[RBW] FS: Carradice Barley and Bagman

[Earls61]

Hey! 

I’ll buy them both. How can I contact you?

Robert Alan
Central Ohio

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Roberta]

Kai, it will be nice to see you again.

Rain is supposed to stop middle of night. . Most likely I’ll be on Homer. 

See you then!

Roberta 
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:47:45 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:
>
> The Homer then? Could be puddles. I'll be on a blue bike too! I think I'm 
> taking the unfendered bluey, puddles be derned.
> -Kai
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 11:15:56 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Our ride is just three days away and, I'm very excited.  I want to bring 
>> my A Home Hilsen, but it doesn't have fenders, so I'll decide on Saturday 
>> morning.  I'll bring my Joe Appaloosa if I feel a fendered bike would be 
>> better.  The weather forecast might just be perfect:
>>
>>   A few showers in the morning, then sunny in 
>> the afternoon. High near 60F. Winds NW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50%.
>>
>> Look forward to seeing everyone.  Perhaps we can have a check in here, 
>> since schedules do change? 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:57:38 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the directions, which answers John's question.  The pictures 
>>> look lovely and I cannot wait for what looks like a wonderful route!  
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 8:04:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

 Regarding directions: Plug this into your GPS: 

 2 Simon Lake Drive
 Atlantic Highlands, NJ 07716

 Regarding parking: Lot 1 might fill up sooner, but Lots 1 and 2 are 
 right next to each other, so it really doesn't matter; we'll see each 
 other. Even if you park on the street somewhere, just come down to the 
 trail.

 Regarding the trail surface: I haven't been on the HHT since 2018, but 
 I seem to remember that most of the trail is paved, and what isn't is a 
 very fine crushed stone surface -- in other words, any bike and any tire 
 will be fine on it. 

 Regarding the climb: They are approaches to a fairly high bridge, but 
 the grade really isn't bad at all.

 Regarding the ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch: It's a nice (and 
 shorter) alterntive to going back to Matawan. As Dave pointed out, the 
 ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch starts off alongside a large rock 
 seawall on a paved trail, but that's only for a couple of miles -- after 
 that, you're on Rt. 36 as you enter downtown Sea Bright. After Sea Bright, 
 there's a wide shoulder and you pass nice homes and some beach clubs. At 
 Long Branch Rt. 36 turns into a four-lane highway (Ocean Blvd), so I've 
 turned onto side streets from there to get to the train station. A 
 ride along Ocean Ave (not Blvd) and on the promenade at this time of year 
 (no crowds) would be very nice, as it's obviously right along the 
 ocean.

 To give you an idea of what some of the route is like, the photos in 
 the below link are from a ride where I took the train from Linden to 
 Aberdeen/Matawan, rode east along the HHT, turned right after the bridge 
 (bypassed Sandy Hook that time), rode down Rt. 36 and hit the beach at 
 Seven Presidents Oceanfront Park in Long Branch to go for a swim before 
 taking the train home:

 https://flic.kr/s/aHskF1WUCh

 And this one is of Sandy Hook itself:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHskmyzgvz

 Bob

>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The Homer then? Could be puddles. I'll be on a blue bike too! I think I'm 
taking the unfendered bluey, puddles be derned.
-Kai

On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 11:15:56 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Our ride is just three days away and, I'm very excited.  I want to bring 
> my A Home Hilsen, but it doesn't have fenders, so I'll decide on Saturday 
> morning.  I'll bring my Joe Appaloosa if I feel a fendered bike would be 
> better.  The weather forecast might just be perfect:
>
>   A few showers in the morning, then sunny in 
> the afternoon. High near 60F. Winds NW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50%.
>
> Look forward to seeing everyone.  Perhaps we can have a check in here, 
> since schedules do change? 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:57:38 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Thanks for the directions, which answers John's question.  The pictures 
>> look lovely and I cannot wait for what looks like a wonderful route!  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 8:04:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>>
>>> Regarding directions: Plug this into your GPS: 
>>>
>>> 2 Simon Lake Drive
>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ 07716
>>>
>>> Regarding parking: Lot 1 might fill up sooner, but Lots 1 and 2 are 
>>> right next to each other, so it really doesn't matter; we'll see each 
>>> other. Even if you park on the street somewhere, just come down to the 
>>> trail.
>>>
>>> Regarding the trail surface: I haven't been on the HHT since 2018, but I 
>>> seem to remember that most of the trail is paved, and what isn't is a very 
>>> fine crushed stone surface -- in other words, any bike and any tire will be 
>>> fine on it. 
>>>
>>> Regarding the climb: They are approaches to a fairly high bridge, but 
>>> the grade really isn't bad at all.
>>>
>>> Regarding the ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch: It's a nice (and 
>>> shorter) alterntive to going back to Matawan. As Dave pointed out, the 
>>> ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch starts off alongside a large rock 
>>> seawall on a paved trail, but that's only for a couple of miles -- after 
>>> that, you're on Rt. 36 as you enter downtown Sea Bright. After Sea Bright, 
>>> there's a wide shoulder and you pass nice homes and some beach clubs. At 
>>> Long Branch Rt. 36 turns into a four-lane highway (Ocean Blvd), so I've 
>>> turned onto side streets from there to get to the train station. A ride 
>>> along Ocean Ave (not Blvd) and on the promenade at this time of year (no 
>>> crowds) would be very nice, as it's obviously right along the ocean.
>>>
>>> To give you an idea of what some of the route is like, the photos in 
>>> the below link are from a ride where I took the train from Linden to 
>>> Aberdeen/Matawan, rode east along the HHT, turned right after the bridge 
>>> (bypassed Sandy Hook that time), rode down Rt. 36 and hit the beach at 
>>> Seven Presidents Oceanfront Park in Long Branch to go for a swim before 
>>> taking the train home:
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskF1WUCh
>>>
>>> And this one is of Sandy Hook itself:
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskmyzgvz
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel Stern]

Sorry, I meant Matt.  Where in CT are you?  I am in western MA.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:48 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Mike, I think the Saluki was 2003.  There is an article posted above that
> details 650b bikes here...
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:28 PM Matthew Cook 
> wrote:
>
>> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
>> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
>> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>>
>> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
>> back then?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>>
 I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
 adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
 existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
 dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.

 Matt Cook in CT

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel Stern]

Mike, I think the Saluki was 2003.  There is an article posted above that
details 650b bikes here...

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:28 PM Matthew Cook 
wrote:

> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>
> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
> back then?
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>
>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>
>>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
>>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
>>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
>>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.
>>>
>>> Matt Cook in CT
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel S]

Great article, thanks Benjamin. 

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:49:11 PM UTC-4 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> Interesting article about the history of 650b.   
> https://www.handbuiltbicyclenews.com/c36-bicycle-wheels/196-the-renaissance-of-the-650b-wheel-0
> Has info from Grant about tires, and a picture from RR 33 in Fall 2004. 
> About 1/2 way through the article.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:28 PM Matthew Cook  wrote:
>
>> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at 
>> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or 
>> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well. 
>>
>> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed 
>> back then?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.  
>>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were 
>>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.  
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>>
 I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
 adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
 existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
 dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 

 Matt Cook in CT

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Re: [RBW] V-Brake and Canti...

[greenteadrinkers]

Sounds good, thanks for the input!

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 6:11:51 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Seriously: Install the Pauls right: get someone to do it for you if you 
> can't do it yourself. That will solve your shuddering problem, give you 
> good braking front and rear, save you from having to find a different brake 
> lever, and absolve you of the aesthetic sin of mismatched levers and brakes 
> front and rear.
>
> Or not, it's your bike. But well set up cantis really ought to solve your 
> problem and look good doing it, besides.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:05 PM greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
>> Hahaha, they are black. I actually bought them from a list member last 
>> spring, which included moon units. Also, bought a black 56cm Sam from a 
>> list member around that time. At the time, thinking was to go with the 
>> Pauls, but, happily was introduced to V-brakes. The fork vibration issue 
>> really only happens on fast descents, but, I never experienced that issue 
>> on other bikes with canti's. From what I gather, V-brakes have more 
>> stopping power, which I have found to be the case. The Canti's seem to have 
>> a less, which might be great for braking in the front?
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> So, you've got a pair of Paul cantilevers, one for the front and one for 
>>> the back ? Is not Bob your uncle?
>>>
>>> And would you care to discuss selling your extra pair of Paul cantis 
>>> ...? (Silver only ...)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, slumming with Tektro CR720s in ABQ, NM.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:44 PM greenteadrinkers  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 With the v-brake up front, I tend to get this fork vibration I've never 
 really experienced with a cantilever. The headset is nice and tight and 
 nothing else seems to be problematic, just thinking if that vibration 
 might 
 be due to the different stopping power of v brakes, would the canti up 
 front help reduce fork vibration and over more subtle braking modulation? 
 Hopefully, this makes sense.

 On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> What would you hope to gain by this sort of combination? Is it that 
> you've found cantilevers less effective in the rear than desired? 
>
> I've found this, at least using drop bar levers -- probably due to my 
> ineptitude in installing them; but I've also found that a good canti 
> design 
> -- I like "high profile" arms -- properly set up gives good braking front 
> and rear; as I never get tired of saying but I'm sure you get tired of 
> hearing, the best brakes of all the very many types I've used over the 
> years were the IRD wide-profile cantilevers with salmon pads set up by 
> Rivendell staff on the drop-bar'd Sam Hillborne I bought back circa 2013 
> or 
> so -- nothing better both for power, feel, and modulation; really 
> wonderful. 
>
> Short answer: "No, and I don't see why it *would* be worth looking 
> into." But please explain your purpose, maybe there is a good reason to 
> do 
> this.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:18 PM greenteadrinkers <
> greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone ever use a Canti brake up front and V-brake in the back? I 
>> know I'd need different pull levers, which complicates things, but I've 
>> noticed up front, the V-brake can sometimes be a little more than I 
>> need, 
>> it's great in the back though. I have two sets of Paul neo-retro canti's 
>> sitting around and was thinking the combination might be something weird 
>> worth looking into.
>> Thx! 
>> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

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Misuboshi and Michelin World Tour tires I feel pre-date the recent 650b craze. 
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Re: [RBW] V-Brake and Canti...

[Patrick Moore]

Seriously: Install the Pauls right: get someone to do it for you if you
can't do it yourself. That will solve your shuddering problem, give you
good braking front and rear, save you from having to find a different brake
lever, and absolve you of the aesthetic sin of mismatched levers and brakes
front and rear.

Or not, it's your bike. But well set up cantis really ought to solve your
problem and look good doing it, besides.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:05 PM greenteadrinkers 
wrote:

> Hahaha, they are black. I actually bought them from a list member last
> spring, which included moon units. Also, bought a black 56cm Sam from a
> list member around that time. At the time, thinking was to go with the
> Pauls, but, happily was introduced to V-brakes. The fork vibration issue
> really only happens on fast descents, but, I never experienced that issue
> on other bikes with canti's. From what I gather, V-brakes have more
> stopping power, which I have found to be the case. The Canti's seem to have
> a less, which might be great for braking in the front?
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> So, you've got a pair of Paul cantilevers, one for the front and one for
>> the back ? Is not Bob your uncle?
>>
>> And would you care to discuss selling your extra pair of Paul cantis ...?
>> (Silver only ...)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, slumming with Tektro CR720s in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:44 PM greenteadrinkers 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With the v-brake up front, I tend to get this fork vibration I've never
>>> really experienced with a cantilever. The headset is nice and tight and
>>> nothing else seems to be problematic, just thinking if that vibration might
>>> be due to the different stopping power of v brakes, would the canti up
>>> front help reduce fork vibration and over more subtle braking modulation?
>>> Hopefully, this makes sense.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 What would you hope to gain by this sort of combination? Is it that
 you've found cantilevers less effective in the rear than desired?

 I've found this, at least using drop bar levers -- probably due to my
 ineptitude in installing them; but I've also found that a good canti design
 -- I like "high profile" arms -- properly set up gives good braking front
 and rear; as I never get tired of saying but I'm sure you get tired of
 hearing, the best brakes of all the very many types I've used over the
 years were the IRD wide-profile cantilevers with salmon pads set up by
 Rivendell staff on the drop-bar'd Sam Hillborne I bought back circa 2013 or
 so -- nothing better both for power, feel, and modulation; really
 wonderful.

 Short answer: "No, and I don't see why it *would* be worth looking
 into." But please explain your purpose, maybe there is a good reason to do
 this.

 On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:18 PM greenteadrinkers 
 wrote:

> Anyone ever use a Canti brake up front and V-brake in the back? I know
> I'd need different pull levers, which complicates things, but I've noticed
> up front, the V-brake can sometimes be a little more than I need, it's
> great in the back though. I have two sets of Paul neo-retro canti's 
> sitting
> around and was thinking the combination might be something weird worth
> looking into.
> Thx!
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for posting that; I didn't know that Ritchy had tried 650B so long
ago.

Cleland are wild; like nothing else on earth -- a wholly separate
evolutionary thread, like Australian marsupials.

Patrick Moore, who *likes* the way little, short 26" wheels with skinny
tires handle (24.75" with 27-28-29 mm Elk Passes) and prefers 29ers (29.6"
tall) for the local sand, in ABQ, NM.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:49 PM Benjamin L. Kelley <
benjamin.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting article about the history of 650b.
> https://www.handbuiltbicyclenews.com/c36-bicycle-wheels/196-the-renaissance-of-the-650b-wheel-0
> Has info from Grant about tires, and a picture from RR 33 in Fall 2004.
> About 1/2 way through the article.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:28 PM Matthew Cook 
> wrote:
>
>> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
>> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
>> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>>
>> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
>> back then?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>>
 I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
 adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
 existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
 dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.

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Re: [RBW] V-Brake and Canti...

[greenteadrinkers]

Hahaha, they are black. I actually bought them from a list member last 
spring, which included moon units. Also, bought a black 56cm Sam from a 
list member around that time. At the time, thinking was to go with the 
Pauls, but, happily was introduced to V-brakes. The fork vibration issue 
really only happens on fast descents, but, I never experienced that issue 
on other bikes with canti's. From what I gather, V-brakes have more 
stopping power, which I have found to be the case. The Canti's seem to have 
a less, which might be great for braking in the front?

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> So, you've got a pair of Paul cantilevers, one for the front and one for 
> the back ? Is not Bob your uncle?
>
> And would you care to discuss selling your extra pair of Paul cantis ...? 
> (Silver only ...)
>
> Patrick Moore, slumming with Tektro CR720s in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:44 PM greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
>> With the v-brake up front, I tend to get this fork vibration I've never 
>> really experienced with a cantilever. The headset is nice and tight and 
>> nothing else seems to be problematic, just thinking if that vibration might 
>> be due to the different stopping power of v brakes, would the canti up 
>> front help reduce fork vibration and over more subtle braking modulation? 
>> Hopefully, this makes sense.
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> What would you hope to gain by this sort of combination? Is it that 
>>> you've found cantilevers less effective in the rear than desired? 
>>>
>>> I've found this, at least using drop bar levers -- probably due to my 
>>> ineptitude in installing them; but I've also found that a good canti design 
>>> -- I like "high profile" arms -- properly set up gives good braking front 
>>> and rear; as I never get tired of saying but I'm sure you get tired of 
>>> hearing, the best brakes of all the very many types I've used over the 
>>> years were the IRD wide-profile cantilevers with salmon pads set up by 
>>> Rivendell staff on the drop-bar'd Sam Hillborne I bought back circa 2013 or 
>>> so -- nothing better both for power, feel, and modulation; really 
>>> wonderful. 
>>>
>>> Short answer: "No, and I don't see why it *would* be worth looking 
>>> into." But please explain your purpose, maybe there is a good reason to do 
>>> this.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:18 PM greenteadrinkers  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone ever use a Canti brake up front and V-brake in the back? I know 
 I'd need different pull levers, which complicates things, but I've noticed 
 up front, the V-brake can sometimes be a little more than I need, it's 
 great in the back though. I have two sets of Paul neo-retro canti's 
 sitting 
 around and was thinking the combination might be something weird worth 
 looking into.
 Thx! 
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Re: [RBW] V-Brake and Canti...

[Patrick Moore]

So, you've got a pair of Paul cantilevers, one for the front and one for
the back ? Is not Bob your uncle?

And would you care to discuss selling your extra pair of Paul cantis ...?
(Silver only ...)

Patrick Moore, slumming with Tektro CR720s in ABQ, NM.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:44 PM greenteadrinkers 
wrote:

> With the v-brake up front, I tend to get this fork vibration I've never
> really experienced with a cantilever. The headset is nice and tight and
> nothing else seems to be problematic, just thinking if that vibration might
> be due to the different stopping power of v brakes, would the canti up
> front help reduce fork vibration and over more subtle braking modulation?
> Hopefully, this makes sense.
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> What would you hope to gain by this sort of combination? Is it that
>> you've found cantilevers less effective in the rear than desired?
>>
>> I've found this, at least using drop bar levers -- probably due to my
>> ineptitude in installing them; but I've also found that a good canti design
>> -- I like "high profile" arms -- properly set up gives good braking front
>> and rear; as I never get tired of saying but I'm sure you get tired of
>> hearing, the best brakes of all the very many types I've used over the
>> years were the IRD wide-profile cantilevers with salmon pads set up by
>> Rivendell staff on the drop-bar'd Sam Hillborne I bought back circa 2013 or
>> so -- nothing better both for power, feel, and modulation; really
>> wonderful.
>>
>> Short answer: "No, and I don't see why it *would* be worth looking
>> into." But please explain your purpose, maybe there is a good reason to do
>> this.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:18 PM greenteadrinkers 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone ever use a Canti brake up front and V-brake in the back? I know
>>> I'd need different pull levers, which complicates things, but I've noticed
>>> up front, the V-brake can sometimes be a little more than I need, it's
>>> great in the back though. I have two sets of Paul neo-retro canti's sitting
>>> around and was thinking the combination might be something weird worth
>>> looking into.
>>> Thx!
>>> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Interesting article about the history of 650b.
https://www.handbuiltbicyclenews.com/c36-bicycle-wheels/196-the-renaissance-of-the-650b-wheel-0
Has info from Grant about tires, and a picture from RR 33 in Fall 2004.
About 1/2 way through the article.




On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:28 PM Matthew Cook 
wrote:

> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>
> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
> back then?
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>
>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>
>>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
>>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
>>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
>>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.
>>>
>>> Matt Cook in CT
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Patrick Moore]

I recall reading a book perhaps 25 years ago about a couple of British
brothers who, some 35-40 years ago, bought a couple of custom steel touring
bikes to take on a huge, lengthy tour of Asia; at least the subcontinent,
and Afghanistan too, I think.

Anyway, their bikes were built by a well-known name whom I forget, and they
chose double cranksets with no front derailleurs for the sake of
"simplicity," choosing instead to carry little wire hooks to grab and move
the chain from small to big ring after they'd kicked it with heel from big
to small ring. This was described at some length in the book.

Aside, but during the 2 years or so I owned my Ken Rogers British racing
tricycle, I rode it as a 1X with granny without front derailleur; the
granny used only occasionally. But the trike was different, since besides
kicking the chain to the small ring with your heel, as you can do with any
2-wheeler, the 3 wheels give you the stability to reach down at very low
speeds and delicately pick up the chain with your thumb and index finger to
place it on the big ring, without fear of veering or falling over. In fact,
I recall once stopping dead on a hill, and reaching way down to guide the
*bottom* run of the chain onto the big ring while I backpedaled; can't do
*that* with 2 wheels!

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:00 AM Paul M  wrote:

> . Stick shifting is the only way to go if your frame doesn't have a
> left side cable stop and your running a double crankset. Whatever gets you
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Re: [RBW] V-Brake and Canti...

[greenteadrinkers]

With the v-brake up front, I tend to get this fork vibration I've never 
really experienced with a cantilever. The headset is nice and tight and 
nothing else seems to be problematic, just thinking if that vibration might 
be due to the different stopping power of v brakes, would the canti up 
front help reduce fork vibration and over more subtle braking modulation? 
Hopefully, this makes sense.

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> What would you hope to gain by this sort of combination? Is it that you've 
> found cantilevers less effective in the rear than desired? 
>
> I've found this, at least using drop bar levers -- probably due to my 
> ineptitude in installing them; but I've also found that a good canti design 
> -- I like "high profile" arms -- properly set up gives good braking front 
> and rear; as I never get tired of saying but I'm sure you get tired of 
> hearing, the best brakes of all the very many types I've used over the 
> years were the IRD wide-profile cantilevers with salmon pads set up by 
> Rivendell staff on the drop-bar'd Sam Hillborne I bought back circa 2013 or 
> so -- nothing better both for power, feel, and modulation; really 
> wonderful. 
>
> Short answer: "No, and I don't see why it *would* be worth looking into." 
> But please explain your purpose, maybe there is a good reason to do this.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:18 PM greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone ever use a Canti brake up front and V-brake in the back? I know 
>> I'd need different pull levers, which complicates things, but I've noticed 
>> up front, the V-brake can sometimes be a little more than I need, it's 
>> great in the back though. I have two sets of Paul neo-retro canti's sitting 
>> around and was thinking the combination might be something weird worth 
>> looking into.
>> Thx! 
>> Scott
>>
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Re: [RBW] V-Brake and Canti...

[Patrick Moore]

What would you hope to gain by this sort of combination? Is it that you've
found cantilevers less effective in the rear than desired?

I've found this, at least using drop bar levers -- probably due to my
ineptitude in installing them; but I've also found that a good canti design
-- I like "high profile" arms -- properly set up gives good braking front
and rear; as I never get tired of saying but I'm sure you get tired of
hearing, the best brakes of all the very many types I've used over the
years were the IRD wide-profile cantilevers with salmon pads set up by
Rivendell staff on the drop-bar'd Sam Hillborne I bought back circa 2013 or
so -- nothing better both for power, feel, and modulation; really
wonderful.

Short answer: "No, and I don't see why it *would* be worth looking into."
But please explain your purpose, maybe there is a good reason to do this.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:18 PM greenteadrinkers 
wrote:

> Anyone ever use a Canti brake up front and V-brake in the back? I know I'd
> need different pull levers, which complicates things, but I've noticed up
> front, the V-brake can sometimes be a little more than I need, it's great
> in the back though. I have two sets of Paul neo-retro canti's sitting
> around and was thinking the combination might be something weird worth
> looking into.
> Thx!
> Scott
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Matthew Cook]

So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.

I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
back then?

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:

> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>
>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.
>>
>> Matt Cook in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Ur Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks Rich and others. I just had a nice ~20 mile out and about (ending up
at the grocery store 1 mile south of my house; the best kind of ride is a
huge detour to a practical destination). I had put the fixed wheel back on
it, the first time I've ridden the 48 X 17 fixed with the Naches Passes,
and the bike felt very, very fast and smooth. Perhaps I'll keep the NPs on
after all. Gearing is slightly higher at 72" than with the Elk Passes at
70", but the new frame seems to encourage torquing in a higher gear without
bogging down or -- symptom I've experienced with other bikes with fixed
drivetrains -- starting to cramp your quads after prolonged plugging away
in slightly too high a gear.

I can't say that I feel any performance disadvantage with the Schwalbe SV
12 tubes (again, at 150 grams, over twice the weight as -- and with
noticeably thicker walls than -- the SV 11 or whatever 26 X 1 / 650C X 23
skinnies). I may not bother to go tubeless.

Curious: does anyone have experience with Specialized's "Airlock" sealant?
This is a cheap, old-fashioned Slime type of sealant that I was told works
better in tubes at lower pressures -- I was told it is "like Slime but
better;" thus I've used it in the Naches Passes at 35-40 psi. So far, so
good; no goathead flats; but I wonder how it works in tubes at higher
pressures, like the 50-45 I use in the Elk Passes? It contains little wee
fiber bits, I understand, in a substrate that is claimed not to evaporate
the way Orange Seal or Stan's does -- glycol?. Has anyone used it and can
he or she say? It's half the price of the "better" sealants.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 9:47 AM RichS  wrote:

> Looks like it was well worth the effort Patrick. Thanks for sharing the
> saga of your Riv child creation. Highly approve!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:21:59 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I just read the article too. My reason is the handling. And the
>> tubes are also over 2X (150 versus 70 grams) as heavy, though that's less
>> of a concern. But I don't need 42 mm tires for pavement -- the 29s are very
>> smooth -- and 39s aren't sufficiently better than 29s in sand to make the
>> bike dirt road-friendly.
>>
>> Still, I'll put more miles on the NPs before deciding. If I do keep them
>> I may set them up tubeless.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:39 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice, Patrick. Your running narrative formed an image in my mind
>>> that made your picture seem familiar. I just got my latest BQ (which
>>> contains the next tire test) an in the editor's note JH says now that we're
>>> all satisfied that wider tires with lower inflation pressures aren't a big
>>> energy waste, we can ride more comfortably. Hope you do on your Matthews
>>> Road.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Not a Rivendell, but very definitely a son of Rivendell: The new
 Chauncey Matthews Road Bike for Road* newly shod with Rene Herse Naches
 Pass tires (in place of the default Elk Passes).

 Since the local dirt here is too sandy for the ~40 mm Naches Pass
 tires, I'm not sure I'll keep them on. The Elk Passes make the bike more
 nimble and agile, the NPs at ~40/35 make the ride pleasantly cushioned
 (tho' the EPs, 29 mm at ~55/50 or lower are not bad either).

 * So named because I also have an earlier Road Bike for Dirt.

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[RBW] V-Brake and Canti...

[greenteadrinkers]

Anyone ever use a Canti brake up front and V-brake in the back? I know I'd 
need different pull levers, which complicates things, but I've noticed up 
front, the V-brake can sometimes be a little more than I need, it's great 
in the back though. I have two sets of Paul neo-retro canti's sitting 
around and was thinking the combination might be something weird worth 
looking into.
Thx! 
Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel S]

650b Saluki, sorry for the typo,  

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 4:53:50 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki. 
>  The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were 
> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.  
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>
>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 
>>
>> Matt Cook in CT
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel S]

Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.  The 
only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were doing 
concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.  

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:

> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 
>
> Matt Cook in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joe Bernard]

Nope, there were very few 650b tires and Grant looked bonkers to even being 
trying this. Boy did THAT one work out! 

Another amusing Riv thing from the clothing side, suspenders! I still have 
a pair 

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 11:50:35 AM UTC-7 Matt C. wrote:

> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 
>
> Matt Cook in CT
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[RBW] Re: WTB/source for: 700c 1"threaded fork

[Paul Brodek]

It's not always easy to find hard numbers on replacement forks, but IME 
modern affordable replacement steel forks are not particularly 
lighter/lightish in weight. I think it's both for production cost reduction 
and for a mfr liability cushion in the face of gov't safety regs. I just 
checked some of the loose forks around here, all steel blades/steerer:

No-name replacement; Origin-8?: 1090g (long threadless steerer)
Nirve Fairfax production fork: 1010g
Soma/Tange replacement: 920g (long threadless steerer)
'90s Bianchi Eros production fork: 880g (for 61cm frame; threaded steerer)
'79 Fuji America production fork: 820g (for 61cm frame; threaded steerer)
'00s Zanconato custom fork: 800g (beefy big-boy build; frame's name was 
"Stomp")
'80s No-name Columbus SLX road fork: 770g (for 61cm frame; threaded steerer)
'82 Proteus 531 custom: 710g (for 61cm frame; threaded steerer)

I suppose "lighter/lightish" is always a relative thing, as in compared to 
what?, but I'd think you'd have to be getting close to 800g in steel to 
qualify as lightish. You're going to find those as used higher-end vintage 
forks, not off the rack from Surly/Soma/etc.

My Soma fork looks fine---built well, nice finish, inspires confidence. But 
I wouldn't call it lightish.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:47:40 AM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> Hi Bunch!
>
> Found a decent (and free!) triple butted steel frame (85 Univega Maxima 
> Sport Mixte) to start a commuter I'm building for a friend. Trouble is, no 
> fork.
>
> Looking for a used steel fork or recommendations for a new one. 
>
>- 1" threaded
>- Any color, but black preferred. 
>- Lighter/lightish steel also preferred.
>- Headtube is about 110mm w/o headset; with headset installed, about 
>135mm from bottom of crown race to top of top race.
>- Caliper brake. 
>- Fender eyelets a plus, 
>- + rack eyelets even better!
>
> I'm close to buying this Soma Fork 
> ,
>  
> but the only color I don't want is chrome. If I find nothing, I'll go this 
> route *(and if I do, the 140mm will fit, right?) *Although I'd rather 
> spend less than 100 shipped...
>
> Thanks for your help!
> Patch
> BK/NY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Matthew Cook]

I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.

Matt Cook in CT

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Re: [RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[Michael Cyr]

Is this bike still available?

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:37:37 AM UTC-4 eric swain wrote:

> Price drop! $2300 shipped!
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 12:44:39 PM UTC-7 eric swain wrote:
>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16fE_npofU5Pz_KcFwU1uh8OfxvadUyJ5?usp=sharing
>>
>> Ok, think I got it. Let me know if this works. Thanks for your patience!
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-7 eric swain wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_7313.JPG]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Patrick Cronin]

Custom design and fabrication of a friction shifter in 2020.
Custom design and fabrication of cantilever brakes in 2020.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:43:36 PM UTC-4 J L wrote:

> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
> box. Stick shifting?
>
> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.
>
> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.
>
> Cheers
> Jason

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Paul M]

The model name "Hunqapillar" that was inspired from a very large mailbox 
some place in the mid-west on Grant's ride across the country. But turns 
out to be my favorite name and Rivendell model. Stick shifting is the only 
way to go if your frame doesn't have a left side cable stop and your 
running a double crankset. Whatever gets you down the road

On Friday, 16 October 2020 08:42:38 UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>
> How about wooden neckties from a few years back?
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
>> Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to 
>> have around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the 
>> splats, but I see their (dorky) practicality!
>>
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>>
>>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>>> box. Stick shifting? 
>>>
>>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 
>>>
>>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 
>>>
>>> Cheers 
>>> Jason
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Ur Riv

[RichS]

Looks like it was well worth the effort Patrick. Thanks for sharing the 
saga of your Riv child creation. Highly approve!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:21:59 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. I just read the article too. My reason is the handling. And the 
> tubes are also over 2X (150 versus 70 grams) as heavy, though that's less 
> of a concern. But I don't need 42 mm tires for pavement -- the 29s are very 
> smooth -- and 39s aren't sufficiently better than 29s in sand to make the 
> bike dirt road-friendly.
>
> Still, I'll put more miles on the NPs before deciding. If I do keep them I 
> may set them up tubeless.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:39 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>
>> Very nice, Patrick. Your running narrative formed an image in my mind 
>> that made your picture seem familiar. I just got my latest BQ (which 
>> contains the next tire test) an in the editor's note JH says now that we're 
>> all satisfied that wider tires with lower inflation pressures aren't a big 
>> energy waste, we can ride more comfortably. Hope you do on your Matthews 
>> Road. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Not a Rivendell, but very definitely a son of Rivendell: The new 
>>> Chauncey Matthews Road Bike for Road* newly shod with Rene Herse Naches 
>>> Pass tires (in place of the default Elk Passes).
>>>
>>> Since the local dirt here is too sandy for the ~40 mm Naches Pass tires, 
>>> I'm not sure I'll keep them on. The Elk Passes make the bike more nimble 
>>> and agile, the NPs at ~40/35 make the ride pleasantly cushioned (tho' the 
>>> EPs, 29 mm at ~55/50 or lower are not bad either). 
>>>
>>> * So named because I also have an earlier Road Bike for Dirt.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[RichS]

How about wooden neckties from a few years back?

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

> Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
> Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to have 
> around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the splats, 
> but I see their (dorky) practicality!
>
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>
>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>> box. Stick shifting?
>>
>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.
>>
>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jason
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Edwin W]

Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to have 
around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the splats, 
but I see their (dorky) practicality!


Edwin

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:

> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
> box. Stick shifting?
>
> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.
>
> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.
>
> Cheers
> Jason

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Marc Irwin]

Just taking the chance to show off my Sam, lookin' good with the new 
Happisack.

Mar


c
[image: Happisack.jpg]

Marc

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 2:29:13 PM UTC-5 Adam Leibow wrote:

> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: WTB/source for: 700c 1"threaded fork

[George Schick]

http://www.bikeman.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY_Code=Road_Fork===price-asc


On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 8:47:40 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Hi Bunch!
>
> Found a decent (and free!) triple butted steel frame (85 Univega Maxima 
> Sport Mixte) to start a commuter I'm building for a friend. Trouble is, no 
> fork.
>
> Looking for a used steel fork or recommendations for a new one. 
>
>- 1" threaded
>- Any color, but black preferred. 
>- Lighter/lightish steel also preferred.
>- Headtube is about 110mm w/o headset; with headset installed, about 
>135mm from bottom of crown race to top of top race.
>- Caliper brake. 
>- Fender eyelets a plus, 
>- + rack eyelets even better!
>
> I'm close to buying this Soma Fork 
> ,
>  
> but the only color I don't want is chrome. If I find nothing, I'll go this 
> route *(and if I do, the 140mm will fit, right?) *Although I'd rather 
> spend less than 100 shipped...
>
> Thanks for your help!
> Patch
> BK/NY
>

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[RBW] WTB/source for: 700c 1"threaded fork

[Patch T]

Hi Bunch!

Found a decent (and free!) triple butted steel frame (85 Univega Maxima 
Sport Mixte) to start a commuter I'm building for a friend. Trouble is, no 
fork.

Looking for a used steel fork or recommendations for a new one. 

   - 1" threaded
   - Any color, but black preferred. 
   - Lighter/lightish steel also preferred.
   - Headtube is about 110mm w/o headset; with headset installed, about 
   135mm from bottom of crown race to top of top race.
   - Caliper brake. 
   - Fender eyelets a plus, 
   - + rack eyelets even better!

I'm close to buying this Soma Fork 
,
 
but the only color I don't want is chrome. If I find nothing, I'll go this 
route *(and if I do, the 140mm will fit, right?) *Although I'd rather spend 
less than 100 shipped...

Thanks for your help!
Patch
BK/NY

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Ben Mihovk]

*Consider the how they're the only ones (I know of) doing the long 
chainstay thing. *
I'm just a few weeks into riding my new Atlantis, and I have to say...I 
don't think I want a bike with traditional chainstays ever again. As a tall 
guy who feels pretty elevated when I'm on a bike, I appreciate the nearly 
exorbitant wheelbase on this bike. 
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:34:41 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> Consider the how they're the only ones (I know of) doing the long 
> chainstay thing.  IIRC, this started out as the "tentacular chainstays" a 
> few years back.  Something like "if I can get a dozen people to commit to 
> buying a new idea, sight unseen & no details, I'll build something I've 
> been thinking about."  One of GP's most interesting marketing approaches.  
> Low'n'behold, now we have a bunch of models using that idea.  But if a 
> dozen (or whatever the number was) of adventureous people hadn't stepped 
> up, it wouldn't have happened.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:43:36 PM UTC-7, J L wrote:
>>
>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>> box. Stick shifting? 
>>
>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 
>>
>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 
>>
>> Cheers 
>> Jason
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Ur Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I just read the article too. My reason is the handling. And the
tubes are also over 2X (150 versus 70 grams) as heavy, though that's less
of a concern. But I don't need 42 mm tires for pavement -- the 29s are very
smooth -- and 39s aren't sufficiently better than 29s in sand to make the
bike dirt road-friendly.

Still, I'll put more miles on the NPs before deciding. If I do keep them I
may set them up tubeless.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:39 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> Very nice, Patrick. Your running narrative formed an image in my mind that
> made your picture seem familiar. I just got my latest BQ (which contains
> the next tire test) an in the editor's note JH says now that we're all
> satisfied that wider tires with lower inflation pressures aren't a big
> energy waste, we can ride more comfortably. Hope you do on your Matthews
> Road.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Not a Rivendell, but very definitely a son of Rivendell: The new Chauncey
>> Matthews Road Bike for Road* newly shod with Rene Herse Naches Pass tires
>> (in place of the default Elk Passes).
>>
>> Since the local dirt here is too sandy for the ~40 mm Naches Pass tires,
>> I'm not sure I'll keep them on. The Elk Passes make the bike more nimble
>> and agile, the NPs at ~40/35 make the ride pleasantly cushioned (tho' the
>> EPs, 29 mm at ~55/50 or lower are not bad either).
>>
>> * So named because I also have an earlier Road Bike for Dirt.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Post Ur Riv

[ascpgh]

Very nice, Patrick. Your running narrative formed an image in my mind that 
made your picture seem familiar. I just got my latest BQ (which contains 
the next tire test) an in the editor's note JH says now that we're all 
satisfied that wider tires with lower inflation pressures aren't a big 
energy waste, we can ride more comfortably. Hope you do on your Matthews 
Road. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Not a Rivendell, but very definitely a son of Rivendell: The new Chauncey 
> Matthews Road Bike for Road* newly shod with Rene Herse Naches Pass tires 
> (in place of the default Elk Passes).
>
> Since the local dirt here is too sandy for the ~40 mm Naches Pass tires, 
> I'm not sure I'll keep them on. The Elk Passes make the bike more nimble 
> and agile, the NPs at ~40/35 make the ride pleasantly cushioned (tho' the 
> EPs, 29 mm at ~55/50 or lower are not bad either). 
>
> * So named because I also have an earlier Road Bike for Dirt.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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