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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Lum Gim Fong

These?
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/thinny-riding-gloves-fake-leather-grey

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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread Lum Gim Fong

Yes, keeping the extremities would be worth the investment!

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Re: [RBW] Wee Winter’s Ride

2018-11-12 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Patrick,

Thank you for sharing.  Your last photo sums everything up nicely:  Sheer
delight.

Curtis

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 2:20 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> This one’s for you, Curtis! Grin.
>
> In which we drop below zero˚F but delight in having the duds to sit amidst
> the aspen and pine with a pipe and a coffee. Not bad for November 12. Grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/six-inches-of-fresh-powder-and-a-brisk-day
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59-61 Roadeo

2018-11-12 Thread Dave Grossman

Thought I had found one but haven't heard back in a bit.  Looking 
exclusively for a 61cm Roadeo at this point.

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:33:50 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I have not yet.  I dropped you a PM though.
>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Medium saddle sack vs bagboy

2018-11-12 Thread Kainalu V.

The medium seems not quite twice the size of the bagboy, but close. I have a 
kangaroo pouch from my medium I put on the bagboy, it's an essential addition 
to the bagboy, sometimes I leave it off the medium as it's got the side 
pockets. Both great bags, I do like the single strap closure on the bagboy. 
Might be worthwhile waiting to see the new medium bag that'll be hitting the 
shelves soon, the happibag I think?
-Kai
BKNY 

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[RBW] Medium saddle sack vs bagboy

2018-11-12 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Both are on Rivbike.com, and the descriptions and photos largely answer your 
questions. https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags

I just looked at the medium vs. the Bagabond as I need a new saddlebag for my 
Hunqapillar. I went with the Bagabond for its larger capacity but similar 
footprint, so I still have room for tent, sleeping bag, and pad on the rack 
behind it. Obvious differences for you include no kangaroo pouch or side 
pockets with the bagboy.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread Adam in Indiana

Well, my HTML bold brackets didn't work out, but you all get what I was trying 
to emphasize...



On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:46:12 PM UTC-5, Adam in Indiana wrote:
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 6:18:08 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> I do add single sock as extra warmth and wind block cod piece at 15˚F 
> and below.
> 
> 
> For the win, right there.  That line made me laugh out loud, while 
> simultaneously thinking of all the rides something like that would have been 
> much appreciated.

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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread Adam in Indiana

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 6:18:08 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I do add single sock as extra warmth and wind block cod piece at 15˚F 
and below.


For the win, right there.  That line made me laugh out loud, while 
simultaneously thinking of all the rides something like that would have been 
much appreciated.


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[RBW] Medium saddle sack vs bagboy

2018-11-12 Thread Palmer

Hi all,
Looking at a very nice used local Medium saddle sack for a similar price to a 
new bagboy. Medium saddle sack looks bigger, but how much? Any significant 
differences in build or usefulness?
Thanks!
Tom Palmer

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[RBW] Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread 'Eli Cochran' via RBW Owners Bunch

Another vote for the MUSA searsucker shirt. I wore two grey striped shirts and 
one plaid shirt until they fell apart. 

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[RBW] Wee Winter’s Ride

2018-11-12 Thread PaulS

Fantastic

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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

You’re a wee bit low, actually, Lum. Like with bikes, you can waste a lot of 
money on inferior and “standard” fare or you can buy the good stuff and let it 
work and last and be warm and cozy along the way. Oh, and count all ten piggies 
and fingers whilst sipping whisky in front of the fire when you get home. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] My 58 Joe for your 61 Atlantis?

2018-11-12 Thread Edwin W

61 Atlantis owners,

I like my Joe just fine!
But if I could swap it out for an Atlantis, I would.

Do you have one top tube, but would like two? My Joe has two!
Do you have typical chain stays and would like longer? My Joe has long 
chain stays!
Do you like mustard color better than the Atlantis green?
I think those are the main differences... minor, I know.

Here is mine 
. 
I can send more pics if you are interested.

Frame for a frame would be simplest.

Edwin 
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread Edwin W

Stormy Kromer has a pretty good 
one https://www.stormykromer.com/the-original-stormy-kromer-cap/
It is has a few features:

   1. Not a huge brim, but bigger than a cycling cap
   2. Has a little nifty way of lowering some material down over your ears, 
   and off your ears when you don't need it.
   3. Comes in orange!

I got one size too small so that it would not blow off, hoping it would 
stretch a bit and it hasn't yet!

Doesn't get below 30 degrees F here in Nashville much,

Edwin


On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-6, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Want to know what is good at windstopping while biking in winter in 
> hats/caps (no helmet coverage over hat).
> Also has to be good for drops riding (small brim/no brim hats).
>
> I have a couple really nice wool cycling caps but the breeze goes right 
> thru.
>
> What works for you?
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Note: No need to discuss helmet wearing. We all know the arguments and 
> make our own decisions. Just want to know what hats are good at wind 
> blocking. Thanks so much!
>

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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread Lum Gim Fong

Wow! Nice threads. But too expensive for me. I bet it would run 750$ to 
gown up like this for a ride.

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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread Lum Gim Fong

I live in Maryland and told my wife if we ever move, the new house must be 
somewhere south of where our home is now. The closer to the equator the 
better... Hawaii will work, too.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread Lum Gim Fong

I asked them a few weeks ago. They said the *new iteration of this hat will 
NOT include ear flaps*. Disappointing as I was planning on this one for 
this winter...

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:39:00 PM UTC-5, The Snag wrote:
>
> I am patiently waiting for Randi Jo Fabrications to release their new 
> round of waxed canvas flip-up caps, they look fantastic! Smallish brim and 
> extra thick ribbed wool earflaps. They look perfect for cold rides, and in 
> my case I'm also interested in blocking the noise from our consistent 
> afternoon summer winds. 
>
>
> Haakon, from the land of cheese, trees, and ocean breeze
>

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[RBW] Wee Winter’s Ride

2018-11-12 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

This one’s for you, Curtis! Grin.

In which we drop below zero˚F but delight in having the duds to sit amidst the 
aspen and pine with a pipe and a coffee. Not bad for November 12. Grin.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/six-inches-of-fresh-powder-and-a-brisk-day

With abandon,
Patrick

www.CredoFamily.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] FS: (SimpleOne Fork + extras) Rivvy Front-end Upgrade Kit - $150 plus shipping.

2018-11-12 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne

It's time for me to accept the fact that I need cash more than I need the 
spare parts left over from a well intentioned but ill fated overhaul.  I've 
debated various alternate uses for the fork but haven't been able to bring 
myself to hastily cut the steerer or attempt some other hacks necessary to 
make it work with my other available frames... especially since my 
remaining spare frames are too small for my own use and would essentially 
be built up to sit around as potential loaners and space it too limited 
right now anyway.

NOS SimpleOne fork - 1" threaded - 238mm length steerer - canti/v-brake 
post - 700c - never used... had a mini front rack and wheel installed as a 
dry fit only
NIB Shimano CX50 brakes - one wheel's worth
NIB Tange Levin CDS headset - 26.4 

$195 total value.
I'm asking $150 plus actual shipping for all the above.
Paypal.

I bought the fork direct from Riv along with a mini front rack while they 
were available shortly before they were pulled from the site for the Rosco 
project.  My intended frame had a headtube just under 200mm with a stock 
fork that matched the 238mm steerer.  I hoped to turn my old road bike into 
a more versatile all-rounder but the frame failed me before I ever got 
around the overhaul and full front end upgrade.

Wondering if anyone here has a use for these to help fund some of my other 
more imminent projects (and to stop me from cutting the threads for a 1" 
threadless conversion on a too small and lesser quality frame.)

Pics available upon request.  I think I have pics of the fork saved but 
need to take some of the extras.

Thanks,
Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ 


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[RBW] Re: FS/T: Some special jerseys and other wool (larger / taller)

2018-11-12 Thread Karl

Always wanted a Yazoo as I am in Nashville... Need to go measure and see if 
this would work.

Karl 
Nashville (Yazoo on!) TN

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 12:58:06 PM UTC-6, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> My shape has changed, and some lovely wool must go. Pictures here:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WhfFVMVwqnC4bs4z9
>
> All have been washed only with wool safe detergent, laid flat to dry, and 
> treated with the utmost care. All are in great shape, with any 
> peculiarities described below.
> Buy one and shipping is $8. Buy two or more and shipping is on me.
>
> #1: *Rivendell* green and red short sleeved jersey
>
>- Marked XXXL, measurements in photos.
>- Made by Woolistic, bought on discount from Rivendell many moons ago. 
>The tag was cut off before I bought it, I could never figure out why. The 
>"Rivendell" embroidery is amazing.
>- This is my favorite jersey. It has been worn a good few times, but 
>was always treated with great care. It is in wonderful shape. There is 
> only 
>one tiny repair, where a thread broke at the bottom of the center pocket. 
>This was done by my mum, who cares as much as about sewing as we do about 
>bicycles. 
>- As pictured in one of the official Eroica CA photos: 
>https://photos.app.goo.gl/6NG5n1mfK596DJtg6
>- I would much prefer to *trade* this for an XL Rivendell jersey or 
>other interesting jersey.
>
>
> #2: *iBOB* green and white short sleeved jersey
>
>- Marked XXL, measurements in photos.
>- Made by Portland Cyclewear.
>- A lovely jersey that never fit right. I don't think I've worn it. No 
>repairs that I can see.
>- $80, or trade for another interesting jersey that's a bit smaller.
>
> #3: *Yazoo *black / red / white jersey
>
>- Marked XL, measurements in photos.
>- Made by Earth, Wind, and Rider in China.
>- No rear pockets!
>- This is probably the nicest feeling wool of any jersey I own. It is 
>just luxurious! I don't usually buy made in China garments, but I made an 
>exception for this one. It is just so nice. No repairs that I can see.
>- $50 or trade.
>
> #4: Le Roc "*Team 5 Sport*" vintage jersey in blue and white
>
>- Marked size 4-5, measurements in photos. Much smaller than the 
>others here!
>- Lovely vintage jersey that appears unworn.
>- Letters on front are raised flocking.
>- $50 or trade.
>
> #5: *Ibex* 1/2 length wool shorts / knickers / tights
>
>- Marked size Large, length measurement in photos, waste is super 
>stretchy (I have worn them when I was wearing size 32 jeans and when I 
> have 
>worn size 38 jeans.)
>- Original MUSA Ibex from when they had the nice multi-material pad 
>and embroidered logo.
>- Ibex shorts (especially these older versions) are my very favorites. 
>These still fit great but I've come to prefer the shortest and longest 
>ones. I think I only wore these medium-length ones once. Still next-to-new.
>- $65 or trade.
>
> Preference given to good trades, folks who can pick up in San Francisco or 
> folks who want multiple items. 
>
> For trades things I'm looking for are interesting wool jerseys that fit, 
> knickers, Campagnolo Doppler shifters, limited edition Brooks saddles, new 
> production Ideale saddles, Dromarti shoes in size 47 or 48, Huret Duopar 
> rear derailleur, Compass bits, old French frame pumps with the little hose, 
> or other fancy, classic, interesting Rivish things.
>
>
> Best,
> Reed Kennedy
> San Francisco, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dirt drop setup, brake/shifter bits

2018-11-12 Thread Drw

everything is gone excluding the tubus cargo

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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

For me, a primary issue is breathability while still blocking wind, and this 
goes especially for the head as cold and clammy headwear is the fastest way to 
get cold in winter conditions. Thus the basic hat system I described in the 
fishnet longjohn thread. Waltz wool cycling cap, boiled wool hat (2 or 4-ply, 
depending on conditions), ventile hood as required (generally only if raining 
or below zero. 4-ply boiled wool blocks a lot of wind. Grin. This hat system 
works for all temps and conditions, summer and winter.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread Garth

  Yes !  Balaclavas are my favorite winter headwear. I have thin ones, 
thick vintage Patagonia Powerstretch ones and this wondrous super thick 
Wind Pro X-Treme Hood from Serius that I wear out walking when it's near 
zero outside or I want some instant heat indoors on a cold day.  Encircling 
the whole head sans face rather than just a hat does wonders. Even the a 
thin balaclava worn under any cap works . 

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-5, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> I find a balaclava under my hat keeps me much warmer I am using the minus 
> 33 balaclava these days. Steve
>
>

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[RBW] FS/T: Some special jerseys and other wool (larger / taller)

2018-11-12 Thread Reed Kennedy

My shape has changed, and some lovely wool must go. Pictures here:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WhfFVMVwqnC4bs4z9

All have been washed only with wool safe detergent, laid flat to dry, and
treated with the utmost care. All are in great shape, with any
peculiarities described below.
Buy one and shipping is $8. Buy two or more and shipping is on me.

#1: *Rivendell* green and red short sleeved jersey

   - Marked XXXL, measurements in photos.
   - Made by Woolistic, bought on discount from Rivendell many moons ago.
   The tag was cut off before I bought it, I could never figure out why. The
   "Rivendell" embroidery is amazing.
   - This is my favorite jersey. It has been worn a good few times, but was
   always treated with great care. It is in wonderful shape. There is only one
   tiny repair, where a thread broke at the bottom of the center pocket. This
   was done by my mum, who cares as much as about sewing as we do about
   bicycles.
   - As pictured in one of the official Eroica CA photos:
   https://photos.app.goo.gl/6NG5n1mfK596DJtg6
   - I would much prefer to *trade* this for an XL Rivendell jersey or
   other interesting jersey.


#2: *iBOB* green and white short sleeved jersey

   - Marked XXL, measurements in photos.
   - Made by Portland Cyclewear.
   - A lovely jersey that never fit right. I don't think I've worn it. No
   repairs that I can see.
   - $80, or trade for another interesting jersey that's a bit smaller.

#3: *Yazoo *black / red / white jersey

   - Marked XL, measurements in photos.
   - Made by Earth, Wind, and Rider in China.
   - No rear pockets!
   - This is probably the nicest feeling wool of any jersey I own. It is
   just luxurious! I don't usually buy made in China garments, but I made an
   exception for this one. It is just so nice. No repairs that I can see.
   - $50 or trade.

#4: Le Roc "*Team 5 Sport*" vintage jersey in blue and white

   - Marked size 4-5, measurements in photos. Much smaller than the others
   here!
   - Lovely vintage jersey that appears unworn.
   - Letters on front are raised flocking.
   - $50 or trade.

#5: *Ibex* 1/2 length wool shorts / knickers / tights

   - Marked size Large, length measurement in photos, waste is super
   stretchy (I have worn them when I was wearing size 32 jeans and when I have
   worn size 38 jeans.)
   - Original MUSA Ibex from when they had the nice multi-material pad and
   embroidered logo.
   - Ibex shorts (especially these older versions) are my very favorites.
   These still fit great but I've come to prefer the shortest and longest
   ones. I think I only wore these medium-length ones once. Still next-to-new.
   - $65 or trade.

Preference given to good trades, folks who can pick up in San Francisco or
folks who want multiple items.

For trades things I'm looking for are interesting wool jerseys that fit,
knickers, Campagnolo Doppler shifters, limited edition Brooks saddles, new
production Ideale saddles, Dromarti shoes in size 47 or 48, Huret Duopar
rear derailleur, Compass bits, old French frame pumps with the little hose,
or other fancy, classic, interesting Rivish things.


Best,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread The Snag


>
> When I heard fishnet longjohns I had a terrible momentary vision of a 
> bearded man in fishnet stocking appearing out of the snowy forest on a 
> bike. 5˚F?? Patrick must be the most hardcore rider on the list, if I were 
> him I'd be looking to move somewhere warmer. Grin.
>

-Haakon 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread The Snag

I am patiently waiting for Randi Jo Fabrications to release their new round 
of waxed canvas flip-up caps, they look fantastic! Smallish brim and extra 
thick ribbed wool earflaps. They look perfect for cold rides, and in my 
case I'm also interested in blocking the noise from our consistent 
afternoon summer winds. 


Haakon, from the land of cheese, trees, and ocean breeze

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread Steven Sweedler

I find a balaclava under my hat keeps me much warmer I am using the minus
33 balaclava these days. Steve

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM Garth  wrote:

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>
> Any hat made from Polartec Wind Pro specifically. It's a denser weave than
> regular fleece, sticking to me a "just right" balance . The marketing claim
> says 4x the wind resistance compared to regular Polartec (100, 200 etc.).
> Forget Windstopper or anything with a barrier/laminate as it's sweaty and
> inhibits hearing.
>
> Even layering a thin hat over a thin balaclava works really well , 2 thin
> layers rather than one thicker layer.
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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Matt B.

Another one for the Half Mitts, the sherpa lined ones. Best 'bicycle' 
clothing I've ever had, especially for the price.


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> May be the only one but... MUSA Mitts!! Anyone got a NOS pair gathering 
> dust PM me. My trust much-loved pair is wearing thin!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Joe Bernard

Yes! I like those thinny gloves, too, and mine are near trashed. 

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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread The Snag

Baggins Hobo bag. Big fan. And the recent blue salmon shirt in Large.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Curtis McKenzie

The thinny pad less gloves.  Have been looking elsewhere to mo avail.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 9:09 AM sameness  The light grey nylon saddle cover.
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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread sameness

The light grey nylon saddle cover.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread Garth



Any hat made from Polartec Wind Pro specifically. It's a denser weave than 
regular fleece, sticking to me a "just right" balance . The marketing claim 
says 4x the wind resistance compared to regular Polartec (100, 200 etc.). 
Forget Windstopper or anything with a barrier/laminate as it's sweaty and 
inhibits hearing. 

Even layering a thin hat over a thin balaclava works really well , 2 thin 
layers rather than one thicker layer. 
  


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[RBW] Re: ISO: 61cm Atlantis

2018-11-12 Thread DarinM

Thanks Dave, a few users have sent me this one now. Looking into it now. If 
anyone has another to offer, please let me know.

Darin

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-8, Dave Grossman wrote:
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> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=230409
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[RBW] Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Richard Rios

Paper copies of new Rivendell Readers.I really love the old ones and take them 
out for a read occasionally. Seems like I discover some new old thing with each 
re-read.

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 61cm Atlantis

2018-11-12 Thread Dave Grossman

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=230409


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Re: [RBW] Winter wool baselayer rec needed

2018-11-12 Thread EasyRider

Brynnar, yes, I've been wearing the Costco stuff for several years and I 
think it's hard to beat for the price. The tops are 1/4 zip synthetics with 
a small percentage of merino in them for comfort. The tops are branded 
"Paradox". I was at an REI yesterday and determined they are about a 150 
weight. The bottoms I use are branded "32 degree heat" tights, no fly, and 
are shockingly warm for their weight. I wear them over breathable synthetic 
boxer briefs and under shorts or knickers.

The shirts are starting to wear out, so that is why I started the thread, 
to see what I might do instead of buying more of the same. I'm pretty sold 
on using long leg boxer briefs and cheapo tights, but I'm going to give the 
Wiggys fishnet shirt and liner jacket suggestions a try. 

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>
> Is the the Costco brand? I bought a couple tops and bottoms at Costco last 
> year, part wool part poly, and they are great and cheap! Like 20% the cost 
> of smartwool. And work just as well IMO. I haven't checked what they are 
> carrying this year but I'll be on the lookout.
>
> brynnar
> indy
>
> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 8:41:33 AM UTC-5, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>> Since the demise of Ibex and especially their fall sale, I have been 
>> enjoying   -33   as long as you like the color black, their long underwear 
>> bottoms are excellent, cycled in them yesterday.   Steve
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:38 AM EasyRider  wrote:
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>>> Thanks all. It sounds like the 150 weight might be what I want.
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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

2018-11-12 Thread Patrick Moore

Please report on the Albastaches. (And what problems did the original
moustache bar cause you?)

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 5:37 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> I had the original mustache bars on a commuter with barend shifters.
> I really liked that combo for riding in traffic. Braking was super strong
> and quickly accessible and shifting required almost no loss of
> attentiveness.
> Great attributes for riding in traffic.
> I have a pair of Albastache bars I’ll be trying soon.
> The new shape addresses the issues I had with the originals that prevented
> me from liking them on rides of 50 miles or more.
>
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Re: [RBW] Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Patrick Moore

+ 1 for the vest. I have the button-up, crew neck sweater cousin, but a
thickish wool vest to wear over a jersey and under a jacket would be more
useful.

Does anyone have recommendations for a snug-fitting, crew or roll-top,
zip/button/no placket, warm-weight (ie, not dress weight) knitted wool
vest?

+ 1 also for the LS wool jerseys.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:39 AM Ginz  wrote:

> It’s a good thread even after six years. I always regret not getting a
> derby tweed vest. I thought I read about a revival not too long ago. Given
> fall is upon us, my guess is not this year.
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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread Patrick Moore

My principal liability in cold is my ears. Years ago I found a couple of
nice faux Peruvian hats at Target for less than $20 each, one wool the
other decent quality synthetic fleece. The look dorky but they do keep the
ears warm when temps go below freezing. Down to about freezing, depending
on wind, I prefer my wool cycling caps with ear flaps because of the brim.
Lastly, very cold and windy, a balaclava under some sort of cap with
earflaps. I do have a good head of hair, the Peruvian caps in particular
are very effective.

I've tried all sorts of toques but they keep riding up over my ears when I
bend over the bar.

Patrick Moore, who may soon have to pull out the Peruvian caps in wintry
ABQ, NM.

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> Want to know what is good at windstopping while biking in winter in
> hats/caps (no helmet coverage over hat).
> Also has to be good for drops riding (small brim/no brim hats).
>
> I have a couple really nice wool cycling caps but the breeze goes right
> thru.
>
> What works for you?
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Note: No need to discuss helmet wearing. We all know the arguments and
> make our own decisions. Just want to know what hats are good at wind
> blocking. Thanks so much!
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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread Lum Gim Fong

Thanks for this info, Patrick!




On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 6:18:08 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> With some interest in this system, this thread is to summarize the system 
> and be a common place to ask about it. Why fishnet baselayer? Simple. 
> moisture management. Fishnet longjohns minimize the moisture at the skin, 
> keeping me warm and toasty when I’d otherwise be cold and clammy.
>
> I use a wool fishnet longjohn top base layer. With it, I then can insulate 
> with any fabric, including cotton flanel. It’s highly effective at moisture 
> management and that is key to staying warm when aerobic activity is 
> involved, especially when stops happen and you cool down. You can test the 
> system with Wiggy’s for $38 (not skin friendly nylon, but his video also 
> explains why fishnet baselayer is superior) 
> https://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/, or the 
> wool version is Brynje https://www.brynjeusa.com. 
>
> I just got back from a 3.5 hour ride, including an hour plus coffee and 
> pipe at the top, with temps 15˚F down low and about 5˚F up top, with 1,300 
> feet climbing in 8 miles. Which is to say if I’m dressed to be warm, I’m 
> sweating and I want moisture to easily escape. With this system, it does. 
> My ventile jacket stayed in reserve, and I put my boiled wool sweater on 
> for the time at the top and the ride home. It snowed about 6” total from 
> start of the ride to returning home. Warm and cozy the whole ride, and 
> stop, and inner layers were dry when I took them off at home (I had to 
> shake the crusted snow off my hat and sweater.). 
>
> Lum then asked a few things.
>
> “What between the fishnet and sweater?”
> Any insulative layer. I tested this in the extreme early on, putting on a 
> soaking wet heavy cotton flanel (Duluth burly flannel I’d just taken ouf 
> the the washer, which doesn’t spin dry welll) and my Ventile jackt and then 
> riding for an hour at -10˚F. I stayed “not cold”, so long as I was moving 
> (didn’t test stopping). Parts of the sleeves were frozen stiff when I got 
> home, but I was fine. My usual:
> Standard weight cotton flannel: 50˚F down to about 25˚F when climbing 
> (toasty at 50 when climbing, but I just unbutton the shirt a bit and it 
> ventilates well)
> Heavy weight cotton flannel: 25˚F to 10˚F when climbing
> 2 weights of sweater: normal (like Riv’s sweaters), and boiled wool (like 
> wearing 4 regular sweaters, but far better. Blocks a lot of wind. I’ve 
> ridden down hill into headwinds at 0˚F.). I will add at the top for 
> cofee/pipe/writing as needed, starting at 50˚F and cloudy.
>
> “How do you keep wind from penetrating layers?”
> Add canvas vest, sweater, or ventile jacket for wind blocking/heat 
> retention as needed. Below 20˚F, this wind layer can be a regular canvas, 
> as all “moisture” is dry snow. However, Ventile does a great job no matter 
> the temperature, so is what I use.
>
> “What about pants layers and sox?”
> Tweed breeks from https://www.spencers-trousers.com. So far I’ve not 
> added anything under or over and only plan on adding fishnet longjohns if 
> needed, below ˚F. I do add single sock as extra warmth and wind block cod 
> piece at 15˚F and below.
> Socks: Boiled wool extra heavy 3-ply over the knee sock (folded to be 
> under the knee), requires sizing shoe up 2 sizes. I add a second pair 4-ply 
> ankle sock at 15˚F, good down to zero. Below that, I shift to Sorel Caribou 
> boots with 1-2 pair boiled wool socks.
> I add ventile gaters, to just below the knee, for a wind barrier as 
> needed, but for warmth due to heat retention starting below 20˚F.
>
> Mittens: 3 ply boiled wool glomitt down to 20˚F. Add a 4-ply boiled wool 
> mitt below that, and an Empire Canvas chopper mitt as needed for wind 
> block/heat retention.
> Wool scarf, blocks wind into shirt and keeps neck warm starting around 
> freezing.
> Hat: Walts wool cycling cap to about 25˚F. Add 2-ply down to 10˚F, 4-ply 
> below that and/or at stops at the top, for descents. Ventile hood if 
> windblock needed, but that doesn’t happen until below zero as the 4-ply 
> blocks wind very well and is 2 or three layers thick around the 
> ears/headband area.
>
> The key before fishnet was to wear enough layers to absorb sweat, then 
> change to dry base layers if stopped, or just don’t stop. Since fishnet, 
> the key is to manage moisture, and when things get wet it’s not a big deal 
> because I’ll stay warm even when I stop, and at an extended stop just add 
> more insulative layers and wind block as needed. It allows me to do 
> extended stops at all temperatures, which has opened up my riding.
>
> Boiled wool: 
> https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear-boiled-wool-sweaters-mitts-socks-caps-gloves/.
>  
> Rick is great to work with. A note on the boiled wool hats: I’ve added a 
> chin tie to keep them on. People with smaller heads may not have this 
> issue. Basically a leather shoe lace inside the back

[RBW] ISO: 61cm Atlantis

2018-11-12 Thread DarinM

Looking to replacement my much too small 56. Ideally looking for frame/fork 
only but am potentially open to other possibilities. Anyone looking to move 
theirs on?

Darin

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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

2018-11-12 Thread Lum Gim Fong

Want to know what is good at windstopping while biking in winter in 
hats/caps (no helmet coverage over hat).
Also has to be good for drops riding (small brim/no brim hats).

I have a couple really nice wool cycling caps but the breeze goes right 
thru.

What works for you?
Thanks for the info.

Note: No need to discuss helmet wearing. We all know the arguments and make 
our own decisions. Just want to know what hats are good at wind blocking. 
Thanks so much!

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[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed

2018-11-12 Thread Cody Bartz

150 weight sounds a bit light for your temperatures, however if you have a 
full windbreaker and keep active it may be fine. I would guess 200 - 250 
weight would possibly be a good weight for you. Quarter zip with a collar 
is a great combination, as unzipped with the neck rolled back lets a lot of 
air in, and zipped up with the collar up goes pretty far up the neck. I 
have experience with wool products from Ibex, Icebreaker, Patagonia, and 
Smartwool - all work well. The thinner weights do seem to wear out more 
quickly.  

- Cody

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[RBW] Re: FS Grey Medium Sackville Shopsack

2018-11-12 Thread David Wadstrup

Bag has sold.  Thanks everyone.

On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 1:17:32 PM UTC-5, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
>
> I'm reluctant to sell this as they’re no longer available and I might 
> regret it some day, but I have a Grey Medium Sackville Shopsack that I 
> haven’t used in over a year.  I used it pretty lightly for a not too long 
> period of time before buying another in Riv’s new grey grid fabric.  Which 
> is also no longer available, it seems.  An excellent bag for a medium or 
> large sized Wald basket.  Asking $50 plus $10 shipping.
>
>
> Thank you.
>

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[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed

2018-11-12 Thread Paul Clifton

I've got several tops and bottoms from ioMerino: 
https://iomerino.com/collections/base-layers
The 170 weight Altitude base layer feels in between light and medium and 
works perfectly with a button up shirt and/or thicker sweater over it for 
all the riding I do around the southeast - so down to about 20 degrees F. I 
really like everything I've bought from this place. Good design, good 
quality, pretty good prices. They have good sales a couple times a year.

Paul in ATL

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 7:46:18 PM UTC-5, EasyRider wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a half or quarter zip merino pullover and could use some 
> recs, especially with regard to weight/warmth.
>
> For the past several winters daily commutes (15 miles round trip, most 
> days the temp is with 10 degrees of freezing) I've been wearing a very 
> light poly-merino blend pullovers, a cheapo poly half zip pullover over 
> that (a general all purpose "jogging" and whatnot), and a vest or 
> windbreaker over that. That's about right warmth for these parts. But all 
> those poly baselayers means a lot of laundry because it picks up a stink, 
> and quick. I'd like to get one high quality merino baselayer and wash once 
> a week. But, I'm uncertain what the right weight to get is.
>
> I THINK I want something "midweight" but I'm not sure what that means in 
> terms of spec or labeling to look for. I want something I could wear alone 
> under a fleece vest most days, and maybe add a packable windbreaker over 
> top, or a softshell jacket on very cold days. The other requirement is a 
> zip up collar, not a crew neck.
>
> I checked Riv for options and didn't see any, so what would you recommend?
>
> Pete
> Arlington, VA
>
>

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[RBW] Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Matt Beecher

I would like to buy a few Rivendell branded wool jerseys, now that I can afford 
them. 

I’m glad they seemed to listen to the group and order more coffee mugs last 
year. I bought 3. 

The patches and baseball caps are fun too. 

Matt B
Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Ginz

It’s a good thread even after six years. I always regret not getting a derby 
tweed vest. I thought I read about a revival not too long ago. Given fall is 
upon us, my guess is not this year. 

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[RBW] Re: wheel build suggestions

2018-11-12 Thread 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch

The Velo Orange Grand Cru Touring Hub is still available in the 10-speed 
version for $120 on their website. I ordered a set of Velocity Quills with 
a raw unpolished or anodized finish because I wanted silver rims, but I 
didn't want them polished. My front hub is a NOS White Industries that I 
found on bikerecyclery.com.  The wheels turned out great, but the 700x50 
Soma Cazaderos barely fit on the rear of my Atlantis.

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 12:35:20 PM UTC-6, bo richardson wrote:
>
> my atlantis was loaned to a friend who was going to do some work on it for 
> me. 
> a young womman on her cell phone hit him and the bike. he ended up on the 
> hood. 
> Michael is banged up, mostlyok but wont know for sure till osteo visit on 
> the 20th. 
> the bike seems mostly ok. Brooks is damaged, tape is damaged, rear wheel 
> is wrecked. 
>
> Am planning shop-based both wheel rebuild. Schmidt front hub. 
> Rear hub i think is DX, ie shimano 105quality. 
>
> is there a price/value upgrade hub i should buy? it will probably be out 
> of my pocket 
> I dont want White or Phil expense. LX.?IRD? 
> Will keep Schmidt front hub. 
>
> What about nice silver rims? I usually run 1.5” tires.  But possible next 
> owner may want wider tires? 
>
> Thanks 
> Bo Richardson 
> Bellingham 
>
> Thanks for crowdsourced expertise. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Rust proof question

2018-11-12 Thread ascpgh

Framesaver-ing a built up bike is hard since access to the tubes (those 
vent holes really won't do it) is obstructed and used to risk contamination 
of BB and HS bearings (back when they were cup and ball) if left in place. 
You do have to get the straw into the stays, top tube and head tube to 
spray. Dropping the fork, pulling the seat post and removing the BB open 
that access. 

The nice part about cartridge bearing BBs and HSs is that doing these three 
things to permit spraying your frame's insides isn't as complicated as it 
was back during the cup and loose ball paradigm. If you have an LBS you 
trust, perhaps they would help in the process.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 7:48:35 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Can’t see any reason why you would need to take everything off the frame, 
> other than to remove the headset, seat post, and bottom bracket in order to 
> get to the insides of the frame tubes. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Nov 10, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Andrew Huston  > wrote:
>
> Maybe a dumb question...
> Is it a terrible idea to spray some rustproofing material into a fully 
> built bike or should it be done on a bare frame?  Are there any methods or 
> products that folks find to be best?  
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Re: [RBW] Winter wool baselayer rec needed

2018-11-12 Thread ctifusion

Is the the Costco brand? I bought a couple tops and bottoms at Costco last 
year, part wool part poly, and they are great and cheap! Like 20% the cost 
of smartwool. And work just as well IMO. I haven't checked what they are 
carrying this year but I'll be on the lookout.

brynnar
indy

On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 8:41:33 AM UTC-5, Steven Sweedler wrote:
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> Since the demise of Ibex and especially their fall sale, I have been 
> enjoying   -33   as long as you like the color black, their long underwear 
> bottoms are excellent, cycled in them yesterday.   Steve
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:38 AM EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks all. It sounds like the 150 weight might be what I want.
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[RBW] Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Surlyprof

Woolpower quarter zip sweaters in red.  Picked a gray one up at the garage sale 
and love it.  Can’t find a red one anymore.  Not even on the Woolpower site.

John

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[RBW] Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

2018-11-12 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

With some interest in this system, this thread is to summarize the system and
be a common place to ask about it. Why fishnet baselayer? Simple. moisture
management. Fishnet longjohns minimize the moisture at the skin, keeping me
warm and toasty when I’d otherwise be cold and clammy.

I use a wool fishnet longjohn top base layer. With it, I then can insulate with
any fabric, including cotton flanel. It’s highly effective at moisture
management and that is key to staying warm when aerobic activity is involved,
especially when stops happen and you cool down. You can test the system with
Wiggy’s for $38 (not skin friendly nylon, but his video also explains why
fishnet baselayer is superior)
https://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/, or the wool
version is Brynje https://www.brynjeusa.com.

I just got back from a 3.5 hour ride, including an hour plus coffee and pipe at
the top, with temps 15˚F down low and about 5˚F up top, with 1,300 feet
climbing in 8 miles. Which is to say if I’m dressed to be warm, I’m sweating
and I want moisture to easily escape. With this system, it does. My ventile
jacket stayed in reserve, and I put my boiled wool sweater on for the time at
the top and the ride home. It snowed about 6” total from start of the ride to
returning home. Warm and cozy the whole ride, and stop, and inner layers were
dry when I took them off at home (I had to shake the crusted snow off my hat
and sweater.).

Lum then asked a few things.

“What between the fishnet and sweater?”
Any insulative layer. I tested this in the extreme early on, putting on a
soaking wet heavy cotton flanel (Duluth burly flannel I’d just taken ouf the
the washer, which doesn’t spin dry welll) and my Ventile jackt and then riding
for an hour at -10˚F. I stayed “not cold”, so long as I was moving (didn’t test
stopping). Parts of the sleeves were frozen stiff when I got home, but I was
fine. My usual:
Standard weight cotton flannel: 50˚F down to about 25˚F when climbing (toasty
at 50 when climbing, but I just unbutton the shirt a bit and it ventilates well)
Heavy weight cotton flannel: 25˚F to 10˚F when climbing
2 weights of sweater: normal (like Riv’s sweaters), and boiled wool (like
wearing 4 regular sweaters, but far better. Blocks a lot of wind. I’ve ridden
down hill into headwinds at 0˚F.). I will add at the top for cofee/pipe/writing
as needed, starting at 50˚F and cloudy.

“How do you keep wind from penetrating layers?”
Add canvas vest, sweater, or ventile jacket for wind blocking/heat retention as
needed. Below 20˚F, this wind layer can be a regular canvas, as all “moisture”
is dry snow. However, Ventile does a great job no matter the temperature, so is
what I use.

“What about pants layers and sox?”
Tweed breeks from https://www.spencers-trousers.com. So far I’ve not added
anything under or over and only plan on adding fishnet longjohns if needed,
below ˚F. I do add single sock as extra warmth and wind block cod piece at 15˚F
and below.
Socks: Boiled wool extra heavy 3-ply over the knee sock (folded to be under the
knee), requires sizing shoe up 2 sizes. I add a second pair 4-ply ankle sock at
15˚F, good down to zero. Below that, I shift to Sorel Caribou boots with 1-2
pair boiled wool socks.
I add ventile gaters, to just below the knee, for a wind barrier as needed, but
for warmth due to heat retention starting below 20˚F.

Mittens: 3 ply boiled wool glomitt down to 20˚F. Add a 4-ply boiled wool mitt
below that, and an Empire Canvas chopper mitt as needed for wind block/heat
retention.
Wool scarf, blocks wind into shirt and keeps neck warm starting around freezing.
Hat: Walts wool cycling cap to about 25˚F. Add 2-ply down to 10˚F, 4-ply below
that and/or at stops at the top, for descents. Ventile hood if windblock
needed, but that doesn’t happen until below zero as the 4-ply blocks wind very
well and is 2 or three layers thick around the ears/headband area.

The key before fishnet was to wear enough layers to absorb sweat, then change
to dry base layers if stopped, or just don’t stop. Since fishnet, the key is to
manage moisture, and when things get wet it’s not a big deal because I’ll stay
warm even when I stop, and at an extended stop just add more insulative layers
and wind block as needed. It allows me to do extended stops at all
temperatures, which has opened up my riding.

Boiled wool:
https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear-boiled-wool-sweaters-mitts-socks-caps-gloves/.
Rick is great to work with. A note on the boiled wool hats: I’ve added a chin
tie to keep them on. People with smaller heads may not have this issue.
Basically a leather shoe lace inside the back headband of the hat, pushed
through at the front of the ears. When tied, it holds the hat snuggly to the
back of my neck and below my ears.

Ventile: https://hilltrek.co.uk

You can see a number of these layering combos in my coffeeneuring post:

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed

2018-11-12 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Lum asked a few things.

Ventile: https://hilltrek.co.uk

You can see a number of these layering combos in my coffeeneuring post:
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/coffeeneuring-challenge-2018 and fall color
post: https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/gold-trail.

(I’ll also post this to it’s own thread to not derail this thread further)

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

2018-11-12 Thread Kevin Lindsey



The All-Rounder.  It's what first turned me on to Rivendell back in the 
day, but at the time I couldn't begin to afford one.  Now I can, but 
they're nowhere to be found.
The Bleriot.  I've got one, and believe it's the best riding bike Riv has 
produced.  It's a pity they stopped making them.

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