[RBW] FS: levers + Nitto bars; WTB: brakes + dyno wheel + lights

[Tully Lanter]

A few things to unload and others to pick up. First, for sale:

- Nitto Noodle bars, 46cm. Came with my Quickbeam, and they're nice, but not 
upright enough. $35 + shipping. 
- Nitto Albastache bars. Recently purchased used, also nice, but still not 
upright enough. $40 + shipping. 
- Cane Creek(?) aero brake levers with black hoods. Much older but work well 
and feel good. Just switched to inverse levers. $15 + shipping. 

Will update with photos next chance I get. Would guess at most $15 to ship the 
bars in the lower 48 and $5 for the levers. 


Meanwhile, I'd love to pick up:

- Cantilever brakes, preferably a pair, but I only urgently need one for the 
rear. 
- A front wheel with a 700c, QR, 6V3W dynamo hub and ample braking surface 
left. Compatible front and rear lights are definitely of interest, too! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Leah Peterson]

Why is it always upside down? Let’s try this...

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> On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 8:53:09 AM UTC-7, Jamo. wrote:
>> I am in the market for a rack for my Hilsen.  It would be light loads, 10lbs 
>> max, and I want to run a basket on it.  I figured people here would have 
>> advice/opinions on front vs rear loads on the Hilsen, and maybe even a 
>> specific rack recommendation.
> 
> I’m surprised everybody loathes a front load! I load my Nitto Big Front with 
> large Wald to near the limit! I love a front load; rear loads feel like 
> heavy, dead weight to me now. The bike feels squirrelly to me when it’s 
> unloaded. Huh, now I wonder if I’ve been doing it wrong... Well, here’s a 
> photo to prove it; the heavier backpack, chromebook, and lunch sit up front. 
> The violin goes in one Backabike bag, and little son’s backpack and lunch in 
> the other. My necessities go in the multisack on the bars. 
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[RBW] Rivys in Grants, NM #GDMBR

[John Rinker]

All righty then, you missed us in Grants. Our next town stop is Silver City. 
Any Rivys there? Join us for a beer at the local brew house in 4-5 days. Cheers!

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Re: [RBW] Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I personally use a Nitto big rear rack with panniers, but with only 10 lbs,
you can also use a larger size saddle sack with a small rack as a support.
I also have a Mark's rack up front with a front bag.  It should do fine
with a basket and 10 lbs, but yeah, the rear rack would handle better...

Toshi


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> I am in the market for a rack for my Hilsen.  It would be light loads,
> 10lbs max, and I want to run a basket on it.  I figured people here would
> have advice/opinions on front vs rear loads on the Hilsen, and maybe even a
> specific rack recommendation.
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Philip Williamson]

All great, I don’t know how Grant will decide.

I BUNGLE SLOW TOSS
BIG OLE SNOW SLUTS
SLOWEST BISON LUG

Not very aspirational, though.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Off or on-topic? Cannabis oil

[Patrick Moore]

I have some questions. If anyone has used it therapeutically, I'd be
grateful to hear from him or her.

For some reason, I "feel" that cannabis oil, or perhaps cannabis generally,
is not too unrivendellian ...?

Patrick Moore, who hasn't had a toke since 1983, and that one and all
earlier ones were outside the jurisdiction.

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Re: [RBW] Spencer’s Trousers Amazing Adventure Cycling Breeks Initial Impressions

[Patrick Moore]

This is very interesting. I've been pursuing the perfect cycling pants for
a while now, and while I've found the perfect (at least, 98.642% perfect)
shorts in the Rapha Randonee short or whatever it is called, I've still not
found the ideal cool weather pants.

1. How involved and convenient is the fitting and ordering process?

2. Are yours long enough in the leg to be cinched tight under the knee and
still give enough room for squatting?

3. How abrasion resistant and generally sturdy is the fabric? For example,
if you fall over slowly a couple of times, or slide it aggressively through
brush, is it likely to remain undamaged?

4. How long from initial order to delivery?

5. Can you post a photo of you wearing yours cinched under the knee? (You
can omit you from belt up if you like, tho' you do have a winsome face.)

Thanks. I look forward to longer-term reviews

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> I’ll get around to doing a medium term review with photos etc on my blog,
> but wanted to give initial impressions of my newly arrived bespoke amazing
> tweed adventure cycling breeks by Spencer’s Trousers of Yorkshire (not to
> be confused with England. Grin.).
>
> Wow! Without the least bit of hyperbole, these are the best fitting
> pants/shorts/breeks I’ve ever put on. They look sharp just standing, have
> plenty of room to freely move, squat, kneel, ride, et al, all while fitting
> my waist so not belt is required (but they put on wider than usual 1.5”
> loops for my belt/knife). My wife, though she knows the cost ($200, tweed
> bespoke w/ shipping), immediately said “We need to get you more of those!”
> Yeah, I need all the help I can get, and these help. Evidently a lot. Grin.
>
> I just rode an initial ride in 80˚F and these breathed beautifully and
> didn’t feel too warm even on a climb with direct sun, moving slowly and no
> breeze. We’ll see as I end up sitting around in hot weather, presuming we
> get some still. Still, riding they felt much better than most nylon MTB
> breeks I’ve been using (which fit my like a garbage bag held on with a belt
> to give room to move), and as good as Compass’ knickers (snicker snicker),
> which I had other issues with (pilling nylon being the deal breaker, both
> pairs, and that’s now considered “normal wear”). Will these work in the
> height of summer? Possibly passably, and certainly bikepacking in the
> highlands, but they will definitely work for fall, winter, and spring,
> which around here is 11 months of the year. Grin.
>
> I washed them (hand wash, cold, with Eucla-something wool wash, no rinse)
> and am their drying rack as I speak. I’m impressed with how quickly these
> dry. Must be a tight spin on the tweed yarns to not let in too much
> moisture! That bodes beautifully for wet and cold weather to come. Grin.
>
> https://www.spencers-trousers.com/
>
> Their site is light on photos, which is frustrating. The breeks came with
> a nice brochure that would have been helpful in PDF form on the site. I got
> velcro knee closure, 2 back pockets with flaps, and requested extra room in
> the hips by 2” and extra length even from cycling breeks for “floor living”
> positions of squatting, kneeling, cross legged, etc, which really challenge
> off the rack pants/breeks). Anyway, their instagram site has more photos:
> https://www.instagram.com/spencerstrousers/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: PRICE REDUCTION 60 cm Quickbeam

[Philip Williamson]

I think it’s a reasonable price, which may require the interest of a reasonable 
person. Seriously, that does seem to be the ballpark Quickbeams play in. Much 
less and people around here start speculating “what’s wrong with it?”

I don’t know if you cross posted to the BOB list, but I think it’s a bigger 
list, and more skewed toward that vintage of Rivendell. $1300 sales/purchases 
can take some time, especially for a ‘niche’ bike. Plus there are a couple 
other QBs or Simpleones on the market now, creating the perception that there’s 
no rush to buy. 

My Quickbeam is set up for commuting, but in the past I used it for 25-40 mi 
road rides, Oregon logging roads, and... commuting. It has a silver Paul 
single-sided silver rear wheel, a SON klassik front, and a matching Paul front 
wheel I’ve never actually used; surly dingle 17/21 cog and Dura-Ace square 
taper cranks with 39/44 rings. CX50 brakes, Ultegra gray levers, Nitto WTB dirt 
drops, Salsa steel stem painted to match the bike. 52mm Zeppein fenders also 
painted to match the bike, 38mm Vittoria Hypers. VP-001 pedals. Brooks all 
weather saddle. Original seatpost and headset. I’d have to pull the BB, but I 
assume Shimano. You know - the usual stuff! 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Re: advice for attaching cork grips to chocos with bar end shifters

[Lynne]

Thanks for the excellent suggestions. I've decided to wrap my new chocos 
(for now) since the bar end shifters are already in place and my hand is 
only so big. But I will be keeping those suggestions in mind for future 
configurations. 


On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 2:59:40 PM UTC-7, Lynne wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is there a less permanent but still secure way to attach cork grips than 
> using the Rivendell-recommended Permatex gasket sealant? I'm also using bar 
> end shifters, if that makes a difference. 
>
> Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom,
>
> Lynne, proud owner of a Sam and, as of yesterday, a Betty Foy
> Davis, CA
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS-Quickbeam 60 cm, multi geared, $1350

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Why is low interest in a for-sale ad posted with no pictures "surprising?" 
 Maybe everyone's waiting for the pics that 6 days you said would be 
coming.  

Dave

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 2:59:21 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
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> Hi All,
> Surprising lack of interest in this QB...
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, including three S's. If there's a clue in there, I'm not finding it..this 
thing is WAY beyond my brain's capabilities. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Bob K.]

All of the letters need to be used, right? Perhaps my reading comprehension 
skills have gotten worse (not perhaps, they definitely have), but I wasn't sure 
from the Blahg post.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Eric Floden]

BULLMOOSE STINGS???

OK l will keep trying

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 20:17, Eric Floden  wrote:

> There COULD be an 'm' if you flip the 'w'
>
> Ja, l have Scrabble tiles out now.
>
> EricF
> New Edinburgh Ont
>
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 19:52, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I'm finding the three S's troublesome, and the lack of a D, an R or an M
>> rules out a lot of things.  The only dirt or earth variant I can think of
>> is SOIL, but they already played with SOIL in the BLAHG, so that's probably
>> out, like BOWELS.
>>
>> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 4:30:25 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
>>> I did notice bison could be found in there, and wondered if it was
>>> indeed part if the name. Seems appropriate fir a mountain bike.
>>>
>>> Eamon
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Mike Williams]

One I came up with was ‘slow glutes bison’. Glutes being another name for ass

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> On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:17 PM, Eric Floden  wrote:
> 
> There COULD be an 'm' if you flip the 'w'
> 
> Ja, l have Scrabble tiles out now.
> 
> EricF
> New Edinburgh Ont
> 
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 19:52, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>> I'm finding the three S's troublesome, and the lack of a D, an R or an M 
>> rules out a lot of things.  The only dirt or earth variant I can think of is 
>> SOIL, but they already played with SOIL in the BLAHG, so that's probably 
>> out, like BOWELS.  
>> 
>>> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 4:30:25 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>> I did notice bison could be found in there, and wondered if it was indeed 
>>> part if the name. Seems appropriate fir a mountain bike.
>>> Eamon
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Mike Williams]

One I came up with was ‘ slow glutes bison’.   Glutes being another name for 
ass.   So... 

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> Could it be a variant spelling of an actual word or words?
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Eric Floden]

There COULD be an 'm' if you flip the 'w'

Ja, l have Scrabble tiles out now.

EricF
New Edinburgh Ont

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 19:52, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I'm finding the three S's troublesome, and the lack of a D, an R or an M
> rules out a lot of things.  The only dirt or earth variant I can think of
> is SOIL, but they already played with SOIL in the BLAHG, so that's probably
> out, like BOWELS.
>
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 4:30:25 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>> I did notice bison could be found in there, and wondered if it was indeed
>> part if the name. Seems appropriate fir a mountain bike.
>>
>> Eamon
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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[tc]

This is fun.  I vote for "Linus" something or other...

LINUS W STOOL BEGS

LINUS BEGS TO SLOW

LUIS W STONE BLOGS

WILL BOONES GUSTS

BILL STEW US GOONS

Tom

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Doug H.]

Could it be a variant spelling of an actual word or words?
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Spencer’s Trousers Amazing Adventure Cycling Breeks Initial Impressions

[Ed Fausto]

Thanks Patrick for the initial review.
I have been looking to replace my nylon cycling pants. This could be an 
excellent alternative.
Edgar

> On 11 Sep 2018, at 5:50 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ll get around to doing a medium term review with photos etc on my blog, but 
> wanted to give initial impressions of my newly arrived bespoke amazing tweed 
> adventure cycling breeks by Spencer’s Trousers of Yorkshire (not to be 
> confused with England. Grin.). 
> 
> Wow! Without the least bit of hyperbole, these are the best fitting 
> pants/shorts/breeks I’ve ever put on. They look sharp just standing, have 
> plenty of room to freely move, squat, kneel, ride, et al, all while fitting 
> my waist so not belt is required (but they put on wider than usual 1.5” loops 
> for my belt/knife). My wife, though she knows the cost ($200, tweed bespoke 
> w/ shipping), immediately said “We need to get you more of those!” Yeah, I 
> need all the help I can get, and these help. Evidently a lot. Grin.
> 
> I just rode an initial ride in 80˚F and these breathed beautifully and didn’t 
> feel too warm even on a climb with direct sun, moving slowly and no breeze. 
> We’ll see as I end up sitting around in hot weather, presuming we get some 
> still. Still, riding they felt much better than most nylon MTB breeks I’ve 
> been using (which fit my like a garbage bag held on with a belt to give room 
> to move), and as good as Compass’ knickers (snicker snicker), which I had 
> other issues with (pilling nylon being the deal breaker, both pairs, and 
> that’s now considered “normal wear”). Will these work in the height of 
> summer? Possibly passably, and certainly bikepacking in the highlands, but 
> they will definitely work for fall, winter, and spring, which around here is 
> 11 months of the year. Grin.
> 
> I washed them (hand wash, cold, with Eucla-something wool wash, no rinse) and 
> am their drying rack as I speak. I’m impressed with how quickly these dry. 
> Must be a tight spin on the tweed yarns to not let in too much moisture! That 
> bodes beautifully for wet and cold weather to come. Grin.
> 
> https://www.spencers-trousers.com/
> 
> Their site is light on photos, which is frustrating. The breeks came with a 
> nice brochure that would have been helpful in PDF form on the site. I got 
> velcro knee closure, 2 back pockets with flaps, and requested extra room in 
> the hips by 2” and extra length even from cycling breeks for “floor living” 
> positions of squatting, kneeling, cross legged, etc, which really challenge 
> off the rack pants/breeks). Anyway, their instagram site has more photos: 
> https://www.instagram.com/spencerstrousers/
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm finding the three S's troublesome, and the lack of a D, an R or an M 
rules out a lot of things.  The only dirt or earth variant I can think of 
is SOIL, but they already played with SOIL in the BLAHG, so that's probably 
out, like BOWELS.  

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 4:30:25 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> I did notice bison could be found in there, and wondered if it was indeed 
> part if the name. Seems appropriate fir a mountain bike.
>
> Eamon 
>

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[RBW] WTB Byway on Saluki (née A Homer Hilsen)

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Riv called it school bus yellow. It’s a great color and looks even better in 
“real life”

- Frank

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[RBW] WTB Byway on Saluki (née A Homer Hilsen)

[Joe Bernard]

I wish I could find my size in that color. I'll be surprised if they produced 
more than 10 that color in ANY size. 

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I did notice bison could be found in there, and wondered if it was indeed part 
if the name. Seems appropriate fir a mountain bike.

Eamon 

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Bill Lindsay]

I got LUGLESS TWO BISON

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 5:23:40 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> There's a word puzzle for the new name. I gave it 10 minutes then realized 
> I never would have guessed Sam Hillborne or Joe Appaloosa, so I'm never 
> going to figure this one out. Good luck, wordy people!

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[RBW] Re: Enlightened in New England

[Tim Bantham]

I saw that bike in person at the shop and I must say I thought it was 
absolutely beautiful. I too have a 62cm Sam which I love. It's currently 
undergoing a makeover and James helped me with a really nice wheel build. I 
will post pictures soon. Glad you found success with working with Analog. 
They are great people! 

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 6:12:14 PM UTC-4, Max Faingezicht wrote:
>
> I'm a long time reader of the RBW forum (many years), but this is my first 
> post. 
>
> So first let me introduce myself. My name is Max and I've lived in 
> Cambridge, MA for the last 9 years - commuting to work on and off for 7 of 
> those. After years of admiring Rivendell's designs and lurking on the 
> website and this forum, I finally took the plunge in 2014 and I upgraded my 
> Surly Cross-Check for a demo Soma San Marcos on Riv's website. That sent me 
> down the rabbit hole - I was hooked on stainless steel bikes that you just 
> enjoy riding.
>
> The Soma was my daily commuter for a couple of years until my obsession 
> with getting a Sam Hillborne paired with a FS ad on my local craigslist 
> landed me a beautiful black and cream double top tube 62cm SH fully loaded 
> and built by Harris Cyclery. Today I still have the SH as well as an AHH 
> bought from another member... but that's a story for another time. Btw, I 
> spoted a beautiful AHH around Somerville, MA yesterday and was certain that 
> must have been be Shoji - small world.
>
> Back to getting enlightened, I've always struggled with fit - my pbh comes 
> in at 91.5cm even though I'm 5'11'' - so long legs and arms but shorter 
> torso... which means many times I felt my shoulders and neck really 
> stretched after a longish (by my standards) ride. Reading the blug, I heard 
> about this little shop that was going to move to Vermont: Analog Cycles. 
> Grant and the Riv team had only good things to say about them and when I 
> looked at their website I found this 
>  page on their philosophy and 
> experience with fitting. I decided to contact them and drive out to get a 
> proper fit!
>
> First, James sent me a thorough questionnaire and asked for photos of my 
> bikes. We arranged for a visit and when I got there around 1 or 2pm, 
> James was super patient as we went through the "enlightened fitting" 
> process, he measured all the dimensions of my current setups and also my 
> pbh. Then little by little modified the saddle height, stem - we tried at 
> least 3 different stems - and handlebar heights to find the perfect fit for 
> me.
>
> I was blown away by their expertise and the number of parts he's got 
> stowed away in that small shop in the middle of the woods. All sorts of 
> Nitto goodies including stems, handlebars, rack hardware, etc. as well as a 
> bunch of awesome Rivendell frames and bikes.
>
> He went out with me multiple times to see my posture as a I was riding 
> next to him and after many iterations we got the perfect match using the 
> shortest technomic stem with handlebars above sit height and a higher than 
> I would've thought saddle (81cm). The result is just outstanding, I now 
> feel completely connected with my bikes. 
>
> Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that Candice did an amazing 
> job with my handlebars , bags, 
> tape and shellac - she's truly an artist. I saw her wiring up another 
> beautiful bike and her attention to detail is incredible - you can see her 
> work on their Instagram feed. 
>
> They are really passionate about what they do and it shows - both went out 
> of their way to make sure I was happy with the results. So, if you happen 
> to be in Vermont, you should stop by.
>
> Cheers and I look forward to hearing your comments and hopefully becoming 
> a more active member of the forum.
>
> Max
>
> PS. Saw this site 
>  the other day 
> with sketches of bikes and thought you'd get a kick out of it.
>

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[RBW] Re: Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Lum Gim Fong]

Front loads make my Bleriot and Rambouillet wobbly up front.
I rode a couple years with front rack and Berthoud bag but now that I have 
had no front loads for a while, having returned to a front rack and load on 
my Rambouilet, I don't like it anymore. It was fine when I was enthusiastic 
about it and easy enough to handle but now just feels dangerously floppy on 
the front wheel.

Bike handles way better with a seat bag.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Blue Rambouillet "complete"

[Lum Gim Fong]

That HT looks way too tall for a 54.
And 54 was 700c.
Only 52 is 26"
Here is how short a 54 head tube is, even though my Rambouillet has the 
later Hilsen type lugs:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/19F2v0

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[RBW] Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[lambbo]

Saddle-Sack is the best thing IMO - unless you're locking up your bike for 
short amounts of time a lot in risky areas...kind of a hassle to take off.  
Great for all rides except commuting essentially.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell World Headquarters Visit

[RichS]

Ben, congratulations to Megan! Thanks for including the pic of Grant and 
Megan. All those boxes of bikes/frames in the background. Wow!

Regards,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:22:33 AM UTC-4, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Today my girlfriend, Megan, and I took a trip to Walnut Crick and visited 
> RWB World Headquarters. She'd been eyeing a Sage Sam or a Forest Green Clem 
> Jr, and ended up settling on a Clem with the help of Will and Grant. 
>
> All in all a great visit. Got to see the new MTB fork in the flesh (I'm 
> not sure it was just me, but I thought you could see through the top blade 
> segment; you can't it's just the same colour as the background in the 
> Blug). 
>
> A highlight was when we went on a test ride, her on the Clem and me on a 
> new AHH. Inexplicably the Homer got a front flat about half way through the 
> ride. But a quick call to Will and Grant came out and swapped out the Homer 
> for a new Atlantis. Two test bike rides for one! Later on Will said he 
> couldn't remember anyone ever getting a flat on a test ride, so maybe I'm 
> that lucky?
>
> After that, details of Megan's Clem were settled on and what not. I've 
> attached a picture of her and Grant discussing bar tape wrapping options 
> and configurations. Meanwhile I talked with Henry and Vince briefly and 
> swapped SF dirt rides with Will. 
>
> On the way back, Megan remarked how great it is that we are so close to 
> RWB and asked if it's just dumb luck. It's her first bike as an adult, and 
> she very happy with her choice. I own/have own a number of Riv bikes, but 
> maybe I take for granted a little bit how lucky it is that they're so 
> close. It's truly a unique business with unique individuals and a strong 
> community backing it. It is definitely fun to be a part of that community. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Enlightened in New England

[RichS]

Welcome to the group Max. Nice intro you put together! You're fortunate to 
have Analog Cycles in your neck of the woods (so to speak). What a glowing 
endorsement too.

Regards,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 6:12:14 PM UTC-4, Max Faingezicht wrote:
>
> I'm a long time reader of the RBW forum (many years), but this is my first 
> post. 
>
> So first let me introduce myself. My name is Max and I've lived in 
> Cambridge, MA for the last 9 years - commuting to work on and off for 7 of 
> those. After years of admiring Rivendell's designs and lurking on the 
> website and this forum, I finally took the plunge in 2014 and I upgraded my 
> Surly Cross-Check for a demo Soma San Marcos on Riv's website. That sent me 
> down the rabbit hole - I was hooked on stainless steel bikes that you just 
> enjoy riding.
>
> The Soma was my daily commuter for a couple of years until my obsession 
> with getting a Sam Hillborne paired with a FS ad on my local craigslist 
> landed me a beautiful black and cream double top tube 62cm SH fully loaded 
> and built by Harris Cyclery. Today I still have the SH as well as an AHH 
> bought from another member... but that's a story for another time. Btw, I 
> spoted a beautiful AHH around Somerville, MA yesterday and was certain that 
> must have been be Shoji - small world.
>
> Back to getting enlightened, I've always struggled with fit - my pbh comes 
> in at 91.5cm even though I'm 5'11'' - so long legs and arms but shorter 
> torso... which means many times I felt my shoulders and neck really 
> stretched after a longish (by my standards) ride. Reading the blug, I heard 
> about this little shop that was going to move to Vermont: Analog Cycles. 
> Grant and the Riv team had only good things to say about them and when I 
> looked at their website I found this 
>  page on their philosophy and 
> experience with fitting. I decided to contact them and drive out to get a 
> proper fit!
>
> First, James sent me a thorough questionnaire and asked for photos of my 
> bikes. We arranged for a visit and when I got there around 1 or 2pm, 
> James was super patient as we went through the "enlightened fitting" 
> process, he measured all the dimensions of my current setups and also my 
> pbh. Then little by little modified the saddle height, stem - we tried at 
> least 3 different stems - and handlebar heights to find the perfect fit for 
> me.
>
> I was blown away by their expertise and the number of parts he's got 
> stowed away in that small shop in the middle of the woods. All sorts of 
> Nitto goodies including stems, handlebars, rack hardware, etc. as well as a 
> bunch of awesome Rivendell frames and bikes.
>
> He went out with me multiple times to see my posture as a I was riding 
> next to him and after many iterations we got the perfect match using the 
> shortest technomic stem with handlebars above sit height and a higher than 
> I would've thought saddle (81cm). The result is just outstanding, I now 
> feel completely connected with my bikes. 
>
> Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that Candice did an amazing 
> job with my handlebars , bags, 
> tape and shellac - she's truly an artist. I saw her wiring up another 
> beautiful bike and her attention to detail is incredible - you can see her 
> work on their Instagram feed. 
>
> They are really passionate about what they do and it shows - both went out 
> of their way to make sure I was happy with the results. So, if you happen 
> to be in Vermont, you should stop by.
>
> Cheers and I look forward to hearing your comments and hopefully becoming 
> a more active member of the forum.
>
> Max
>
> PS. Saw this site 
>  the other day 
> with sketches of bikes and thought you'd get a kick out of it.
>

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[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Surlyprof]

Vincent, 

I've avoided a permanent basket mounting with a John's Irish 
strap.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/16159037984/in/dateposted-public/  
This is the way I used to strap it to the front rack.  Now I attach it the 
same way but cross the strap underneath between the basket and fender.  It 
seems to hold it a little more snug since all the forces are pulling in on 
the rack.  I'd like to work out a quick release attachment like Clayton 
worked out but this has been working well enough for my needs and it's easy 
enough to put on and take off.

Hope that helps.
John

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:47:46 PM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
> Anyone got any ideas for a detachable wald setup? I love baskets in the 
> practical sense but I think my favorite Riv Bike setup is med Saddle sack 
> in back and a track sack up front. It has a classy feel. 
>
> Do you think some kind of strap, either Irish or Voile/ski strap, would 
> make a good way of securing a basket for light and even med loads? This way 
> it can be removed or installed easily. I’m gonna try it this weekend but 
> I’m curious if any one else has. 
>
> I will certainly be careful in light of all this nitto basket rack hubbub

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[RBW] Spencer’s Trousers Amazing Adventure Cycling Breeks Initial Impressions

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ll get around to doing a medium term review with photos etc on my blog, but 
wanted to give initial impressions of my newly arrived bespoke amazing tweed 
adventure cycling breeks by Spencer’s Trousers of Yorkshire (not to be confused 
with England. Grin.). 

Wow! Without the least bit of hyperbole, these are the best fitting 
pants/shorts/breeks I’ve ever put on. They look sharp just standing, have 
plenty of room to freely move, squat, kneel, ride, et al, all while fitting my 
waist so not belt is required (but they put on wider than usual 1.5” loops for 
my belt/knife). My wife, though she knows the cost ($200, tweed bespoke w/ 
shipping), immediately said “We need to get you more of those!” Yeah, I need 
all the help I can get, and these help. Evidently a lot. Grin.

I just rode an initial ride in 80˚F and these breathed beautifully and didn’t 
feel too warm even on a climb with direct sun, moving slowly and no breeze. 
We’ll see as I end up sitting around in hot weather, presuming we get some 
still. Still, riding they felt much better than most nylon MTB breeks I’ve been 
using (which fit my like a garbage bag held on with a belt to give room to 
move), and as good as Compass’ knickers (snicker snicker), which I had other 
issues with (pilling nylon being the deal breaker, both pairs, and that’s now 
considered “normal wear”). Will these work in the height of summer? Possibly 
passably, and certainly bikepacking in the highlands, but they will definitely 
work for fall, winter, and spring, which around here is 11 months of the year. 
Grin.

I washed them (hand wash, cold, with Eucla-something wool wash, no rinse) and 
am their drying rack as I speak. I’m impressed with how quickly these dry. Must 
be a tight spin on the tweed yarns to not let in too much moisture! That bodes 
beautifully for wet and cold weather to come. Grin.

https://www.spencers-trousers.com/

Their site is light on photos, which is frustrating. The breeks came with a 
nice brochure that would have been helpful in PDF form on the site. I got 
velcro knee closure, 2 back pockets with flaps, and requested extra room in the 
hips by 2” and extra length even from cycling breeks for “floor living” 
positions of squatting, kneeling, cross legged, etc, which really challenge off 
the rack pants/breeks). Anyway, their instagram site has more photos: 
https://www.instagram.com/spencerstrousers/

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[blakcloud]

Five pages on using or not using a front rack with baskets. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/m3Y3EdRhxv4%5B1-25%5D

On my Riv I started with a porteur rack and basket. Seemed like overkill, 
so I switched out to a Mark's rack and basket. Then I switched out to the 
smaller basket. Every time there was an improvement in handling, because I 
wasn't loading it as much.  This summer I took the basket off and it won't 
return anytime soon. I may love the convenience but it does affect the 
handling. Like some of the suggestions I am looking at some type of 
seat/saddle back to take a small load and see how the bike feels with that. 
I do know a front basket won't be returning at least for a while. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Blue Rambouillet "complete"

[Tristan Cheal]

Ad says 26" wheels.  I thought the Rambo was only in 26" up to sz 52?

On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:50:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ok, confirmed with the seller, it's a (very beautiful) 54. You can see it 
> here. 
>
>
> https://stockton.craigslist.org/bik/d/rambouillet-by-rivendell/6677525765.html
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto, Banana, Bartube, Ortlieb, ebike kit

[Joe Bernard]

All Riv bags shipped, e-kit looks to be sold by end of day (9/10), that got WAY 
more attention than I expected! 

Taking offers on the Nitto Big Rack and Ortliebs. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Works best to put Democratic lawn signs in left side saddlebags, Republican in 
the right. Moderate candidates (if you can find them) can be used in handlebar 
bags.

--Eric N

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:08 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> To add stiffness to any bag, the material that many election lawn signs are 
> made of (seems to be a coated cardboard-ish stuff) work well.  Comes in large 
> sizes, is free (after the election, of course) and with the mid-terms coming 
> up will be in endless supply.  It breaks down with use but then you just 
> whack out another chunk.  
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 10:44:18 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>   I didn't see any mention of a corroplast stiffener on the bottom of the 
>> bag, like in the other saddlebags, does anyone know if these new BagBoys 
>> have one?
>> 
>> John
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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[dougP]

To add stiffness to any bag, the material that many election lawn signs are 
made of (seems to be a coated cardboard-ish stuff) work well.  Comes in 
large sizes, is free (after the election, of course) and with the mid-terms 
coming up will be in endless supply.  It breaks down with use but then you 
just whack out another chunk.  

dougP

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>   I didn't see any mention of a corroplast stiffener on the bottom of the 
> bag, like in the other saddlebags, does anyone know if these new BagBoys 
> have one?
>
> John
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[RBW] Rivys in Grants, NM #GDMBR

[John Rinker]

Any Riv riders in Grants, NM? Team Seersucker is passing through to our final 
leg of the GDMBR, and would love a garage/yard to clean/tune up our bikes for 
the final leg. Here today: Sept 10.

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[RBW] Re: Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Drw]

I have a front basket on all my bikes, but I don’t use them for regular/all the 
time loads because I agree that it makes steering less than ideal. I leave them 
on the bike for picking up food or other random things. As soon as I take one 
off a bike, the next ride I go on is always the one where I find something I 
want to take home that won’t fit in a small saddlebag. 

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud fender installation questions

[Brian Campbell]

When I ran Berthoud's, I did not need a second stay like I do on the VO 
(alloy) fenders. They are stiffer and don't flop so much. YMMV.

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 1:23:22 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> I will use Sheldon fender nut. Does the stainless Berthoud fender require 
> something to brace the front fender nose like Honjos do  or not?

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[RBW] Re: Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Brian Campbell]

=2. I took the front load off my AHH because I felt it made the steering 
sloppy. YMMV.

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> More power to ya if you're committed to a front basket - Riv staff use 
> them - but Rivs are optimized for rear loads and I don't like 10 pounds of 
> floppy steering up front. In your case I would use a Nitto R14 rack, and 
> saddlebag or basket on the rear. 

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[RBW] Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[John G.]

+1 to Joe’s comment. I hated the way my Atlantis handled with a front load 
above the wheel. It’s much nicer with a rear load, or low riding front 
panniers. My point of comparison is my Crust Lightning Bolt, which is a delight 
with a front load. 

To be completely honest, I think the need for carrying more than 2-3 lbs of 
stuff up front on rides shorter than 300k is grossly exaggerated. Taking a 
quick brake to pull a banana nut muffin out of your saddlebag is hardly a 
massive constraint on most types of rides.

That being said, I did buy a low trail bike so that I could enjoy some sweet 
“swap my glasses for sunglasses while eating a stick of jerky while still 
maintaining 16 mph avg pace” action. 

The Homer is the Riv I wish I bought—don’t let its suitability for rear loads 
keep you from loving it!

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[RBW] Re: FS-Quickbeam 60 cm, multi geared, $1350

[alan lavine]

Hi All,
Surprising lack of interest in this QB...I should have sold it at the 
beginning of the summer, but was hoping for a tour that didn't happen.

How about a price reduction to $1200 ?

Alan
NYC

On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 5:57:00 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> Selling this Riv classic that doesn't get much use.  I set it up for 
> touring which didn't (and won't) happen.
> Serial # 04019085
> ST 60 cm c-t, TT 58 cm (my measurements)
> Wheels: Phil Wood hubs laced to Belgium HED 32 spoke rims. Compass Barlow 
> Pass EL tires, 700 x 38 with good tread
> Drive train: Sakae XS crank with 38 and 36 chainrings, Surly dingle 17-21 
> in rear.  This yields useable gears of 61,49,47 inches. Excellent chain 
> line. 170 crank length.
> Nitto noodles 46 (44 brake hoods c-c) with Nitto Dirt Drop stem 8cm. 
>  Brooks leather bar wrap, lots of beausage.
> Brakes: Avid shorty 4 front, Paul Canti rear. Shimano levers with gray 
> plastic.
> Brooks B17 saddle, good condition, on no name seatpost with decent setback.
>
> Includes:
> VO smooth metal fenders
> VO decaleur rack
> Vo Randonneur bag
> Greenfield kickstand.
>
> Will post some picks as soon as I get it cleaned up a bit, but y'all know 
> what it looks like.  Overall good to VG condition.
> Strongly prefer local sale but will consider shipping at buyers expense if 
> I have to. If I'm off base with the price, let's talk.
>
> Best,
> Alan NYC
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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[John Phillips]

  I didn't see any mention of a corroplast stiffener on the bottom of the 
bag, like in the other saddlebags, does anyone know if these new BagBoys 
have one?

John

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud fender installation questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

I will use Sheldon fender nut. Does the stainless Berthoud fender require 
something to brace the front fender nose like Honjos do  or not?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tektro TRP RRL vs. Shimano Tiagra type BRL400 brake levers?

[Jim Bronson]

Yea, that fillet brazed stem is sweet!   I don't have any bikes that use
threadless anymore, but if I did, I'd be wanting to get something like that.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:00 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Thanks, Doug!
>
> Looks real nice! What kind of stem is that?
>
> Looks like the shim would make them stick out straight like brifters.
> Those bars look the same shape as the M151F I hopefully will be using. I
> will have to try both ways to see which will be best for me.
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[RBW] Re: FS: nitto r14 rear rack

[Jeffrey B]

Sold

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Clayton. Disney, I suspect, would be all over copyright protection. 
Grin.

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[RBW] Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Joe Bernard]

More power to ya if you're committed to a front basket - Riv staff use them - 
but Rivs are optimized for rear loads and I don't like 10 pounds of floppy 
steering up front. In your case I would use a Nitto R14 rack, and saddlebag or 
basket on the rear. 

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[RBW] Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Justin, Oakland]

Front: Marks rack with double stays on the front, basket voile strapped to it.
Rear: Marks rack with a saddle bag resting on it. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Joe Bernard]

I like Mary's version, Sub Sings Too Well. Let's just call it that!

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[RBW] advice for attaching cork grips to chocos with bar end shifters

[Joe Bernard]

Two points about Ergon "cork" grips: Not really cork, it's "cork look", and 
they work great on swept back bars. There's one designed specifically for those 
bars, but I've found that all Ergons work on them. 

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[RBW] Bar reach and rise specs

[Dave Redmon]

Can someone tell me the reach and rise specs for these Nitto bars? I'm 
considering alternatives for my new-to-me 52cm Clem L.

1) Bosco 353
2) Choco-Norm B357AAF

Thanks in advance--

Dave in Kansas

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[RBW] Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[James Copp]

I am in the market for a rack for my Hilsen.  It would be light loads, 
10lbs max, and I want to run a basket on it.  I figured people here would 
have advice/opinions on front vs rear loads on the Hilsen, and maybe even a 
specific rack recommendation.

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud fender installation questions

[Brian Campbell]

I would vote to go back to 700x32.  Also if you are trying to maximize 
clearance, try a set of center pull brakes, if you are not using them 
already and maybe ditch the daruma style mount and use a bracket that 
mounts at the brake bolt. These are all things that I have done on my AHH 
and other road bikes to gain clearance for fenders.

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 12:12:30 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Not enough space with P45 and 700c 32mm tires on blue Ram for my tastes.
> I was thinking of trying my Honjo H50 wiith 700 x 32c and see if the high 
> arched Honjos offer enough room for safe tire passage.
>
> Width would definitely be wide enough. Height is the challenge. I always 
> use fender nuts. Never darumas.
>
> The 650b x 42mm  fit H50's pretty good all around but a little tight in 
> the width at chainstays but passable. Perfect with tons of clearance for 
> front wheel all around.
>
> I might throw my A23 700c wheels on the Ram under the Honjos and see if 
> they fit well. If so, I may just convert back to 700 on the Rambouillet.
>

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[RBW] Re: UPDATE Dura-Ace wheels, Dirt Drop bar, Jack Brown tires

[David Sprunger]

Update: The tires and bars have been sold. The Dura-Ace wheels are still
available.
Thanks,
David


On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 7:09 AM David Sprunger  wrote:

> Cross-posted to Bob and Riv lists
>
> I’m jumping on the fall cleaning bandwagon and offering a few items that
> should interest the list.
>
> David Sprunger
>
> Fargo, ND
>
>
>
> Dura-Ace wheelset. These wheels are a bit out of the ordinary, being
> sturdier and ready for wider tires than many other Dura-Ace wheels. 36h on
> 700c Dyad rims. Butted Wheelsmith spokes and Newbaum cloth tape. Although
> marked 8S, I used these wheels with a 9-speed drivetrain on my Roadeo.
> 100/130 OLD and with original skewers. Shiny and smoth. $225 plus
> shipping by Bikeflights.
>
>
>
> Pair of Rivendell Jack Brown Green tires. This is the model without the
> tread belt or beefier sidewalls. About 30 miles of wear. $40/pair includes
> U.S. shipping.
>
>
>
> Classic Rivendell/Nitto dirt drop bar. Don’t let the tape residue fool
> you. These bars have seen limited use. Never wrecked. Sleeve is clean.
> RM013. Heat treated. This is the wide model – 52 cm between the flared
> tips. Milled for bar end shifters. $35 plus shipping.
>
>
>
> Pictures:
>
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ag4tr1xyXDYDg8hzcIa1MSWVwM1fcw
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great names Patrick! 

Clayton
DDD

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[RBW] advice for attaching cork grips to chocos with bar end shifters

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If you are grooving the grips for the cable, put the glue only under the bottom 
of the grip so the groove in the cork has some structural strength?  (Or 
hairspray.) 

You could split the grips, wrap the bars with a single layer of cloth 
electrical tape, then bind on the grips with twine and varnish?   Zero slip. 
Maximum safety. 

Ergon makes a cork anatomical grip that bolts on, but would not work well with 
a severely swept bar. 

I wonder how varnish would work for grip glue?  Alcohol would clean the bars up 
well.

I used cork grips for a bit, but didn’t like the feel (too hard), durability, 
and  cleaning up the handlebars after removal. (I like Grab On touring grips, 
cut as long as possible for lots of hand roaming room and comfort. I use them 
on my flat bars, and under my handlebar tape too, due to carpal tunnel issues 
and advice from my surgeon). 

Clayton
DirtDanceDesigns

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[RBW] FS: Dura-Ace wheels, Dirt Drop bar, Jack Brown tires

[David Sprunger]

Cross-posted to Bob and Riv lists

I’m jumping on the fall cleaning bandwagon and offering a few items that
should interest the list.

David Sprunger

Fargo, ND



Dura-Ace wheelset. These wheels are a bit out of the ordinary, being
sturdier and ready for wider tires than many other Dura-Ace wheels. 36h on
700c Dyad rims. Butted Wheelsmith spokes and Newbaum cloth tape. Although
marked 8S, I used these wheels with a 9-speed drivetrain on my Roadeo.
100/130 OLD and with original skewers. Shiny and smoth. $225 plus
shipping by Bikeflights.



Pair of Rivendell Jack Brown Green tires. This is the model without the
tread belt or beefier sidewalls. About 30 miles of wear. $40/pair includes
U.S. shipping.



Classic Rivendell/Nitto dirt drop bar. Don’t let the tape residue fool you.
These bars have seen limited use. Never wrecked. Sleeve is clean. RM013.
Heat treated. This is the wide model – 52 cm between the flared tips.
Milled for bar end shifters. $35 plus shipping.



Pictures:

https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ag4tr1xyXDYDg8hzcIa1MSWVwM1fcw

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[RBW] Re: FS: nitto r14 rear rack

[Jeffrey B]

$95 shipped.

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Re: [RBW] Enlightened in New England

[Max Faingezicht]

Thanks, I’m excited to ride them more now that the fit is right. 
Yes, he’s still using the laser measuring and then just patience to find the 
right mix of saddle position, stem and handlebar angles.

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