black IQ-X in stock but the silver model is not available 
> at this time. I just ordered the black model, we'll see what happens. 
> Peter White's website indicates he has the IQ-X in stock for $146. 
> Evidently this light is finally in production. I'll anxious to see how good 
> it is.
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 11:33:54 PM UTC-5, bo richardson wrote:
>
>> i have had one on order from bike24since late dec or early Jan 
>> and mine has not arrived and no notice of shipping
>> no VAT from bike24 which is cool
>>
>> if eric got his, mine should be not far behind
>>
>> Bo Richardson
>> Bellingham
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Huge Clem coming together, and some WTT/WTB chocomoosing

[Kainalu]

And I'm curious what it'll take to run these tubeless on a Clem, short of 
replacement rims. Anyone have insights? They'll be an Alex rim probably?
Thanks
-Kai

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:13:22 PM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
>
>  It's begun!, the 64 (65?) Clem is starting to come together. Delivery 
> date unknown, but sometime this summer these 6cm Schwalby beasts will be 
> rolling over some sand and chunkier glass. I have some BBBs aka the 
> Beautiful Brazed Boscos that I could put on the bike, which as a complete 
> will be coming with some BTBs... That's the biggest setup problem I have 
> right now, too many Bosco Bullmoose. Good problem to have, yes, but if 
> anyone wants to trade anything for their Chocomooses, I've got a little of 
> this and that around to barter.  You want Marathon Supremes? Smaller Big 
> Ones? These Biggie Big Ones? Drop bars, upright bars, stems, wheels, 
> sculpture, drawings, diapers, odd jobs.  Hopefully we can work something 
> out, I've never needed a bar this badly.
> -Kai
> Brooklyn, NY
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[RBW] Huge Clem coming together, and some WTT/WTB chocomoosing

[Kainalu]

 It's begun!, the 64 (65?) Clem is starting to come together. Delivery date 
unknown, but sometime this summer these 6cm Schwalby beasts will be rolling 
over some sand and chunkier glass. I have some BBBs aka the Beautiful 
Brazed Boscos that I could put on the bike, which as a complete will be 
coming with some BTBs... That's the biggest setup problem I have right now, 
too many Bosco Bullmoose. Good problem to have, yes, but if anyone wants to 
trade anything for their Chocomooses, I've got a little of this and that 
around to barter.  You want Marathon Supremes? Smaller Big Ones? These 
Biggie Big Ones? Drop bars, upright bars, stems, wheels, sculpture, 
drawings, diapers, odd jobs.  Hopefully we can work something out, I've 
never needed a bar this badly.
-Kai
Brooklyn, NY

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[RBW] Best size Big Apples for Dyad rims?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think I'm going to put Big Apples on my 700c Dyad rims (24mm outside 
width) but since these aren't 29'er wide rims, I'm worried about sidewall 
roll in sharp turns resulting from a wider tire on (relatively) more narrow 
rim.  Has anyone ever experienced this while running the wider BA's on a 
Dyad?  I'm a very heavy rider (400 lbs) and most of my riding is pavement 
with a lot of sharp turns and I need a tire that will let me run a 
relatively low pressure (I run my 40mm Duremes at 55-60 psi) without 
worrying about mushy handling in those sharp turns.  

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[RBW] WTB - Early MTN Bike 26" rigid fork, not unicrown

[JohnS]

Hello All,

I'm in the market for a 26" rigid fork with canti bosses for an early 
mountain bike that isn't suspension ready. The bike has a custom paint job, 
purple with yellow flames, which my 15 year old son likes. It's a Schwinn, 
I believe it could be a High Sierra, but not sure since the decals were 
removed when it was painted. Longer steering tube the better, plan to use 
it with a dirt drop stem and drop bars, his request. Please reply to 
private email. Prefer to use pay-pal.

Thanks,
JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

On the  question: I'll be interested in your impressions of SF. Are you
retiring, or looking for new job, or sudden interest in New Age ...?

I moved here 5 years ago and am not tied to the bay area. It's been fun,
lots of great job opportunities (I've had 3!), fantastic weather, a 15
minute jaunt to Rivendell, but no extended family this side of the
Mississippi and housing is very very expensive (prohibitively expensive,
family is growing with a second kid coming this month).

Seattle is an option because my current job is technically supposed to be
based there but I set it up so I worked in SF, so it'd be an easy to move
and I'd probably get a relo package for it. DC and Nashville are runners up
(family in both, could easily get a job in DC).

I've actually never been to the Sothwest, heard great things about Santa
Fe, will have to make it out there especially if I move back east at some
point ;)

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Aggghhh: Santa Fe averages 14"/year.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>>
>> There is a pretty consistent 5-10*F difference between Duke City and The
>> City Different, which with the slightly greater precipitation (citywide
>> average in ABQ is 9"/year, and this encompasses ~14"/yr in the foothills
>> and ~5"/year in certain underprivileged parts of Rio Rancho) means that SF
>> gets noticeably more ride-inhibiting snow than does ABQ, or at least, used
>> to -- spring temps 30 days early this year, with all the ornamental trees
>> breaking into white blossom clouds in the past week instead of at the end
>> of the month.
>>
>> I'll be interested in your impressions of SF. Are you retiring, or
>> looking for new job, or sudden interest in New Age ...?
>>
>> Patrick "but would like more snow in ABQ, to ride in" Moore
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> Sante Fe is high on my list. Planning a trip there to scout it out.
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding
 to ourselves.


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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Looking for a Pletcher Clem rack and a medium Wald basket

[Brian Campbell]

not until now...;-)

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:17:57 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>
> I've got a Clem rack with pannier rails and light attachment that I might 
> consider letting go.  Have you had any luck finding a rack?

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[RBW] WTB/WTT: Looking for a Pletcher Clem rack and a medium Wald basket

[Chad]

I've got a Clem rack with pannier rails and light attachment that I might 
consider letting go.  Have you had any luck finding a rack?

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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[jeffrey kane]

That is swanky ...

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 5:00:13 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That basket with major swagger is a big Wald from Riv, modified by me.  I 
> think I have a flickr album on the modification
>
> Hack-a-Basket 
> 
>
> Scroll to the bottom.  The final 8 photos show my process.  I was inspired 
> by Jenny at Riv, who did something similar.  She kept hers level, and just 
> made it shallower.  I got my lean on.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 1:51:53 PM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> What are you using for a basket there, Bill?
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 2:10:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> You are right Shoji.  Even with a slammed stem this bike is still quite 
>>> upright.  Since this bike could become a real loaded touring bike for me, I 
>>> am not going to rule out experimenting with drop bars on this bike.  My 
>>> 55cm Appaloosa has a shorter effective top tube than my 58cm Atlantis.  So, 
>>> I could easily swap cockpits between the two.  
>>>
>>> Speaking of swapping stuff between my Appaloosa and my Atlantis, I did 
>>> some additional work on the front rack situation.  I had a Nitto Mini front 
>>> and a Platrack in my rack inventory.  Since the Appaloosa won't take a 
>>> Nitto Mini front, I decided to try moving a Nitto Big Front rack from my 
>>> Atlantis to the 'Loosa.  
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> It actually is level.  I would have ridden it into work today, but it's 
>>> pouring rain, and I haven't gotten fenders on yet.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:39:30 AM UTC-8, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 Looks great, Bill. I really like the mustard color. 

 After looking at long chain-stay bikes for awhile, the Appaloosa looks 
 remarkably normal (with some beautiful details).

 I wonder if Riv could've spec'd the Chocomoose with less rise. Slammed 
 stem + expanded frame, and the handlebar grips are quite high-- seems like 
 they're good for high and higher... 

 Happy riding,
 shoji



 On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 12:02:14 AM UTC-5, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>
> Sweet Ride !!
> Dennis in PDX
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:06:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that 
>> night for a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for 
>> the 
>> most part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I 
>> installed Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and 
>> wrapped the forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow 
>> Newbaums, 
>> shellacked with amber.  
>>
>> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As 
>> pictured the Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 
>> 55cm 
>> Appaloosa.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Patrick Moore]

Aggghhh: Santa Fe averages 14"/year.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> There is a pretty consistent 5-10*F difference between Duke City and The
> City Different, which with the slightly greater precipitation (citywide
> average in ABQ is 9"/year, and this encompasses ~14"/yr in the foothills
> and ~5"/year in certain underprivileged parts of Rio Rancho) means that SF
> gets noticeably more ride-inhibiting snow than does ABQ, or at least, used
> to -- spring temps 30 days early this year, with all the ornamental trees
> breaking into white blossom clouds in the past week instead of at the end
> of the month.
>
> I'll be interested in your impressions of SF. Are you retiring, or looking
> for new job, or sudden interest in New Age ...?
>
> Patrick "but would like more snow in ABQ, to ride in" Moore
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Sante Fe is high on my list. Planning a trip there to scout it out.
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding
>>> to ourselves.
>>>
>>>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Patrick Moore]

There is a pretty consistent 5-10*F difference between Duke City and The
City Different, which with the slightly greater precipitation (citywide
average in ABQ is 9"/year, and this encompasses ~14"/yr in the foothills
and ~5"/year in certain underprivileged parts of Rio Rancho) means that SF
gets noticeably more ride-inhibiting snow than does ABQ, or at least, used
to -- spring temps 30 days early this year, with all the ornamental trees
breaking into white blossom clouds in the past week instead of at the end
of the month.

I'll be interested in your impressions of SF. Are you retiring, or looking
for new job, or sudden interest in New Age ...?

Patrick "but would like more snow in ABQ, to ride in" Moore

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Sante Fe is high on my list. Planning a trip there to scout it out.
>
> - Ryan
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding
>> to ourselves.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Doug Peterson]

Some people can't get enough of a good thing.  

doug

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> The 100 mile route is now closed! 
>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/03/imperial-century-signups-are-closed.html
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 7:35:44 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>> Awesome! 
>>
>> I really talk it up here (SCAR, RBW) as I think it's a great all-rounder 
>> sort of a ride. Sorry if I go on too much/often...
>> Rivendell bikes are absolutely perfect for it though, from the 
>> Rambouillet to the Hunq, they will all be fine. And I think the Riv-rider 
>> mentality is spot on for something like this. Go out, ride the bike you've 
>> got, explore, see what you run into, when you're done figure a way back 
>> home and have a great meal! 
>>
>> Plus I get to see my friends, so it's a win-win-win!!!
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Ado Lucas > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> After too much planning, then hesitation, then worries,  I decided just 
>>> to register and just do it. Then suddenly the hesitation and worries 
>>> suddenly disappeared :-)
>>>
>>> Now the next problem is how to tell my Boss.
>>>
>>> See yah on the 19th
>>>
>>> Amado
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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Grant @ Rivendell]

I haven't read the responses, but it is SLIGHTLY disturbing that a possible 
crack like this goes public before it comes to us. It's life in 2016, and I 
harbor  no anything, but it's not a direct way, and it is embarrassing. If 
the second-owner of this frame contacts us directly, -- well, as the second 
owner, there's little we're obligated to do, but there's always something 
we will try to do. Advice. Help. Who knows? But some matters, even in an 
age of "everything's public," are best handled privately.
G

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 2:27:28 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>  and 
> let me know what you think?
> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of the 
> lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
> please chime in.
> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
> who could do this?
> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>
> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Pedals -- Identified

[Bill Lindsay]

Andrew

I think the pedal bodies are not slotted in a way that you could easily run 
retention straps.  I'll double-check when I get home.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 2:15:38 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>
> Do the horizontal slots in the pedals run all the way through, on both 
> sides of the axle? I ask, wondering whether velcro retention straps or 
> similar will fit these.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> On my separate Appaloosa thread, a couple people asked about the pedals. 
>>  I speculated that they might be Wellgo.  I knew I had seen the wavy logo 
>> preceding the K926 model number.  It was NOT A Wellgo logo.  It was a 
>> Victor logo  (VP).  I've found the model, and it is called the VP Push N2.  
>>
>> http://www.vp-usa.com/vp-push-n2/
>>
>> Looks like the going online price is $60, which I guess explains why I 
>> thought it was so nice.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Ryan Ray]

Sante Fe is high on my list. Planning a trip there to scout it out.

- Ryan





On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding to 
> ourselves.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, David Stein  > wrote:
>
>> Haha, i am legitimately worried about the endless gray skies in the pac 
>> nw. that could play into it as well, outside of bike riding. i have heard 
>> strong warnings about the freeze, it does seem very real. though i can't 
>> say the bay area is a whole lot different in that aspect at least from the 
>> 5 years I've been here (local rbw riders withstanding that rule of course!)
>>
>> austin is a viable city with tons of job opportunities for me, spent a 
>> bit of time there, but probably not going to happen, all my friends just 
>> moved away from there. 
>>
>> DC or back to Tennessee is the other option if I were to move, those 
>> winters are pretty brutal but at least i know what i'm in for. DC can have 
>> more temperate summers, 'can' being the key word. but i remember getting 
>> pretty stir crazy in the winters.
>>
>> worst case i say screw it and trade in all my bikes for a pirogue and 
>> some fishing gear and move back to my home town of new orleans.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bronson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
>>> Don't move here :D
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Ryan Ray >> > wrote:
>>>
 Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.

 - Extremely high rent/housing prices.
 - Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are 
 starting to get a little its far too late.
 - It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been 
 shown to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on 
 purpose? It's real bad.
 - Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant 
 group of people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is 
 real and people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy 
 people. I blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a 
 true friend.

 This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would 
 want to move here. Some people will chime in with their personal 
 experiences being slightly different but statistically the rain, the 
 freeze, and the housing costs are all facts. If you could look outside my 
 window right now you would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.

 Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and 
 playing video games inside all night.

 - Ryan





 On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably 
> without rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't 
> worth 
> it to me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. 
> Commuting aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, 
> months) where the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there 
> making 
> it pretty easy to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like 
> the latter (and thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It 
> doesn't rain much in the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty 
> steady with almost no brake in the action, making it harder to get out. 
> Tennessee was the same way for months on end in the winter, just really 
> poor riding conditions.
>
> The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun 
> going down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't 
>>> looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the 
>>> distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to 
>>> autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying 
>>> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I 
>>> commute 
>>> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>>>
>>
>> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the 
>> days get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until 
>> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute 
>> home.
>>
>> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, 
>> which are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any 
>> of 
>> your neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting 

[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Pedals -- Identified

[BSWP]

Do the horizontal slots in the pedals run all the way through, on both 
sides of the axle? I ask, wondering whether velcro retention straps or 
similar will fit these.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> On my separate Appaloosa thread, a couple people asked about the pedals. 
>  I speculated that they might be Wellgo.  I knew I had seen the wavy logo 
> preceding the K926 model number.  It was NOT A Wellgo logo.  It was a 
> Victor logo  (VP).  I've found the model, and it is called the VP Push N2.  
>
> http://www.vp-usa.com/vp-push-n2/
>
> Looks like the going online price is $60, which I guess explains why I 
> thought it was so nice.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags, Round 2.

[David Banzer]

Updated list:

2. Front Bar Bag & Wedge Combo - water repellent #8 olive green canvas, 2 
3d pockets on the front bag - $100 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/front-bar-bag-wedge-combo

3. 14" Tall Rando Bag - yep, 14" tall, this one I started months ago for 
myself, switched the intended bike to upright bars, and now the bag won't 
fit, big bummer that I can't use it - $200 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/randonneur-bag-14-tall-custom-design

5. Boxy Bar/Saddlebag - olive green canvas - $50 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-boxy-bar-saddle-bag-olive-green

6. Saddle Wedge - black canvas - $50 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-saddle-wedge-black






On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I've a couple bags left from the last round I listed, now selling some 
> more personal bags. I've been busy making bags for others, that by the time 
> I get around to finishing bags for myself, my bag needs and bike 
> arrangements have changed, leaving more unneeded bags. Doing a couple 
> combos as well. Including some other bags in this list too, lowered prices 
> on a couple.
>
> Shipping is a flat $7 per order, sent USPS Priority mail.
> Items are listed in my webstore, treetop.bigcartel.com. Please follow the 
> links for photos and if you'd like to buy something, purchase it through 
> the webstore please.
> Payment can be made with a credit/debit card or with Paypal. 
> Local Chicago pickup works, just kindly pay for anything through the 
> webstore. Use code LOCAL to take off the shipping charge.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>
> 1. Basket Bag & Saddlebag Combo - tan waxed canvas, basket bag fits a Wald 
> 137, these have been used over the past week - $100 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-basket-bag-saddlebag-combo
>
> 2. Front Bar Bag & Wedge Combo - water repellent #8 olive green canvas, 2 
> 3d pockets on the front bag - $100 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/front-bar-bag-wedge-combo
>
> 3. 14" Tall Rando Bag - yep, 14" tall, this one I started months ago for 
> myself, switched the intended bike to upright bars, and now the bag won't 
> fit, big bummer that I can't use it - $200 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/randonneur-bag-14-tall-custom-design
>
> 4. Basic Rando Bag - 10" tall, olive green canvas, zippered pocket on top 
> instead of map sleeve - $100 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/randonneur-bag-basic-version
>
> 5. Boxy Bar/Saddlebag - olive green canvas - $50 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-boxy-bar-saddle-bag-olive-green
>
> 6. Saddle Wedge - black canvas - $50 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-saddle-wedge-black
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Pedals -- Identified

[sameness]

Awesome, thanks for sleuthing Bill! 

They look rad, was just hoping they came in a little closer to the typical 
Wellgo-ish price point. 

Alas, nothing too good for these feet!

Jeff "$60.00 Pedals... 99 Cent Flip Flops" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks David.

So won't work with these tires. Too bad.

~Hugh
On Mar 7, 2016 11:53 AM, "David Johnston"  wrote:

> This is what Jan Heine says:
>
> " You need at least 12 mm between tire and fender, plus about 1 mm for
> the fender, and another 2-3 mm for the leather washer that cushions
> the fender against the frame. This adds up to about 15 mm between tire
> and bridges/fork crown. (Better would be about 20 mm.)"
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/does-my-bike-take-fenders/
>
> On 3/7/16, David Johnston  wrote:
> > I have 13mm or 1/2" between the tire and the bottom of the fork crown
> > as shown in the picture I posted. There is much more room (greater
> > than 1") in the rear between the bridges and the tire.
> >
> > On 3/6/16, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> >> Thanks for the picture Dave. So there's more room in the rear? And a
> >> calipered measurement would be great. Looks like SKS fenders might work
> >> but
> >> metal fenders might be a no go?
> >>
> >> ~Hugh
> >>
> >> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> >> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
> >>
> >> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 5:42 AM, Dave Johnston  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> <
> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NOzlAPQzggY/VtriI6LUxUI/AWI/MXk8f6qVj1o/s1600/Atti%2BRatTrap%2BF%2Bclear.JPG
> >
> >>> It might depend on your particular model. on my 56cm there is plenty of
> >>> room on the rear but its a bit tight under the crown on the front. I'd
> >>> like
> >>> to see more room on the front, but it is still more than most sidepull
> >>> setups. I can't take measurements right now but I can post a photo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 12:29:35 AM UTC-5, KTY wrote:
> 
>  Hey Aaron, do you think there's any chance of getting fenders in there
>  with the RTPs? I'd be attempting this on a 2003 Atlantis (still
>  technically
>  an Atlantis 2, I believe).
> 
> 
> 
>  On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-4, Aaron Young
> wrote:
> >
> > hey gang,
> >
> > The Rat Trap Pass tires arrived today. They fit with ample clearance
> > on
> > my 56 cm Atlantis. On Velocity Aeroheat rims they measure 47mm.
> Narrow
> > compared to the Big Bens they replaced (52mm on same rims).
> >
> > Instapics:
> >
> >
> > https://instagram.com/p/7JUEnhu37E/
> >
> > https://instagram.com/p/7JXIKgO3_u/
> >
> > https://instagram.com/p/7JX4ovu3w7/
> >
> > Aaron Young
> > The Dalles, OR
> >
> >
> >
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Jeremy Till]

Well, the only two bars in the picture that have a stem presented are the 
Bullmoose and Bosco Bullmoose, since they were the only two at the time 
that came as one piece with a stem.  The rest of the bars have their stem 
length equalized at the clamping area, which Oli superimposed over the 
cross bar of the Bosco Bullmose, which is 120mm from the stem quill on that 
particular bar.  So for comparing to the probably-150mm Bullmoose, you 
could say that the rest of the bars are represented on an imaginary 120mm 
stem.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 1:51:47 PM UTC-8, ian m wrote:
>
> So what are we assuming the stem extension is for the other bars in this 
> image?
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 4:10:32 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> This illustration that Olipop did a few years ago may be helpful: 
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/in/album-72157640907162813/
>>
>> He expresses uncertainty about which reach of Bullmoose is represented, 
>> saying it may be a 200mm (the other size, which they don't offer anymore). 
>>  I would guess that it's a 150mm from the relative extension with the Bosco 
>> Bullmoose.  I had a pair of the old 200mm ones and the extension was really 
>> long.  
>>
>> -jeremy
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 9:33:30 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been considering purchasing the bullmoose bar for my Atlantis. With 
>>> some 2.2" tires that'd make a real fun rough road bike packing setup. I see 
>>> they are only available in a 150mm reach. I'm curious if anyone is using 
>>> them here and how that reach compares with other bars?
>>>
>>> For reference, I'm comfortable with the following:
>>> - Nitto albatross with 120mm stem
>>> - Nitto noodle with 110mm stem
>>> - Soma Portola dirt drop with 100cm dirt drop stem
>>>
>>> Based on that, any ideas how the bullmoose would fit in? 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

That basket with major swagger is a big Wald from Riv, modified by me.  I 
think I have a flickr album on the modification

Hack-a-Basket 


Scroll to the bottom.  The final 8 photos show my process.  I was inspired 
by Jenny at Riv, who did something similar.  She kept hers level, and just 
made it shallower.  I got my lean on.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 1:51:53 PM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> What are you using for a basket there, Bill?
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 2:10:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> You are right Shoji.  Even with a slammed stem this bike is still quite 
>> upright.  Since this bike could become a real loaded touring bike for me, I 
>> am not going to rule out experimenting with drop bars on this bike.  My 
>> 55cm Appaloosa has a shorter effective top tube than my 58cm Atlantis.  So, 
>> I could easily swap cockpits between the two.  
>>
>> Speaking of swapping stuff between my Appaloosa and my Atlantis, I did 
>> some additional work on the front rack situation.  I had a Nitto Mini front 
>> and a Platrack in my rack inventory.  Since the Appaloosa won't take a 
>> Nitto Mini front, I decided to try moving a Nitto Big Front rack from my 
>> Atlantis to the 'Loosa.  
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> It actually is level.  I would have ridden it into work today, but it's 
>> pouring rain, and I haven't gotten fenders on yet.  
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:39:30 AM UTC-8, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks great, Bill. I really like the mustard color. 
>>>
>>> After looking at long chain-stay bikes for awhile, the Appaloosa looks 
>>> remarkably normal (with some beautiful details).
>>>
>>> I wonder if Riv could've spec'd the Chocomoose with less rise. Slammed 
>>> stem + expanded frame, and the handlebar grips are quite high-- seems like 
>>> they're good for high and higher... 
>>>
>>> Happy riding,
>>> shoji
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 12:02:14 AM UTC-5, Dennis Hogan wrote:

 Sweet Ride !!
 Dennis in PDX

 On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:06:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night 
> for a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the 
> most 
> part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
> Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
> forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
> with amber.  
>
> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured 
> the Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm 
> Appaloosa.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[ian m]

So what are we assuming the stem extension is for the other bars in this 
image?

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 4:10:32 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> This illustration that Olipop did a few years ago may be helpful: 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/in/album-72157640907162813/
>
> He expresses uncertainty about which reach of Bullmoose is represented, 
> saying it may be a 200mm (the other size, which they don't offer anymore). 
>  I would guess that it's a 150mm from the relative extension with the Bosco 
> Bullmoose.  I had a pair of the old 200mm ones and the extension was really 
> long.  
>
> -jeremy
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 9:33:30 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> I've been considering purchasing the bullmoose bar for my Atlantis. With 
>> some 2.2" tires that'd make a real fun rough road bike packing setup. I see 
>> they are only available in a 150mm reach. I'm curious if anyone is using 
>> them here and how that reach compares with other bars?
>>
>> For reference, I'm comfortable with the following:
>> - Nitto albatross with 120mm stem
>> - Nitto noodle with 110mm stem
>> - Soma Portola dirt drop with 100cm dirt drop stem
>>
>> Based on that, any ideas how the bullmoose would fit in? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[jeffrey kane]

What are you using for a basket there, Bill?

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 2:10:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> You are right Shoji.  Even with a slammed stem this bike is still quite 
> upright.  Since this bike could become a real loaded touring bike for me, I 
> am not going to rule out experimenting with drop bars on this bike.  My 
> 55cm Appaloosa has a shorter effective top tube than my 58cm Atlantis.  So, 
> I could easily swap cockpits between the two.  
>
> Speaking of swapping stuff between my Appaloosa and my Atlantis, I did 
> some additional work on the front rack situation.  I had a Nitto Mini front 
> and a Platrack in my rack inventory.  Since the Appaloosa won't take a 
> Nitto Mini front, I decided to try moving a Nitto Big Front rack from my 
> Atlantis to the 'Loosa.  
>
>
> 
>
> It actually is level.  I would have ridden it into work today, but it's 
> pouring rain, and I haven't gotten fenders on yet.  
>
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:39:30 AM UTC-8, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> Looks great, Bill. I really like the mustard color. 
>>
>> After looking at long chain-stay bikes for awhile, the Appaloosa looks 
>> remarkably normal (with some beautiful details).
>>
>> I wonder if Riv could've spec'd the Chocomoose with less rise. Slammed 
>> stem + expanded frame, and the handlebar grips are quite high-- seems like 
>> they're good for high and higher... 
>>
>> Happy riding,
>> shoji
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 12:02:14 AM UTC-5, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>>>
>>> Sweet Ride !!
>>> Dennis in PDX
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:06:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:


 


 
 I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night 
 for a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
 part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
 Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
 forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
 with amber.  

 I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured 
 the Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm 
 Appaloosa.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[MartyG]

Glad you still have the Raleigh Edwin. Very cool bike. My brown Schwinn Le Tour 
Luxe has nearly the same vibe, but is a better fit. Brown bikes rule! 

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[RBW] Re: Hipster jeans, riding pants, MUSA pants

[Patrick Moore]

Just 10 miles to run an errand, but the overall grade is a solid B:

Leg cut: A+
Waist cut: C- (I've ridden worse; the pair of original MUSAs were worse in
the waistband digging into your belly and hovering dangerously near your
nether parts when in hooks or hoods.)
Pockets: A
Material B- (A would be sturdy nylon, as with the pair of original MUSA
pants.)
Sewing: B: seams A but buttons the usual C or C-.
Features: C+: double fabric at crotch, slightly fitted knee (A) but no
zipper (D).

You'd not (or, I'd not) want to wear these while sweating heavily or in
rain, as the damp fabric will bind on your thighs and knees, but for cool
dry weather riding, overall a solid B.

I'm not sure these are casual pants graded B for riding, or riding pants
that are nice for wearing about the house and yard.


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> On Saturday, while killing time as my daughter agonized over clothing
> choices, I came across these:
>
> http://www.target.com/p/men-s-e-waist-chino-pants/-/A-50127767
>
> The local Target (the one on Montgomery just above Wyoming) had the olive
> green ones on sale for $19.97 -- rather too bright a green, but for the
> price 
>
> Anyway, I bought 2 pr: my first hipster jeans, and they seem *almost* very
> good for riding: trim enough not to flap in wind; narrow enough at ankle
> not to catch the chain; yet, withall, loose enough that I can sit down on a
> chair without the knees binding, waist (I chose 33 w/30 l) loose enough to
> accommodate different thicknesses, as of under layers or the 5 lb I've
> gained recently; side pockets, rear pockets, no cargo pockets (who wants
> keys or iPhone bouncing on your thigh as you pedal), sturdy cotton canvas,
> and crotch gusset that doubles the material in the crucial cycling spot.
>
> The 2 principal defects:
>
> 1. No zip fly; they have wide elasticized waist with drawstring.
>
> 2. While not excessively low cut/high crotch -- they are quite comfortable
> around the house -- the rear is about 1-2" lower than ideal for the
> in-the-hoods-or-hooks riding position.
>
> Now if Rivendell made these in heavyish nylon with a higher back, in
> darkish gray or black, I'd put up with a no-zip front.
>
> Off to see the Wizard; will report.
>
> Am about to test them right *now!*
>
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Jeremy Till]

This is what the 200mm ones looked like.  Long.  

https://flic.kr/p/dcfHyN

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> This illustration that Olipop did a few years ago may be helpful: 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/in/album-72157640907162813/
>
> He expresses uncertainty about which reach of Bullmoose is represented, 
> saying it may be a 200mm (the other size, which they don't offer anymore). 
>  I would guess that it's a 150mm from the relative extension with the Bosco 
> Bullmoose.  I had a pair of the old 200mm ones and the extension was really 
> long.  
>
> -jeremy
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 9:33:30 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> I've been considering purchasing the bullmoose bar for my Atlantis. With 
>> some 2.2" tires that'd make a real fun rough road bike packing setup. I see 
>> they are only available in a 150mm reach. I'm curious if anyone is using 
>> them here and how that reach compares with other bars?
>>
>> For reference, I'm comfortable with the following:
>> - Nitto albatross with 120mm stem
>> - Nitto noodle with 110mm stem
>> - Soma Portola dirt drop with 100cm dirt drop stem
>>
>> Based on that, any ideas how the bullmoose would fit in? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Jeremy Till]

This illustration that Olipop did a few years ago may be helpful: 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/in/album-72157640907162813/

He expresses uncertainty about which reach of Bullmoose is represented, 
saying it may be a 200mm (the other size, which they don't offer anymore). 
 I would guess that it's a 150mm from the relative extension with the Bosco 
Bullmoose.  I had a pair of the old 200mm ones and the extension was really 
long.  

-jeremy

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 9:33:30 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I've been considering purchasing the bullmoose bar for my Atlantis. With 
> some 2.2" tires that'd make a real fun rough road bike packing setup. I see 
> they are only available in a 150mm reach. I'm curious if anyone is using 
> them here and how that reach compares with other bars?
>
> For reference, I'm comfortable with the following:
> - Nitto albatross with 120mm stem
> - Nitto noodle with 110mm stem
> - Soma Portola dirt drop with 100cm dirt drop stem
>
> Based on that, any ideas how the bullmoose would fit in? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[RoadieRyan]

I have a friend and fellow Seattleite who is a pretty dedicated bicycle 
commuter, his moto is "I will ride in the rain, and I will ride in the 
dark, I will *not* ride in the rain and the dark"  which means he doesn't 
commute much from November to March.  I think Seattle, like most 
economically successful cites is a dichotomy - on the one hand Jobs are 
fairly plentiful, if you have the money there is lots of great culture 
(arts, dining, sports, outdoors) to enjoy on the other congestion, housing 
prices and the gap between haves and have not's sucks. As a native 
North-westerner and a Seattleite for the last quarter century I am biased 
lots of great places to ride, tons of scenic beauty and no better place to 
be on a lovely summer day but it can really suck when its February and it 
seems like its been raining non-stop for months...


Ryan S

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:

> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and 
> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of 
> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes. 
> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a 
> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based 
> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the 
> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a 
> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and 
> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find 
> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and 
> weekends are my riding time).
>
> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year 
> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a 
> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks 
> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and 
> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to 
> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I 
> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good 
> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and 
> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers). 
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Shimano 8-speed bar-ends, new condition

[Joe Bernard]

Bought from Riv last year, sat on a shelf for a while, mounted and used on my 
CLEM for a short stint, swapped the bar for a weird butterfly-looking 
"trekking" bar which doesn't take bar-ends.
No scratches, comes with dt cable stops, no cables, $50 shipped or will 
trade-plus-a-little cash for the IRD Power Ratchet thumbshifters Riv sells.

Joe "buy high, sell low" Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Lungimsam]

I would call RBW.

R B W may be so disturbed about one of their young 3 year old tubes cracking so 
early that they may do something about it for you just on priciple.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[sameness]

It rained in LA this morning. If it can happen here, it can happen 
anywhere. Best to stay put.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 9:30:30 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
> Don't move here :D
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[rob markwardt]

I'd guess I get rained out maybe 1-2 times a year. I ride year round, 
everyday that work doesn't get in the way.  The rain is a bit of a pain at 
times but if you adjust it's doable.  Rain jacket, booties, waterproof 
gloves and fenders are a must.  Another must is patience and adaptability.  
We seldom get big dumps but when they happen you can usually avoid them by 
looking at the radar.  Yesterday was a perfect example...big rain in the 
morning but I could see a window of a couple hours in the afternoon so I 
delayed my ride until then.  If you can't avoid the rain then you ride 
through it.  Usually not a big deal but  you do get colder much easier so 
if I'm not dressed appropriately then I go for shorter rides.  I find I can 
ride in a downpour for about an hour, through the drizzle for 2-3 hours, 
long / all day rides are saved for none rainy days.  Some of the hard core 
rando dudes will ride all day in the rain but it ain't me.   



On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 11:07:48 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:

> Well a lot of factors go into moving, cycling and being outdoors is just 
> one piece of the puzzle. I guess my question, in its most simple form is: 
> is Seattle a constant rain or more intermittent? I think I have my answer, 
> which is its mostly a drizzle, with bouts of steady rain as well as breaks 
> in the clouds, which is fine, and sounds like its fairly easy to fit in a 
> weekend ride assuming I have some flexibility and am ok with at least a 
> drizzle or risk of, summers sound amazing. 
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> You already know that you don't like riding in the rain so unless you 
>> want to try to change that, and you have a choice of where to live, maybe 
>> you should try somewhere else. I was working in the Northeast for the past 
>> 3 years and I decided to do PBP. That meant I rode in lots and lots of less 
>> than ideal cycling weather. Once I made up my mind it was a matter of 
>> suiting up and riding, no matter what. I don't like indoor riding so that 
>> was always a last resort. So I learned that I could ride in pretty much any 
>> weather, but I don't like it one little bit. If I could work and ride 
>> anywhere I think the Southwest might be the place. I guess what I'm saying 
>> is if cycling is important to you and you can live where you want, and hate 
>> the rain, maybe you should choose somewhere that it doesn't rain 200 days a 
>> year :)
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[RBW] Hipster jeans, riding pants, MUSA pants

[Patrick Moore]

On Saturday, while killing time as my daughter agonized over clothing
choices, I came across these:

http://www.target.com/p/men-s-e-waist-chino-pants/-/A-50127767

The local Target (the one on Montgomery just above Wyoming) had the olive
green ones on sale for $19.97 -- rather too bright a green, but for the
price 

Anyway, I bought 2 pr: my first hipster jeans, and they seem *almost* very
good for riding: trim enough not to flap in wind; narrow enough at ankle
not to catch the chain; yet, withall, loose enough that I can sit down on a
chair without the knees binding, waist (I chose 33 w/30 l) loose enough to
accommodate different thicknesses, as of under layers or the 5 lb I've
gained recently; side pockets, rear pockets, no cargo pockets (who wants
keys or iPhone bouncing on your thigh as you pedal), sturdy cotton canvas,
and crotch gusset that doubles the material in the crucial cycling spot.

The 2 principal defects:

1. No zip fly; they have wide elasticized waist with drawstring.

2. While not excessively low cut/high crotch -- they are quite comfortable
around the house -- the rear is about 1-2" lower than ideal for the
in-the-hoods-or-hooks riding position.

Now if Rivendell made these in heavyish nylon with a higher back, in
darkish gray or black, I'd put up with a no-zip front.

Off to see the Wizard; will report.

Am about to test them right *now!*

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[RBW] Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Joe Bernard]

They sweep back quite a bit, so should work for you based on the stem numbers 
you list for other bars. I didn't like them much for street riding, though: The 
fixed position leaves the grip-ends at an oddly up-turned angle I didn't like, 
plus they're WAY too wide for my short arms (this can be fixed with a hacksaw). 
They're probably fine for trail riding, which is what they were designed for 
(and I don't do).

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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[Ron Mc]

trick ride, Bill.  

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Pedals -- Identified

[Leslie]

I thought they reminded me of the VP-001 pedal that RIv carries, makes 
sense that they'd spec something similar...



On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 2:27:08 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> On my separate Appaloosa thread, a couple people asked about the pedals. 
>  I speculated that they might be Wellgo.  I knew I had seen the wavy logo 
> preceding the K926 model number.  It was NOT A Wellgo logo.  It was a 
> Victor logo  (VP).  I've found the model, and it is called the VP Push N2.  
>
> http://www.vp-usa.com/vp-push-n2/
>
> Looks like the going online price is $60, which I guess explains why I 
> thought it was so nice.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[David Johnston]

This is what Jan Heine says:

" You need at least 12 mm between tire and fender, plus about 1 mm for
the fender, and another 2-3 mm for the leather washer that cushions
the fender against the frame. This adds up to about 15 mm between tire
and bridges/fork crown. (Better would be about 20 mm.)"

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/does-my-bike-take-fenders/

On 3/7/16, David Johnston  wrote:
> I have 13mm or 1/2" between the tire and the bottom of the fork crown
> as shown in the picture I posted. There is much more room (greater
> than 1") in the rear between the bridges and the tire.
>
> On 3/6/16, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>> Thanks for the picture Dave. So there's more room in the rear? And a
>> calipered measurement would be great. Looks like SKS fenders might work
>> but
>> metal fenders might be a no go?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 5:42 AM, Dave Johnston  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> It might depend on your particular model. on my 56cm there is plenty of
>>> room on the rear but its a bit tight under the crown on the front. I'd
>>> like
>>> to see more room on the front, but it is still more than most sidepull
>>> setups. I can't take measurements right now but I can post a photo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 12:29:35 AM UTC-5, KTY wrote:

 Hey Aaron, do you think there's any chance of getting fenders in there
 with the RTPs? I'd be attempting this on a 2003 Atlantis (still
 technically
 an Atlantis 2, I believe).



 On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-4, Aaron Young wrote:
>
> hey gang,
>
> The Rat Trap Pass tires arrived today. They fit with ample clearance
> on
> my 56 cm Atlantis. On Velocity Aeroheat rims they measure 47mm. Narrow
> compared to the Big Bens they replaced (52mm on same rims).
>
> Instapics:
>
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JUEnhu37E/
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JXIKgO3_u/
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JX4ovu3w7/
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[David Johnston]

I have 13mm or 1/2" between the tire and the bottom of the fork crown
as shown in the picture I posted. There is much more room (greater
than 1") in the rear between the bridges and the tire.

On 3/6/16, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Thanks for the picture Dave. So there's more room in the rear? And a
> calipered measurement would be great. Looks like SKS fenders might work but
> metal fenders might be a no go?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 5:42 AM, Dave Johnston  wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>> It might depend on your particular model. on my 56cm there is plenty of
>> room on the rear but its a bit tight under the crown on the front. I'd
>> like
>> to see more room on the front, but it is still more than most sidepull
>> setups. I can't take measurements right now but I can post a photo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 12:29:35 AM UTC-5, KTY wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Aaron, do you think there's any chance of getting fenders in there
>>> with the RTPs? I'd be attempting this on a 2003 Atlantis (still
>>> technically
>>> an Atlantis 2, I believe).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-4, Aaron Young wrote:

 hey gang,

 The Rat Trap Pass tires arrived today. They fit with ample clearance on
 my 56 cm Atlantis. On Velocity Aeroheat rims they measure 47mm. Narrow
 compared to the Big Bens they replaced (52mm on same rims).

 Instapics:


 https://instagram.com/p/7JUEnhu37E/

 https://instagram.com/p/7JXIKgO3_u/

 https://instagram.com/p/7JX4ovu3w7/

 Aaron Young
 The Dalles, OR




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[RBW] Appaloosa Pedals -- Identified

[Bill Lindsay]

On my separate Appaloosa thread, a couple people asked about the pedals.  I 
speculated that they might be Wellgo.  I knew I had seen the wavy logo 
preceding the K926 model number.  It was NOT A Wellgo logo.  It was a 
Victor logo  (VP).  I've found the model, and it is called the VP Push N2.  

http://www.vp-usa.com/vp-push-n2/

Looks like the going online price is $60, which I guess explains why I 
thought it was so nice.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

You are right Shoji.  Even with a slammed stem this bike is still quite 
upright.  Since this bike could become a real loaded touring bike for me, I 
am not going to rule out experimenting with drop bars on this bike.  My 
55cm Appaloosa has a shorter effective top tube than my 58cm Atlantis.  So, 
I could easily swap cockpits between the two.  

Speaking of swapping stuff between my Appaloosa and my Atlantis, I did some 
additional work on the front rack situation.  I had a Nitto Mini front and 
a Platrack in my rack inventory.  Since the Appaloosa won't take a Nitto 
Mini front, I decided to try moving a Nitto Big Front rack from my Atlantis 
to the 'Loosa.  



It actually is level.  I would have ridden it into work today, but it's 
pouring rain, and I haven't gotten fenders on yet.  


On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:39:30 AM UTC-8, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Looks great, Bill. I really like the mustard color. 
>
> After looking at long chain-stay bikes for awhile, the Appaloosa looks 
> remarkably normal (with some beautiful details).
>
> I wonder if Riv could've spec'd the Chocomoose with less rise. Slammed 
> stem + expanded frame, and the handlebar grips are quite high-- seems like 
> they're good for high and higher... 
>
> Happy riding,
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 12:02:14 AM UTC-5, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>>
>> Sweet Ride !!
>> Dennis in PDX
>>
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:06:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night 
>>> for a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
>>> part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
>>> Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
>>> forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
>>> with amber.  
>>>
>>> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured 
>>> the Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm 
>>> Appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Brian Campbell]

I have the Bullmoose on my Hunq. and even though the bike is new to me, I 
have used the same set of bars on two other bikes. For rough riding I think 
they are great. On my 61cm AHH, I use a 46cm Nitto Noodle with/ a 90mm 
stem. 

Using the cork ergon grips on the bullmoose allows you to dial in the angle 
at which your wrists fall and given that they attach using an allen bolts 
are easily adjustable, to find the sweet spot for comfort. I rode mine for 
over 3 hrs yesterday and had no pain or stiffness. I have not run them too 
much longer than that so as to all day non stop riding, I am not sure. I am 
thinking of removing about an inch from each end as the width can be a 
blessing and a curse. It allows you to maneuver the bike pretty strongly if 
need be but they can be a bit wide on tighter trails.

Mine are set up with the grips about saddle height and they are the 150mm 
version. FWIW, since I "grew up" on straight bars on mountain bikes, I do 
not like drops or Albas for off road riding. I never feel I get the 
leverage I need when I need to lift or move the bike a substantial amount. 
The problem for me with straight bars though, is the weight distribution 
that creates pain in my wrists, palms & shoulders. I get none of those with 
the bullmoose. There is also no flex in the bar stem combo when you hit 
rough terrain or washboard. I never feel afraid that I am going to wrench 
the bar loose from the stem if I hit a drop off the wrong way or plant in a 
hole.

As a test yesterday, I put my hands on the cross section of the bar above 
the supports and was able to steer confidently when the road was smooth. So 
I guess that could be a second and slightly aero position?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

Well a lot of factors go into moving, cycling and being outdoors is just
one piece of the puzzle. I guess my question, in its most simple form is:
is Seattle a constant rain or more intermittent? I think I have my answer,
which is its mostly a drizzle, with bouts of steady rain as well as breaks
in the clouds, which is fine, and sounds like its fairly easy to fit in a
weekend ride assuming I have some flexibility and am ok with at least a
drizzle or risk of, summers sound amazing.

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> You already know that you don't like riding in the rain so unless you want
> to try to change that, and you have a choice of where to live, maybe you
> should try somewhere else. I was working in the Northeast for the past 3
> years and I decided to do PBP. That meant I rode in lots and lots of less
> than ideal cycling weather. Once I made up my mind it was a matter of
> suiting up and riding, no matter what. I don't like indoor riding so that
> was always a last resort. So I learned that I could ride in pretty much any
> weather, but I don't like it one little bit. If I could work and ride
> anywhere I think the Southwest might be the place. I guess what I'm saying
> is if cycling is important to you and you can live where you want, and hate
> the rain, maybe you should choose somewhere that it doesn't rain 200 days a
> year :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Patrick Moore]

Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding to
ourselves.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, David Stein  wrote:

> Haha, i am legitimately worried about the endless gray skies in the pac
> nw. that could play into it as well, outside of bike riding. i have heard
> strong warnings about the freeze, it does seem very real. though i can't
> say the bay area is a whole lot different in that aspect at least from the
> 5 years I've been here (local rbw riders withstanding that rule of course!)
>
> austin is a viable city with tons of job opportunities for me, spent a bit
> of time there, but probably not going to happen, all my friends just moved
> away from there.
>
> DC or back to Tennessee is the other option if I were to move, those
> winters are pretty brutal but at least i know what i'm in for. DC can have
> more temperate summers, 'can' being the key word. but i remember getting
> pretty stir crazy in the winters.
>
> worst case i say screw it and trade in all my bikes for a pirogue and some
> fishing gear and move back to my home town of new orleans.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
>> Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
>> Don't move here :D
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.
>>>
>>> - Extremely high rent/housing prices.
>>> - Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are
>>> starting to get a little its far too late.
>>> - It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been
>>> shown to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on
>>> purpose? It's real bad.
>>> - Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant group
>>> of people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is real
>>> and people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy people.
>>> I blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a true
>>> friend.
>>>
>>> This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would want
>>> to move here. Some people will chime in with their personal experiences
>>> being slightly different but statistically the rain, the freeze, and the
>>> housing costs are all facts. If you could look outside my window right now
>>> you would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.
>>>
>>> Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and
>>> playing video games inside all night.
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:

 Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without
 rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to
 me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting
 aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where
 the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy
 to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and
 thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in
 the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no
 brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same
 way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.

 The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun
 going down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.

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>
> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't
>> looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the
>> distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to
>> autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying
>> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute
>> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>>
>
> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the
> days get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until
> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute 
> home.
>
> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which
> are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your
> neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're
> commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring,
> lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already
> getting lighter around 6am.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You already know that you don't like riding in the rain so unless you want to 
try to change that, and you have a choice of where to live, maybe you should 
try somewhere else. I was working in the Northeast for the past 3 years and I 
decided to do PBP. That meant I rode in lots and lots of less than ideal 
cycling weather. Once I made up my mind it was a matter of suiting up and 
riding, no matter what. I don't like indoor riding so that was always a last 
resort. So I learned that I could ride in pretty much any weather, but I don't 
like it one little bit. If I could work and ride anywhere I think the Southwest 
might be the place. I guess what I'm saying is if cycling is important to you 
and you can live where you want, and hate the rain, maybe you should choose 
somewhere that it doesn't rain 200 days a year :)

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[drew]

my experience is limited to a vintage nitto set. i think the effective 
reach is 130mm on mine. (available for sale). they look badass, but i did 
not like them for a few reasons. I think those reasons are sort of 
amended/fixed in the newer rivendell offering.  the older ones are, more or 
less, flat/straight bars. there is very little sweep to them. also, the 
quill length doesnt allow them to be raised very much, so i ended up being 
in a pretty aggressive position on a flat bar with one hand position. i 
also felt like they put my body in a position where my legs had to work 
harder. i can see how they would be good for mtb stuff where you need to be 
able to really manhandle the front end. i dont have much call for that type 
of riding, so i disliked them so much that i doubt ill even try the updated 
riv bullmoose. its just not a shape that i see working for me on really 
long or super casual rides, which is mostly what i end up doing. 

this is the progression that my 84 trek mtb went through. 
-albatross, 120cm stem- too uprighty and hand painy over long periods
-map/ahearne- 120cm stem- good mix of upright vs forward leaning. wide 
enough for control and hand movement. 
-vintage bullmoose
-return to map/ahearne happiness. 

like patrick, on my hunq i have albastache bars with a short stem and am 
coming to the realization that these are probably the best bars for me. 

i bought the choco bars to try out (since sold them), and i wouldnt compare 
them to the albastache. if anything, they feel like a flat bosco or an 
albatross that comes back even further, but gives you a slightly more 
comfortable forward position than albatross since there is minimal rise. 
with a 13cm (the longest) tallux, the choco bars retreated toward the 
saddle at least 9-10cm more than the albastache on a stem with a 6cm (the 
shortest) effective reach. 




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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Mark,
I have a bullmoose for my Hunqapillar. (I'll have to check the extension-- 
I don't recall the measurement. Riv carried two or more different 
extensions at some point.)

I have a few sets of bars for the bike:
bullmoose (unknown extension)
albatross (120mm)
48 noodles (100mm)
moustache classic (70mm)

The bullmoose works fine for me as do those other bars. It is quite wide, 
which is fine for some situations, but not so much for commuting in the 
city. As far as comfort: longer rides aren't very comfortable to me. My 
wrists start to ache, and they prefer the angle of albatross or the ability 
to wander to different positions (a la noodles, moustache).

One thing to note: I find the rise a bit high. I'd like a bit more 
aggressive position with the flat bar, but I can't get it any lower. Here's 
a side view of my bike to see the relationship of the bars and saddle:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/13087352004/in/album-72157634163491121/

For reference: it's a 48cm Hunapillar. Saddle height is ~70cm. 

Good luck!
Shoji
   


On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 12:36:41 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'll piggyback on this question, as I've wondered if the bull moose is 
> comfortable as an all-day/multi-day bar on roads and trails v. albastache? 
> Any experience appreciated My ideal bar would be an ablamoosestache! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:33:30 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> I've been considering purchasing the bullmoose bar for my Atlantis. With 
>> some 2.2" tires that'd make a real fun rough road bike packing setup.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

That's exactly how'd I'd build one up. Nicely done.



~Hugh

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> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:45:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Likely I'm the only lister with only one Rivendell and an orange Ram
>> would be such a neat sporty bike.
>>
>
>
> I'm down to only one Riv:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pbridge1300/16126988157/in/album-72157646685720044/
>
> Gotta have one orange bike.
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Re: [RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[Bruce Smitham]

UPDATE: for sale are a few items that I am no longer using or didn't use 
much to begin with:
1.) Rivendell medium sackville shopsack olive with Wald medium basket and 
red cargo net all in excellent to new condition $75 plus shipping CONUS
2.) Rivendell Sackville Trunksack Large (rear) in olive with waterproof 
cover. I just bought this from another group member but don't need it 
because I'm selling my Sam Hillborne. In great condition $70 plus shipping 
CONUS (It's what I paid) *SOLD*
3.) Rivendell Sackville Saddlesack XS Olive in great condition. A few rubs 
here and there $55 plus shipping CONUS
4.) Rivendell Brand V saddlebag XS in tan in good to great condition $45 
plus shipping CONUS *SOLD*

Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskvXLRHg

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Bruce in San Diego

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 7:38:28 AM UTC-8, William R. wrote:
>
> Ok Bruce, done. Payment and email with address sent to you. Thanks. -Bill
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:45:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Likely I'm the only lister with only one Rivendell and an orange Ram would 
> be such a neat sporty bike.  
>


I'm down to only one Riv:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pbridge1300/16126988157/in/album-72157646685720044/

Gotta have one orange bike.

~pb

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

The 100 mile route is now closed! 

http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/03/imperial-century-signups-are-closed.html



On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 7:35:44 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> Awesome! 
>
> I really talk it up here (SCAR, RBW) as I think it's a great all-rounder 
> sort of a ride. Sorry if I go on too much/often...
> Rivendell bikes are absolutely perfect for it though, from the Rambouillet 
> to the Hunq, they will all be fine. And I think the Riv-rider mentality is 
> spot on for something like this. Go out, ride the bike you've got, explore, 
> see what you run into, when you're done figure a way back home and have a 
> great meal! 
>
> Plus I get to see my friends, so it's a win-win-win!!!
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Ado Lucas  wrote:
>
>>
>> After too much planning, then hesitation, then worries,  I decided just 
>> to register and just do it. Then suddenly the hesitation and worries 
>> suddenly disappeared :-)
>>
>> Now the next problem is how to tell my Boss.
>>
>> See yah on the 19th
>>
>> Amado
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Zach Duval]

Isn't the choco basically an albamoosetache?

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Zach Duval]

Isn'the the chocolate basically an albamoosestache?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

Haha, i am legitimately worried about the endless gray skies in the pac nw.
that could play into it as well, outside of bike riding. i have heard
strong warnings about the freeze, it does seem very real. though i can't
say the bay area is a whole lot different in that aspect at least from the
5 years I've been here (local rbw riders withstanding that rule of course!)

austin is a viable city with tons of job opportunities for me, spent a bit
of time there, but probably not going to happen, all my friends just moved
away from there.

DC or back to Tennessee is the other option if I were to move, those
winters are pretty brutal but at least i know what i'm in for. DC can have
more temperate summers, 'can' being the key word. but i remember getting
pretty stir crazy in the winters.

worst case i say screw it and trade in all my bikes for a pirogue and some
fishing gear and move back to my home town of new orleans.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
> Don't move here :D
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.
>>
>> - Extremely high rent/housing prices.
>> - Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are
>> starting to get a little its far too late.
>> - It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been
>> shown to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on
>> purpose? It's real bad.
>> - Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant group
>> of people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is real
>> and people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy people.
>> I blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a true
>> friend.
>>
>> This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would want
>> to move here. Some people will chime in with their personal experiences
>> being slightly different but statistically the rain, the freeze, and the
>> housing costs are all facts. If you could look outside my window right now
>> you would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.
>>
>> Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and
>> playing video games inside all night.
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without
>>> rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to
>>> me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting
>>> aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where
>>> the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy
>>> to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and
>>> thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in
>>> the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no
>>> brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same
>>> way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.
>>>
>>> The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun going
>>> down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>

 I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't
> looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the
> distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to
> autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying
> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute
> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>

 What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the
 days get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until
 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute 
 home.

 Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which
 are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your
 neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're
 commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring,
 lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already
 getting lighter around 6am.

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Mark Reimer]

Hah!!! An albamoosetache, I'd buy that for the name alone!

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 11:36:41 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'll piggyback on this question, as I've wondered if the bull moose is 
> comfortable as an all-day/multi-day bar on roads and trails v. albastache? 
> Any experience appreciated My ideal bar would be an ablamoosestache! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:33:30 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> I've been considering purchasing the bullmoose bar for my Atlantis. With 
>> some 2.2" tires that'd make a real fun rough road bike packing setup.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Deacon Patrick]

I'll piggyback on this question, as I've wondered if the bull moose is 
comfortable as an all-day/multi-day bar on roads and trails v. albastache? 
Any experience appreciated My ideal bar would be an ablamoosestache! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:33:30 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I've been considering purchasing the bullmoose bar for my Atlantis. With 
> some 2.2" tires that'd make a real fun rough road bike packing setup.
>

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[RBW] Re: Ditched the dirt drops for Alba's. Not sure yet...

[Mark Reimer]

Thanks for all the suggestions guy. In the end I think it was just a 
positioning issue. I've angled the bars slightly more downward and raised 
them up a bit and it's improved it a lot. It's still not as comfortable as 
the dirt drops or noodles were for me, but better than I had originally. 
I'm considering thicker cork grips to increase the surface area as well. 
Overall things have improved though!

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 1:29:49 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   You could also set up the Albas without the grip and use bar end brake 
> lever and tape the bars with something padded like cork tape . Tape all the 
> way up and just over the curve. You can tell how far to go as there is a 
> point on the curve where it becomes unusable as it goes down and in. This 
> way you have lots more options including climbing on the curve.  Climbing 
> is often @ 10-11 o'clock high on the curve. 
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[RBW] Bullmoose fitting, what's it similar too?

[Mark Reimer]

I've been considering purchasing the bullmoose bar for my Atlantis. With 
some 2.2" tires that'd make a real fun rough road bike packing setup. I see 
they are only available in a 150mm reach. I'm curious if anyone is using 
them here and how that reach compares with other bars?

For reference, I'm comfortable with the following:
- Nitto albatross with 120mm stem
- Nitto noodle with 110mm stem
- Soma Portola dirt drop with 100cm dirt drop stem

Based on that, any ideas how the bullmoose would fit in? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Jim Bronson]

Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
Don't move here :D

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.
>
> - Extremely high rent/housing prices.
> - Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are starting
> to get a little its far too late.
> - It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been shown
> to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on purpose?
> It's real bad.
> - Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant group
> of people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is real
> and people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy people.
> I blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a true
> friend.
>
> This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would want
> to move here. Some people will chime in with their personal experiences
> being slightly different but statistically the rain, the freeze, and the
> housing costs are all facts. If you could look outside my window right now
> you would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.
>
> Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and
> playing video games inside all night.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without
>> rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to
>> me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting
>> aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where
>> the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy
>> to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and
>> thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in
>> the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no
>> brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same
>> way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.
>>
>> The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun going
>> down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't
 looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the
 distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to
 autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying
 suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute
 by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.

>>>
>>> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the days
>>> get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until
>>> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute home.
>>>
>>> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which
>>> are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your
>>> neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're
>>> commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring,
>>> lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already
>>> getting lighter around 6am.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Ryan Ray]

Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.

- Extremely high rent/housing prices.
- Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are starting 
to get a little its far too late.
- It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been shown 
to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on purpose? 
It's real bad.
- Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant group of 
people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is real and 
people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy people. I 
blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a true friend.

This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would want to 
move here. Some people will chime in with their personal experiences being 
slightly different but statistically the rain, the freeze, and the housing 
costs are all facts. If you could look outside my window right now you 
would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.

Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and 
playing video games inside all night.

- Ryan





On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without 
> rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to 
> me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting 
> aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where 
> the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy 
> to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and 
> thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in 
> the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no 
> brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same 
> way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.
>
> The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun going 
> down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't 
>>> looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the 
>>> distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to 
>>> autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying 
>>> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute 
>>> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>>>
>>
>> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the days 
>> get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until 
>> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute home.
>>
>> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which 
>> are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your 
>> neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're 
>> commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring, 
>> lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already 
>> getting lighter around 6am. 
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Re: [RBW] Seattle riding weather

[Jim Bronson]

There are plenty of people in the Seattle Randonneuring group who make the
R-12 (a 200K every month for a year) and K-Hound (10,000KM in a year) so it
must not be that bad ;)

Actually I'm from western Oregon originally and had weather not so
dissimilar to Seattle. I never really thought twice about riding in the
rain when I was a kid because I didn't know any different.  I had a Schwinn
Collegiate 12 speed with EGSE fenders, now known of course as SKS.  The
only thing you had to be careful about was the brakes, they were highly
ineffective when wet with the steel rims.

Of course nowadays with machined aluminum sidewalls stopping power in the
wet is a lot better.

The rain is different in the NW than in the South.  It's sunnier more in
the South with more thunderstorms and torrential downpours.  Not so much in
the NW, thunderstorms are relatively rare west of the Cascades.  In the NW,
you'll get the same amount of rain in 100 days of drizzle.  You can handle
the drizzle, man up and go ride.  Just stay home on the truly nasty days.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 8:38 PM, dstein  wrote:

> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and
> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of
> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes.
> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a
> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based
> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the
> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a
> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and
> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find
> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and
> weekends are my riding time).
>
> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year
> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a
> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks
> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and
> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to
> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I
> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good
> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and
> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers).
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[dougP]

If the seller gets his price, he will be (roughly) getting back his 
purchasing power on his investment.  I doubt anyone buys a frame, then 
stores it for a long time, with the intent to sell in the future.  However, 
if that is the case, he's only breaking even on this one.  

As always, the market will find the "right" price.  

dougP

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:37:02 AM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>
> This thread prompted me to search through my files to see what I paid for 
> my orange Ram back in early '05.  It was $1,300 for the frame (and 
> presumably with the headset since there is no separate cost broken out for 
> it).  Not sure how that relates to today's dollars.  OTOH, I'm also not 
> sure how it relates to the frame itself, either.  Do they depreciate or 
> appreciate in value over time?  Seems like it's kind of up to the 
> individual.
>
> I have a neighbor who owns an early 60's Triumph TR4.  Those were not 
> really well made top-of-the-line sports cars in their day.  They weren't 
> intended to be.  Yet, he's kept it in pristine condition and he tells me 
> that he could easily get in the mid-$20K range for it.  I looked the year 
> and model up on the Web and he's pretty much correct.  It's a collector's 
> item.  A vintage car. Maybe even a cult following.  And so it probably is 
> with these frames.  Not sure I'd be willing to go to $1,800 for one, 
> though, NIB or not.
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:09:43 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> There's an ad in the new BQ for the *L'Avecaise To Go*, $1700.  Not sure 
>> what the "to go" model is, perhaps stock sizes.
>>
>> On 03/07/2016 10:47 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he 
>> did not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I got 
>> a quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls and it 
>> was $2,300. FYI.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Brian Campbell]

You are correct. I pulled the e-mail just to double check myself and I had 
added in lots of "extras". Sorry for the incorrect info. BTW, I would have 
put the order in when I spoke with him but I just didn't have the extra 
cabbage. Beautiful frames and super nice guy to boot.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 11:09:43 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> There's an ad in the new BQ for the *L'Avecaise To Go*, $1700.  Not sure 
> what the "to go" model is, perhaps stock sizes.
>
> On 03/07/2016 10:47 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he did 
> not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I got a 
> quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls and it was 
> $2,300. FYI.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without
rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to
me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting
aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where
the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy
to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and
thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in
the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no
brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same
way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.

The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun going
down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't looked
>> back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the distinct
>> change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to autumn,
>> winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying
>> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute
>> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>>
>
> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the days
> get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until
> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute home.
>
> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which are
> not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your
> neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're
> commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring,
> lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already
> getting lighter around 6am.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[George Schick]

This thread prompted me to search through my files to see what I paid for 
my orange Ram back in early '05.  It was $1,300 for the frame (and 
presumably with the headset since there is no separate cost broken out for 
it).  Not sure how that relates to today's dollars.  OTOH, I'm also not 
sure how it relates to the frame itself, either.  Do they depreciate or 
appreciate in value over time?  Seems like it's kind of up to the 
individual.

I have a neighbor who owns an early 60's Triumph TR4.  Those were not 
really well made top-of-the-line sports cars in their day.  They weren't 
intended to be.  Yet, he's kept it in pristine condition and he tells me 
that he could easily get in the mid-$20K range for it.  I looked the year 
and model up on the Web and he's pretty much correct.  It's a collector's 
item.  A vintage car. Maybe even a cult following.  And so it probably is 
with these frames.  Not sure I'd be willing to go to $1,800 for one, 
though, NIB or not.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:09:43 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> There's an ad in the new BQ for the *L'Avecaise To Go*, $1700.  Not sure 
> what the "to go" model is, perhaps stock sizes.
>
> On 03/07/2016 10:47 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he did 
> not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I got a 
> quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls and it was 
> $2,300. FYI.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

['Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch]

> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't looked 
> back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the distinct 
> change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to autumn, 
> winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying 
> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute 
> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>

What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the days 
get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until 
9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute home.

Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which are 
not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your 
neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're 
commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring, 
lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already 
getting lighter around 6am. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Steve Palincsar]

There's an ad in the new BQ for the *L'Avecaise To Go*, $1700.  Not sure 
what the "to go" model is, perhaps stock sizes.


On 03/07/2016 10:47 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he 
did not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I 
got a quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls 
and it was $2,300. FYI.


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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Brian Campbell]

Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he did 
not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I got a 
quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls and it was 
$2,300. FYI.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I don't own a Jeff Lyon, but a friend in the local bike club had one, 
> and I've seen it up close and have ridden it a short distance. It's 
> lovely, every bit as nice as my MAP.  But, as you note, it's not a 
> Rivendell -- it's not even very much like a Rivendell, being in the 
> small diameter tubing, front loading low trail camp. 
>
> On 03/07/2016 10:11 AM, islaysteve wrote: 
> > Steve, I did look briefly at the Lyons website and I agree that they 
> look very nice for the price.  Since you own one, I'll take your word as to 
> quality, etc.  so I stand corrected on that point.  What I found even more 
> intriguing was the fact that a full Lyon custom is $1000 less than a Riv 
> custom.  Not that Riv is the standard for a custom frame.  But if you love 
> Rivendell, then I guess a Riv custom probably is the ultimate (and you pay 
> their price.). 
> > Cheers, Steve (who is going to enjoy riding his non-custom Bleriot in 
> the nice weather today) 
> > 
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Looking for a Pletcher Clem rack and a medium Wald basket

[Brian Campbell]

Bruce, Thanks I definitely saw it but I have the bag and the net already. 
The basket I had previously got sold with the bike it was attached too. I 
never learn.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 9:57:52 AM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> Hi Brian, I have a medium wald basket and net that I bought from Riv and 
> never used. I posted an FS listing on this group and there are pictures. I 
> also have a Sackville Shopsack medium in olive with little or no use. I'm 
> asking $75 plus shipping for the whole thing. Let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:46:39 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> As stated in the title, the Clem rack I am looking for is out of stock. I 
>> have a silver Tubus Fly for 700c I could trade or an older, silver, Jim 
>> Blackburn that mounts over the brake nut hole plus lots of other parts & 
>> stuff. Let me know and thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rene's Hungapillar: Version 3.0

[Mark Reimer]

Man that fork is s nice Beautiful build all around, ready to shred!

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-6, Mark Etze wrote:
>
>
> The 2 kid thing reminds of what the saiswhen Prince Charles had his 
> second, an heir and a spare. So you are covered.
>
> Your pictures of the fork crown and head tube shows why people love Riv's, 
> the details are amazing.
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Re: [RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[William R.]

Ok Bruce, done. Payment and email with address sent to you. Thanks. -Bill

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[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Kieran J]

This made me grin out loud. GOLzz.

KJ

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 7:55:04 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.
>
> For grins I tested this out the other day, though not intentionally. I 
> headed off without grabbing my ventile jacket. Oops. I think the temp was 
> sunny and mid-30's. But boy-howdy was there a wind. The kind of wind that 
> makes the ride steeper both ways -- steeper up the pass, steeper down the 
> pass. My bones had goose pimples. On a whim, I decided to see what I had in 
> my saddlebag. Ha! I'd not unpacked my single layer ventile. I donned it and 
> was instantly out of the wind. Everything relaxed. It took a half mile of 
> chugging up the pass some more to warm my bones back up, but I instantly 
> felt better. I was no longer "braving" anything. I was out having a blast, 
> getting blasted by 40+ mph winds, then turning around and letting those 
> winds sail me down the dirt roads and paths in an amazing sensation of 
> going 40ish mph (no computer, so no idea) without feeling any wind. Awesome!
>
> Clothing matters. Attitude and choice that weather doesn't matter matters. 
> Combine those two and everything else is kid-on-a-bike delight!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> ~~~
> "(I realize that this is subjective to most people who brave rain, snow, 
> or sleet, but I am not one of them :))"
>

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Edwin W]

First of all, thanks to all of you for your help, even when it is 
contradictory - "sand some more", no "don't sand any more!" "Send to Riv" 
vs "no, don't send to Riv yet!"

I am going to see if there is a local frame builder here (there was, but I 
haven't heard of him for awhile), consult with Riv, consult with my LBS, 
and try to figure something out. 

I will keep you all updated. I rode my mid 1970's Raleigh sprite to work 
today - also acquired off this list. Thanks Marty G!

Edwin


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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Steve Palincsar]

I don't own a Jeff Lyon, but a friend in the local bike club had one, 
and I've seen it up close and have ridden it a short distance. It's 
lovely, every bit as nice as my MAP.  But, as you note, it's not a 
Rivendell -- it's not even very much like a Rivendell, being in the 
small diameter tubing, front loading low trail camp.


On 03/07/2016 10:11 AM, islaysteve wrote:

Steve, I did look briefly at the Lyons website and I agree that they look very 
nice for the price.  Since you own one, I'll take your word as to quality, etc. 
 so I stand corrected on that point.  What I found even more intriguing was the 
fact that a full Lyon custom is $1000 less than a Riv custom.  Not that Riv is 
the standard for a custom frame.  But if you love Rivendell, then I guess a Riv 
custom probably is the ultimate (and you pay their price.).
Cheers, Steve (who is going to enjoy riding his non-custom Bleriot in the nice 
weather today)



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[RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[islaysteve]

Steve, I did look briefly at the Lyons website and I agree that they look very 
nice for the price.  Since you own one, I'll take your word as to quality, etc. 
 so I stand corrected on that point.  What I found even more intriguing was the 
fact that a full Lyon custom is $1000 less than a Riv custom.  Not that Riv is 
the standard for a custom frame.  But if you love Rivendell, then I guess a Riv 
custom probably is the ultimate (and you pay their price.).  
Cheers, Steve (who is going to enjoy riding his non-custom Bleriot in the nice 
weather today)

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Looking for a Pletcher Clem rack and a medium Wald basket

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Brian, I have a medium wald basket and net that I bought from Riv and 
never used. I posted an FS listing on this group and there are pictures. I 
also have a Sackville Shopsack medium in olive with little or no use. I'm 
asking $75 plus shipping for the whole thing. Let me know.

Thanks,

Bruce

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> As stated in the title, the Clem rack I am looking for is out of stock. I 
> have a silver Tubus Fly for 700c I could trade or an older, silver, Jim 
> Blackburn that mounts over the brake nut hole plus lots of other parts & 
> stuff. Let me know and thanks!
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[RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Kieran J]

The Ram has enough shortcomings that, unless it is exactly what you want, 
the price is quite high compared to options available. I like mine but I 
would never consider paying $1800 for the frameset - even if it was NIB.

KJ


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> https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/5459510887.html
>
> Not mine, but wow gorgeous frame!
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Re: [RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Bill, it's still available. You can paypal me at: wineh...@gmail.com and
please use "friends & family" or cover any charges. How about an extra $5
for shipping so $50 total. I can't imagine it's much more. It might fit in
one of those priority 2 day envelopes for $6.95. Also, let me know where
you want it shipped.

Thanks,

Bruce

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> Hi Bruce. If still available I will take the small Brand V Saddlebag. I
> can pay via PayPal. Let me know.
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
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[RBW] WTB/WTT: Looking for a Pletcher Clem rack and a medium Wald basket

[Brian Campbell]

As stated in the title, the Clem rack I am looking for is out of stock. I 
have a silver Tubus Fly for 700c I could trade or an older, silver, Jim 
Blackburn that mounts over the brake nut hole plus lots of other parts & 
stuff. Let me know and thanks!

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Re: [RBW] p65 fender mudflaps

[Tim Gavin]

The P65 longboards have some wide/short ducktail mudflaps.  Riv sells the P45
version , maybe they could order
you the P65 ones?

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:19 PM, dstein  wrote:

> mounted some p65 fenders on my hunqapillar with rat trap pass tires. these
> don't come with mudflaps though, anyone use these and find one that works
> with these wide fenders? Just looking for one for the front.
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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[Shoji Takahashi]

Looks great, Bill. I really like the mustard color. 

After looking at long chain-stay bikes for awhile, the Appaloosa looks 
remarkably normal (with some beautiful details).

I wonder if Riv could've spec'd the Chocomoose with less rise. Slammed stem 
+ expanded frame, and the handlebar grips are quite high-- seems like 
they're good for high and higher... 

Happy riding,
shoji



On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 12:02:14 AM UTC-5, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>
> Sweet Ride !!
> Dennis in PDX
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:06:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night 
>> for a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
>> part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
>> Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
>> forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
>> with amber.  
>>
>> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured 
>> the Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm 
>> Appaloosa.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Steve Palincsar]

You need to take a look at Jeff Lyon's frames.  The L'Avecaise is 
definitely "NAHBS quality" and equally definitely nicer than a 
Rambouillet -- not to mention the fact that it's custom fitted, not a 
stock frame sized in 2 cm increments.


On 03/07/2016 08:30 AM, islaysteve wrote:
I guess you can get some customs for less than $2000, but I doubt you 
could get an NAHBS-quality lugged frame for less. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[islaysteve]

Well now that the issue of price has been raised, I will say that the 
asking price struck me as high.  However, consider that this is a NIB 
Rivendell that is no longer made, a bike that is highly desireable 
(apparently) in what is arguably the most desirable color.  It's less than 
a new Rodeo or AHH, even if we consider that a buyer may or may not want 
one of those models more.  I guess you can get some customs for less than 
$2000, but I doubt you could get an NAHBS-quality lugged frame for less. 
 And finally, many Riv owners/buyers wouldn't consider anything else.  So 
it is, for some, indeed the Grail.  I'm not defending the price, just 
expressing some thoughts.  Someone will pay what they will pay, obviously. 
Steve

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> Wow, that is an insane price for a Ram frameset in my opinion... I'm all 
> for a Riv and I would LOVE an orange Ram, but $1800 can get you so much 
> more... Heck, you can get Black Mountain Cycles road frame that rides as 
> nice as any bike I've had (and there have been many to include Rivs) for 
> less than half that... 
>
> I say get it if that's the Grail you've been looking for, but just know 
> there are other options out there... I wonder how many NAHBS framesets you 
> could get for $2k? 
>
> Chris
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/07/2016 07:12 AM, Chris wrote:

Wow, that is an insane price for a Ram frameset in my opinion... I'm all for a 
Riv and I would LOVE an orange Ram, but $1800 can get you so much more... Heck, 
you can get Black Mountain Cycles road frame that rides as nice as any bike 
I've had (and there have been many to include Rivs) for less than half that...


You could get a new Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise for that kind of money.




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[RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[William R.]

Hi Bruce. If still available I will take the small Brand V Saddlebag. I can pay 
via PayPal. Let me know.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Rene's Hungapillar: Version 3.0

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The 2 kid thing reminds of what the saiswhen Prince Charles had his second, 
an heir and a spare. So you are covered.

Your pictures of the fork crown and head tube shows why people love Riv's, 
the details are amazing.

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[RBW] Re: Rene's Hungapillar: Version 3.0

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome build! Enjoy loving those trails in a whole new way!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 1:41:36 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I was the proud purchaser of Rene's Hunq frame with the low trail fork. 
> Already having a 61cm Hilsen, the Hunq was acquired with off-road riding in 
> mind. I finally got it finished last night and was able to spend about 3 
> hrs on it this morning. Lots of fun, the low trail fork does a really good 
> job with handling at low speeds. It is on the large side for me, I fall "in 
> between" on the Riv sizing scale, I am 6'1" 185 with a longer torso, so 
> this seems to be working. There were a couple of dismounts that reminded me 
> that the top tube was there but since I have 2 kids and won't be needing 
> anymore, it should work.
>
> Here is a link to the pics to prove it happened. I need to tighten down 
> the headset and adjust the front brake to stop a minor squeal. The 
> chainrings are place holders until I determine the final configuration. 
> Thanks again Rene!
>
> http://s91.photobucket.com/user/bylar13/library/Hunqapillar?sort=2=1
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[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Deacon Patrick]

There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.

For grins I tested this out the other day, though not intentionally. I 
headed off without grabbing my ventile jacket. Oops. I think the temp was 
sunny and mid-30's. But boy-howdy was there a wind. The kind of wind that 
makes the ride steeper both ways -- steeper up the pass, steeper down the 
pass. My bones had goose pimples. On a whim, I decided to see what I had in 
my saddlebag. Ha! I'd not unpacked my single layer ventile. I donned it and 
was instantly out of the wind. Everything relaxed. It took a half mile of 
chugging up the pass some more to warm my bones back up, but I instantly 
felt better. I was no longer "braving" anything. I was out having a blast, 
getting blasted by 40+ mph winds, then turning around and letting those 
winds sail me down the dirt roads and paths in an amazing sensation of 
going 40ish mph (no computer, so no idea) without feeling any wind. Awesome!

Clothing matters. Attitude and choice that weather doesn't matter matters. 
Combine those two and everything else is kid-on-a-bike delight!

With abandon,
Patrick

~~~
"(I realize that this is subjective to most people who brave rain, snow, or 
sleet, but I am not one of them :))"

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Ron Mc]

Metallurgist here.  
Not semantics, but a crack is a progressive thing.  Your "cracks" show 
displacement (opening strain) and blunt tips.  My best guess, this is 
actually overload tearing that showed up from constraint and thermal 
contraction during cooling from the original braze.  It's been masked by 
paint until flexure finally popped the paint.  
It may never grow as a progressive crack, but is not a good thing to have. 
 The easiest fix, short of ignoring it, would be strip all the paint, 
dye-check or magnaflux.  (If you don't know somebody, you can check for 
local nondestructive testing shops.)  If you verify there are no tight 
growing crack extensions, drill holes at the visible tips to ensure they 
have a generous radius.  1/16" drill is probably sufficient.  
I still recommend bringing this to Rivendell's attention and letting them 
offer alternative repair solutions.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Chris]

Wow, that is an insane price for a Ram frameset in my opinion... I'm all for a 
Riv and I would LOVE an orange Ram, but $1800 can get you so much more... Heck, 
you can get Black Mountain Cycles road frame that rides as nice as any bike 
I've had (and there have been many to include Rivs) for less than half that... 

I say get it if that's the Grail you've been looking for, but just know there 
are other options out there... I wonder how many NAHBS framesets you could get 
for $2k? 

Chris

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