[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

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On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:59:52 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> I lost out on a set of Bon Jon tires trying to reply directly to the 
> poster. I've lost out on several items this way.  If you're on a Mac, the 
> only option to reply directly to the poster is by switching to "Desktop", 
> which then gives you the option to reply directly. I've done this several 
> times and I get an email reply (always either several hours later or in my 
> spam folder) that my reply has been rejected. By then, someone has already 
> bought the item. Yes, I get the email digest, in which the posters entire 
> email address is listed (even on the desktop version, on a Mac or iPhone, 
> the email address is only partial, thus of no use) but by the time it 
> comes, the item is usually sold. I guess my point is that I will always 
> have to reply on list to any for sale post, if I hope to have a chance at 
> the item. So please understand that I'm not ignoring your request to be 
> contacted offline because I'm a dick (although, undoubtedly I am at times) 
> it's because I want the item and can't get it any other way. 
>
> Peace, 
> Tim "now in Casa Grande, AZ and learning about goatheads" Kirch

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Clem L in size 52; $2,625 shipped to CONUS, grilver color, Riv custom build

[DSA]

SOLD

On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 12:46:36 AM UTC-4, DSA wrote:
>
> Price drop to $2,225.
>
> Thank to all for the compliments and advice.  I'm trying to tie this up in 
> one fell swoop and not part it out due to my time constraints.
>
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 1:50:11 PM UTC-4, Derek Allen wrote:
>>
>> I paid $3,450 from Rivdendell, rec’d the bike on DEC 12, my wife rode it 
>> once for less than 15 miles.  She needs to have hip surgery and I need to 
>> sell the bike.  
>>
>> Asking $2,500 plus $125 shipped if not picking it up in Washington D.C. 
>> area.  It is in pristine condition.  I have the original invoice, box, and 
>> packing materials from Rivendell.   
>>
>> The build list:
>> Rivendell 52cm Grilver Clem L frame - $850.00
>> (from Rivendell website: Typical rider height: 5'5" to 5'11") 
>>
>> Front wheel: XT dyno to Atlas 36h 650b - $360.00
>> Rear wheel: Deore to Atlas 36h 650b - $245.00
>> 2 x 650b tubes - $12.00
>> 2 x Schwalbe Marathons 650b x 42mm - $84.00
>> Dyno Wire - $5.00
>> Dyno Rack Light - $37.00
>> Schmidt Edelux II - Ano - $185.00
>> Shimano Deore T610 V-Brakes - Silver - $55.00
>> SunRace V brake levers - $30.00
>> SKS/ESGE Commuter II Silver Fenders - B65, 700c (29er) - 55.00
>> Labor - Fender Installation - $55.00
>> Crank: Sugino XD2 wide/low double 40t x 26t, 170mm - $146.00
>> Shimano Deore M591 rear derailer - $56.00
>> Silver Downtube Shifter Kits - $46.00
>> Sunrace mounts - $15.00
>> Shimano CLARIS front derailer for double - $25.00
>> Velo Saddle - black - $20.00
>> cables and housing - $30.00
>> Pletscher Clem Rack - $78.00
>> Pletscher Clem Rack Pannier Rails (pair) - $12.00
>> Pletscher Clem Rack tail light mount - $4.00
>> Pletscher Kickstand Hardware - Shorty Bolt - $1.00
>> Pletscher single leg Kickstand barefoot - $15.00
>> Labor - Racks, Lights, Etc.
>> labor-accessory $25.00 2 $50.00
>> Chains - 9 speed - $25.00
>> Nitto BarSack Rack F15 - $78.00
>> Sackville BarSack - Blue - $190.00
>> 2 Sackville Backabike Rear Bag, Blue, - $276.00
>> Thin gripsters - grey - 68.00
>> 12-36 cassette - $40.00
>> Dutch Paddle Grip - $10.00
>> Nitto Bosco Bar - Cromo 55cm x 25.4 - $68.00
>> Nitto HiRiser 25.4, 1" quill stem - $73.00
>> Subtotal $3,280.65
>> Shipping (Bike Shipping): $170.00
>> Total: $3,450.65
>>
>> Flickr link for photos:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/95158823@N03/albums/72157693998205921
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[dstein]

Props for accomplishing this. I've ridden through Redwood/JMP to Chabot and 
on to San Leandro BART sticking to trails the whole way, which is only like 
a 3rd of this and it kicked my ass (though I started from rockridge bart so 
I was 5 miles of climbing in already). I don't do long road rides either, 
usually 25-35 miles so maybe I'm just a lightweight. But anyway, I know 
those trails and for the people on here not in the area, I can attest 
they're pretty freaking hard.

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[RBW] Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm working for a few months in Casa Grande, AZ, about halfway between Phoenix 
and Tucson, in the valley. I've got 3 bikes here, so I'm going to pull the 
fenders off my Homer (which has become really fun with Albatross bars) and put 
some wide (38-42mm) tires. It will be my around town, out to the mountain, dirt 
canal path (maybe even a dirt century), light gravel bike. I don't think I want 
Compass because, although I love them, I'm a heavy rider and the rear Compass 
on my MAP wore out after 1500 miles. I think they're too fragile. And I 
discovered goatheads yesterday on the Hunqapillar. Patrick Moore, I think I 
honestly thought that I would be that guy from the Midwest who came out here 
and didn't use sealant and didn't get a flat. WRONG!!! Rear flat on the 
Hunqapillar. The the the goathead was still all there. I didn't see the other 
four spots with just the slivers.  I got sealant and new tubes at the bike shop 
for the 700x2.1 Thunder Burts. It was a huge mess. The first tube went ok but I 
guess I took too long on the second and and it kept clogging and spewing and 
and what did go in oozed back out. I think I'd just as soon not use it again 
but if the consensus of the group is that I must, then I will. So, which tough 
tire with no sealant. Or convince me to use sealant. 

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[RBW] Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Lum Gim Fong]

Definitely nothing to thumb yer nose at either. Congrats, Bill! And thanks for 
the recommendation Patrick!

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[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Jonathan D.]

The iPhone offers the same option.

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[RBW] Re: Frustrated by RBW lack of inventory

[Lum Gim Fong]

Happened ti me b4.
Stuff not available.
But that us the nature of their business, not being a superstore.

Though they are a super store.

I used to have a wishlist. But with the new website design I no longer have 
access to one. Only dead clicking icon options for it.

But it still shows all previous orders, which is great.

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[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Drw]

It is possible.

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[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Joe Bernard]

I can switch to Desktop mode on my Android to PM. Is it different on the iPhone?

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[RBW] Re: Frustrated by RBW lack of inventory

[Kieran J]

I feel like if I actually lived in Walnut Creek, Riv HQ would be my 
dedicated bike shop and I would also spend a lot of time hanging out there 
too. From a mail-order company perspective, they just can't compete based 
on their business model reality.

My old LBS in Toronto (shout-out to Urbane Cyclist!) almost always had the 
stuff I needed, and it was on my way home from work. That immediate access 
does a lot to keep the customer-shop relationship alive and healthy.

KJ


On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 5:01:09 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> OK, so I'm no longer a big bike spender, but I do own three Riv bikes and 
> feel some loyalty to the company.  At 73 all I need are replacement parts. 
>   I haven't ordered anything from RBW in two years because every time I try 
> to put in an order half of what I need is out of stock.  
>
> It's finally Spring in Vt and this week I pulled all the bikes out of the 
> basement, cleaned & tuned them up.  I made a list of the replacement parts 
> I needed, which was really very short - new HB tape and one tire.  Of 
> course I can always use cleaner and lube so added them in, then threw in a 
> chain guard for the Rambouillet.  Went to the RBW site and discovered that 
> the tire I wanted was out of stock, as was the chain guard.  Not much point 
> in putting in an order for HB tape and two items I can buy anywhere
>
> VO has the tire (650b X 38 skin wall) and HB  tape, so once again no sale 
> for RBW.
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] WTB: 1 5mm Brass Ferrule

[Conway Bennett]

I need 1 5mm brass ferrule so I can swap some bars and levers and everything 
will be all simetrical.  I don't want to buy the bag of 12 from Riv cause I 
won't have the need for the rest.  Thanks in advance.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway
www.ChicaGoByBoat.com
833.312.BOAT
@svnightswimming

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[RBW] Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Deacon Patrick]

Impressive, Bill! Piecing together routes is a far more challenging endeavour 
than I ever thought it would be. No matter the system of maps, roads or trails 
differ in the real world. Part of the challenge I’ve run into is very few 
people are true all terrain riders, happy to ride quiet roads and back trails. 
But more and more “adventure routes” and races seem to make great routes in 
areas I’ve attempted, but they figure it out better than I do. Or I’m hoping 
they have, as I’m going to try some of their routes this year! Grin. Great job! 
Over 20% grades are nothing to sneeze at!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Frustrated by RBW lack of inventory

[Pondero]

Me too.

In the last several months I've had to abandon multiple intended orders due to 
out of stock items, and met my needs in other ways.  "Here, take my money! Oh, 
okay, never mind..."

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Chris Birkenmaier]

My problem has been that I see something I want while on my I-phone so I 
have to get to my laptop to send the direct message.  I try not to post to 
the ad on the forum as per request.  By then, if I am away from home, I 
have lost out on buying the item.  

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 6:12:32 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> Also on a Mac. You should be on the desktop version always, unless you are 
> using a mobile device like an iPad or iPhone. Then you just hit the reply 
> arrow and select “reply privately” or whatever it says. 
> I’ve never had a problem with messages going through and I’ve missed out 
> on lots of stuff.

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[RBW] Re: FS: More Brooks Saddles and a Fujita

[Chris Birkenmaier]

UPDATE 2

#1 Brooks B67 Brown - sold
#5 - Fujita - sold
#3 - Brooks B17S pending payment

Brooks Brown B67 and Brooks B17 Narrow still available

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 2:10:59 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> Round 2 of attempting to purge some saddle stash.  I have photos of all so 
> please feel free to email me if you'd like to see them.  Payment of PayPal 
> Friends and Family is appreciated.  Shipping to CONUS only.
>
> 1.  Brooks B67, brown, sprung, very lightly used, no bolt adjustment.  $85 
> shipped
> 2.  Brooks B67, black, sprung, looks new, no bolt adjustment  $85 shipped
> 3.  Brooks B17S, Ladies Standard, dark honey, few miles, 2 small scuffs on 
> the nose, no bolt adjustment  $55 shipped
> 4.  Brooks B17 Narrow, ridden but very nice appearance, no bolt 
> adjustment  $75 shipped
> 5.  Fujita Professional, looks similar in style to the Brooks Pro but has 
> small Copper rivets, leather is nice, very classy looking!  $45 shipped
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Free Novara Frame and Rim Tape

[CMR]

PM sent, I'll take it - Thanks!
Chris
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Deacon Patrick]

If you’re needing recovery between rides you may be riding way past your 
aerobic threshold and riding yourself into the ground. If so, I recommend 
getting Phil Maffetone’s book(s) on building aerobic capacity.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Lum Gim Fong]

My round trip work commute, least miles, is 30 miles. Every year I work up to 
coupla times per week but usually can’t do more as i never recover fast enough 
for some reason. I do shorter rides in between. Restaurant runs, etc.

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[RBW] Frustrated by RBW lack of inventory

[Daniel Jackson]

But anger and frustration lead to the Dsrk Side. 

Your VT companion who is finally enjoying the weather and supporting his local 
LBS replacement part purchases. 

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[RBW] Frustrated by RBW lack of inventory

[Deacon Patrick]

I hear ya, Michael. Situational discernment. I view Rivendell as carrying long 
term, “capital” bike goods. Yes, they have consumable goods (jthey are 
necessary for bike builds, afterall), but as you point out, those are easily 
gotten many places. With their recent refocusing after being over extended and 
needing to work the rosary beads with a Hail Mary (I know Grant things it’s a 
football term. Grin.), this seems even more the case. Frames? Silver shifter, 
cranks, and surfers? Best biking bags in the world? Durable goods. If I place 
an order for durable goods and they have the consumable goods I need too, 
great, but cables, housing, tires, tubes, et al — if that’s all I need to go 
LBS because that’s not Rivendell’s focus. WIth a family of six whom we’re 
outfitting with bikes for their adult lives, we’re still in the durable goods 
buying stage. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Frustrated by RBW lack of inventory

[Michael Hechmer]

OK, so I'm no longer a big bike spender, but I do own three Riv bikes and 
feel some loyalty to the company.  At 73 all I need are replacement parts. 
  I haven't ordered anything from RBW in two years because every time I try 
to put in an order half of what I need is out of stock.  

It's finally Spring in Vt and this week I pulled all the bikes out of the 
basement, cleaned & tuned them up.  I made a list of the replacement parts 
I needed, which was really very short - new HB tape and one tire.  Of 
course I can always use cleaner and lube so added them in, then threw in a 
chain guard for the Rambouillet.  Went to the RBW site and discovered that 
the tire I wanted was out of stock, as was the chain guard.  Not much point 
in putting in an order for HB tape and two items I can buy anywhere

VO has the tire (650b X 38 skin wall) and HB  tape, so once again no sale 
for RBW.

Michael

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Joe Bernard]

Cecily: I just got back from a 23-mile eChev ride and you are correct that it's 
still pedaling. Maybe not the workout I would have gotten non-assisted, but I 
wouldn't have made that run today in the time I had available otherwise. I 
totally agree with you that we're still out there spinning pedals and getting 
sun and breathing air..it's a GOOD thing!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags, Parts, Accessories (lotsa)

[Minh]

**Updated and removed items sold, FYI i’ll be out of town 5/2-5/10, so nothing 
will be shipped between those dates

Bike Parts for Sale
TLDR: (but make sure to read below on condtion of certain items!!)
Shipping not included.  Photos: https://goo.gl/photos/9NfCPWYZ6BJEL13f6

Berthoud 372 Panniers (Gray), $300
Berthoud 604 Saddle Bag + Rack: $200
Brooks Challenge Tool Saddle Bag, Black, $25
Baggins Handlebar Bag: $75,

Shimano LX V-Brake, $10
Silver Bar-End Shifters and Pods, $50
GranCompe Shifters on Silver Pods, $50
IRD Top Shifter Mounts Only: $50
Suntour Accushift DT Shifters (7sp or friction): $7
Shimano UN26 BB, 68x113: $5

Panaracer Pasela (almost) matched Pair, 1 folding 700x38, 1 wire 700x35: $40
Vittoria Randonneur Hyper 700X38 Pair: $60

Brooks Team Pro (Eroica 2015)  $100

Nitto M12: $50
Paul Brakes Canti-Bolts for Racks: $15 ($10 if you buy with M12 rack)

Velo Orange Grand Cru Quill Stem, 120mm: $45

Silca Impero Pump: $12



Details Below

Hi all, just starting the process of culling the closet, drop me a line if 
you’re interested in anything,  I’m in the Washington DC area.

All prices below are before shipping--if you want something please send me a 
message with your zipcode and i will calculate totals.  if you buy more than 
one item then i will combine shipping as best as i can, there is a photoset 
here -> https://goo.gl/photos/9NfCPWYZ6BJEL13f6

If you want more photos of an item, please let me know.   If you want to make 
me an offer I won’t be offended, but don’t be offended if i don’t reply.   
Please send all messages privately.

For payment, i accept either Google Pay (preferred) or PayPal.  I will leave it 
up to you based on your comfort level on the type of paypal to use.

And a few terms to keep in mind.  
Send an email directly to work out terms, posting a reply does not reserve an 
item.  I will not be able to reply to everyone, but i will update the post once 
something sells.  If i don’t get back to you, assume that someone beat you to 
it.
If you ask me for a total w/ shipping calculated, please let me know promptly 
whether you still want the item.  It’s not fair to me or the rest of the list 
to delay, if you need more time to decide ask for it, but be ok with it being 
sold to someone else who’s ready to buy.
After we agree on terms, i will send you an invoice, i expect/give you 24 hours 
to send payment (unless other arrangements are made).  Then i will go-on to the 
next person.
Normally i ship within 1-2 days, however if i’m travelling for work it may be 
delayed up to a week (ships on the weekend).  I will let you know at time of 
payment, if getting the item is time critical, please bring this up before 
payment.



FS: Bags
Prices do not include shipping (I will charge you actual USPS shipping)--I’m on 
the east coast so shipping will be less the closer you are to me.  Please email 
me directly with any questions, if you’re reading via a smart-phone, you may 
need to switch to the desktop version (link at the bottom of your browser), to 
reply directly.

Berthoud 372 Panniers (Gray), $300
This is largest of the Berthoud panniers. It has a 49 liter capacity.  There is 
a large compartment and a smaller pocket on the outside.  These expand with the 
side-lacing so they store pretty flat when empty but expand and can hold quite 
a bit--especially with the top loading.  Note that these panniers are designed 
to be used as lowrider fronts. Berthoud specifically states that they are for 
front lowrider mounting. If you try to use them as a rear, you may have heel 
clearance issues.  Despite the warning from Berthoud i use these on a RBW 
Hillborne + Nitto Big Back Rack with no heel clearance issues (size 11 feet).  
The Nitto BBR has a really long top platform so i’m able to push the bag pretty 
far back, YMMV on whether you can do the same.   If you’re comparing this to 
the current version of this bag, pay attention to the pictures of the retaining 
system (i believe these are the RK style), i think Berthoud has updated them 
recently.  If you’re comparing to the ones at Compass--don’t, they have 
Berthoud make their version of this bag with leather straps instead of the 
camlocks for the retaining system, though the rest of the bag looks to be the 
same.
As far as condition, there is some light wear on the leather trim and some 
rubbing on the back of the bags.   Some of the straps are starting to curl, 
there are a couple spots where the piping is starting to wear slightly, the 
only condition issue is that the previous owner wore through part of the 
reflective material on one of the bag sides (perhaps from the aforementioned 
heel clearance issue).  My plan was to repair it with reflective tape but it 
never bothered me enough to address it.  I love the look of these bags (they 
look great on my french postal inspired bike) but i just don’t use them enough. 
 Here’s a pic of them on my Hillborne, https://flic.kr/p/c2paNj

Berthoud 604 Saddle Bag + Rack: $200

[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Drw]

Also on a Mac. You should be on the desktop version always, unless you are 
using a mobile device like an iPad or iPhone. Then you just hit the reply arrow 
and select “reply privately” or whatever it says. 
I’ve never had a problem with messages going through and I’ve missed out on 
lots of stuff.

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[RBW] Muttonmaster

[RichS]

Just read this. Wonderful story. Patrick, thank you for posting!

Regards,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Minh]

I also use a mac and don't need to 'switch to desktop', are you sure the 
browser is not saving the mobile-version on loading that as default?

your second problem with bounced emails i can't comment on, i use reply 
directly as well and tend not to have a problem.  

and as an aside, the reality of the list is that certain FS items 
(especially Compass) will just go super fast, so a lot of it is just luck.  
and while it seems unfair, personally i use email responses to sell instead 
of inside the thread itself.  otherwise i then need to compare the thread 
to emails and it just gets too messy for me.

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[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Bob Lovejoy]

If there is ever an item I am particularly interested in, I send the PM 
(through the online, desktop, "google groups" interface) but also note in 
the thread that I sent the PM and for the OP to let me know if that is not 
received.  No guarantees certainly but I don't think it is out of line from 
a thread standpoint to do that.  It also alerts others, at least 
unofficially, that you are interested and "in line", something like that 
anyway.

That said, technology can certainly fail, at least fail to work as we 
expect.  Ok, sometimes just fail...!

Sorry you missed on the tires...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: FS: More Brooks Saddles and a Fujita

[Chris Birkenmaier]

UPDATE 1

#5 Fujita is sold
#3 Brooks B17S sold with payment pending

Chris

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 2:10:59 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> Round 2 of attempting to purge some saddle stash.  I have photos of all so 
> please feel free to email me if you'd like to see them.  Payment of PayPal 
> Friends and Family is appreciated.  Shipping to CONUS only.
>
> 1.  Brooks B67, brown, sprung, very lightly used, no bolt adjustment.  $85 
> shipped
> 2.  Brooks B67, black, sprung, looks new, no bolt adjustment  $85 shipped
> 3.  Brooks B17S, Ladies Standard, dark honey, few miles, 2 small scuffs on 
> the nose, no bolt adjustment  $55 shipped
> 4.  Brooks B17 Narrow, ridden but very nice appearance, no bolt 
> adjustment  $75 shipped
> 5.  Fujita Professional, looks similar in style to the Brooks Pro but has 
> small Copper rivets, leather is nice, very classy looking!  $45 shipped
>

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[RBW] When requesting to contacted off list

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I lost out on a set of Bon Jon tires trying to reply directly to the poster. 
I've lost out on several items this way.  If you're on a Mac, the only option 
to reply directly to the poster is by switching to "Desktop", which then gives 
you the option to reply directly. I've done this several times and I get an 
email reply (always either several hours later or in my spam folder) that my 
reply has been rejected. By then, someone has already bought the item. Yes, I 
get the email digest, in which the posters entire email address is listed (even 
on the desktop version, on a Mac or iPhone, the email address is only partial, 
thus of no use) but by the time it comes, the item is usually sold. I guess my 
point is that I will always have to reply on list to any for sale post, if I 
hope to have a chance at the item. So please understand that I'm not ignoring 
your request to be contacted offline because I'm a dick (although, undoubtedly 
I am at times) it's because I want the item and can't get it any other way.

Peace,
Tim "now in Casa Grande, AZ and learning about goatheads" Kirch

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rosco Bubbe v2 (x-post iBOB)

[Tom Wyland]

So glad to hear it, Jeff. It's been difficult restraining myself from 
making the trip over there to buy it!

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> Rosco found a new home today
>
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[RBW] When asking for an off list reply

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

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Re: [RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Deacon Patrick]

As I understand it, Carla, the trick to brake alignment is the slope of the 
dropout, which Rivendell can give you, presuming it’s not propritary (I doubt 
it give a protractor could figure it out. Grin.). I’ll pm you a full sized pic 
of my frame if you’d like to show the concept to your builder.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Carla Waugh]

I put a pic up in a post about an hour ago. I’m thinking the rear dropouts need 
to change and take the cable stops off. I probably need to look at the 
Quickbeam version. A local builder built it for me and he would make the 
changes. I would be doing rattle can until later on the touch ups. Any other 
suggestions you have I’m listening.

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[RBW] Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Bill Lindsay]

Back at the very beginning of my Rivendell career, in 2009, I was pretty 
much strictly a roadie.  My Hillborne and the idea of "country bike" opened 
up my world in many ways.  One of those ways was the idea of enjoying 
taking the long way from A-to-B.  Over that first year or so I hatched an 
idea for my 40-mile commute from El Cerrito to Union City.  Rather than 
treat it as a hilly road ride with a couple dirt trail detours, I 
contemplated doing it as a 25 mile mountain bike ride with a few road 
connectors.  I had most of the route in my head, but there were still 
several trails that I needed to add but had never ridden.  Now that I have 
a cool GPS unit, I was able to build my route on RideWithGPS and upload it 
to my device so I wouldn't get lost and wouldn't have to resort to the map 
50 times.  

Anyhow, here's my route, discreetly edited to begin at a starting point 
close-by but not-too-close to my front door.  RideWithGPS Extreme Commuting 


I did the ride for the first time this morning, which felt like a cool 
accomplishment, since I'd been thinking about it for several years.  It was 
~42 miles and about 4700 feet of climbing, and it was pretty freaking 
hard.  There were several pitches that my GPS assessed as >20% grade.  
There were rocky, bumpy, rooty sections that made my BMC Monstercross feel 
like serious underbiking.  The undeniable highlight is that these mountain 
bike trails are by definition car-free, and that was delightful.  I might 
decide to do the SFRandonneurs Marin Mountains 200k as a solo Permanent in 
May, and this Extreme Commute route is a great training ride for that.  



This was one of the 20% grades, which is hard to see in the photo.  My four 
finger salute was to celebrate passing 4,000 ft of climbing at this point.






So, make a plan, set a goal, see it through and celebrate

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

P.S. One of the reasons I was able to pedal up 20% grades was I just 
installed my turkey vulture shifter kit from Analog Cycles, which allowed 
me to run a Deore XT clutch rear derailer with Shimano 10sp indexed barcons 
(on Thumbies).  I was glad to have a 26x36 low gear.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rosco Bubbe v2 (x-post iBOB)

[Jeff Lesperance]

Rosco found a new home today

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Jon Schultz  wrote:

> Multiple bikes at NAHBS had similar double top tube bags this year.  RBW
> was ahead of the NAHBS trend!
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Jeff Lesperance <
> jeff.lespera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That frame bag is so great
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 8:42 PM, Jon BALER  wrote:
>>
>>> For additional reference, here is my Rosco V2 from nearby Ellicott City,
>>> MD (Baltimore).  This bike is my main commuter, and I love it.  Earlier
>>> this year I switched to a shorter/stiffer stem and Albstache bars.  I much
>>> prefer the this set-up over the original choco bars.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jon_baler/albums/72157674307963623
>>>
>>> I'm 6'4" with long torso/short legs, and this bike fits me well.  I
>>> normally ride an XL/62 cm frame.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 9:24:02 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

 Oh, and sorry, missed the question on max tire - I believe the fork
 will be the limiting factor on tire size - forks were surplus forks from
 multiple models I believe - mine looks similar to the fork I had on my Sam.
 The 38's I have on now have plenty of room - I'd guess you could get 42's
 in there alright, maybe 45's without fenders.

 On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Lesperance 
 wrote:

> I would not say that the frame in general has a short reach, for it's
> stated size of 55.5, it has a longer than average effective top tube 
> length
> of 66cm, which is not remotely short for me. I would normally ride a 60cm
> frame where the top tube could be in the 57 - 61cm range, with drop bars.
> This version of the Rosco appears to be meant for upright/swept-back
> handlebars, such as the choco bars that I built it with, or albatross bars
> and the like. This Rosco is comfy for me, as-built, where the handgrip
> portion of the choco bars are behind the stem insertion point, as a
> semi-upright riding position - though I do like holding on to the forward,
> leather-wrapped portion of the bar if I want to tuck in a bit and grind 
> out
> some speedy miles.
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting. So for you this has a really short reach?  Do you
>> happen to know the max tire size that the frame allows?
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Terribly sorry to hear that, Matt, but very glad you and your family are 
ok.  I have nothing to offer in terms of successful recovery but I do hope 
you and your wife are reunited with your bikes.  If not and you do pursue 
the insurance route I do agree, as an insurance claims employee, that 
Patrick has provided very valuable information and recommendations.  I'll 
add that although you should be reimbursed for current full retail 
replacement cost this may also depend on your specific policy and coverage 
so always refer to your written policy for details.  Also don't be 
surprised to hear the dreaded "D" word... depreciation.  A standard 
practice is for insurance carriers to withhold depreciation which is 
reflected as a percentage of the full value based on age and wear/tear and 
expected life span and they often only reimburse the withheld amount after 
you have actually replaced the missing/damaged items and provided receipts 
and documentation showing your final incurred costs.  This should be 
minimal for something like a 2+ year old bike that would last decades or 
more but just be prepared to have something deducted from initial 
settlement that may be recovered/reimbursed later after items are actually 
replaced.  It's annoying for everyone and is a process with a lot of 
negativity associated with it but it's a result of the insurance market and 
requirements varies state to state (example, in my home state is has to be 
shown on estimates for everything but is only withheld when the total 
exceeds a certain amount.) 

As Patrick already noted, be thorough and having everything already noted 
on the police report helps validate all items later being claimed through 
insurance.  Unfortunately, insurance fraud is a very real thing and makes 
things even harder for honest people going through such difficult 
situations like this.  The more information and documentation you could 
provide to the adjuster will make their job easier and a smoother process 
for you in return.  Not that making the adjusters job easier should be your 
priority, but since they are the one's required to validate your costs and 
prices based on the information provided it often becomes just a matter of 
having appropriate documentation and proof readily available which makes 
the investigation easier for everyone.  This usually becomes more 
problematic with specialty and niche items the average person or adjuster 
may not be familiar with so providing not only original purchase details 
but also providing your own sources for replacement could often be 
helpful.  Insurance companies all have pricing databases and sources for 
generic items but a custom build from Rivendell, for example, would not 
provide a match so a detailed and itemized build list just like you wrote 
above but with all part prices and labor shown and a web link goes much 
farther than if someone just listed something like "2 bikes = $5000"  with 
no other context.  Your adjuster may have never heard of Rivendell 
Bicycle Works and may very well be the kind of person that would never pay 
more than couple hundred for a complete bicycle, so matching a price for 
something like that becomes difficult unless they know exactly what it is 
and where to find it, otherwise they may be at the mercy of whatever 
database they are provided by their employer... or amazon which seems 
to becoming the norm for online prices.

Best of luck and again, sorry to hear about this.

Brian Cole

  

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 2:27:33 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Very sorry to hear about that.
>
> Ex -- happily ex -- insurance agent. Spend the time to put together a (1) 
> comprehensive and (2) detailed list of all the things taken; a big hassle, 
> but worth it. Excel is very good for this. Include makes, models, when and 
> where bought (a bit of extrapolation is perfectly in order if you don't 
> remember the exact date and place), and (I hope you have replacement 
> coverage) full *retail replacement* cost. For example, I paid IIRC $1,900 
> for my Joe Starck custom in 1999, but I'd put in the current $3,500 plus 
> the cost of the recent Chauncey Matthews alterations. 
>
> You've got a very good start on the descriptions of the Cheviot and 
> Handsome. It's worth taking a few days off from work to have the time to do 
> this thoroughly; see if you can add lost wages to your claim; can't say 
> that they'll pay, but it's worth the attempt. And add "under loss of use" 
> as well as the cost of any expenses incurred in replacing stuff. It's the 
> opposite of taxes: you are legally bound to pay only the minimum tax 
> legally required of you; so with claims: you are legally entitled to any 
> and all money required to restore all the you've lost, and the further 
> expenses that you've incurred as a result of the loss -- basically, what it 
> costs to restore you and yours to the *status quo ante.*
>
> Give this to the police as well as to your insurer; the 

Re: [RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Deacon Patrick]

I think you’ll be delighted, Carla! Is this a custom frame or a drowout swap on 
an existing frame? If so, what frame? If you’re going for the whole quickbeam 
equivilant (6 tooth range, brake stays aligned) you may want to connect with 
Grant and or have your builder connect. There are details involved there that 
I’m sure Mark and Grant coordinated on behind the scenes. Caviate: I am not 
running a rear brake (other than back pedaling), so that part wasn’t important 
to me, but I believe Mark got that all lined up as well, I just haven’t tested 
that. The rear canti posts are on there if I ever want to though.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] WTB: sugino crank XD2 46x36x24

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

New or used. Also if you want to keep your 46 chainring I don’t need it.

Thanks, Gabe

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Scott MacDonald]

When I commute in a suit I use an old MB-3 with a similar motor/battery 
combo. (Bafang)
Rim brakes work fine. No need for new wheels in my build. 

If you are a do-it-yourselfer, https://lunacycle.com is a good resource. 

Love my Hunquapillar more, though.




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[RBW] Re: My 650B

[Cecily Walker]

Sweet bikes, especially that first one.


On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 9:57:42 AM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> My 650B as a ss with many Rivendell additions. This and my Sam are my two 
> favorite rides.
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

I don't find it that different. I'm still pedaling. The only difference is 
now I can blow past reedy hipsters whenever I want to use the throttle. 
That's a price above rubies, in my opinion.  

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 6:59:05 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yep yep, Chris, it's definitely a different and fun way to ride a bicycle. 
> I still have and ride non-assist bikes, but I love my eChev for shopping 
> runs; longer rides when I don't have all day to cover the mileage; or if I 
> just feel like getting my speed on. And they're invaluable if you have an 
> injury or disability which limits your pedaling strength. 

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[RBW] Re: Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Scott Blouke]

That is terrible new I hope you find the bikes.  I know there are some very 
active Tuscon Instagrammers who might be able to spread the word better. 
I happened upon this advice on how to describe losses to the insurance 
adjuster that may help.
https://np.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/43iyip/our_family_of_5_lost_everything_in_a_fire/cziljy3/

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 11:12:17 PM UTC-7, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm saddened to report that my house was burglarized today. The thieves 
> broke in through a window, turned the house inside out and made off with 
> most all of the valuables, including two cherished bicycles. I'm posting 
> here to (1) ask all Tucsonans in the group to keep an eye out for these 
> bikes, and (2) ask all group members for any advice that might help my wife 
> and I retrieve them.
>
> My bike is a 60cm Cheviot, in the no-longer-available-on-Chevs green 
> metallic color currently available on some Clems. I took delivery of it in 
> 2014 and have ridden it more or less daily since then. Build details:
>
> - Rich-built 700c wheelset with silver Deore hubs laced to 36h Velocity 
> Dyads, wearing 50mm Schwalbe Big Bens
> - Pletscher single-leg kickstand
> - SKS P50 fenders, with holes for flaps and a rear fender-mounted light
> - Sugino XD2 wide/low 46t/20t crankset, 170mm, with reflective tape on the 
> crank arms
> - MKS sneaker pedals
> - Deore rear mech, Claris front mech
> - Tektro R559 brakes
> - Nitto SP60 seatpost
> - Brooks B17 select, wonderfully broken-in after 3.5 years of riding
> - Nitto Choco-moose bars
> - Tektro mtb levers, black body with silver levers
> - Silver bar-end shifters
> - Nitto Mark's rack, two struts, with Wald 137 basket secured via zip-ties
> - Pletscher rear aka Clem rack
> - older (c. 2014) Saddlesack Large, tan canvas with brown leather accents
>
> I haven't seen another green Chev (or any other Chev, for that matter) in 
> Tucson since I moved here ~2.5 years ago. I also have the original business 
> card from Riv mechanic Mark Abele with the order number and the frame's 
> serial number, and I know its beausage fingerprint inside and out. 
>
> My wife's bike is a 56cm Handsome XOXO (homage to Bridgestone XO-1), 
> orange with branding similar to that on the XO-1. She took delivery of it 
> this past February after purchasing it from 718 Cyclery in Brooklyn via 
> eBay. Build details:
>
> - 26" wheelset, black Deore rear hub and silver Shimano dyno front hub 
> laced to Sun Rhyno Lytes (or Alex DM24s...can't remember), wearing Schwalbe 
> Big Apples
> - B Eyc T Senso Plus dyno headlight
> - dyno rear light (I forget which model...)
> - Sugino triple crankset
> - black plastic BMX pedals
> - Deore XT rear mech, Shimano front mech (again, I forget which model...)
> - silver Shimano CX50 cantilevers
> - brown Brooks B17
> - Nitto Tallux stem
> - Nitto (I think?) drop bars wrapped in brown Salsa (I think?) foam tape
> - Shimano Tiagra road levers
> - Shimano bar-end shifters
>
> Although my wife only had the bike for a few months, neither of us have 
> noticed any other XOXOs around Tucson. Not sure about its serial number at 
> the moment, but we might be able to sort that out by getting in touch with 
> 718. 
>
> Big picture: it could have been much, much worse, and my wife and I are 
> thankful that it wasn't. The police have been helpful so far, and we'll 
> learn more tomorrow about what else they might be able to do. While I'm 
> pretty familiar with the LBS scene in Tucson, I have no idea what the 
> crooks might do with our bikes. This is our first time dealing with bike 
> theft, so any insights or advice would be hugely appreciated!
>
> Thanks for reading this far, and thanks in advance for any tips you might 
> be able to provide. 
>
> - Matt
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

And that's great if you're physically able to do it. I had been before I 
got sick, and then suddenly I couldn't do it anymore. I'm still using my 
own power to ride the bike, I just have help. 

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 5:50:49 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I consider myself to be fairly traditional in my bike tastes and part of 
> the appeal of bicycling is the physical exertion involved in spirited 
> riding.  Having said that, I stepped into a bike shop last year and the 
> owner offered me a test ride on an electric assist bike and I can honestly 
> say that it was the most fun I've had on a bike since childhood.  I have 
> every intention of someday adding an e-bike to my stable.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 8:44:53 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Some of y'all might remember me. *waves hello*
>>
>> Unfortunately, as my rheumatoid arthritis and vascular conditions 
>> progressed, I had to stop riding my bike. I've missed my Rizzo so much, and 
>> was thinking about selling her. I did add a Vespa to my stable, but it just 
>> never gave me the same feeling I got from riding my bike. 
>>
>> A while back (a couple of years?) I asked whether anyone in this group 
>> had any experience with converting a Betty Foy or any other Rivendell bike 
>> to an eBike. There weren't many responses, and for a long time, I gave up 
>> hope that I'd be able to ride ever again... until about two weeks ago. 
>>
>> I went into my local eBike shop, and asked whether it was possible to 
>> convert my beloved Rizzo to an eBike, and they said that while it would be 
>> a challenge, it was doable. I had to get a new wheel built, and I had to 
>> sign a waiver about braking because the Betty Foy doesn't come with disc 
>> brakes.
>>
>> Today I am happy to report that a reputable eBike dealer can in fact 
>> convert a Riv bike to an eBike, and I'm back riding again. Hooray!
>>
>> I just needed to share my joy with people who would get it. Cheers, 
>> everyone!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks, Ryan! And happy belated birthday. 



On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 9:25:06 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Cecily,
> Sorry about misspelling your name; no disrespect intended.  Mind must be 
> beginning to go since I entered my 2nd half century.
> Happy pedaling with assist.
>
> Ryan 
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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

Too busy riding! :D

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 9:54:13 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> We still need to see it!

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[RBW] Re: Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Matt Gilkey]

>
>  Matt, 
>

Sorry to hear about your bikes. I will do my best to keep an eye out. 
Fortunately they are both very distinct bikes.  I understand your pain, 
having had 2 bikes stolen in Tucson. I agree with everyone's advice with 
checking local bike stores. I would also advise posting a notice at BICAS. 
Checking any pawn shops within a few miles of your house would be a good 
idea. I believe that the Tucson Police Department holds an auction once or 
twice a year to sell recovered bikes. Might be worth a look. Good Luck!

-Matt G. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: More Brooks Saddles and a Fujita

[Wally Estrella]

PM'd on #3, B17S



On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 2:10:59 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Round 2 of attempting to purge some saddle stash.  I have photos of all so 
> please feel free to email me if you'd like to see them.  Payment of PayPal 
> Friends and Family is appreciated.  Shipping to CONUS only.
>
> 1.  Brooks B67, brown, sprung, very lightly used, no bolt adjustment.  $85 
> shipped
> 2.  Brooks B67, black, sprung, looks new, no bolt adjustment  $85 shipped
> 3.  Brooks B17S, Ladies Standard, dark honey, few miles, 2 small scuffs on 
> the nose, no bolt adjustment  $55 shipped
> 4.  Brooks B17 Narrow, ridden but very nice appearance, no bolt 
> adjustment  $75 shipped
> 5.  Fujita Professional, looks similar in style to the Brooks Pro but has 
> small Copper rivets, leather is nice, very classy looking!  $45 shipped
>

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[RBW] FS: More Brooks Saddles and a Fujita

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Round 2 of attempting to purge some saddle stash.  I have photos of all so 
please feel free to email me if you'd like to see them.  Payment of PayPal 
Friends and Family is appreciated.  Shipping to CONUS only.

1.  Brooks B67, brown, sprung, very lightly used, no bolt adjustment.  $85 
shipped
2.  Brooks B67, black, sprung, looks new, no bolt adjustment  $85 shipped
3.  Brooks B17S, Ladies Standard, dark honey, few miles, 2 small scuffs on 
the nose, no bolt adjustment  $55 shipped
4.  Brooks B17 Narrow, ridden but very nice appearance, no bolt adjustment  
$75 shipped
5.  Fujita Professional, looks similar in style to the Brooks Pro but has 
small Copper rivets, leather is nice, very classy looking!  $45 shipped

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[RBW] Re: Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Minh]

Matt,

I can't really offer any advice other than my sympathies, the bikes are 
just things that can be replaced but the sense of security, trust in people 
is much more difficult.  

I would echo what Bob suggests, while we tend to see a Riv or Handsome and 
know what they are there are plenty of folks who only see a retro bike with 
no idea of their provenance/value, so definately share a picture with local 
shops and get the word out to local groups or Coops so they can keep an eye 
out for them.  

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Re: [RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Carla Waugh]

Patrick I’m going to change mine as well and I’m taking it in to my builder 
Friday to see what can be done. Thanks for the inspiration.

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[RBW] Re: Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Bob Lovejoy]

Matt,

Really and truly sorry to hear of the break-in and theft.  I have been 
trying so hard to maintain some semblance of faith in people but that is 
obviously not easy.  I hope it all works out as well as possible.

In moments of weakness (for looking at bikes), I use SearchTempest to scan 
Craiglist's from across the country.  I know you will have much to do with 
everything else but it might be worth trying at times.

https://www.searchtempest.com/

You can set how much distance from where you are to search.  I run it in 
Chrome, with the "Direct Results" option checked.  I also had to tell 
Chrome to allow the site to open multiple windows but it has worked well 
for me.  I am not sure how it would work if you found your bikes on a 
different city's CL but a call to their police department would seem like 
the next step.

I would also make sure as many of your local bikes shops as possible are 
aware of the theft and have the info and hopefully pictures.  Even if 
someone buys it cheaply, not knowing the truth about it, the bike(s) could 
end up in a shop for repair or whatever.

People here will be in the lookout.  Let us know of any updates.  Again, 
sorry you are having to go through all of that.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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Re: [RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[René Sterental]

Wow! Just awesome.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Carla, Mark only swapped out the verticals dropouts for the track style
> Quickbeam dropouts. Had I been thinking it through better I would have also
> had him remove the derailire cable guides and downtube shifting posts. But
> those make good reminders of where he’s come from, just like all my
> oddities. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I had not previously seen the Nitto variety but just checked 'em out and 
yes, the Nitto B825AA seems to be a vast improvement on the overall shape 
of the VO/Daija that I found lacking due to the straight and completely 
flat rear grip section.  I had thought an additional inward/upward curve 
for the rear section would have made it much more useful and looks as 
though the Nitto version has this exact feature.  At 54cm wide the Nitto is 
2cm narrower overall than the 56cm Daija model and I'd likely miss those 
2cm, however.  I found the wide sides going into the front curves the most 
comfortable and useful position(s) which is why an Albastache may still be 
in my future.  I hope they work out well for you, Rene!

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

On Wednesday, June 1, 2011 at 2:28:33 AM UTC-4, René wrote:

> Trying to see if I can manage to get completely rid of my left 
> shoulder/neck pain, I've decided to try installing Trekking bars on my 
> Atlantis. Figuring out that I'm only going to get to do this once, I've 
> ordered a Nitto B825AA Touring Bar (Trekking/Butterfly style) and a Modolo 
> Yuma Trekking bar. I had ordered this one first, and then found out that 
> Nitto had a version that someone in one of the bike forums recommended as 
> being much better than the Modolo so I ordered one as well figuring out 
> that the one I don't like I can always sell, and if I don't like them at 
> all I can sell both.
>  
> Reviews and online discussions show that a number of people have found the 
> solution to their comfort/fit problems with these bars, and that they're 
> very popular in Europe. Has anyone on this list tried them at all?
>  
> While these bars arrive later this week, I put my Moustache bars on the 
> Atlantis with the 8cm Dirt Drop stem to see how it would fit. I had only 
> used them back on the Bombadil but they hurt my hands. The shorter top tube 
> on the Atlantis puts them at a much nicer range, but after a couple of 
> short rides with no tape (and no rear brake), I can't quite make up my mind 
> if they're going to be more comfortable than the Noodles or not. They 
> seemed very nice, and I liked the position with the stem at almost full 
> rise. 
>  
> It seems to me, based on how I felt with the M-bars, that the Trekking 
> bars will address the following concerns:
> - Lack of straight section where the brake levers are on the M-bars
> - Lack of angle on the straight sections of the M-bars that angles out 
> instead of being straight back
> - Additional close horizontal section for fully upright riding at slow 
> speeds.
>  
> I'm thinking I'm going to set the brake levers on the Trekking bars just 
> like they go on the M-bars instead of the usual setup on the rear (close to 
> the body) straight sections and I ordered a set of Paul's bar-end shifter 
> pods to explore where to put the shifters for optimal placement. I have 
> several ideas in mind, but will have to do some playing around first to see 
> if they make sense at all.
>  
> Finally, since these bars are 25.4, I ordered a 10 and an 8cm Nitto Dirt 
> Drop stems so I can fine tune the fit and avoid using the shims on the 26.0 
> Nitto Dirt Drop stem.
>  
> I appreciate any feedback or suggestions regarding the best way to 
> leverage these bars to see if I can finally take care of my neck!
>  
> Thanks to all,
>  
> René
>

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Tim Gavin]

Dave-

Trekking bars have a 22.2 mm grip diameter, and they use MTB controls (road
bars have a 23.8 mm grip diameter).  That 22.2 diameter means the ends are
usually too small to insert bar-end shifters.

However, Nitto makes Albatross bars for Rivendell that are 22.2 AND fit
bar-end shifters.
So, though I doubt that any butterfly/trekking bar can fit bar-end
shifters, the Nitto 825 would be the most likely suspect to do so.

Also, I think bar-end shifters on a trekking bar would be weird and
un-ergonomic.  Seems like a perfect application for thumb shifters.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Dave Redmon  wrote:

> Rene, I saw your post from 6 or 7 years ago. At 74, I too am thinking that
> the Nitto butterfly/trekking bar might solve my arm ache problems. Did you
> decide to keep them? Can you insert bar end shifters?
>
> Dave in Kansas
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Rene, 

Again, thank you for the handlebar tape!  

I ran trekkers for awhile on my Atlantis and took them off. Also, back in 
the day  (I also ran the OLD Scott AT3 bars on my mountain bike and liked 
them better than the trekkers). 

My issues with them, echo what others have said. No sweep, compromised 
position and crappy access to the brake levers (I even designed 'L' shaped 
brake levers for them and bar ends. I sold my design to Onza back in the 
early nineties. They were a brief fad for awhile. Even Paul Components made 
a version.)  My default hand position on the trekkers was on the sides. The 
close position was way too close and I was never happy with trying 
different stem lengths. So they came off. 

I have numbness in my left hand and have tried everything to get rid of it, 
including three surgeries. It gets worse on the bike. The best reprieve 
from pain and numbness I could muster from a zillion bar changes, was to 
get my bars up. I run WTB Dirt Drops up high, where the bottom of the drops 
are just slightly below the saddle, about where the top of most road bikes 
bar are. This allows me to ride in the drops most of the time, and totally 
sit up when my hand needs a break. My perfect handlebar for my numb hands, 
would be carbon (for vibration absorption), shaped like the Noodle on top, 
but with shorter ramps and drop, and the drops splayed out like most 
adventure drop bars are. 

I tried the adjustable Modolo trekking bars, and they were horrible, really 
heavy. Nashbars were OK. Scott AT4's (no longer made) were too swoopy and 
extreme. I have no experience with the Nitto bars, but I love Nitto, so go 
with those! ;)  I am hoping for the best for you, and hope the new bars 
work out. 

Clayton
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On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 at 11:28:33 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Trying to see if I can manage to get completely rid of my left 
> shoulder/neck pain, I've decided to try installing Trekking bars on my 
> Atlantis. Figuring out that I'm only going to get to do this once, I've 
> ordered a Nitto B825AA Touring Bar (Trekking/Butterfly style) and a Modolo 
> Yuma Trekking bar. I had ordered this one first, and then found out that 
> Nitto had a version that someone in one of the bike forums recommended as 
> being much better than the Modolo so I ordered one as well figuring out 
> that the one I don't like I can always sell, and if I don't like them at 
> all I can sell both.
>  
> Reviews and online discussions show that a number of people have found the 
> solution to their comfort/fit problems with these bars, and that they're 
> very popular in Europe. Has anyone on this list tried them at all?
>  
> While these bars arrive later this week, I put my Moustache bars on the 
> Atlantis with the 8cm Dirt Drop stem to see how it would fit. I had only 
> used them back on the Bombadil but they hurt my hands. The shorter top tube 
> on the Atlantis puts them at a much nicer range, but after a couple of 
> short rides with no tape (and no rear brake), I can't quite make up my mind 
> if they're going to be more comfortable than the Noodles or not. They 
> seemed very nice, and I liked the position with the stem at almost full 
> rise. 
>  
> It seems to me, based on how I felt with the M-bars, that the Trekking 
> bars will address the following concerns:
> - Lack of straight section where the brake levers are on the M-bars
> - Lack of angle on the straight sections of the M-bars that angles out 
> instead of being straight back
> - Additional close horizontal section for fully upright riding at slow 
> speeds.
>  
> I'm thinking I'm going to set the brake levers on the Trekking bars just 
> like they go on the M-bars instead of the usual setup on the rear (close to 
> the body) straight sections and I ordered a set of Paul's bar-end shifter 
> pods to explore where to put the shifters for optimal placement. I have 
> several ideas in mind, but will have to do some playing around first to see 
> if they make sense at all.
>  
> Finally, since these bars are 25.4, I ordered a 10 and an 8cm Nitto Dirt 
> Drop stems so I can fine tune the fit and avoid using the shims on the 26.0 
> Nitto Dirt Drop stem.
>  
> I appreciate any feedback or suggestions regarding the best way to 
> leverage these bars to see if I can finally take care of my neck!
>  
> Thanks to all,
>  
> René
>

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[RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Deacon Patrick]

Carla, Mark only swapped out the verticals dropouts for the track style 
Quickbeam dropouts. Had I been thinking it through better I would have also had 
him remove the derailire cable guides and downtube shifting posts. But those 
make good reminders of where he’s come from, just like all my oddities. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Carla Waugh]

Patrick what did they have to change on your bike? Trackends or more? Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Surly racks for sale

[Patrick Shea]

BUMP!

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Patrick Shea  wrote:

> Hello:
>
> I listed these on the SF Craigslist.
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/fs-surly-racks/6569298690.html
>
> Rivsters can have 'em for $125 plus shipping.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> Patrick Shea
>

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[RBW] Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Bill Schairer]

Maybe list the bikes on bikeindex.org.  I had a Trek 720 stolen about a year 
ago and it was suggested I list with them.  I did. I also filed police report.  
Sadly, I can’t report any good results but it was free, didn’t take much time, 
can’t see that it hurts, and who knows...
Bill

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Joe Bernard]

Yep yep, Chris, it's definitely a different and fun way to ride a bicycle. I 
still have and ride non-assist bikes, but I love my eChev for shopping runs; 
longer rides when I don't have all day to cover the mileage; or if I just feel 
like getting my speed on. And they're invaluable if you have an injury or 
disability which limits your pedaling strength. 

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I consider myself to be fairly traditional in my bike tastes and part of 
the appeal of bicycling is the physical exertion involved in spirited 
riding.  Having said that, I stepped into a bike shop last year and the 
owner offered me a test ride on an electric assist bike and I can honestly 
say that it was the most fun I've had on a bike since childhood.  I have 
every intention of someday adding an e-bike to my stable.  



On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 8:44:53 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Some of y'all might remember me. *waves hello*
>
> Unfortunately, as my rheumatoid arthritis and vascular conditions 
> progressed, I had to stop riding my bike. I've missed my Rizzo so much, and 
> was thinking about selling her. I did add a Vespa to my stable, but it just 
> never gave me the same feeling I got from riding my bike. 
>
> A while back (a couple of years?) I asked whether anyone in this group had 
> any experience with converting a Betty Foy or any other Rivendell bike to 
> an eBike. There weren't many responses, and for a long time, I gave up hope 
> that I'd be able to ride ever again... until about two weeks ago. 
>
> I went into my local eBike shop, and asked whether it was possible to 
> convert my beloved Rizzo to an eBike, and they said that while it would be 
> a challenge, it was doable. I had to get a new wheel built, and I had to 
> sign a waiver about braking because the Betty Foy doesn't come with disc 
> brakes.
>
> Today I am happy to report that a reputable eBike dealer can in fact 
> convert a Riv bike to an eBike, and I'm back riding again. Hooray!
>
> I just needed to share my joy with people who would get it. Cheers, 
> everyone!
>

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[RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Garth]

Of all the butterfly I have seen, and there are many, the Nitto seems the only 
one that I would try as it is the only ergonmically designed one for all hand 
positions. All the others have the open ends straight across 90 degrees and 0 
degrees flat, which is not natural at all. Hold a straight bar with both hands 
shoulder width apart, it just does not feel natural, the wrists are not like 
that. 

I would also be concerned with knee clearance while standing, but again the 
Nitto having some upward rise in the ends may be enough, it depends on each 
rider and their setup and body shape. 

Thanks for the posting the idea and your experience Rene ☺

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[RBW] Re: offRoadini

[ascpgh]

My wife lived in Princeton and when I visited I rode those trails heading 
either way on my RB-1 or XO-2 to escape the George Washington Slept Here 
signs. 

The markers and signage about the construction of the canals and ability to 
move heavy good from NYC to Philadelphia without having to go to sea are 
pretty neat. 
Very unexpected and fun escape. Balanced my trips into NYC with my bike on 
the bus rack. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 7:20:11 PM UTC-4, lambbo wrote:
>
> Thanks Grant, yeah NJ and PA have this amazing Delaware river canal trail 
> system from the olden days - apparently the path is called a tow-path 
> because the Burrow would tow the boats down from the side.  I don't know if 
> that's true but I like it!   Without having to look at a map I took this 
> one from New Hope, PA to Princeton, NJ.  Much of New England has canal 
> paths I think. 
>
> Tom, it's a 61, I'm 6'1", the top of the seat is I think 33 1/2" from BB, 
> it's very comfy. however I will get a shorter stem some time. 
>
> Brett, yeah, I left brake cable exits early...I cut the housing too short 
> by accident and pretended that I wanted a perfectly round grip on the bar 
> to make myself feel better.  It works but when I replace the stem I'll 
> re-wrap around that side. 
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 11:03:55 AM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>
>> wow, that's not what i think of when i think of new jersey. thirty-three 
>> miles of that. it's such good riding, looks like.
>>
>> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 7:35:11 PM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>>>
>>> The Roadini proves to be very spritely on this quick 33 miles of 
>>> gravely, flat, NJ Tow-Path.   There were some actual rough patches on 
>>> either side of Trenton of deep mud or large loose gravel but those were not 
>>> the appropriate times to be taking photos while riding.   Jack Browns. 
>>>  Think it's finally set up for it's first 200k.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NI8YcIbAJ8ShYW0-7ZBQ2twiof5wzmm8?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone used trekking / butterfly bars on a Rivendell?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I have tried the VO/Daija version on three different bikes but not yet on my 
only Riv(Clem H.). Like Ken suggested I found that stem length needed to be 
chosen to optimize one grip area, which puts the others in less desirable 
territory, or you may end up compromising on all the grip areas only to find 
you are not happy with any of them.  I tried them both with mtb levers/shifters 
on the flat rearward section and with road levers i. The curve a la 
moustache/Albastache and came to prefer the latter.  The last frame I tried 
them was a single speed it so I had no shifter location to address and ended up 
rarely using the rear/flats once I settled on a stem to optimize the sides and 
front curves so I essentially used them as a moustache bar and found that I hit 
my knees on the rear flats during out of saddle climbs more than I used them as 
grips while cruising so I eventually replaced with a moustache anyway.  I also 
found the rear inner flats a bit too narrow for my liking.  You may have better 
luck than I depending on top tube length and your preferred grip section and 
stem lengths.  The best thing about the bar is that there is no right or wrong 
way to install them.  You could flip/rotate and put the narrow flats out front 
with rise instead of drop but I never tried that once I found I preferred the 
moustache with drop bar lever type setup.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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Re: [RBW] Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Patrick Moore]

Very sorry to hear about that.

Ex -- happily ex -- insurance agent. Spend the time to put together a (1)
comprehensive and (2) detailed list of all the things taken; a big hassle,
but worth it. Excel is very good for this. Include makes, models, when and
where bought (a bit of extrapolation is perfectly in order if you don't
remember the exact date and place), and (I hope you have replacement
coverage) full *retail replacement* cost. For example, I paid IIRC $1,900
for my Joe Starck custom in 1999, but I'd put in the current $3,500 plus
the cost of the recent Chauncey Matthews alterations.

You've got a very good start on the descriptions of the Cheviot and
Handsome. It's worth taking a few days off from work to have the time to do
this thoroughly; see if you can add lost wages to your claim; can't say
that they'll pay, but it's worth the attempt. And add "under loss of use"
as well as the cost of any expenses incurred in replacing stuff. It's the
opposite of taxes: you are legally bound to pay only the minimum tax
legally required of you; so with claims: you are legally entitled to any
and all money required to restore all the you've lost, and the further
expenses that you've incurred as a result of the loss -- basically, what it
costs to restore you and yours to the *status quo ante.*

Give this to the police as well as to your insurer; the police won't find
your stuff, probably, but if the list is part of the police report, just a
bit more weight on your insurer to cooperate.

Almost 30 years ago, my slightly upper middle class mountain bike with
upgrades was stolen, along with my tool box, from a shed in the backyard. I
detailed *everything,* down to each individual wrench, and got it all
covered, full replacement, retail, with no hassle at all.

And: this shows that spending a bit more premium for a company with good
claims reputation is worth the small additional premium. It has been close
to 10 years, but in my day: The Hartford and Met Life were particularly
reputable.

Also, get a dog.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Matt Rhodes 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm saddened to report that my house was burglarized today. The thieves
> broke in through a window, turned the house inside out and made off with
> most all of the valuables, including two cherished bicycles. I'm posting
> here to (1) ask all Tucsonans in the group to keep an eye out for these
> bikes, and (2) ask all group members for any advice that might help my wife
> and I retrieve them.
>
> My bike is a 60cm Cheviot, in the no-longer-available-on-Chevs green
> metallic color currently available on some Clems. I took delivery of it in
> 2014 and have ridden it more or less daily since then. Build details:
>
> - Rich-built 700c wheelset with silver Deore hubs laced to 36h Velocity
> Dyads, wearing 50mm Schwalbe Big Bens
> - Pletscher single-leg kickstand
> - SKS P50 fenders, with holes for flaps and a rear fender-mounted light
> - Sugino XD2 wide/low 46t/20t crankset, 170mm, with reflective tape on the
> crank arms
> - MKS sneaker pedals
> - Deore rear mech, Claris front mech
> - Tektro R559 brakes
> - Nitto SP60 seatpost
> - Brooks B17 select, wonderfully broken-in after 3.5 years of riding
> - Nitto Choco-moose bars
> - Tektro mtb levers, black body with silver levers
> - Silver bar-end shifters
> - Nitto Mark's rack, two struts, with Wald 137 basket secured via zip-ties
> - Pletscher rear aka Clem rack
> - older (c. 2014) Saddlesack Large, tan canvas with brown leather accents
>
> I haven't seen another green Chev (or any other Chev, for that matter) in
> Tucson since I moved here ~2.5 years ago. I also have the original business
> card from Riv mechanic Mark Abele with the order number and the frame's
> serial number, and I know its beausage fingerprint inside and out.
>
> My wife's bike is a 56cm Handsome XOXO (homage to Bridgestone XO-1),
> orange with branding similar to that on the XO-1. She took delivery of it
> this past February after purchasing it from 718 Cyclery in Brooklyn via
> eBay. Build details:
>
> - 26" wheelset, black Deore rear hub and silver Shimano dyno front hub
> laced to Sun Rhyno Lytes (or Alex DM24s...can't remember), wearing Schwalbe
> Big Apples
> - B Eyc T Senso Plus dyno headlight
> - dyno rear light (I forget which model...)
> - Sugino triple crankset
> - black plastic BMX pedals
> - Deore XT rear mech, Shimano front mech (again, I forget which model...)
> - silver Shimano CX50 cantilevers
> - brown Brooks B17
> - Nitto Tallux stem
> - Nitto (I think?) drop bars wrapped in brown Salsa (I think?) foam tape
> - Shimano Tiagra road levers
> - Shimano bar-end shifters
>
> Although my wife only had the bike for a few months, neither of us have
> noticed any other XOXOs around Tucson. Not sure about its serial number at
> the moment, but we might be able to sort that out by getting in touch with
> 718.
>
> Big picture: it could have been much, much worse, and my wife and I are
> thankful 

[RBW] Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Matt Rhodes]

Hi all,

I'm saddened to report that my house was burglarized today. The thieves 
broke in through a window, turned the house inside out and made off with 
most all of the valuables, including two cherished bicycles. I'm posting 
here to (1) ask all Tucsonans in the group to keep an eye out for these 
bikes, and (2) ask all group members for any advice that might help my wife 
and I retrieve them.

My bike is a 60cm Cheviot, in the no-longer-available-on-Chevs green 
metallic color currently available on some Clems. I took delivery of it in 
2014 and have ridden it more or less daily since then. Build details:

- Rich-built 700c wheelset with silver Deore hubs laced to 36h Velocity 
Dyads, wearing 50mm Schwalbe Big Bens
- Pletscher single-leg kickstand
- SKS P50 fenders, with holes for flaps and a rear fender-mounted light
- Sugino XD2 wide/low 46t/20t crankset, 170mm, with reflective tape on the 
crank arms
- MKS sneaker pedals
- Deore rear mech, Claris front mech
- Tektro R559 brakes
- Nitto SP60 seatpost
- Brooks B17 select, wonderfully broken-in after 3.5 years of riding
- Nitto Choco-moose bars
- Tektro mtb levers, black body with silver levers
- Silver bar-end shifters
- Nitto Mark's rack, two struts, with Wald 137 basket secured via zip-ties
- Pletscher rear aka Clem rack
- older (c. 2014) Saddlesack Large, tan canvas with brown leather accents

I haven't seen another green Chev (or any other Chev, for that matter) in 
Tucson since I moved here ~2.5 years ago. I also have the original business 
card from Riv mechanic Mark Abele with the order number and the frame's 
serial number, and I know its beausage fingerprint inside and out. 

My wife's bike is a 56cm Handsome XOXO (homage to Bridgestone XO-1), orange 
with branding similar to that on the XO-1. She took delivery of it this 
past February after purchasing it from 718 Cyclery in Brooklyn via eBay. 
Build details:

- 26" wheelset, black Deore rear hub and silver Shimano dyno front hub 
laced to Sun Rhyno Lytes (or Alex DM24s...can't remember), wearing Schwalbe 
Big Apples
- B Eyc T Senso Plus dyno headlight
- dyno rear light (I forget which model...)
- Sugino triple crankset
- black plastic BMX pedals
- Deore XT rear mech, Shimano front mech (again, I forget which model...)
- silver Shimano CX50 cantilevers
- brown Brooks B17
- Nitto Tallux stem
- Nitto (I think?) drop bars wrapped in brown Salsa (I think?) foam tape
- Shimano Tiagra road levers
- Shimano bar-end shifters

Although my wife only had the bike for a few months, neither of us have 
noticed any other XOXOs around Tucson. Not sure about its serial number at 
the moment, but we might be able to sort that out by getting in touch with 
718. 

Big picture: it could have been much, much worse, and my wife and I are 
thankful that it wasn't. The police have been helpful so far, and we'll 
learn more tomorrow about what else they might be able to do. While I'm 
pretty familiar with the LBS scene in Tucson, I have no idea what the 
crooks might do with our bikes. This is our first time dealing with bike 
theft, so any insights or advice would be hugely appreciated!

Thanks for reading this far, and thanks in advance for any tips you might 
be able to provide. 

- Matt



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