Re: [RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

[Joe Bernard]

Which btw was sort of answer to "Is Sam Hillborne a road bike?" 

Anybody else here have Cheviot impressions? 

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[RBW] FS: Bags, Bags, Bags and More

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

Corona Clean Up of the Garage...
Apologies in advance for any "For Sale" faux pas, as this is really my 
first attempt at selling stuff on here. 

I am a Riv nerd with four rivs so over the years I have collected a bunch 
of different bags and things in an attempt to dial things up just the way I 
want. Many impulse buys the just didn't work but they're all in almost 
perfect condition, if not totally unused. 

*Prices are not including shipping. PayPal or local pickup - I am on the 
Peninsula in Sillycon Valley. If you're interested I will send more 
info/pics. *

Brenn Bags (@cbrennbags in Scotland) Custom Saddle bag leather/treated 
canvas, never used - $50
Rivendell Sackville Saddle Sack SMALL - never used. They don't make this 
anymore so it's a fun "rare" item. - $125
Ruthworks Custom Brevet - it was on a bike for a hot minute and is in 
stellar condition - $125
Ruthworks Custom Standard Wedge - Never used. - $100
Ruthworks Ultralight Brevet, used on one ride but in like new condition - 
$75
Ruthworks Ultralight Wedge, slightly used, $50
Carradice Carradry Heavy Duty saddle bag, never used - $25
Carradice "Super C" Cotton Canvas Saddle Pack, never used - $25
Trash Messenger Bags Custom RED "Wastebasket" fanny pack/mini messenger 
bag, never used - $50
Velo Orange Saddlebag in canvas and leather, never used - $20
Restrap Saddle Bag 8.5x5 rolled up, never used - $25
Velo Orange Constructeur Front Rack, never used - $75
Nitto M12 Front Rack, never used - $80








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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[JAS]

Joe, thanks so much for the encouragement and your ideas for how to lighten 
up this baby.  I'll be interested to see what comes of this discussion.  I 
can see myself with fenders and a saddlebag with a rack or some sort of bag 
support if needed with the objective of keeping it light and agile.

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:51:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Joyce, 
>
> I've owned 4 Clems (2 L, 2 H) and a Cheviot - which probably means I have 
> a problem, but that's another story! 浪 - and think I can double-up a bit 
> on Leah's thoughts. 
>
> The Chev is often misunderstood as a cruiser/tourer-type bike because of 
> the mixte look but in reality it's a light-ish, stiff-ish road bike with 
> road brakes. 
>
> I think it's a perfect compliment to your Clem set up with alu bars, stem 
> and post, and maybe don't load it down with front and rear racks and a 
> bunch of bags. Fenders are fine and maybe a rear rack to support a 
> medium-ish saddlebag is good. Go for it!  

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Re: [RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

[Joe Bernard]

One of the few Rivs I've never owned or tried is Sam Hillborne. Its direct 
predecessor was the Bleriot, which was the first Taiwan version of the 
Toyo/MUSA Saluki/AHH. I've owned all of those, they all had road calipers and I 
consider them road/country bikes. 

BUT, Sam has come at various times with calipers or cantis/v-brakes, and in 
different ST-to-TT configurations. So why am I even trying to answer this if I 
haven't ridden any of them? For background, yon Rivsters. I consider the 
Cheviot in the group of road/country bikes I've owned, and they have a 
relationship to at least the road caliper version of the Hillborne, the MIT 
bike which replaced the Bleriot. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[JAS]

Leah, I'd happily be your twin!  You want the sparkly red paint on your 
Chev and I'll have to hold out for a beautiful blue.  Thanks for sharing 
what Vince told you.  I love that idea of a Susie-version.  Now I wonder 
how long we will have to wait for the next batch of Chevs.  

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:29:26 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Joyce, what are we, the same exact person??? 
>
> I love my Clementine, same as you, but I *also* want something spirited 
> and light, but not a diamond frame. I’m really hoping those Cheviots happen 
> late summer because I’ll be getting one in that batch. I had the same 
> caveat as you - I told Vince I wanted the bike to be a lot lighter than my 
> Clem. Think about it - those Clems are overbuilt for me. I don’t have a lot 
> in common mass-wise with a 200 pound man - I could get by with lighter 
> tubing. I love my Clem but it is heavy, and I have nothing but hills here. 
> Therefore, I’m always expending a fair amount of effort and I’m slow. The 
> only other bike I’m interested in is the Cheviot, because it’s a mixte. But 
> it also occurs to me I might be able to get what I want from Nobilette. So, 
> I asked Vince: should I order a Cheviot or should I get a lighter-tubed 
> custom? After we talked for a long time he told me we could do fine with a 
> production Chev if I spent a little extra on getting lighter PARTS. Things 
> like aluminum handlebars instead of steel, etc. I would love to see 
> Rivendell offer a Susie-version of its Clem. 
>
> So, that’s my plan for now. But those Cheviots will not arrive until 
> sometime in August. Supposedly. Who knows with the world being as it is 
> right now. We could be twins you know; each have a Clementine and a 
> Cheviot. #rivtwins 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

[Leah Peterson]

Hmmm...well, if that is as you say, I’ll try this tomorrow! With a video first 
to make sure I’m not breaking crap, you know...

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 9:12 PM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> I can bend it fairly easily with my thumbs just holding it in my hand, 
> mounted to the bike and using the fender itself as a fulcrum, it should bend 
> even easier.
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

[masmojo]

I can bend it fairly easily with my thumbs just holding it in my hand, mounted 
to the bike and using the fender itself as a fulcrum, it should bend even 
easier.

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Re: [RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Interesting. A Hillborne (another bike I’ve never ridden). So, a Hillborne is a 
road bike? 

To everyone else who has a Cheviot and wants to share, do you ride it like you 
would a road bike? Or is it for city trips and shopping? Does it limit you in 
any way? I’m supposed to get a Cheviot when the next batch comes in (oh please, 
let us have Cheviots in 2020) but I’ll be buying it without ever having ridden 
it. I’d love to hear how Chev owners like and use these bikes.

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Re: [RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

[Roberta]

That was my impression, too.  Which is why on the other thread, I thought 
AHH/Chev combination would be great complimentary bikes.  I could see 
myself with these two bikes in retirement.  Or, just a mixte, if it was 
light and spiritedly like my AHH.

There is something special about a mixte.  I have one, a Handsome Cycles 
she devil, for going around town.  Even though nice, not as nice as a Riv, 
but it's really fun for city riding.  And, I'm more willing to lock it in 
the city.

Roberta

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:12:45 PM UTC-4, Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
> A Mixte Tube Hillborne. 
>
> And I’ll tell you, sometimes I feel like my HIllborne is my fastest road 
> bike. 
>
> > On Mar 27, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Bicycle Belle started this topic on another thread and I think it would 
> be interesting to dive into. I think it's a road bike or Country Bike like 
> a Homer, someone else said it was kinda equal to a Clem, and Will @ Riv 
> uses his as a 2-speed on dirt trails (but he's crazy!). What do YOU think a 
> Cheviot is? 
> > 
> > Joe Bernard 
> > Marin County CA. 
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Re: [RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

[Surlyprof]

That’s one tough answer to beat!

John

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Re: [RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

[James Warren]

A Mixte Tube Hillborne.

And I’ll tell you, sometimes I feel like my HIllborne is my fastest road bike.

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Bicycle Belle started this topic on another thread and I think it would be 
> interesting to dive into. I think it's a road bike or Country Bike like a 
> Homer, someone else said it was kinda equal to a Clem, and Will @ Riv uses 
> his as a 2-speed on dirt trails (but he's crazy!). What do YOU think a 
> Cheviot is? 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
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[RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

[Joe Bernard]

Bicycle Belle started this topic on another thread and I think it would be 
interesting to dive into. I think it's a road bike or Country Bike like a 
Homer, someone else said it was kinda equal to a Clem, and Will @ Riv uses his 
as a 2-speed on dirt trails (but he's crazy!). What do YOU think a Cheviot is? 

Joe Bernard
Marin County CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Joe Bernard]

We're all (most of us, at least a lot of us) stuck at home and could use all 
the threads that are fit to print. Start a new thread yo! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Leah Peterson]

I am very interested in this topic of What Is A Cheviot, but I’m thinking of 
starting a new thread for fear of hijacking this one.  I don’t have any 
knowledge to contribute about the Homer (but our Roberta does!) and am more 
interested in soliciting info re: the Cheviot. It’s just that I’ve started so 
many threads...

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> On Mar 27, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure...
> 
> One thing Leah has been exploring and I'm contemplating is new tires.  AHH 
> has good tires (RBW lister built up the bike).  With every Riv I've tested 
> otherwise, they have been on not so great (as I've been told) Kenda tires.  I 
> don't know enough about bikes to know if the other components make a big 
> difference in the ride, but I do expect that tires would.  
> 
> I think the tubes on the AHH are slimmer and on the Joe A are stouter. I'm 
> translating that to the steel is more forgiving/flexier for the AHH.  Again, 
> I never did any back to back comparisons.
> 
> Leah would be a good person to respond since she had a pre-Chev Betty Foy and 
> both Clem Ls.
> 
> Roberta
> 
>> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:09:21 PM UTC-4, JAS wrote:
>> I've been thinking about a Cheviot as a compliment to my Clem, wanting a 
>> "go-faster-feeling" bike for road riding and light loads. My Clem is great 
>> for dirt trails, rough roads and grocery runs.  Though I enjoy the ride, 
>> light and spirited is what I'm after for bike #2.  (I like that description, 
>> Roberta.)   I'm replacing a Klein sport-touring bike that has those very 
>> skinny tires (28s) with no room to go bigger and which I've pretty much 
>> ignored since getting the Clem.  
>> 
>> So here's the question for those of you with more experience than I, do you 
>> think the Cheviot could be built up in such a manner and if so, are there 
>> certain parts that would make a difference?  Wheels, for example?  What 
>> makes the MIT AHH seem light and spirited compared to the Chev?
>> 
>>> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>> I think they'd compliment each other very well, and I'm thinking I'd want a 
>>> step thru like a Chev, myself.I have a MIT AHH  and the ride is light 
>>> and spirited.  I've ridden the Chev and is solid and stable.  I think 
>>> between the two, you might have all the bikes you need.
>>> 
 On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:52:50 AM UTC-4, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
 Could these two country bikes actually complement the other?
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[RBW] Re: FS - Handlebars (basement cleanout of older handlebars)

[RDS]

Bosco and Rack sold.

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 8:34:26 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> Pending sales on the bosco's and rack.
>
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 7:47:12 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>
>> Basement cleanout of older handlebars.  All of the below ships from 
>> Georgia zipcode 30040.  Pics at 
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Bosco Bar* w/ ends trimmed shorter – Steel – approx. 54mm c-to-c after 
>> trimming.  Remaining straight portion of bar is appox 5 inches.  Approx 8.5 
>> inches from middle of clamp back to ends of bar.  Price $5 + shipping cost 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Ritchey Logic II WCS* Drop Handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  44cm wide.  82 
>> reach.  142 drop.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Profile Design 1/Twenty* Drop Handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  44 wide.  Reach 
>> 75.  Drop 137.  $5 + shipping cost
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Mystery handlebars*.  Aluminum.  Approx 56 c-to-c.  It has TRL-601 
>> stamped onto the bar, but I have no idea what that means.  It does have 
>> some rise.  See Pic where it compares this bar to the Nitto below (this bar 
>> is in front of the Nitto).  $5 + shipping.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Salsa Salt Flat 3* handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  11 degree bend.  700mm 
>> wide.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Nitto B483* Handlebar.  25.4 Clamp.  51 wide.  95 rise.  Sweep 60 
>> degrees.  See pic comparing this bar to the above mystery bar.  The Nitto 
>> bar is in the back.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Salsa MotoAce* handlebar.  66cm wide.  Clamp 25.4.  Price: $5 + 
>> shipping cost.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Salsa ProMoto* Handlebar.  68cm wide.  31.8 clamp.  Price: $5 + 
>> shipping cost
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Lucas 3 Mini* Front Rack – Black – See more details at the below 
>> links.  Price $5 + shipping.
>>
>> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/lucas-2-mini-front-rack
>>
>>
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/soma-front-rack-lucas-3-4817?category=1016=lucas
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Joe Bernard]

Now if you REALLY want a go-fast Riv, go track down a Frank Jones Señor 
singlespeed like I just did. It's like, it's flexy, there's a strong chance I'm 
at least 10 pounds too heavy for it  

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Get Around Bars

[Conway Bennett]

I'm in the minority.  I had get around bars mated to a Nitto hi-riser stem on 
my quickbeam and I did not like them.  If someone reads this and wants mine, 
please buy them! 

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[RBW] Re: FS - Handlebars (basement cleanout of older handlebars)

[RDS]

Pending sales on the bosco's and rack.

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 7:47:12 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> Basement cleanout of older handlebars.  All of the below ships from 
> Georgia zipcode 30040.  Pics at 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8
>
>  
>
> *Bosco Bar* w/ ends trimmed shorter – Steel – approx. 54mm c-to-c after 
> trimming.  Remaining straight portion of bar is appox 5 inches.  Approx 8.5 
> inches from middle of clamp back to ends of bar.  Price $5 + shipping cost 
>
>  
>
> *Ritchey Logic II WCS* Drop Handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  44cm wide.  82 
> reach.  142 drop.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.
>
>  
>
> *Profile Design 1/Twenty* Drop Handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  44 wide.  Reach 
> 75.  Drop 137.  $5 + shipping cost
>
>  
>
> *Mystery handlebars*.  Aluminum.  Approx 56 c-to-c.  It has TRL-601 
> stamped onto the bar, but I have no idea what that means.  It does have 
> some rise.  See Pic where it compares this bar to the Nitto below (this bar 
> is in front of the Nitto).  $5 + shipping.
>
>  
>
> *Salsa Salt Flat 3* handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  11 degree bend.  700mm 
> wide.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.
>
>  
>
> *Nitto B483* Handlebar.  25.4 Clamp.  51 wide.  95 rise.  Sweep 60 
> degrees.  See pic comparing this bar to the above mystery bar.  The Nitto 
> bar is in the back.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.
>
>  
>
> *Salsa MotoAce* handlebar.  66cm wide.  Clamp 25.4.  Price: $5 + shipping 
> cost.
>
>  
>
> *Salsa ProMoto* Handlebar.  68cm wide.  31.8 clamp.  Price: $5 + shipping 
> cost
>
>  
>
> *Lucas 3 Mini* Front Rack – Black – See more details at the below links.  
> Price $5 + shipping.
>
> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/lucas-2-mini-front-rack
>
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/soma-front-rack-lucas-3-4817?category=1016=lucas
>
>  
>
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[RBW] WTT: Billie Bars for your Wavie Bars

[a spen]

Hi folks,
Like the subject line says, I'd looking to swap/exchange my Billie Bars for 
a set of Wavie Bars.  These Billie's are in good condition, have only 
lightly been used and some light beusage.
Please let me know if you're interested. 
Thanks!
Al

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Could not agree more than with Joe and Roberta.  Hopefully after Leah’s walk 
she reads the wisdom both of you present about tubes and models. 

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Joe Bernard]

Those are good lines in the sand, Roberta. Admittedly most Rivs aren't 
massively far apart in weight and ride, but Cheviot is to AHH as Joe A is to 
Atlantis, and Clem is on the stouter Hillibike side where Joe A and Atlantis 
live. In..my..opinion.  

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[RBW] FS - Handlebars (basement cleanout of older handlebars)

[RDS]

Basement cleanout of older handlebars.  All of the below ships from Georgia 
zipcode 30040.  Pics at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8

 

*Bosco Bar* w/ ends trimmed shorter – Steel – approx. 54mm c-to-c after 
trimming.  Remaining straight portion of bar is appox 5 inches.  Approx 8.5 
inches from middle of clamp back to ends of bar.  Price $5 + shipping cost 

 

*Ritchey Logic II WCS* Drop Handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  44cm wide.  82 reach. 
 142 drop.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.

 

*Profile Design 1/Twenty* Drop Handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  44 wide.  Reach 
75.  Drop 137.  $5 + shipping cost

 

*Mystery handlebars*.  Aluminum.  Approx 56 c-to-c.  It has TRL-601 stamped 
onto the bar, but I have no idea what that means.  It does have some rise.  
See Pic where it compares this bar to the Nitto below (this bar is in front 
of the Nitto).  $5 + shipping.

 

*Salsa Salt Flat 3* handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  11 degree bend.  700mm wide.  
Price: $5 + shipping cost.

 

*Nitto B483* Handlebar.  25.4 Clamp.  51 wide.  95 rise.  Sweep 60 
degrees.  See pic comparing this bar to the above mystery bar.  The Nitto 
bar is in the back.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.

 

*Salsa MotoAce* handlebar.  66cm wide.  Clamp 25.4.  Price: $5 + shipping 
cost.

 

*Salsa ProMoto* Handlebar.  68cm wide.  31.8 clamp.  Price: $5 + shipping 
cost

 

*Lucas 3 Mini* Front Rack – Black – See more details at the below links.  
Price $5 + shipping.

https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/lucas-2-mini-front-rack

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/soma-front-rack-lucas-3-4817?category=1016=lucas

 

 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Roberta]

I'm not sure...

One thing Leah has been exploring and I'm contemplating is new tires.  AHH 
has good tires (RBW lister built up the bike).  With every Riv I've tested 
otherwise, they have been on not so great (as I've been told) Kenda tires.  
I don't know enough about bikes to know if the other components make a big 
difference in the ride, but I do expect that tires would.  

I think the tubes on the AHH are slimmer and on the Joe A are stouter. I'm 
translating that to the steel is more forgiving/flexier for the AHH.  
Again, I never did any back to back comparisons.

Leah would be a good person to respond since she had a pre-Chev Betty Foy 
and both Clem Ls.

Roberta

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:09:21 PM UTC-4, JAS wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about a Cheviot as a compliment to my Clem, wanting a 
> "go-faster-feeling" bike for road riding and light loads. My Clem is great 
> for dirt trails, rough roads and grocery runs.  Though I enjoy the ride, 
> light and spirited is what I'm after for bike #2.  (I like that 
> description, Roberta.)   I'm replacing a Klein sport-touring bike that has 
> those very skinny tires (28s) with no room to go bigger and which I've 
> pretty much ignored since getting the Clem.  
>
> So here's the question for those of you with more experience than I, do 
> you think the Cheviot could be built up in such a manner and if so, are 
> there certain parts that would make a difference?  Wheels, for example?  
> What makes the MIT AHH seem light and spirited compared to the Chev?
>
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> I think they'd compliment each other very well, and I'm thinking I'd want 
>> a step thru like a Chev, myself.I have a MIT AHH  and the ride is light 
>> and spirited.  I've ridden the Chev and is solid and stable.  I think 
>> between the two, you might have all the bikes you need.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:52:50 AM UTC-4, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>>
>>> Could these two country bikes actually complement the other?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What Fenders Are These?

[j.schwartz]

Is is possible it could be these 63mm VO fenders?
Looks like it , including the kick-in bend for the rear to make room for 
the chainrings 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/fenders/products/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c


On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 6:01:45 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> SimWorks by Honjo. I believe this is the fender on that Appaloosa.
>  
> https://sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo/products/smooth-62?variant=24951437955
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[Joe Bernard]

Now that guy's (or lady's) Atlantis is for sale, too, with the story that 
he/she has too many Rivs. So basically I have no idea, may everyone get the 
Rivs they want at prices they can live with. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Joe Bernard]

I *do* think Chevs get tagged as "about town bikes", as I alluded to earlier 
about the mixte look somewhat disguising the Rivendell road bike it really is. 
Ok maybe it's a Country Bike; Roadeo and Roadini are the true Riv road bikes. 
To me it's a Homer or Sam with a lower toptube. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Honestly, the more input the better. I feel like the Cheviot isn’t discussed 
much/enough. I was thrilled to see the cool Montanan featured on the Blug with 
hers this week. 

But why is this? Is the Cheviot seen and used more as an about town bike and 
not for other types of rides? 

Whatever anyone wants to say about the Cheviot, I’ll read it.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, I'm telling them my experience with both bikes, and applying it to what I 
know about their riding. I have no problem with them having both opinions, this 
is an opinion forum. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Clayton.HBG]

Joe, You are advising them that the Cheviot rides "faster" than the Clem 
and the Cheviot is a road bike.

I am saying they are both the same for ME from a effort to speed ratio. 

If they really want a faster bike, I suggest they get something else based 
on MY experiences. A Roadini or Roadeo perhaps, but I don't know if they 
would be quicker. I can only compare them to what I have which is what I 
did. Just cause I allegedly have done longer rides, that does not mean my 
experience is less valid. Not sure how riding shorter distances makes for 
better comparison. 

My quickbeam was also faster than a Chev or Clem even with just one gear. 

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA



On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I would argue that you're a very experienced rider doing high mileage days 
> on bikes Rivendell doesn't make. In my opinion the comparison I made 
> applies better to the riding and bicycle interests of Joyce and Leah. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Joe Bernard]

I would argue that you're a very experienced rider doing high mileage days on 
bikes Rivendell doesn't make. In my opinion the comparison I made applies 
better to the riding and bicycle interests of Joyce and Leah. 

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[RBW] What Fenders Are These?

[Joe Bernard]

SimWorks by Honjo. I believe this is the fender on that Appaloosa.
 
https://sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo/products/smooth-62?variant=24951437955

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Re: [RBW] What Fenders Are These?

[James Valiensi]

Wow- that is the best representation of Honjo fenders ever!
I too wanted the same for my JA.

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:58 PM, maxcr  wrote:
> 
> Maybe sim works? https://www.sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo
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[RBW] What Fenders Are These?

[maxcr]

Maybe sim works? https://www.sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Get Around Bars

[Isaac]

I have both the Wavie and Getaround bar. The getaround is really fun for 
mountian biking and adventurous around town ridding. The Wavie bar is also 
great at those tasks but also much more comfortable on long rides since it 
has a little more back sweep and a nice forward hand position. That’s how 
they work for me, love them both.

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:09:25 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch,
>
> I recently built up the world’s largest(?) Stumpjumper, which I purchased 
> from Ant, a fellow list member, friend, and brother in the eternal quest 
> for large frame bicycles. Ant has Sim Works Get Around Bars on his Toyo 
> Atlantis and, based on his recommendation, I put them on the Stumpjumper. 
>
> Folks, I love these bars. I wanted to share with the group, because I 
> think they’d work particularly well on older Riv models that have 
> relatively shorter TTs compared to the current offerings.  I’m considering 
> making the switch on my 66cm Quickbeam (62cm TT), for example, and they 
> would fit on my 66cm Ram too (61cm TT). I’d think twice about putting them 
> on my 65cm 2017 MUSA Atlantis (63.5cm TT). For reference, the Stumpy has a 
> 59.5cm TT and a 130cm stem.
>
> Isaac in Portland, OR
>
> [image: Unknown-9.jpeg]
>
> [image: Unknown-7.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: Unknown-8.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: Unknown-10.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[Collin A]

I missed out on the original ad (bummer), but this new clem seems like a 
fine bicycle.

Thanks Clayton for helping keep things in perspective.

>From my Porch Office,
Collin in Sacramento

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:58:32 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Or maybe they are currently out of work and this is a way to feed their 
> family for a few more days.
> Don't know the seller, but have a few friends struggling right now or soon 
> and I would be the last to judge them for a move like this.
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
>
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:34:40 PM UTC-7, BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, pretty lame...
>>
>> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope this person who also owns an Atlantis and clearly knows what they 
>>> bought is willing to budge a LOT off that price. Not to me, I don't need 
>>> it, but someone who could have paid $700 and enjoyed a nice bike to ride. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Clayton.sf]

My experience is different. For me both Clem L and Cheviot are similar 
regarding effort to speed ratio. I have not found the Cheviot any speedier 
than the Clem. The Clem does better in rough stuff and is an equal on the 
road. Cheviot is easier to mount and dismount with load. Both are NOT bikes 
I would take on unloaded "spirited" rides. Sure, I have done 100k ride on 
the Cheviot just because, but my 100k times on my Boulder or Blackmountain 
are significantly faster. 

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:51:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Joyce, 
>
> I've owned 4 Clems (2 L, 2 H) and a Cheviot - which probably means I have 
> a problem, but that's another story! 浪 - and think I can double-up a bit 
> on Leah's thoughts. 
>
> The Chev is often misunderstood as a cruiser/tourer-type bike because of 
> the mixte look but in reality it's a light-ish, stiff-ish road bike with 
> road brakes. 
>
> I think it's a perfect compliment to your Clem set up with alu bars, stem 
> and post, and maybe don't load it down with front and rear racks and a 
> bunch of bags. Fenders are fine and maybe a rear rack to support a 
> medium-ish saddlebag is good. Go for it!  

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[RBW] In Praise of Get Around Bars

[Bones]

Those look great. Anyone have any experience with both those and the wavie 
bars? Any preference?

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[RBW] What Fenders Are These?

[Grady Wright]

Hello Friends, 
Can anyone identify what fenders are in this photo from rivendell's blug? 

https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/185091706269/who-rides-an-appaloosa-john-a-familiar-face-in


I messaged them to ask if they knew what size tires and model of fender and 
the answer was the tires were 2.25" Thunder Burt's and a Hanjo fender. I 
can see that the tires are Rocket Ron's and I can't find a hanjo fender 
that wide that was available around the time of this photo.


The goal for my new appaloosa is to do a 2.1" tire with fenders which from 
this photo looks possible if I can find the right fender. 


Thanks in advance for your help!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Tires, Teravail 700c

[Collin A]

Bump, how about $80 shipped for the RH Tires?

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 7:54:56 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> 700x28 teravail rampart tires sold.
>
> The 700x35 teravail cannonballs and 700x35 Rene Herse BJP tires remain.
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 7:20:13 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Heyo,
>>
>> I have in my possession some tires that I would like to get rid of in an 
>> attempt to do some covid-cleaning. See below, prices include shipping:
>>
>>- One Pair of RH/Compass Bon Jon Pass 700x35 tires, standard casing. 
>>One has the compass logo, another has the RH logo. Approximately 200 
>> miles 
>>on them - *$100*
>>   - 
>> *https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx35-bon-jon-pass/
>>  
>>   
>> 
>>  
>>   *
>>- One Pair, NIB, Teravail Rampart 700x28, durable casing - *$60*
>>   - 
>> *https://teravail.com/tires/rampart#TR7275 
>>    *
>>- One Pair Teravail Cannonball 700x35, one is NIB and another has 
>>about 50 miles on it, both are the durable casing models. - $*60*
>>   - *https://teravail.com/tires/cannonball#TR7200 
>>   *
>>
>> These are tires that I enjoyed and think they ride quite well, but am 
>> slowly phasing out my only remaining 700c bike so these tires need to go. I 
>> am happy to answer any questions about performance, pros/cons, etc. Just 
>> let me know. I'm also flexible on price, so there is that too...
>>
>> I've also got a surly 8-pack rack that I'll post soonish.
>>
>> Photos for those that need them:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/W5XjU4VPwu1cg94G8
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin A in Sacramento
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Joe Bernard]

Joyce,

I've owned 4 Clems (2 L, 2 H) and a Cheviot - which probably means I have a 
problem, but that's another story! 浪 - and think I can double-up a bit on 
Leah's thoughts. 

The Chev is often misunderstood as a cruiser/tourer-type bike because of the 
mixte look but in reality it's a light-ish, stiff-ish road bike with road 
brakes. 

I think it's a perfect compliment to your Clem set up with alu bars, stem and 
post, and maybe don't load it down with front and rear racks and a bunch of 
bags. Fenders are fine and maybe a rear rack to support a medium-ish saddlebag 
is good. Go for it!  

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Get Around Bars

[Birdman]

And Gabriel, that Rockhopper is amazing

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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[Joe Bernard]

Well it's like this. Old Days Joe would have more thoughts on this and stir it 
up bad and Cyclofiend Jim would eventually have to clean up the thread, then 
give up and kill it. With a pinned note up top there to remind me this was all 
a bad idea. 

But New Nice Joe is going to shut up now because he's already upset at least 
one person this week he'd really hoped to never upset, and we're all under a 
lot of stress and it's not worth it. Bye! ‍♂️

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Get Around Bars

[Birdman]

Thanks guys! I'm really excited about how it turned out.

Gabriel, I'm running 26" Ritchey Vantage Experts. The ETs measure 2.5" wide 
and 2 5/16" tall.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Joyce, what are we, the same exact person???

I love my Clementine, same as you, but I *also* want something spirited and 
light, but not a diamond frame. I’m really hoping those Cheviots happen late 
summer because I’ll be getting one in that batch. I had the same caveat as you 
- I told Vince I wanted the bike to be a lot lighter than my Clem. Think about 
it - those Clems are overbuilt for me. I don’t have a lot in common mass-wise 
with a 200 pound man - I could get by with lighter tubing. I love my Clem but 
it is heavy, and I have nothing but hills here. Therefore, I’m always expending 
a fair amount of effort and I’m slow. The only other bike I’m interested in is 
the Cheviot, because it’s a mixte. But it also occurs to me I might be able to 
get what I want from Nobilette. So, I asked Vince: should I order a Cheviot or 
should I get a lighter-tubed custom? After we talked for a long time he told me 
we could do fine with a production Chev if I spent a little extra on getting 
lighter PARTS. Things like aluminum handlebars instead of steel, etc. I would 
love to see Rivendell offer a Susie-version of its Clem. 

So, that’s my plan for now. But those Cheviots will not arrive until sometime 
in August. Supposedly. Who knows with the world being as it is right now. We 
could be twins you know; each have a Clementine and a Cheviot. #rivtwins 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[JAS]

I've been thinking about a Cheviot as a compliment to my Clem, wanting a 
"go-faster-feeling" bike for road riding and light loads. My Clem is great 
for dirt trails, rough roads and grocery runs.  Though I enjoy the ride, 
light and spirited is what I'm after for bike #2.  (I like that 
description, Roberta.)   I'm replacing a Klein sport-touring bike that has 
those very skinny tires (28s) with no room to go bigger and which I've 
pretty much ignored since getting the Clem.  

So here's the question for those of you with more experience than I, do you 
think the Cheviot could be built up in such a manner and if so, are there 
certain parts that would make a difference?  Wheels, for example?  What 
makes the MIT AHH seem light and spirited compared to the Chev?

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>
> I think they'd compliment each other very well, and I'm thinking I'd want 
> a step thru like a Chev, myself.I have a MIT AHH  and the ride is light 
> and spirited.  I've ridden the Chev and is solid and stable.  I think 
> between the two, you might have all the bikes you need.
>
> On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:52:50 AM UTC-4, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>
>> Could these two country bikes actually complement the other?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[Clayton.sf]

Or maybe they are currently out of work and this is a way to feed their 
family for a few more days.
Don't know the seller, but have a few friends struggling right now or soon 
and I would be the last to judge them for a move like this.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:34:40 PM UTC-7, BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
> Yeah, pretty lame...
>
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I hope this person who also owns an Atlantis and clearly knows what they 
>> bought is willing to budge a LOT off that price. Not to me, I don't need 
>> it, but someone who could have paid $700 and enjoyed a nice bike to ride. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Roberta]

I think they'd compliment each other very well, and I'm thinking I'd want a 
step thru like a Chev, myself.I have a MIT AHH  and the ride is light 
and spirited.  I've ridden the Chev and is solid and stable.  I think 
between the two, you might have all the bikes you need.

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> Could these two country bikes actually complement the other?
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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[BRETT ROBINSON]

Yeah, pretty lame...

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I hope this person who also owns an Atlantis and clearly knows what they 
> bought is willing to budge a LOT off that price. Not to me, I don't need 
> it, but someone who could have paid $700 and enjoyed a nice bike to ride. 

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Re: [RBW] Crash Stories

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You all need one of these:


I wore one of these back in the day … but without a ponytail.

--Eric Norris
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@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> I could see The Ponytail Helmet (TM) as having a vertical opening, about two 
> inches wide, going from the top of head to top of neck, so you could 
> accommodate any placement of ponytail, except for a side-pony (hey, perhaps a 
> second product idea?).  Me?--I have short curly hair, so I'm going with a 
> hairmet.
> 
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:49:19 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> John, this was worth the watch - I laughed out loud on my walk like a fool.  
> 
> I think The Ponytail Helmet (TM) is more aesthetically appealing, however. 
> And no prescription necessary. 藍藍藍 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
> > On Mar 27, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Surlyprof > wrote: 
> > 
> > Leah, 
> > 
> > Your video reminded me of the “hairmet” on The TV show Scrubs.  
> > https://youtu.be/OL0GkcO05JE  
> > 
> > John 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Stories

[Roberta]

I could see The Ponytail Helmet (TM) as having a vertical opening, about 
two inches wide, going from the top of head to top of neck, so you could 
accommodate any placement of ponytail, except for a side-pony (hey, perhaps 
a second product idea?).  Me?--I have short curly hair, so I'm going with a 
hairmet.

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:49:19 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>
> John, this was worth the watch - I laughed out loud on my walk like a 
> fool.  
>
> I think The Ponytail Helmet (TM) is more aesthetically appealing, however. 
> And no prescription necessary. 藍藍藍 
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On Mar 27, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Surlyprof > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Leah, 
> > 
> > Your video reminded me of the “hairmet” on The TV show Scrubs.  
> https://youtu.be/OL0GkcO05JE 
> > 
> > John 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Mustard

[Clayton.sf]

Price drop. $800. shipped to CONUS. 

Clayton Scott
HBG,CA

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:58:02 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Have a 52cm Clem Mustard H frame (high top tube) for sale.
> It is in almost new condition except for a scratch in the downbube.
> Straight, never crashed, no rust and frame savered.
> One thing to note is that it takes a 27.0 seat post. This is how it came 
> to me straight from Rivendell HQ.
> I am including a Nitto Crystal Fellow (single bolt) in 27.0 250mm with it 
> (or a black vintage XT post 330mm also made by nitto if you need a longer 
> one).
> Headset and BB are included too.
> $850 shipped to CONUS. Attached some pictured of the full the build.
>
> Best,
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
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[RBW] How do you ride alone?

[rob markwardt]

Greetings,
I ride solo almost everyday. I never get bored and If I didn’t have a family I 
could see myself creeping into Freddy Hoffman territory.  Almost 95% of my 
rides are out and backs from my Seattle home and none of them are ever exactly 
the same path. I have several basic ride “routes” and usually leave with a plan 
but my a red light or a whim can alter my course in a 180 direction. 
   I do like to listen to music on long trails. If I don’t have my phone 
songs/jingles/old army marching riffs often go on repeat in my brain.  I used 
to run marathons and ultras so I’m used to using repetitive sounds to get in a 
zone.  
   I’ve also used other mind games to mix it up. Example:  I’ll sometimes pick 
a destination across town and will try a riding in a pattern to get there 
(1block north, 1 block east, repeat til you there and see how close you get).  
Another thing I sometimes do is follow all roads that go up. In our hilly area 
this can take you to some really scenic spots and is also a great workout.  
I’ve also looked up the steepest hills in the city and have done rides climbing 
as many as I can find...we’ve got some steep ones!!
  The main thing I do though is take pictures. There is always something 
interesting to see and it motivates me to keep exploring and find new 
places/things...,evidence in the links below.  
   Enough words...I’m going for a ride. 

https://www.instagram.com/robmarkwardt/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/


Rob Markwardt 
Seattle
  

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[RBW] Semi-OT: chambray

[Jay Lonner]

I just pulled my trusty MUSA blue chambray shirt out of the wash and it is 
on its last legs, so to speak - significant fraying at the cuffs and 
collar, worn elbows, missing buttons. I happened to get Grant on the phone 
yesterday during a call to HQ on an unrelated matter, and when I pivoted to 
this topic he indicated that new ones aren't in the pipeline. Any 
suggestions on where to source a replacement that checks many/most of the 
boxes of the original? There are commodity-grade options available from the 
usual suspects (Carhartt, Duluth Trading, etc.) but I really love the 
synergy of that supple Japanese chambray while supporting living wage 
domestic craftspeople.

Alternatively, does anyone have the genuine article for sale in size XL?

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[Joe Bernard]

I hope this person who also owns an Atlantis and clearly knows what they bought 
is willing to budge a LOT off that price. Not to me, I don't need it, but 
someone who could have paid $700 and enjoyed a nice bike to ride. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[David B]

Guessing someone got it at $700 and is flipping it. 

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:31:36 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's back. Now in Santa Cruz with a rack and bag added at double the price 
> 路 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-bicycle-works/7099658154.html

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[RBW] Re: Speed wobble

[Friend]

Interesting.  I ride Antelope Hills.

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:33:53 PM UTC-4, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
>
> I had the same issue with my Hilsen when using a brevet bag with very 
> moderate weight and rack. I since no longer use that set up but shimmy 
> persisted. 
>
> The culprit ended up being the tires–my beloved Jack Brown greens. Bike 
> shop said tires vary in how "true" they're manufactured–to use my own 
> terminology, some manufacturers being better than other. Ever since, I've 
> been riding Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and Continental Grand Prix 4's and 
> shimmy's gone away. 
>
> Jus' sayin'.
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie
>
>
> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 9:01:24 PM UTC-5, Friend wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have suggestions for correcting a wobble I get when I ride 
>> with no hands?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Stories

[Leah Peterson]

John, this was worth the watch - I laughed out loud on my walk like a fool. 

I think The Ponytail Helmet (TM) is more aesthetically appealing, however. And 
no prescription necessary. 藍藍藍

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> 
> Your video reminded me of the “hairmet” on The TV show Scrubs.  
> https://youtu.be/OL0GkcO05JE
> 
> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Stories

[Surlyprof]

Leah,

Your video reminded me of the “hairmet” on The TV show Scrubs.  
https://youtu.be/OL0GkcO05JE

John

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[RBW] Re: Speed wobble

[Sean on Bike]

I had the same issue with my Hilsen when using a brevet bag with very 
moderate weight and rack. I since no longer use that set up but shimmy 
persisted. 

The culprit ended up being the tires–my beloved Jack Brown greens. Bike 
shop said tires vary in how "true" they're manufactured–to use my own 
terminology, some manufacturers being better than other. Ever since, I've 
been riding Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and Continental Grand Prix 4's and 
shimmy's gone away. 

Jus' sayin'.

Sean in Eden Prairie


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> Does anyone have suggestions for correcting a wobble I get when I ride 
> with no hands?
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

[Leah Peterson]

Yes, Joe is right, the bracket is much stiffer than I anticipated. I really 
thought I’d be able to bend that sucker into place, but it’s fairly unyielding. 
Yes, I can have my husband try to manhandle it, but since it’s so thick I’m 
afraid we won’t get bent in the right shape and it will be a rattle trap mess. 
Also, the kind of guy he is is a “good enough” and I want it perfect.  Given 
the fact that we’re sharing close quarters in this shut down, best to keep on 
good terms! 藍

Sent from my iPhone

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> That's interesting advice, masmojo. I pictured the bracket being stiffer, 
> but they're very light so I bet you're right that it should be pretty easy 
> for her to bend down around the curve of the fender. You can do the job, 
> Leah! 
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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[Joe Bernard]

It's back. Now in Santa Cruz with a rack and bag added at double the price 路

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-bicycle-works/7099658154.html

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

[Joe Bernard]

That's interesting advice, masmojo. I pictured the bracket being stiffer, but 
they're very light so I bet you're right that it should be pretty easy for her 
to bend down around the curve of the fender. You can do the job, Leah! 

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[RBW] Re: [650B] Blogging in the age of COVID - four part blog series on metal fender installation

[Cody Bartz]

Great info, thank you for sharing, and thank you Anton for the resource!

Cody
Key West, FL

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[RBW] First Ride Thoughts on my new Sam Hillborne

[Surlyprof]

Congrats on the Sam, Nathan.  I have an older, orange 56 canti-Sam and almost 
every ride has the same impact that your first ride did.  Even if I’m not up 
for a ride or feel like I’m going for a ride just to get the exercise, a 
transformation Usually occurs.  At some point in the ride (usually earlier than 
later) I realize that I’m authentically enjoying myself.  Happens almost every 
time.  This can often lead to longer rides, faster rides and, the occasional 
phone call from my wife asking, “Hey. Where are you?  I thought you were only 
going out for an hour.”

Enjoy the ride.
John

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

[masmojo]

Leah, terribly sorry I somehow missed this thread otherwise could have solved 
your dilemma days ago or in one of the emails I  clobbered you with the last 
couple days.
I have the black versions of those very same fenders on my Polyvalent. The 
mounting point on the Polyvalent is different though & just required a screw 
straight through. 
In any case pity I don't live close because it would literally taken me a 
minute to fix that. Presumably reading through this you've got the bracket from 
VO already; I am assuming you would have gotten one originally & your inept 
mechanic just didn't know what to do with it!? It should look like a silver 
version if this:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/i7ewgztjUSMNjic17

Did it come with a screw or bolt or something? If not you can go to Lowes or HD 
& get the things you need.

1 screw - cap head allen screw M5 x 16mm should be long enough (maybe a little 
longer just in case) I suggest stainless steel.

One M5 nylock nut stainless steel if possible 

Probably some appropriately sized washers would be good as well.

With these items in hand sneak up on unsuspecting bicycle and insert screw 
through bracket and small hole on the frame bridge. Attach with washer & nut, 
but do not tighten. Lower bracket down until it contacts the fender. This 
bracket isn't super strong once it's on the bike & against the fender there 
should be enough resistance to bend it with your fingers. If this proves 
difficult maybe your husband or a neighbor could manage!? Once you get is sort 
of bent around the edge of the fender you could gently clamp it down more with 
some pliers. It doesn't need to be super tight just snug. If you want it not to 
rattle you could slip a piece of cut up inner tube or something in between the 
bracket & fender prior to bending the little tabs then clamp down a little 
tighter. Once you've done this you can finish tightening the nut on the screw.

I certainly hope that makes sense!? And I'm sorry you don't have any competent 
bike shops around there. I've been working on bikes since I was 6 so sometimes 
it's hard for me to understand how things like this happen. 樂

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[RBW] Re: PSA Atlantis Arlington, MA

[Christopher Cote]

Yep, looks just like my 56cm Toyo. I believe that was outed here or on the ibob 
list when it was listed by The Pro's Closet. That looks like a pretty good deal.

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed wobble

[Friend]

This is happening on the Homer.  It has a large saddle bag but when I was 
riding yesterday, with maybe 5 or 7 pounds on the rear rack, it still had 
wobble going about 12mph.  I did buy it used but it's the factory fork.  I 
think it may also have something to do with the handlebars.  They are 
albastache on a dirt drop stem so they are pretty high off the steering 
column.  

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:11:19 PM UTC-4, lambbo wrote:
>
> Dearest Friend, 
>
> Is this happening on the used Homer you bought or the new-from-riv 
> Appaloosa?   I bought my Cheviot used on this list, and it got speed wobble 
> at certain speeds down hills.  Later, I got in an accident and bought a new 
> fork from Rivendell, and the bike no longer wobbles.  I don't know if it 
> was that I re-installed the fork and messed with the headset, or if it was 
> the new fork.   
>
> Good luck! 
>
>
> On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 2:56:53 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> Yeah. That is my experience as well. 
>> Mostly it's about the weight between fore/aft. 
>> They tend to be speed-specific. They'll happen at 18 mph, but not at 17, 
>> for example.
>>
>> Jobst wrote some (fairly strongly opinionated) missives about this - this 
>> came up first: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shimmy.html
>>
>> The only time I've had a wobble was one brevet on the Hilsen, in which 
>> I'd aft-loaded 2x the amount of planned gear due to a weather change, had 
>> nothing on the front, and sat up as I crested a hill and glided no handed. 
>> Got a wiggle-wiggle-wiggle and shifted forward slightly, at which point 
>> it stopped. I never managed to reproduce it with more mindful loading.
>>
>> Ride buddy JimG had a long struggle with his Kogswell on this topic - he 
>> had documented it well, which ought to be searchable through his site - 
>> http://yojimg.net/bike/  
>>
>> Jim / cyclofiend
>>
>> On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 4:46:49 AM UTC-7, Peter White wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never found that wheel alignment, which is actually frame 
>>> alignment, has any effect on wobble. If the frame is out of alignment the 
>>> two wheels will not follow the same line when the bike is moving in a 
>>> straight line. For example, if the rear wheel is tracking to the right of 
>>> the front wheel when moving in a straight line, the bike will tend to turn 
>>> towards the right. This is easiest to feel when riding no hands. But this 
>>> won't cause the bike to wobble.
>>>
>>> Peter White
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 9:48 PM Fryett  wrote:
>>>
 Are you wheels perfectly aligned within the frame?

 On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 7:01:24 PM UTC-7, Friend wrote:
>
> Does anyone have suggestions for correcting a wobble I get when I ride 
> with no hands?
>
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>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How do you ride alone?

[masmojo]

I ride alone 95% of the time; especially since my local Rivendell/Surly/All 
City sort of hipster shops all closed down. I used to like going on their 
weekend rides. 
I find myself not working currently so I can ride during the week, middle of 
the day, whenever.

I like the exercise aspect of riding, because I am trying to slowly lose the 
dad bod, but really I just like to be "out there" on my bike. Alone with my 
thoughts. I do find it's good to take a little snack, more so as I get a little 
older, instead of the way I used to ride when I was younger, take nothing with 
me & just assume there would be water fountains & convenience stores along the 
way. 
I love all things mechanical, the elegant simplicity & efficiency of a bicyle 
really resonate with my soul. When the bike is working well & I feel good it's 
quite magical. 

I do quite enjoy useful trips on my bike and incorporating errands into my 
rides. Yesterday was a shakedown of my new Crust Titanium Evasion, but I also 
went to the Post Office, then a bike shop and ultimately hammered out 30 miles. 
Felt pretty exhausting in the 90° heat & 20 mph wind.
Probably the main thing I enjoyed about working was it gave me a good excuse to 
ride as much as possible. The job itself was sort of secondary to my getting 
there & back! 

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