[RBW] Re: Day Ride Kit

[Craig Montgomery]

 Sorry for knocking this thread off it's original purpose but I've got to 
get something straight: 
 I realized after all my creepy stories put you on edge that I should 
point out these events occurred over a period of 30 years, roughly 1978 to 
2008. And most of them well before Tucson became known as a bike friendly 
city (propaganda at first) and Arizona a great place to tour. Over the last 
decade cyclists in Tucson have become an everyday visibility and the city 
has created a series of paths and bike worthy streets that make commuting a 
piece of cake. So the feelings for and responses to have mellowed out. 
Those attitudes have spread out to a degree into the more unpopulated 
areas, but there are still some places where you need be aware enough to 
keep yourself from being a victim. That's true anywhere. 
 
   And for each of these negative events there is an equal and opposite 
positive event, maybe more. More than once someone has stopped and asked if 
I needed help. While touring a backroad in a remote part of the state a car 
passed us, stopped about a quarter mile ahead (at this point I start 
wondering where I put my revolver), and then left a bag of oranges on the 
shoulder. Once in the middle of a monsoonal downpour a fella stopped and 
asked if I wanted a lift. I thanked him and tried to explain the joy of 
riding in the rain when you're properly equipped. He drove away smiling and 
shaking his head. Another time we were setting up camp after 65 miles (with 
no amenities) of headwinds and 100 degree heat. We were so beat the idea of 
cooking did not appeal to us at all when a little girl from a family that 
was camping nearby walked over with a platter of BBQ ribs. Can still taste 
'em. 

It all comes out in the wash.
Craig in Tucson

Craig in Tucson

On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 10:06:26 AM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>
> If I were you I'd be w-a-a-a-y more concerned about being shot at, hit 
> with 2x4's, surprised by drug smugglers, etc. than the kinds of things that 
> might occur in biking accidents like Andy's talking about.  At least you 
> have *some* control over avoiding/preventing the latter.
>
>
> On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>
>> Think I'll sell all my bikes and take up knitting. 
>>
>> Craig in Tucson
>>
>> On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 4:48:43 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>> My long rides usually pass through small communities enough that I can 
>>> procure/consume food and drink to augment my provided basics. most of my 
>>> kit is for maintenance of the bike and contingent support of the rider. 
>>>
>>> Flats, wet weather, dry chain, unexpected delays anticipated but also 
>>> are minor injuries, some of the places we ride may not be where help will 
>>> be reach you quickly so I accept a greater responsibility of immediate aid 
>>> and likely self evacuation and make sure I have some necessities to those 
>>> contingencies.  Any first aid kit is only any good if you know what the 
>>> pieces are, what they're for and how to use them, the generalized ones are 
>>> outdone by a good skinned knee but will curiously have a CPR mouth shield. 
>>> I do better collecting individual items in a ziplock. 
>>>
>>> My kit anticipates the sorts of things I've experienced personally and 
>>> come across others suffering when riding. Being able to stop bleeding. 
>>> Having enough bandage to cover abrasions (self-adhesive or Telfa plus 
>>> tape), handful of nitrile gloves, Dr. Bronner's in the 2 oz bottle, white 
>>> cloth medical tape, super glue, cravat or large clean bandana, two safety 
>>> pins, alcohol wipes, Aquaphor, chlorhexidine glutamate, my Swiss Army Knife 
>>> and charged phone. 
>>>
>>> Lesson learned #1: you will never have exactly what you need. 
>>>
>>> Lesson learned #2: you can improvise, this isn't a graded event like the 
>>> American Heart Association CPR test. The ABCDE mnemonic helps if you can 
>>> remember it. 
>>>
>>> l\Lesson learned #3: in the event of closed head injuries, anything 
>>> requiring CPR or any other condition you are unsure of how to help the 
>>> injured and disabled person, get your phone out and call 911. You are going 
>>> to be getting busy and if you can't bring it home the cavalry had better be 
>>> on the way. If you had a remote location crash and are perseverating on 
>>> little things, that confusion could be either shock or a closed head injury 
>>> (helmet or not) and should be responded to clearly and quickly since your 
>>> ability to do either will be diminishing. 
>>>
>>> Lesson #4: If you seek help for yourself and do not have spouse, friend, 
>>> or family coming you are likely to get a ride in an ambulance. You will go 
>>> to the hospital ER dressed as you are, your bike will not make the trip 
>>> likely be tossed aside like some flotsam and jetsam. Do you have a way to 
>>> conceal it and lock it for later recovery? Do you have your ID, insurance 
>>> card? Do you 

[RBW] Looking for pannier

[Adam]

I’ve got some turquoise carsick panniers I’d be happy to sell if you’re 
interested. They’re in very good shape, I just don’t use em much. Thanks!

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[RBW] Looking for pannier

[Jonathan Thomas]

Looking for new/used Carsick Design pannier grey. Please message me with any 
information on one for sale, thank you. 

Jonathan

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[RBW] FS: 19.5” Specialized Rock Combo (Nor-Cal)

[Lucky]

The facts: I bought this bike on impulse because I’ve wanted one for years and 
the opportunity presented itself. Right from the start I was hesitant about the 
narrow stock bar and tried a few different ones, but it’s made for the 
Specialized BB-1 that’s on it, so it’s all back together again.

When I got it, it was in rough mechanical condition beyond my abilities and I 
sent it to a pro-mechanic for an overhaul. It got all new cables and housing 
and fully tuned and lubed, wheels trued, all bearings repacked.  I’ve since 
ridden the bike in different terrain and unfortunately it’s not for me, so I’m 
looking to sell.

Stats:
19.5” RockCombo 
Cosmetically clean but not perfect. Some scrapes and peely decals, but they’re 
mostly all there, with shiny white pearl paint and no rust.
Suntour XCD derailleurs and barcons
Specialized flag cranks
Black Dia-comp cantis 
Specialized GX-23 rims
Soft and fresh Smoke and Dart skinwall tires
New donut bar tape

Will come without a seat or pedals.

Asking $950. If you want it shipped you can pick a bike shop and pay packing + 
actual shipping because I don’t want to take a chance damaging it. 

I have a lot of pics which for the life of me I cannot figure out how to post 
here. I’d appreciate any help with that I can get? 

E-mail luckyturnip at gmail dot com

In Sacramento 

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[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

[Evan E.]

Tuxedo Sam (black with cream accents, kind of like a fresh-poured Guinness).

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[RBW] Re: FS: Kellogg Spectrum Road Bike 62c-c x 56c-c

[Evan E.]

Wow! Beautiful bike. Beautiful photos.

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[RBW] Re: Tubus Duo on Hunqapillar Fork

[dougP]

Ginz:

I use a Duo on my Atlantis, so probably close to the same width fork.  I 
have to use spacers, and Rivendell has them:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/rack-hardware-thick-washer-spacer-each

Currently out of stock, they list the dimensions if you can find an 
alternate source.  At $2 apiece, get a bunch.  On small hardware like this, 
I need 1 to use & 1 to lose.  

dougp

On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 8:39:08 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Has anyone fit a Tubus Duo on a Hunqapillar 26" fork or similar?  All the 
> eyelets and hourglass bosses are in the right place but some spacers would 
> be required. Otherwise, the flanges on the rack push against the fork blade 
> and could marr or "crush" the tubes.  I would estimate the spacers would 
> have to be 2-3mm at all three bolt locations.
>
> Does that seem advisable?  The was some recent discussion of this in the 
> forums and I wouldn't hesitate to run a few spacers.  But, I may be unwise.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WnQDYDUM6SrXjWSc8
>
>
> Best Regards,
> ginz
>
>

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[RBW] FS: 52cm 1993 Bridgestone XO-1

[Drew Saunders]

I bought this new at the 1994 Bridgestone/BOB fire sale, and haven't really 
ridden it in about 15 years, so it's time for someone else to enjoy it.

Photos and details 
at 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tPdNV1WoLh4rE4L7bCpzNd2P-dmfRARaqOOSNLvESr4/edit?usp=sharing

Please read very carefully!

The few 1993 XO-1s that have sold recently, while complete and largely 
original, have gone for $1500

This is not a complete bike (I have cranks to sell too), there are some 
rust spots, and I crashed it once, but it does have several upgrades 
(Wheelsmith hand built gold label wheels, Chris King Headset, see the 
google doc!), so I'm looking to get:

*$900*

I'm really only interested in selling it to someone who can pick it up 
locally in Palo Alto, California. Cash preferred. 

[image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF6590-20200704.jpg]

Lots more photos on the google doc. Please read carefully (disable "Print 
Layout" unless you want to scroll for days) before asking any questions.

Thanks,

Drew

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[eddietheflay]

Orange coupled Curtlo. Not sure how this shows up on computer monitors but 
here you go:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9mvb6zsAfCk2XhDR7

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 10:23:40 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The photo shows the old Libertas 531 frame that Chauncey just took for 
> refurbishment: add modern tt brake housing stops, dt housing stops for bar 
> end shifters, and over-the-bb f and r derailleur cable guides. Odd, the 
> rear is already spaced at 130 -- this is a bike from the 1970s, so someone 
> altered it in the meanwhile.
>
> I've decided I need an orange bike, So, to the question: What shade of 
> orange do y'all recommend? The orange on the panels looks rather muted, 
> don't you think?
>
> This looks deeper, but between my bad color vision and even a HD monitor, 
> who knows; what do you think?
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> This looks similar: somehow "deeper" than the original orange on the 
> panels:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Chauncey delivered the Pseudo Riv just now; still need to hook up shifter 
> (probably old trigger shifter under right brake lever, which means I'll 
> have to untape that side of the bar; hate taping bars). And I have to mount 
> a tire on the rear wheel, then adjust the shifting for the AM hub. Will 
> post photos then.
>
> Also to come, photos of the 2003 Curt custom road (fixed gear modifed by 
> Dave and Chauncey) which I am selling.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Bosco + stem

[J Imler]

Bosco’s currently on eBay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/193554637604

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Evan E.]

Eddie,

Could you post a pic of your bike in Brentwood Orange powder coat?

Evan

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[RBW] PSA: 50cm Glorius on Laramie, WY CL

[Andrew Nussbaum]

No relation to the seller: 
https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/bik/d/laramie-rivendell-glorius/7154043310.html

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Re: [RBW] Want a San Marcos!

[Joel Stern]

Ah, I thought it was a 650b model .  Thanks again

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 4:19 PM Ash  wrote:

> Joel,  During the few months I owned the Atlantis I had done many around
> the town rides and a few half-day trips (30-40 miles).  It was very
> comfortable thanks to the upright friendly design plus the longer
> wheelbase.   It was a bit more noble compared to 51 Appa.  Likely because
> of 26" wheels.
>
>
> On Saturday, 4 July 2020 at 09:42:04 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:
>
>> Ash, great info.  I never have a load so that would not be an issue.
>> Smooth roads, hills at times, like everyone, some rides more than others.
>> My only issue with the Appaloosa is the standover which may not be an
>> issue.  I have found a forum member who lives a bit less than 2.5 miles
>> with a build in Appaloosa, his wife’s, and invited me to try it.  I am
>> using on the Bleriot BSP 42mm cushy tires.  It sounds like the Atlantis may
>> have a bit stiffer tubing but, and correct me if I am wrong, a close ride
>> on comfort (plush) ride.  You said loaded the Atlantis handled better, how
>> about without a load? Do you feel it is the somewhat longer wheel base that
>> adds to all these bikes are!
>>
>> Ash, thanks so much, hard to decide when you cannot ride.  Like you I
>> have owned many bikes, 8 Rivs and counting.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Ash  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I have owned 3 Rivendells between 2016 and 2019.  51cm Appaloosa, 50cm
>>> MIT Atlantis and 46cm (in that order, in succession).  Sold each of them to
>>> list members after riding for a few months.  I had no legit reason to
>>> change bikes so fast other than curiosity (and spare time at hand).  I like
>>> fiddling with bike as much as riding them.  I have tried a dozen or so
>>> kinds of handlebars/stems/saddles on these bikes to figure out ergonomics.
>>> I have also tried a few kinds of brakes just to understand how different
>>> they are.  Same goes with shifters, cranksets and cassettes.
>>>
>>> Now I'm waiting for my Longbolts frame.   Out of those 3 Rivs, I rode 51
>>> Appaloosa the most.  I do not remember stand over clearance being an issue
>>> (thanks to the sloping TT).  It had the supplest ride of all.  Some of
>>> the rides I did with 51 Appaloosa when it was built minimally (without
>>> fenders/racks) were the most enjoyable ever.  I did a few lightly loaded
>>> (about 20 pounds weight, often in the front) long rides (50ish miles).  I
>>> have done several grocery runs, often cargo both in the front and back.
>>>  50cm Atlantis was better suited for such use.  To me 51 Appa became
>>> slightly unwieldy at times with load.  With load, Atlantis was more
>>> enjoyable to ride. 46 Appaloosa felt quite similar to 50 Atlantis,
>>> with a bit less stack (hence I could never get the handlebars high enough -
>>> I like to ride upright).
>>>
>>> The Atlantis came close to 51 Appa's cushiness when I experimented for
>>> some time with 2" compass RTP tubeless (Appa had 2" Schwalbe Allmotion
>>> sometimes and  47mm WTB Horizons on other occasions, with inner tube).
>>>
>>> Enjoy the bike hunt!
>>>
>>> hth,
>>> Ash
>>>
>>> PS: can't wait to build the Susie.  I'm in Rich's wheel set queue.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 15:21:12 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Ash, actually I like the Appaloosa a lot but the sizing may be a
 tad off from what Riv told me although a member on this forum has said the
 standover was 30 5/8 which could work for me. What size did you get and how
 do you find the standover? I am on a Bleriot at the moment, had sold a load
 of Rivs due to a car accident 10 years ago, sold 6 about 5 or 6 years ago,
 a custom, an AR and another Bleriot I was going to bring to Brasil. I am
 back on the bike now after 10 years that the Bleriot is good but a tad high
 TT for me although Grant would think it is fine. I don't like feeling to TT
 as much as I do when I stand over the bike but I can live with it. I like
 the longer chainstay idea of your bike,  hope you love it.  From what
 I have learned the new Atlantis may be a good fit for me but I just don't
 bond with the color when I look at the pictures. Are you happy with the MIT
 bike? My Bleriot has some issues, not really issues but some of the braze
 ons are not in exactly the right place, my rear rack had to come off as it
 was pushing on the rear brake, really not a big deal as I don't really
 carry anything.

 Thanks much

 Joel

 Joel

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:13 PM Ash  wrote:

> Hey Joel,
>
> I sold mine to a local buyer in 2016 before building my 51cm green
> Appaloosa.
>
> I remember that order through Bicycle Classics is a slow process.  You
> need to email them indicating what item you need.  Sooner or later (likely
> later) you will get a response.  Then you PayPal them the money.  I think
> his name is Greg.  

Re: [RBW] Want a San Marcos!

[Ash]

Joel,  During the few months I owned the Atlantis I had done many around 
the town rides and a few half-day trips (30-40 miles).  It was very 
comfortable thanks to the upright friendly design plus the longer 
wheelbase.   It was a bit more noble compared to 51 Appa.  Likely because 
of 26" wheels.  


On Saturday, 4 July 2020 at 09:42:04 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:

> Ash, great info.  I never have a load so that would not be an issue.  
> Smooth roads, hills at times, like everyone, some rides more than others.  
> My only issue with the Appaloosa is the standover which may not be an 
> issue.  I have found a forum member who lives a bit less than 2.5 miles 
> with a build in Appaloosa, his wife’s, and invited me to try it.  I am 
> using on the Bleriot BSP 42mm cushy tires.  It sounds like the Atlantis may 
> have a bit stiffer tubing but, and correct me if I am wrong, a close ride 
> on comfort (plush) ride.  You said loaded the Atlantis handled better, how 
> about without a load? Do you feel it is the somewhat longer wheel base that 
> adds to all these bikes are!
>
> Ash, thanks so much, hard to decide when you cannot ride.  Like you I have 
> owned many bikes, 8 Rivs and counting.  
>
> Joel
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Ash  wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> I have owned 3 Rivendells between 2016 and 2019.  51cm Appaloosa, 50cm 
>> MIT Atlantis and 46cm (in that order, in succession).  Sold each of them to 
>> list members after riding for a few months.  I had no legit reason to 
>> change bikes so fast other than curiosity (and spare time at hand).  I like 
>> fiddling with bike as much as riding them.  I have tried a dozen or so 
>> kinds of handlebars/stems/saddles on these bikes to figure out ergonomics.  
>> I have also tried a few kinds of brakes just to understand how different 
>> they are.  Same goes with shifters, cranksets and cassettes.  
>>
>> Now I'm waiting for my Longbolts frame.   Out of those 3 Rivs, I rode 51 
>> Appaloosa the most.  I do not remember stand over clearance being an issue 
>> (thanks to the sloping TT).  It had the supplest ride of all.  Some of 
>> the rides I did with 51 Appaloosa when it was built minimally (without 
>> fenders/racks) were the most enjoyable ever.  I did a few lightly loaded 
>> (about 20 pounds weight, often in the front) long rides (50ish miles).  I 
>> have done several grocery runs, often cargo both in the front and back. 
>>  50cm Atlantis was better suited for such use.  To me 51 Appa became 
>> slightly unwieldy at times with load.  With load, Atlantis was more 
>> enjoyable to ride. 46 Appaloosa felt quite similar to 50 Atlantis, 
>> with a bit less stack (hence I could never get the handlebars high enough - 
>> I like to ride upright).   
>>
>> The Atlantis came close to 51 Appa's cushiness when I experimented for 
>> some time with 2" compass RTP tubeless (Appa had 2" Schwalbe Allmotion 
>> sometimes and  47mm WTB Horizons on other occasions, with inner tube).
>>
>> Enjoy the bike hunt!
>>
>> hth,
>> Ash
>>
>> PS: can't wait to build the Susie.  I'm in Rich's wheel set queue.
>>
>> On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 15:21:12 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ash, actually I like the Appaloosa a lot but the sizing may be a 
>>> tad off from what Riv told me although a member on this forum has said the 
>>> standover was 30 5/8 which could work for me. What size did you get and how 
>>> do you find the standover? I am on a Bleriot at the moment, had sold a load 
>>> of Rivs due to a car accident 10 years ago, sold 6 about 5 or 6 years ago, 
>>> a custom, an AR and another Bleriot I was going to bring to Brasil. I am 
>>> back on the bike now after 10 years that the Bleriot is good but a tad high 
>>> TT for me although Grant would think it is fine. I don't like feeling to TT 
>>> as much as I do when I stand over the bike but I can live with it. I like 
>>> the longer chainstay idea of your bike,  hope you love it.  From what I 
>>> have learned the new Atlantis may be a good fit for me but I just don't 
>>> bond with the color when I look at the pictures. Are you happy with the MIT 
>>> bike? My Bleriot has some issues, not really issues but some of the braze 
>>> ons are not in exactly the right place, my rear rack had to come off as it 
>>> was pushing on the rear brake, really not a big deal as I don't really 
>>> carry anything. 
>>>
>>> Thanks much
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:13 PM Ash  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Joel,

 I sold mine to a local buyer in 2016 before building my 51cm green 
 Appaloosa.  

 I remember that order through Bicycle Classics is a slow process.  You 
 need to email them indicating what item you need.  Sooner or later (likely 
 later) you will get a response.  Then you PayPal them the money.  I think 
 his name is Greg.  Speaking from my experience, they are reliable.  For 
 the 
 Sam Marcos frame I made double payment (some goof up happened with 

[RBW] Re: Day Ride Kit

[George Schick]

If I were you I'd be w-a-a-a-y more concerned about being shot at, hit with 
2x4's, surprised by drug smugglers, etc. than the kinds of things that 
might occur in biking accidents like Andy's talking about.  At least you 
have *some* control over avoiding/preventing the latter.


On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> Think I'll sell all my bikes and take up knitting. 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 4:48:43 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> My long rides usually pass through small communities enough that I can 
>> procure/consume food and drink to augment my provided basics. most of my 
>> kit is for maintenance of the bike and contingent support of the rider. 
>>
>> Flats, wet weather, dry chain, unexpected delays anticipated but also are 
>> minor injuries, some of the places we ride may not be where help will be 
>> reach you quickly so I accept a greater responsibility of immediate aid and 
>> likely self evacuation and make sure I have some necessities to those 
>> contingencies.  Any first aid kit is only any good if you know what the 
>> pieces are, what they're for and how to use them, the generalized ones are 
>> outdone by a good skinned knee but will curiously have a CPR mouth shield. 
>> I do better collecting individual items in a ziplock. 
>>
>> My kit anticipates the sorts of things I've experienced personally and 
>> come across others suffering when riding. Being able to stop bleeding. 
>> Having enough bandage to cover abrasions (self-adhesive or Telfa plus 
>> tape), handful of nitrile gloves, Dr. Bronner's in the 2 oz bottle, white 
>> cloth medical tape, super glue, cravat or large clean bandana, two safety 
>> pins, alcohol wipes, Aquaphor, chlorhexidine glutamate, my Swiss Army Knife 
>> and charged phone. 
>>
>> Lesson learned #1: you will never have exactly what you need. 
>>
>> Lesson learned #2: you can improvise, this isn't a graded event like the 
>> American Heart Association CPR test. The ABCDE mnemonic helps if you can 
>> remember it. 
>>
>> l\Lesson learned #3: in the event of closed head injuries, anything 
>> requiring CPR or any other condition you are unsure of how to help the 
>> injured and disabled person, get your phone out and call 911. You are going 
>> to be getting busy and if you can't bring it home the cavalry had better be 
>> on the way. If you had a remote location crash and are perseverating on 
>> little things, that confusion could be either shock or a closed head injury 
>> (helmet or not) and should be responded to clearly and quickly since your 
>> ability to do either will be diminishing. 
>>
>> Lesson #4: If you seek help for yourself and do not have spouse, friend, 
>> or family coming you are likely to get a ride in an ambulance. You will go 
>> to the hospital ER dressed as you are, your bike will not make the trip 
>> likely be tossed aside like some flotsam and jetsam. Do you have a way to 
>> conceal it and lock it for later recovery? Do you have your ID, insurance 
>> card? Do you have a way to pay expenses due?
>>
>> These are experience-based observations of events I have come across or 
>> experienced while riding. Bicycling is not a particularly injurious 
>> activity but, as in any any pursuit, will include some folks who are beyond 
>> their skills, or poise, their intentions unimportant. Accidents happen. 
>> Steps will have to be taken. Being blank on the first aid front is akin to 
>> having a flat with nothing to address it. We've all had things happen and a 
>> few supplies are worth a pile of gold when you need them. 
>>
>> Be safe, be prepared. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Tubus Duo on Hunqapillar Fork

[Ginz]

Hi Folks,

Has anyone fit a Tubus Duo on a Hunqapillar 26" fork or similar?  All the 
eyelets and hourglass bosses are in the right place but some spacers would 
be required. Otherwise, the flanges on the rack push against the fork blade 
and could marr or "crush" the tubes.  I would estimate the spacers would 
have to be 2-3mm at all three bolt locations.

Does that seem advisable?  The was some recent discussion of this in the 
forums and I wouldn't hesitate to run a few spacers.  But, I may be unwise.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WnQDYDUM6SrXjWSc8


Best Regards,
ginz

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Re: [RBW] Re: Day Ride Kit

[Eric Floden]

Thank you, Andy, good reminder. I will update my First Aid certificate when
I can.

EricF
Riding again in Vancouver

On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 04:48, ascpgh  wrote:

> My long rides usually pass through small communities enough that I can
> procure/consume food and drink to augment my provided basics. most of my
> kit is for maintenance of the bike and contingent support of the rider.
>
> Flats, wet weather, dry chain, unexpected delays anticipated but also are
> minor injuries, some of the places we ride may not be where help will be
> reach you quickly so I accept a greater responsibility of immediate aid and
> likely self evacuation and make sure I have some necessities to those
> contingencies.  Any first aid kit is only any good if you know what the
> pieces are, what they're for and how to use them, the generalized ones are
> outdone by a good skinned knee but will curiously have a CPR mouth shield.
> I do better collecting individual items in a ziplock.
>
> My kit anticipates the sorts of things I've experienced personally and
> come across others suffering when riding. Being able to stop bleeding.
> Having enough bandage to cover abrasions (self-adhesive or Telfa plus
> tape), handful of nitrile gloves, Dr. Bronner's in the 2 oz bottle, white
> cloth medical tape, super glue, cravat or large clean bandana, two safety
> pins, alcohol wipes, Aquaphor, chlorhexidine glutamate, my Swiss Army Knife
> and charged phone.
>
> Lesson learned #1: you will never have exactly what you need.
>
> Lesson learned #2: you can improvise, this isn't a graded event like the
> American Heart Association CPR test. The ABCDE mnemonic helps if you can
> remember it.
>
> l\Lesson learned #3: in the event of closed head injuries, anything
> requiring CPR or any other condition you are unsure of how to help the
> injured and disabled person, get your phone out and call 911. You are going
> to be getting busy and if you can't bring it home the cavalry had better be
> on the way. If you had a remote location crash and are perseverating on
> little things, that confusion could be either shock or a closed head injury
> (helmet or not) and should be responded to clearly and quickly since your
> ability to do either will be diminishing.
>
> Lesson #4: If you seek help for yourself and do not have spouse, friend,
> or family coming you are likely to get a ride in an ambulance. You will go
> to the hospital ER dressed as you are, your bike will not make the trip
> likely be tossed aside like some flotsam and jetsam. Do you have a way to
> conceal it and lock it for later recovery? Do you have your ID, insurance
> card? Do you have a way to pay expenses due?
>
> These are experience-based observations of events I have come across or
> experienced while riding. Bicycling is not a particularly injurious
> activity but, as in any any pursuit, will include some folks who are beyond
> their skills, or poise, their intentions unimportant. Accidents happen.
> Steps will have to be taken. Being blank on the first aid front is akin to
> having a flat with nothing to address it. We've all had things happen and a
> few supplies are worth a pile of gold when you need them.
>
> Be safe, be prepared.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:12:19 PM UTC-4 Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> What is your day ride kit, why, and for what type of riding?
>>
>> - coffee in thermos and insulated (soon to be a wood quaich/ kuksa)
>> - pipe and tobacco kit
>> - ventile cotton analogy rain jacket from Hilltrek
>> - fishnet long john shirt (turns my sun shirt into a medium weight
>> insulated shirt, but I have to put it next to the skin. Weighs near nothing
>> and takes minimal space. It and my rain jacket would be sufficient for 95%
>> of days, but the weather folks don't get the five % right very often, so I
>> haul wool...)
>> - (often) boiled wool 3-season weight sweater (extra layers cause it
>> snows anytime, and thunderstorms can drop temps into the 40's, dump hail
>> for an hour or more, and then keep on raining steady if they settle in)
>> - Sitting tarp
>> - Bike kit (pump, tube, patch, allen tool, et al)
>> - Buck 110 knife
>> - Digital typewriter (Freewrite: think Kindle e-reader on an quality
>> mechanical keyboard)
>> - Camera, tripod, etc.
>> - Irish straps and shopsack for shopping pick up days.
>> - Fire tinder kit (the only time you need a fire is when it's too wet to
>> start one. Grin.)
>> - compass
>> - rosary
>> -pen knife
>> - water pen light purifier
>> - no food. I prefer to ride fasted
>>
>> Why so much? Because I want to ride however long I ride, regardless of
>> weather. With a brain that can get overloaded by overstimulation, I go
>> prepared to emergency overnight if required). I haven't weighed the set up,
>> but it's likely 2/3rds of the way to my overnight/weeklong/forever set up
>> weight. Add tent, bag, pad, food, more water bottles, and I'm good for
>> forever. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Gonzalez.  I always ride with gloves too.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:12 AM Ginz  wrote:

>
> I would not say the cork grips add comfort.  In fact, I've found the
> "real" cork ones to be less shaped and comfortable than the cheaper
> "chopped and formed" ones than are available everywhere.  And I never ever
> ride them without gloves for grip.
>
> As others have said, ESI silicone grips and Oury (now in lock on
> version!!) are my choices for comfort.  The cork is mostly for looks.
>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto S65 Seatpost 27.2 X 250 Silver

[Johnny Alien]

Nitto S65 seatpost.  No need to elaborate as everyone here I am sure knows 
it well.  27.2 X 250 size. It's in really good shape.  Some minor wear from 
insertion but not very much.  $60 shipped in the USA.

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[RBW] Re: Day Ride Kit

[Craig Montgomery]

Think I'll sell all my bikes and take up knitting. 

Craig in Tucson

On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 4:48:43 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> My long rides usually pass through small communities enough that I can 
> procure/consume food and drink to augment my provided basics. most of my 
> kit is for maintenance of the bike and contingent support of the rider. 
>
> Flats, wet weather, dry chain, unexpected delays anticipated but also are 
> minor injuries, some of the places we ride may not be where help will be 
> reach you quickly so I accept a greater responsibility of immediate aid and 
> likely self evacuation and make sure I have some necessities to those 
> contingencies.  Any first aid kit is only any good if you know what the 
> pieces are, what they're for and how to use them, the generalized ones are 
> outdone by a good skinned knee but will curiously have a CPR mouth shield. 
> I do better collecting individual items in a ziplock. 
>
> My kit anticipates the sorts of things I've experienced personally and 
> come across others suffering when riding. Being able to stop bleeding. 
> Having enough bandage to cover abrasions (self-adhesive or Telfa plus 
> tape), handful of nitrile gloves, Dr. Bronner's in the 2 oz bottle, white 
> cloth medical tape, super glue, cravat or large clean bandana, two safety 
> pins, alcohol wipes, Aquaphor, chlorhexidine glutamate, my Swiss Army Knife 
> and charged phone. 
>
> Lesson learned #1: you will never have exactly what you need. 
>
> Lesson learned #2: you can improvise, this isn't a graded event like the 
> American Heart Association CPR test. The ABCDE mnemonic helps if you can 
> remember it. 
>
> l\Lesson learned #3: in the event of closed head injuries, anything 
> requiring CPR or any other condition you are unsure of how to help the 
> injured and disabled person, get your phone out and call 911. You are going 
> to be getting busy and if you can't bring it home the cavalry had better be 
> on the way. If you had a remote location crash and are perseverating on 
> little things, that confusion could be either shock or a closed head injury 
> (helmet or not) and should be responded to clearly and quickly since your 
> ability to do either will be diminishing. 
>
> Lesson #4: If you seek help for yourself and do not have spouse, friend, 
> or family coming you are likely to get a ride in an ambulance. You will go 
> to the hospital ER dressed as you are, your bike will not make the trip 
> likely be tossed aside like some flotsam and jetsam. Do you have a way to 
> conceal it and lock it for later recovery? Do you have your ID, insurance 
> card? Do you have a way to pay expenses due?
>
> These are experience-based observations of events I have come across or 
> experienced while riding. Bicycling is not a particularly injurious 
> activity but, as in any any pursuit, will include some folks who are beyond 
> their skills, or poise, their intentions unimportant. Accidents happen. 
> Steps will have to be taken. Being blank on the first aid front is akin to 
> having a flat with nothing to address it. We've all had things happen and a 
> few supplies are worth a pile of gold when you need them. 
>
> Be safe, be prepared. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Tires, stems, bars

[Andrew Huston]

Bump on tires. Make me an offer. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Kellogg Spectrum Road Bike 62c-c x 56c-c

[Brian Campbell]

wish that was a 60cm, C-T with a 58cm top tube...oh well. Good luck!

On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 8:39:51 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> Kellog Spectrum Road: $950 pickup/drop-off 
>
> I'm gonna try to clear a few hooks and made some space, spin off a 
> couple/few steeds that don't get out much. Between me not having any bike 
> boxes, and all my local LBS having a very hard time getting any new bikes, 
> so no free boxes readily available, I'm starting out saying no shipping 
> right now. I'll drive 50mi from NE Jersey, 07642, north, west or south, to 
> meetup and drop off. It that doesn't work, I'll look at shipping, but won't 
> make any promises until I can score some boxes.
>
> Obliquely ibobish/Rivvish like a Bridgestone RB-1..? 
>
> This is a Spectrum road frame of indeterminate age, tallish with a 
> shortish top tube. Some of the frame details, mainly the top-of-bb cable 
> guides and older Spectrum decal, say mid-'80s to me, but I don't see a ser# 
> on the bb shell, and there's a simple "94" stamped on the steerer tube. 
> 94th frame built? Can't imagine it was spec'd this way in '94, especially 
> with the older decals.
>
> Has all the Kellogg/Spectrum hallmarks: clean lugs, lovely scalloped seat 
> stay plugs, smooth/clean top tube internal brake casing routing with 
> internal guide tube, and beefy chain stays with minimal/precise dimples.
>
> It is a performance road frame, tight wheelbase, upright angles, no 
> fender/rack bosses. It rides fast and smooth, but with pretty neutral 
> handling. Never felt like an '80s crit bike to me. 
>
> I'd call 26-27mm actual width max, pinch point is under the front brake. 
> True 28mm tires rubbed the underside of the front brake, and were pretty 
> darn tight both at the chainstays and under the rear brake.
>
> No dents, dings, or scrapes deeper than primer. 
>
> Rides straight, threads are clean. My last pre-sale build was a test bed 
> for a 38/24 double, which didn't work in the rear with the bb-top cable 
> guides, so there's a drilled/tapped hole in the bb for an under-bb cable 
> guide. I'll plug it with a bolt.
>
> Pretty clean metalflake black overall, with a few scrapes, visible in the 
> photos. Biggest ones are on the outside of the drive-side seat stay, and 
> under the Kellogg name on the non-drive chainstay. No rust or paint 
> bubbling; the top tube brake casing openings are clean, which isn't always 
> the case. 
>
> Build is all the 740x Dura-Ace you can get, except for the bottom bracket. 
> Details below.
>
> Happy to answer questions. Some pix attached, more at flickr:
> [url]
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479@N04/albums/72157662802506202[/url]
>
> 50mi of N-S-W Jersey/07642
>
> ST 62.0cm c-c, 63.5cm c-t
> TT: 56.0cm c-c
> HT: 200mm
> Saddle height in photos: 81.5cm (stem/post are at min insertion in pix)
> ST 72.8-deg, HT 74.0-deg
> Chainstay: 41.5cm, wheelbase 97.5cm
> BB drop: 66mm
> Standover: 86.0cm/33.8"
> Rear spacing: 126mm
> Tire clearance: 26-27mm actual
> 
> Frame: 4.5lb/2.0kg
> Fork: 1.7lb/0.78k
> F/F: 6.2lb/2.8kg
> Built weight: 22.13lb w/pedals
>
> Build is mostly Shimano Dura-Ace 740x series:
>
> FC-7402 crankset, 172.5mm, 39x52t
> FD-7403 front deraileur
> RD-7402 rear derailleur
> SL-740x shifters, 8spd indexed
> BR-7402 brakes
> BL-7402 brake levers
> SP-740x seatpost, 27.2mm
> D-A headset, sealed bearing
> D-A handlebar stem, 120mm, w/aluminum repop cap
>
> Wheels:
> D-A hubset, 32h, Uniglide 8spd 13-24t
> D-A qr skewers
> Mavic Open 4D rims
> Michelin Axial Pro 700x23 (actual 22.8mm rear; 23.5mm front)
>
> Other:
> Shimano UN-55 107mm sealed bearing bottom bracket
> KMC chain
> Nitto B-177 48cm bars
> Giro Pave saddle
>
> Apologies for the goofy Wellgo MG-1 screaming yellow pedals. They were on 
> my bench. Yours if you want them.
>
> Album with current FS build at the top, past builds below:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479@N04/albums/72157662802506202
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> [image: 50079998238_9fdbe1e471_c.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Ginz]

 
I would not say the cork grips add comfort.  In fact, I've found the "real" 
cork ones to be less shaped and comfortable than the cheaper "chopped and 
formed" ones than are available everywhere.  And I never ever ride them 
without gloves for grip.

As others have said, ESI silicone grips and Oury (now in lock on version!!) 
are my choices for comfort.  The cork is mostly for looks. 

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[eddietheflay]

my Curtlo coupled travel bike is powdered in Brentwood Orange. A little 
sparkle and I never get tired of it:
https://www.prismaticpowders.com/shop/powder-coating-colors/PMB-0964/brentwood-orange


On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 10:23:40 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The photo shows the old Libertas 531 frame that Chauncey just took for 
> refurbishment: add modern tt brake housing stops, dt housing stops for bar 
> end shifters, and over-the-bb f and r derailleur cable guides. Odd, the 
> rear is already spaced at 130 -- this is a bike from the 1970s, so someone 
> altered it in the meanwhile.
>
> I've decided I need an orange bike, So, to the question: What shade of 
> orange do y'all recommend? The orange on the panels looks rather muted, 
> don't you think?
>
> This looks deeper, but between my bad color vision and even a HD monitor, 
> who knows; what do you think?
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> This looks similar: somehow "deeper" than the original orange on the 
> panels:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Chauncey delivered the Pseudo Riv just now; still need to hook up shifter 
> (probably old trigger shifter under right brake lever, which means I'll 
> have to untape that side of the bar; hate taping bars). And I have to mount 
> a tire on the rear wheel, then adjust the shifting for the AM hub. Will 
> post photos then.
>
> Also to come, photos of the 2003 Curt custom road (fixed gear modifed by 
> Dave and Chauncey) which I am selling.
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Day Ride Kit

[ascpgh]

My long rides usually pass through small communities enough that I can 
procure/consume food and drink to augment my provided basics. most of my 
kit is for maintenance of the bike and contingent support of the rider. 

Flats, wet weather, dry chain, unexpected delays anticipated but also are 
minor injuries, some of the places we ride may not be where help will be 
reach you quickly so I accept a greater responsibility of immediate aid and 
likely self evacuation and make sure I have some necessities to those 
contingencies.  Any first aid kit is only any good if you know what the 
pieces are, what they're for and how to use them, the generalized ones are 
outdone by a good skinned knee but will curiously have a CPR mouth shield. 
I do better collecting individual items in a ziplock. 

My kit anticipates the sorts of things I've experienced personally and come 
across others suffering when riding. Being able to stop bleeding. Having 
enough bandage to cover abrasions (self-adhesive or Telfa plus tape), 
handful of nitrile gloves, Dr. Bronner's in the 2 oz bottle, white cloth 
medical tape, super glue, cravat or large clean bandana, two safety pins, 
alcohol wipes, Aquaphor, chlorhexidine glutamate, my Swiss Army Knife and 
charged phone. 

Lesson learned #1: you will never have exactly what you need. 

Lesson learned #2: you can improvise, this isn't a graded event like the 
American Heart Association CPR test. The ABCDE mnemonic helps if you can 
remember it. 

l\Lesson learned #3: in the event of closed head injuries, anything 
requiring CPR or any other condition you are unsure of how to help the 
injured and disabled person, get your phone out and call 911. You are going 
to be getting busy and if you can't bring it home the cavalry had better be 
on the way. If you had a remote location crash and are perseverating on 
little things, that confusion could be either shock or a closed head injury 
(helmet or not) and should be responded to clearly and quickly since your 
ability to do either will be diminishing. 

Lesson #4: If you seek help for yourself and do not have spouse, friend, or 
family coming you are likely to get a ride in an ambulance. You will go to 
the hospital ER dressed as you are, your bike will not make the trip likely 
be tossed aside like some flotsam and jetsam. Do you have a way to conceal 
it and lock it for later recovery? Do you have your ID, insurance card? Do 
you have a way to pay expenses due?

These are experience-based observations of events I have come across or 
experienced while riding. Bicycling is not a particularly injurious 
activity but, as in any any pursuit, will include some folks who are beyond 
their skills, or poise, their intentions unimportant. Accidents happen. 
Steps will have to be taken. Being blank on the first aid front is akin to 
having a flat with nothing to address it. We've all had things happen and a 
few supplies are worth a pile of gold when you need them. 

Be safe, be prepared. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh





On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 9:12:19 PM UTC-4 Deacon Patrick wrote:

> What is your day ride kit, why, and for what type of riding?
>
> - coffee in thermos and insulated (soon to be a wood quaich/ kuksa)
> - pipe and tobacco kit
> - ventile cotton analogy rain jacket from Hilltrek
> - fishnet long john shirt (turns my sun shirt into a medium weight 
> insulated shirt, but I have to put it next to the skin. Weighs near nothing 
> and takes minimal space. It and my rain jacket would be sufficient for 95% 
> of days, but the weather folks don't get the five % right very often, so I 
> haul wool...)
> - (often) boiled wool 3-season weight sweater (extra layers cause it snows 
> anytime, and thunderstorms can drop temps into the 40's, dump hail for an 
> hour or more, and then keep on raining steady if they settle in)
> - Sitting tarp
> - Bike kit (pump, tube, patch, allen tool, et al)
> - Buck 110 knife
> - Digital typewriter (Freewrite: think Kindle e-reader on an quality 
> mechanical keyboard)
> - Camera, tripod, etc.
> - Irish straps and shopsack for shopping pick up days.
> - Fire tinder kit (the only time you need a fire is when it's too wet to 
> start one. Grin.)
> - compass
> - rosary
> -pen knife
> - water pen light purifier
> - no food. I prefer to ride fasted
>
> Why so much? Because I want to ride however long I ride, regardless of 
> weather. With a brain that can get overloaded by overstimulation, I go 
> prepared to emergency overnight if required). I haven't weighed the set up, 
> but it's likely 2/3rds of the way to my overnight/weeklong/forever set up 
> weight. Add tent, bag, pad, food, more water bottles, and I'm good for 
> forever. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Joel Stern]

BTW, are they opened on both sides, I could not tell from the website. I
use barend shifters.


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:31 AM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Thanks Josh, good info.
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 1:53 AM DeeterDeeter 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Joel,
>>
>> Josh in Corona, Queens over here.
>>
>> They look fantastic. Feel fine. Not too grippy, though.
>> I had an accident last summer which might've (and I mean MAYBE MAYBE)
>> been avoided if my shellac'd cork grips weren't so smooth and slick.
>>
>> After many years of riding them (touring, mostly commuting and riding
>> around the city) I've switched to OURY grips.
>> The don't necessarily fall in line with the Riv aesthetic but they are
>> grippy as hell and super comfy.
>>
>> It's also nice to be able to remove the grips at some point. I still have
>> a cockpit with cork grips set up partly because I didn't want to
>> destroy them in case I didn't like the OURY and partly because I wasn't
>> sure I would love the bosco moose bars.
>>
>> Spoiler alert: I love BOSCO MOOSE handle bars!!
>> Best of luck with whatever grips you go with!
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 8:49:31 AM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>> Do they add comfort?  Cork may not be that soft so I am curious.  I
>>> would like to use these on an albatross bar if they absorb shock (not a
>>> real issue and have some flex.  I currently have my bars wrapped in tape
>>> and shellacked,
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> .
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Josh, good info.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 1:53 AM DeeterDeeter  wrote:

> Hey Joel,
>
> Josh in Corona, Queens over here.
>
> They look fantastic. Feel fine. Not too grippy, though.
> I had an accident last summer which might've (and I mean MAYBE MAYBE) been
> avoided if my shellac'd cork grips weren't so smooth and slick.
>
> After many years of riding them (touring, mostly commuting and riding
> around the city) I've switched to OURY grips.
> The don't necessarily fall in line with the Riv aesthetic but they are
> grippy as hell and super comfy.
>
> It's also nice to be able to remove the grips at some point. I still have
> a cockpit with cork grips set up partly because I didn't want to
> destroy them in case I didn't like the OURY and partly because I wasn't
> sure I would love the bosco moose bars.
>
> Spoiler alert: I love BOSCO MOOSE handle bars!!
> Best of luck with whatever grips you go with!
>
>
> On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 8:49:31 AM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> Do they add comfort?  Cork may not be that soft so I am curious.  I would
>> like to use these on an albatross bar if they absorb shock (not a real
>> issue and have some flex.  I currently have my bars wrapped in tape and
>> shellacked,
>>
>> Thanks
>> .
>>
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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Nick Payne]

Last year I ordered my wife a frame from the Carbonda factory in China, and 
specified Pantone Orange 021 C as the colour I wanted the frame painted. 
This is the frame:




If you've got a fairly accurate monitor, have a look at 
https://www.pantone.com/color-finder.


Nick

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[RBW] Removing crown race from Appaloosa fork

[Nick Payne]

My habit with new frames is to chase and face the BB shell, and ream the 
head tube and fork crown to ensure that everything is properly square. 
Bottom bracket shell and head tube were no problem, I removed the BB and 
knocked out the headset cups However, the Appaloosa fork crown is fatter 
fore and aft than a normal 1" fork crown, and my crown race remover (the 
Campagnolo model) doesn't fit past the crown to engage the crown race. In 
fact, the crown race on the Duron X headset barely protrudes past the crown 
- even if I managed to get it off with a punch, I think it would get 
damaged because I'd have to be bashing on the thinnest outermost part of 
the race.

Has anyone managed to get one of these off successfully.

Nick

p.s. And BTW, the BB shell did need chasing and facing to be properly 
square, and ditto for the head tube.

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[RBW] Re: Platypus Excitment on IG

[Ian A]

Hayabusa (Peregrine Falcon) is used by Suzuki for one of the fastest 
motorcycles in production.

IanA

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