[RBW] Re: Anyone run 650b on a Sam Hillborne?

[maxcr]

Hey Erick,
What brake levers do you use to run motolites on a dropbar?
Thanks
Max
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:30:51 AM UTC-4 Erik Wright wrote:

> I have a 2014-ish sidepull Sam Hillborne that I picked up off this list in 
> spring 2018. The bike came to me with Paul Racers and I rode tires as big 
> as 700x44. After seeing Ultraromance's 650b conversion on his Sam H, I 
> thought I'd give that configuration a go (because there's just something 
> about fat knobby tires on a road bike that get's me goin').
>
> In early 2019 I had a local framebuilder add canti posts at 650b placement 
> for about $150. Nervous about committing to 650b on this bike because of 
> the reasons Bill and others mention (bb drop, pedal strike, etc), I 
> purchased Paul Motolites so I could swap between 700c and 650b if/when 
> needed. I managed to squeeze in 27.5x2.1" Schwalbe Thunderburts with 
> *very* little clearance, but went on a few bikepacking trips with this 
> setup. I've since added a Crust Evasion to my lineup (which also has two 
> wheelsets, *facepalm*) and have made my Sam H a dedicated 700c bike... for 
> now.
>
> I remember Blahgs from 1-2 years back where Roman @ Riv did the same thing 
> with his Sam H. One Blahg showed him dimpling his chainstays so he could 
> more easily squeeze a 2.1" tire in there. To this day I'm still waiting for 
> a feature of that bike on a Blahg or a newsletter, but it looks like that 
> day may never come.
>
> Regarding pedal strike- yeah, there was some, but I have a pretty high 
> tolerance for it so didn't really notice a huge difference. The trails 
> around here are pretty rocky and rooty so if I'm riding my SamH on trails, 
> there's going to be pedal strike no matter what I do. The other thing 
> people often ask is about mechanical advantage with the Motolites. I mean, 
> sure, there's probably better stopping power with 650b wheels/pad 
> placement, but my bike stops just fine with the pads adjusted for 700c.
>
> Overall the 650b conversion was a fun project and adds to my ability to 
> tinker with that bike- BUT, not night & day to the point where I'd 
> wholeheartedly recommend.
>
> Erik, Philly
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 10:52:13 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, switching from 700c to 650B on any 
>> cantilever-equipped bike is considered a very bad idea, with two exceptions:
>> 1. you have a poorly placed set of canti-posts so that they manage to 
>> work OK
>> 2. you have a frame builder remove and attach your canti posts in the 
>> right place for 650B
>>
>> If your canti posts are in the right place for 700c, you need to run your 
>> brake pads a full 19mm lower to hit 650B rims.  That's practically even 
>> with the pivot itself and the leverage just doesn't work well at all
>>
>> Generally speaking, switch from 700c to 650B on any 700c bike with large 
>> BB drop is considered a risky maneuver, with two exceptions:
>> 1. you don't mind a really low BB and pedal strike doesn't concern you
>> 2. you are going to MUCH wider 650B tires, so that the resulting BB 
>> height may be close
>>
>> On disc-brake bikes, swapping from 700xTHIC to 650xTHICCC is pretty 
>> common.  I've got a few bikes in my stable that are intended for that kind 
>> of flexibility.  My cantilever-Sam is not one of those bikes.  700x38 + 
>> fenders and it's perfect.  For beefier tires, I grab one of my machines 
>> that has beefier tires  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 10:08:08 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I have a Sam Hillborne without canti posts. I was considering 
>>> trying 650b hoops to get some even beefier tires on the bike. Has anyone 
>>> seen it done? Pics?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[J S]

Oooops, 2019 specs.  

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:

> I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same 
> standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the Bleriot 
> may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.   
>
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of a 
>> big geo chart written on cardboard. 
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been cleared 
>>> of charts and says...
>>>
>>> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call us 
>>> with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>>>
>>> -will"
>>>
>>> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019.  

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:

> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just 
>> short of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on 
>> the 
>> way...
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
>>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if 
>>> I 
>>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[J S]

I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same
standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the Bleriot
may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of a
> big geo chart written on cardboard.
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been cleared of
>> charts and says...
>>
>> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call us
>> with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>>
>> -will"
>>
>> It'll be nice to see some updated charts.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>>
 What updated charts, I just see the 2019.

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just short
> of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on the 
> way...
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still
>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I
>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Small olive Sackville SaddleSack

[Lynn Creamer]

SOLD

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 5:16:21 PM UTC-5 Lynn Creamer wrote:

> I bought it off this list a while ago. 
> Love the size of it but rarely used it. Someone should.
>
> DM me if you want more photos. There is a spot on the bottom where the 
> previous owners brake cable poked it but nothing that impacted the 
> integrity of the sack in my experience. I
>
> $70 plus shipping.
>  
> Lynn Creamer
> West Virginia
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Re: [RBW] FS: Rambouillet frameset 64cm c-t

[Mike Godwin]

The three of us!

Mike "one size does not fit all" SLO CA
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 2:02:17 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:

> Hey Kevin,
>
> Apologies for listing it as a 62. Like you said, I was basing that from 
> what the previous seller had stated. Totally makes sense why it felt so 
> large when I was riding it! 
>
> Hope you find one that fits some day!
> Christian
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:35 AM Kevin D norcal - santa rosa <
> kevind...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nice Rambouillet frameset: 64cm c-t, f/f/h, Toyo, creamsicle, orangesicle
>>
>> I bought this frame locally (SF) a year ago thinking it was 62c-t.  Both 
>> previous owners referred to it as 62 but now realize their default was 
>> c-c.  Finally started to build it up and . . . still shaking my head how I 
>> bought another too large frame.  Anyway, it's aged really well hanging in 
>> my garage and will hopefully return to the road for someone else.  *If 
>> anyone has a 62cm c-t interested in trading let me know (prefer green or 
>> creamsicle).
>>
>> asking $825 + shipping.  Local p/u $800.
>> several very small paint nicks and a couple blems on decals but otherwise 
>> very good condition IMO 
>> here's a link to pics folder (let me know if it doesn't work) 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z83TibTSGZZZFUyx9
>> I have the Ram brochure if you have questions about geometry.
>>
>> And if anyone's interested in an '83 Spec Sequoia frameset about the same 
>> size let me know: 62.5c-c (yep that's what it says in the spec sheet for 
>> 1983: 62.5cm)  
>> [image: IMG_6908.JPG] 
>>
>> [image: IMG_6910.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Calvin Yolo]

I just bought a 51cm. Now to think on the build. I have a 5700 Shimano 105 
groupset laying around. Anyone see any Homers with a 10 speed road 
groupset? 

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 1:59:36 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> This sale is a heck of a lot different than the Platy and Appaloosa 
> releases. It's been two hours and there are frames available in every size! 
>
> If anyone goes in on a Homer grab you some of these US-made brass barrel 
> adjusters for your downtube cable stops: 
> http://kirkframeworks.com/models-and-accessories/brass-derailleur-adjusters/
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:56:18 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of a 
>> big geo chart written on cardboard. 
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been cleared 
>>> of charts and says...
>>>
>>> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call us 
>>> with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>>>
>>> -will"
>>>
>>> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019.  

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:

> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just 
>> short of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on 
>> the 
>> way...
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
>>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if 
>>> I 
>>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Eric Marth]

This sale is a heck of a lot different than the Platy and Appaloosa 
releases. It's been two hours and there are frames available in every size! 

If anyone goes in on a Homer grab you some of these US-made brass barrel 
adjusters for your downtube cable 
stops: 
http://kirkframeworks.com/models-and-accessories/brass-derailleur-adjusters/

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:56:18 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of a 
> big geo chart written on cardboard. 
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been cleared of 
>> charts and says...
>>
>> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call us 
>> with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>>
>> -will"
>>
>> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>>
 What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just short 
> of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on the 
> way...
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I 
>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Eric Marth]

J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of a 
big geo chart written on cardboard. 
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been cleared of 
> charts and says...
>
> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call us 
> with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>
> -will"
>
> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>
>>> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just short 
 of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on the way...
 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I 
> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Ben Mihovk]

Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been cleared of 
charts and says...

"We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call us with 
questions at 800-345-3918.

-will"

It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 


On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>
>> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just short 
>>> of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on the way...
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
 available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I 
 wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[J S]

I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019.  

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:

> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just short of 
>> fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on the way...
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
>>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I 
>>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[J S]

What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just short of 
> fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on the way...
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still available.  
>> There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I wanted a fancy 
>> albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How close is the AHH to the Bleriot

[J S]

Johnny, I had an Atlantis which has a very long wheelbase and sold it 
quickly.  Why I am hesitant about the AHH.  


On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 8:10:28 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I had a 53 Bleriot that always felt just a tiny bit too small but I never 
> tried a 55. My Saluki is a 54cm and its a perfect fit. I had a 52 Hillborne 
> back when that was a thing and with the expanded geometry it felt a bit on 
> the large size. The new Rivendell sizing always seems to have me at the 
> very top or very bottom. My newest is a 50cm Gallop prototype and that 
> feels very close to my 54 Saluki. Its a good fit. I would imagine a 51 AHH 
> would feel a tad smaller than the 55 Bleriot so likely right what you would 
> want. But the long wheelbase bikes feel different.  The Bleriot/Saluki is 
> tied for my favorite Rivendell with the Rambouillet.
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 10:48:09 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Johnny, thanks, I have a Bleriot that is a tad large for me and a 
>> Hillborne that fits well.  With 48mm vs. 42mm tires I can say the Hillborne 
>> is a more comfortable bike.  I am not a fan of the very long wheelbase 
>> Rivs, the AHH seems to not be ultra long.  I ride with Choco bars on both 
>> bikes and a high stem, but I do stretch out a bit, so not upright.  
>>
>> I originally had a Saluki but the 56 was way to big for me even though my 
>> 56 custom was not (both gone now), why I got the 55 Bleriot.  The 51 AHH 
>> would be a better fit if I did decide to buy one.
>>
>> I agree that the Hillborne and Bleriot feel very different.  
>>
>> Thank you
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> The Bleriot was essentially a more affordable version of the Saluki 
>>> which was the 650B country bike at the time. It was more affordable based 
>>> on factory and business deals alone. It was a great bike. From what I 
>>> understand the AHH was the same as the Saluki but available in both 650B 
>>> and 700C.  The AHH is the reason that the Saluki was removed as a standard 
>>> line model.  All of that is based on the older Japanese AHH. The new one 
>>> has a longer wheelbase, sloping top tube and various other changes that all 
>>> make the geometry fairly different. So as far as "purpose" the AHH and 
>>> Bleriot are the same but as far as the geometry and how they ride I bet 
>>> they are going to feel pretty different. I had a Bleriot, currently have a 
>>> Saluki and owned a Hillborne. The current AHH is probably way closer to the 
>>> Hillborne than the Bleriot and I can say for sure that the Hillborne was a 
>>> very different feeling ride compared to the Bleriot/Saluki.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 6:37:51 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Other than sloping TT and a bit longer wheelbase I wonder how different 
 these will ride.  I have a same with fat tires and I know these are 
 supposed to be close but I wonder.  

 Thanks

 Joel. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Garth]

I'm at a point in life where if a stock frame isn't exactly what I'm 
looking for then I pass, so on this I pass. 
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:53 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Quoted from the page:  
>
> "*Framesets include an FSA Duron 1" threaded headset, a 27.2mm seat post, 
> and 110mm square-taper bottom bracket.*
>
> New for 2021, downtube shifter bosses. "
>
> 27.2mm seatposts will give the handwringers one fewer thing to handwring 
> over.  Downtube shifter bosses is HOT.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 12:19:25 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still available.  
>> There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I wanted a fancy 
>> albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Bill Lindsay]

Quoted from the page:  

"*Framesets include an FSA Duron 1" threaded headset, a 27.2mm seat post, 
and 110mm square-taper bottom bracket.*

New for 2021, downtube shifter bosses. "

27.2mm seatposts will give the handwringers one fewer thing to handwring 
over.  Downtube shifter bosses is HOT.  

BL in EC

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 12:19:25 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still available.  
> There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I wanted a fancy 
> albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Ben Mihovk]

Only 21 61.5cm Homers left...I would get one of those if I were buying.

Funny story (to me, anyway). My Atlantis purchase last August started with 
me calling Rivendell about when the next Homers would be in (these are 
those next Homers). The Atlantis has worked out perfectly as my commuter, 
carry-stuff bike and I wanted something lighter/zippier for "spirited" 
riding (to borrow a Jan Heine word). I saved up my money over the summer 
and had enough stashed to buy a Homer frame in this release. I was going to 
pay for prep and stash the frame in my basement over the winter while I 
picked up components a few at a time. I was really looking forward to the 
project when a PERFECT older Sam Hillborne popped up on eBay within driving 
distance of me at the end of October. I got it and I love it. I'm a little 
sad that I'm not taking part in the Homer sale today, but I know that my 
Sam is really a bit of a better fit in a lot of ways. 

Ben in Omaha 



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> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still available.  
> There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I wanted a fancy 
> albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Sofie C]

I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just short of 
fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on the way...
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still available.  
> There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I wanted a fancy 
> albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Great Blue Homers

[Bill Lindsay]

The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still available.  
There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I wanted a fancy 
albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Herons

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bike almost exclusively along the wetlands of the Mississippi near 
Lacrosse wisconsin.  I see lots of big birds,  My first impression with the 
quick glance of Patrick's photo was sandhill cranes.  these cranes are very 
inspiring to see and I am saddened to learn they are hunted in texas. 
 typical.  tim petersen

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 11:53:59 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The birds I saw look like this one, certainly they were tall enough to 
> match the description in Wikipedia for the heron. Again, sorry for the bad 
> photo.
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 3:51 PM Andy Williams  wrote:
>
>> Oops.  My apologies.  Let's try this...
>> ..[image: Screen Shot 2021-11-22 at 2.50.06 PM.png]
>>
>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:57:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Andy: I'd like to see your photo but the account seems private.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 11:22 AM Andy Williams  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is a Great Blue Heron.   
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CIBsq9bgWXH7BolozaUc3pKD8yzye_9XVzBmM00/

 See them all the time up here in Seattle

 On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:57:01 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I know as much about birds as about cameras, so you may be right. I 
> googled herons albuquerque bosque and great blue herons came up and 
> looked 
> like those in the photo, but what do I know.
>
> I just googled both and they both look the same to me.
>
> Rio Grande bosque, Albuquerque, NM.
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:52 PM twowheeledtexan  
> wrote:
>
>> Those aren’t herons, look like sandhill cranes. If you’re referencing 
>> acequias and the Rio Grande you’re possibly in Texas? If so Texas has a 
>> hunting season for them and they’re referred to as “pork chops in the 
>> sky”. 
>>  
>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Taken *in* someone's backyard. I was "by" but the herons were "in."
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:26 PM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Taken by someone's backyard during a very pleasant fall meander 
 along our acequia trails. The third heron was camera shy and refused 
 to 
 cooperate.

 We've got bird sanctuaries and wetlands (yes, desert but this is 
 near the Rio Grande) in my area, and I often startle herons from the 
 ditches as I ride by. They gather in flocks in fields, but I saw only 
 3 
 together this afternoon, though they've been in the air along with the 
 geese.

 No Riv photo because I rode the Monocog.

 I thought that this was worth posting despite the obligatory poor 
 quality, which my fault and not that of the iPhone camera (tho' it's 
 just a 
 6S).

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[RBW] Re: How close is the AHH to the Bleriot

[Johnny Alien]

I had a 53 Bleriot that always felt just a tiny bit too small but I never 
tried a 55. My Saluki is a 54cm and its a perfect fit. I had a 52 Hillborne 
back when that was a thing and with the expanded geometry it felt a bit on 
the large size. The new Rivendell sizing always seems to have me at the 
very top or very bottom. My newest is a 50cm Gallop prototype and that 
feels very close to my 54 Saluki. Its a good fit. I would imagine a 51 AHH 
would feel a tad smaller than the 55 Bleriot so likely right what you would 
want. But the long wheelbase bikes feel different.  The Bleriot/Saluki is 
tied for my favorite Rivendell with the Rambouillet.

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 10:48:09 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Johnny, thanks, I have a Bleriot that is a tad large for me and a 
> Hillborne that fits well.  With 48mm vs. 42mm tires I can say the Hillborne 
> is a more comfortable bike.  I am not a fan of the very long wheelbase 
> Rivs, the AHH seems to not be ultra long.  I ride with Choco bars on both 
> bikes and a high stem, but I do stretch out a bit, so not upright.  
>
> I originally had a Saluki but the 56 was way to big for me even though my 
> 56 custom was not (both gone now), why I got the 55 Bleriot.  The 51 AHH 
> would be a better fit if I did decide to buy one.
>
> I agree that the Hillborne and Bleriot feel very different.  
>
> Thank you
> Joel
>
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> The Bleriot was essentially a more affordable version of the Saluki which 
>> was the 650B country bike at the time. It was more affordable based on 
>> factory and business deals alone. It was a great bike. From what I 
>> understand the AHH was the same as the Saluki but available in both 650B 
>> and 700C.  The AHH is the reason that the Saluki was removed as a standard 
>> line model.  All of that is based on the older Japanese AHH. The new one 
>> has a longer wheelbase, sloping top tube and various other changes that all 
>> make the geometry fairly different. So as far as "purpose" the AHH and 
>> Bleriot are the same but as far as the geometry and how they ride I bet 
>> they are going to feel pretty different. I had a Bleriot, currently have a 
>> Saluki and owned a Hillborne. The current AHH is probably way closer to the 
>> Hillborne than the Bleriot and I can say for sure that the Hillborne was a 
>> very different feeling ride compared to the Bleriot/Saluki.
>>
>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 6:37:51 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Other than sloping TT and a bit longer wheelbase I wonder how different 
>>> these will ride.  I have a same with fat tires and I know these are 
>>> supposed to be close but I wonder.  
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel. 
>>>
>>

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