Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Drw]

Ill add my name to the list of being disappointed by 28.6. I had a 
hunqapillar from before the switch that was 27.2, sold it and bought a new 
waterford atlantis a couple years ago. I was pretty bummed that the 
seatpost had been shrunk on what, for me, was almost a custom bike (also 
why a supposedly less heavy duty bike needed a more heavy duty seat tube). 
i suppose for a lot of people, theyll get the kalloy post and never 
know/care/change it, but i do wish i was told.  i suppose i should stock a 
couple extras, since it seems like nitto barely makes them now and while 
kalloy does, who knows how long that will last. 

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 4:32:35 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> "Always"? That's a pretty long time.
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/seatpost-sizes.html
>
> I own 15 theoretically buildable/rideable steel framesets (3 Follis, 2 
> Raleigh, 2 VooDoo, 1 each Bertin, Bianchi, Lambert, Mercier, Peugeot, 
> Schwinn, Trek, a no-name frame that I suspect to be Tim Neenan, a Santa 
> Cruz builder who went on to design the Sequoia at Specialized). The age 
> range is 1950-1999; the tubing includes house brands (Peugeot, Mercier), 
> Reynolds 531, Columbus SL, Tange (the VooDoos), Vitus, Durifort, Accles & 
> Pollock and Trusty.
>
> The seatpost diameters range from 25.4-27.2. While the largest pool is at 
> 27.2 (1988 Bianchi Superleggera, 1974 Schwinn Paramount, the Neenan, 1999 
> VooDoo Hoodoo), there's a pool at 26.8 that's nearly as large (Lambert, 
> 1969 Raleigh Competition, 1995 VooDoo Hoodoo). The two French gaspipey 
> bikes from Peugeot and Mercier are both 25.4; the Peugeot is a thickwall 
> 50s 650B townie frame, while the Bike Boom Mercier has a sleeve for a 
> cheapy steel seatpin that I haven't tried to extract, so I don't know what 
> the real seatpost size is.
>
> In general, my older French frames are either gaspipe with 25.4, metric 
> Reynolds 531 at 26.4, or non-Reynolds name brand tubing with 26.0-26.2. In 
> Imperial tubing, DB Reynolds/Columbus/Tange is 27.0-27.4; straight tube 
> Reynolds is 26.4-26.8.
>
> Even then, it depends on the build environment. Did the frames come off a 
> production line, or were they made by individual craftspeople? How much 
> time did they have available? Better-quality frames made by skilled 
> builders out of better-quality tubing usually have larger diameter 
> seatposts, because the frames use stronger tubing which can have 
> correspondingly thinner walls, so there's a wider diameter for a setapost. 
> If the builder has more time, they can ream the seat tube out to fit a 
> larger seatpost (Waterford does this as a general practice, which is why 
> their standard seatpost for 531 frames is 27.4). But on a production line 
> (Schwinn, Raleigh, Peugeot, Gitane etc) where the principle was to get the 
> bike down the line, the seatpost-install guy might try to fit the 
> theoretical "ideal" seatpost (say 27.2, for Imperial Reynolds 531 DB), find 
> that it doesn't fit (maybe due to distortion in the seat cluster by the 
> heat of the brazing, or maybe the torch guy accidentally flipped the seat 
> tube upside down and the thick part is at the seat cluster instead of the 
> BB shell), and so they stick a 27.0 seatpost in, quick and dirty. Get the 
> product down the line! That's my suspicion as to why my 1984 Trek 720 
> (Imperial Reynolds 531c DB) has a 27.0, instead of the 27.2 post in the 
> specs.
>
> So, the size of the seatpost is the size that fits the frame, unless 
> somebody chooses to do something special to the frame. Probably the biggest 
> reason that the industry treats 27.2 as a de facto standard now is because 
> of several decades of oversize tubing aluminum frames, where a 27.2 
> seatpost will fit into tubing that's already got thick walls.
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:57:16 PM UTC-7 fraze...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, when I finally made the decision to actually buy a Rivendell 
>> instead of just lusting after one...I was actually surprised that the 
>> frames aren't spec'd with 27.2 seat tubes...its always been kinda the 
>> unofficial size for steel frames. 
>>
>> It's Grant though, so 落
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: AHH 61cm blue

[Ed S]

This is sold. Thank you to the buyer and the interested members! 

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 9:06:05 AM UTC-7 Ed S wrote:

>  A Homer Hilsen. Pristine condition. Bought in late 2011 but has been 
> ridden for only 1,302 miles (I have 3 bikes, a heavy workload and two new 
> grandkids since then). Built by Mark Abele and wheels custom built by Rich 
> Lesnik (DT Swiss 350 hubs 32H with DT Swiss TK540 rims 700c).  Saddle is 
> Selle Anatomica NSH2 (less than 100 miles). Shimano Bar end shifter for 
> rear derailer, but same shifter mounted in the downtube for front 
> derailer (will include shifter mount for left handlebar).  Pedals are VP 
> (gray). Sugino compact double crankset 170 48x34 gears, 9 speed cassette 
> 11-32. Extras include Nitto R14 rear rack, two bottle cages and Cateye 
> Padrone computer. Will send more photos and specs if you are interested.
> Reason for sale: downsizing from 3 to 1 bike.
>
> 2,450 boxed and shipped. Please give me a week or two to box it because 
> many bike shops are very busy. Thank you! 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wavie Bar unused

[Ed S]

This is sold. Thank you the buyer and to all the interested members.

On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 7:07:37 AM UTC-7 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> PM sent
>
> On Saturday, 16 October 2021 at 11:10:12 UTC-5 Ed S wrote:
>
>> For Sale:  Wavie Bar 660 x 25.4.   Not used or installed at all.  $70.00 
>> shipped. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Lotto

[iamkeith]

Oh my god!!!  That Stumpy is my last remaining  personal holy grail dream 
bike that I could never find and probably don't need.  PLEASE keep me in 
mind if you ever want to get rid of it.  (Since it sounds like your kids 
dont want it.)  

Regarding the stigma of step-through bikes:  I suspect every male wrestles 
with it.  But I also believe that every enlightened person who rides long 
enough and is able to put function and logic and wisdom above  fashion and 
stereotype and insecurity will eventually "get it. " I do think that the 
younger someone is, the quicker they'll  be able to get there. Even if it's 
not immediate.  Not just because they're less fixated on gender roles than 
older generations, but because bike fashion is grooming them to accept low 
top tubes.  Think about Jones Spaceframes or pretty much any modern, 
carbon, full-suspension rig.  Those are macho bikes by anyone's standards. 
Wolbis Slugstone was a badass too.

Coincidentally and case in point, my son has one of the newest 
Stumpjumpers, an S-works, carbon, enduro bike. It's interesting.  The way 
specialized now sizes bikes like his is to make the standover and stack 
heights pretty much identical, regardless of frame size.  So the top tube 
is LOW. The only thing that changes is the effective top tube length, so 
any rider can opt for any frame size depending on ride characteristic 
preference, and then adjust to fit with stem and seatpost, etc.

But I derailed this thread, didn't  I

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-6 El Sapo wrote:

> You think 30 year old men are going to select the women's version of a 
> bike more often than a toad like me? Because they aren't stigmatized? I'll 
> ride a pink Stumpjumper Team occasionally (called a "Barbie bike" by a 
> little girl on the trail). My 30 something son and his friends are freaked 
> out by it and would never ride it.   
>
> Grant probably regrets putting men's and women's names on his bikes. 
> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> And to plagiarize myself a bit from that convo, some of us older dudes 
>> carry a stigma about step-throughs/mixtes that anyone under 30 would 
>> consider baffling. In reality it's just a tube brazed down lower on another 
>> tube instead of up higher, and most modern road and mountain bikes have 
>> sloping toptubes anyway! As our Bicycle Belle Ding Ding Leah says, 
>> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>>
>> I hope you get that Clem, Doug! 
>>
>> Joe "didn't kick my droptube today" Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 7:02:44 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I bought a lottery ticket for a Clem and now I wait. Not sure how 
>>> I feel about this system but it does seem a more fair way to sell the 
>>> limited amount of bikes. This may be the new normal for awhile until the 
>>> cargo backlog clears up. I read somewhere that the cost per bike to ship by 
>>> cargo ship has gone from $17 per bike to about $70 per bike in some cases. 
>>> I don't know how accurate these figures are but I don't doubt the increase. 
>>> Couple that with the increased demand and decreased supply coming out of 
>>> factories and one can easily understand the price increases across the 
>>> markets.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I was texting Joe earlier today about my reservation about 
>>> buying a step-through frame and he was saying he loves his custom with the 
>>> low top tube. I looked at a few builds online including Grant's Clem L and 
>>> they just look so nice. At 54 years old I will enjoy stepping through the 
>>> frame instead of having to do a leg lift every time I ride. One other 
>>> random thought...I wonder if the Platypus has lowered the demand for the 
>>> Clem L?
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:24:52 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Aha... Thank you, John, for that note. Must have been a glitch. I just 
 clicked on that link and was able to purchase. 
 Winter is fast approaching here in MI, so we'll prob. have to pickle it 
 until late Spring. 

 - Max " pickles" in A2

 On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 2:50:59 PM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:

> >> Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I checked was 
> apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery tickets to 
> sell out. Maybe >> later folks will start to auction off their "lottery 
> tickets"?.. 
>
> Not to worry. The lottery tickets are NOT sold out, as of Thursday, 
> October 7, at 11:49AM (PDST)
>
> Get 'em here: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/clem-smith-lotto-ticket-z?variant=40615872757871
>
> Thanks! 
>
> john(at)rivbike(dot)com
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 9:40:12 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> *Johnny Alien wrote:*
>>
>>> I think the word "presale" is a bit misleading as to what is being 
>>> suggested here.  The suggestion is that they should start a 

Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Peter Adler]

"Always"? That's a pretty long time.

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/seatpost-sizes.html

I own 15 theoretically buildable/rideable steel framesets (3 Follis, 2 
Raleigh, 2 VooDoo, 1 each Bertin, Bianchi, Lambert, Mercier, Peugeot, 
Schwinn, Trek, a no-name frame that I suspect to be Tim Neenan, a Santa 
Cruz builder who went on to design the Sequoia at Specialized). The age 
range is 1950-1999; the tubing includes house brands (Peugeot, Mercier), 
Reynolds 531, Columbus SL, Tange (the VooDoos), Vitus, Durifort, Accles & 
Pollock and Trusty.

The seatpost diameters range from 25.4-27.2. While the largest pool is at 
27.2 (1988 Bianchi Superleggera, 1974 Schwinn Paramount, the Neenan, 1999 
VooDoo Hoodoo), there's a pool at 26.8 that's nearly as large (Lambert, 
1969 Raleigh Competition, 1995 VooDoo Hoodoo). The two French gaspipey 
bikes from Peugeot and Mercier are both 25.4; the Peugeot is a thickwall 
50s 650B townie frame, while the Bike Boom Mercier has a sleeve for a 
cheapy steel seatpin that I haven't tried to extract, so I don't know what 
the real seatpost size is.

In general, my older French frames are either gaspipe with 25.4, metric 
Reynolds 531 at 26.4, or non-Reynolds name brand tubing with 26.0-26.2. In 
Imperial tubing, DB Reynolds/Columbus/Tange is 27.0-27.4; straight tube 
Reynolds is 26.4-26.8.

Even then, it depends on the build environment. Did the frames come off a 
production line, or were they made by individual craftspeople? How much 
time did they have available? Better-quality frames made by skilled 
builders out of better-quality tubing usually have larger diameter 
seatposts, because the frames use stronger tubing which can have 
correspondingly thinner walls, so there's a wider diameter for a setapost. 
If the builder has more time, they can ream the seat tube out to fit a 
larger seatpost (Waterford does this as a general practice, which is why 
their standard seatpost for 531 frames is 27.4). But on a production line 
(Schwinn, Raleigh, Peugeot, Gitane etc) where the principle was to get the 
bike down the line, the seatpost-install guy might try to fit the 
theoretical "ideal" seatpost (say 27.2, for Imperial Reynolds 531 DB), find 
that it doesn't fit (maybe due to distortion in the seat cluster by the 
heat of the brazing, or maybe the torch guy accidentally flipped the seat 
tube upside down and the thick part is at the seat cluster instead of the 
BB shell), and so they stick a 27.0 seatpost in, quick and dirty. Get the 
product down the line! That's my suspicion as to why my 1984 Trek 720 
(Imperial Reynolds 531c DB) has a 27.0, instead of the 27.2 post in the 
specs.

So, the size of the seatpost is the size that fits the frame, unless 
somebody chooses to do something special to the frame. Probably the biggest 
reason that the industry treats 27.2 as a de facto standard now is because 
of several decades of oversize tubing aluminum frames, where a 27.2 
seatpost will fit into tubing that's already got thick walls.

Peter Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:57:16 PM UTC-7 fraze...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, when I finally made the decision to actually buy a Rivendell instead 
> of just lusting after one...I was actually surprised that the frames aren't 
> spec'd with 27.2 seat tubes...its always been kinda the unofficial size for 
> steel frames. 
>
> It's Grant though, so 落
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Lotto

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Fantastic Stumpy! Plenty of fans of pink ones - especially the team. Yours 
looks mint/original. Here's more:

1985 Stumpjumper Review 


A Legacy of Pink 


Marty
On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:06:54 PM UTC-4 El Sapo wrote:

> [image: Pink Stumpjumper Team.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 1:56:49 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>
>> You think 30 year old men are going to select the women's version of a 
>> bike more often than a toad like me? Because they aren't stigmatized? I'll 
>> ride a pink Stumpjumper Team occasionally (called a "Barbie bike" by a 
>> little girl on the trail). My 30 something son and his friends are freaked 
>> out by it and would never ride it.   
>>
>> Grant probably regrets putting men's and women's names on his bikes. 
>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> And to plagiarize myself a bit from that convo, some of us older dudes 
>>> carry a stigma about step-throughs/mixtes that anyone under 30 would 
>>> consider baffling. In reality it's just a tube brazed down lower on another 
>>> tube instead of up higher, and most modern road and mountain bikes have 
>>> sloping toptubes anyway! As our Bicycle Belle Ding Ding Leah says, 
>>> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>>>
>>> I hope you get that Clem, Doug! 
>>>
>>> Joe "didn't kick my droptube today" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 7:02:44 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Well, I bought a lottery ticket for a Clem and now I wait. Not sure how 
 I feel about this system but it does seem a more fair way to sell the 
 limited amount of bikes. This may be the new normal for awhile until the 
 cargo backlog clears up. I read somewhere that the cost per bike to ship 
 by 
 cargo ship has gone from $17 per bike to about $70 per bike in some cases. 
 I don't know how accurate these figures are but I don't doubt the 
 increase. 
 Couple that with the increased demand and decreased supply coming out of 
 factories and one can easily understand the price increases across the 
 markets.

 Anyway, I was texting Joe earlier today about my reservation about 
 buying a step-through frame and he was saying he loves his custom with the 
 low top tube. I looked at a few builds online including Grant's Clem L and 
 they just look so nice. At 54 years old I will enjoy stepping through the 
 frame instead of having to do a leg lift every time I ride. One other 
 random thought...I wonder if the Platypus has lowered the demand for the 
 Clem L?
 Doug

 On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:24:52 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Aha... Thank you, John, for that note. Must have been a glitch. I just 
> clicked on that link and was able to purchase. 
> Winter is fast approaching here in MI, so we'll prob. have to pickle 
> it until late Spring. 
>
> - Max " pickles" in A2
>
> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 2:50:59 PM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> >> Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I checked was 
>> apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery tickets to 
>> sell out. Maybe >> later folks will start to auction off their "lottery 
>> tickets"?.. 
>>
>> Not to worry. The lottery tickets are NOT sold out, as of Thursday, 
>> October 7, at 11:49AM (PDST)
>>
>> Get 'em here: 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/clem-smith-lotto-ticket-z?variant=40615872757871
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> john(at)rivbike(dot)com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 9:40:12 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> *Johnny Alien wrote:*
>>>
 I think the word "presale" is a bit misleading as to what is being 
 suggested here.  The suggestion is that they should start a list like 
 custom builders do. Lay down that $50 and you are added to the list.  
 When 
 you are up they contact you and if you have changed your mind in the 
 year 
 that it has taken they can move on to the next name.
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed. What Riv is currently devising seems convoluted... But the 
>>> approach seems to work for the company and, really, is not different 
>>> from 
>>> what advertising has done in the past and continues to do. 
>>>
>>> I'm awash in bikes, but wanted to snag a Clem L in a warm color for 
>>> my spouse. Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I 
>>> checked 
>>> was apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery 
>>> tickets to 
>>> sell out. Maybe later folks will start to auction off their "lottery 
>>> tickets"?.. 
>>>
>>> I am curious how well the supply chain is going to recover, and what 
>>> it'll do to the demand and 

[RBW] Re: Clem Lotto

[El Sapo]

You think 30 year old men are going to select the women's version of a bike 
more often than a toad like me? Because they aren't stigmatized? I'll ride 
a pink Stumpjumper Team occasionally (called a "Barbie bike" by a little 
girl on the trail). My 30 something son and his friends are freaked out by 
it and would never ride it.   

Grant probably regrets putting men's and women's names on his bikes. 
On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> And to plagiarize myself a bit from that convo, some of us older dudes 
> carry a stigma about step-throughs/mixtes that anyone under 30 would 
> consider baffling. In reality it's just a tube brazed down lower on another 
> tube instead of up higher, and most modern road and mountain bikes have 
> sloping toptubes anyway! As our Bicycle Belle Ding Ding Leah says, 
> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>
> I hope you get that Clem, Doug! 
>
> Joe "didn't kick my droptube today" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 7:02:44 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Well, I bought a lottery ticket for a Clem and now I wait. Not sure how I 
>> feel about this system but it does seem a more fair way to sell the limited 
>> amount of bikes. This may be the new normal for awhile until the cargo 
>> backlog clears up. I read somewhere that the cost per bike to ship by cargo 
>> ship has gone from $17 per bike to about $70 per bike in some cases. I 
>> don't know how accurate these figures are but I don't doubt the increase. 
>> Couple that with the increased demand and decreased supply coming out of 
>> factories and one can easily understand the price increases across the 
>> markets.
>>
>> Anyway, I was texting Joe earlier today about my reservation about buying 
>> a step-through frame and he was saying he loves his custom with the low top 
>> tube. I looked at a few builds online including Grant's Clem L and they 
>> just look so nice. At 54 years old I will enjoy stepping through the frame 
>> instead of having to do a leg lift every time I ride. One other random 
>> thought...I wonder if the Platypus has lowered the demand for the Clem L?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:24:52 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Aha... Thank you, John, for that note. Must have been a glitch. I just 
>>> clicked on that link and was able to purchase. 
>>> Winter is fast approaching here in MI, so we'll prob. have to pickle it 
>>> until late Spring. 
>>>
>>> - Max " pickles" in A2
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 2:50:59 PM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:
>>>
 >> Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I checked was 
 apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery tickets to 
 sell out. Maybe >> later folks will start to auction off their "lottery 
 tickets"?.. 

 Not to worry. The lottery tickets are NOT sold out, as of Thursday, 
 October 7, at 11:49AM (PDST)

 Get 'em here: 
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/clem-smith-lotto-ticket-z?variant=40615872757871

 Thanks! 

 john(at)rivbike(dot)com




 On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 9:40:12 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> *Johnny Alien wrote:*
>
>> I think the word "presale" is a bit misleading as to what is being 
>> suggested here.  The suggestion is that they should start a list like 
>> custom builders do. Lay down that $50 and you are added to the list.  
>> When 
>> you are up they contact you and if you have changed your mind in the 
>> year 
>> that it has taken they can move on to the next name.
>
>
> Agreed. What Riv is currently devising seems convoluted... But the 
> approach seems to work for the company and, really, is not different from 
> what advertising has done in the past and continues to do. 
>
> I'm awash in bikes, but wanted to snag a Clem L in a warm color for my 
> spouse. Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I checked 
> was 
> apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery tickets to 
> sell out. Maybe later folks will start to auction off their "lottery 
> tickets"?.. 
>
> I am curious how well the supply chain is going to recover, and what 
> it'll do to the demand and prices for bikes. Not that I'm selling or 
> buying 
> mine anytime soon, just curious. 
>
> - Max "emotionally overly attached to certain tangible objects on two 
> wheels" in A2
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Joe Bernard]

What I appreciate about that thread is the reminder of how little I had to 
say on the subject and how often I said it. Why was I talking?? 臘

Joe "I have nothing to say.. repeatedly" Bernard

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 11:19:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Here is the previous thread about the 26.8 seatpost size.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/2ivUFNnqt-I/m/_wGi3ofDBwAJ
>
> To Hugh and anyone else taking issue with the post size, by all means 
> contact Grant @Riv. We can ask why 'till the comes come home here but not 
> asking Grant/the designer is overlooking the obvious. Sure "they" @Riv may 
> read this but to ask and complain without directing it to the source of the 
> question is fruitless. Speculation speculates and that's all it does.  
>
> I'm no fan of 26.8 either as I have some new 27.2 black Salsa Shafts 
> awaiting frames. Those are by far the best post I've used, including the 
> 2-bolt Nitto. I don't mind some black parts myself as they are so easy 
> clean and they never corrode. 
>
> I've done a deep dive into 26.8 posts worldwide and while yes you can find 
> some besides Nitto, the choices are meager. Then again even in 27.2 the 
> choice isn't great as it seems on the surface. Many if not most of the 
> lower cost posts are various rebranded Kalloys. Myself I wouldn't use one, 
> mostly due to their shallow bolt design and some with a small clamp area.  
> If you're good at searching things online you'll find a few others but most 
> are black, if that matters to you, and few if any have a full 23-25mm 
> setback. So I ended right back to getting a Nitto S-83. The price is 
> outrageous for a post if you really think about it.. but then again 
>  the egomaniaclal "I'm so offended." doesn't discriminate as to 
> what the offence may appear to be as long as it's fed. The only way to 
> "win" that game is to not play at all and be on your very merry way. 
>
> The best looking 26.8 post that does have some setback is a Miche 
> Supertype. Retroregression sells them in various colors but the silver has 
> been out of stock since last year. They have gold and blue and red though 
> . I would've gotten a gold one but decided to get a Nitto instead. 
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 12:24:06 PM UTC-4 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> I agree the lugs used (no matter the design) accept the same OS diameter 
>> tubing but Rivendell went with thicker walled tubing. The question is why? 
>> To me Grant not wanting to ream out the seat tube could effectively be 
>> solved by choosing a thinner walled tubing. I think it's a structural 
>> decision as I mentioned before. Laing, I wonder if by reaming out the 
>> inside of the seat tube you are voiding the warranty? Probably NBD unless 
>> you ride like Manny and need all the extra gussets and tube wall thickness. 
>>
>> David, basically my issue boils down to lack of availability which 
>> obviously has been exacerbated by the pandemics supply chain disruption. 
>> Yet still if I want a 27.2 post NBD.
>>
>> Eric and Laing, I agree with a lugged post in 26.8mm please!
>>  
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:45 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, your point is exactly my point.  If you use the same lugs you do 
>>> not change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work.  If you want to use 
>>> the same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the 
>>> inside, so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube.  That's my 
>>> understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter.
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley  wrote:
>>>
 Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of 
 the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same 
 lugs 
 as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
 Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I 
 am going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine 
 Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till 
 December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the 
 black Clementine.

 Laing Conley
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th 
> last year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they 
> changed the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 
> Hillborne (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a 
> different 
> style than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I 
> notice 
> the Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but 
> both 
> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd 

[RBW] FT Only: 56cm Canti Sam Hillborne Coupled and 58cm Quickbeam for 58 Saluki

[Karl]

In an effort to get down to one bike… and to own the one I should have 
bought when Rivendell still produced them… Any interest in a 2 for one 
swap? Nice builds. I can send details if someone will let go of a 58cm 
Saluki!

Thanks

Karl
Nashville, TN

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Garth]

Here is the previous thread about the 26.8 seatpost size.

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/2ivUFNnqt-I/m/_wGi3ofDBwAJ

To Hugh and anyone else taking issue with the post size, by all means 
contact Grant @Riv. We can ask why 'till the comes come home here but not 
asking Grant/the designer is overlooking the obvious. Sure "they" @Riv may 
read this but to ask and complain without directing it to the source of the 
question is fruitless. Speculation speculates and that's all it does.  

I'm no fan of 26.8 either as I have some new 27.2 black Salsa Shafts 
awaiting frames. Those are by far the best post I've used, including the 
2-bolt Nitto. I don't mind some black parts myself as they are so easy 
clean and they never corrode. 

I've done a deep dive into 26.8 posts worldwide and while yes you can find 
some besides Nitto, the choices are meager. Then again even in 27.2 the 
choice isn't great as it seems on the surface. Many if not most of the 
lower cost posts are various rebranded Kalloys. Myself I wouldn't use one, 
mostly due to their shallow bolt design and some with a small clamp area.  
If you're good at searching things online you'll find a few others but most 
are black, if that matters to you, and few if any have a full 23-25mm 
setback. So I ended right back to getting a Nitto S-83. The price is 
outrageous for a post if you really think about it.. but then again 
 the egomaniaclal "I'm so offended." doesn't discriminate as to 
what the offence may appear to be as long as it's fed. The only way to 
"win" that game is to not play at all and be on your very merry way. 

The best looking 26.8 post that does have some setback is a Miche 
Supertype. Retroregression sells them in various colors but the silver has 
been out of stock since last year. They have gold and blue and red though 
. I would've gotten a gold one but decided to get a Nitto instead. 
On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 12:24:06 PM UTC-4 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> I agree the lugs used (no matter the design) accept the same OS diameter 
> tubing but Rivendell went with thicker walled tubing. The question is why? 
> To me Grant not wanting to ream out the seat tube could effectively be 
> solved by choosing a thinner walled tubing. I think it's a structural 
> decision as I mentioned before. Laing, I wonder if by reaming out the 
> inside of the seat tube you are voiding the warranty? Probably NBD unless 
> you ride like Manny and need all the extra gussets and tube wall thickness. 
>
> David, basically my issue boils down to lack of availability which 
> obviously has been exacerbated by the pandemics supply chain disruption. 
> Yet still if I want a 27.2 post NBD.
>
> Eric and Laing, I agree with a lugged post in 26.8mm please!
>  
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:45 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> Laing, your point is exactly my point.  If you use the same lugs you do 
>> not change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work.  If you want to use 
>> the same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the 
>> inside, so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube.  That's my 
>> understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of 
>>> the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs 
>>> as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
>>> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I 
>>> am going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine 
>>> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till 
>>> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the 
>>> black Clementine.
>>>
>>> Laing Conley
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th 
 last year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they 
 changed the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 
 Hillborne (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a 
 different 
 style than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I 
 notice 
 the Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but 
 both 
 those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used 
 in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it 
 did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.  
 Definitely limits ones options.

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to 

Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Karl Wilcox]

I decided to replace the 26.8 seat post that came with my Roadini; I
discovered that 'Promax' makes a nice and light and high quality seatpost
in 26.8 (it is 'SP-1' model and it comes in Red, Blue, Gold and Black (no
silver).  It has served very nicely.  I also had trouble with both of my
26.8 seat posts slipping down over time with the Roadini frame.  I ended up
using some carbon paste to solve that problem.  You can also have a
machinist or frame builder put a nice grid pattern into the surface of the
seatpost to keep it in place (Chris Kelly in Nevada City, Ca. has done that
for me with other frames).  At any rate, the Promax seat post is the one to
get in my opinion, and although it is kind of long, it only weighs about 9
ounces (and, of course, it can easily be cut down).
Cheers,
Karl
Weimar, CA.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 10:37 AM lconley  wrote:

> Probably voided the warranty, but the Bombadil would have been useless to
> me without the setback seatpost, I have a very long torso. It was on sale
> for $1800 brand new (normally $3000 back then) from Rivendell and was the
> correct 52cm for my legs, so I was going to make it work. Rivendell
> recommended a Hunqapillar for a touring bike for me, but Bombadil on sale
> was less expensive. i really didn't have to hone that much, the seatpost is
> a little less than 27.2 and the bike was a little more than 27.0, so the
> tube thickness removed was less than 1.0 mm.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 12:24:06 PM UTC-4 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> I agree the lugs used (no matter the design) accept the same OS diameter
>> tubing but Rivendell went with thicker walled tubing. The question is why?
>> To me Grant not wanting to ream out the seat tube could effectively be
>> solved by choosing a thinner walled tubing. I think it's a structural
>> decision as I mentioned before. Laing, I wonder if by reaming out the
>> inside of the seat tube you are voiding the warranty? Probably NBD unless
>> you ride like Manny and need all the extra gussets and tube wall thickness.
>>
>> David, basically my issue boils down to lack of availability which
>> obviously has been exacerbated by the pandemics supply chain disruption.
>> Yet still if I want a 27.2 post NBD.
>>
>> Eric and Laing, I agree with a lugged post in 26.8mm please!
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:45 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, your point is exactly my point.  If you use the same lugs you do
>>> not change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work.  If you want to use
>>> the same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the
>>> inside, so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube.  That's my
>>> understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter.
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley  wrote:
>>>
 Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of
 the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs
 as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
 Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I
 am going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine
 Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till
 December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the
 black Clementine.

 Laing Conley
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th
> last year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they
> changed the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015
> Hillborne (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a 
> different
> style than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I 
> notice
> the Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but 
> both
> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used
> in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it
> did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.
> Definitely limits ones options.
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect
>> that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence 
>> thicker
>> tube and thinner post.
>>
>> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please!
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago
>>> when they started using thicker tubing across 

Re: [RBW] Re: A Susie, One Year In

[Michael Williams]

Hey Andrew,  if it’s not too much trouble, could you repost the photos of your 
Susie?  I’d love to see it but I can’t view the original photos.   Thanks.   
-Mike 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Matthew P  wrote:
> 
> Awesome stuff Tex-Riv'ers!
> 
> Andrew, your's is the type of post I say I will do but never do. Thank you 
> for sharing. You're doing it. Nice bike. Nice bars.
> 
> Funny, I was thinking of going the opposite route with a Gus or Susie: 
> downsize for a long and low bike. I don't know if it would actually be low. 
> But I'm thinking lowrider inspired.
> I'm on a 58 cm Atlantis right now and fit is right. I guess a Large Gus/Susie 
> would be my size and a Medium would be downsizing.
> Someone posted a 650b Gus or Susie, a bit of a prototype or something with 
> that wheel size. I am still thinking about it.
> 
> I'd love to get/ride out to Tx. I heard of a long trail in the Southern part 
> of the state. 100 or 100s mile trail. I'll get there.
> 
> Keep on doin' it!
> -Matthew
> San Diego, CA. Kumeyaay land.
> 
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 9:08:57 AM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi Andrew
>> 
>> Thanks for the post and pics. Always cool to hear about more RBW folks in 
>> Austin. Now that Ultrasummer is giving way to False Fall maybe we can do an 
>> RBW/#coffeeoutside meetup or something. I'd love to compare notes on Susie 
>> vs Clem L. 
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-5 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>>> Last October i purchased an XL Susie Longbolts. I'm 5' 9 and 3/4'' but have 
>>> short arms and a curiously high sitbone; a PBH of 88cm but short reach in 
>>> the end. Some, most even, would say that an XL is too big, but after a 
>>> decade plus of riding bikes that were supposedly the "right size," but felt 
>>> incredibly aggressive no matter how tall of a stem I used, I began sizing 
>>> up and up and up and up. 
>>> 
>>> Even working at a bike shop, the 2020 parts shortage meant building a bike 
>>> was an exercise in patience, persistence, and Macgyver-ing, so I envisioned 
>>> a mostly parts bin build. Ive since replaced the cranks (vintage Shimano 
>>> 600 mtb) with White Industries, and the $2 parts bin stem with a 
>>> Crust/Nitto faceplater. I found some old VP Beartraps, in green, and will 
>>> be installing an old green nutted Chris King headset. The wheels were new 
>>> (built by me) on Velo Orange Voyager rims, a Deore rear hub, and a Shutter 
>>> Precision front. 
>>> 
>>> The handlebars came before the bike, and were the first item on the vision 
>>> board: custom bent by Doom Bars in New Mexico, right between the Billie Bar 
>>> and Velo Orange Granola bar in sweep, and wider than both. 60mm rise, 65 
>>> degree sweep, and 689mm wide. My idea was to have a long bike, short stem, 
>>> and long swept back bars with XL ESI grips and old Dia Compe moto levers. I 
>>> spend most of my time on the very end of the bars, using one finger to 
>>> brake. The bars are patina-ing quite nicely in the Austin humidity. 
>>> 
>>> It's set up friction, with a Left side Paul Thumbie upside down on the 
>>> right side. I love the Teravails and they've been set up tubeless with no 
>>> issues the whole time. The yoke cable on the Paul cantis has very very 
>>> little clearance and sometimes rubs on the rear tire, but a higher yoke 
>>> reduced mechanical advantage too much. It's my most comfortable bike by 
>>> far, in a stable of incredibly comfort oriented bikes. Its also my fastest 
>>> on my normal commutes because its the easiest to ride. It feels incredibly 
>>> stable off-road, though tight tree sections are impassable with the wide 
>>> bars, but the long wheel base and wide bars make traction and body english 
>>> very reliable. The only thing is that the flex in the middle of the frame 
>>> is incredible noticeable, even when riding seated: thats a long bit of 
>>> metal, and lots of leverage with those wide bars!
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I regret not getting the L/56, but the amount of seatpost showing 
>>> is part of the aesthetic and body position I was going for. I *barely* 
>>> clear the step-thru, but my personal fit motto is "it should be a French 
>>> Fit on a sloping top tube" or in this case, a strangely bent one. 
>>> 
>>> Photos are from Sedona, Tucson, Austin, and Taos. The frosty pic is from 
>>> outside Ft Davis, TX during the freak snowstorm last winter that left us on 
>>> the freeway for 10 hours.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Andrew in Austin
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[lconley]

Probably voided the warranty, but the Bombadil would have been useless to 
me without the setback seatpost, I have a very long torso. It was on sale 
for $1800 brand new (normally $3000 back then) from Rivendell and was the 
correct 52cm for my legs, so I was going to make it work. Rivendell 
recommended a Hunqapillar for a touring bike for me, but Bombadil on sale 
was less expensive. i really didn't have to hone that much, the seatpost is 
a little less than 27.2 and the bike was a little more than 27.0, so the 
tube thickness removed was less than 1.0 mm.

Laing

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 12:24:06 PM UTC-4 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> I agree the lugs used (no matter the design) accept the same OS diameter 
> tubing but Rivendell went with thicker walled tubing. The question is why? 
> To me Grant not wanting to ream out the seat tube could effectively be 
> solved by choosing a thinner walled tubing. I think it's a structural 
> decision as I mentioned before. Laing, I wonder if by reaming out the 
> inside of the seat tube you are voiding the warranty? Probably NBD unless 
> you ride like Manny and need all the extra gussets and tube wall thickness. 
>
> David, basically my issue boils down to lack of availability which 
> obviously has been exacerbated by the pandemics supply chain disruption. 
> Yet still if I want a 27.2 post NBD.
>
> Eric and Laing, I agree with a lugged post in 26.8mm please!
>  
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:45 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> Laing, your point is exactly my point.  If you use the same lugs you do 
>> not change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work.  If you want to use 
>> the same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the 
>> inside, so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube.  That's my 
>> understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of 
>>> the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs 
>>> as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
>>> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I 
>>> am going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine 
>>> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till 
>>> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the 
>>> black Clementine.
>>>
>>> Laing Conley
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th 
 last year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they 
 changed the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 
 Hillborne (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a 
 different 
 style than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I 
 notice 
 the Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but 
 both 
 those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used 
 in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it 
 did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.  
 Definitely limits ones options.

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect 
> that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence 
> thicker 
> tube and thinner post. 
>
> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please! 
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago 
>> when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st 
>> Rivendell 
>> (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 
>> and 
>> was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since 
>> has 
>> been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the 
>> Bombadil 
>> with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 
>> 26.8. 
>> I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the 
>> seat 
>> tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
>> frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames 
>> don't 
>> scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple 
>> of 
>> evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
>> Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
>> custom 

[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Saturday Mark]

26.8 was just as common as 27.2 back in the 70's and 80's, prior to the now 
more . Riv has done 26.8 on a bunch of the step throughs since way back 
when. 

With that said, 26.8 is probably in short supply right now due to pandemic, 
but...

Nitto makes in crystal fellow and s83
Thomson makes 26.8
Kalloy Uno as well as their Crystal Fellow copy
+ a bunch of private label (Dimension, Sunlite, Origin8... etc) 

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:01:38 PM UTC-6 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Maybe someone can answer this, why in the heck did Rivendell start making 
> the seat tube inside diameter 26.8mm on the new bikes? I believe hearing 
> something about seat tube wall thickness. Don't get me wrong, I think the 
> new Geos make for a better ride, but it's way easier to find posts in 
> 27.2mm all day long. 
>
> Rivendell has the Nitto S83 in that diameter but it's a whopping 300 mm 
> length 50 mm more than I need and also a whopping $128 before tax and 
> shipping.
>
> Rant over n out.
>
> Hugh n LA
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Mackenzy Albright]

I've never found too much issue finding decent 26.8 used/bike co-oops. They 
seem to be pretty common on old touring bikes - eventually I upgraded my 
plain jane sugino to a simplex with a bit of searching. 

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-6 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> I agree the lugs used (no matter the design) accept the same OS diameter 
> tubing but Rivendell went with thicker walled tubing. The question is why? 
> To me Grant not wanting to ream out the seat tube could effectively be 
> solved by choosing a thinner walled tubing. I think it's a structural 
> decision as I mentioned before. Laing, I wonder if by reaming out the 
> inside of the seat tube you are voiding the warranty? Probably NBD unless 
> you ride like Manny and need all the extra gussets and tube wall thickness. 
>
> David, basically my issue boils down to lack of availability which 
> obviously has been exacerbated by the pandemics supply chain disruption. 
> Yet still if I want a 27.2 post NBD.
>
> Eric and Laing, I agree with a lugged post in 26.8mm please!
>  
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:45 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> Laing, your point is exactly my point.  If you use the same lugs you do 
>> not change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work.  If you want to use 
>> the same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the 
>> inside, so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube.  That's my 
>> understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of 
>>> the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs 
>>> as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
>>> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I 
>>> am going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine 
>>> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till 
>>> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the 
>>> black Clementine.
>>>
>>> Laing Conley
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th 
 last year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they 
 changed the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 
 Hillborne (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a 
 different 
 style than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I 
 notice 
 the Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but 
 both 
 those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used 
 in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it 
 did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.  
 Definitely limits ones options.

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect 
> that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence 
> thicker 
> tube and thinner post. 
>
> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please! 
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago 
>> when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st 
>> Rivendell 
>> (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 
>> and 
>> was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since 
>> has 
>> been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the 
>> Bombadil 
>> with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 
>> 26.8. 
>> I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the 
>> seat 
>> tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
>> frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames 
>> don't 
>> scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple 
>> of 
>> evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
>> Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
>> custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0 
>> seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - 
>> ended 
>> up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I 
>> grew 
>> up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part 
>> of 
>> cycling to me. Much 

[RBW] Re: A Susie, One Year In

[Matthew P]

Awesome stuff Tex-Riv'ers!

Andrew, your's is the type of post I say I will do but never do. Thank you 
for sharing. You're doing it. Nice bike. Nice bars.

Funny, I was thinking of going the opposite route with a Gus or Susie: 
downsize for a long and low bike. I don't know if it would actually be low. 
But I'm thinking lowrider inspired.
I'm on a 58 cm Atlantis right now and fit is right. I guess a Large 
Gus/Susie would be my size and a Medium would be downsizing.
Someone posted a 650b Gus or Susie, a bit of a prototype or something with 
that wheel size. I am still thinking about it.

I'd love to get/ride out to Tx. I heard of a long trail in the Southern 
part of the state. 100 or 100s mile trail. I'll get there.

Keep on doin' it!
-Matthew
San Diego, CA. Kumeyaay land.

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 9:08:57 AM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Andrew
>
> Thanks for the post and pics. Always cool to hear about more RBW folks in 
> Austin. Now that Ultrasummer is giving way to False Fall maybe we can do an 
> RBW/#coffeeoutside meetup or something. I'd love to compare notes on Susie 
> vs Clem L. 
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-5 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
>> Last October i purchased an XL Susie Longbolts. I'm 5' 9 and 3/4'' but 
>> have short arms and a curiously high sitbone; a PBH of 88cm but short reach 
>> in the end. Some, most even, would say that an XL is too big, but after a 
>> decade plus of riding bikes that were supposedly the "right size," but felt 
>> incredibly aggressive no matter how tall of a stem I used, I began sizing 
>> up and up and up and up. 
>>
>> Even working at a bike shop, the 2020 parts shortage meant building a 
>> bike was an exercise in patience, persistence, and Macgyver-ing, so I 
>> envisioned a mostly parts bin build. Ive since replaced the cranks (vintage 
>> Shimano 600 mtb) with White Industries, and the $2 parts bin stem with a 
>> Crust/Nitto faceplater. I found some old VP Beartraps, in green, and will 
>> be installing an old green nutted Chris King headset. The wheels were new 
>> (built by me) on Velo Orange Voyager rims, a Deore rear hub, and a Shutter 
>> Precision front. 
>>
>> The handlebars came before the bike, and were the first item on the 
>> vision board: custom bent by Doom Bars in New Mexico, right between the 
>> Billie Bar and Velo Orange Granola bar in sweep, and wider than both. 60mm 
>> rise, 65 degree sweep, and 689mm wide. My idea was to have a long bike, 
>> short stem, and long swept back bars with XL ESI grips and old Dia Compe 
>> moto levers. I spend most of my time on the very end of the bars, using one 
>> finger to brake. The bars are patina-ing quite nicely in the Austin 
>> humidity. 
>>
>> It's set up friction, with a Left side Paul Thumbie upside down on the 
>> right side. I love the Teravails and they've been set up tubeless with no 
>> issues the whole time. The yoke cable on the Paul cantis has very very 
>> little clearance and sometimes rubs on the rear tire, but a higher yoke 
>> reduced mechanical advantage too much. It's my most comfortable bike by 
>> far, in a stable of incredibly comfort oriented bikes. Its also my fastest 
>> on my normal commutes because its the easiest to ride. It feels incredibly 
>> stable off-road, though tight tree sections are impassable with the wide 
>> bars, but the long wheel base and wide bars make traction and body english 
>> very reliable. The only thing is that the flex in the middle of the frame 
>> is incredible noticeable, even when riding seated: thats a long bit of 
>> metal, and lots of leverage with those wide bars!
>>
>> Sometimes I regret not getting the L/56, but the amount of seatpost 
>> showing is part of the aesthetic and body position I was going for. I 
>> *barely* clear the step-thru, but my personal fit motto is "it should be a 
>> French Fit on a sloping top tube" or in this case, a strangely bent one. 
>>
>> Photos are from Sedona, Tucson, Austin, and Taos. The frosty pic is from 
>> outside Ft Davis, TX during the freak snowstorm last winter that left us on 
>> the freeway for 10 hours.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrew in Austin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Hugh Smitham]

I agree the lugs used (no matter the design) accept the same OS diameter
tubing but Rivendell went with thicker walled tubing. The question is why?
To me Grant not wanting to ream out the seat tube could effectively be
solved by choosing a thinner walled tubing. I think it's a structural
decision as I mentioned before. Laing, I wonder if by reaming out the
inside of the seat tube you are voiding the warranty? Probably NBD unless
you ride like Manny and need all the extra gussets and tube wall thickness.

David, basically my issue boils down to lack of availability which
obviously has been exacerbated by the pandemics supply chain disruption.
Yet still if I want a 27.2 post NBD.

Eric and Laing, I agree with a lugged post in 26.8mm please!

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein






On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:45 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Laing, your point is exactly my point.  If you use the same lugs you do
> not change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work.  If you want to use
> the same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the
> inside, so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube.  That's my
> understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of
>> the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs
>> as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
>> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I am
>> going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine
>> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till
>> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the
>> black Clementine.
>>
>> Laing Conley
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th
>>> last year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they
>>> changed the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015
>>> Hillborne (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a different
>>> style than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I notice
>>> the Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but both
>>> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used
>>> in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it
>>> did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.
>>> Definitely limits ones options.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect
 that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker
 tube and thinner post.

 I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please!

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago
> when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell
> (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and
> was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has
> been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the 
> Bombadil
> with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 
> 26.8.
> I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat
> tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my
> frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't
> scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple 
> of
> evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The
> Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My
> custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0
> seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended
> up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I 
> grew
> up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part 
> of
> cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning 
> multiple
> bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 
> 26.4
> Campagnolo Record seatpost.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring
>>> bike designed to carry a load), then that 

Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Laing, your point is exactly my point.  If you use the same lugs you do not
change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work.  If you want to use the
same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the inside,
so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube.  That's my
understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter.

Toshi


On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley  wrote:

> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of
> the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs
> as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I am
> going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine
> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till
> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the
> black Clementine.
>
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th last
>> year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they changed
>> the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 Hillborne
>> (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a different style
>> than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I notice the
>> Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but both
>> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used
>> in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it
>> did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.
>> Definitely limits ones options.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect
>>> that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker
>>> tube and thinner post.
>>>
>>> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago
 when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell
 (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and
 was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has
 been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the Bombadil
 with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 26.8.
 I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat
 tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my
 frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't
 scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple of
 evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The
 Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My
 custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0
 seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended
 up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I grew
 up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part of
 cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning multiple
 bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 26.4
 Campagnolo Record seatpost.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring
>> bike designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.
>>
> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6.
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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

You'll have to post pics, Laing.

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 7:54:44 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of 
> the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs 
> as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I am 
> going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine 
> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till 
> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the 
> black Clementine.
>
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th last 
>> year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they changed 
>> the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 Hillborne 
>> (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a different style 
>> than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I notice the 
>> Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but both 
>> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used 
>> in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it 
>> did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.  
>> Definitely limits ones options.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect 
>>> that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker 
>>> tube and thinner post. 
>>>
>>> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago 
 when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell 
 (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and 
 was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has 
 been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the 
 Bombadil 
 with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 
 26.8. 
 I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat 
 tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
 frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't 
 scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple 
 of 
 evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
 Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
 custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0 
 seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended 
 up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I 
 grew 
 up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part 
 of 
 cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning 
 multiple 
 bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 
 26.4 
 Campagnolo Record seatpost.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring 
>> bike designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.
>>
> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. 
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[nus...@gmail.com]

Not my Riv, but Riv-ish: I took my Box Dog Pelican out for a sunrise spin 
this morning in Colorado Springs. Perfect fall morning.  


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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[lconley]

Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of the 
tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs as 
my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I am 
going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine 
Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till 
December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the 
black Clementine.

Laing Conley
Delray Beach FL

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th last 
> year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they changed 
> the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 Hillborne 
> (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a different style 
> than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I notice the 
> Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but both 
> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used 
> in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it 
> did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.  
> Definitely limits ones options.
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect that 
>> Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker tube 
>> and thinner post. 
>>
>> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago 
>>> when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell 
>>> (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and 
>>> was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has 
>>> been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the Bombadil 
>>> with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 26.8. 
>>> I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat 
>>> tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
>>> frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't 
>>> scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple of 
>>> evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
>>> custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0 
>>> seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended 
>>> up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I grew 
>>> up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part of 
>>> cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning multiple 
>>> bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 26.4 
>>> Campagnolo Record seatpost.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:

> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring bike 
> designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.
>
 That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th last 
year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they changed 
the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 Hillborne 
(sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a different style 
than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I notice the 
Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but both 
those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used 
in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it 
did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.  
Definitely limits ones options.

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect that 
> Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker tube 
> and thinner post. 
>
> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please! 
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago when 
>> they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell (of 
>> 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and was 
>> 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has been 
>> 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the Bombadil with 
>> a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 26.8. I 
>> put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat 
>> tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
>> frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't 
>> scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple of 
>> evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
>> Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
>> custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0 
>> seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended 
>> up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I grew 
>> up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part of 
>> cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning multiple 
>> bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 26.4 
>> Campagnolo Record seatpost.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring bike 
 designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.

>>> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Minnehaha Saddlebag Medium

[JohnS]

Thank you Craig for sharing that link, very interesting, I'll have to check 
it out later, looks like a lot of great info on British bike makers.

JohnS

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 4:58:18 PM UTC-4 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> Hey John, 
>  It's an English touring bike. A 1965 HR Morris. 72 parallel/45mm 
> trail. Built by this guy:
>
>  
> https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/classic_builders/morris-h-r-dick-master-framebuilder/
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:23 AM JohnS  wrote:
>
>> Craig,
>>
>> Nice looking rando bike! I had thought it was a Trek, but now I'm not 
>> sure. I like the TA cranks. Are those Suntour shift levers?
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> PS - Also like the puppy in the 1st pic, amazing how they get get into 
>> the background.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 10:46:24 PM UTC-4 Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>
>>> It's gone. Thanks for all inquiries. 
>>>
>>> Craig in Tucson
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-7 Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>>
 Just a little dusty from storage. Little use. $40 shipped and it's 
 yours.

 Craig in Tucson

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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Eric Marth]

I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect that 
Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker tube 
and thinner post. 

I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please! 

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago when 
> they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell (of 
> 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and was 
> 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has been 
> 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the Bombadil with 
> a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 26.8. I 
> put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat 
> tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
> frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't 
> scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple of 
> evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
> Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
> custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0 
> seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended 
> up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I grew 
> up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part of 
> cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning multiple 
> bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 26.4 
> Campagnolo Record seatpost.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring bike 
>>> designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.
>>>
>> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[lconley]

Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago when 
they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell (of 
13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and was 
27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has been 
26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the Bombadil with 
a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 26.8. I 
put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat 
tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't 
scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple of 
evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0 
seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended 
up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I grew 
up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part of 
cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning multiple 
bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 26.4 
Campagnolo Record seatpost.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring bike 
>> designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.
>>
> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. 
>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Nick Payne]

On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:

> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring bike 
> designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.
>
That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. 

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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Nick Payne]

Lugs are made for 28.6mm (1-1/8") seat tubes. If the frame uses a seat tube 
with 0.7mm wall thickness at the top, then it will take a 27.2mm seatpost 
(28.6 - 2 * 0.7). If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a 
touring bike designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm 
seatpost. I have - in the past when racing bikes were made from steel - 
owned racing bikes that had even thinner tubing and took 27.4mm seatposts.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Hugh Smitham]

Toshi,

That's my understanding as well, it has to be thicker tubing walls for
structural strength.

Perhaps the inconvenience of a different seat post diameter was the trade
off to avoid frame warranty claims. In this case the slight inconvenience
was shifted to the consumer. At the end of the day I suppose it's a small
price to pay for Riv to remain viable.

Hugh

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 11:04 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Yes my understanding is that if you want a thicker tube for strength, the
> outer diameter stays the same—I suppose so you can use the same lugs, but
> that means the inner diameter has to decrease, so you have a smaller seat
> tube diameter.
>
> Toshi in Oakland
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:35 PM Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Fellas,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply's.
>>
>> Ron, honestly I know very little about bicycle frame manufacturing in
>> terms of the decisions that go into ordering a batch of F's. I could
>> certainly see creating a uniformity of parts and I'm sure Grant has some
>> rationalization for going with this diameter seat tube but it effectively
>> limited choices, virtually every seat post manufacturer makes a 27.2 mm
>> post.
>>
>> Karl, it does.
>>
>> Joe,  they do but I prefer a dual bolt post. They are stronger and allow
>> for better adjustment.
>>
>> A friend of mine on the list here uses a suspension post, When Rivendell
>> went to this seat post diameter it effectively limited him from buying any
>> of the new frames because nobody makes his preferred suspension post in
>> that diameter only in 27.2mm.
>>
>> Perhaps I'll call Grant and ask the man himself why he made that
>> decision. Somewhere I read that he wanted to create a thicker tube wall for
>> more strength? Maybe there were some failures and he was future proofing?
>> Maybe someone with better knowledge will chime in?
>>
>> Hugh n LA
>>
>> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:00:52 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know the answer but I do know Riv also carries the S65
>>> single-bolt in 250mm for $84.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 7:01:38 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
 Maybe someone can answer this, why in the heck did Rivendell start
 making the seat tube inside diameter 26.8mm on the new bikes? I believe
 hearing something about seat tube wall thickness. Don't get me wrong, I
 think the new Geos make for a better ride, but it's way easier to find
 posts in 27.2mm all day long.

 Rivendell has the Nitto S83 in that diameter but it's a whopping 300 mm
 length 50 mm more than I need and also a whopping $128 before tax and
 shipping.

 Rant over n out.

 Hugh n LA


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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Yes my understanding is that if you want a thicker tube for strength, the
outer diameter stays the same—I suppose so you can use the same lugs, but
that means the inner diameter has to decrease, so you have a smaller seat
tube diameter.

Toshi in Oakland

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:35 PM Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Hey Fellas,
>
> Thanks for the reply's.
>
> Ron, honestly I know very little about bicycle frame manufacturing in
> terms of the decisions that go into ordering a batch of F's. I could
> certainly see creating a uniformity of parts and I'm sure Grant has some
> rationalization for going with this diameter seat tube but it effectively
> limited choices, virtually every seat post manufacturer makes a 27.2 mm
> post.
>
> Karl, it does.
>
> Joe,  they do but I prefer a dual bolt post. They are stronger and allow
> for better adjustment.
>
> A friend of mine on the list here uses a suspension post, When Rivendell
> went to this seat post diameter it effectively limited him from buying any
> of the new frames because nobody makes his preferred suspension post in
> that diameter only in 27.2mm.
>
> Perhaps I'll call Grant and ask the man himself why he made that decision.
> Somewhere I read that he wanted to create a thicker tube wall for more
> strength? Maybe there were some failures and he was future proofing? Maybe
> someone with better knowledge will chime in?
>
> Hugh n LA
>
> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:00:52 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't know the answer but I do know Riv also carries the S65
>> single-bolt in 250mm for $84.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 7:01:38 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe someone can answer this, why in the heck did Rivendell start
>>> making the seat tube inside diameter 26.8mm on the new bikes? I believe
>>> hearing something about seat tube wall thickness. Don't get me wrong, I
>>> think the new Geos make for a better ride, but it's way easier to find
>>> posts in 27.2mm all day long.
>>>
>>> Rivendell has the Nitto S83 in that diameter but it's a whopping 300 mm
>>> length 50 mm more than I need and also a whopping $128 before tax and
>>> shipping.
>>>
>>> Rant over n out.
>>>
>>> Hugh n LA
>>>
>>>
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