[RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Erik]

That's one of the bars I picked up as a possibility for the Gus.  I have 
the shifters and levers on it and installed it on the Paul Boxcar stem I 
picked up.  It's a really beautiful bar.  But I'll have to wait and see 
which bar wins out.  

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 7:32:46 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

>
> I had a thread about handlebar choice a few months ago, then Rivendell 
> without any fanfare slipped a new Nitto bar into their lineup which 
> basically filled all of my criteria. The new Bull bar seems to have gone 
> under the radar, (it didn't immediately sell out) and is going to be 
> perfect for my slightly too big XL Susie! I am going to wait until I have 
> the bike in front of me to try all the options and see which one wins.
> I am excited to see everyone else's builds, Some nice sounding parts lists 
> going on here.
> Was hoping for an update in today's email too and was a little 
> disappointed.
>

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[RBW] Latest Blahg, Leah, sheep

[Patrick Moore]

I don't look for wisdom from Grant's blogs, but they do provide
refreshingly honest and positive interest.

I don't want a low-normal rd or new sweepback bar, but I do like reading
about Rivendell bicycles and their riders.

This appealed:

At the very end the ride, maybe 3/4 mile left, the leader for the 15 mph
group whizzed past us. I said to my group, “Should we chase him?” They
laughed because surely I was joking - no one had anything left in their
legs after such a windy ride. I didn’t know if it was against the rules to
break from the group but we were so close to the end that I decided to try.
I chased and caught and even passed the rider, but when I got to my vehicle
where my legs were jelly and my voice was raspy. Ok, maybe it was a little
hard.

I don’t *really* care about beating people but I DO want them to know you
can ride a steel, upright bike and be plenty fast and relevant and
comfortable. I think that is my mission in this club

I expect Leah *does* have something of that "type A" competitive
personality, and good for you!

Goats. Frankly, I like them better than platypuses. But they're close to
sheep, and reading Grant's ecomium (I'll bet you have to look that up) of
goats, it reminded me of this, stuck in mind from years and decades ago. *Bad
Child's Book of Beasts* by Hillaire Belloc, illus. Lord Ian Basil Gawaine
Hamilton Temple Blackwood, 1896.

The Cambrian Welsh or Mountain Sheep

Is of the Ovine race,

His conversation is not deep

But then—observe his face!
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[RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[brendonoid]

I had a thread about handlebar choice a few months ago, then Rivendell 
without any fanfare slipped a new Nitto bar into their lineup which 
basically filled all of my criteria. The new Bull bar seems to have gone 
under the radar, (it didn't immediately sell out) and is going to be 
perfect for my slightly too big XL Susie! I am going to wait until I have 
the bike in front of me to try all the options and see which one wins.
I am excited to see everyone else's builds, Some nice sounding parts lists 
going on here.
Was hoping for an update in today's email too and was a little disappointed.

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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm PlatypusTeam Pro

[Richard Borneman]

Having trouble posting photos or links to photos. Keep getting message too 
big error.

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:28:42 PM UTC-4 Richard Borneman wrote:

> First ride on the Platy was nice. Did a 18 mile ride through a local state 
> park. half paved and half not. This bike is a keeper. I wasn't sure how the 
> low gearing would work for me but it was great. If someone told me a few 
> years ago a 38/24 crankset and a 11-36 cassette would be a good combo, I 
> wouldn't have believed it. Some first impressions...
> Took me a few shifts to get back in the friction mode after mostly index 
> shifting the last few years. The wheelbase is Lg, 125mm
> I like to look down to see what cog I'm occasionally and found I had to 
> look dow and bend over to see the gears.
> Didn't like the B67 Brooks. Too wide for my ass. Going to swap it out for 
> a B17 or a Team Pro
> Told my wife on the way home from Jersey, I can ride this bike off into 
> the sunset. Now I really do have too many bikes.
> Big purge coming. Some candidates are-
> 62 Sam Hillborne
> 63cm Casati
> 60cm Velo Orang Polyvalent
> Send me a PM if you are interested in any of these bikes. I'll post an add 
> when I get a chance.
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm PlatypusTeam Pro

[Richard Borneman]

First ride on the Platy was nice. Did a 18 mile ride through a local state 
park. half paved and half not. This bike is a keeper. I wasn't sure how the 
low gearing would work for me but it was great. If someone told me a few 
years ago a 38/24 crankset and a 11-36 cassette would be a good combo, I 
wouldn't have believed it. Some first impressions...
Took me a few shifts to get back in the friction mode after mostly index 
shifting the last few years. The wheelbase is Lg, 125mm
I like to look down to see what cog I'm occasionally and found I had to 
look dow and bend over to see the gears.
Didn't like the B67 Brooks. Too wide for my ass. Going to swap it out for a 
B17 or a Team Pro
Told my wife on the way home from Jersey, I can ride this bike off into the 
sunset. Now I really do have too many bikes.
Big purge coming. Some candidates are-
62 Sam Hillborne
63cm Casati
60cm Velo Orang Polyvalent
Send me a PM if you are interested in any of these bikes. I'll post an add 
when I get a chance.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The confounding politics of camping

[Eric Floden]

Canada's National Parks at one time had "walk-in" sites that were often
only 25m or so away from car parking, but would often be the last to be
booked. The only one I stayed at with any regularity was at Redstreak in
Kootenay NP, but worth watching for this configuration. (I tried to look it
up on the website but, too confusing on my hand held device, sorry.)

ef

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[Patrick Moore]

Back when I was forced to work in an *office* -- I quit mid-June 2008 and
have worked at home for myself ever since -- I would commute 15 or 16 miles
1-way (I often added another 4-5 miles 1-way) across town, with 7 miles of
gradual climbing inbound. I rode several 67" or 70" fixed gears with Nelson
or Camper Longflaps, the last being that 2003 Riv Road custom converted to
fixed drivetrain by Dave Porter.

I always had in-office space to park my bikes, thank God -- one place even
gave me 2 offices, one for me, one for the bike; another added a little
alcove closet with shelving and hanger bar for clothing.

I was lucky as I didn't have to report until 9 am, and even taking ~60
minutes for the cross-town ride, I was often the first to arrive. We had no
showers, but I found a private office with big desk fan on High and roll of
paper towels and a spritzer bottle of rubbing alcohol did wonderful
cool-down and clean-up duty. I always started my mornings with a shower, so
I started clean -- makes a huge difference.

I rode probably an average of 3X per week, and sometimes carried clothes in
the car on off days. But I usually carried the day's clothing, except for
shoes kept in a desk drawer, along with lunch and repair kit, in the Nelson
LF.

I have to say that my riding style was not "just ride." In my strong, young
late 40s and early 50s I'd often break 60 minutes (54 was my shortest time)
for 16 miles, clock running, even though my route took me through downtown
-- Gold to Central, and Central across town to Juan Tabo, again, climbing,
fixed gear, stopping at lights. I'd always beat the Route 66 bus, often
passing it at the transit center on 1st between Gold and Central and
staying ahead of it the rest of the way.

After a few years of this, I slowed and found a quieter, 15-mile route
through the University and the Fairgrounds, paralleling 66; times bumped to
63-65 minutes, IIRC, but without the 50 mph traffic on 66's eastern fringes.

Despite the hustle, I was always in a far, far better mood after riding
than after driving, this despite the fact that my driving route and
conditions were pretty mellow. Funny, even though my return ride included 7
miles downhill, my times were never faster on return; partly I guess
because I couldn't coast or upshift, but largely because of the strong
Westerlies that almost always brewed up in the mid-afternoon.

[As to driving, ~2X per week, this averaged just under 30 minutes, with 23
min record, IIRC, one manic morning. Recall blasting up I-40 to the Juan
Tabo exit, running late one manic, and zooming under the pedestrian bridge
just No. of Eubank at 85 -- only to see 2 cops leaning over and pointing
radar guns eagerly at me -- too late to slow down. But this was in the 1990
Plymouth Voyager -- true invisible classic even with 140 (count 'em)
stickers -- and the interceptors on the shoulder 1/2 mile further East
didn't bother with me.]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 7:44 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:

>
>1. Only one job had a shower.  Others, got there early (also allowed
>for rare mechanical, flat), cooled down at desk then sponge bathed and
>changed in bathroom stall.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[Roberta]

Such great info.

It did take me many weeks to find my groove and for bike commuting feel 
natural like, well, just riding my bike rather then getting into my car.  
That included trying different routes, clothing options, luggage...what to 
leave at the office, what to carry daily and how.

The Clem is perfect!  I'm looking forward to seeing pictures.

Roberta

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:41:17 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Big thing for me was getting the luggage right. Commuted with a large 
> backpack for a year or so, which was not good for my back.
> Switched to panniers when I got a different job and bought a more 
> rack-friendly bike, but then went off panniers after another
> job change that involved carrying panniers off the bike for longer 
> distances. Now I have a large front basket that holds a roll top backpack
> (UPSO, made by Carradice), plus a saddlebag if I need the extra room. 
>
> Post-Covid, I only have to be in the office twice a week, so I do a longer 
> route. I find myself less inclined (or perhaps unable) to ride it as fast 
> as possible compared to the shorter routes I used to do. This makes it a 
> bit more leisurely. 
>
> Finding a nice route is important. It's often worth adding a bit to the 
> journey to avoid busy roads. My current route goes over the
> recent World Championship course, and you can still see 'Sonny Colbrelli' 
> painted over and over on one of the climbs. 
>
> Cheers,
> Johnny in Belgium
>
> On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 15:44:29 UTC+2 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> Retired now but bike commuted off and on for years in different 
>> cities/jobs etc.  It wasn’t until I retired that I learned how to ride 
>> recreationally.  My approach was this:
>>
>>
>>
>>1. Figure out what route I would be riding and then ride it a few 
>>times on off days and refine if possible/necessary.  Get comfortable with 
>>where the bike will be during the day. 
>>2. My jobs were generally suit and tie.  I kept as much as possible 
>>of my work outfit at work.  If riding say 4 days per week, use day 5 for 
>>swapping out supplies as necessary. 
>>3. Only one job had a shower.  Others, got there early (also allowed 
>>for rare mechanical, flat), cooled down at desk then sponge bathed and 
>>changed in bathroom stall. 
>>4. My experience was that anything under about 10 miles each way was 
>>ideal in that it really didn’t add that much time to my commute and any 
>>that it did counted as recreation/exercise so all was good. 
>>5. Took me about two weeks to adapt.  First two weeks were a chore 
>>adapting to traffic (and it adapting to you), getting my routine down, 
>> body 
>>adjusting, getting in the mental mode that the bike is how I get to and 
>>from work, no choice - within certain parameters,.  After that break in 
>>period, the routine was easy and the commute a joy. I started each day as 
>> a 
>>kid and didn't have to convert to adult mode until I was at work. It gets 
>>easier and easier. 
>>6. A positive I don’t see mentioned often is how predictable the 
>>commute is.  I knew how long it would take me and very little could 
>> change 
>>that.  With a bike it is so much easier to adapt to construction, traffic 
>>situations etc. 
>>7. The more regular I was on what time I rode and where I rode, the 
>>more considerate my fellow commuters were of me.  They were used to 
>> seeing 
>>me and willing to accomodate me.  They knew I wasn’t a recreational rider 
>>getting in their way but just another person getting to work.  Vary my 
>>departure time by as little as 5 or 10 minutes and the new set of 
>> commuters 
>>might be a little less forgiving.  I strongly believe considering myself 
>> as 
>>any other vehicle and asserting my right to the road as well as obeying 
>> all 
>>the traffic laws are important in gaining the respect of one’s fellow 
>>commuters. 
>>8. I suppose it can vary from commute to commute but I sometimes 
>>preferred heavier traffic.  Speed differential is smaller, more 
>> protection 
>>in intersections, and riding by bumper to bumper traffic is always a joy! 
>>9. Fellow workers/friends/family may think you are weird but have 
>>grudging respect.
>>10.  Having a backup bike is nice. 
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>> (commutes have been in LA, El Cerrito-Oakland, Concord-Walnut Creek, St 
>> Louis, San Diego)
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Doug.
>>>
>>> My three month bike commute is two miles each way and it's the best way 
>>> to start the day and to clear my mind at the end of the day.  I was so 
>>> frazzled driving on the highway to our former office.
>>>
>>> I want my commute to be pleasant no matter the method, so I'm not 100% 
>>> riding, but it's close.  If it's below 30* or raining, I'll walk or 
>>> walk/bus. I also watch the 

[RBW] WTT: 44cm Nitto Noodle Bars

[Will M]

Hi all.  I've got a 44cm Nitto Noodle 177 drop bar, but I'd be happier with 
46 or 48cm.  It's clean (a few light scratches but no tape residue; 
straight and true and never crashed). 

Anyone out there got a 46cm or a 48cm that is a little wide for you?  
Probably a long shot, but I thought I'd ask about a trade.  I'd consider 
similar wider bars, such as the old Dirt Drop, etc.

Cheers,
-Will M

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[RBW] Re: The confounding politics of camping

[Edwin W]

I can only think of 1 park here in TN that has hike and bike, which I 
consider not directly connected to a road. I wish all parks had them, 
because even having a few minutes walk/bike from a road makes them much 
less desirable to the loud crowd!

Edwin in TN

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 3:56:16 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> It's nice in the US it seems many sites have "hike and bike" spots that 
> are fairly nice that guarantee you spots. Canada does not typically have 
> them - so on bike it can leave you in a tight spot during peak season. 
>
> I noticed on a road trip in the US through Utah / Nevada that despite 
> National Parks are impossible to book. State Parks and BLM land was often 
> convenient and had nice locations and were more low key. 
>
> I typically find camping during peak seasons unenjoyable as my work is  
> often unpredictable and doesn't allow flexibility and booking so far in 
> advanced gives me anxiety and ruins the effect. I've had great experiences 
> with wingin it during off season or midweek adventures though. Same with 
> bike specific camping (1-4 days max) allows a bit more flexibility than 
> large car camping trips. In a few pinch moments I've had folks offer 
> private land for camping if you ask around a community nicely. 
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing, gave me some new perspective on 'camping' and the 
>> historical context is interesting. Reminds me of an anecdote my uncle in 
>> the bay area related to me once of commenting on a stranger's backpack 
>> 'going camping?' and them responding along the lines of 'i camp every 
>> night.' 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:49:56 PM UTC-4 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> My wife and I used hipcamp.com this past summer with good results.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:02:15 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
 Here's a very interesting article about camping I just read:


 https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-confounding-politics-of-camping-in-america

 This summer we are struggling to book a campsite for a week - all are 
 sold out 6 months in advance. In the past, I would always just show up and 
 be offered a small spot.

 Michael



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[RBW] Re: The confounding politics of camping

[Mackenzy Albright]

It's nice in the US it seems many sites have "hike and bike" spots that are 
fairly nice that guarantee you spots. Canada does not typically have them - 
so on bike it can leave you in a tight spot during peak season. 

I noticed on a road trip in the US through Utah / Nevada that despite 
National Parks are impossible to book. State Parks and BLM land was often 
convenient and had nice locations and were more low key. 

I typically find camping during peak seasons unenjoyable as my work is  
often unpredictable and doesn't allow flexibility and booking so far in 
advanced gives me anxiety and ruins the effect. I've had great experiences 
with wingin it during off season or midweek adventures though. Same with 
bike specific camping (1-4 days max) allows a bit more flexibility than 
large car camping trips. In a few pinch moments I've had folks offer 
private land for camping if you ask around a community nicely. 

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:

> Thanks for sharing, gave me some new perspective on 'camping' and the 
> historical context is interesting. Reminds me of an anecdote my uncle in 
> the bay area related to me once of commenting on a stranger's backpack 
> 'going camping?' and them responding along the lines of 'i camp every 
> night.' 
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:49:56 PM UTC-4 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> My wife and I used hipcamp.com this past summer with good results.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:02:15 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a very interesting article about camping I just read:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-confounding-politics-of-camping-in-america
>>>
>>> This summer we are struggling to book a campsite for a week - all are 
>>> sold out 6 months in advance. In the past, I would always just show up and 
>>> be offered a small spot.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[TP H]

I too am pumped for these to arrive!  I'm hoping we get a newsletter email 
today from Will that confirms their arrival at port by yesterdays estimated 
date.  That will then only be topped by Riv's first shared photo of the 
actual frames - talk about a sight for sore eyes :)  This XL orange Gus is 
my first Riv, so its been a little hard to wait, but ultimately I 
understand the delay with how supply chain issues are going these days.  
The extra time has been nice though to get parts lined up.  I found a NOS 
Nexave Rapid Rise derailer at my local tool/hardware recyclery/co-op for 
$12!  I eBay sourced an old XT crank set with quasi-unconventional 94/58 
BCDs to run a 32/20 double.  That combo paired with a 7-speed 13-34 will 
allow me the climbing gears to get up my sometime steep trails here in 
Eugene, OR, while maintaining some top-end to make the descents nice, too.  
Brooks B17, Velocity Cliffhangers, Bontrager 2.6 XR2s, 65cm Tosco bars, 
Soma High Rider stem, and a few purple (i.e., SimWorks bar end plugs, chain 
ring bolts, and Paul Gino mount) and blue (i.e., Koma tail light and 
Radavist stem cap) anodized bits round out the highlights.

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:33:30 AM UTC-7 Erik wrote:

> I had a complete build for my new Gus from a Susie that I sold in 
> December.  The plan had been to simply buy a new stem but leave everything 
> else as is:  WI/Cliffhanger wheel set from Rich, WI 1x cranks, Tumbleweed 
> Persuader bars, Paul Motolite brakes and levers, etc.  But because I've had 
> so much time to think about it, I've ended up with three bar options, a new 
> Garbaruk 11-50 cassette and pulley kit, new shifters, a LOT of headset 
> spacers, stem caps, bar tape color options, grips, etc.  It's going to be a 
> beautiful build and I can't wait to get started.  
>
> I'm sure there will be a lot of pictures once it's all set up.  Hoping 
> that the ship made it on schedule!   
>
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:54:45 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have been wanting to post for weeks asking about builds to come. 
>> Hopefully they make it to port today and we will be seeing them soon! I had 
>> a pretty mellow Riv style build planned. While waiting, I’ve collected some 
>> other options as well. Can’t wait to put it together! 
>> I’m sure everyone else waiting for one is as excited as I am. I look 
>> forward to seeing some great builds!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[Ryan]

Nice commuting setup...glad you have an office to keep it in...that would 
attract greedy eyes for sure.

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> I've been a bike commuter for a long time, long before I owned a 
> Rivendell.  I picked up my first Rivendell specifically for commuting, in 
> fact.  My commute has always been 5 - 10 miles each way as I've lived near 
> my work for most of my career.  The biggest part of making it viable for me 
> was strategizing and planning for clothes, having good bags, creating 
> storage at work, and leaving enough time when I arrive at work to cool 
> down.  I'm fortunate that I've always had an office large enough to 
> accommodate my bike so I don't have to manage locking it up anywhere.  
>
> Some specific steps I've taken that have made it simpler: 
> -Either keep work clothes at the office (I installed a rod and hangers in 
> a large closet at work and rotated suits and shirts in on Sundays before 
> the work week) or get good panniers that accommodate a suit or two.  
> -Always keep one pair of good shoes at work!  I found that I frequently 
> forgot to pack shoes on a daily basis.  
> -Have a small towel and hair product to fix helmet head after the commute 
> and some toiletries to clean up if needed.
> -Panniers and/or large saddlebags in the back, and a basket up front! 
> Having enough space to easily stow everything is a must and easy to 
> accomplish.  
> -Make sure my bike is ready to go the night before so that I can wake up, 
> shower, eat, and take off without having to consider maintenance.  
> -Bomb-proof tires to avoid flats and repairs en route.  
> -Lights for winter evening commutes and general visibility
> -Good rain gear, including shoes, if you plan to commute year-round.  
>
> As others have said, even one or two days a week is fantastic.  For the 
> past 8 years, my commute is exactly 6 miles each way, but I regularly ride 
> the long way home to stretch it out a bit.  I have found that I'm happier 
> when I get to work, more alert during the day, and shed most of my workday 
> stress on the ride home, leading to more pleasant evenings with the family. 
>  My wife is always happier when I'm consistently commuting by bike because 
> I am apparently much more pleasant to be around after work.  :)  I try to 
> take it easy on the ride in so I don't get overheated, but like to ride 
> hard going home.  
>
> At 6 miles, it takes about 5-10 minutes longer to ride than it does to 
> drive.  It's really a no-brainer for me.  And as someone else already said, 
> the commuting time is always consistent.  No traffic.  No construction 
> delays. The only variation on how long it takes is down to the weather. 
>  One last thing that has made this easier: our county completed a bike path 
> through my city that accounts for about 4.5 miles of my commute.  It's been 
> nice to have only a few sections where I'm riding in traffic.  I'm 
> comfortable riding around cars, but the less I have to do it, the better. 
>  It takes another level of awareness to ride in traffic.  It's a much more 
> casual and serene ride on the bike path.  
>
> Erik 
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:41:39 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>>  I'd love to hear hers and others experiences, challenges and benefits.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Platypus

[Jared Wilson]

Glad to hear you landed the NJ Platy! For a great deal none the less! Like 
Eric said, we want photos!

And now that you've secured one I feel that I can speak up to being the one 
who snagged the CA Platy, it was about a 12 hour round trip to pick it up 
but it's safe and sound in the shop now, I'll add photos only after you do, 
I don't want to take away from your excitement.
On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:43:50 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very cool! Congrats! On behalf of the group, we want pictures! 
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:57:42 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Winner!  
>> That's a really nice bike. Enjoy! 
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:38:28 AM UTC-7 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>>
>>> I bought the Platy in NJ yesterday. Went up to take a look yesterday. 
>>> Offered him 3K cash and he bit. 
>>> Bike is like new, been ridden maybe 100 miles or so. It was my birthday, 
>>> so I treated myself.
>>> Came home, ate lunch, set seat post height and went for a ride. Ride 
>>> report to follow.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Ryan]

Greg...is that Ibis the Scorcher? Man...that bike was so cool. If it didn't 
in some way inspire the Bridgestone X0-1 , I'd be very surprised. They 
certainly both have that iconoclastic vibe 

http://www.63xc.com/scorcher/scorcher.htm 

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:48:56 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:

> I am also thinking hard about which bike is appropriate for this headset. 
>  The closest I have to that era MTB is an Ibis SS, but I'm thinking maybe 
> the '81 Ritchey sport-touring or the Riv Wford All-Rounder?
>
> Greg
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I'm going to put the headset in a place of high honor on my new 
>> forthcoming Nobilette Roadeo.  In honor of Charlie I'm going to execute two 
>> maker projects:
>>
>> 1. I'm going to make a little plastic shadowbox to display the postcard 
>> of Jacquie and Charlie, along with the autographed headset box.  I'll hang 
>> that on my wall.
>> 2. But wait, Bill, your new Roadeo is going to be 1" threadless!  Yup!  
>> In my community college machine shop class, I'm going to convert this 
>> threaded headset into a threadless headset.  How the heck are you gonna 
>> pull of that craziness?!?!  Wait and see!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-7 Mitch Browne wrote:
>>
>>> Received my NIB headset and chain yesterday.  Nice picture card of 
>>> Jacquie and Charlie inside box.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 I got a headset coming my way. I don't even know what it's for. I'm 
 turning 50 next month, maybe I'll incorporate it into a bike present for 
 myself!

 Eric

 On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:03 PM Bill Lindsay  
 wrote:

> This was such an obvious purchase.  I sat back to be polite and let 
> all the smart money buy them up.  When I emailed Jacquie she still had 
> headsets to sell.  So I bought a headset and a chain.  I'll sit back 
> again 
> to let the smart money buy what remains, but after my politeness runs 
> out, 
> I might go back and buy more.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie 
>> Phelan have an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB 
>> headsets 
>> and Sachs/Sedis chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie 
>> at batnet.com. Payment should be via paypal using Jacquie's email 
>> address. Friends and family only please. Please do not send any money 
>> until 
>> Jacquie confirms your purchase.
>>
>> About the headsets... These are WTB Grease Guard headsets. Grease 
>> Guard was a "thing" back in the early days of mountain biking. Charlie 
>> created Grease Guard and SunTour licensed it. Wilderness Trail Bikes 
>> (WTB) 
>> is the company Charlie founded and was later forced out of. These are 1" 
>> threaded headsets, and are new-in-box. Each box is personally signed by 
>> Charlie, so you not only get a great headset - you get a piece of 
>> history 
>> and a collector's item. The headsets are priced at $75 plus shipping via 
>> USPS.
>>
>> About the chains... These are Sachs/Sedis 6/7/8 speed chains. They 
>> measure 57 inches long and therefore have 114 links each. The chains are 
>> new and unused. You can buy a less expensive chain elsewhere - or you 
>> can 
>> buy one of these Sachs/Sedis chains, get a piece of history and help out 
>> Jacquie and Charlie. The chains are priced at $40 each plus shipping via 
>> USPS.
>>
>> Link for photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FMZGGcXysNkzkBBR7
>>
>> Thanks for looking,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
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[RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[Jason Fuller]

Friction shifted Clem is such a perfect commuter!  My commute is 10 miles 
and takes me 50-60 minutes depending how my legs feel that day. I bought 
the Charlie Gallop proto with this commute as its primary purpose. The long 
rear end suits panniers super well, and while they're not trendy, you can't 
beat a pannier for commuting - fits a laptop if you need to, generally 
roomy and easy to find waterproof options, and easily removed and carried 
to your desk which is a big one for me. 

Good full-wrap fenders are a must around here, not just for rainy days but 
to keep road stuff off you generally. Dynamo lights are a game changer. A 
basket and net (in addition to the pannier) is great for unforeseen needs, 
errands on the way home etc.  Keeping a compact poncho in your pannier is a 
good move if rain is possible. I like having an Abus Bordo lock mounted to 
one of the bottle mounts so that it's always there and I can't forget to 
pack it.  Similarly, an essentials kit with tube, pump, simple tool(s), 
snacks, etc should be kept in the pannier at all times. I'd recommend 
separating this kit from your recreational ride kit potentially. 

Toughest part for me is getting up a bit earlier vs driving.  I have yet to 
regret riding my bike over driving - even when the weather is gross, it's 
still better to me!  Wool base layers are key to this. The best thing to do 
is try it and learn from it.  


On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 10:15:18 UTC-7 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Doug,
>
> Hope you stay with it. There were a couple of studies a few years ago that 
> found the best health out comes were people that bike commuted. I haven't 
> been bike commuting since the start of COVID, but before that I did for 
> years and always enjoyed it, despite the occasional flat tire or mechanical 
> (one time the seat post bolt broke and I had to stand for the mile or so to 
> get home!). Anyway, all good advice from the others. I would add, try to be 
> creative in figuring out what's best for you. Prior to COVID, I would drive 
> in on Monday morning with the bike and my clothes/shoes for the week in my 
> van. Then biked for the next few round trips until Thursday evening, when I 
> drove home. Fridays were WFH.
>
> Good luck,
> JohnS
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:00:11 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah...another thing I forgot to mention is that...except when I was 
>> on-call during the day, even though I worked 5 days a week , I had pretty 
>> flexible start and end times. Most of the folks I worked with were early 
>> risers; me not so much, so I would leave around 9am and avoid the morning 
>> rush downtown and hang around and work till about 6pm and avoid the evening 
>> rush.
>>
>> When I worked for Great West Life (now Canada Life) they had OK but not 
>> perfect lockup facilities.Since I retired they built a state-of-the-art 
>> smart card entry bike hangar; sheltered, etc...the whole 9-yards...but 
>> since Covid and the move to have everyone working from home and no real 
>> mass return to the office , I'm not sure it's all that heavily used.
>>
>> That being said, when I was still working, I did not ride my Rivendells 
>> to work. I rode my 1993 fendered X0-1 for rain and my early 70's PX-10 
>> (which mechanically was perfectly fine but showed its age, like its owner) 
>> set up as a single speed with moustache bars...my all-time favorite bars. 
>> It's flat in Winnipeg. Windy but flat. There was and is a fair amount of 
>> bike theft downtown, like any other city, but mountain bikes ...and newer 
>> bikes are more attractive than my bikes.  Might be more of a spike with 
>> supply shortages.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:41:17 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Big thing for me was getting the luggage right. Commuted with a large 
>>> backpack for a year or so, which was not good for my back.
>>> Switched to panniers when I got a different job and bought a more 
>>> rack-friendly bike, but then went off panniers after another
>>> job change that involved carrying panniers off the bike for longer 
>>> distances. Now I have a large front basket that holds a roll top backpack
>>> (UPSO, made by Carradice), plus a saddlebag if I need the extra room. 
>>>
>>> Post-Covid, I only have to be in the office twice a week, so I do a 
>>> longer route. I find myself less inclined (or perhaps unable) to ride it as 
>>> fast as possible compared to the shorter routes I used to do. This makes it 
>>> a bit more leisurely. 
>>>
>>> Finding a nice route is important. It's often worth adding a bit to the 
>>> journey to avoid busy roads. My current route goes over the
>>> recent World Championship course, and you can still see 'Sonny 
>>> Colbrelli' painted over and over on one of the climbs. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Johnny in Belgium
>>>
>>> On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 15:44:29 UTC+2 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
 Retired now but bike commuted off and on for years in different 
 cities/jobs 

[RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Erik]

I had a complete build for my new Gus from a Susie that I sold in December. 
 The plan had been to simply buy a new stem but leave everything else as 
is:  WI/Cliffhanger wheel set from Rich, WI 1x cranks, Tumbleweed Persuader 
bars, Paul Motolite brakes and levers, etc.  But because I've had so much 
time to think about it, I've ended up with three bar options, a new 
Garbaruk 11-50 cassette and pulley kit, new shifters, a LOT of headset 
spacers, stem caps, bar tape color options, grips, etc.  It's going to be a 
beautiful build and I can't wait to get started.  

I'm sure there will be a lot of pictures once it's all set up.  Hoping that 
the ship made it on schedule!   

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:54:45 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have been wanting to post for weeks asking about builds to come. 
> Hopefully they make it to port today and we will be seeing them soon! I had 
> a pretty mellow Riv style build planned. While waiting, I’ve collected some 
> other options as well. Can’t wait to put it together! 
> I’m sure everyone else waiting for one is as excited as I am. I look 
> forward to seeing some great builds!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Greg J]

I am also thinking hard about which bike is appropriate for this headset. 
 The closest I have to that era MTB is an Ibis SS, but I'm thinking maybe 
the '81 Ritchey sport-touring or the Riv Wford All-Rounder?

Greg

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm going to put the headset in a place of high honor on my new 
> forthcoming Nobilette Roadeo.  In honor of Charlie I'm going to execute two 
> maker projects:
>
> 1. I'm going to make a little plastic shadowbox to display the postcard of 
> Jacquie and Charlie, along with the autographed headset box.  I'll hang 
> that on my wall.
> 2. But wait, Bill, your new Roadeo is going to be 1" threadless!  Yup!  In 
> my community college machine shop class, I'm going to convert this threaded 
> headset into a threadless headset.  How the heck are you gonna pull of that 
> craziness?!?!  Wait and see!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-7 Mitch Browne wrote:
>
>> Received my NIB headset and chain yesterday.  Nice picture card of 
>> Jacquie and Charlie inside box.
>>
>> Mitch
>> San Luis Obispo, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I got a headset coming my way. I don't even know what it's for. I'm 
>>> turning 50 next month, maybe I'll incorporate it into a bike present for 
>>> myself!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:03 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 This was such an obvious purchase.  I sat back to be polite and let all 
 the smart money buy them up.  When I emailed Jacquie she still had 
 headsets 
 to sell.  So I bought a headset and a chain.  I'll sit back again to let 
 the smart money buy what remains, but after my politeness runs out, I 
 might 
 go back and buy more.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> Hi -
>
> Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie 
> Phelan have an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB 
> headsets 
> and Sachs/Sedis chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie 
> at batnet.com. Payment should be via paypal using Jacquie's email 
> address. Friends and family only please. Please do not send any money 
> until 
> Jacquie confirms your purchase.
>
> About the headsets... These are WTB Grease Guard headsets. Grease 
> Guard was a "thing" back in the early days of mountain biking. Charlie 
> created Grease Guard and SunTour licensed it. Wilderness Trail Bikes 
> (WTB) 
> is the company Charlie founded and was later forced out of. These are 1" 
> threaded headsets, and are new-in-box. Each box is personally signed by 
> Charlie, so you not only get a great headset - you get a piece of history 
> and a collector's item. The headsets are priced at $75 plus shipping via 
> USPS.
>
> About the chains... These are Sachs/Sedis 6/7/8 speed chains. They 
> measure 57 inches long and therefore have 114 links each. The chains are 
> new and unused. You can buy a less expensive chain elsewhere - or you can 
> buy one of these Sachs/Sedis chains, get a piece of history and help out 
> Jacquie and Charlie. The chains are priced at $40 each plus shipping via 
> USPS.
>
> Link for photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FMZGGcXysNkzkBBR7
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
>
> Corwin
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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Platypus

[Eric Marth]

Very cool! Congrats! On behalf of the group, we want pictures! 

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:57:42 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Winner!  
> That's a really nice bike. Enjoy! 
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:38:28 AM UTC-7 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> I bought the Platy in NJ yesterday. Went up to take a look yesterday. 
>> Offered him 3K cash and he bit. 
>> Bike is like new, been ridden maybe 100 miles or so. It was my birthday, 
>> so I treated myself.
>> Came home, ate lunch, set seat post height and went for a ride. Ride 
>> report to follow.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Discussion on Reddit

[Richard Rose]

Watching this makes it all look so “doable”. And fun.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
> 
> Watching Mr. Hirose (RIP) install fenders or do just about anything on a 
> bicycle would have been a joy to watch live!
> 
> Edwin
> 
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:15:13 AM UTC-5 Igor wrote:
>> I prefer working with Honjo undrilled fenders over any other. Need a lot of 
>> patience and some good tooling. If that is not something one is into, yes VO 
>> are better.
>> 
>> Here's a great video of CS Hirose installing fenders that helps :) 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xbveQQHo00
>> 
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-4 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Nobody asked, but here's my somtwo cents: VO metal fenders are much easier 
>>> to install **well** than the SKS plastic ones.  They're predrilled, so you 
>>> only need basic tools like allen wrenches and a little bit of patience 
>>> (maybe a drill if you're going to directly mount to a rando rack, too). 
>>> Once they're installed, they stay in place much better than the SKS. The 
>>> stays are thick enough that if they get whacked, they're unlikely to bend.  
>>>  With many metal fenders, you can gently reradius them for a better fender 
>>> line.  Installing metal fenders stays from VO and similar brands requires 
>>> you to cut or dremel the fender stay, so four cuts. VO helpfully includes 
>>> both a bracket and daruma for mounting to a variety of frames. Once they're 
>>> on the bike, VO fenders tend to stay in place and seem to have a nice 
>>> fender line.   
>>> 
>>> SKS fenders have fiddly stays, which I'm constantly finding get bent out of 
>>> shape.  The fenders have an arc that can't be altered, so you'd better hope 
>>> it fits the tire (or not be concerned with frivolity like fender line, but 
>>> hey, I am).  The stays, if they require cutting, have more metal to cut and 
>>> it's flimsy. Once cut, you've also got sharp ends facing your legs, which 
>>> SKS helpfully provides little rubber thingees to cover. These are a total 
>>> PITA to mount in my experience. Once on a bike, I find that they are easy 
>>> to knock out of alignment. There are positives: SKS fenders are pretty 
>>> minimal, so can be squeezed onto a bike well. They do have the nice QR 
>>> feature when something gets jammed between fender and tire. However,  if 
>>> you're worried about a QR system, Portland Design Works sells a quick 
>>> release tab that I put on bikes with knobby tires and metal fenders for 
>>> safety. 
>>> 
>>> The real challenge, IMHO, are the Sim Works and Honjo (maybe redundant, as 
>>> Honjo makes the SW models?) versions that are completely  undrilled. You 
>>> get infinite options for mounting and infinite chance to err. I call these 
>>> six pack fenders, and they generally take a day to install. They generally 
>>> look fantastic. 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, Rivendell and other manufacturers that include plenty of space and 
>>> provisions for fender mounting are the best, and we should all buy their 
>>> bikes!
>>> 
>>> Brett in pdx
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
 
 
   SKS fenders may be easy-er than nothing to install for someone like a 
 bike shop looking for a path of least resistance, but sheesh  they 
 look awful. I have some Bluemel P50's on my Bombadil. Frankly, any fender 
 can be a challenge to install so I'd rather have some metal ones that look 
 like they belong on the bike if I'm going to have anything on there. 
 
  As Patrick pointed out though, regular SKS fenders are much too short in 
 length, and they doesn't make longboard styles for the larger 700c 
 fenders. They do sell x-long flaps as add-ons, but it's an add-on that 
 would be better served as being included. SKS is wildly inconsistent in 
 their fender offerings. 
 
   I ordered some 63mm VO fenders for more coverage and they look nice. 
 I'll likely have to move the front stay down because it looks like they 
 drill it for right where the toes would come closest to the fenders and 
 the bolts stick out. I like the way Berthoud does their stays though as 
 they are flattened at the bend. 
 
   I read that the Portland Design Works safety tabs work for VO stays. 
 Again, it would be nice to have them as standard on the VO. I really 
 dislike buying new stuff and then needing to change something about it.
 
   The funny thing is most of the times I've been caught in rainstorms have 
 been on my 1999 custom Franklin that has no fenders. I used to rain ride 
 for hours in Minnesota back in the day with no fenders , nor would they 
 have fit on a racing bike.
 
   I was out riding today in cold and wind and felt like crap. Then I 
 thought of Mike the Mailman riding all those hard miles on his whatever 
 bike he had. So I let go all silly ideas of 

[RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[JohnS]

Hello Doug,

Hope you stay with it. There were a couple of studies a few years ago that 
found the best health out comes were people that bike commuted. I haven't 
been bike commuting since the start of COVID, but before that I did for 
years and always enjoyed it, despite the occasional flat tire or mechanical 
(one time the seat post bolt broke and I had to stand for the mile or so to 
get home!). Anyway, all good advice from the others. I would add, try to be 
creative in figuring out what's best for you. Prior to COVID, I would drive 
in on Monday morning with the bike and my clothes/shoes for the week in my 
van. Then biked for the next few round trips until Thursday evening, when I 
drove home. Fridays were WFH.

Good luck,
JohnS



On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:00:11 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Oh yeah...another thing I forgot to mention is that...except when I was 
> on-call during the day, even though I worked 5 days a week , I had pretty 
> flexible start and end times. Most of the folks I worked with were early 
> risers; me not so much, so I would leave around 9am and avoid the morning 
> rush downtown and hang around and work till about 6pm and avoid the evening 
> rush.
>
> When I worked for Great West Life (now Canada Life) they had OK but not 
> perfect lockup facilities.Since I retired they built a state-of-the-art 
> smart card entry bike hangar; sheltered, etc...the whole 9-yards...but 
> since Covid and the move to have everyone working from home and no real 
> mass return to the office , I'm not sure it's all that heavily used.
>
> That being said, when I was still working, I did not ride my Rivendells to 
> work. I rode my 1993 fendered X0-1 for rain and my early 70's PX-10 (which 
> mechanically was perfectly fine but showed its age, like its owner) set up 
> as a single speed with moustache bars...my all-time favorite bars. It's 
> flat in Winnipeg. Windy but flat. There was and is a fair amount of bike 
> theft downtown, like any other city, but mountain bikes ...and newer bikes 
> are more attractive than my bikes.  Might be more of a spike with supply 
> shortages.
>
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:41:17 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Big thing for me was getting the luggage right. Commuted with a large 
>> backpack for a year or so, which was not good for my back.
>> Switched to panniers when I got a different job and bought a more 
>> rack-friendly bike, but then went off panniers after another
>> job change that involved carrying panniers off the bike for longer 
>> distances. Now I have a large front basket that holds a roll top backpack
>> (UPSO, made by Carradice), plus a saddlebag if I need the extra room. 
>>
>> Post-Covid, I only have to be in the office twice a week, so I do a 
>> longer route. I find myself less inclined (or perhaps unable) to ride it as 
>> fast as possible compared to the shorter routes I used to do. This makes it 
>> a bit more leisurely. 
>>
>> Finding a nice route is important. It's often worth adding a bit to the 
>> journey to avoid busy roads. My current route goes over the
>> recent World Championship course, and you can still see 'Sonny Colbrelli' 
>> painted over and over on one of the climbs. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Johnny in Belgium
>>
>> On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 15:44:29 UTC+2 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> Retired now but bike commuted off and on for years in different 
>>> cities/jobs etc.  It wasn’t until I retired that I learned how to ride 
>>> recreationally.  My approach was this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Figure out what route I would be riding and then ride it a few 
>>>times on off days and refine if possible/necessary.  Get comfortable 
>>> with 
>>>where the bike will be during the day. 
>>>2. My jobs were generally suit and tie.  I kept as much as possible 
>>>of my work outfit at work.  If riding say 4 days per week, use day 5 for 
>>>swapping out supplies as necessary. 
>>>3. Only one job had a shower.  Others, got there early (also allowed 
>>>for rare mechanical, flat), cooled down at desk then sponge bathed and 
>>>changed in bathroom stall. 
>>>4. My experience was that anything under about 10 miles each way was 
>>>ideal in that it really didn’t add that much time to my commute and any 
>>>that it did counted as recreation/exercise so all was good. 
>>>5. Took me about two weeks to adapt.  First two weeks were a chore 
>>>adapting to traffic (and it adapting to you), getting my routine down, 
>>> body 
>>>adjusting, getting in the mental mode that the bike is how I get to and 
>>>from work, no choice - within certain parameters,.  After that break in 
>>>period, the routine was easy and the commute a joy. I started each day 
>>> as a 
>>>kid and didn't have to convert to adult mode until I was at work. It 
>>> gets 
>>>easier and easier. 
>>>6. A positive I don’t see mentioned often is how predictable the 
>>>commute is.  I 

[RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

Platypus
60cm
2950
Santa Barbara, CA
https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/bik/d/santa-barbara-rivendell-platypus-60cm/7476823235.html

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[RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[Ryan]

Oh yeah...another thing I forgot to mention is that...except when I was 
on-call during the day, even though I worked 5 days a week , I had pretty 
flexible start and end times. Most of the folks I worked with were early 
risers; me not so much, so I would leave around 9am and avoid the morning 
rush downtown and hang around and work till about 6pm and avoid the evening 
rush.

When I worked for Great West Life (now Canada Life) they had OK but not 
perfect lockup facilities.Since I retired they built a state-of-the-art 
smart card entry bike hangar; sheltered, etc...the whole 9-yards...but 
since Covid and the move to have everyone working from home and no real 
mass return to the office , I'm not sure it's all that heavily used.

That being said, when I was still working, I did not ride my Rivendells to 
work. I rode my 1993 fendered X0-1 for rain and my early 70's PX-10 (which 
mechanically was perfectly fine but showed its age, like its owner) set up 
as a single speed with moustache bars...my all-time favorite bars. It's 
flat in Winnipeg. Windy but flat. There was and is a fair amount of bike 
theft downtown, like any other city, but mountain bikes ...and newer bikes 
are more attractive than my bikes.  Might be more of a spike with supply 
shortages.


On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:41:17 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Big thing for me was getting the luggage right. Commuted with a large 
> backpack for a year or so, which was not good for my back.
> Switched to panniers when I got a different job and bought a more 
> rack-friendly bike, but then went off panniers after another
> job change that involved carrying panniers off the bike for longer 
> distances. Now I have a large front basket that holds a roll top backpack
> (UPSO, made by Carradice), plus a saddlebag if I need the extra room. 
>
> Post-Covid, I only have to be in the office twice a week, so I do a longer 
> route. I find myself less inclined (or perhaps unable) to ride it as fast 
> as possible compared to the shorter routes I used to do. This makes it a 
> bit more leisurely. 
>
> Finding a nice route is important. It's often worth adding a bit to the 
> journey to avoid busy roads. My current route goes over the
> recent World Championship course, and you can still see 'Sonny Colbrelli' 
> painted over and over on one of the climbs. 
>
> Cheers,
> Johnny in Belgium
>
> On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 15:44:29 UTC+2 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> Retired now but bike commuted off and on for years in different 
>> cities/jobs etc.  It wasn’t until I retired that I learned how to ride 
>> recreationally.  My approach was this:
>>
>>
>>
>>1. Figure out what route I would be riding and then ride it a few 
>>times on off days and refine if possible/necessary.  Get comfortable with 
>>where the bike will be during the day. 
>>2. My jobs were generally suit and tie.  I kept as much as possible 
>>of my work outfit at work.  If riding say 4 days per week, use day 5 for 
>>swapping out supplies as necessary. 
>>3. Only one job had a shower.  Others, got there early (also allowed 
>>for rare mechanical, flat), cooled down at desk then sponge bathed and 
>>changed in bathroom stall. 
>>4. My experience was that anything under about 10 miles each way was 
>>ideal in that it really didn’t add that much time to my commute and any 
>>that it did counted as recreation/exercise so all was good. 
>>5. Took me about two weeks to adapt.  First two weeks were a chore 
>>adapting to traffic (and it adapting to you), getting my routine down, 
>> body 
>>adjusting, getting in the mental mode that the bike is how I get to and 
>>from work, no choice - within certain parameters,.  After that break in 
>>period, the routine was easy and the commute a joy. I started each day as 
>> a 
>>kid and didn't have to convert to adult mode until I was at work. It gets 
>>easier and easier. 
>>6. A positive I don’t see mentioned often is how predictable the 
>>commute is.  I knew how long it would take me and very little could 
>> change 
>>that.  With a bike it is so much easier to adapt to construction, traffic 
>>situations etc. 
>>7. The more regular I was on what time I rode and where I rode, the 
>>more considerate my fellow commuters were of me.  They were used to 
>> seeing 
>>me and willing to accomodate me.  They knew I wasn’t a recreational rider 
>>getting in their way but just another person getting to work.  Vary my 
>>departure time by as little as 5 or 10 minutes and the new set of 
>> commuters 
>>might be a little less forgiving.  I strongly believe considering myself 
>> as 
>>any other vehicle and asserting my right to the road as well as obeying 
>> all 
>>the traffic laws are important in gaining the respect of one’s fellow 
>>commuters. 
>>8. I suppose it can vary from commute to commute but I sometimes 

Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

Winner!  
That's a really nice bike. Enjoy! 

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:38:28 AM UTC-7 rsb...@msn.com wrote:

> I bought the Platy in NJ yesterday. Went up to take a look yesterday. 
> Offered him 3K cash and he bit. 
> Bike is like new, been ridden maybe 100 miles or so. It was my birthday, 
> so I treated myself.
> Came home, ate lunch, set seat post height and went for a ride. Ride 
> report to follow.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Platypus

[Johnny Alien]

Nice score! Congrats!

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:38:28 AM UTC-4 rsb...@msn.com wrote:

> I bought the Platy in NJ yesterday. Went up to take a look yesterday. 
> Offered him 3K cash and he bit. 
> Bike is like new, been ridden maybe 100 miles or so. It was my birthday, 
> so I treated myself.
> Came home, ate lunch, set seat post height and went for a ride. Ride 
> report to follow.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[Den John]

Hello all,

Big thing for me was getting the luggage right. Commuted with a large 
backpack for a year or so, which was not good for my back.
Switched to panniers when I got a different job and bought a more 
rack-friendly bike, but then went off panniers after another
job change that involved carrying panniers off the bike for longer 
distances. Now I have a large front basket that holds a roll top backpack
(UPSO, made by Carradice), plus a saddlebag if I need the extra room. 

Post-Covid, I only have to be in the office twice a week, so I do a longer 
route. I find myself less inclined (or perhaps unable) to ride it as fast 
as possible compared to the shorter routes I used to do. This makes it a 
bit more leisurely. 

Finding a nice route is important. It's often worth adding a bit to the 
journey to avoid busy roads. My current route goes over the
recent World Championship course, and you can still see 'Sonny Colbrelli' 
painted over and over on one of the climbs. 

Cheers,
Johnny in Belgium

On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 15:44:29 UTC+2 Bill Schairer wrote:

> Retired now but bike commuted off and on for years in different 
> cities/jobs etc.  It wasn’t until I retired that I learned how to ride 
> recreationally.  My approach was this:
>
>
>
>1. Figure out what route I would be riding and then ride it a few 
>times on off days and refine if possible/necessary.  Get comfortable with 
>where the bike will be during the day. 
>2. My jobs were generally suit and tie.  I kept as much as possible of 
>my work outfit at work.  If riding say 4 days per week, use day 5 for 
>swapping out supplies as necessary. 
>3. Only one job had a shower.  Others, got there early (also allowed 
>for rare mechanical, flat), cooled down at desk then sponge bathed and 
>changed in bathroom stall. 
>4. My experience was that anything under about 10 miles each way was 
>ideal in that it really didn’t add that much time to my commute and any 
>that it did counted as recreation/exercise so all was good. 
>5. Took me about two weeks to adapt.  First two weeks were a chore 
>adapting to traffic (and it adapting to you), getting my routine down, 
> body 
>adjusting, getting in the mental mode that the bike is how I get to and 
>from work, no choice - within certain parameters,.  After that break in 
>period, the routine was easy and the commute a joy. I started each day as 
> a 
>kid and didn't have to convert to adult mode until I was at work. It gets 
>easier and easier. 
>6. A positive I don’t see mentioned often is how predictable the 
>commute is.  I knew how long it would take me and very little could change 
>that.  With a bike it is so much easier to adapt to construction, traffic 
>situations etc. 
>7. The more regular I was on what time I rode and where I rode, the 
>more considerate my fellow commuters were of me.  They were used to seeing 
>me and willing to accomodate me.  They knew I wasn’t a recreational rider 
>getting in their way but just another person getting to work.  Vary my 
>departure time by as little as 5 or 10 minutes and the new set of 
> commuters 
>might be a little less forgiving.  I strongly believe considering myself 
> as 
>any other vehicle and asserting my right to the road as well as obeying 
> all 
>the traffic laws are important in gaining the respect of one’s fellow 
>commuters. 
>8. I suppose it can vary from commute to commute but I sometimes 
>preferred heavier traffic.  Speed differential is smaller, more protection 
>in intersections, and riding by bumper to bumper traffic is always a joy! 
>9. Fellow workers/friends/family may think you are weird but have 
>grudging respect.
>10.  Having a backup bike is nice. 
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
> (commutes have been in LA, El Cerrito-Oakland, Concord-Walnut Creek, St 
> Louis, San Diego)
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Doug.
>>
>> My three month bike commute is two miles each way and it's the best way 
>> to start the day and to clear my mind at the end of the day.  I was so 
>> frazzled driving on the highway to our former office.
>>
>> I want my commute to be pleasant no matter the method, so I'm not 100% 
>> riding, but it's close.  If it's below 30* or raining, I'll walk or 
>> walk/bus. I also watch the weather, so if it's going to rain about the time 
>> I leave, I'll leave early or late.  Or, I'll leave my bike at the office 
>> and walk/bus home. I'm lucky that I have options.   I'm also lucky that I 
>> can bring my bike into my office.  I leave work pants and shoes at the 
>> office during the week and change them at work.  Also, although no route is 
>> 100% safe for me, I try to ride on roads with bike lanes or on less 
>> traveled roads if no bike specific lanes are available.  There are a lot of 
>> reflectors and lights on my bike and me (I 

Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Platypus

[Richard Borneman]

I bought the Platy in NJ yesterday. Went up to take a look yesterday. 
Offered him 3K cash and he bit. 
Bike is like new, been ridden maybe 100 miles or so. It was my birthday, so 
I treated myself.
Came home, ate lunch, set seat post height and went for a ride. Ride report 
to follow.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 8cm

[greenteadrinkers]

Hello - please let me know if the stem is still available, thx!

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:51:07 PM UTC-4 Ginz wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a new in the sealed bag Nitto Dirt Drop stem, 8cm, 26.0.
>
> Bought it from Rivendell last year and never used it.
>
> $68 shipped in CONUS. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Discussion on Reddit

[Edwin W]

Watching Mr. Hirose (RIP) install fenders or do just about anything on a 
bicycle would have been a joy to watch live!

Edwin

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:15:13 AM UTC-5 Igor wrote:

> I prefer working with Honjo undrilled fenders over any other. Need a lot 
> of patience and some good tooling. If that is not something one is into, 
> yes VO are better.
>
> Here's a great video of CS Hirose installing fenders that helps :) 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xbveQQHo00
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-4 brettjc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Nobody asked, but here's my somtwo cents: VO metal fenders are much 
>> easier to install **well** than the SKS plastic ones.  They're predrilled, 
>> so you only need basic tools like allen wrenches and a little bit of 
>> patience (maybe a drill if you're going to directly mount to a rando rack, 
>> too). Once they're installed, they stay in place much better than the SKS. 
>> The stays are thick enough that if they get whacked, they're unlikely to 
>> bend.   With many metal fenders, you can gently reradius them for a better 
>> fender line.  Installing metal fenders stays from VO and similar brands 
>> requires you to cut or dremel the fender stay, so four cuts. VO helpfully 
>> includes both a bracket and daruma for mounting to a variety of frames. 
>> Once they're on the bike, VO fenders tend to stay in place and seem to have 
>> a nice fender line.   
>>
>> SKS fenders have fiddly stays, which I'm constantly finding get bent out 
>> of shape.  The fenders have an arc that can't be altered, so you'd better 
>> hope it fits the tire (or not be concerned with frivolity like fender line, 
>> but hey, I am).  The stays, if they require cutting, have more metal to cut 
>> and it's flimsy. Once cut, you've also got sharp ends facing your legs, 
>> which SKS helpfully provides little rubber thingees to cover. These are a 
>> total PITA to mount in my experience. Once on a bike, I find that they are 
>> easy to knock out of alignment. There are positives: SKS fenders are pretty 
>> minimal, so can be squeezed onto a bike well. They do have the nice QR 
>> feature when something gets jammed between fender and tire. However,  if 
>> you're worried about a QR system, Portland Design Works sells a quick 
>> release tab that I put on bikes with knobby tires and metal fenders for 
>> safety. 
>>
>> The real challenge, IMHO, are the Sim Works and Honjo (maybe redundant, 
>> as Honjo makes the SW models?) versions that are completely  undrilled. You 
>> get infinite options for mounting and infinite chance to err. I call these 
>> six pack fenders, and they generally take a day to install. They generally 
>> look fantastic. 
>>
>> Anyway, Rivendell and other manufacturers that include plenty of space 
>> and provisions for fender mounting are the best, and we should all buy 
>> their bikes!
>>
>> Brett in pdx
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   SKS fenders may be easy-er than nothing to install for someone like a 
>>> bike shop looking for a path of least resistance, but sheesh  they look 
>>> awful. I have some Bluemel P50's on my Bombadil. Frankly, any fender can be 
>>> a challenge to install so I'd rather have some metal ones that look like 
>>> they belong on the bike if I'm going to have anything on there. 
>>>
>>>  As Patrick pointed out though, regular SKS fenders are much too short 
>>> in length, and they doesn't make longboard styles for the larger 700c 
>>> fenders. They do sell x-long flaps as add-ons, but it's an add-on that 
>>> would be better served as being included. SKS is wildly inconsistent in 
>>> their fender offerings. 
>>>
>>>   I ordered some 63mm VO fenders for more coverage and they look nice. 
>>> I'll likely have to move the front stay down because it looks like they 
>>> drill it for right where the toes would come closest to the fenders and the 
>>> bolts stick out. I like the way Berthoud does their stays though as they 
>>> are flattened at the bend. 
>>>
>>>   I read that the Portland Design Works safety tabs work for VO stays. 
>>> Again, it would be nice to have them as standard on the VO. I really 
>>> dislike buying new stuff and then needing to change something about it.
>>>
>>>   The funny thing is most of the times I've been caught in rainstorms 
>>> have been on my 1999 custom Franklin that has no fenders. I used to rain 
>>> ride for hours in Minnesota back in the day with no fenders , nor would 
>>> they have fit on a racing bike.
>>>
>>>   I was out riding today in cold and wind and felt like crap. Then I 
>>> thought of Mike the Mailman riding all those hard miles on his whatever 
>>> bike he had. So I let go all silly ideas of obligations and rode on, broke 
>>> out in songs of appreciation  and just enjoyed everything about it. 
>>>
>>>  The Secret to Life is that there is no Secret to Life. tee hee hee 
>>>  
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 

[RBW] WTB: Flat bar brake lever for small rider’s road bike

[Eric M Cardella]

Seeking a flat bar brake lever *in black* that meets the following criteria:
Short pull, for use with TRP Spyre brake
Suitable for small hands, with adjustable reach
All black
My local shop had a set of Shimano Claris levers in a silver-ish finish (was it 
called “anthracite” at some point?) For purely aesthetic reasons, the rider 
seeks something all black.

Please share for sale items or recommendations (preferably with links). I have 
several sets of long pull levers (Clarks, Tektro/Avid) and several sets of 
short pull *drop bar* levers (Tektro, TRP, Shimano) but nothing that hits the 
sweet spot. Trades are an option!

Eric

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Re: [RBW] Opinions on hanging style bike rack for cars

[greenteadrinkers]

I've been using a Saris bones I picked up off CL like 12 years ago, it's 
still going strong. It's the only rack I've ever used, so my perspective is 
limited. I drive two bikes from Western MA to S. FL through some nasty 
weather and pothole-ridden roadways this past January using the Saris, no 
issues, very solid platform. Just recheck the straps after driving your 
first 10 or so miles, things loosen a touch in those first few miles.
Scott

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:54:14 AM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I owned a Thule Aero Helium for a while. It did the job but I didn’t 
> really care for it. I have a lot of weird bikes so the fact that the rack 
> holds the bikes by the seat and top tubes didn’t work well for some bikes. 
> I tried the top tube adapter they make but that wasn’t that great of a 
> solution. 
>
> I prefer racks that secure bikes by grabbing the wheels so I now have a 
> 1Up hitch rack. Even that can be a slight pain when transporting a bike 
> with radically different wheel size than the last bike that was transported.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Sean B.  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have experience with these types of car racks? I recently 
> purchased one, but am now seeing a lot of negative opinions on them. 
> Worried about damaging my girlfriend and I's Rivs. I went to a local Rack 
> Attack store and they suggested the Thule Helium Pro 3. I shouldn't have 
> trusted them as the reviews do not look great. Then again, should I trust 
> online reviews? Hence why I wanted to ask the good people here.
>
> Thanks!
>
>   
>
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[RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[Bill Schairer]

 

Retired now but bike commuted off and on for years in different cities/jobs 
etc.  It wasn’t until I retired that I learned how to ride recreationally.  
My approach was this:



   1. Figure out what route I would be riding and then ride it a few times 
   on off days and refine if possible/necessary.  Get comfortable with where 
   the bike will be during the day. 
   2. My jobs were generally suit and tie.  I kept as much as possible of 
   my work outfit at work.  If riding say 4 days per week, use day 5 for 
   swapping out supplies as necessary. 
   3. Only one job had a shower.  Others, got there early (also allowed for 
   rare mechanical, flat), cooled down at desk then sponge bathed and changed 
   in bathroom stall. 
   4. My experience was that anything under about 10 miles each way was 
   ideal in that it really didn’t add that much time to my commute and any 
   that it did counted as recreation/exercise so all was good. 
   5. Took me about two weeks to adapt.  First two weeks were a chore 
   adapting to traffic (and it adapting to you), getting my routine down, body 
   adjusting, getting in the mental mode that the bike is how I get to and 
   from work, no choice - within certain parameters,.  After that break in 
   period, the routine was easy and the commute a joy. I started each day as a 
   kid and didn't have to convert to adult mode until I was at work. It gets 
   easier and easier. 
   6. A positive I don’t see mentioned often is how predictable the commute 
   is.  I knew how long it would take me and very little could change that.  
   With a bike it is so much easier to adapt to construction, traffic 
   situations etc. 
   7. The more regular I was on what time I rode and where I rode, the more 
   considerate my fellow commuters were of me.  They were used to seeing me 
   and willing to accomodate me.  They knew I wasn’t a recreational rider 
   getting in their way but just another person getting to work.  Vary my 
   departure time by as little as 5 or 10 minutes and the new set of commuters 
   might be a little less forgiving.  I strongly believe considering myself as 
   any other vehicle and asserting my right to the road as well as obeying all 
   the traffic laws are important in gaining the respect of one’s fellow 
   commuters. 
   8. I suppose it can vary from commute to commute but I sometimes 
   preferred heavier traffic.  Speed differential is smaller, more protection 
   in intersections, and riding by bumper to bumper traffic is always a joy! 
   9. Fellow workers/friends/family may think you are weird but have 
   grudging respect.
   10.  Having a backup bike is nice. 

Bill S
San Diego
(commutes have been in LA, El Cerrito-Oakland, Concord-Walnut Creek, St 
Louis, San Diego)

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Hi, Doug.
>
> My three month bike commute is two miles each way and it's the best way to 
> start the day and to clear my mind at the end of the day.  I was so 
> frazzled driving on the highway to our former office.
>
> I want my commute to be pleasant no matter the method, so I'm not 100% 
> riding, but it's close.  If it's below 30* or raining, I'll walk or 
> walk/bus. I also watch the weather, so if it's going to rain about the time 
> I leave, I'll leave early or late.  Or, I'll leave my bike at the office 
> and walk/bus home. I'm lucky that I have options.   I'm also lucky that I 
> can bring my bike into my office.  I leave work pants and shoes at the 
> office during the week and change them at work.  Also, although no route is 
> 100% safe for me, I try to ride on roads with bike lanes or on less 
> traveled roads if no bike specific lanes are available.  There are a lot of 
> reflectors and lights on my bike and me (I wear a good reflector vest).  I 
> need to start taking a lock, too, so if I want to stop somewhere on the way 
> home, I can.
>
> I settled on a single pannier.  It's plenty big for everything I carry.  
> Even though it does take up more space, I put my container-ed lunch in an 
> insulated sealable lunch bag, protecting my other items in case of a 
> container leak. 
>
> Now that days are longer and warmer after work, my plan (haven't done it 
> yet) is to ride right to the MUP after work for another 10 miles.  
>
> No matter biking, walking or walking/bus combo, it's all better than 
> driving in traffic.  I also feel better and am sleeping a bit better.
>
> Keep us informed!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:41:39 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I rode today and noticed the quietness of my Clem. The friction shifting 
>> is almost noiseless and the Silver2 shifter is perfect. The front shifter 
>> is the clickety Sun Race that works just fine but does make noise. After a 
>> somewhat stressful day at work the ride was just what I needed. I have 
>> considered commuting but haven't taken the plunge yet. My commute would be 
>> 50 minutes and about 9 miles each way I 

Re: [RBW] Wacky Spring Weather

[Ryan]

Our 3rd Colorado low in 18 days in Winnipeg,MB...but if the creek don't 
rise ...temps in the teens (Celsius) ,sunny and dry next week. Here's hoping

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:58:31 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> New England has been mostly cold, not cool but cold.  I sure hope may 
> improves the temps.  
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:11:08 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Nope.  Here in NE Illinois (unfortunately).  And neither MBL team is 
>> doing well this season so far.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:50:09 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Michigan? And how do you know Chuck Nagy! And yes, ridiculously cold 
>>> here in Toledo.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2022, at 2:08 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> By the end of April one would expect better weather than what we're 
>>> having here in the Midwest, at least along the 42 degree latitude.  Last 
>>> year April was much warmer and dryer, but alas here we are in a very slow 
>>> start to Spring.  Depressing, kinda.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Ryan Frahm]

Sounds like you might have too many choices when the time comes to assemble 
it! I picked up a tallux stem but then the new faceplate stems came out so 
I grabbed one of those. Still only have a Bosco to try out so far. I just 
went a bit crazy And got some White Industries cranks to match my Rich 
built WI/Cliffhanger wheelset. Might even have a Garbaruk cassette on order 
because I’m an evil 1X fan… It has been easy for me to spend more on the 
upcoming Susie since I haven’t bought anything for my current bike the 
whole time!

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 11:14:17 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> I have had too long to think about my build. I now have 3 handlebars and 2 
> stems to choose from. Like, four? colours of brake cable and 7 colours of 
> bar tape and I'm going crazy right here.
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

LIC would work for me. $100 per month per person? I'd prob be willing to go 
higher depending on the space, how many other people join, etc. 

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:54:16 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> I appreciate all leads and ideas. On the listings project, mentioned 
> above, there are some spaces in LIC, an area I hadn't thought about.
> This may be an unreasonable question right now, until we have something 
> specific to consider, but does anyone have an idea of how much they would 
> be able/willing to contribute to this? It might help in limiting the 
> options. VERY rough ballpark figure, of course, with no obligations at all.
> Alan
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:09:42 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> There's this- https://bikecoop.nyc/ but it lacks the home base feel that 
>> would be nice in a rental. Much cheaper though...
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love that 
>>> name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from various eras.
>>> To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental space to 
>>> set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming overrun with stuff. 
>>> Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy access via bike. 
>>> I'm envisioning a bike shop like atmosphere, work bench with vise (Yeh), 
>>> shared tools and spare parts. Small frig with libations, used couch for a 
>>> nap, etc.
>>>
>>> Anyone else have this pipe dream? Or a lead on some space?
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> UWS
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>>
  (sorry if this is a double send).  

 hey all,

 i'm sad to miss this get together, sounds like there is a decent 
 number!   as far as organizing, i'd propose a sheet like this 
 ,
  
 where people can add their names and links to parts swap, etc. we can also 
 use it as a shared calendar for activities.

 if you wanna test it, here's the link to the form 
 
 On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:41:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> I'm in for the meetup, looking forward to it!
>
> -Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:04:46 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>
>> Might be a little late, coming from the dentist, hopefully not numb, 
>> maybe with drop bars...
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:27:46 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> Good Morning All,
>>> I'm hoping that tomorrow will be better for some of you, at least. I 
>>> suggest meeting at the Spritzen House, 33 Nassau st, Greenpoint, around 
>>> 5-6 
>>> pm. Not sure where a good ride would be in late afternoon NYC traffic, 
>>> but 
>>> we can discuss ideas for future rides depending on when folks are 
>>> available. I'm thinking tomorrow as meet and greet thing...the beer and 
>>> sausage selection is excellent. 
>>> I also think it would be fun to bring a list, written or mental, of 
>>> parts/bikes wanting to sell/exchange/give away/etc. We all have stuff 
>>> lying 
>>> around waiting for a better life. For me, its drop bars.
>>>
>>> Let's see a show of hands!
>>>
>>> Alan UWS
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 11:55:55 AM UTC-4 
>>> jakob.b...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Brooklyn Riv riders. I just moved here from San Francisco 3 
 weeks ago, game for some rides! Looks like one is in the works next 
 Wednesday, 27th? 

 Cheers,
 Jake/ Mustard Clem H/ Crown Heights

 On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 7:18:42 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> Sure, we can do later on Wednesday. The last meetup was about 3 
> years ago, I think. Maybe more. We were just a handful, and in fact 
> I’ve 
> bought and sold a few small items with a couple of them…don’t me ask 
> names! 
> We could each bring a mental list of things we want to either buy or 
> sell, 
> could be fun.
>
> Working on the Cheviot. See you next week! Come one come all.
> Alan
>
> On Apr 20, 2022, at 11:11 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Currently in Beantown, next Wednesday may work, but I’m coming 
> from Uptown. 6pm? Brown bags at the top of the Williamsburg Bridge? 
> Alan, what year was the last beerhall meet up? Sunnyside Chris was 
> there on a righteous Bruce Gordon if I recall.. Maybe I can get my 
> new old 
> Ram rolling, and Alan, bring the new 

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Discussion on Reddit

[Igor]

This whole playlist is nice, actually 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TRV_IycEfY=PLV6B9dYFPh0J2jT-E3LIgu3WnEfamf17g

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> I prefer working with Honjo undrilled fenders over any other. Need a lot 
> of patience and some good tooling. If that is not something one is into, 
> yes VO are better.
>
> Here's a great video of CS Hirose installing fenders that helps :) 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xbveQQHo00
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-4 brettjc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Nobody asked, but here's my somtwo cents: VO metal fenders are much 
>> easier to install **well** than the SKS plastic ones.  They're predrilled, 
>> so you only need basic tools like allen wrenches and a little bit of 
>> patience (maybe a drill if you're going to directly mount to a rando rack, 
>> too). Once they're installed, they stay in place much better than the SKS. 
>> The stays are thick enough that if they get whacked, they're unlikely to 
>> bend.   With many metal fenders, you can gently reradius them for a better 
>> fender line.  Installing metal fenders stays from VO and similar brands 
>> requires you to cut or dremel the fender stay, so four cuts. VO helpfully 
>> includes both a bracket and daruma for mounting to a variety of frames. 
>> Once they're on the bike, VO fenders tend to stay in place and seem to have 
>> a nice fender line.   
>>
>> SKS fenders have fiddly stays, which I'm constantly finding get bent out 
>> of shape.  The fenders have an arc that can't be altered, so you'd better 
>> hope it fits the tire (or not be concerned with frivolity like fender line, 
>> but hey, I am).  The stays, if they require cutting, have more metal to cut 
>> and it's flimsy. Once cut, you've also got sharp ends facing your legs, 
>> which SKS helpfully provides little rubber thingees to cover. These are a 
>> total PITA to mount in my experience. Once on a bike, I find that they are 
>> easy to knock out of alignment. There are positives: SKS fenders are pretty 
>> minimal, so can be squeezed onto a bike well. They do have the nice QR 
>> feature when something gets jammed between fender and tire. However,  if 
>> you're worried about a QR system, Portland Design Works sells a quick 
>> release tab that I put on bikes with knobby tires and metal fenders for 
>> safety. 
>>
>> The real challenge, IMHO, are the Sim Works and Honjo (maybe redundant, 
>> as Honjo makes the SW models?) versions that are completely  undrilled. You 
>> get infinite options for mounting and infinite chance to err. I call these 
>> six pack fenders, and they generally take a day to install. They generally 
>> look fantastic. 
>>
>> Anyway, Rivendell and other manufacturers that include plenty of space 
>> and provisions for fender mounting are the best, and we should all buy 
>> their bikes!
>>
>> Brett in pdx
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   SKS fenders may be easy-er than nothing to install for someone like a 
>>> bike shop looking for a path of least resistance, but sheesh  they look 
>>> awful. I have some Bluemel P50's on my Bombadil. Frankly, any fender can be 
>>> a challenge to install so I'd rather have some metal ones that look like 
>>> they belong on the bike if I'm going to have anything on there. 
>>>
>>>  As Patrick pointed out though, regular SKS fenders are much too short 
>>> in length, and they doesn't make longboard styles for the larger 700c 
>>> fenders. They do sell x-long flaps as add-ons, but it's an add-on that 
>>> would be better served as being included. SKS is wildly inconsistent in 
>>> their fender offerings. 
>>>
>>>   I ordered some 63mm VO fenders for more coverage and they look nice. 
>>> I'll likely have to move the front stay down because it looks like they 
>>> drill it for right where the toes would come closest to the fenders and the 
>>> bolts stick out. I like the way Berthoud does their stays though as they 
>>> are flattened at the bend. 
>>>
>>>   I read that the Portland Design Works safety tabs work for VO stays. 
>>> Again, it would be nice to have them as standard on the VO. I really 
>>> dislike buying new stuff and then needing to change something about it.
>>>
>>>   The funny thing is most of the times I've been caught in rainstorms 
>>> have been on my 1999 custom Franklin that has no fenders. I used to rain 
>>> ride for hours in Minnesota back in the day with no fenders , nor would 
>>> they have fit on a racing bike.
>>>
>>>   I was out riding today in cold and wind and felt like crap. Then I 
>>> thought of Mike the Mailman riding all those hard miles on his whatever 
>>> bike he had. So I let go all silly ideas of obligations and rode on, broke 
>>> out in songs of appreciation  and just enjoyed everything about it. 
>>>
>>>  The Secret to Life is that there is no Secret to Life. tee hee hee 
>>>  
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:39:35 PM 

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Discussion on Reddit

[Igor]

I prefer working with Honjo undrilled fenders over any other. Need a lot of 
patience and some good tooling. If that is not something one is into, yes 
VO are better.

Here's a great video of CS Hirose installing fenders that helps :) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xbveQQHo00

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-4 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nobody asked, but here's my somtwo cents: VO metal fenders are much easier 
> to install **well** than the SKS plastic ones.  They're predrilled, so you 
> only need basic tools like allen wrenches and a little bit of patience 
> (maybe a drill if you're going to directly mount to a rando rack, too). 
> Once they're installed, they stay in place much better than the SKS. The 
> stays are thick enough that if they get whacked, they're unlikely to 
> bend.   With many metal fenders, you can gently reradius them for a better 
> fender line.  Installing metal fenders stays from VO and similar brands 
> requires you to cut or dremel the fender stay, so four cuts. VO helpfully 
> includes both a bracket and daruma for mounting to a variety of frames. 
> Once they're on the bike, VO fenders tend to stay in place and seem to have 
> a nice fender line.   
>
> SKS fenders have fiddly stays, which I'm constantly finding get bent out 
> of shape.  The fenders have an arc that can't be altered, so you'd better 
> hope it fits the tire (or not be concerned with frivolity like fender line, 
> but hey, I am).  The stays, if they require cutting, have more metal to cut 
> and it's flimsy. Once cut, you've also got sharp ends facing your legs, 
> which SKS helpfully provides little rubber thingees to cover. These are a 
> total PITA to mount in my experience. Once on a bike, I find that they are 
> easy to knock out of alignment. There are positives: SKS fenders are pretty 
> minimal, so can be squeezed onto a bike well. They do have the nice QR 
> feature when something gets jammed between fender and tire. However,  if 
> you're worried about a QR system, Portland Design Works sells a quick 
> release tab that I put on bikes with knobby tires and metal fenders for 
> safety. 
>
> The real challenge, IMHO, are the Sim Works and Honjo (maybe redundant, as 
> Honjo makes the SW models?) versions that are completely  undrilled. You 
> get infinite options for mounting and infinite chance to err. I call these 
> six pack fenders, and they generally take a day to install. They generally 
> look fantastic. 
>
> Anyway, Rivendell and other manufacturers that include plenty of space and 
> provisions for fender mounting are the best, and we should all buy their 
> bikes!
>
> Brett in pdx
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   SKS fenders may be easy-er than nothing to install for someone like a 
>> bike shop looking for a path of least resistance, but sheesh  they look 
>> awful. I have some Bluemel P50's on my Bombadil. Frankly, any fender can be 
>> a challenge to install so I'd rather have some metal ones that look like 
>> they belong on the bike if I'm going to have anything on there. 
>>
>>  As Patrick pointed out though, regular SKS fenders are much too short in 
>> length, and they doesn't make longboard styles for the larger 700c fenders. 
>> They do sell x-long flaps as add-ons, but it's an add-on that would be 
>> better served as being included. SKS is wildly inconsistent in their fender 
>> offerings. 
>>
>>   I ordered some 63mm VO fenders for more coverage and they look nice. 
>> I'll likely have to move the front stay down because it looks like they 
>> drill it for right where the toes would come closest to the fenders and the 
>> bolts stick out. I like the way Berthoud does their stays though as they 
>> are flattened at the bend. 
>>
>>   I read that the Portland Design Works safety tabs work for VO stays. 
>> Again, it would be nice to have them as standard on the VO. I really 
>> dislike buying new stuff and then needing to change something about it.
>>
>>   The funny thing is most of the times I've been caught in rainstorms 
>> have been on my 1999 custom Franklin that has no fenders. I used to rain 
>> ride for hours in Minnesota back in the day with no fenders , nor would 
>> they have fit on a racing bike.
>>
>>   I was out riding today in cold and wind and felt like crap. Then I 
>> thought of Mike the Mailman riding all those hard miles on his whatever 
>> bike he had. So I let go all silly ideas of obligations and rode on, broke 
>> out in songs of appreciation  and just enjoyed everything about it. 
>>
>>  The Secret to Life is that there is no Secret to Life. tee hee hee 
>>  
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:39:35 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Just for the record, and not trying to change anyone's mind: I've used 
>>> most major brands, extant and defunct, of plastic fenders, and many makes 
>>> of metal fenders, aluminum and stainless steel. 
>>>
>>> Good plastic ones -- SKS, 

Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[alan lavine]

I appreciate all leads and ideas. On the listings project, mentioned above, 
there are some spaces in LIC, an area I hadn't thought about.
This may be an unreasonable question right now, until we have something 
specific to consider, but does anyone have an idea of how much they would 
be able/willing to contribute to this? It might help in limiting the 
options. VERY rough ballpark figure, of course, with no obligations at all.
Alan

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:09:42 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> There's this- https://bikecoop.nyc/ but it lacks the home base feel that 
> would be nice in a rental. Much cheaper though...
> -Kai
>
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love that 
>> name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from various eras.
>> To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental space to 
>> set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming overrun with stuff. 
>> Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy access via bike. 
>> I'm envisioning a bike shop like atmosphere, work bench with vise (Yeh), 
>> shared tools and spare parts. Small frig with libations, used couch for a 
>> nap, etc.
>>
>> Anyone else have this pipe dream? Or a lead on some space?
>>
>> Alan
>> UWS
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>
>>>  (sorry if this is a double send).  
>>>
>>> hey all,
>>>
>>> i'm sad to miss this get together, sounds like there is a decent 
>>> number!   as far as organizing, i'd propose a sheet like this 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> where people can add their names and links to parts swap, etc. we can also 
>>> use it as a shared calendar for activities.
>>>
>>> if you wanna test it, here's the link to the form 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:41:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 I'm in for the meetup, looking forward to it!

 -Stephen

 On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:04:46 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
 wrote:

> Might be a little late, coming from the dentist, hopefully not numb, 
> maybe with drop bars...
> -Kai
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:27:46 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> Good Morning All,
>> I'm hoping that tomorrow will be better for some of you, at least. I 
>> suggest meeting at the Spritzen House, 33 Nassau st, Greenpoint, around 
>> 5-6 
>> pm. Not sure where a good ride would be in late afternoon NYC traffic, 
>> but 
>> we can discuss ideas for future rides depending on when folks are 
>> available. I'm thinking tomorrow as meet and greet thing...the beer and 
>> sausage selection is excellent. 
>> I also think it would be fun to bring a list, written or mental, of 
>> parts/bikes wanting to sell/exchange/give away/etc. We all have stuff 
>> lying 
>> around waiting for a better life. For me, its drop bars.
>>
>> Let's see a show of hands!
>>
>> Alan UWS
>>
>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 11:55:55 AM UTC-4 jakob.b...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brooklyn Riv riders. I just moved here from San Francisco 3 weeks 
>>> ago, game for some rides! Looks like one is in the works next 
>>> Wednesday, 
>>> 27th? 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jake/ Mustard Clem H/ Crown Heights
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 7:18:42 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 Sure, we can do later on Wednesday. The last meetup was about 3 
 years ago, I think. Maybe more. We were just a handful, and in fact 
 I’ve 
 bought and sold a few small items with a couple of them…don’t me ask 
 names! 
 We could each bring a mental list of things we want to either buy or 
 sell, 
 could be fun.

 Working on the Cheviot. See you next week! Come one come all.
 Alan

 On Apr 20, 2022, at 11:11 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
 kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:


 Currently in Beantown, next Wednesday may work, but I’m coming from 
 Uptown. 6pm? Brown bags at the top of the Williamsburg Bridge? 
 Alan, what year was the last beerhall meet up? Sunnyside Chris was 
 there on a righteous Bruce Gordon if I recall.. Maybe I can get my new 
 old 
 Ram rolling, and Alan, bring the new Cheviot? 
 -Kai
 On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:30:13 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> Yeah, sorry for the short notice, but I’m in the area anyway on 
> Wednesdays so I thought I’d ask.
> Let’s all think about next Wednesday.
>
> Sent from my iPhone

[RBW] Re: It might be even nicer on a Rivendell: 1975 news feature film on bicycle postman in rural Ireland

[brendonoid]

When I first started as a bicycle postie I had a single speed and the 
hilliest run in the office. Fittest year of my life. Really great job 
though.

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[RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[brendonoid]

I have had too long to think about my build. I now have 3 handlebars and 2 
stems to choose from. Like, four? colours of brake cable and 7 colours of 
bar tape and I'm going crazy right here.

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