[RBW] Re: All Time Best Paint Color

[Evan E.]

Rambouillet orange with the pearlescent gold sheen. (Honorable mention for 
Atlantis and for Rivendell blue.)

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Re: [RBW] All Time Best Paint Color

[Ryan]

Agreed...that is a great color

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 8:17:14 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The classic butternut color...or whatever it was called. The best
>
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/87319050249/www-rivbike-com-in-for-a-new-set-of-brakepads-and
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 8:55:58 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> For me it's gotta be the few raw frames they did with clear powder coat. 
>> A Glorious and Bombadill come to mind. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 8:19:56 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My top three might be: lime olive, dark gold, Riv blue. Probably in that 
>>> order.
>>>
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:00 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> Almost too much to think about but, the original Atlantis is the most 
>>> iconic Riv color? I am partial to several of the “greenish” bikes including 
>>> the dark green early Clems, the later bronzey green ones & the current lime 
>>> olive. That said, the purple Rosco Platy rocks. Too hard!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and am curious of the 
>>> bunch's thoughts (opinions).
>>>
>>> *What is the best factory Rivendell paint color to date?*
>>>
>>> Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 'em.
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 47-49cm Saluki or Bleriot

[J S]

I’d have no problem with a Bleriot or Saluki.  I have a Saluki now and had
a Bleriot for many years.  They ride is very similar but I prefer the
Saluki. Get whichever one pops up and both, in my size, fit 42mm tires
easily.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 7:11 PM Brian Morris  wrote:

> Hi guys-  Thanks for your inputs. Appreciate it!
>
> As from what I know, there’s 47cm Saluki Prototype (small batch hence rare
> to score) that runs on 650b wheels.  I have a 650b wheelset that I want to
> use along with 42mm tires. Hence why I prefer a 650b Riv frameset. I’m
> currently riding extra small Rawland fixed gear frameset. I used to live in
> Bay Area so I’m pretty familiarized with Rivendell and Jitensha Studio as
> well (their Ebisu frame set is gorgeous!)  I’ve rode someone’s Bleriot once
> long time ago when I lived in DC area and it was 49cm along with 650b X
> 33mm tires (tires was relatively new & popular size by then) It was
> comfortable ride.
>
> As I stated, it’s fat chance I’d find a used Riv in small sizes anyway.
> I’m hoping to score one so I can join club rides in my area. It doesn’t
> hurt to ask around. Feel free to contact me directly as well.
>
> Ride hard!
> Brian
> Wilmington NC.
>
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 10:20:22 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don’t trust listed standover height.  I would ask owners to measure and
>> ask what tires they have on.  My 51cm Hillborne is about 30.5 inches, a bit
>> over 75cm.  My 54cm Saluki which is at the shop presently is about the
>> same. My 55cm Bleriot was about 31” standover. Of course these measurement
>> were taken with a tape measure and are not 100% accurate.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:01:46 AM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> The 50 cm Saluki is 75.0 while the Bleriot 49 cm is 75.1 for stand over
>>> So if a 49cm Bleriot would work, so will a 50 cm Saluki.  Just hives you
>>> one more option.
>>> The 50 cm Rambouillet would also work (74.2 stand over) , but it has 559
>>> wheels, not 584 as you expressed a preference for. It will also accept 571
>>> wheels, should you want to experiment with that.
>>>
>>> Nice bikes, all. Hope you find one you like.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:16:23 PM UTC-5 Brian Morris wrote:
>>>
 Hi- I'm on a quest to find 47cm Saluki or 49cm Bleriot frame set out
 there...My PBH is 75cm. preferably old geometry & 650B set up.  I know it
 is fat chance to find one out there, especially small sizes. Hit me up if
 you know anyone who may have one for sale.

 Thanks,
 Brian M
 Wilmington NC

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Re: [RBW] All Time Best Paint Color

[Johnny Alien]

The classic butternut color...or whatever it was called. The best

https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/87319050249/www-rivbike-com-in-for-a-new-set-of-brakepads-and

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 8:55:58 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> For me it's gotta be the few raw frames they did with clear powder coat. A 
> Glorious and Bombadill come to mind. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 8:19:56 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My top three might be: lime olive, dark gold, Riv blue. Probably in that 
>> order.
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:00 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Almost too much to think about but, the original Atlantis is the most 
>> iconic Riv color? I am partial to several of the “greenish” bikes including 
>> the dark green early Clems, the later bronzey green ones & the current lime 
>> olive. That said, the purple Rosco Platy rocks. Too hard!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and am curious of the 
>> bunch's thoughts (opinions).
>>
>> *What is the best factory Rivendell paint color to date?*
>>
>> Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 'em.
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[RBW] Re: Doldrums

[George Schick]

I blame the "pandemic" lockdown a couple of years ago for much of this 
disinterest, not just in cycling, but in much of anything at all.  We've 
moved beyond that now, but there is still a lingering hesitance to do 
anything much. I rode a reasonable number of miles last year, but during 
2022 the numbers dialed down to next to nothing.  Some of this had to do 
with pressures associated with yard and landscaping maintenance - as soon 
as the weather became hospitable back in May I had to spread 10+ yards of 
mulch over all the flower beds and it seemed like that type of activity 
continued on into the Summer months and the cycling miles dwindled down to 
next to nothing.  And so it goes...


On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward 
> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and 
> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a chore. 
> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet 
> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve 
> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others 
> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work 
> through it.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] All Time Best Paint Color

[jonrich55]

The Ram orange, Original Atlantis are my top 2 
 Original message From: Brian Turner  
Date: 9/7/22  8:20 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RBW] All Time Best Paint Color My top three might be: lime olive, 
dark gold, Riv blue. Probably in that order.On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:00 PM, Richard 
Rose  wrote:Almost too much to think about but, the 
original Atlantis is the most iconic Riv color? I am partial to several of the 
“greenish” bikes including the dark green early Clems, the later bronzey green 
ones & the current lime olive. That said, the purple Rosco Platy rocks. Too 
hard!Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 7, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Keith P. 
 wrote:I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and 
am curious of the bunch's thoughts (opinions).What is the best factory 
Rivendell paint color to date?Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 
'em.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne Frameset

[Lance Terry]

Hi everyone. The local sale isn't happening so the frame is still 
available. 
Thanks 

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 3:17:38 PM UTC-6 Lance Terry wrote:

> Local sale pending.
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 10:23:10 AM UTC-6 Lance Terry wrote:
>
>> Almost new, only built up about 4 months ago. I'd like to build up a 
>> Rosco so something has to go. This is a great riding frame, but a little 
>> too similar to some of my other bikes. There are 2 paint chips to note, 
>> otherwise pretty much perfect. One on the top tube and one on the rear 
>> brake bridge. I'd like to get $1200 plus shipping for frame, fork, headset, 
>> BB, but open to an offer. I also have a Thomson seat post in silver plus 
>> the Nitto noodles with a 50cm Tallux shown, for a bit more if you have any 
>> interest. Shipped from the Denver area or picked up locally . Thanks
>> [image: IMG_0860 Small.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_0864 Small.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for starting this thread, Jay. I had considered voicing some similar 
feelings but never started a thread. 

As far as my riding goes, I do anything I can by bike. I can get pretty 
much everything done in less than six miles, round trip. Most errands under 
two miles. I work from home but with groceries, post office, job site 
visits, stopping by the office, I'm riding every day, often four or five 
trips. 

I do road rides throughout the week and average about 100 miles per week. 
Longer rides on the weekends out in the mountains if I can find the time 
(more on this below). 

The things I feel keep me from riding more: Oppressive heat and humidity; 
not great riding from my door; better riding being a long drive from home; 
not having other people to ride with. 

I'm in Virginia. By August I am throughly exhausted by the weather. We've 
had some nice bits here and there but the overall heat and humidity 
situation seems to never end. Until it does! 

The riding from my front door is not great. Lots of stroads and highways 
and it takes some work to get out to where the riding is better and the 
traffic is more calm. I'm limited in where I feel safe riding and going the 
same routes over and over gets a bit tiresome. I'm not interested in doing 
dozens of miles on the shoulder of a two-lane road where the posted speed 
is 45 mph. We have some multi-use paths that are separated from car traffic 
but they add up to less than six miles and they're pretty dinky. 

I ride solo functionally 100% of the time. It seems having a riding partner 
or group would make it a lot more fun and easier to get out the door. 

The riding that I love (on quiet roads in the foothills of the mountains) 
requires at *least *three hours of driving to access and doing a 35 or 50 
mile ride takes up the entire day. 

I've often thought that if there were better roads around me I'd ride a lot 
more!

I think aeroperf's suggestion to read about riding is a great one. I 
recently read Ray Hosler's Once Upon a Ride (thanks again for the rec, 
Rich!) and that was fun and inspiring. Reading Bicycle Quarterly and old 
Readers is pretty fun and inspiring, too. 

Whenever I really don't feel like riding and I force myself to go I am 
*always* glad that I did. Sometimes it's hard to keep that in mind and 
sometimes I forget and talk myself out of it. But for me, riding is almost 
always the right choice. 
On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 7:10:26 PM UTC-4 Scott wrote:

> Jay:
>
> I must say I found comfort in you sharing your state of doldrums. It's 
> comforting knowing I'm not alone. I'm 53 and have been in same state for a 
> few years now. It's unsettling. I have to really push to scare-up desire 
> and passion towards hobbies/adventures that used to be abundant and readily 
> available. I develop levels of self-frustration because I'm largely a 
> content, happy person. That is to say, I have much to be thankful for and 
> don't struggle to make ends meet. Before this spell I always found joy in 
> the contagious nature of my enthusiasm towards my recreational activities. 
> Where it went exactly, I don't know. Simply said, I'm not a depressive 
> person, so it's not that. I'm a productive person. It's just that I've 
> noticed I have more of a "chore" view towards considering new adventures. I 
> look back at the level of effort and enthusiasm I used to put forth into 
> planning, prepping for, and successfully completing adventures and it tires 
> me out.
>
> For me, I think it's a phase in life thing: kids moving on to start their 
> own lives, career, monotony, etc.
> Again, I've had a great life: much to be grateful and thankful for. I 
> resigned from a long-held position 4 months ago and have been intentionally 
> unemployed since, taking some time to refocus. I find the enthusiasm and 
> passion cups gradually refilling.
>
> Anyways, I don't want to ramble on. But I felt compelled to reply. You're 
> not alone. It's a life philosophy tour. For me it's a lot about the 
> unsettled phase in life I find myself in and locating the desire/courage to 
> MAKE change in the interest of destroying monotony.
>
> I never regret partaking in my hobbies: gravel rides, dirt biking, wing 
> shooting. I just get frustrated being the impediment to doing same.
>
> Over the past few months, I get the feeling it's beginning pass, which is 
> welcome.
>
> Best of luck my friend! Everyone has to deeply consider their own sources 
> and solutions. Force yourself to do what you KNOW you love. Recognition is 
> a great start! I'm getting better at conquering myself.
>
> Best,
>
> Scott in Montana 
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 11:52:57 AM MDT, Jay Lonner <
> jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward 
> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and 
> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a chore. 
> Part of this is seasonal — I have 

Re: [RBW] All Time Best Paint Color

[Brian Turner]

My top three might be: lime olive, dark gold, Riv blue. Probably in that order.

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:00 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> Almost too much to think about but, the original Atlantis is the most iconic 
> Riv color? I am partial to several of the “greenish” bikes including the dark 
> green early Clems, the later bronzey green ones & the current lime olive. 
> That said, the purple Rosco Platy rocks. Too hard!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and am curious of the bunch's 
>> thoughts (opinions).
>> 
>> What is the best factory Rivendell paint color to date?
>> 
>> Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 'em.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Artsy Pics of Your Riv's

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[RBW] FS - wheels/rims

[Bill Schairer]

I have several 700C wheels I would like to move along.  These are available 
because I've converted all my 700C bikes to tubulars not because the wheels 
are old, worn out stuff I'm trying to unload.

First set is a budget build I did for a backup bike using new Shimano Deore 
HB-M510 and FH-M510 hubs laced to new CR18 36h rims using Wheelsmith 2.0 ss 
spokes.  The front wheel probably has about 1,000 miles on it of which 
about 400 were on my fully loaded Atlantis on the GDMR.  The wheel did 
well.  The rear probably has about half the miles but I'm not sure. It was 
not used on GDMBR.  I re-spaced it from 130 OLD to 137.5 as it was a 
placeholder on a tandem for a short while (never ridden that way).  I think 
it has only been ridden as 130 OLD.  I don't know, $30 each?

I also have a completely no-name rear wheel with a sticker on it that says 
for disc brake use only even though the rim has a machined brake surface.  
I purchased this wheel in Jasper and rode it 2200 HEAVILY loaded miles to 
Denali NP on my Atlantis this summer.  It has 36 spokes and a 135 OLD.  Hub 
can accept a disc.  I rode it with rim brakes.  By the time I got home the 
bearings were a bit tight.  I readjusted them and the wheel spins OK.  
Oops, looks like the rim has WIU dx18 sticker on it??  I'm sure it was 
machine built but it did the job and is quite true. Another $30?

Complete oddball is a front tandem wheel with Sansin sealed bearing hub 
laced with 48 spokes to a 27x1.125 Ukai rim.  The bearings are very rough.  
I'm not expecting to find a home for it but who knows.  If someone has a 
use for it as a wheel, just take it off my hands, otherwise, I'll 
disassemble it myself for the spokes.  I also have a matching 48h rim not 
laced to anything.

Rims:

700C 23/17 32h with a Rich Lesnik sticker on it.  Velocity?  It is from the 
front wheel of my Atlantis and replaced with a tubular rim, not because 
there was anything wrong with it.  I don't know how many thousands of miles 
on it but it has life in my opinion.  $25?

700C 20/13 36h Mavic.  Old rim but has some life. $10 or freebie if buying 
something else?

700C 20/15 36h Mavic Elite.  Relatively new, nice rim.  I should think 
under 5,000 miles on it.  Again, retired because of conversion. $40.

700C Velocity Dyad 40h.  Approximately 400 tandem miles.

27" Velocity Twin Hollow (Australia) 32 rim.  I think this was laced to a 
dynamo hub on a CL bike that I bought for the lighting system.  FREE

Mostly I am trying to show my wife I'm trying to de-clutter so talk to me.  
These are too nice to just put in the trash and it seems co-ops only want 
money not bikes or parts??

I'm in San Diego.  I"m not excited about the thought of shipping but...

Bill S 
San Diego


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Re: [RBW] All Time Best Paint Color

[Richard Rose]

Almost too much to think about but, the original Atlantis is the most iconic 
Riv color? I am partial to several of the “greenish” bikes including the dark 
green early Clems, the later bronzey green ones & the current lime olive. That 
said, the purple Rosco Platy rocks. Too hard!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and am curious of the bunch's 
> thoughts (opinions).
> 
> What is the best factory Rivendell paint color to date?
> 
> Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 'em.
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[RBW] Re: I'm curious about the very early, blue Bombadil prototype

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Never actually saw that bike blue bike in person.That was definitely an 
early proto. The photo was in DirtRag Mag (print version), so you know 
there was a delay for printing.

The specifics definitely changed from that. IIRC, the bike had 
fundamentally changed even before that article ran.

This has 2 sizes of the the clear coat version 
- http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc452-bombadilproto0208.html
A 52 and a 60 from February 2008 at RBWHQ - I think that was pretty close 
to the dimensions in the one you shared. It did have the single top tube, 
which was changed before production. 

This early aught-nine version (with swept-back bars, mind you...) had the 
2TT.
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc626-martygierke0309.html

Gino was riding a proto in 2008 which had the 2TT
http://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html

J

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 6:22:27 PM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> I think the only images I've seen of the blue Bombadil prototype is from 
> an article posted on the Cyclofiend website.  
>
> Does anyone here own that bike?  Anyone know what size it was (52cm, 56cm, 
> other???)
>
> Was it the same basic geometry as the clear coated bikes?  
>
> [image: Bombadil.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: WTB 47-49cm Saluki or Bleriot

[Brian Morris]

Hi guys-  Thanks for your inputs. Appreciate it! 

As from what I know, there’s 47cm Saluki Prototype (small batch hence rare 
to score) that runs on 650b wheels.  I have a 650b wheelset that I want to 
use along with 42mm tires. Hence why I prefer a 650b Riv frameset. I’m 
currently riding extra small Rawland fixed gear frameset. I used to live in 
Bay Area so I’m pretty familiarized with Rivendell and Jitensha Studio as 
well (their Ebisu frame set is gorgeous!)  I’ve rode someone’s Bleriot once 
long time ago when I lived in DC area and it was 49cm along with 650b X 
33mm tires (tires was relatively new & popular size by then) It was 
comfortable ride. 

As I stated, it’s fat chance I’d find a used Riv in small sizes anyway. I’m 
hoping to score one so I can join club rides in my area. It doesn’t hurt to 
ask around. Feel free to contact me directly as well. 

Ride hard!
Brian 
Wilmington NC. 


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> I don’t trust listed standover height.  I would ask owners to measure and 
> ask what tires they have on.  My 51cm Hillborne is about 30.5 inches, a bit 
> over 75cm.  My 54cm Saluki which is at the shop presently is about the 
> same. My 55cm Bleriot was about 31” standover. Of course these measurement 
> were taken with a tape measure and are not 100% accurate.  
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:01:46 AM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> The 50 cm Saluki is 75.0 while the Bleriot 49 cm is 75.1 for stand over  
>> So if a 49cm Bleriot would work, so will a 50 cm Saluki.  Just hives you 
>> one more option.
>> The 50 cm Rambouillet would also work (74.2 stand over) , but it has 559 
>> wheels, not 584 as you expressed a preference for. It will also accept 571 
>> wheels, should you want to experiment with that.
>>
>> Nice bikes, all. Hope you find one you like.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:16:23 PM UTC-5 Brian Morris wrote:
>>
>>> Hi- I'm on a quest to find 47cm Saluki or 49cm Bleriot frame set out 
>>> there...My PBH is 75cm. preferably old geometry & 650B set up.  I know it 
>>> is fat chance to find one out there, especially small sizes. Hit me up if 
>>> you know anyone who may have one for sale. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian M 
>>> Wilmington NC 
>>>
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[RBW] WTB Nitto 120mm quill

[Spencer Robinson]

I am looking for a 120 or even 130 Nitto quill stem, it can be 26 or 25.4. 
I would prefer 25.4 as I am clamping Albatross bars. 
If you have a stem laying around, I would rather buy off the list than go 
to eBay.
Thanks
Spencer 

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[RBW] Re: (*)osco bar hand positions

[Dustin]

I enjoy the circled portion of the bar on the Boscos at least.  The 
transition zone between the flat, center portion at stem height and the 
swept back control area on the Boscos is where I go to get a little more 
"aggressive." Its a riding position that keeps my hands relatively close to 
the brakes when I'm riding near anyone or anything else.  I'm fairy 
hesitant to go all the way to the flats unless I'm all alone.  

D

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 12:00:56 PM UTC-4 Kevin wrote:

> Any riders of the Bosco and its myriad offshoots able to comment on how 
> many/what kind of hand positions are available?
>
> Any general comments are welcome, but I am particularly interested in the 
> circled portion of the bar in the attached photo. Is it usable or is there 
> just too much rise going on at that section of the bar? Maybe the Losco 
> differs a bit from the others in this area?
>
> Thanks,
>

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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

[Patrick Moore]

Oh yes. But both utility -- riding for a purpose (I do errands) and variety
-- off road and on road help: looking for new trails and streets (it's
interesting to come across neighborhoods tucked away away from major
arteries; and I'm always finding or re-finding different irrigation system
roads and trails. I very often turn grocery runs from a minimum 2 mile rt
(well 1/2 mile rt to Albertson's; but I mean the nicer Sproutses) to 12 or
15 or 20 miles by taking scenic detours.

And overcoming the habit that every ride must be a time trial. That has
taken me 15 years and I still have to force myself to slow down during the
first few miles.

We're hot, but we're very fortunate to be dry.

Patrick Moore, who must ride to daughter's mother's house tomorrow to pick
up and mail things daughter left behind during visit.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward
> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and
> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a chore.
> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet
> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve
> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others
> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work
> through it.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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[RBW] FS: Sackville Saddlesack XS olive

[jstewse]

Olive waxed canvas Saddlesack XS in well-loved and warn-in but good 
condition.

See photos
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Jay:
I must say I found comfort in you sharing your state of doldrums. It's 
comforting knowing I'm not alone. I'm 53 and have been in same state for a few 
years now. It's unsettling. I have to really push to scare-up desire and 
passion towards hobbies/adventures that used to be abundant and readily 
available. I develop levels of self-frustration because I'm largely a content, 
happy person. That is to say, I have much to be thankful for and don't struggle 
to make ends meet. Before this spell I always found joy in the contagious 
nature of my enthusiasm towards my recreational activities. Where it went 
exactly, I don't know. Simply said, I'm not a depressive person, so it's not 
that. I'm a productive person. It's just that I've noticed I have more of a 
"chore" view towards considering new adventures. I look back at the level of 
effort and enthusiasm I used to put forth into planning, prepping for, and 
successfully completing adventures and it tires me out.
For me, I think it's a phase in life thing: kids moving on to start their own 
lives, career, monotony, etc.Again, I've had a great life: much to be grateful 
and thankful for. I resigned from a long-held position 4 months ago and have 
been intentionally unemployed since, taking some time to refocus. I find the 
enthusiasm and passion cups gradually refilling.
Anyways, I don't want to ramble on. But I felt compelled to reply. You're not 
alone. It's a life philosophy tour. For me it's a lot about the unsettled phase 
in life I find myself in and locating the desire/courage to MAKE change in the 
interest of destroying monotony.
I never regret partaking in my hobbies: gravel rides, dirt biking, wing 
shooting. I just get frustrated being the impediment to doing same.
Over the past few months, I get the feeling it's beginning pass, which is 
welcome.
Best of luck my friend! Everyone has to deeply consider their own sources and 
solutions. Force yourself to do what you KNOW you love. Recognition is a great 
start! I'm getting better at conquering myself.
Best,
Scott in Montana 

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 wrote:  
 
 Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward commuting/utility. 
Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and are still very enjoyable 
to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a chore. Part of this is seasonal — I 
have an easier time dealing with cool, wet conditions than hot, sticky weather. 
So maybe this problem will solve itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m 
wondering whether others ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have 
some tips to work through it.
Jay LonnerBellingham, WA

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[RBW] Re: Video: Appaloosa build updates

[shopmonkey 39]

Loved it and stoked to see a mention on the Radavist.  Congrats!

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:59:52 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "I love that bike, Joe! Let me know if you do go for a stem swap and how 
> it works out. Is that the Periscopa I sold you a while back?"
>
> Thanks Eric! No that's an MT10 DirtDrop I got from Riv, it's a bit taller 
> than the Periscopa. Which I may have to stick with a while, I discovered 
> last night that the supply situation with tall/long quill stems is still 
> super not good! 
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 5:28:42 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I love that bike, Joe! Let me know if you do go for a stem swap and how 
>> it works out. Is that the Periscopa I sold you a while back? 
>>
>> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:50:39 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, I just got back from a short ride and now I'm thinking The Good 
>>> Doctor may have a point about stem length. My Billies are high on a long TT 
>>> frame with a short DirtDrop stem, I wonder if the hand numbness is from 
>>> grips being a little too close. Hmmm 樂
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 5:29:24 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks so much, Leah! I have a couple of other Riv build videos you 
 might like if you haven't seen them, check out my channel. I had to go 
 really, really far outside of my insurance network just to get a referral 
 for Dr. Ron. Healthcare, I tell ya. 

 I love the Billie bars, they're great. Running them with bar-end 
 shifters wasn't working great for me as I sometimes did have thigh 
 interference. That was the only issue. Love the grip position ahead of the 
 bars, the shape, the look. If I'm to be honest I really resisted switching 
 up the bars but a lot of my bike friends swap and try things out with 
 abandon so I figured I should just loosen up, already. 

 The Ortho Bars are fun, they are crazy wide and they have a ton of 
 flex. At first I wasn't so into them because I thought I'd lost the grip 
 position "ahead" of the levers and shifters which I use a lot for climbing 
 or getting out of the wind. Or sprinting. But after I re-routed the cables 
 from the shifters it was all gravy. I've definitely resolved the bar-end 
 jabs issue. Compared to the Billies I can't say they're necessarily 
 better, 
 they're different, they're good. They were made at the Renthal factory, if 
 anyone's curious. The new-to-me Suntour Power Thumb shifters are really 
 great, I love them. They're my first reverse-mounted thumb shifters. 

 Joe, thanks for the note. I didn't know that mocking up the struts with 
 a bevel was a thing either but it just sort of dawned on me. I'm glad you 
 enjoyed the consultation. I definitely love the Billie bars as well. I'm 
 sorry to hear about your numbness! and I hope that resolves some how some 
 way. 

 On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:55:47 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> He used a sliding bevel to mock up the rack struts. I didn't even know 
> that was a thing! 
>
> Dr. Romance was hilarious, I enjoyed that so much. The Ortho Bar is 
> interesting but I think I'll stick with my Billies, too. I don't think 
> bringing my bars further back and wider would work for me, but I DO wish 
> I 
> could solve the hand numbness I'm getting now. This is a new and unfun 
> malady for me! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:01:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I loved it. A really fun look into the magic (as one who doesn’t work 
>> on her bikes, it’s magic to ME) of assembly. What great new upgrades - 
>> especially the dyno. 
>>
>> How did you get a consult with Ronnie Romance?! I love my Billie Bars 
>> and wouldn’t trade them, but Ronnie’s point of view was interesting. Are 
>> you noticing a marked improvement?
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this video. It was really engrossing.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:54:25 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone — I just finished a new video about my Appaloosa. 
>>> Handlebar swap, new shifters, new front and rear derailers (including a 
>>> Nexave rapid rise mech). Also installed a Nitto front rack, Son dynamo 
>>> hub 
>>> and Schmidt Edeluxe II. 
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/muQgJiZtzwY
>>>
>>> Special appearance by orthopedic specialist Dr. Ronnie Romance. 
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> [image: Appaloosa 20220904.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne build video

[Keith P.]

Fun to see the photos on here too!

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 10:09:11 AM UTC-7 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:

> Lovely bicycle-- you could do just about any sort of ride with that set-up 
> excluding technical single track!
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 12:01 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Thanks to a tip from forum members Liz S. and Paul R. I purchased my 
>> first Rivendell earlier this summer. It was a complete Sam Hillborne that I 
>> totally overhauled. 
>>
>> I made a video of the build process, it's up here 
>> . 
>>
>> And here are a few pictures of the completed bike. Thanks for having a 
>> look ✌️
>>
>> [image: Hillborne Sm_01.jpg][image: Hillborne Sm_02.jpg][image: 
>> Hillborne Sm_03.jpg][image: Hillborne Sm_05.jpg][image: Hillborne 
>> Sm_06.jpg][image: Hillborne Sm_07.jpg]
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[RBW] All Time Best Paint Color

[Keith P.]

I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and am curious of the bunch's 
thoughts (opinions).

*What is the best factory Rivendell paint color to date?*

Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 'em.

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[RBW] Re: Velo-orange Cantilever Brake Shoes w/ Squeal-Free Pads, Threaded Post on my Platypus - what took me so long?!!!!

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Jay,

Are these the ones that you are currently using now:
https://velo-orange.com/collections/braking/products/vo-canti-style-brake-shoes-threaded-post

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-7 Jay LePree wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I need to report a major success.  I have been running Kool Stop Thinline 
> pads on my Litepro V-brakes.  For some reason, these salmon colored pads 
> squealed loudly on my front rim.  I would sand the pads to clean the 
> surface and sand the rim to remove any oils, dirt, ect. that would cause 
> squeal.  It got to a point when I had to lightly sand every other ride, 
> even in dry conditions.  (Interestingly, my back wheel never squealed.)
>
> I purchased the  Cantilever Brake Shoes w/ Squeal-Free Pads, Threaded Post 
> and finally installed them.  NO SQUEAL...even when riding in the rain and 
> on gravel paths.  It has been a several days of pure silence without the 
> need to clean the rims or the pads.  I am not sure if it is the compound 
> comprising the pads, or the metal hardware holds the pads more firmly 
> against the rim, or both, but they work really well on my Platypus.  
>
> Kind regards,
> Jay LePree
> Demarest, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Piaw Na]

I built up my 54cm Roadini on Saturday. 
Pictures: 
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/2mh2Jr8FRO6v3jzaewoY_Q.iLe5MSVKuBltp0tHHlgV_C

23 pounds as pictured (pump, pedals, bottle cage but no water bottle or 
wedge pack). It rides great but I'm slower on descents than on my touring 
bike (higher BB on the roadini + wider tires means I've got a higher CoG). 
The brakes are great --- I certainly have no complaints about them as 
compared to my other bike's standard reach brakes. 

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 6:45:02 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> Michael - really looking forward to hearing what happens with the GC610s! 
>
> Patch, who's helping a friend build his 57 orange once it gets here in 
> NYC/Hudson
>
> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-4 Michael Doleman wrote:
>
>> This is an old thread, but having just scored a 50cm Roadini for my 
>> partner, I thought I'd respond. The need for long reach brakes concerned me 
>> slightly, but in the end decided that with all the factors involved, it 
>> would be fine: bike is small, partner doesn't weigh much (125 or so), the 
>> bike isn't going to handle any big loads, and we aren't going to be doing 
>> harrowing descents). What I have opted to get for brakes is a set of the 
>> Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe GC700 model. I have both the GC610 and GC450 on other 
>> bikes, and I feel that they offer very good performance with quality brake 
>> pads -- better, I'm sure, than a long reach side pull. That said, I have 
>> also used the Tektro R559 and found them to be basically fine so long as 
>> they are outfitted with something other than the stock pads. They may be a 
>> little less than ideal in wet conditions but overall I think they are fine. 
>> And, if you don't need the extra clearance, it's always possible to use a 
>> drop bolt--which are hard to find, admittedly, but they are out there. The 
>> GC700 is also a little difficult to find, and a bit on the expensive side, 
>> at better than $200 for a set. And if you're willing to go even higher than 
>> that, there's always the Rene Herse model.
>>
>> Part of me wonders if the GC610 would actually work. They are specified 
>> to have -- I think -- 61mm of reach, which is only 2mm short of what the 
>> Roadini spec says it needs. Perhaps with the right pad? I don't know. I 
>> have a free set of the 610s available, so will try it when the new Roadini 
>> arrives and report back here on findings.
>>
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed for 
>>> R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as I’m 
>>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>>> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. That 
>>> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 80’s 
>>> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>> Seattle 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: (*)osco bar hand positions

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've used the Bosco 55cm steel non-moose variation that came stock on my 
Clem.  I ended up using some stoker nubs on mine.  Well, to be more 
accurate, my 'nubs' were just old Dia Compe non-aero lever hoods with the 
levers removed rather than the actual stoker nubs.  It wasn't long before I 
installed them since I preferred to have something to extend that 'in front 
of lever secondary grip' and also to offer something to lean into to keep 
from slipping forward and down that slope.  I also personally found the 
55cm a bit too tall, narrow, and straight for my own use... plus the 
occasional slip in the stem clamp from all the leverage made me go ahead 
and trade them away after a short period of use.  I'd eventually come to 
prefer the Jones loop, Chocomoose, and Bullmoose I'd later come to try on 
the same bike but I do recall finding the addition of the hoods/nubs to 
increase my own comfort with the bar.  Based on my own experience I came to 
think I'd likely prefer the wider 58cm Boscomoose if it were the 'wrong 
angle' variation I where the grips angled a bit further down than normal.  
I'm not even sure how many of those made it into circulation but do recall 
seeing photos and during my limited use of the 55cm Bosco I discovered 
after a few mid ride slips in the stem clamp that after the bar 
accidentally angled itself further down by a few degrees the grips became 
more comfortable until they eventually slipped more and felt too steep.  I 
should have taken a measurement or picture at their most comfortable spot 
for future reference but forgot to even bother before the opportunity came 
to trade them for the Jones (I think... I could certainly be confused with 
my past trades.)

I'm not sure whether use of the hoods or stoker nubs would be as effective 
on a Tosco with the less extreme rise but maybe someone has similarly tried 
those on a Tosco variation?  I only recall they fit well on the top curve 
of the Bosco and made an otherwise too short (for me) ramp section more 
useful and ultimately made my Bosco a 3... or more like 2.5 grip bar.  2.5 
only because I mostly stuck to the top 2 grips (in front of and behind the 
brake levers) and didn't really use the low and next to stem clamp flat 
section very much although I know others have found it more useful.

Either way I hope you find the bar that suits you best!

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ

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wrote:

> I find Toscos to be a single hand position bar. I like them regardless. 
>
> I’ve considered the stocker nubs as an option but haven’t executed them 
> yet. I do have the front flats wrapped but don’t find them useful. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 

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[RBW] Re: Wheels by Hunt (Boulder, CO)

[Slin]

Yeah, my bad - I was looking for 650b dynamo-hub rim brake wheelsets at the 
time.

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 9:44:37 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> The rim brake options are available Slin, what more can I say, they're 
> right there. 
>
> There's a few thousand reviews here Forrest. They appear genuine by the 
> good, bad and ugly reviews with company responses typical with that volume. 
>
> https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.huntbikewheels.com
>
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

[J J]

Jay, sharing here in case you have not seen Russ's (Path Less Pedaled) video, 
"Recovering from Burnout " 
. It might resonate.

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 11:07:17 AM UTC-4 bmfo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Commuting and erranding also makes up the majority of my cycling here in 
> Saint Louis, MO (where the hot and sticky levels are properly high). I have 
> 3 or 4 bikes I'll do my 4 mile one way commute on. I find changing up bikes 
> every few weeks (as weather allows... fender season is fender season) keeps 
> things fresh and fun. Same could be said for a handlebar change or some 
> other component change. One of said commuter bikes is fairly new and is an 
> Omnium cargo bike. Expanding the amount of errands I can accomplish via 
> bicycle has been enormously fun. I encourage anyone who thinks they could 
> make use of a cargo bike to pull the trigger.
>
> Brian F
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 7:38:58 AM UTC-5 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2022, 4:14 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Near Dublin, OH, a suburb of Columbus. According to wandrer.earth, 
>>> Dublin has just over 400 miles of bike paths and accessible roads (it 
>>> doesn't count interstates, etc). It took me from November through July to 
>>> hit my target for riding these roads (blue is ridden, red is unridden):
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> It's a fun app. I found I was riding longer distances to get out to new 
>>> roads, so I ended up in better than usual shape for mid summer.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>>
 Where in Ohio?

 On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 2:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Come ride in the Midwest or South, and then you’ll appreciate your 
> “hot and sticky” Bellingham summers :)
>
> I like to have made up goals for my riding. For a while, it was 
> reading and returning books to my local system of little free libraries. 
> This year, I used wanderer.earth to target riding all of my local town 
> roads and paths. That was a good experience. 
>
>
> Eric
> Now in Ohio, formerly of Seattle
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
>> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward 
>> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and 
>> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a 
>> chore. 
>> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet 
>> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve 
>> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others 
>> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work 
>> through it.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
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[RBW] Re: Wheels by Hunt (Boulder, CO)

[Slin]

Yeah, I was looking for 650b dynamo-hub rim brake wheelsets at the time.

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 9:44:37 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> The rim brake options are available Slin, what more can I say, they're 
> right there. 
>
> There's a few thousand reviews here Forrest. They appear genuine by the 
> good, bad and ugly reviews with company responses typical with that volume. 
>
> https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.huntbikewheels.com
>
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[RBW] Re: Wheels by Hunt (Boulder, CO)

[Garth]

The rim brake options are available Slin, what more can I say, they're 
right there. 

There's a few thousand reviews here Forrest. They appear genuine by the 
good, bad and ugly reviews with company responses typical with that volume. 

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.huntbikewheels.com

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[RBW] Re: FS: Pairs of 650b Tires - Panaracer Gravel King SS, Simworks Homage, Maxxis Ikon

[Ed Carolipio]

UPDATE: The Gravel Kings are sold pending payment.

--Ed C.

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 4:22:36 PM UTC-7 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Clearing out extra tires that may be of interest to the group. All tires 
> are lightly used (<80 miles) - road only for the Gravel Kings and Homage, 
> dirt only on the Ikons - and purchased less than 18 months ago. All prices 
> are for the pair and include tracked shipping in CONUS (USPS Priority 
> Medium Box) from 90278. The transaction will be via Paypal G (I'll cover 
> the fees).
>
>
>- Panaracer Gravel King Slick TLC - 650b x 48 (Black with Tan 
>sidewall) - $55/pair
>- Simworks Homage - 650b x 43 (Green) - $75/pair
>- Maxxis Ikon - 27.5 x 2.35, 120 TPI, 3C MAXX speed compound - $90/pair
>
> Google Drive URL for pictures: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BBW-bf0v226jrF0L060OzEpj8iC5OnMw?usp=sharing
>
> Please contact me off list if interested or if you have any questions.
>
>
> --Ed C.
>
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[RBW] Re: Advantages of front loading

[J J]

This is such an interesting thread. I found myself nodding my head reading 
John Rinker's note. I bought my Hunq new in 2012, and I never thought about 
trail per se until 3 or 4 years ago when it seemed trail was in the air, 
everywhere I turned, and everyone was talking about it. Maybe it's 
something particular to the Hunqapillar compared with other frames, but 
I've never felt a need to ruminate over what I had on a front rack or rear 
rack, balancing loads, whatever. I just never had to think about it. It has 
always felt stable whether the front was loaded with nothing in the rear, 
or vice versa, or both front and rear were loaded, or without any load at 
all. That's not to say that hauling a good sized watermelon on the front 
rack — which is common for me during the season — doesn't change handling 
characteristics. It certainly does, but not anywhere close to a degree that 
I find uncomfortable or problematic at all. I carry what I need to carry, I 
do what I need to do, and my riding adjusts and compensates accordingly, 
with little thought about it. It's natural. Anyway, I think we are 
constantly adjusting how we ride due to varying surfaces, wind patterns, 
energy or fatigue level, tire pressure, how our muscles and brains feel, 
elevation, and so on. There are countless dynamic variables that affect 
handling, requiring us to adjust and readjust on the fly and then we get 
momentum. On the Hunq, for me at least, the net outcome is a sense of 
stability, comfort, and confidence regardless of how much I am hauling or 
where the haul is positioned on the bike. 

Except when I experienced a puzzling shimmy. The handlebar would vibrate 
and swing wildly back and forth at speed if I removed one or both hands 
from the bar. The oscillation was palpable, annoying, and very much out of 
character for the bike. It  was not related to any front or rear load 
dynamics, nor to any lights, bells, or mirror mounted to the handlebar. The 
shimmy would diminish a bit if I touched either leg to the top tub or 
diagonal tube, but not completely. I bought an IRD double roller bearing 
headset thinking it might solve the problem (Rivendell was out of stock of 
their Tange/IRD NeedL BlastR at the time). But before having the new one 
installed, I reached out to Rivendell to ask about shimmy. In typical 
transparent and helpful fashion, Grant and Mark both said (paraphrasing): 
sometimes shimmy happens for no apparent or solvable reason. Bike physics 
and dynamics are super complicated. Keep your hands on the bar, don't ride 
ride no-handedly! Try removing the racks (it didn't help). 

Finally Grant said, no need to spend money on a new headset. It doesn't 
always solve the problem. Try heavier grease in your headset, and tighten 
it down more than you normally would. You're not after "buttery smooth" 
movement. You want some friction and resistance. It won't interfere with 
steering. 

Sure enough, these simple steps completely eliminated the shimmy. Stability 
returned to the Hunq! 

I wished I had contacted Riv before I bought the new headset. It's a nice 
piece of kit, now taking up space in the parts bin. 
 

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 5:47:55 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> I loaded my Rambouillet with a Caradice Nelson Longflap when new to do a 
> credit card camping take on the TranAm/Western Flyer route from Norfolk, VA 
> to SF, CA via Pueblo, CO starting in early May. It was perfect, although I 
> could see being a bit more prepared for contingencies (more stuff) would be 
> good, but I was within tolerance range of the Rivendale stated optimal max 
> load. All the good handling attributes felt like they were  without damping 
> by the rear load which in fairness was in front of the rear hub. I dare say 
> every Rivendell model is different and presents a varying capacity by 
> design for carrying loads on the front. Those that are more able in total 
> still have an order by which you add your increments (bags and contents) of 
> load as you close in on your total. 
>
> Fast forward a decade, I joined a group of Riv riders on the GAP starting 
> at Cumberland, MD in April. The food and drink needs of the route and 
> overnight,  the climate changes from warm at the start, cool and rainy by 
> Confluence, PA and snow from Ohiopyle on West Newton, PAwarranted that I 
> added another bag which was a small VO Berthoud knock-with a  little old 
> French rack. Seemed innnocuous but either the total weight or the front 
> load itself really snuffed the nice handling. It became more ponderous than 
> the load would have predicted. My feeling riding it those hundred miles was 
> that a bike needs to be designed for your load, meaning enough heft of the 
> tube set and geometry that won't make necessary lots of fine inputs. Not a 
> super riding bike empty. Loaded as it was, my Ram was awkward because of 
> the deliberate effort necessary to input the small adjustments for its 
> specified trail.
>
> Trail 

[RBW] Re: Wheels by Hunt (Boulder, CO)

[Slin]

I was interested after seeing all the reviews on youtube, but I didn't see 
any rim brake options from them.

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 1:10:05 PM UTC-7 Forrest Meyer wrote:

> I know in this group there is praise, admiration for wheels built by Rich 
> L., and I’ve had a couple such sets and they are great. But in the non-RBW 
> (and non-silver) category, has anyone here had experience with wheels from 
> Hunt (out of Boulder, CO — and the UK, too, I guess)? Looking at a dynamo 
> hub wheel set from them. Thanks,  — Forrest
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

[Brian Forsee]

Commuting and erranding also makes up the majority of my cycling here in 
Saint Louis, MO (where the hot and sticky levels are properly high). I have 
3 or 4 bikes I'll do my 4 mile one way commute on. I find changing up bikes 
every few weeks (as weather allows... fender season is fender season) keeps 
things fresh and fun. Same could be said for a handlebar change or some 
other component change. One of said commuter bikes is fairly new and is an 
Omnium cargo bike. Expanding the amount of errands I can accomplish via 
bicycle has been enormously fun. I encourage anyone who thinks they could 
make use of a cargo bike to pull the trigger.

Brian F

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wrote:

> Nice.
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2022, 4:14 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> Near Dublin, OH, a suburb of Columbus. According to wandrer.earth, Dublin 
>> has just over 400 miles of bike paths and accessible roads (it doesn't 
>> count interstates, etc). It took me from November through July to hit my 
>> target for riding these roads (blue is ridden, red is unridden):
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> It's a fun app. I found I was riding longer distances to get out to new 
>> roads, so I ended up in better than usual shape for mid summer.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>>> Where in Ohio?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 2:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 Come ride in the Midwest or South, and then you’ll appreciate your “hot 
 and sticky” Bellingham summers :)

 I like to have made up goals for my riding. For a while, it was reading 
 and returning books to my local system of little free libraries. This 
 year, 
 I used wanderer.earth to target riding all of my local town roads and 
 paths. That was a good experience. 


 Eric
 Now in Ohio, formerly of Seattle

 On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward 
> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and 
> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a 
> chore. 
> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet 
> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve 
> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others 
> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work 
> through it.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: (*)osco bar hand positions

[amillhench]

I find Toscos to be a single hand position bar. I like them regardless. 

I’ve considered the stocker nubs as an option but haven’t executed them yet. I 
do have the front flats wrapped but don’t find them useful. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

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[RBW] Re: (*)osco bar hand positions

[John Johnson]

I have ridden the Bosco and have 60cm Toscos on my Clem. I didn't love the 
Boscos, too much rise and too narrow. However, I LOVE the Boscos. Favorite 
bars for comfort and long rides (well, maybe a tie with Jones bars, but 
it's a whole different aesthetic). 

I use the circle part you mentioned mostly on long climbs. It's just a 
matter of making sure there is space for your hands (i.e. that the 
shifters, bells, etc. are placed farther forward or somewhere else).

cheers,

john

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 1:03:23 AM UTC+2 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> I have both the Bosco and the Tosco. As others have said, that circled 
> position is a bit too forward. I do use it but only when shifting since my 
> shifters are on the straight part of the bar closer to the stem. Jay 
> Ritchey's grip on the photo posted by brokebike matches more how I grip the 
> bar on a climb and works best when tilting the bar down from horizontal as 
> recommended by Riv. That's usually as forward as I get, and I choose a grip 
> from there through all the way to the bar end, even grabbing around the 
> brake lever. Picture is of left side of the Tosco-moose on my GBW.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> [image: IMG_1938.jpg]
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 9:00:56 AM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:
>
>> Any riders of the Bosco and its myriad offshoots able to comment on how 
>> many/what kind of hand positions are available?
>>
>> Any general comments are welcome, but I am particularly interested in the 
>> circled portion of the bar in the attached photo. Is it usable or is there 
>> just too much rise going on at that section of the bar? Maybe the Losco 
>> differs a bit from the others in this area?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric described and showed some of the fun one can derive from wandrer.earth.

I concur wholeheartedly that wandrer.earth can add another layer of fun to 
cycling for some people.  I tend towards the compulsive, and so when I can 
planfully do something, I am generally more likely to follow through with 
that something, or at least stick with that pursuit for a longer period.  
In short, wandrer.earth got me through the pandemic, because it added a 
layer of fun for rides that were all solo, and were mostly not far from my 
front door.  I got pretty hardcore with it, and am very proud of my 
footprint in the SF Bay Area (Contra Costa, Alameda and Marin Counties 
mostly).  My job has me travel to Michigan almost monthly, and my presence 
in Wayne County is preserved on wandrer, and that helped shape many of the 
hours that I would otherwise have spent watching TV in a hotel room.  I 
just returned from a three week vacation in Europe and one of my digital 
souvenirs is a solid footprint in Stockholm, Sweden, Copenhagen Denmark, 
and Amsterdam.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:14:33 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Near Dublin, OH, a suburb of Columbus. According to wandrer.earth, Dublin 
> has just over 400 miles of bike paths and accessible roads (it doesn't 
> count interstates, etc). It took me from November through July to hit my 
> target for riding these roads (blue is ridden, red is unridden):
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> It's a fun app. I found I was riding longer distances to get out to new 
> roads, so I ended up in better than usual shape for mid summer.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
>> Where in Ohio?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 2:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Come ride in the Midwest or South, and then you’ll appreciate your “hot 
>>> and sticky” Bellingham summers :)
>>>
>>> I like to have made up goals for my riding. For a while, it was reading 
>>> and returning books to my local system of little free libraries. This year, 
>>> I used wanderer.earth to target riding all of my local town roads and 
>>> paths. That was a good experience. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> Now in Ohio, formerly of Seattle
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>>
 Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward 
 commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and 
 are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a 
 chore. 
 Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet 
 conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve 
 itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others 
 ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work 
 through it.

 Jay Lonner
 Bellingham, WA

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[RBW] Re: Advantages of front loading

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I loaded my Rambouillet with a Caradice Nelson Longflap when new to do a 
credit card camping take on the TranAm/Western Flyer route from Norfolk, VA 
to SF, CA via Pueblo, CO starting in early May. It was perfect, although I 
could see being a bit more prepared for contingencies (more stuff) would be 
good, but I was within tolerance range of the Rivendale stated optimal max 
load. All the good handling attributes felt like they were  without damping 
by the rear load which in fairness was in front of the rear hub. I dare say 
every Rivendell model is different and presents a varying capacity by 
design for carrying loads on the front. Those that are more able in total 
still have an order by which you add your increments (bags and contents) of 
load as you close in on your total. 

Fast forward a decade, I joined a group of Riv riders on the GAP starting 
at Cumberland, MD in April. The food and drink needs of the route and 
overnight,  the climate changes from warm at the start, cool and rainy by 
Confluence, PA and snow from Ohiopyle on West Newton, PAwarranted that I 
added another bag which was a small VO Berthoud knock-with a  little old 
French rack. Seemed innnocuous but either the total weight or the front 
load itself really snuffed the nice handling. It became more ponderous than 
the load would have predicted. My feeling riding it those hundred miles was 
that a bike needs to be designed for your load, meaning enough heft of the 
tube set and geometry that won't make necessary lots of fine inputs. Not a 
super riding bike empty. Loaded as it was, my Ram was awkward because of 
the deliberate effort necessary to input the small adjustments for its 
specified trail.

Trail and handling are a dimension and outcome and the relationship 
overlooks lots of other dimensions with input to how the bike rides in your 
uses. I am over 6" tall and have long legs and a short torso for my height. 
That made the under square Rambouillet a very good option for me since I 
was a bit short of the experience I later found helpful when pursuing a 
custom bike but did prefer a sportier riding bike than say an early '90s 
MTB conversion. The front load on the Rambouillet overrode many of the 
details that kept it predictably handling without my toe ever tangling up 
with the front fender. It has, as previous Ram riders (Steve P.) have 
noted, a tendency to veer off track on slow, low-cadence, out of saddle 
climbs unloaded or rear loaded due to the higher trail. That I believe is a 
combination of the compensations of things that resulted in the front end 
geometry including trail and the out of saddle weight distribution coming 
forward. The trail dimension can also surprise you when a brief surface 
change that addresses the front wheel implies any lateral force to it. I 
have short, steeply ramped driveway curb cut that you cross on an angle in 
mind. The Ram can be flustered on my exact example, my subsequent lower 
trail bike is not, loaded or not.  

As James' at Analog's article points out no one thing is panacea. 
Everything has limits, beneficial or otherwise. I found that loading my 
Rambouillet enough for rides in austere place for more than a day, keeping 
the front unburdened enough left me with a limited size tire that had to be 
pumped up pretty high to account for the odd edge, rock or whatever rim 
pinch or worse. Not the best ride for this bike and it goes against some 
thought that the cargo load, even when compensated with tire pressure, 
makes a bike ride smother. I've had two rear wheel destroying hits on this 
bike the front wheel floated past unharmed. This rear bias in load 
preference, the declining comfort as the load or the road dictates rear 
tire pressure to increase and as the geometry for the front end's 
contribution to handling gave me the confidence I needed to step off into a 
custom. 

I wanted a bike that fit my non-stock body that had enough tire to ride on 
the mixed surfaces I frequent, capable of several days of non-camping load 
without feeling over burdened, more equalized F-R weight distribution so I 
can benefit from the tires' inflation instead of nearing the max to avoid 
flats, no toe overlap with fenders and that was fun to ride unloaded. I 
have a Disc Trucker commuter so that last point is emphasized as I find it 
intolerable after 35 miles due to both being generically overbuilt for 
loads and the top tube stock geometry.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 9:50:44 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I thought it might be somewhat pertinent to the discussion to link to this 
> article about low-trail bikes and handling. Written by James from Analog 
> Cycles a couple years back when it seemed like everyone was desiring a 
> low-trail frame:
> https://analogcycles.com/pages/debunking-low-trail
>
> While it doesn't directly address the original post's questions about 
> front-loading on Rivendells, there's some good info about how certain