Re: [RBW] Fire Season Smoke Ridin' Tips

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Check your local air quality monitors. There may be high levels of particulates 
even if you can’t see them. These tiny particles lodge themselves deep in your 
lungs and can cause great damage. If the air quality is bad, use an N-95 mask. 

–Eric N


> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:15 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who's got tips for riding in the smoke of fires, far enough away there is 
> minimal particulate (so not slicing up lungs), but still significant smoke? 
> Mine:
> 
> - Shift down 1-2 or more gears and breath no harder than if you were walking. 
> Except when the mountain won't let you, then you have to decide.
> 
> - Nose breath exclusively.
> 
> - I've tried a mask and it only help if having to ride where the fire is 
> close enough for particulates to be prevelant.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Joe Bernard]

Knowledge is power. Both can be scary!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

Whew, I’m glad to have that clarified, and thank you, John. 

I did my 10 miler tonight and I think the ticking is mostly resolved. It was a 
windy night, and I was moving pretty quickly and there were a lot of people out 
and about, so it was difficult to really hear. I think I did hear some small 
ticking maybe 8 miles in, but it was aberrant. I’m hoping the T9 works its way 
deeper into the crevices. I have real stem grease coming via Amazon tomorrow - 
do you all think I should add that to the stem/bar interface as well? 

Thanks for all the help today; I’m getting more of an understanding about how 
stuff works on the bike. It’s both enlightening and terrifying - can I admit 
that here among all these enthusiasts? Why should more knowledge be terrifying? 
Well, I used to ride bikes without thought as to what could go wrong. Little 
noises weren’t even noticed. But the more I know, the more I realize can go 
wrong. 

This week lots went wrong on the bike. A couple nights ago I was headed down 
Killer Hill at speed and noticed that my Edelux headlight had some play in it. 
Huh, I thought, I don’t remember it moving like that... It all got worse fast, 
so I came to a screeching halt in time for something silver and round to fall 
off from the light mount, as the light hung loosely from it. I realized that 
the silver hoop was one of two parts, and the other, an inch long rod-type 
thing was missing. I backtracked and found the little silver rod up the hill a 
ways (WHEW) and put it back the way I thought it should go. 

Shaken up by THAT but determined the show must go on, I mounted my bike, and 
set off rather gingerly, as I feared the light mount loosening again. I pushed 
off, towards a crossing and was nearly run down by an SUV whose driver decided 
to run a stop sign. After some unpleasantries between us (I admit to nothing), 
I was then forced to suffer the indignity of being passed by a Roadie who was 
at least 20 years my senior.

If you still don’t feel sorry for me, I will add the final straw was taking a 
turn too tightly and hearing the sickening sound of metal scraping concrete 
while feeling the bike underneath me skitter sideways. Pedal strike. With my 
light mount barely holding and my pedal now noticeably scuffed, I pointed my 
bike towards home. 

Last night, the ticking in my bars was obnoxious and I was about to start 
getting tics of my own. Arriving home, I set to work with my hex wrenches 
trying to see where the noise was coming from. I found several loose things, 
also disturbing. I came inside, started this thread and went to bed at midnight.

After swapping the stem a couple times today and all the futzing around and 
guesswork, I envisioned the bike coming apart beneath me on tonight’s descent. 
But, hey, everything held!

So, thanks for all the help; I’m in need of it and I have learned a LOT from 
this group. But I still maintain that knowing more is frightening.

Leah







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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:12 PM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah
> 
> I'm sorry if "defective" implied "unsafe".  I meant the stem does not meet 
> it's design and hence is defective.  The Nitto design of the nut and shelf 
> interface has a small of margin of error, since the hex nut has short flats.
> 
> I do NOT think the stem is unsafe to ride since you used a wrench on the bolt 
> to obtain adequate clamp force, and the creak is not present.
> 
> If it was on my bike, I would use it and if the creak started again, place a 
> star washer under the bolt to prevent loosening.  The creak is your 'clamp 
> too loose' indicator.
> 
> Alternatively, contact and RBW and see what if this covered by their return 
> policy.
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>> 
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[RBW] Fire Season Smoke Ridin' Tips

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Who's got tips for riding in the smoke of fires, far enough away there is 
minimal particulate (so not slicing up lungs), but still significant smoke? 
Mine:

- Shift down 1-2 or more gears and breath no harder than if you were walking. 
Except when the mountain won't let you, then you have to decide.

- Nose breath exclusively.

- I've tried a mask and it only help if having to ride where the fire is close 
enough for particulates to be prevelant.

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
www.DeaconPatrick.org
www.CatholicHalos.org
www.ShepherdsandHalos.org

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[RBW] Biggest Tires on a Roadini?

[lambbo]

Bon Jons...basically better than Bon Jovi.I've run Jack Browns, which are 
nice, and the Compass 28s, but Bon Jons are the sweet spot. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Cape Recommendation

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

I also have a cleverhood and love it. Built in reflective lines for night
visibility and nice style as well. Covers me, my legs, and the bike, if
needed. Has thumb loops to keep it on/covering your hands and it also has
magnetic closure arm holes for walking around, etc. Solid product and I use
it everyone it rains on my daily commute.

A

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:20 PM Gustavo Vasquez  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have the Agu Rain Poncho and love it, but I rarely bike in the rain.
> Impulse buy in the Netherlands, wish I bought a brighter color than black
> though.
>
> https://agu.com/eu/grant-poncho-essential
>
>
> I’m only issue seeing the cleverhood is that does it fully cover your
> knees/legs? The Agu covers everything including the bike.
>
> Gustavo
> Santa Rosa, CA
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Benjamin L. Kelley 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I have a Cleverhood regular/original? I won in a give away years back.
> Waterproofing is great.  Mine is DWR coated ripstop multicam with red
> accents.  (Not my first choice but it was what was in the giveaway).
> Zippers are waterproof. Has plenty of reflective accents.
> Has some condensation/heat build up issues when using it in the hot summer
> here in KC and in NYC.  But did well for winter/spring commuting in NYC on
> top of my insulative layers.
> Definitely need fenders and maybe rain pants/gaiters depending on how bad
> of drainage your riding area has.  I was commuting over/ along the East
> River, so the wind off the river made rain pants necessary otherwise my
> pant legs were soaked from the knee down.
>
> --ben
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:10 PM Drew Henson  wrote:
>
>> it's june-uary here in seattle so i'm thinking about bike ponchos, this
>> thread has been helpful. anyone have any experience with this cleverhood?
>> it has a waterproof rating listed but it seems like it's on the low end of
>> the spectrum, the cleverlite seems pretty decent too.
>>
>>
>> https://www.cleverhood.com/shop/rainwear/classic-rain-poncho/mens-cape-with-hood-john-brown/
>>
>> i'd probably just splurge for the faiweather one if it had reflective
>> accents like some others. the J one seems kinda short based on the
>> pictures on the site but it's hard to judge.
>>
>> Anyone used this one? Seems decent as well.
>>
>> https://www.backcountrygear.com/daypack-bike-poncho-1.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyNjHzLiJ6gIV0hx9Ch0ujAUREAQYAiABEgLEVvD_BwE
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[RBW] Biggest Tires on a Roadini?

[Bones]

A related question: what is everyone’s favorite tire for their Roadini? I have 
one incoming one of these days, and I was intending on throwing on some Jack 
Brown greens, so I could maybe sneak some fenders on there if I felt like it 
(will be using Paul centerpulls btw). I’ll be using mine nearly all on paved 
roads, and I just want a comfy ride. I’ve run Barlow ELs and currently run 
Snoqualmie ELs on my Sam and I love em. I probably will not use fenders anyway, 
and I’m wondering if I should do Bon Jons instead...

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

[Ryan M.]

I think my favorite name for a Riv was the Yves Gomez. It's a bike I never 
bought but I loved everything about it. 

Least favorite name is a toss up...Roadeo or Quickbeam. I owned a Roadeo 
and loved it, never a Quickbeam though. Just don't like the names. 

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 9:17:21 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Or, “Let’s Fight About Something On Topic!” 
>
> Let’s hear your most and least favorite Rivendell model names. No name 
> calling, even about the names. 
>
> What is your favorite Rivendell model name? Mine is Legolas. It’s real 
> hard to separate out the bike itself from the name for me. For example, I 
> don’t like the Sam Hillborn name, but that might be because it sounded like 
> a downmarket A. Homer Hilsen. On the other hand, I LOVE the name Platypus, 
> and want one of those bikes no matter what it looks like! 
>
> Hunqapillar - how genius is that?! 
> Wolbis Slugstone, though? My least favorite, in a walk. 
>
> I only ask because I found this anonymous poll about Rivendell model 
> names: https://forms.gle/FEf5TeFkr4fZQdxEA 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Cape Recommendation

[Gustavo Vasquez]

Hi! 

I have the Agu Rain Poncho and love it, but I rarely bike in the rain. Impulse 
buy in the Netherlands, wish I bought a brighter color than black though. 

https://agu.com/eu/grant-poncho-essential


I’m only issue seeing the cleverhood is that does it fully cover your 
knees/legs? The Agu covers everything including the bike. 

Gustavo 
Santa Rosa, CA
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Benjamin L. Kelley  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a Cleverhood regular/original? I won in a give away years back.  
> Waterproofing is great.  Mine is DWR coated ripstop multicam with red 
> accents.  (Not my first choice but it was what was in the giveaway). Zippers 
> are waterproof. Has plenty of reflective accents.
> Has some condensation/heat build up issues when using it in the hot summer 
> here in KC and in NYC.  But did well for winter/spring commuting in NYC on 
> top of my insulative layers.
> Definitely need fenders and maybe rain pants/gaiters depending on how bad of 
> drainage your riding area has.  I was commuting over/ along the East River, 
> so the wind off the river made rain pants necessary otherwise my pant legs 
> were soaked from the knee down.
> 
> --ben
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:10 PM Drew Henson  wrote:
>> it's june-uary here in seattle so i'm thinking about bike ponchos, this 
>> thread has been helpful. anyone have any experience with this cleverhood? it 
>> has a waterproof rating listed but it seems like it's on the low end of the 
>> spectrum, the cleverlite seems pretty decent too.
>> 
>> https://www.cleverhood.com/shop/rainwear/classic-rain-poncho/mens-cape-with-hood-john-brown/
>> 
>> i'd probably just splurge for the faiweather one if it had reflective 
>> accents like some others. the J one seems kinda short based on the 
>> pictures on the site but it's hard to judge. 
>> 
>> Anyone used this one? Seems decent as well.
>> https://www.backcountrygear.com/daypack-bike-poncho-1.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyNjHzLiJ6gIV0hx9Ch0ujAUREAQYAiABEgLEVvD_BwE
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[RBW] Biggest Tires on a Roadini?

[David B]

38mm Panaracer Gravelkings (on 22mm external width rims) fit comfortably with 
Shimano brakes. Definitely acceptable clearances. 

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[RBW] Re: Front derailleur help

[aeroperf]

My 2015 Sam came with a 9-speed cassette and a wide low 40/26 crank. The 
derailleur was a Shimano Claris FD-2400 B clamp-on.
I replaced it when I went to a 3-speed front crank, but is this what you’re 
looking for?  I still have it, but it was on the bike for 2 years.  So, not 
new.
https://bike.shimano.com/en-NZ/product/component/claris-2400/FD-2400-B.html


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[RBW] Re: Biggest Tires on a Roadini?

[Erik Wright]

Yeah I'm running 700x35 Bon Jon Pass tires and clearance is comfortable. 
You *could* probably squeeze a 700x38 Barlow Pass in there, but to Bill's 
point, the clearance would be pretty tight. It depends on brake choice, 
too- I have a Tektro 539 in the front that I don't think would accept a 
700x38 tire, but the Shimano BR-something or other on the rear likely would.

Erik, Philly

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:58:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The largest 700c tire I would run on a Roadini would be the 700x35 Bon Jon 
> Pass EL, which is a far more plush tire than a Jack Brown.  I would not be 
> surprised if somebody claimed to have run a Barlow Pass 700x38.  The Barlow 
> pass can run a tiny bit wider than 40mm on some rims, and for that reason 
> I'd never recommend the Barlow Pass on a Roadini or any bike that takes 
> brakes with similar typical clearance.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:06:02 AM UTC-7, Robert Gardner wrote:
>>
>> Hello Hello --
>>
>> Wondering what folks are running on their Roadini. I have Jack Browns and 
>> they are a great tire, but looking at options, wondering what folks are 
>> running? Anyone in the 40s?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Cape Recommendation

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

I have a Cleverhood regular/original? I won in a give away years back.
Waterproofing is great.  Mine is DWR coated ripstop multicam with red
accents.  (Not my first choice but it was what was in the giveaway).
Zippers are waterproof. Has plenty of reflective accents.
Has some condensation/heat build up issues when using it in the hot summer
here in KC and in NYC.  But did well for winter/spring commuting in NYC on
top of my insulative layers.
Definitely need fenders and maybe rain pants/gaiters depending on how bad
of drainage your riding area has.  I was commuting over/ along the East
River, so the wind off the river made rain pants necessary otherwise my
pant legs were soaked from the knee down.

--ben



On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:10 PM Drew Henson  wrote:

> it's june-uary here in seattle so i'm thinking about bike ponchos, this
> thread has been helpful. anyone have any experience with this cleverhood?
> it has a waterproof rating listed but it seems like it's on the low end of
> the spectrum, the cleverlite seems pretty decent too.
>
>
> https://www.cleverhood.com/shop/rainwear/classic-rain-poncho/mens-cape-with-hood-john-brown/
>
> i'd probably just splurge for the faiweather one if it had reflective
> accents like some others. the J one seems kinda short based on the
> pictures on the site but it's hard to judge.
>
> Anyone used this one? Seems decent as well.
>
> https://www.backcountrygear.com/daypack-bike-poncho-1.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyNjHzLiJ6gIV0hx9Ch0ujAUREAQYAiABEgLEVvD_BwE
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Evan E.]

Hi Rich S.,

"Evan, your Austro-Daimler is stunning. Did you restore it?"

^ Thanks! I bought it as a frame, from Craigslist. The only restoration per 
se is the new decals. I bought them from a decal maker in Australia.

-Evan

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[RBW] Re: FS: Touring / Bikepacking Stuffs -- Big Agnes Tents, Snow Peak Ti Cookset, ...

[Jack K]

Updated FS list below:


   - *NEW! Big Agnes ***Bikepack* Copper Spur HV UL1 Tent: *2 lb 12 oz 
   including all stakes, guy lines and the stuff sack covered in "daisy chain" 
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   taking, then I switched recumbents and this was about an inch too long to 
   fit under the frame of the new bike, so I switched to the Bikepack version 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

I'm sorry if "defective" implied "unsafe".  I meant the stem does not meet 
it's design and hence is defective.  The Nitto design of the nut and shelf 
interface has a small of margin of error, since the hex nut has short flats.

I do NOT think the stem is unsafe to ride since you used a wrench on the 
bolt to obtain adequate clamp force, and the creak is not present.

If it was on my bike, I would use it and if the creak started again, place 
a star washer under the bolt to prevent loosening.  The creak is your 
'clamp too loose' indicator.

Alternatively, contact and RBW and see what if this covered by their return 
policy.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Doug Hansford]

Wrenching bikes as needed can be frustrating but it's fun too. Lone Wolf 
Leah you are tuned to every single noise a bike makes, just as I am. I 
think there was a time I didn't focus so much on noises; but, as I started 
installing and switching out parts I think I paid more attention to noises 
and such. I had to really torque a single bolt stem when I used the Bosco 
bars because they apply such force to the connection based on leverage I 
guess. I hope you get it solved.
Doug Hansford

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 3:48:36 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, my heart is warmed anyway!  Clearly I did not read that post 
> correctly! 
>
> I ordered the triangle nut from Riv already, but thank you. Also, you’re 
> the second person to have said you had a Tall Boy stem and got rid of it. 
> But why? I adore this tall stem and can’t get used to anything less now. I 
> had the 225 mm Technomic on this morning and I just hated it. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:43 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
> 
> OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
> entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can 
> replace the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is 
> concerned, I used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my 
> parts box(es) and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else 
> in the past.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
>> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
>> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your 
>> son's bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for 
>> the asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this 
>>> stem - where do I get it?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>>> new.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>>
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>>
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:


> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, 
> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
> hold still 

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[George Schick]

Leah - it all has to do with your frame dimensions and how high you want 
the bars to be.  I can't recall how I wound up with that stem in the first 
place, but it turned out to be way too long for the way I wanted to set up 
a particular bike.  So, at the first opportunity I passed it along to the 
next cyclist who needed it.


On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:48:36 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, my heart is warmed anyway!  Clearly I did not read that post 
> correctly! 
>
> I ordered the triangle nut from Riv already, but thank you. Also, you’re 
> the second person to have said you had a Tall Boy stem and got rid of it. 
> But why? I adore this tall stem and can’t get used to anything less now. I 
> had the 225 mm Technomic on this morning and I just hated it. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:43 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
> 
> OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
> entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can 
> replace the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is 
> concerned, I used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my 
> parts box(es) and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else 
> in the past.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
>> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
>> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your 
>> son's bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for 
>> the asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this 
>>> stem - where do I get it?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>>> new.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>>
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>>
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>>
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:


> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, 
> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>

 Laing 

>>>
>>> -- 
>>> You 

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

George, my heart is warmed anyway!  Clearly I did not read that post 
correctly! 

I ordered the triangle nut from Riv already, but thank you. Also, you’re the 
second person to have said you had a Tall Boy stem and got rid of it. But why? 
I adore this tall stem and can’t get used to anything less now. I had the 225 
mm Technomic on this morning and I just hated it. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:43 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
> entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can replace 
> the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is concerned, I 
> used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my parts box(es) 
> and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else in the past.
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
>> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
>> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
>> Leah
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your son's 
>>> bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for the 
>>> asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
 - where do I get it?
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> Here is what you should have:
> 
> 
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were 
>> purchased new.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should 
>>> by all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>> 
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>> 
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> 
> ++1 on this.
> 
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten 
> the allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does 
> not rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem 
> for the nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
> 
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to 
> prevent galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>> 
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on 
>>> it when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
>>> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem 
>>> that you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen 
>>> wrench, that is likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>> 
>> Laing 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

PS Yes, I plan to replace the stem. It’s not possible now as they are only at 
SomaFab and the 50 is sold out in 280 mm height. 

Also,  someone asked about how high I have the bars. I don’t have the stem 
minimally inserted - there is a healthy distance between my chosen setting and 
the max height line. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> So, I took most of the advice here so far. Including that I swapped back to 
> the Tall Boy stem after using some T9 at the stem/bar interface. I used a 
> wrench to ensure the bolt was truly tight and I rode around the neighborhood. 
> All is silent.
> 
> I’m still concerned about the safety of the stem because John and Joe both 
> consider my stem suspect. I also know Nitto has issues now and then with QC. 
> John - I’d do that visual inspection and even send you the photos/video but 
> now that I’ve got everything set up again I’m leaving it. I hope it’s not 
> dangerous. Kind of the worst thing to go on your bike, you know? *Shudder.*
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> 
>> In this case the noise is definitely at the clamp, I saw a video where she  
>> loosened the clamp enough to move the bars up and down and the creak turned 
>> DEAFENING. This is WAY unusual to me and I've worked with dozens of Nitto 
>> stem/bar combinations, but here we are. A. I hope grease cures it for now. 
>> B. I don't trust that stem. She needs a new one. 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[George Schick]

OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can 
replace the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is 
concerned, I used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my 
parts box(es) and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else 
in the past.


On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
> 
> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your son's 
> bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for the 
> asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
>> - where do I get it?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here is what you should have:
>>
>> 
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>> new.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>
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>>  
>> 
>> .
>> 
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> ++1 on this.
>>
>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>
>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 

 Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
 when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
 some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
 hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
 problem - the stem bolt was never tight.

>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

So, I took most of the advice here so far. Including that I swapped back to the 
Tall Boy stem after using some T9 at the stem/bar interface. I used a wrench to 
ensure the bolt was truly tight and I rode around the neighborhood. All is 
silent.

I’m still concerned about the safety of the stem because John and Joe both 
consider my stem suspect. I also know Nitto has issues now and then with QC. 
John - I’d do that visual inspection and even send you the photos/video but now 
that I’ve got everything set up again I’m leaving it. I hope it’s not 
dangerous. Kind of the worst thing to go on your bike, you know? *Shudder.*

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> In this case the noise is definitely at the clamp, I saw a video where she  
> loosened the clamp enough to move the bars up and down and the creak turned 
> DEAFENING. This is WAY unusual to me and I've worked with dozens of Nitto 
> stem/bar combinations, but here we are. A. I hope grease cures it for now. B. 
> I don't trust that stem. She needs a new one. 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. But 
thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
Leah

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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your son's 
> bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for the 
> asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
>> where do I get it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
 Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
 Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
> 
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>> 
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not 
>>> rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the 
>>> nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>> 
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to 
>>> prevent galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>> 
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
 
> 
> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
> 
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that 
> you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that 
> is likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
 
 Laing 
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[RBW] FS - Riv Pocket T-shirt, Men’s Medium - $30

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The shirt has been sold. Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Joe Bernard]

In this case the noise is definitely at the clamp, I saw a video where she  
loosened the clamp enough to move the bars up and down and the creak turned 
DEAFENING. This is WAY unusual to me and I've worked with dozens of Nitto 
stem/bar combinations, but here we are. A. I hope grease cures it for now. B. I 
don't trust that stem. She needs a new one. 

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[RBW] BUMP. WTB 59 MIT Atlantis

[Michael Williams]

Just throwing this out there again if anyone has one that they’re not riding 
too much.Thanks.   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[tuolumne bikes]

Regarding the nut, hex or otherwise. I've never needed to put a wrench on 
it, but if it were spinning, I would. If you can get the bolt tight, it 
works fine regardless of how the nut was restrained while tightening it. If 
I worked in a bike shop, I'd hold the nut with a wrench to avoid putting a 
nick in the bottom of someone else's stem.

Regarding the creaks. Quill to steel steerer tube has always been greased 
because steel rusts. Using a super long quill with minimal insertion might 
be cause for creaking there, since the lever arm from the top of the stem 
about the top of the quill/steerer interface is so long. Nitto would get 
the blame since they make the long quill stems, but it's not really an 
indicator that the stem is faulty.

There are two (significant) ways the bars exert force on the bar/stem 
interface. The center of the bars can deform slightly due to 
up/down/forward/rearward forces on the bars, and the bars can rotate in the 
clamp. Back in the day road bars were 40-42 cm wide plus or minus. Many 
bars are much wider now, so the lever arm for up/down/forward/rearward is 
longer. Similarly for bars with long backsweep, especially Boscos, the 
lever arm for rotation of the bars in the clamp is much longer. The 
stresses of "big bars" are larger at the clamp.

I've never lubed the bar to stem interface in forty years and creaking 
hasn't been an issue until using wide Albastache bars. They creak if I pull 
hard on them, I ignore so far. Seems like the sleeve/bar interface would be 
the more likely culprit, so maybe I'll try some chain lube there.

As an experiment, you could try riding your creaky bars hard and bumpy in 
the narrower/more forward position to see if you can get a creak. That 
won't solve the creaking problem, but would prove the point about the lever 
arm. 

Carl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

>From the video:
1. The stem seems to have excessive distance from the bolt to the 'shelf" 
which stops the nut rotation. The excessive distance allows the nut to 
rotate when tightened

2 The "shelf" flat appears straight and does not have a rounded out center, 
as would occur if the bolt was over torqued and caused the nut to 'tear' 
through the Al body.  This needs a close visual exam to verify, the video 
was not close enough.  Whoever installed the original or a later bar may 
have over-tightened it

Clearly, the stem is designed to capture the nut, as others have stated.  
So your stem appears to have a manufacturing defect or less likely was over 
torqued and tore thru the Al.

You have 2 courses of action, if you ruled out over-tightening via close 
visual exam:
1.  Use the stem, tightening with a wrench and use a star washer underneath 
to prevent loosening
2.  Contact RBW and explain they sold you a defective stem

 John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[George Schick]

Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your son's 
bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for the 
asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.


On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
> - where do I get it?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Here is what you should have:
>
> 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>
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> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
> ++1 on this.
>
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>>
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>>
>>
>> Laing 
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[RBW] Re: Biggest Tires on a Roadini?

[Bill Lindsay]

The largest 700c tire I would run on a Roadini would be the 700x35 Bon Jon 
Pass EL, which is a far more plush tire than a Jack Brown.  I would not be 
surprised if somebody claimed to have run a Barlow Pass 700x38.  The Barlow 
pass can run a tiny bit wider than 40mm on some rims, and for that reason 
I'd never recommend the Barlow Pass on a Roadini or any bike that takes 
brakes with similar typical clearance.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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> Hello Hello --
>
> Wondering what folks are running on their Roadini. I have Jack Browns and 
> they are a great tire, but looking at options, wondering what folks are 
> running? Anyone in the 40s?
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There are gazillions of stems out there that use a standard nut like this. I’ve 
got a few. The triangle nut is perhaps more elegant, but there’s no reason why 
a hex nut won’t work just as well at the simple job of clamping down on the 
‘bars.

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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:44 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
> 
> 
> When Leah posted about buying her stem, I went out and got one, too (and 
> within a week of her posting).
> Here’s the photo of mine - still in the plastic bag (because I’m going to 
> re-sell it and I wanted it pristine.
> As you can see, it’s a hex nut.
> If I were going to install mine, I would remove the nut entirely and put a 
> star washer under it, then hold it with a wrench to tighten.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

What? You don’t like the Tall Boy? Why are you selling it? If you’re really 
sure, I might want to buy it from you. I just lived and swapped back the Tall 
Boy stem. If I still have that tick, take my money.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
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> within a week of her posting).
> Here’s the photo of mine - still in the plastic bag (because I’m going to 
> re-sell it and I wanted it pristine.
> As you can see, it’s a hex nut.
> If I were going to install mine, I would remove the nut entirely and put a 
> star washer under it, then hold it with a wrench to tighten.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Cape Recommendation

[Drew Henson]

it's june-uary here in seattle so i'm thinking about bike ponchos, this 
thread has been helpful. anyone have any experience with this cleverhood? 
it has a waterproof rating listed but it seems like it's on the low end of 
the spectrum, the cleverlite seems pretty decent too.

https://www.cleverhood.com/shop/rainwear/classic-rain-poncho/mens-cape-with-hood-john-brown/

i'd probably just splurge for the faiweather one if it had reflective 
accents like some others. the J one seems kinda short based on the 
pictures on the site but it's hard to judge. 

Anyone used this one? Seems decent as well.
https://www.backcountrygear.com/daypack-bike-poncho-1.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyNjHzLiJ6gIV0hx9Ch0ujAUREAQYAiABEgLEVvD_BwE

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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Joe Bernard]

"Why are so many opposed to using a simple wrench on a nut as Nitto intended 
for this model stem?"

I don't think it's "opposed" so much as the other Nitto stems - like most 
one-bolt stems - don't work that way. I've had a bunch of both models and don't 
think I've ever used a wrench on that nut, it wouldn't have occurred to me. 

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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[lconley]

Why are so many opposed to using a simple wrench on a nut as Nitto intended 
for this model stem?

A guy who likes using the correct tool for the job.
Laing


On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 1:47:44 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:

> I agree with you aeroperf, there is nothing for the nut to "grab" when 
> tightened down. A star washer or split/lock washer should help.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 1:44:40 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>
>> When Leah posted about buying her stem, I went out and got one, too (and 
>> within a week of her posting).
>> Here’s the photo of mine - still in the plastic bag (because I’m going to 
>> re-sell it and I wanted it pristine.
>> As you can see, it’s a hex nut.
>> If I were going to install mine, I would remove the nut entirely and put 
>> a star washer under it, then hold it with a wrench to tighten.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Doug Hansford]

I agree with you aeroperf, there is nothing for the nut to "grab" when 
tightened down. A star washer or split/lock washer should help.
Doug

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 1:44:40 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> When Leah posted about buying her stem, I went out and got one, too (and 
> within a week of her posting).
> Here’s the photo of mine - still in the plastic bag (because I’m going to 
> re-sell it and I wanted it pristine.
> As you can see, it’s a hex nut.
> If I were going to install mine, I would remove the nut entirely and put a 
> star washer under it, then hold it with a wrench to tighten.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Joe Bernard]

This whole boondoggle reminds me that I'm SO over these stems - no matter how 
pretty they are - and want Analog to make a slightly taller w(Right) Stem in 
silver with the open face clamp and sell it to Leah.*

*I can't add to any of the advice already given here, this is solely a 
complaining post. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[ted]

"Don’t know why this stem chewed up my bars ... "
I don't think this is uncommon. Nitto sells a tool to help avoid it.
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-tool-4-stem-handlebar-clamp-spreader/stem_tool_nitto__870-900-11_870-900-11/product
A large flat head screwdriver, or some such, can sometimes work instead.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Riv shows out of stock so I called and luckily, their crackerjack mechanic 
> answered the phone. Mark said lubricate the interface (stem/bar) and use 
> wrench to stabilize nut. Meanwhile, he found a triangular nut to sell me, 
> so I’ll try that, too. The shelf that the hex nut snugs up against is too 
> shallow. Plus the aluminum must have worn a bit, making the issue worse 
> (that explains the shavings in my hand).
>
> Don’t know why this stem chewed up my bars or why the ticking, but these 
> are reasonable steps. I’m scared of something as important as a stem being 
> defective, and I’d almost just spring for a new one, but there are none 
> available online.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:37 AM, lconley > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Rivendell sells them for $5, or you can just put a wrench on the nut you 
> have.
>
> Laing.
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:35:21 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
>> Rivendell? Anybody who sells Nitto parts should be able to get one.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
>> - where do I get it?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here is what you should have:
>>
>> 
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>> new.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
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>>  
>> 
>> .
>> 
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> ++1 on this.
>>
>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>
>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 

 Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
 when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
 some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
 hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
 problem - the stem bolt was never tight.

>>>
>>> Laing 
>>>
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[RBW] WTB sunrace thumb shifter fiction that clicks

[A. Nostuh]

I need a singular rear derailer shifter, the kind sold by Rivendell 


Please PM me if you have any 

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[RBW] Biggest Tires on a Roadini?

[Robert Gardner]

Hello Hello --

Wondering what folks are running on their Roadini. I have Jack Browns and
they are a great tire, but looking at options, wondering what folks are
running? Anyone in the 40s?

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks, Ted! You are right, it’s a Delux, and that’s the stem that gets the 
triangle nut. However, it doesn’t come in the 280mm height. I’m hopelessly 
ruined for shorter stems now; the 280 is where it’s at! 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:53 AM, ted  wrote:
> 
> 
> The photo Eric posted looks like a Technomic Delux. What you are describing 
> sounds like a plain Technomic.
> If you want to find a 50mm Technomic Delux, I suggest trying Ben's / 
> Milwaukee cycles
> https://www.benscycle.com/
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-technomic-l225-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_technomicl225_870/product
> Excellent source for all things Nitto.
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:33:40 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
>> where do I get it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
 Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
 Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>> 
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not 
>>> rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the 
>>> nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>> 
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to 
>>> prevent galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>> 
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
 
> 
> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
> 
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that 
> you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that 
> is likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
 
 Laing 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

Riv shows out of stock so I called and luckily, their crackerjack mechanic 
answered the phone. Mark said lubricate the interface (stem/bar) and use wrench 
to stabilize nut. Meanwhile, he found a triangular nut to sell me, so I’ll try 
that, too. The shelf that the hex nut snugs up against is too shallow. Plus the 
aluminum must have worn a bit, making the issue worse (that explains the 
shavings in my hand).

Don’t know why this stem chewed up my bars or why the ticking, but these are 
reasonable steps. I’m scared of something as important as a stem being 
defective, and I’d almost just spring for a new one, but there are none 
available online.

Sent from my iPad

>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:37 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> Rivendell sells them for $5, or you can just put a wrench on the nut you have.
> 
> Laing.
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:35:21 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Rivendell? Anybody who sells Nitto parts should be able to get one.
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
>>> where do I get it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
 Here is what you should have:
 
 
 
 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
 
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were 
> purchased new.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should 
>> by all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
 
 ++1 on this.
 
 The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten 
 the allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does 
 not rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for 
 the nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
 
 I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
 designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to 
 prevent galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
 
 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ
 
 On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>> 
>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on 
>> it when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
>> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem 
>> that you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, 
>> that is likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
> 
> Laing 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[ted]

The photo Eric posted looks like a Technomic Delux. What you are describing 
sounds like a plain Technomic.
If you want to find a 50mm Technomic Delux, I suggest trying Ben's / 
Milwaukee cycles
https://www.benscycle.com/
   
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product
   
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-technomic-l225-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_technomicl225_870/product
Excellent source for all things Nitto.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:33:40 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
> - where do I get it?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Here is what you should have:
>
> 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
>
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> 
> .
> 
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
> ++1 on this.
>
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>>
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>>
>>
>> Laing 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[franklyn]

Some models of stem have the triangular nut, whereas others have the 
hexagonal nuts. It's not dangerous as long as it's torqued to the right 
spec. I also had one Nitto stem where the hexagonal nut can't quite stay 
put against the ledge, but I have no issue using a wrench to hold it while 
tightening the bolt down.

Franklyn

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:33:40 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
> - where do I get it?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Here is what you should have:
>
> 
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>
> 
> ++1 on this.
>
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>>
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>>
>>
>> Laing 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[lconley]

Rivendell sells them for $5, or you can just put a wrench on the nut you 
have.

Laing.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:35:21 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:

> Rivendell? Anybody who sells Nitto parts should be able to get one.
>
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
> - where do I get it?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Here is what you should have:
>
> 
>
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
> ++1 on this.
>
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>>
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>>
>>
>> Laing 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Rivendell? Anybody who sells Nitto parts should be able to get one.

--Eric Norris
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
> where do I get it?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Here is what you should have:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com 
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>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
>>> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
 side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
 all means get the proper Nitto nut.
 
 --Eric Norris
 campyonly...@me.com 
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> ++1 on this.
>> 
>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not 
>> rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the 
>> nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>> 
>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>> 
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>> 
>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
>> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that 
>> you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is 
>> likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>> 
>> Laing 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
where do I get it?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
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> Here is what you should have:
> 
> 
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
>> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>> 
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyonly...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>> 
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> 
> ++1 on this.
> 
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not 
> rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the 
> nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
> 
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>> 
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
>>> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that 
>>> you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is 
>>> likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>> 
>> Laing 
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[RBW] FS: new 700c wheelset Mavic A719 Shimano XT

[Matt C.]

Hey RBW people. I had been hanging onto these rims and hubs for a long time 
intending to build a wheelset for an Appaloosa, but ended up going for a custom 
disc brake frame instead. So I laced these up to sell. This is a beautiful 
wheelset that could easily handle loaded touring and daily commuting.

Hubs are Shimano XT T780. Both 36 hole. Laced to Mavic A719 rims. Spokes are 
2.0/1.8 double butted and use brass nipples. Front is 100mm spacing. Rear is 
135mm and accepts 8, 9, and 10 speed cassettes. Wheels are true and evenly 
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I believe these would work on any current 700c Riv model except the Roadini. 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back side. 
> I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by all means 
> get the proper Nitto nut.
> 
> --Eric Norris
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>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>> 
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>> 
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>> 
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
 
> 
> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
> 
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you 
> did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is 
> likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
 
 Laing 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back side. I 
don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by all means get 
the proper Nitto nut.

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>> 
>> ++1 on this.
>> 
>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>> 
>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT designed 
>> to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent galvanic 
>> corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>> 
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>> 
>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it when 
>> you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, some 
>> do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not hold 
>> still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your problem - 
>> the stem bolt was never tight.
>> 
>> Laing 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

John, this is how it’s supposed to work, but it’s not. I’ve tried all different 
ways of laying that nut flat against the stem casting and it spins regardless. 
I’ve flipped the nut both ways...still spins. Does that mean defect? 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> ++1 on this.
> 
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the allen 
> in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate as you 
> tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to line up 
> with the stem casting flat to line up.
> 
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT designed 
> to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent galvanic 
> corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>> 
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it when 
>>> you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, some 
>>> do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not hold 
>>> still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your problem 
>>> - the stem bolt was never tight.
>> 
>> Laing 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

++1 on this.

The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
line up with the stem casting flat to line up.

I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
>
>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>
>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>
>
> Laing 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Sean Ryan]

I used triflow though any chain lube should do.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, Sean Ryan wrote:
>
> I had some ticking/clicking on an older pair of aluminum nitto handlebars 
> and i took care of it by laying the bike and applying oil to the bars at 
> the edge of the sleeve.  The idea is to let the oil make its way down 
> between the bars and the sleeve.  After letting it soak/penetrate for a 
> little while i wiped down the bars and they have been silent ever since.  
> if the noise is coming from the handlebar/sleeve area this may help. 
>
> Sean
> Massachusetts
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:37:11 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> You guys are so good at these games. I’m already implementing your 
>> instructions and it’s only 7 am! 
>>
>> First, the grease in the steerer. It’s there. The shop applied a fresh 
>> coat while I was standing there watching - this was early June.
>>
>> Second, verify the stem is 25.4 - I pulled it out and yes, it’s 25.4
>>
>> Next up, you say oil. That I have not yet done because I swapped stems at 
>> midnight last night. But if I trust the stem enough to swap it back, I’ll 
>> oil it. Or should I grease it? Which is better?
>>
>> Let’s call the problematic Nitto stem Tall Boy. I think there’s something 
>> wrong with Tall Boy, but I’m not experienced enough to know WHAT. As I was 
>> extracting the Bosco from it last night it took a lot of force and there 
>> was a ton of squeaking. Video below. Also, there is the problem of the stem 
>> clamp bolt. It spins as if stripped; you have to brace the nut with a 
>> wrench while you use your hex key to tighten the bolt. My other stems don’t 
>> do this - you tighten the bolt with a hex key and DONE. I’ve emailed Soma 
>> to ask about this; maybe I’ll hear from them today.
>>
>> Also, see how chewed up my sleeve on my brand new Bosco is. Something 
>> seems wrong, but inspection of the now-removed stem reveals nothing to my 
>> eye.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Sean Ryan]

I had some ticking/clicking on an older pair of aluminum nitto handlebars 
and i took care of it by laying the bike and applying oil to the bars at 
the edge of the sleeve.  The idea is to let the oil make its way down 
between the bars and the sleeve.  After letting it soak/penetrate for a 
little while i wiped down the bars and they have been silent ever since.  
if the noise is coming from the handlebar/sleeve area this may help. 

Sean
Massachusetts

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wrote:
>
> You guys are so good at these games. I’m already implementing your 
> instructions and it’s only 7 am! 
>
> First, the grease in the steerer. It’s there. The shop applied a fresh 
> coat while I was standing there watching - this was early June.
>
> Second, verify the stem is 25.4 - I pulled it out and yes, it’s 25.4
>
> Next up, you say oil. That I have not yet done because I swapped stems at 
> midnight last night. But if I trust the stem enough to swap it back, I’ll 
> oil it. Or should I grease it? Which is better?
>
> Let’s call the problematic Nitto stem Tall Boy. I think there’s something 
> wrong with Tall Boy, but I’m not experienced enough to know WHAT. As I was 
> extracting the Bosco from it last night it took a lot of force and there 
> was a ton of squeaking. Video below. Also, there is the problem of the stem 
> clamp bolt. It spins as if stripped; you have to brace the nut with a 
> wrench while you use your hex key to tighten the bolt. My other stems don’t 
> do this - you tighten the bolt with a hex key and DONE. I’ve emailed Soma 
> to ask about this; maybe I’ll hear from them today.
>
> Also, see how chewed up my sleeve on my brand new Bosco is. Something 
> seems wrong, but inspection of the now-removed stem reveals nothing to my 
> eye.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[lconley]

>
>
> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it when 
> you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, some 
> do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not hold 
> still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your problem 
> - the stem bolt was never tight.
>

Laing 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Most modified?

[André P]

William's Atlantis is pretty impressive. 
https://bikepacking.com/news/readers-rig-williams-rivendell-atlantis/

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> That shifter is great. You can pretend that you are Gino Bartali in the 
> alps in the 1938 Tour de France. And nice rd!
>
> I've installed top-of-seat-tube shifters for S3X hubs where shifting is 
> only occasional because I wanted something easy to install and remove -- 
> the 3 speed wheel was an occasional wheel. Why did you choose to put your 
> shifter on the stay?
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:07 AM S. Greco > 
> wrote:
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>> I added a derailleur hanger and "downtube" shifter to the seat stay of 
>> this simpleone:
>>
>> [image: DSCF7126.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

Interesting; gives me some hope. By “wet lube” do you mean that Boeshield would 
be ok to use at bar/stem interface? That’s what I have on hand...

 Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
Thanks much,
Leah

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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 7:49 AM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> Nitto cockpit are known to do this.  Disassemble and regrease EVERYTHING and 
> reassemble and the problem may or may not resurface.  I have experienced this 
> issue only once, I addressed it, and it never resurfaced.  
> 
> The roadside fix is a couple of drops of wet lube into the bar stem interface 
> and tighten the clamp bolt.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Conway Bennett]

Nitto cockpit are known to do this.  Disassemble and regrease EVERYTHING and 
reassemble and the problem may or may not resurface.  I have experienced this 
issue only once, I addressed it, and it never resurfaced.  

The roadside fix is a couple of drops of wet lube into the bar stem interface 
and tighten the clamp bolt.

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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Mark Roland]

True, although If I'm reading it right, Rivendell bought it from Soma for 
her and then passed it on, so hopefully they verified it was 25.4. Still, 
stuff happens!

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:43:11 AM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> +1 on what Hugh said.
>
> Suggest also pulling the stem out and verify the quill is stamped with 
> "25.4" and NOT "26.0" for the clamp diameter.  A mix up may have occurred 
> at Soma and they sent you a 26.0 stem.
>
> The CrMo bars may have tolerated a clamp mismatch better than the Al bars
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 1:15:42 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have the extra tall Nitto stem with 50 mm reach. SomaFab makes it, Riv 
>> got it for and sold it to me and I love it. Everything seemed fine and then 
>> I gave my Clementine that major makeover I’ve gone on about on a separate 
>> thread. While I was lightening my bike I decided I should swap the cromo 55 
>> Boscos for 52 aluminum Boscos. And those I love as well - they are perfect 
>> for me. 
>>
>> However, I noticed I’ve developed a strange ticking in the bars. Yes, 
>> it’s definitely from there, but what is NOT clear is if it’s the stem or 
>> the new Boscos. I took a video tonight, and you can hear the sound. It 
>> happens randomly, regardless of whether or not I’m pushing on my bars, but 
>> I can *also* create the ticking by jostling the bars. I’ll include a video 
>> where you can hear it in the next post. 
>>
>> Anyway, let’s talk about the stem first. Two things: 
>> 1. When I slid my new aluminum Boscos into the clamp on my stem and went 
>> to tighten the bolt, the bolt felt “stripped.” Which it could not possibly 
>> be, and which I had never experienced before (I installed the 55 cromo bars 
>> with no issue). Opposite the bolt is a nut that requires you to stabilize 
>> it with a wrench while you use your hex key to tighten the clamp onto your 
>> bars. Weird. 
>>
>> 2. Can the ticking sound be because the stem is used to the cromo bar 
>> that was installed prior, and now it won’t play well with another bar? 
>>
>> Bars. 
>> 1. The aluminum bars have a sheath in the middle, where the clamp goes. 
>> Could the sheath have something to do with the ticking sounds? I have heard 
>> Nitto has QC issues. Could that be what I’m experiencing? 
>>
>> Videos and link to the stem in next post. One day, maybe I’ll get my bike 
>> problems solved. Oh, how you all long for that day! 
>> Sorry! And thanks, 
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 on what Hugh said.

Suggest also pulling the stem out and verify the quill is stamped with 
"25.4" and NOT "26.0" for the clamp diameter.  A mix up may have occurred 
at Soma and they sent you a 26.0 stem.

The CrMo bars may have tolerated a clamp mismatch better than the Al bars

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 1:15:42 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I have the extra tall Nitto stem with 50 mm reach. SomaFab makes it, Riv 
> got it for and sold it to me and I love it. Everything seemed fine and then 
> I gave my Clementine that major makeover I’ve gone on about on a separate 
> thread. While I was lightening my bike I decided I should swap the cromo 55 
> Boscos for 52 aluminum Boscos. And those I love as well - they are perfect 
> for me. 
>
> However, I noticed I’ve developed a strange ticking in the bars. Yes, it’s 
> definitely from there, but what is NOT clear is if it’s the stem or the new 
> Boscos. I took a video tonight, and you can hear the sound. It happens 
> randomly, regardless of whether or not I’m pushing on my bars, but I can 
> *also* create the ticking by jostling the bars. I’ll include a video where 
> you can hear it in the next post. 
>
> Anyway, let’s talk about the stem first. Two things: 
> 1. When I slid my new aluminum Boscos into the clamp on my stem and went 
> to tighten the bolt, the bolt felt “stripped.” Which it could not possibly 
> be, and which I had never experienced before (I installed the 55 cromo bars 
> with no issue). Opposite the bolt is a nut that requires you to stabilize 
> it with a wrench while you use your hex key to tighten the clamp onto your 
> bars. Weird. 
>
> 2. Can the ticking sound be because the stem is used to the cromo bar that 
> was installed prior, and now it won’t play well with another bar? 
>
> Bars. 
> 1. The aluminum bars have a sheath in the middle, where the clamp goes. 
> Could the sheath have something to do with the ticking sounds? I have heard 
> Nitto has QC issues. Could that be what I’m experiencing? 
>
> Videos and link to the stem in next post. One day, maybe I’ll get my bike 
> problems solved. Oh, how you all long for that day! 
> Sorry! And thanks, 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[hugh flynn]

All interfaces are suspect in this scenario and the phantom click can be
tough to isolate.

As noted above grease in the quill is step 1.

If that doesn't do it, a light coat of oil on the sleeve should be tried.

If that doesn't do it, loosen the stem clamp (so there's no pressure on the
sleeve), put some light oil around the junction between the sleeve and the
bar, and lay the bike on one side so the oil can seep between the sleeve
and the bar. Let it sit for a few hours then flip the bike on the other
side and repeat. Then wipe up any excess, tighten things back up and repeat.

If that doesn't do it... well, that's all I have :-)

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM Mark Roland 
wrote:

> The stem she linked to is 25.4, and she previously had chromo Boscos in
> there with no noise.
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> All Bosco bars (CrMo or Al) are 25.4mm in the clamp area.  Is the Nitto
>> Stem a 25.4mm or 26.0mm diameter clamp?
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: Anyone near Rochester, NY willing to facilitate a Riv purchase?

[The Snag]

Forgot to mention that I'd try to make it worth your time in cash or 
parts

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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Mark Roland]

The stem she linked to is 25.4, and she previously had chromo Boscos in 
there with no noise. 

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Leah
>
> All Bosco bars (CrMo or Al) are 25.4mm in the clamp area.  Is the Nitto 
> Stem a 25.4mm or 26.0mm diameter clamp?  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

All Bosco bars (CrMo or Al) are 25.4mm in the clamp area.  Is the Nitto 
Stem a 25.4mm or 26.0mm diameter clamp?  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Mark Roland]

Did you put a good amount of grease on the stem quill going into the 
steerer when re-installing? Since it seems to be a "paired" click--that is, 
it clicks when pressure is applied, and again when released--maybe there is 
something going on with that interface. Loosen stem, lube it up, (including 
some grease on the stem bolt and nut) move it around a bit in the steerer, 
tighten to spec. Easy to do, so if it works, yay.

Otherwise, you will need to play around with the sheath area of the 
handlebar. I've seen bars where that sleeve has some movement, not sure of 
the construction of yours. As Ryan suggests, grease. Or maybe anti-seize or 
mild loc-tite? I don't generally put anything there, so others would know 
better.

If you can, do one thing at a time, starting with easiest. That way you 
will (hopefully) diagnose the cause for the future, if it comes back.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 1:15:42 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I have the extra tall Nitto stem with 50 mm reach. SomaFab makes it, Riv 
> got it for and sold it to me and I love it. Everything seemed fine and then 
> I gave my Clementine that major makeover I’ve gone on about on a separate 
> thread. While I was lightening my bike I decided I should swap the cromo 55 
> Boscos for 52 aluminum Boscos. And those I love as well - they are perfect 
> for me. 
>
> However, I noticed I’ve developed a strange ticking in the bars. Yes, it’s 
> definitely from there, but what is NOT clear is if it’s the stem or the new 
> Boscos. I took a video tonight, and you can hear the sound. It happens 
> randomly, regardless of whether or not I’m pushing on my bars, but I can 
> *also* create the ticking by jostling the bars. I’ll include a video where 
> you can hear it in the next post. 
>
> Anyway, let’s talk about the stem first. Two things: 
> 1. When I slid my new aluminum Boscos into the clamp on my stem and went 
> to tighten the bolt, the bolt felt “stripped.” Which it could not possibly 
> be, and which I had never experienced before (I installed the 55 cromo bars 
> with no issue). Opposite the bolt is a nut that requires you to stabilize 
> it with a wrench while you use your hex key to tighten the clamp onto your 
> bars. Weird. 
>
> 2. Can the ticking sound be because the stem is used to the cromo bar that 
> was installed prior, and now it won’t play well with another bar? 
>
> Bars. 
> 1. The aluminum bars have a sheath in the middle, where the clamp goes. 
> Could the sheath have something to do with the ticking sounds? I have heard 
> Nitto has QC issues. Could that be what I’m experiencing? 
>
> Videos and link to the stem in next post. One day, maybe I’ll get my bike 
> problems solved. Oh, how you all long for that day! 
> Sorry! And thanks, 
> Leah

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[RBW] Day Ride Kit

[William deRosset]

Day ride? There are day rides, then DAY Rides.

For a hour or few, on roads (paved or otherwise), in summer weather, here on 
the northern Front Range, I will bring a water bottle or two, my wallet, short 
finger gloves, a lightweight long sleeve wool jersey and lycra shorts, a spare 
tubular, sealant and valve core wrench, Bic lighter, and a pocketknife. A bike 
and frame pump. Cycling cap and sunnies.

For more of an all-day outing, I am likely to be going into more remote areas, 
at higher altitude, with fewer opportunities for assistance. DP has described 
the high country's weather well. It is good to be reasonably prepared.

To the above I add leg warmers, toe covers, rain claw mitts, a rain jacket 
(usually just a race cape for summer conditions), an ear band, long-finger 
glove liners. 

Food makes an appearance—some dried fruit or a sandwich, wet wipes, mixed salt 
electrolytes, water purification tabs. 

I also switch bikes so that I have fenders, lights, and a front handlebar bag, 
which, due to how my bikes are set up, in turn necessitates bringing two tubes 
and a patch kit vs a spare tubular.

The tools get more extensive: tire levers, 3-4-5mm allen keys, Park 
multi-wrench with 8mm allen, folding pliers, a chain tool. Spoke key.

Gaffer's tape. Spare chain links and fiberfix spoke. A needle and thread. A 
headlamp. A clif bar (The aluminized plastic wrapper makes a functional tire 
boot, and if you need to boot a tire you should have a snack while doing so).  
Chain oil.

A camera—usually my phone. My regular multifocal glasses vs awesome shades.

For longer rides I add a map,  bonk rations, chamois cream, a toothbrush, 
floss, Rx meds, and basic first aid stuff. A contingency plan and itinerary 
filed with Responsible Parties.

For camping I add a saddlebag with  sleeping bag, air mattress, ground cloth 
and tarp, bug repellent, a puffy jacket and long pants, sun hat,  and 
(sometimes) cooking gear/food/bear bag. I will also add a container of dr 
bronner's soap.

Best Regards,

Will

William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Grease?


Ryan
West Michigan

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[RBW] Front derailleur help

[Roberta]

Keith,

I have one I just took off my 2016 Appaloosa, the same one on Riv's website, 
but in silver.  If interested, can you PM me?

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[RBW] Front derailleur help

[Joe Bernard]

Or ask Riv if they have any Campy Mirage triple mechs left. They sold me one 
for my custom recently, but I'm not sure it was ever listed on the site. 

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[RBW] Front derailleur help

[Joe Bernard]

Riv was putting these on some builds, it may be the discontinued one you're 
thinking of. 

https://www.analogcycles.com/product/cx70-front-mech/

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[RBW] Re: 58cm Hunq For Sale

[Jan O.]

PM sent.

Jan
San Francisco

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