[RBW] PSA: 59CM Green Custom/Long-Low

[Kieran J]

59cm Riv for sale over on Pinkbike in Colorado.
$3k price is optimistic. Nice to look at though.
Possibly my fav type of green for a bike!

https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2467422/?directtofirstphoto

KJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Patrick Moore]

I'm glad that no one was badly injured. I've had my share of falls,
fortunately, fewer than might have been, but I've had some quasi miraculous
saves, one in particular when I was bombing along a dirt path racing a guy
on a dirt bike (motorbike) in the distance (I was much younger then) and
stupidly looking at him instead of my route. I turned to look forward *just* in
time to see a 12 or 15 inch wide ditch across my path -- and instinctively
did a bunny hop that saved me from a very violent header. Thank God,
particularly for pedal retention!

Another time I wasn't so lucky: stupidly got my front wheel in a cattle
guard, flipped, and saw the bike tumbling after me, viewed head down
through my legs. Stupid motor traffic was snickering as I picked myself up,
but a couple of hillbilly types out of Deliverance stopped and offered me a
ride to the hospital. Publican and Pharisee! Bruised a rib or 2 and had
some scrapes, but otherwise I was fine. Needed a new front wheel, though.

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:49 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> My wife went over the bars with the cheapy v brakes and cheapy levers on
> her Raleigh Detour. She did not get hurt.
> But upon me test riding right after the rear derailer got wrapped up in
> the spokes.
>
> Once she was passing over perpendicular to an 8 inch wide x 20 foot
> fissure in the road about two inches deep and crashed. Again, unharmed. I
> am guessing somehow her 35mm front tire got hung up in the split in the
> road and stopped the bike.
>
> Once I got my pedal touched on a curb and endoed on my Giant Defy bike.
> Once my 23mm tire on same got caught in sidewalk mold line and crashed.
> Once went off MUP, and crashed upon front wheel not making it back up
> blacktop at 45 degree angle. Was new rider in all three instances. Got hit
> by car on my Bleriot. I praise God that me and wife not injured in these
> crashes. Just minor scrapes.
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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Lum Gim Fong]

My wife went over the bars with the cheapy v brakes and cheapy levers on her 
Raleigh Detour. She did not get hurt.
But upon me test riding right after the rear derailer got wrapped up in the 
spokes.

Once she was passing over perpendicular to an 8 inch wide x 20 foot fissure in 
the road about two inches deep and crashed. Again, unharmed. I am guessing 
somehow her 35mm front tire got hung up in the split in the road and stopped 
the bike.

Once I got my pedal touched on a curb and endoed on my Giant Defy bike. Once my 
23mm tire on same got caught in sidewalk mold line and crashed. Once went off 
MUP, and crashed upon front wheel not making it back up blacktop at 45 degree 
angle. Was new rider in all three instances. Got hit by car on my Bleriot. I 
praise God that me and wife not injured in these crashes. Just minor scrapes.

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Gotcha, Max. I know others like the L model Clem a lot for the obvious 
clearance while maintaining the rest of the geo.  Adam and other 59 L owners  
may have some advice WRT the Clem L vs what we know about the Gus. 

Good luck!  Nice ‘problem’ to have :-)

Tom

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[tc]

Thanks, Leah. I hope they get more colors in - looks perfect!

Tom

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[RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I'd guess that the principal reasons for the difference are cost and a more
general all-rounder use for the Roadini; the Roadeo is a high-end road bike
aimed at the club rider as an alternative to good if not top quality carbon
fiber frames -- heck, as an alternative to 15K carbon fiber frames, if it
comes to that. So small, incremental, but real improvements in weight and,
even more, that "springiness" that you feel with a top quality steel frame
are qualities that particular market will pay for.

Me, I'd love a Roadeo, but will not buy a Roadini. (Does anyone have a 58
to sell? (The 58 is 6-4-6, right?) -- Though I still wonder about getting
another 26-wheel road custom ...

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 2:22 PM Ash  wrote:

> 
>
> Another part I'm pondering (probably only the designer can answer) is if
> their previous iteration of road bikes is lighter because of a different
> thickness/tapering proportions, what's the compromise.  There's got to be a
> reason why they changed the design from Roadeo.  Or is it that due to the
> type of tubing/material, the lighter (yet strong enough) design is only
> possible in MUSA frames?...
>
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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Max S]

Thanks for sharing your experience, Tom. Methinks that the 52 is a bit on the 
small side for me, but the 59 is just as much in the tall side for intended 
use. Will wait to see the sizing on the upcoming MTB to run the fatter tires. 

- Max “sitting on my hands” in A2

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[RBW] Re: WTB - 51 Appaloosa or 51 Hillborne - or possibly 55 Cheviot

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

HI Andrew, Her PBH is 84. 

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:17:31 PM UTC-4, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> Curious, what is her PBH?  

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[sameness]

The only time I've been over the bars was using Tektro R539s. Still got the 
bone chip in my elbow as a memento. Still got those brakes bolted up, too.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Grant will gladly discuss these issues with you, based on my experience 
asking him about TAIHomer vs. Roadini vs. MUSARoadeo.
I was researching this all in depth for my latest purchase.
I wanted the lightest tubing set they make because I knew the usual Riv 
8/5/8 frames fight against me on hills. Needed something that cooperates 
better for me. I just can't power an 8/5/8. He understood that TaiHomer and 
Roadini might not be what I am looking for.

The Roadeo is made specifically for road riding and not for 
touring/commuting/off road. But I use it for all road riding, includung 
commuting, because I carry small loads on the saddle bag and 6/4/6 works 
better for me. Easier to get up hills. Noticeably.
I think the Legolas and MUSARoadeo are the thinnest tubing specs they ever 
made on production bikes and they still make the mUSA Roadeo in regular 
production for now. Legolas as a custom I think.

So for me, it was about getting a frame that just makes it easier to pedal 
along.. The only thing I give up is the ability to use 42mm tires. But it 
works great with 32mm tires and I am happy with that size. Cannot do 
fenders unless I use 28mm tires. Of course, 42 with fenders would be great, 
but then I would have to be on an 8/5/8 Rivbike, which I already know, 
after owning 4 of them, that it would not be worth the hardship getting up 
hills and fighting the bike. The 32mm is fine for me on the Roadeo. The 
28mm with fenders on the Rambouillet as foul weather bike is fine. I can 
always go back to 650b x 42 on the Ram if I want the wider tires and the 
conversion works perfect on the Ram. Would not work good on Roadeo because 
fendering a Roadeo would be harder to do as the chainstay bridge is really 
far from where the fender would have to engage it. So, with these not being 
one size fits all bikes, you have to think about what is the most important 
for you and be willing to compromise on the rest or have a second bike to 
fulfill your other wishes.




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[RBW] The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[David Carner]

52 cm. original green Sam Hillborne
Wheels: Deore LX hubs, Atlas Rims, GB Hetre tires
Crank: Sugino triple
Cassette: 11-36 (9)
FD: IRD Alpina
RD: Deore rapid rise 
Brakes: Deore V-brakes
Albatross bars with bar-end shifters 
Plus: VO steel fenders, VO constructeur rear rack, Nitto mini front rack with 
full Platrack and large basket, B-17 saddle, brass bell.
Approximately 33.5 lbs

Rivendell Road 650B conversion
Wheels: Silver hubs, GB rims, Compass BSP EL tires
Crank: Compass RH double 
Cassette: XT 12-32 (9)
FD: Shimano CX-70
RD: XT
Brakes: 559
Albastache bars; down tube shifters
Plus: Brooks pro saddle, no fenders, no racks except bracket for Nitto saddle 
bag quick release 
Approximately 22.5 lbs

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[dougP]

My daughter bought a commuter bike with a Nexus hub and noticed the same 
problem.  She found a youtube video & from that was able to sort it out in 
a few minutes.  It was something like lining up two yellow markers.  Not 
intuitive but easy once she knew what to do.

dougP

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:53:51 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I did talk my wife into a Public mixte with Nexus hub.  She loves it and 
> the bright orange bike with match racks makes the neighbors smile when she 
> rides it.  What I have found is that the cheaper parts are a bit more 
> difficult to adjust and keep adjusted.  I’ll probably upgrade the brakes 
> when she’s not looking.  The Nexus hub is the part I have to adjust the 
> most.  They tend to miss shift as the cables stretch.  Easy adjustment, but 
> required pretty often. 
>
> John

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[RBW] FS: Jones H Bars

[Timothy Hurley]

Hi all,

I'm selling a set or aluminum Jones SG Loop H Bars. They're the wider 
ones. In an attempt to further Jones-ify my Karate Monkey (good bike/bad 
name), I replaced them with the riser version. $60 shipped to lower 48. PM 
if interested. Thanks!

   -T.J.

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[RBW] Re: WTB - 51 Appaloosa or 51 Hillborne - or possibly 55 Cheviot

[Andrew Huston]

Curious, what is her PBH?  

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Maybe your friend was trying to shift his gears with a stick when they 
crashed, or their fender jammed, or their overloaded Wald basket/nitto rack 
failed into their front wheel? ;-)

My point is, any bike rider can wipe out. V-brakes can have the same type 
of on/off problems with modulation that you're referring to with disk 
brakes, but I don't think disks are inherently more dangerous. There's many 
situations or environments where they could be easily be seen as being more 
safe. My experience with disk brakes has been super positive; even the 
cheapo hydro models are so much nicer that cantis IMO. 

-Kevin 
In Madison, WI

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ash]

Hey Lum,

Appreciate you staying with me on these questions.

The next one being my 3rd Riv, I want to think it through a little more 
before pulling the trigger.  Hence all these questions.

The big question in my head is, with its specific deliberate design,  how 
heaver is Roadini as compared to Roadeo.

Another part I'm pondering (probably only the designer can answer) is if 
their previous iteration of road bikes is lighter because of a different 
thickness/tapering proportions, what's the compromise.  There's got to be a 
reason why they changed the design from Roadeo.  Or is it that due to the 
type of tubing/material, the lighter (yet strong enough) design is only 
possible in MUSA frames?...



On Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:12:43 UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Roadini specs from RBW:
> Roadini: 
> “0.9 x 0.7 TT and the length is cut from the butt (0.9) end. So you get 
> the 0.9 up at the front, where top tubes buckle. The 0.7 is on the thick 
> side for a belly (though it's the same as old Columbus SP, which was 1.0 x 
> 0.7 x 1.0--as a historical reference). 
>   
> The 0.7 seat-post end is light. But that's the least stressed portion on a 
> top tube. We use the same tube on our heavier bikes, but they're not 
> "chopped from the butt." Weight  difference is minimal. 
>   
> DT is a tapered tube--31.8 x 1.1 at the head tube, to 28.6 x 0.8 at the 
> bottom bracket. It's another "chopped from the butt" tube, to minimize the 
> 1.1 length, but still giving it a lot of buckle-resistance. 
>   
> You might wonder why a tapered tube here, and why not fatten it at the BB? 
> (Like Serotta's old "Colorado Concept" tubes were.) Well...almost all of 
> the tilting/fatigue stress down there at the crank is localized on the base 
> of the seat tube. I've seen 30 bikes (not all ours, thanks...) break there, 
> and zero break at the downtube. Strain gauge stess analysis reveals that 
> the stress is light on the down tube, heavy on the seat tube. 
>   
> That's why, on our TIG'd bikes, the seat tube is 1.1 there, and ovalized 
> laterally to 34.9 x 28.6.”
>

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

Thanks for the info. 
Looked for the saddlesack small couldn't find it.  Turns out the Sackville 
BagBoy SaddleSack is the replacement for the small.  Luckily clicked on it, 
name made me think it was just one of their oddball bags.

Not interested in the capacity of the  NLL, Time to start narrowing down 
the list

Daniel


On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:43:32 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
For a Roadini-style bike the Riv banana sack is a roomy bag that might 
suffice.  If you want to go larger, then the Riv Saddle sack small should 
fit.  The larger Acorn bags (if you can grab them when they are put on 
sale) also follow a thin form factor that is good for us (height-challenged 
folk).

Toshi

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

> A Barley will fit there without a support. I recommend the “Audax” version 
> of the Barley. Same size, better features. 
>
> A Nelson Lowsaddle Longflap might fit, might not. 
>

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[RBW] Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Ginz]

A Barley will fit there without a support. I recommend the “Audax” version of 
the Barley. Same size, better features. 

A Nelson Lowsaddle Longflap might fit, might not.

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Re: [RBW] Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

For a Roadini-style bike the Riv banana sack is a roomy bag that might
suffice.  If you want to go larger, then the Riv Saddle sack small should
fit.  The larger Acorn bags (if you can grab them when they are put on
sale) also follow a thin form factor that is good for us (height-challenged
folk).

Toshi


On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:24 PM Daniel D.  wrote:

> Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning towards
> a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker bags don't
> do it for me.
>
> The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman
> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support?
>
> Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop
>
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> 
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[RBW] Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning towards 
a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker bags don't 
do it for me.  

The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman 
support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support?

Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop





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[RBW] WTB: 26" Dynamo Front Wheel

[Adam Leibow]

Hi all, 

interested in a dynamo hubbed front wheel for an atlantis, so in rim brake 
and silver. let me know what you got. also if you have the wheelset front 
and rear, i could be interested in this as long as the rear spacing is 
135mm. 

Thanks! 

Adam

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[phil k]

Daniel, not poor form at all.

The Breezer Uptown is a great bike for someone who is starting to look into 
bicycling. Who knows, they may get into bicycling and happen upon "Just 
Ride" and find it good reading. Next thing you know they may grab a 
Rivendell or two. :)

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:31:55 PM UTC-4, Daniel M wrote:
>
> So, this may be really poor form on a forum dedicated to a bike company we 
> all hold dear, but when I am asked to recommend a practical town bike, my 
> answer is always the same: Breezer Uptown 8. Upright riding position with 
> slightly swept bars, aluminum frame available in standard or low-step 
> versions, steel fork, 26" wheels with V-brakes and clearance for 2.0" 
> tires, rear rack and fenders, 8-speed Shimano internal gear hub with fully 
> enclosed chain case AND front dyno with lights. Still under $900 new. It 
> has nowhere near the grace of a Rivendell and not enough gear range to 
> tackle steep hills while loaded, but it is the perfect entry-level daily 
> "no excuses" bike as someone mentioned here. If there were another 
> brand/model with all of these features, I would mention it in the same 
> breath, but I can't find anything even close and it's going on 10 years now.
>
> I bought one for my dad and then my mom; they became weekend riders as a 
> result. I recommended one to a friend who became a daily bike commuter 
> using it. I recommended one to my wife's mom who bought one to replace a 
> 700c hybrid (that I had installed fenders on a few years earlier) and I 
> don't think she's ridden the old bike since. Finally, I found a used one 
> for my cousin who started college this fall and she loves it. 
>
> So if you fail to talk someone into a nicely-appointed Clem, this would be 
> my next suggestion. If the user wears it out or their tastes evolve, they 
> could upgrade to a Riv later, because by then they'll be sold on the 
> virtues of a practical bike!
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Various Parts - Sugino, Brand V, Rivet, etc.

[Kieran J]

Deore arms, XT hub and Trek headbadges now gone.
What remains:

   - MKS Sylan touring pedals. Good shape, bearings need some grease. $15.
   - Sugino Alpina 2 double crankset. 165mm, 110 BCD. Original fancy CNC'd 
   48/34 rings in excellent shape. $85.
   - Thomson Elite 1-1/8th threadless stem. 25.4mm clamp, 120mm extension, 
   +/-15 degrees. Excellent shape. $25.
   - Avid Shorty 6 canti brakes. Used shape but complete and working great. 
   $35.
   

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Re: [RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Whew! Glad it is normal!
Yes, sounds like the magnet parts passing each other.
Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Daniel,
This is my story! I decided that I wanted to ride a bike from my apartment 
to the T station ~April 2008. Public transport wasn't so reliable, and I 
wanted to sell my car. 

My friend recommended Breezer Uptown 8 without missing a beat, and I 
happened to see it at the LBS. To be honest, it was more than I wanted to 
spend, but it was ready "right off the rack". I got the U-frame and had a 
blast. 

After a few years, I figured out what worked, what didn't, and I gained a 
lot of confidence riding. I ventured off the MUP and started to feel 
not-so-awful riding on streets with traffic. Nearly all my riding was 
commuting and utility cycling. 

I stumbled onto Lovely Bike, which brought me to Riv. There's another 
thread about tinkering with different handlebar setups, and the journey. 
For me, it's been a journey. I wasn't ready for a Riv in 2008, and I 
wouldn't have spent the money on one. 

Another datum: my neighbor bike commutes and has done so for >5 years. He's 
looking to upgrade his Jamis bike, and asked me if I wouldn't mind telling 
him how much I paid for my Riv. He was pretty surprised, and I don't think 
he'll be spending the money on one.

Breezer Uptown is terrific b/c it's a great price point and has everything 
a commuter should have: dyno lights, rack, fenders. Handles fine/great(?). 
I can get people on bikes, and maybe a some will become enthusiasts... 
either way, the more people on bikes, the better.

Shoji
Arlington MA



On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:31:55 PM UTC-4, Daniel M wrote:
>
> So, this may be really poor form on a forum dedicated to a bike company we 
> all hold dear, but when I am asked to recommend a practical town bike, my 
> answer is always the same: Breezer Uptown 8. Upright riding position with 
> slightly swept bars, aluminum frame available in standard or low-step 
> versions, steel fork, 26" wheels with V-brakes and clearance for 2.0" 
> tires, rear rack and fenders, 8-speed Shimano internal gear hub with fully 
> enclosed chain case AND front dyno with lights. Still under $900 new. It 
> has nowhere near the grace of a Rivendell and not enough gear range to 
> tackle steep hills while loaded, but it is the perfect entry-level daily 
> "no excuses" bike as someone mentioned here. If there were another 
> brand/model with all of these features, I would mention it in the same 
> breath, but I can't find anything even close and it's going on 10 years now.
>
> I bought one for my dad and then my mom; they became weekend riders as a 
> result. I recommended one to a friend who became a daily bike commuter 
> using it. I recommended one to my wife's mom who bought one to replace a 
> 700c hybrid (that I had installed fenders on a few years earlier) and I 
> don't think she's ridden the old bike since. Finally, I found a used one 
> for my cousin who started college this fall and she loves it. 
>
> So if you fail to talk someone into a nicely-appointed Clem, this would be 
> my next suggestion. If the user wears it out or their tastes evolve, they 
> could upgrade to a Riv later, because by then they'll be sold on the 
> virtues of a practical bike!
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Brewster Fong]

Agree, one thing I've learn is you can't "force" bikes onto people. They 
have to figure it out for themselves. Now, if they are interested in your 
bike, then go for it. 

Once, I had just built up an old litespeed ti frameset that I got cheap. It 
had 25mm tires and fenders and a bunch of mix Campy/Shimano parts I had 
laying around - basically a mutt bike. But, it is a nice riding bike that I 
now use as my commuter. One day, my boss saw my bike and she said - Wow, I 
bet you spent $500 for your bikeI told her I spent a little more. She 
just looked at me and I could see her amazement that anyone would spend 
more, let alone $1.6Kin other words, people who don't ride have no idea 
what a bike costs or the difference between a $200 target bike or a $2000 
Rivendell.
\
Further, I agree that the rider may have crashed whether she had the disc 
brake bike or a Riv.  

Of course, YMMV! Good Luck!

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 12:48:23 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Sounds like a terrible idea,  don't be "that guy".  There are plenty of 
> good bikes out there besides riv.  Doesn't matter the bike, new riders are 
> going to crash sometimes...
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 12:10:38 PM UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>>
>>
>> In future if I hear about someone shopping for a bike, I'll be sure to 
>> insert myself firmly into the process (even if it will annoy them) and try 
>> harder make them get a Riv. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Daniel M]

So, this may be really poor form on a forum dedicated to a bike company we all 
hold dear, but when I am asked to recommend a practical town bike, my answer is 
always the same: Breezer Uptown 8. Upright riding position with slightly swept 
bars, aluminum frame available in standard or low-step versions, steel fork, 
26" wheels with V-brakes and clearance for 2.0" tires, rear rack and fenders, 
8-speed Shimano internal gear hub with fully enclosed chain case AND front dyno 
with lights. Still under $900 new. It has nowhere near the grace of a Rivendell 
and not enough gear range to tackle steep hills while loaded, but it is the 
perfect entry-level daily "no excuses" bike as someone mentioned here. If there 
were another brand/model with all of these features, I would mention it in the 
same breath, but I can't find anything even close and it's going on 10 years 
now.

I bought one for my dad and then my mom; they became weekend riders as a 
result. I recommended one to a friend who became a daily bike commuter using 
it. I recommended one to my wife's mom who bought one to replace a 700c hybrid 
(that I had installed fenders on a few years earlier) and I don't think she's 
ridden the old bike since. Finally, I found a used one for my cousin who 
started college this fall and she loves it. 

So if you fail to talk someone into a nicely-appointed Clem, this would be my 
next suggestion. If the user wears it out or their tastes evolve, they could 
upgrade to a Riv later, because by then they'll be sold on the virtues of a 
practical bike!

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Does your PB8 hub make noise?

[Reed Kennedy]

As previously mentioned, my SV-9 sounded like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5YBals43L8

Sent it back, and they confirmed it was defective.

My replacement non-defective SV-9 doesn't make any noise, nor do my SON
hubs.

(Very rarely I can feel a slight vibration through the bars, but it's
unobtrusive. I notice it on maybe 1 out of 5 brevets, and only briefly.)


Reed

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Sorry, Shutter Precision PV8 hub
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Re: [RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Tim Gavin]

I have two PD-8s that make almost the same noise.  It seems to dull over
time, but never goes away completely.

It's probably the sound of the dymano/magneto parts (wound stators?
whatever) going past each other.

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 11:06 AM Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> Normal
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:35 AM Lum Gim Fong 
> wrote:
>
>> New hub.
>> Cannot hear while riding (a little when stopping).
>> Only when spinning by hand.
>> Not as loud as video makes it sound.
>> Normal?
>>
>> Video here:  https://flic.kr/p/2cALVap
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Re: [RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Tim Gavin]

Normal

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:35 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> New hub.
> Cannot hear while riding (a little when stopping).
> Only when spinning by hand.
> Not as loud as video makes it sound.
> Normal?
>
> Video here:  https://flic.kr/p/2cALVap
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Atlantis in Chicago

[Karl]

$950 for complete bike. 

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[M G]

The designed with input from Grant Peterson  'Brooklyn Bicycles" are 
excellent commuters.  

I added a cheap dyno hub, and my son had a double top tubed, shallow 
angled, 3 speed, which is one of the nicest commuters i've ridden on (when 
we had a hiatus in a flat city).  And now that we've moved back to Western 
Mass, I like riding it for short jaunts into town (less than 12 miles r/t).

And it can haul a ton.

And yeah, it's a drag to be asked all the time about this or that bike 
thing, and then peoples come back with X or Y

"Yeah, i heard what you said, but the bike shop guy said this  short 
wheelbased under geared for hilly Western Mass, skinny tired bikes no good 
for dirt roads, bike is the only way i could keep up.  Keep what up? keep 
up with whom?





On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> A new coworker who's also new to bikes, was going to get one for his 
> commute.  I commute to work on bike sometimes and may have talked about 
> bikes/biking in happy hours.  Maybe because of that he came to me one day 
> to consult what bike to buy.  I gave my *opinion* about what would make a 
> good commute bike: wider tires, rim brakes, cromo frame/fork, upright 
> riding, ability to carry some stuff, etc.   I gave him an intro to 
> Rivendell as well.  Offered to lend my Joe A for a fews days if he wanted 
> to get a better idea what I was talking about.
>
> Like most folks who are new to the world bikes would be, he wasn't sold 
> the need to spend  $1.6k (a Clem) on a bicycle for his short 2 mile 
> commute.  He ended up buying a bike that cost him 1/3rd of that.  It came 
> with disc brakes.
>
> Quite sadly, he had a bizarre crash couple of weeks ago.  Needed a surgery 
> to fix his wrist, get stitches on his face and so forth.  He now has a 
> steel rod in his forearm.   Here's what happened apparently: he was 
> peddling back from an event in his neighborhood on a Saturday afternoon. 
>  He encountered a patch of potholes along the bike lane.  He's not sure 
> what exactly occurred next, but all of the sudden he went over the 
> handlebars and landed on his chin :(  
>
> I've been wondering how in the world a bike can simply flip at slow 
> speeds.  That too, on a flat road.  I'm beginning to think the combo of 
> disc brake and short wheelbase might have something to do.  In my limited 
> experience with discs, my impression is that they can be much sharper 
> relative to rim brakes.   They are perhaps less forgiving on someone not 
> experienced in biking.  Someone who does not have a feel for how much to 
> sqeeze the front brake vs the rear.  Once the front wheel is locked, an SWB 
> is more likely to flip over than, let's say, an Appa or Clem, I'm thinking.
>
> In 2016, a cousine of mine had similar accident while riding with his 
> friends on a flat trail.  Both his wrists were shattered.  It took him 
> nearly 5 months to recover and return to work. (majority of the time he was 
> dependent on his wife to shower, wear cloths, etc etc.)
>
> I’ve always appreciated LWB of my Appa and MIT Atlantis from comfort 
> standpoint.  Now on I’m also be thanking them for being safer by design.
>
> In future if I hear about someone shopping for a bike, I'll be sure to 
> insert myself firmly into the process (even if it will annoy them) and try 
> harder make them get a Riv.  Sometimes it is a delicate task.  I have to 
> make sure I don't make them think bikes are unsafe except Rivendells.  *A* 
> bike is better than no bike.
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[RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Lum Gim Fong]

New hub.
Cannot hear while riding (a little when stopping).
Only when spinning by hand.
Not as loud as video makes it sound.
Normal?

Video here:  https://flic.kr/p/2cALVap

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[RBW] Does your PB8 hub make noise?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Sorry, Shutter Precision PV8 hub

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[RBW] Does your PB8 hub make noise?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Cant hear it while riding but heard when spinning by hand. Wondering if normal. 
Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Arthur Mayfield]

I've done quite a few rebuild/conversions of 80s-early 90s era mtn bikes 
(before the term "hardtail" was in common usage) to city/commuters, often 
with solid, dependable 36 spoke 650b wheels and rim brakes, comfy 
street/gravel tires, Brooks B67/68 saddles, upright bars, etc. Usually I 
convert them to 1x7/8/9 at the same time, friction shifted, racks, and 
fenders. Buyers and giftees have all commented on how secure and 
comfortable they feel with the riding position, as well as how much better 
they can see traffic and their surroundings. Too many bikes are designed 
and equipped as low-quality wannabe on or off road competition machines, 
which is a waste of money better spent on the right mix of geometry and 
components for the average rider headed out for a pleasant, low speed ride 
around town or to the market. The same type bike makes for a great commuter 
for those who don't want to challenge vehicles 100 times their mass to the 
right of way at breakneck speeds over potholed streets. In other words, 
most new riders or adults who haven't ridden in many years. Would a Riv be 
a great choice for this type of riding? Of course, but rarely can 
new/casual riders swallow the price of admission, even if they can easily 
afford it.


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[RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Atlantis in Chicago

[Max Bergen]

I tried looking at the post but it was deleted. How much was the seller asking? 

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Re: [RBW] 650B conversion for my Road Standard?

[Patrick Moore]

Keith: Someone had this to say this morning after using Compass 28 mm tires
for the first time:



*With four rides in now of varying lengths on all sorts of pavement I can
confirm what I knew within one minute on these tires: they are the most
plush and comfortable tires I’ve ever been on. The effect was more profound
than any saddle or cockpit change I’ve ever made and revolutioned a bike I
already love to ride. I felt dialed in.Amazingly, they have as much comfort
and shock absorption as my old 650bx42 Gran Bois Hetres. I am averaging
2mph faster than I was on the same routes with the same cadences using
700x28 Pasela Protites.*

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr 52cm H - First preorder batch

[Zed Martinez]

OK, this is still available.

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Surlyprof]

I did talk my wife into a Public mixte with Nexus hub.  She loves it and the 
bright orange bike with match racks makes the neighbors smile when she rides 
it.  What I have found is that the cheaper parts are a bit more difficult to 
adjust and keep adjusted.  I’ll probably upgrade the brakes when she’s not 
looking.  The Nexus hub is the part I have to adjust the most.  They tend to 
miss shift as the cables stretch.  Easy adjustment, but required pretty often.

John

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[RBW] Re: About a crash a Riv could have prevented

[Tom Wyland]

I'm a bicycle advocate here in the suburbs outside Washington DC. I field 
questions about bike commuting all of the time. I'm always pointing folks 
toward more stable bikes with fatter tires. Most of the local bike shops 
are on board with this idea as well and stock bikes that are more useful. 
At most LBSs I still get looks like I'm an alien for my 40c tires, fenders, 
generator lights and luggage. 

I know personally I've hit patches of ice on my Dutch bike that would have 
made me crash on more sporting bikes. I once heard an REI employee tell a 
customer, "Oh, you want to ride 6 miles to work? You need a road bike like 
this one... " while pointing at something at home in a pace line. Not good 
advice.

In my opinion there are two things newer commuters need from a commuting 
bike:
1) *Eliminating excuses* - Fenders, lights, racks or baskets, lockability.  
Excuses eliminated: Oh, it rained last night and I don't want to get my 
clothes dirty. I have to take brownies to work, I can't carry them on a 
bike! It's getting dark earlier and my lights aren't working/charged. Oh, 
my bike will be locked up at the Metro station, someone will steal it.
2) *Easy maintenance* - Basic shifting (1x8, 1x9., IGH or single speed), 
fatter tires to prevent flats and can be pumped up 1x week, decent brakes 
that won't squeal or shudder after a week



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