Re: [RBW] Re: Perfect tires for Clem?

[Danny Noonan]

Not quite the same tire sizes, but as far as tread goes, I really wasn't 
impressed by the Ultradynamico Mars when I ran the 26 x 2.3 (JFF) version 
on my Velo Orange Polyvalent two summers ago. They were very loud and slow 
on pavement, and only marginally more capable on light trail than the RH 
Rat Trap Passes I was previously running (and switched back to). I'm sure 
more gnarly trails like what Ron rides up in New England these days are a 
different story altogether, and probably where the Mars shines. But not 
really an all-road tire.

For what it's worth I do really like the RH knobbies on my Homer, but 
they're 700c x 42.



Le mardi 1 novembre 2022 à 17:51:00 UTC-7, rmro...@gmail.com a écrit :

> I forgot about another interesting(?) option - 650b x 55 Simworks Homage. 
> Anyone tried them?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 7:38 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> This doesn't answer your question or help really but I thought I'd share 
> that I run Grand Bois Hetre 42 mm tires on my Clem L. I do road riding 
> almost exclusively nowadays and they roll well. They even work on the wide 
> Cliffhanger rims. It seems a Clem can be set up for many different tasks.
>
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:39:38 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>
>> I'm fond of Schwalbe Smart Sams in 55 sizing for all-purpose riding.
>>
>> [image: IMG-6906.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:33:36 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
>>> website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
>>> obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
>>> of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
>>> 650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
>>> foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
>>> sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
>>> Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
>>> Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
>>> are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
>>> the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
>>> on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
>>> Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
>>> "lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
>>> dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
>>> could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
>>> smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
>>> the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
>>> a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Shimano Altus low range question

[john Bokman]

Thanks for the info Doug! This sounds exactly how I’d want to use my potential 
setup, and why I want to revert to 3X-land.

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:40 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> Just another confirmation that the large pulley Altus that Rivendell carries 
> will handle an 11-36 9 speed. I have this on my Atlantis. Shimano always 
> seems to be conservative in their ratings. It's on a triple with a 34 middle 
> & I use the entire cassette on that ring. 44 outer is only used up to maybe 
> the 3rd cog from the big, and the 24 inner out to maybe the 4th cog from the 
> inner.
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:52:38 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> I found this picture from a Rivendell customer's bike in Rivendell's blog ?  
> Needless to say, I was quite amazed to see the capacity and potential at the 
> same time. This could very well branch out into lengthy conversations between 
> members herein. 
> Enjoy !
> 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:39:42 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> Thanks everyone for your comments.
> 
> Doug I didn’t know that there were different versions of the Altus?  I think 
> I have the large pulley. 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:27 PM, Doug H. > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> I have the newer, smaller pulley version of the Altus on my Clem and just 
>> installed a 7 speed 11-36 cassette and it works fine. My 9 speed topped out 
>> at 34 that I had on there stock.
>> Doug
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:24:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>> If we are talking about the cool looking big pulley Altus RD then I do 
>> indeed have that rigged up on my Clem L with an 11-36 9 speed rear. No 
>> roadlink used and no problems. Just works as-is. Not sure if it matters but 
>> I am 1x with this setup so no triple up front but it does shift a 9 up to 36.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:10:03 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>> I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
>> accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
>> think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double with 
>> a 11-36 cassette normally. 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
>>> While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
>>> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
>>> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
>>> short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>>> 
>>> -Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
>>> Roadlink . May not 
>>> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, 
>>> but that was an 8 speed.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>> HI Rivsters.
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
>>> cassette with an Altus RD?
>>> 
>>> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
>>> 11-32 8 speed.
>>> 
>>> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>>> 
>>> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
>>> that?
>>> 
>>> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
>>> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
>>> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
>>> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
>>> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
>>> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> Portland OR
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Shimano Altus low range question

[dougP]

Just another confirmation that the large pulley Altus that Rivendell 
carries will handle an 11-36 9 speed. I have this on my Atlantis. Shimano 
always seems to be conservative in their ratings. It's on a triple with a 
34 middle & I use the entire cassette on that ring. 44 outer is only used 
up to maybe the 3rd cog from the big, and the 24 inner out to maybe the 4th 
cog from the inner.

dougP

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:52:38 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I found this picture from a Rivendell customer's bike in Rivendell's blog 
> ?  Needless to say, I was quite amazed to see the capacity and potential at 
> the same time. This could very well branch out into lengthy conversations 
> between members herein. 
> Enjoy !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:39:42 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for your comments.
>>
>> Doug I didn’t know that there were different versions of the Altus?  I 
>> think I have the large pulley. 
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:27 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I have the newer, smaller pulley version of the Altus on my Clem and just 
>> installed a 7 speed 11-36 cassette and it works fine. My 9 speed topped out 
>> at 34 that I had on there stock.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:24:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> If we are talking about the cool looking big pulley Altus RD then I do 
>>> indeed have that rigged up on my Clem L with an 11-36 9 speed rear. No 
>>> roadlink used and no problems. Just works as-is. Not sure if it matters but 
>>> I am 1x with this setup so no triple up front but it does shift a 9 up to 
>>> 36.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:10:03 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
 I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
 accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
 think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double 
 with 
 a 11-36 cassette normally. 

 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max 
> cog. While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
> short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>
>> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
>> Roadlink . 
>> May not even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using 
>> said 
>> setup, but that was an 8 speed.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> HI Rivsters.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 
>>> 9-speed cassette with an Altus RD?
>>>
>>> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 
>>> 44x30, 11-32 8 speed.
>>>
>>> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>>>
>>> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>>>
>>> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower 
>>> than that?
>>>
>>> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather 
>>> not. I don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) 
>>> because it doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially 
>>> go 
>>> to the Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or 
>>> other which does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten 
>>> used 
>>> to the reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland OR
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Mamachari, rider experience, ride quality, etc.

[John Rinker]

My partner had a Yamaha Paswith (electric) which she loved and rode 
everywhere for two years while we lived in Yokohama. Yokohama is a very 
hilly city and we lived on top of 'The Bluff', so for her the electric 
option made travel laden with groceries possible and even pleasurable. With 
baskets on front and back it was her everything vehicle. Sturdy, dependable 
and with decent quality parts, she was very sad to leave this bicycle 
behind when we left Japan. 

As a side note, I would add that the ubiquity of mamacharis in Yokohama, 
Tokyo and all over Japan make cycling a very safe endeavour. It is 'THE' 
vehicle for mothers to get most children to day care and/or preschool. 
Automobile drivers are very conscious of the many bicycles with which they 
share the road. My favourite, perhaps unwritten, rule in Japan is, when it 
comes to transportation, the less damage you can do, the more rights you 
have. Pedestrians are, of course, at the top of this chain. The one caveat 
being that the train is king.

Cheers,
John

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:57:29 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello! Does anyone have any experience with a "mamachari"? For anyone not 
> knowing; Introducing the Mamachari 
> .
> A Bridgestone Wedgerock 27" popped up in my zone and I was wondering if 
> anyone had any bike of this type in their collection. I like the idea of 
> this tough, utilitarian bike, mostly designed to live outside in the 
> elements. I'm not afraid of 27" wheels or the heavy weight. What's your 
> take on the mamachari?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Perfect tires for Clem?

[Richard Rose]

I forgot about another interesting(?) option - 650b x 55 Simworks Homage. 
Anyone tried them?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 7:38 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> This doesn't answer your question or help really but I thought I'd share 
> that I run Grand Bois Hetre 42 mm tires on my Clem L. I do road riding almost 
> exclusively nowadays and they roll well. They even work on the wide 
> Cliffhanger rims. It seems a Clem can be set up for many different tasks.
> Doug
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:39:38 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>> I'm fond of Schwalbe Smart Sams in 55 sizing for all-purpose riding.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:33:36 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
>>> website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
>>> obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
>>> of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
>>> 650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
>>> foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
>>> sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
>>> Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
>>> Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
>>> are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
>>> the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
>>> on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
>>> Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
>>> "lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
>>> dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
>>> could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
>>> smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
>>> the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
>>> a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily...
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Re: [RBW] Shimano Altus low range question

[john Bokman]

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Doug I didn’t know that there were different versions of the Altus?  I think I 
have the large pulley. 

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:27 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> I have the newer, smaller pulley version of the Altus on my Clem and just 
> installed a 7 speed 11-36 cassette and it works fine. My 9 speed topped out 
> at 34 that I had on there stock.
> Doug
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:24:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
> If we are talking about the cool looking big pulley Altus RD then I do indeed 
> have that rigged up on my Clem L with an 11-36 9 speed rear. No roadlink used 
> and no problems. Just works as-is. Not sure if it matters but I am 1x with 
> this setup so no triple up front but it does shift a 9 up to 36.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:10:03 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
> I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
> accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
> think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double with a 
> 11-36 cassette normally. 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
> 
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
>> While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
>> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
>> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a short 
>> hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>> 
>> -Dave
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
>> Roadlink . May not 
>> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, but 
>> that was an 8 speed.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>> HI Rivsters.
>> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
>> cassette with an Altus RD?
>> 
>> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
>> 11-32 8 speed.
>> 
>> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>> 
>> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>> 
>> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
>> that?
>> 
>> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
>> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
>> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
>> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
>> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
>> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> Portland OR
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Perfect tires for Clem?

[Doug H.]

This doesn't answer your question or help really but I thought I'd share 
that I run Grand Bois Hetre 42 mm tires on my Clem L. I do road riding 
almost exclusively nowadays and they roll well. They even work on the wide 
Cliffhanger rims. It seems a Clem can be set up for many different tasks.
Doug

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:39:38 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:

> I'm fond of Schwalbe Smart Sams in 55 sizing for all-purpose riding.
>
> [image: IMG-6906.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:33:36 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
>> website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
>> obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
>> of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
>> 650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
>> foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
>> sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
>> Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
>> Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
>> are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
>> the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
>> on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
>> Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
>> "lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
>> dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
>> could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
>> smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
>> the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
>> a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[Doug H.]

I have the newer, smaller pulley version of the Altus on my Clem and just 
installed a 7 speed 11-36 cassette and it works fine. My 9 speed topped out 
at 34 that I had on there stock.
Doug

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:24:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> If we are talking about the cool looking big pulley Altus RD then I do 
> indeed have that rigged up on my Clem L with an 11-36 9 speed rear. No 
> roadlink used and no problems. Just works as-is. Not sure if it matters but 
> I am 1x with this setup so no triple up front but it does shift a 9 up to 
> 36.
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:10:03 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
>> accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
>> think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double with 
>> a 11-36 cassette normally. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max 
>>> cog. While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
>>> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
>>> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
>>> short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>>
 I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
 Roadlink . May 
 not even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said 
 setup, but that was an 8 speed.

 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> HI Rivsters.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 
> 9-speed cassette with an Altus RD?
>
> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 
> 44x30, 11-32 8 speed.
>
> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>
> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>
> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower 
> than that?
>
> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. 
> I don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because 
> it 
> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other 
> which 
> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
> Portland OR
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[Johnny Alien]

If we are talking about the cool looking big pulley Altus RD then I do 
indeed have that rigged up on my Clem L with an 11-36 9 speed rear. No 
roadlink used and no problems. Just works as-is. Not sure if it matters but 
I am 1x with this setup so no triple up front but it does shift a 9 up to 
36.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:10:03 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
> accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
> think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double with 
> a 11-36 cassette normally. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>
>> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
>> While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
>> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
>> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
>> short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
>>> Roadlink . May 
>>> not even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said 
>>> setup, but that was an 8 speed.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 HI Rivsters.

 I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 
 9-speed cassette with an Altus RD?

 I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 
 44x30, 11-32 8 speed.

 The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 

 According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.

 Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower 
 than that?

 I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. 
 I don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
 doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
 Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other 
 which 
 does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
 reverse movement. Drives me mad!

 Thanks,

 John
 Portland OR

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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE

I work in Wayne County.  Even though I'm rarely in Detroit proper, all my 
customers are automotive companies, so think of me working in Detroit.  My 
office is in Livonia.

BL in EC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:22:29 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Bill, you flatter me. I will do my best, with the driving hope of APPROVE 
> in your response.  Also, I drove by Jackson en route to Philedelphia - 
> isn’t that where you’re spending a lot of your work weeks? Ok, on to the 
> tale…
>
> I set out from Michigan early Friday morning. I had been in contact with 
> several of my RivSisters before the event; see, the bike world thinks the 
> Expo is about bikes but the RivSisters know that the Expo is actually a 
> RivSister Reunion. We were anxious to meet in real life, hug each other’s 
> necks and to descend upon the Riv Staff and love them up, too. Roberta was 
> the first RivSister I encountered as she had arranged to meet me in 
> Harrisburg, which was on my way and only 2 hours from Philedelphia. We 
> sipped coffee and shared the drive as we made our way to Philedelphia. We 
> unloaded the Racing Platypus and were horrified to see this - pictured 
> below is Roberta’s disembodied hand holding my snapped kickstand:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> But, it is good to have RivSisters because she called Keystone Bikes and 
> they said they would bring me a new kickstand to the Expo in the morning. I 
> still don’t know how I managed to snap that kickstand. And if you’ve ever 
> had a kickstand and then tried to live without one, well, I know your 
> agony. 
>
> Saturday morning a group of us met for a ride through Philedelphia that 
> would end at the Expo. The Rivendells in attendance all belonged to the 
> RivSisters. Pam, on her legendary 47 cm Betty Foy, replete with beausage 
> and sporting a new My Little Pony hood ornament that she found out on the 
> road somewhere; Leah, who realized her unintentional sartorial sin when 
> every piece of clothing she donned was raspberry, on the 55cm 
>  kickstand-less Racing Platypus; Roberta on her 55 cm Safety Yellow 
> Platypus (more is more!); and Melanie, on her borrowed (Roberta) (51 cm?) 
> Homer. Here we are on the steps that Rocky ran up in those movies I’ve 
> never seen. Alas, the photo was taken by a man; a woman would have never 
> let her shadow impinge upon this fabulous photo set up we arranged. 
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> We ended the ride at the Expo. There was fabulous bike valet parking 
> inside the Convention Center, but I put my bike in the elevator to take it 
> to Keystone for the promised kickstand. Here is the best elevator bike 
> portrait ever taken:
>
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> I wheeled my bike onto the expo floor and heard my name called. It was 
> Vince-of-Rivendell! Sweet, smiling as always with that smile that goes all 
> the way up to his eyes, he said, I’ll take you to Keystone; they’re in the 
> booth next to us. Shortly after, the rest of the RivSisters appeared and we 
> hugged the necks of Vince, Will, James and Rich. Here is the worst photo we 
> could have taken. It is good of exactly *no one.* I think Kate (hidden 
> from view)is preparing to stand on a folding chair, which is making Will 
> and Vince nervous.
>
> [image: image3.jpeg]
>
> Luckily, we had more than one shot.
>
> [image: image4.jpeg]
>
> When Rich came over later, we got one with him:
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
> From there on, we went to the booths and saw more friendly faces. Here’s 
> my fellow Michigander, Jeff Jacobi, of Velocity USA out of Grand Rapids, 
> Michigan!
>
> [image: image7.jpeg]
>
> And here’s Debra of Rivet Cycle Works, who made the gorgeous ivory Sonora 
> that adorns my Racing Platypus. She is a complete LOVE. You know how when 
> some people hug you they really mean it? This hug went all the way to the 
> face. See here:
>
> [image: image8.jpeg]
>
> Kate Gilson came (her 50 cm mermaid Platy did not) and she does this 
> hilarious thing she calls #publicrestroomreflectionseries where she takes 
> photos in public bathrooms and posts them. She wanted one with her 
> RivSisters, which we accomplished here:
>
> [image: image10.jpeg]
>
> It is interesting to note that the only woman with the distinction of 
> having met the other women was Roberta. She had met all of us at different 
> places and times but the rest of us were acquainted only through Instagram 
> and the List. So, even though we are RivSisters, this was our first meeting 
> and it was like we had known each other for years. Kate is a retired NICU 
> nurse and has expressive green eyes and big energy. Melanie is quiet, just 
> like you’d expect a life-long librarian to be. Still waters run deep. She 
> has the most bikes of all of us.  I am fairly transparent, so hopefully 
> they found me to be what I am online. Like Kate, I’m a nurse, and I work in 
> the perioperative world. Pam is a former financial advisor who is 
> singularly focused on getting everyone 

Re: [RBW] I want to see your Legolases

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ah yes! Have some older WI Sugino cranks, too. I really like them. Looks 
good on your Riv!

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:43 PM UTC-7 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Those are ye older White Industries / Sugino 94/58bcd arms (set up
> 48/30 as a 94 double)... and which directly lead to the significant
> Legolas down-time, after one of the chainring bolt "ears" sheared.
> Need to up my crank game, too ("WTB Ritchey 94 metoo!")
>
> Joe
>
> On 11/1/22, Nikko Mendoza  wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > I think that looks sick. And these Minimotos are some of the best braking
> > brakes i've used (other than disc hydros). I'd definitelt suggws them, 
> but
> > I'd say building to fit a certain (mtype of riding will help you accept 
> the
> > bike for what it is... a cross bike. I came to terms that I like going
> > fast, and I don't like technical dirt. This bike is perfect for that!
> >
> > What cranks are those? They look like the 110bcd Ritchey Logic cranks. 
> I'm
> > on the hunt for some 94bcd Ritchey Compact cranks at the moment.
> >
> > Nikko
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 1, 2022, at 12:36 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> >>
> >> Nikko,
> >>
> >> Here's mine from back in its glory days - I really should put some
> >> wrench time into getting back into a serviceable shape.
> >>
> >> https://flic.kr/p/z8k1NT
> >>
> >> V-brakes might be what it takes for it to win me back but, TBH - I've
> >> never been completely happy with the tire clearances / rubber
> >> selections I've made, either - 700x42 is the max but x38 with knobs is
> >> more realistic.
> >>
> >> Such a beautiful/great riding/lightweight frame otherwise! Just need
> >> to acknowledge that it's a cross bike before anything else, not really
> >> the end-all/be-all dirt banger.
> >>
> >> Joe Bunik
> >> Walnut Creek, CA
> >>
> >>> On 11/1/22, Nikko in Oakland  wrote:
> >>> yup, these are the UD 700x42mm Rosés, and certainly the biggest tire I
> >>> can
> >>> fit on the bike comfortably. I also think the bike really feels at home
> >>> on
> >>> 700x38mm tires, but I don't like the cornering control on steilacoom
> >>> tires
> >>> vs the Rosés, so I'm sticking to that. If I have to move to slicks in
> >>> the
> >>> roadie form, I'll probably stick to gravel king/RH 700x35 or 700x38mm
> >>> slicks.
> >>>
>  On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
> 
>  All of these bikes are gorgeous. How is the clearance with the 42's?
>  The
> 
>  legolas is a dream bike for me but have always been curious how wide
>  you
>  can go if you push it a little.
> 
>  Brian
> 
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:24:43 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland
> > wrote:
> 
> > oh i'm silly. that was a typo!
> >
> > keeping the RH cranks but changing to Athena 11s shifters and mechs.
> >
> > and tires, yes. initially i had Steilacoom/Barlow Pass (700x38mm),
> > then
> > when i made this my dedicated dirt ride, put on the UD Rosè 
> (700x42mm)
> > and
> > they roll surprisingly well. i also like the cornering control in 
> dirt
> > better than Steilacooms AND they corner well on the road too!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:02 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> >
> > First of all, that bike is gorgeous. Athena cranks are swell but the
> > RH
> >
> > on there is perfect! But, talk about your tires. Rose’?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Oct 31, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nikko in Oakland 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hey y'all,
> >
> > I recently had to let go of one bike, and the Legolas survived the
> > cut.
> > Now, I'm revamping my legolas to be more road-oriented while still
> > dirt
> > capable. RIght now, I have 10speed Bar End shifters, RH 46/30t 
> cranks,
> > and
> > an 11-36t cassette. It's plenty roadie enough, but I am getting a set
> > of
> >
> > Athena 11 speed cranks to lean a little bit more into roadie-ness, 
> and
> > throwing on an 11-34t cassette to still stay dirt capable.
> >
> > But I am here because I need build inspiration. Can y'all share pics
> > of
> > your legolas in it's *fastest *state? me first, ya?
> >
> > I rotated the bars downward a little bit since this photo, but you 
> get
> > the idea.
> >
> > [image: IMG_9561.jpeg]
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[Mackenzy Albright]

I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double with 
a 11-36 cassette normally. 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
> While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
> short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>
>> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
>> Roadlink . May 
>> not even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said 
>> setup, but that was an 8 speed.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> HI Rivsters.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
>>> cassette with an Altus RD?
>>>
>>> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 
>>> 44x30, 11-32 8 speed.
>>>
>>> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>>>
>>> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>>>
>>> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
>>> that?
>>>
>>> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
>>> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
>>> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
>>> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
>>> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
>>> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland OR
>>>
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[RBW] FS: 53cm Atlantis

[David]

Hello Riv Bunch -

Thinning the herd, as they say. Never got much time on this one. Would 
prefer to not ship, but willing to work something out.

Built by Garret at Crust Bikes
2019 (fairly certain) Atlantis frame
53cm
650b
Albatross bars, cork grips, 9cm Nitto stem
Brooks Cambium saddle
Paul Touring Cantis w/ matching Love Levers and Moon Units
Bomb proof, Quality Wheels (Cliffhanger rims) w/ Shimano hubs
27.5x2.25 Schwalbe Thunder Burts
New Albion 2x crank, 170 arms
MKS XC-III pedals
Campy Veloce Front Derailleur and Microsoft R10 Rear
S-Ride 11-36t 10 speed cassette
*No front rack/basket

*$3,000*

Please private msg me to discuss - thanks!

David
Sacramento, CA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[john Bokman]

Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP  wrote:
> 
> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
> While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a short 
> hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
> 
> -Dave
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
> Roadlink . May not 
> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, but 
> that was an 8 speed.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> HI Rivsters.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
> cassette with an Altus RD?
> 
> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
> 11-32 8 speed.
> 
> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
> 
> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
> 
> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than that?
> 
> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the Alvio, 
> or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which does 
> shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the reverse 
> movement. Drives me mad!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> Portland OR
> 
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[RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[DavidP]

In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.

-Dave


On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:

> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
> Roadlink . May not 
> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, 
> but that was an 8 speed.
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> HI Rivsters.
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
>> cassette with an Altus RD?
>>
>> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
>> 11-32 8 speed.
>>
>> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>>
>> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>>
>> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
>> that?
>>
>> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
>> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
>> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
>> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
>> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
>> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>> Portland OR
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[john Bokman]

Interesting…thanks for the link! I wonder how Shimano determines what one of 
their detailers is capable of shifting? In other words, if they believe a 
derailer (lets say its an Altus, for example) is good for up to a 36 low cog, 
maybe they say it’s only good for up to a 34 tooth low cog, to give themselves 
some “wiggle room”? I’ve heard for years that many different derailers can, 
potentially, shift lower than their stated limitations.



> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:34 PM, J Imler  wrote:
> 
> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
> Roadlink . May not 
> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, but 
> that was an 8 speed.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> HI Rivsters.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
> cassette with an Altus RD?
> 
> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
> 11-32 8 speed.
> 
> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
> 
> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
> 
> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than that?
> 
> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the Alvio, 
> or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which does 
> shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the reverse 
> movement. Drives me mad!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> Portland OR
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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: 110 BCB CHAIN RINGS

['Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 he last item as NOT 30 it is 34 teeth
So sorry for mistake 
Charlie 


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> $15 EACH + SHIPPING $16 ALL OR 1 CASH OR USPS MONEY ORDER (POST OFFICE)
>   NO OTHER MONEY ORDER
> NO STEEL   
> 53 TEETH - SUGINO
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> 48T NO NAME
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[RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[J Imler]

I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
Roadlink . May not 
even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, 
but that was an 8 speed.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> HI Rivsters.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
> cassette with an Altus RD?
>
> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
> 11-32 8 speed.
>
> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>
> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>
> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
> that?
>
> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
> Portland OR
>

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[RBW] Shimano Altus low range question

[John Bokman]

HI Rivsters.

I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
cassette with an Altus RD?

I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
11-32 8 speed.

The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 

According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.

Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
that?

I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
reverse movement. Drives me mad!

Thanks,

John
Portland OR

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Re: [RBW] Perfect tires for Clem?

[Ryan Frahm]

I have been running the Soma Cazadero 700x50 (they make 650x50) my Clem H 
for a while now and they have been a very nice all around tire. Just pulled 
them off to put the studded tire on and they still look new after several 
hundred miles. I love the Rene Herse tires though and think they are tough 
to beat. Sand has been the only downfall I’ve encountered on the RH knobby 
tires, they dig in too much to get any traction. The Cazadero has less 
overall grip and floats a bit better in those circumstances. 

I will also say that I loved the Ultradynamico Rose I had a few years back. 
I had the race and never had any issues with them in some really nasty 
terrain. They were slightly slower on road than the others mentioned. 
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:25:50 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Im running freebies on my clem at the moment, but I think my fantasy setup 
> would be fleecer ridge front and antelope hill rear. I like knobby fronts 
> and smooth rear. Good compromise for rolling resistance, buzz, and trail 
> versatility.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:34:56 AM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of a similar setup for my upcoming 700c Platy build but with 
>> a 50mm rear (with tread similar to your Gravel King SS) and 55mm Fleecer 
>> Ridge up front. 
>>
>> A Rose \ Mars combo would certainly be a step towards a more trail 
>> oriented setup. I've yet to find any written impressions of the Mars on 
>> pavement. The Mars remind me of Continental Race Kings, which I recently 
>> put front and rear on a bike and find decent enough on pavement but seem a 
>> bit noisier than the RH Juniper Ridge I have on the front of another bike. 
>> I'm happy with the Race Kings for mixed use and the Mars was on my short 
>> list for the Platypus - they just lean a bit more to the dirt/trail end of 
>> the spectrum, which may be perfect for your Clem.
>>
>> I was waffling on trying to squeeze a pair of 2.25" Schwalbe Hurricanes 
>> on the Platypus - that one may work well on the Clem. It's wire bead but a 
>> decent weight; and I've seen several reports that it is silent on pavement. 
>> It should handle rougher terrain better than smaller tires and possibly 
>> have some cornering stability due to the side knobs. Still probably not a 
>> tire for hard corners on or off road. Definitely the other end of the 
>> spectrum in terms of tire technology/features/price from RH.
>>
>> Honestly, I don't think any of us expect a multi-surface tire to rail 
>> down trails so it's matter of choosing degrees.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:35:51 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
>>> website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
>>> obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
>>> of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
>>> 650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
>>> foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
>>> sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
>>> Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
>>> Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
>>> are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
>>> the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
>>> on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
>>> Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
>>> "lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
>>> dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
>>> could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
>>> smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
>>> the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
>>> a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily... 
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Re: [RBW] I want to see your Legolases

[Joe Bunik]

Those are ye older White Industries / Sugino 94/58bcd arms (set up
48/30 as a 94 double)... and which directly lead to the significant
Legolas down-time, after one of the chainring bolt "ears" sheared.
Need to up my crank game, too ("WTB Ritchey 94 metoo!")

Joe

On 11/1/22, Nikko Mendoza  wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I think that looks sick. And these Minimotos are some of the best braking
> brakes i've used (other than disc hydros). I'd definitelt suggws them, but
> I'd say building to fit a certain (mtype of riding will help you accept the
> bike for what it is... a cross bike.  I came to terms that I like going
> fast, and I don't like technical dirt. This bike is perfect for that!
>
> What cranks are those? They look like the 110bcd Ritchey Logic cranks. I'm
> on the hunt for some 94bcd Ritchey Compact cranks at the moment.
>
> Nikko
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 12:36 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>>
>> Nikko,
>>
>> Here's mine from back in its glory days - I really should put some
>> wrench time into getting back into a serviceable shape.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/z8k1NT
>>
>> V-brakes might be what it takes for it to win me back but, TBH - I've
>> never been completely happy with the tire clearances / rubber
>> selections I've made, either - 700x42 is the max but x38 with knobs is
>> more realistic.
>>
>> Such a beautiful/great riding/lightweight frame otherwise! Just need
>> to acknowledge that it's a cross bike before anything else, not really
>> the end-all/be-all dirt banger.
>>
>> Joe Bunik
>> Walnut Creek, CA
>>
>>> On 11/1/22, Nikko in Oakland  wrote:
>>> yup, these are the UD 700x42mm Rosés, and certainly the biggest tire I
>>> can
>>> fit on the bike comfortably. I also think the bike really feels at home
>>> on
>>> 700x38mm tires, but I don't like the cornering control on steilacoom
>>> tires
>>> vs the Rosés, so I'm sticking to that. If I have to move to slicks in
>>> the
>>> roadie form, I'll probably stick to gravel king/RH 700x35 or 700x38mm
>>> slicks.
>>>
 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 All of these bikes are gorgeous. How is the clearance with the 42's?
 The

 legolas is a dream bike for me but have always been curious how wide
 you
 can go if you push it a little.

 Brian

> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:24:43 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland
> wrote:

> oh i'm silly. that was a typo!
>
> keeping the RH cranks but changing to Athena 11s shifters and mechs.
>
> and tires, yes. initially i had Steilacoom/Barlow Pass (700x38mm),
> then
> when i made this my dedicated dirt ride, put on the UD Rosè (700x42mm)
> and
> they roll surprisingly well. i also like the cornering control in dirt
> better than Steilacooms AND they corner well on the road too!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:02 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> First of all, that bike is gorgeous. Athena cranks are swell but the
> RH
>
> on there is perfect! But, talk about your tires. Rose’?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 31, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nikko in Oakland 
> wrote:
>
> Hey y'all,
>
> I recently had to let go of one bike, and the Legolas survived the
> cut.
> Now, I'm revamping my legolas to be more road-oriented while still
> dirt
> capable. RIght now, I have 10speed Bar End shifters, RH 46/30t cranks,
> and
> an 11-36t cassette. It's plenty roadie enough, but I am getting a set
> of
>
> Athena 11 speed cranks to lean a little bit more into roadie-ness, and
> throwing on an 11-34t cassette to still stay dirt capable.
>
> But I am here because I need build inspiration. Can y'all share pics
> of
> your legolas in it's *fastest *state? me first, ya?
>
> I rotated the bars downward a little bit since this photo, but you get
> the idea.
>
> [image: IMG_9561.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] I want to see your Legolases

[Nikko Mendoza]

Joe,

I think that looks sick. And these Minimotos are some of the best braking 
brakes i've used (other than disc hydros). I'd definitelt suggws them, but I'd 
say building to fit a certain (mtype of riding will help you accept the bike 
for what it is... a cross bike.  I came to terms that I like going fast, and I 
don't like technical dirt. This bike is perfect for that! 

What cranks are those? They look like the 110bcd Ritchey Logic cranks. I'm on 
the hunt for some 94bcd Ritchey Compact cranks at the moment. 

Nikko
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 12:36 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> 
> Nikko,
> 
> Here's mine from back in its glory days - I really should put some
> wrench time into getting back into a serviceable shape.
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/z8k1NT
> 
> V-brakes might be what it takes for it to win me back but, TBH - I've
> never been completely happy with the tire clearances / rubber
> selections I've made, either - 700x42 is the max but x38 with knobs is
> more realistic.
> 
> Such a beautiful/great riding/lightweight frame otherwise! Just need
> to acknowledge that it's a cross bike before anything else, not really
> the end-all/be-all dirt banger.
> 
> Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
> 
>> On 11/1/22, Nikko in Oakland  wrote:
>> yup, these are the UD 700x42mm Rosés, and certainly the biggest tire I can
>> fit on the bike comfortably. I also think the bike really feels at home on
>> 700x38mm tires, but I don't like the cornering control on steilacoom tires
>> vs the Rosés, so I'm sticking to that. If I have to move to slicks in the
>> roadie form, I'll probably stick to gravel king/RH 700x35 or 700x38mm
>> slicks.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> All of these bikes are gorgeous. How is the clearance with the 42's?  The
>>> 
>>> legolas is a dream bike for me but have always been curious how wide you
>>> can go if you push it a little.
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:24:43 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>> 
 oh i'm silly. that was a typo!
 
 keeping the RH cranks but changing to Athena 11s shifters and mechs.
 
 and tires, yes. initially i had Steilacoom/Barlow Pass (700x38mm), then
 when i made this my dedicated dirt ride, put on the UD Rosè (700x42mm)
 and
 they roll surprisingly well. i also like the cornering control in dirt
 better than Steilacooms AND they corner well on the road too!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:02 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
 
 First of all, that bike is gorgeous. Athena cranks are swell but the RH
 
 on there is perfect! But, talk about your tires. Rose’?
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 31, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nikko in Oakland 
 wrote:
 
 Hey y'all,
 
 I recently had to let go of one bike, and the Legolas survived the cut.
 Now, I'm revamping my legolas to be more road-oriented while still dirt
 capable. RIght now, I have 10speed Bar End shifters, RH 46/30t cranks,
 and
 an 11-36t cassette. It's plenty roadie enough, but I am getting a set of
 
 Athena 11 speed cranks to lean a little bit more into roadie-ness, and
 throwing on an 11-34t cassette to still stay dirt capable.
 
 But I am here because I need build inspiration. Can y'all share pics of
 your legolas in it's *fastest *state? me first, ya?
 
 I rotated the bars downward a little bit since this photo, but you get
 the idea.
 
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Re: [RBW] I want to see your Legolases

[Joe Bunik]

Nikko,

Here's mine from back in its glory days - I really should put some
wrench time into getting back into a serviceable shape.

https://flic.kr/p/z8k1NT

V-brakes might be what it takes for it to win me back but, TBH - I've
never been completely happy with the tire clearances / rubber
selections I've made, either - 700x42 is the max but x38 with knobs is
more realistic.

Such a beautiful/great riding/lightweight frame otherwise! Just need
to acknowledge that it's a cross bike before anything else, not really
the end-all/be-all dirt banger.

Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 11/1/22, Nikko in Oakland  wrote:
> yup, these are the UD 700x42mm Rosés, and certainly the biggest tire I can
> fit on the bike comfortably. I also think the bike really feels at home on
> 700x38mm tires, but I don't like the cornering control on steilacoom tires
> vs the Rosés, so I'm sticking to that. If I have to move to slicks in the
> roadie form, I'll probably stick to gravel king/RH 700x35 or 700x38mm
> slicks.
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> All of these bikes are gorgeous. How is the clearance with the 42's?  The
>>
>> legolas is a dream bike for me but have always been curious how wide you
>> can go if you push it a little.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:24:43 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>
>>> oh i'm silly. that was a typo!
>>>
>>> keeping the RH cranks but changing to Athena 11s shifters and mechs.
>>>
>>> and tires, yes. initially i had Steilacoom/Barlow Pass (700x38mm), then
>>> when i made this my dedicated dirt ride, put on the UD Rosè (700x42mm)
>>> and
>>> they roll surprisingly well. i also like the cornering control in dirt
>>> better than Steilacooms AND they corner well on the road too!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:02 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all, that bike is gorgeous. Athena cranks are swell but the RH
>>>
>>> on there is perfect! But, talk about your tires. Rose’?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nikko in Oakland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey y'all,
>>>
>>> I recently had to let go of one bike, and the Legolas survived the cut.
>>> Now, I'm revamping my legolas to be more road-oriented while still dirt
>>> capable. RIght now, I have 10speed Bar End shifters, RH 46/30t cranks,
>>> and
>>> an 11-36t cassette. It's plenty roadie enough, but I am getting a set of
>>>
>>> Athena 11 speed cranks to lean a little bit more into roadie-ness, and
>>> throwing on an 11-34t cassette to still stay dirt capable.
>>>
>>> But I am here because I need build inspiration. Can y'all share pics of
>>> your legolas in it's *fastest *state? me first, ya?
>>>
>>> I rotated the bars downward a little bit since this photo, but you get
>>> the idea.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9561.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Mackenzy Albright]

I found a NOS set of AVID SL's and they're incredible. Not "silver" but 
at-least not black. I forgot how good Avid SD7 and SL's are. 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:20:29 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The problem with Paul levers is they make everything else feel 
> not-so-great. I have Pauls (long pull) on my Riv Custom and every time I 
> hop on my Bike Friday with Avid levers... atrocious! 
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:56:49 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have the Paul’s on my Sam and while they were pricey and I kicked 
>> myself for spending that much on levers, they are definitely “forever” 
>> levers. They have a feel to them that no other lever I’ve tried can match. 
>> Those in combination with Mini-Motos and the brakes are almost “too” good. 
>> I had to loosen the cables so I don’t instantly lock up my wheels. They are 
>> hands down my favorite levers. Seems like there’s a pun in there somewhere. 
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry folks, just to clarify I have a pair of the Tektro levers that I 
>> am looking to offhaul, not the Pauls sadly!
>>
>>
>> Collin, vaguely speaking, in Sacramento
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:36:23 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> And I have a used pair collecting dust that I'm looking to offhaul :)
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say they are the same quality, though, and you'll be hard to 
>>> find something of the same quality, but cheaper (except for the IRD levers 
>>> that soma sells, but those are still $100+). Part of the reason the Pauls 
>>> are so nice is because they have bearings instead of pivots, that alone is 
>>> hard to find.
>>>
>>> Collin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
 . Quite comfortable and 
 stylish IMO.

 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:

> I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
> upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
> options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  
> Looking 
> for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
> Pauls.  Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Joe Mullins]

I agree Joe! I experience the same thing—so much so that I have to continually 
remind myself that I don’t need Paul levers on all the bikes. Definitely a 
slippery slope!



> On Nov 1, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> The problem with Paul levers is they make everything else feel not-so-great. 
> I have Pauls (long pull) on my Riv Custom and every time I hop on my Bike 
> Friday with Avid levers... atrocious! 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:56:49 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have the Paul’s on my Sam and while they were pricey and I kicked myself 
> for spending that much on levers, they are definitely “forever” levers. They 
> have a feel to them that no other lever I’ve tried can match. Those in 
> combination with Mini-Motos and the brakes are almost “too” good. I had to 
> loosen the cables so I don’t instantly lock up my wheels. They are hands down 
> my favorite levers. Seems like there’s a pun in there somewhere. 
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Collin A > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry folks, just to clarify I have a pair of the Tektro levers that I am 
>> looking to offhaul, not the Pauls sadly!
> 
>> 
>> Collin, vaguely speaking, in Sacramento
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:36:23 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>> And I have a used pair collecting dust that I'm looking to offhaul :)
>> 
>> I wouldn't say they are the same quality, though, and you'll be hard to find 
>> something of the same quality, but cheaper (except for the IRD levers that 
>> soma sells, but those are still $100+). Part of the reason the Pauls are so 
>> nice is because they have bearings instead of pivots, that alone is hard to 
>> find.
>> 
>> Collin
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>> For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
>> . Quite comfortable and stylish 
>> IMO.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:
>> I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
>> upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
>> options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  Looking 
>> for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
>> Pauls.  Thanks!
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Perfect tires for Clem?

[Mackenzy Albright]

Im running freebies on my clem at the moment, but I think my fantasy setup 
would be fleecer ridge front and antelope hill rear. I like knobby fronts 
and smooth rear. Good compromise for rolling resistance, buzz, and trail 
versatility.  

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:34:56 AM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> I'm thinking of a similar setup for my upcoming 700c Platy build but with 
> a 50mm rear (with tread similar to your Gravel King SS) and 55mm Fleecer 
> Ridge up front. 
>
> A Rose \ Mars combo would certainly be a step towards a more trail 
> oriented setup. I've yet to find any written impressions of the Mars on 
> pavement. The Mars remind me of Continental Race Kings, which I recently 
> put front and rear on a bike and find decent enough on pavement but seem a 
> bit noisier than the RH Juniper Ridge I have on the front of another bike. 
> I'm happy with the Race Kings for mixed use and the Mars was on my short 
> list for the Platypus - they just lean a bit more to the dirt/trail end of 
> the spectrum, which may be perfect for your Clem.
>
> I was waffling on trying to squeeze a pair of 2.25" Schwalbe Hurricanes on 
> the Platypus - that one may work well on the Clem. It's wire bead but a 
> decent weight; and I've seen several reports that it is silent on pavement. 
> It should handle rougher terrain better than smaller tires and possibly 
> have some cornering stability due to the side knobs. Still probably not a 
> tire for hard corners on or off road. Definitely the other end of the 
> spectrum in terms of tire technology/features/price from RH.
>
> Honestly, I don't think any of us expect a multi-surface tire to rail down 
> trails so it's matter of choosing degrees.
>
> - Dave
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:35:51 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
>> website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
>> obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
>> of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
>> 650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
>> foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
>> sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
>> Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
>> Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
>> are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
>> the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
>> on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
>> Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
>> "lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
>> dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
>> could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
>> smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
>> the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
>> a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily... 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Joe Bernard]

The problem with Paul levers is they make everything else feel 
not-so-great. I have Pauls (long pull) on my Riv Custom and every time I 
hop on my Bike Friday with Avid levers... atrocious! 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:56:49 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have the Paul’s on my Sam and while they were pricey and I kicked myself 
> for spending that much on levers, they are definitely “forever” levers. 
> They have a feel to them that no other lever I’ve tried can match. Those in 
> combination with Mini-Motos and the brakes are almost “too” good. I had to 
> loosen the cables so I don’t instantly lock up my wheels. They are hands 
> down my favorite levers. Seems like there’s a pun in there somewhere. 
>
> Joe
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Sorry folks, just to clarify I have a pair of the Tektro levers that I am 
> looking to offhaul, not the Pauls sadly!
>
>
> Collin, vaguely speaking, in Sacramento
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:36:23 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> And I have a used pair collecting dust that I'm looking to offhaul :)
>>
>> I wouldn't say they are the same quality, though, and you'll be hard to 
>> find something of the same quality, but cheaper (except for the IRD levers 
>> that soma sells, but those are still $100+). Part of the reason the Pauls 
>> are so nice is because they have bearings instead of pivots, that alone is 
>> hard to find.
>>
>> Collin
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
>>> . Quite comfortable and 
>>> stylish IMO.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:
>>>
 I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
 upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
 options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  
 Looking 
 for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
 Pauls.  Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] I want to see your Legolases

[Nikko in Oakland]

yup, these are the UD 700x42mm Rosés, and certainly the biggest tire I can 
fit on the bike comfortably. I also think the bike really feels at home on 
700x38mm tires, but I don't like the cornering control on steilacoom tires 
vs the Rosés, so I'm sticking to that. If I have to move to slicks in the 
roadie form, I'll probably stick to gravel king/RH 700x35 or 700x38mm 
slicks. 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> All of these bikes are gorgeous. How is the clearance with the 42's?  The 
> legolas is a dream bike for me but have always been curious how wide you 
> can go if you push it a little.
>
> Brian
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:24:43 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> oh i'm silly. that was a typo! 
>>
>> keeping the RH cranks but changing to Athena 11s shifters and mechs. 
>>
>> and tires, yes. initially i had Steilacoom/Barlow Pass (700x38mm), then 
>> when i made this my dedicated dirt ride, put on the UD Rosè (700x42mm) and 
>> they roll surprisingly well. i also like the cornering control in dirt 
>> better than Steilacooms AND they corner well on the road too!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:02 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> First of all, that bike is gorgeous. Athena cranks are swell but the RH 
>> on there is perfect! But, talk about your tires. Rose’?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nikko in Oakland  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey y'all, 
>>
>> I recently had to let go of one bike, and the Legolas survived the cut. 
>> Now, I'm revamping my legolas to be more road-oriented while still dirt 
>> capable. RIght now, I have 10speed Bar End shifters, RH 46/30t cranks, and 
>> an 11-36t cassette. It's plenty roadie enough, but I am getting a set of 
>> Athena 11 speed cranks to lean a little bit more into roadie-ness, and 
>> throwing on an 11-34t cassette to still stay dirt capable. 
>>
>> But I am here because I need build inspiration. Can y'all share pics of 
>> your legolas in it's *fastest *state? me first, ya?
>>
>> I rotated the bars downward a little bit since this photo, but you get 
>> the idea. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_9561.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] I want to see your Legolases

[Brian Forsee]

All of these bikes are gorgeous. How is the clearance with the 42's?  The 
legolas is a dream bike for me but have always been curious how wide you 
can go if you push it a little.

Brian

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:24:43 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> oh i'm silly. that was a typo! 
>
> keeping the RH cranks but changing to Athena 11s shifters and mechs. 
>
> and tires, yes. initially i had Steilacoom/Barlow Pass (700x38mm), then 
> when i made this my dedicated dirt ride, put on the UD Rosè (700x42mm) and 
> they roll surprisingly well. i also like the cornering control in dirt 
> better than Steilacooms AND they corner well on the road too!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:02 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> First of all, that bike is gorgeous. Athena cranks are swell but the RH 
> on there is perfect! But, talk about your tires. Rose’?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 31, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nikko in Oakland  wrote:
>
> Hey y'all, 
>
> I recently had to let go of one bike, and the Legolas survived the cut. 
> Now, I'm revamping my legolas to be more road-oriented while still dirt 
> capable. RIght now, I have 10speed Bar End shifters, RH 46/30t cranks, and 
> an 11-36t cassette. It's plenty roadie enough, but I am getting a set of 
> Athena 11 speed cranks to lean a little bit more into roadie-ness, and 
> throwing on an 11-34t cassette to still stay dirt capable. 
>
> But I am here because I need build inspiration. Can y'all share pics of 
> your legolas in it's *fastest *state? me first, ya?
>
> I rotated the bars downward a little bit since this photo, but you get the 
> idea. 
>
> [image: IMG_9561.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Ryan]

I'm using these on my mixte with Paul Racers. Not as pricey as Paul brake 
levers, but I think they're nice looking and fairly versatile. And $45.00. 
Will work with any rim brake except V-brakes and any bar except 
drops/Alba/Mustache

https://www.rivbike.com/products/dia-compe-ss-6-mtb-silver-brake-levers 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:56:49 AM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have the Paul’s on my Sam and while they were pricey and I kicked myself 
> for spending that much on levers, they are definitely “forever” levers. 
> They have a feel to them that no other lever I’ve tried can match. Those in 
> combination with Mini-Motos and the brakes are almost “too” good. I had to 
> loosen the cables so I don’t instantly lock up my wheels. They are hands 
> down my favorite levers. Seems like there’s a pun in there somewhere. 
>
> Joe
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Sorry folks, just to clarify I have a pair of the Tektro levers that I am 
> looking to offhaul, not the Pauls sadly!
>
>
> Collin, vaguely speaking, in Sacramento
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:36:23 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> And I have a used pair collecting dust that I'm looking to offhaul :)
>>
>> I wouldn't say they are the same quality, though, and you'll be hard to 
>> find something of the same quality, but cheaper (except for the IRD levers 
>> that soma sells, but those are still $100+). Part of the reason the Pauls 
>> are so nice is because they have bearings instead of pivots, that alone is 
>> hard to find.
>>
>> Collin
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
>>> . Quite comfortable and 
>>> stylish IMO.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:
>>>
 I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
 upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
 options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  
 Looking 
 for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
 Pauls.  Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect tires for Clem?

[DavidP]

I'm thinking of a similar setup for my upcoming 700c Platy build but with a 
50mm rear (with tread similar to your Gravel King SS) and 55mm Fleecer 
Ridge up front. 

A Rose \ Mars combo would certainly be a step towards a more trail oriented 
setup. I've yet to find any written impressions of the Mars on pavement. 
The Mars remind me of Continental Race Kings, which I recently put front 
and rear on a bike and find decent enough on pavement but seem a bit 
noisier than the RH Juniper Ridge I have on the front of another bike. I'm 
happy with the Race Kings for mixed use and the Mars was on my short list 
for the Platypus - they just lean a bit more to the dirt/trail end of the 
spectrum, which may be perfect for your Clem.

I was waffling on trying to squeeze a pair of 2.25" Schwalbe Hurricanes on 
the Platypus - that one may work well on the Clem. It's wire bead but a 
decent weight; and I've seen several reports that it is silent on pavement. 
It should handle rougher terrain better than smaller tires and possibly 
have some cornering stability due to the side knobs. Still probably not a 
tire for hard corners on or off road. Definitely the other end of the 
spectrum in terms of tire technology/features/price from RH.

Honestly, I don't think any of us expect a multi-surface tire to rail down 
trails so it's matter of choosing degrees.

- Dave

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> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
> website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
> obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
> of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
> 650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
> foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
> sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
> Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
> Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
> are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
> the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
> on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
> Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
> "lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
> dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
> could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
> smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
> the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
> a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily... 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh what fun it was.  I was there for Saturday only .  The hugs and laughs 
were good all around from the RivSisters to Riv guys and new friends.  When 
someone came up to our lunch table and asked if we were the Riv table we 
all chuckled.  It was just a good time.  I will plan on  coming next year 
and getting a room so I can spend 2 nights and more laughs.  Thank you Leah 
for your excellent reportage.  I wish we had video of Pam's presentation 
because it was a smile a minute and worthy of late night TV.
Kate (with my big energy and expressive green eyes which I'll take as a 
compliment as per Leah) 

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 8:28:22 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Thank you for sharing the Philly Bike Expo stories. I too liked the Carbon 
> Guy story. He probably is telling folks about the Steel ladies he sat with 
> and I wonder if he is rethinking his bike??? Doubt it but maybe he will 
> give steel a try! Leah, you have a gift of writing! I feel like I was there 
> almost. I rode this evening after work in what felt like London with the 
> mist, cool damp air and swirling wind. The Clem made it fun and I covered 
> 28 miles with no discomfort at all. Steel is real and Rivendells are swell. 
> haha
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 4:09:47 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Such great stories and pics! I love Pam and The Carbon Guy, I could 
>> picture the whole thing and hear it in Pam's voice, so delicious 
>>
>> You're so right about kickstands, I pulled mine off the custom for a 
>> while in a ridiculous journey towards "make it lighter" and it was sheer 
>> misery. The kickstand is back! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:15:04 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What Pam is not telling you is that I would have to figure out how to do 
>>> it from her 2007 Apple iPod, with its geriatric operating system, lol! I 
>>> did do a mini Instagram takeover of her account but gave up fairly soon 
>>> because it was 1 am and also because it was WORK to post from that device! 
>>> Pam, I know it might kill you to get an iPhone, but I think it might be 
>>> time. 
>>>
>>> Glad your last night went well; next year just get a room with me and we 
>>> can do all the IG takeovers and stay up too late and always have a riding 
>>> partner to get to our room.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Pam Bikes  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have pictures but Leah will need to tell me how to post them.  And 
>>> I'm at the airport.  Somehow I slept ok b/c I was so tired from the prior 
>>> days.  So much fun!  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:25:02 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 (Do not read until you watch the scandalous video Leah posted above.)

 Scandalous? Perhaps.  Or not.

  I asked Will and he cannot get the seat high enough, so biking on 
 those “sucks the fun out of biking” city bikes hurt his knees with the 
 saddle too low, and one of those bikes in the video helps. James and Vince 
 needed to keep up. 

 On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:26:12 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Scandalous video of the Rivendell staff:
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[RBW] Mamachari, rider experience, ride quality, etc.

[Matt Maceda]

Hello! Does anyone have any experience with a "mamachari"? For anyone not 
knowing; Introducing the Mamachari 
.
A Bridgestone Wedgerock 27" popped up in my zone and I was wondering if 
anyone had any bike of this type in their collection. I like the idea of 
this tough, utilitarian bike, mostly designed to live outside in the 
elements. I'm not afraid of 27" wheels or the heavy weight. What's your 
take on the mamachari?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Joe Mullins]

I have the Paul’s on my Sam and while they were pricey and I kicked myself for spending that much on levers, they are definitely “forever” levers. They have a feel to them that no other lever I’ve tried can match. Those in combination with Mini-Motos and the brakes are almost “too” good. I had to loosen the cables so I don’t instantly lock up my wheels. They are hands down my favorite levers. Seems like there’s a pun in there somewhere. JoeOn Nov 1, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Collin A  wrote:Sorry folks, just to clarify I have a pair of the Tektro levers that I am looking to offhaul, not the Pauls sadly!Collin, vaguely speaking, in SacramentoOn Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:36:23 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:And I have a used pair collecting dust that I'm looking to offhaul :)I wouldn't say they are the same quality, though, and you'll be hard to find something of the same quality, but cheaper (except for the IRD levers that soma sells, but those are still $100+). Part of the reason the Pauls are so nice is because they have bearings instead of pivots, that alone is hard to find.CollinOn Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers. Quite comfortable and stylish IMO.On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  Looking for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the Pauls.  Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Collin A]

Sorry folks, just to clarify I have a pair of the Tektro levers that I am 
looking to offhaul, not the Pauls sadly!

Collin, vaguely speaking, in Sacramento

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:36:23 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> And I have a used pair collecting dust that I'm looking to offhaul :)
>
> I wouldn't say they are the same quality, though, and you'll be hard to 
> find something of the same quality, but cheaper (except for the IRD levers 
> that soma sells, but those are still $100+). Part of the reason the Pauls 
> are so nice is because they have bearings instead of pivots, that alone is 
> hard to find.
>
> Collin
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
>> . Quite comfortable and 
>> stylish IMO.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
>>> upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
>>> options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  Looking 
>>> for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
>>> Pauls.  Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Collin A]

And I have a used pair collecting dust that I'm looking to offhaul :)

I wouldn't say they are the same quality, though, and you'll be hard to 
find something of the same quality, but cheaper (except for the IRD levers 
that soma sells, but those are still $100+). Part of the reason the Pauls 
are so nice is because they have bearings instead of pivots, that alone is 
hard to find.

Collin

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
> . Quite comfortable and stylish 
> IMO.
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:
>
>> I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
>> upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
>> options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  Looking 
>> for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
>> Pauls.  Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Ryan Frahm]

IRD has some nice looking levers, not cheap but cheaper than Paul.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com 
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> For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
> . Quite comfortable and stylish 
> IMO.
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:
>
>> I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
>> upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
>> options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  Looking 
>> for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
>> Pauls.  Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Nick Anderson]

For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
. Quite comfortable and stylish 
IMO.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:

> I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
> upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
> options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  Looking 
> for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
> Pauls.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[BobW]

I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  Looking 
for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
Pauls.  Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Faceplate Quill Stems, Crust Shaka Bar, Paul Neo Retros

[Conway Bennett]

Paul Neo Retro brakes are sold.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022, 9:58 AM maxcr  wrote:

> PM sent
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:17:02 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> The Crust parts are sold, but everything remains despite a good amount of
>> interest, even though some of that interest was spammy.
>>
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway Bennett
>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 3:31 PM Conway Bennett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Surprisingly, the Paul Neo Retro brakes are still available.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:59:24 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:
>>>
 Crust bar and stem are sold to a patient list member.

 Pictures of the bags I mentioned:

 https://photos.app.goo.gl/LyZRec5Bp88iBoJv5


 On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:54:48 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland
 wrote:

> PMed - what's the length of the Crust X Nitto UI-12?
>
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 4:51:30 AM UTC-7
> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bumping this.  Sorry to folks who replied and then got a delayed
>> direct response -- Google Groups replies are going to spam.  Below are
>> images of the Crust and Paul stuff.  I also have three bags I'm posting
>> later today: a Rivendell Brand V bar bag, a royal blue Rivendell 
>> Sackville
>> Banana Sack, and a Revelate Designs Mountain Feedbag
>>
>> Crust items:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/H6wqoqZ4x4XZXFQCA
>>
>> Paul Neo Retro brakes:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RxopQho1TfVWWqxZA
>>
>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 2:56:32 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm moving to a 31.8 faceplate stem and v brake ecosystem across all
>>> of my bikes for universal compatibility, so I have the following up for
>>> grabs:
>>>
>>> Crust x Nitto UI 12 Quill Stem with 26.0 clamp $75
>>>
>>> Nitto UI 12 Quill Stem with 10 cm extension and 31.8 clamp $70
>>>
>>> Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebar 26.0 clamp 54 cm wide $115
>>>
>>> One bikes worth of Paul Neo Retro brakes with Moon Units and Short
>>> Nitto Rear Cable Hanger.  All hardware is accounted for, but these not 
>>> come
>>> with brake pads.  I will also include some extra Paul bits I have.  $170
>>>
>>> I also have an all but new set of Skinwall Specialized Sawtooth
>>> 2Bliss tires in 650 x 48 I tried and liked, but I prefer Schwalbe G One
>>> Speed tires.
>>>
>>> Prices are net to me, and I would prefer local sales.  For shipping,
>>> I recommend buying it through pirate ship and then emailing me the 
>>> label.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Conway
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[Eric Marth]

That's a nice mixte, Paul, thanks for sharing. 

Is that a Suntour Compe-V high normal front derailer? I *love* the cage on 
those but don't think I'd be down for the high normal arrangement. 

That's something that hasn't come up in all our discussions of rapid rise, 
the few high-normal front mechs out there! 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Nice looking mixte Paul. I see you have an Uno seat post as well. As I 
> recall the Shogun had an odd size, not too many options to chose from.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:16 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got the 1973 Nishiki low step 22" frame going and it's a nice riding 
>> bike.
>>
>> I have a tan saddle on the way and a few other changes planned.
>>
>> Remarkable to think it will be 50 years old next year and going strong.
>>
>> When I get too decrepit to straddle a diamond frame perhaps I can 
>> straddle this. 
>> Ha! 
>> Or acquire a low step Riv.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas.
>> .
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[JohnS]

Nice looking mixte Paul. I see you have an Uno seat post as well. As I 
recall the Shogun had an odd size, not too many options to chose from.

JohnS

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:16 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I've got the 1973 Nishiki low step 22" frame going and it's a nice riding 
> bike.
>
> I have a tan saddle on the way and a few other changes planned.
>
> Remarkable to think it will be 50 years old next year and going strong.
>
> When I get too decrepit to straddle a diamond frame perhaps I can straddle 
> this. 
> Ha! 
> Or acquire a low step Riv.
>
> Paul in Dallas.
> .
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Faceplate Quill Stems, Crust Shaka Bar, Paul Neo Retros

[maxcr]

PM sent

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:17:02 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> The Crust parts are sold, but everything remains despite a good amount of 
> interest, even though some of that interest was spammy.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 3:31 PM Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
>> Surprisingly, the Paul Neo Retro brakes are still available.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:59:24 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> Crust bar and stem are sold to a patient list member.
>>>
>>> Pictures of the bags I mentioned:
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LyZRec5Bp88iBoJv5
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:54:48 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 PMed - what's the length of the Crust X Nitto UI-12?

 On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 4:51:30 AM UTC-7 
 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bumping this.  Sorry to folks who replied and then got a delayed 
> direct response -- Google Groups replies are going to spam.  Below are 
> images of the Crust and Paul stuff.  I also have three bags I'm posting 
> later today: a Rivendell Brand V bar bag, a royal blue Rivendell 
> Sackville 
> Banana Sack, and a Revelate Designs Mountain Feedbag
>
> Crust items:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/H6wqoqZ4x4XZXFQCA
>
> Paul Neo Retro brakes:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RxopQho1TfVWWqxZA
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 2:56:32 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:
>
>> I'm moving to a 31.8 faceplate stem and v brake ecosystem across all 
>> of my bikes for universal compatibility, so I have the following up for 
>> grabs:
>>
>> Crust x Nitto UI 12 Quill Stem with 26.0 clamp $75
>>
>> Nitto UI 12 Quill Stem with 10 cm extension and 31.8 clamp $70
>>
>> Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebar 26.0 clamp 54 cm wide $115
>>
>> One bikes worth of Paul Neo Retro brakes with Moon Units and Short 
>> Nitto Rear Cable Hanger.  All hardware is accounted for, but these not 
>> come 
>> with brake pads.  I will also include some extra Paul bits I have.  $170
>>
>> I also have an all but new set of Skinwall Specialized Sawtooth 
>> 2Bliss tires in 650 x 48 I tried and liked, but I prefer Schwalbe G One 
>> Speed tires.
>>
>> Prices are net to me, and I would prefer local sales.  For shipping, 
>> I recommend buying it through pirate ship and then emailing me the label.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Conway
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[RBW] Re: I want to see your Legolases

[reynoldslugs]

Here's mine.  Sugino OX-901 crankset with 24/38 chainrings, Barlow Pass 
tires, Paul Cantis, and a little Campagnolo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157645542691980

best,

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 8:53:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Here's mine right when I built it.  I've since switched it to a SRAM 
> Brifter and Force RD.  It's still 1x10.  I often run Bon Jon Pass slicks on 
> it, for full roadie configuration.  I did a 200k brevet on it last year.  
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/41456581981/in/album-72157665762529407/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:13:10 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> Oh, and yes, there is a silly build mistake on this bike where my cable 
>> stops are upside down. I know, I know... but I'm rebuilding it soon 
>> anyways, so I'm just living with it. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:09:47 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>
>>> Hey y'all, 
>>>
>>> I recently had to let go of one bike, and the Legolas survived the cut. 
>>> Now, I'm revamping my legolas to be more road-oriented while still dirt 
>>> capable. RIght now, I have 10speed Bar End shifters, RH 46/30t cranks, and 
>>> an 11-36t cassette. It's plenty roadie enough, but I am getting a set of 
>>> Athena 11 speed cranks to lean a little bit more into roadie-ness, and 
>>> throwing on an 11-34t cassette to still stay dirt capable. 
>>>
>>> But I am here because I need build inspiration. Can y'all share pics of 
>>> your legolas in it's *fastest *state? me first, ya?
>>>
>>> I rotated the bars downward a little bit since this photo, but you get 
>>> the idea. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9561.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Perfect tires for Clem?

[Richard Rose]

The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
"lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Ryan Frahm]

I’m really curious what the frameset will end up priced at. And when those 
Ortho bars will be back! Haha. It they were a 25.4 instead of 26 bar clamp 
would make them seemingly perfect. Having to buy them and a new FacePlater 
means I’ll likely have Doom bend me something similar when they start 
taking orders again so I can keep the stem I have. 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:16:28 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here’s a front-on shot of that AI Crust fork crown, if anyone is 
> interested.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Oct 31, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the photo and details. 
>
>
> I don’t think stack will be an issue. It’s obvious made for swept back 
> riser bars (ie Ortho, Bosco, Albatross, etc). Handlebars look about level 
> with the saddle in the picture. I personally have my Romanceur set up with 
> about 1” drop (with Albatross). . 
> I’m looking forward to its release. I don’t do well with super upright 
> riding position( Gus, Suz, Clem). I like the slightly sporty riding 
> position with riser bars. 
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:52:54 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 10502AD6-F020-4485-8CA5-11800239A776.jpeg]
>>
>> This is what my rear clearance looks like 29x2.5 Ehline. I know I know, 
>> take the boot off. Haha. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, it looks to me like steel blades in an aluminum crown - not 
>>> unlike the bontrager composite forks that were popular upgrades in the 
>>> early 90s.  I kind of dig it.  To each his own  but I also really like the 
>>> dropouts.  Reminds me of sturdy bmx forks - as well as early klunker 
>>> upgrade forks - not wallmart.  Clearly I'm swooned by historical references 
>>> though.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:03:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Looks like a torture device. The only thing that rides worse than 
 straight aluminum forks, would be straight aluminum disc forks. I know:
 [image: IMG_0387 (2)s.JPG]

 Laing

 On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:37:11 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Here's a recent teaser photo of the Crust AL bike:
>
> [image: crustbikes-al.jpg]
>
> -Dave (looking at too many bikes while finalizing parts for a Platy 
> build)
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:34:04 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately there are no details yet, just teasers. Supposed to be 
>> something like the purple M2 specialized he’s been riding but with 27.5 
>> up 
>> to 2.6” tire and some tweaks he thinks will make it better. My favorite 
>> rides are mountain goating around and having to carry through sections. 
>> Exploration rides. So the light bike seems like it would be fun for 
>> that. 
>> But there are only 50 frames made for the first run. Made by a guy in 
>> Vermont I think. They will likely sell in seconds. No idea on a price 
>> for 
>> the frame/fork yet so who knows. Similar ugly as sin front dropouts as 
>> the 
>> Wombat is the only downside I could see from the teaser. Looks like 
>> something on a bike from Walmart. There is a picture on the ronsbikes 
>> instagram. 
>>
>> I looked but couldn’t find the full picture I had seen somewhere, 
>> sorry!
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 8:04:21 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I haven’t heard of the Ronnie aluminum ATB. Any details you can 
>>> post? A link? 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 6:26:46 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The only conclusion I can come up with is N+1. I thought, maybe 
 I’ll just sell my Susie, I absolutely love my Clem H. Had to take the 
 Clem 
 apart for service, it’s getting a new fork and a full powder coat job. 
 Tried to throw the 2.5 Ehline from my Susie in just to see. Honestly a 
 bit 
 tight for my comfort. The Susie has tons of tire clearance for mud 
 side to 
 side, I couldn’t get much more height because I’m within 3mm of the 
 brake 
 (rubber boot, without I guess a 2.8 would fit with similar room) in 
 the 
 rear. 

 My Susie rides more lively and (likely the tire size) smooth. 
 Unless I decide to have a custom frame made or go with something from 
 Tanglefoot (71 degree seat tube angle!), I can’t see selling the 
 Susie. I 
 just kinda wish it was 27.5” in my size.  I like the smaller wheel for 
 the 
 exploration riding I do. The Susie has more clearance and the tubes 
 flex a 
 lot to give a nice ride. The Clem is stout and ready for anything. 
 They are 
 both such great bikes, if they fit your bike needs. But, catch me on 
 the 
 right day and a large gold Susie might be for sale!

[RBW] Re: Zero-rise Albatross Bar?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Soma Three Speed bar #2 is fantastic, and while not flat, it’s pretty low 
profile.
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
-Kai

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:45:41 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:

> I'm looking for a handlebar that's very much like the Alba bars but 
> flat/no rise. Essentially an Alba-size porteur. 
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? The Choco bars are close but not quite flat. 
>
> KJ
>
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Re: [RBW] Zero-rise Albatross Bar?

[arthur]

Hi Kieran:

You might try VO Porteur bars...not as much backsweep as either Riv Alba 
bars, but really, really comfortable (both road and mtb versions). They're 
narrower, however. I like them much better than the Albas.

AS

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:

> Yeah, these could work. I wish they came in silver without the logos - not 
> Surly's MO, I suppose.
> I could always invert the Albas I already have, but the aesthetics would 
> drive me nuts :-P
>
> KJ
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> I thought the Surly Open Bar came in both a zero rise variant and a 
>> rise/drop variant.  I know it's not the same shape as the Albatross but 
>> maybe close enough if the zero rise is the bigger priority.
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:16:01 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think there will be anything much closer to a zero rise 
>>> albatross then the albastache. These brake levers work on road bars.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-levers/products/grand-cru-brake-levers
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:12:33 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:
>>>
 I've tried the Albastache before - it's a very different bar with a lot 
 of forward sweep and less backsweep. They also only accept road levers. 


 On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:02:12 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I meant Albastache…
>
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
> Also the Choco’s don’t (can’t remember what it’s called) swoop 
> forward out in front of the stem like the albatross. Maybe mustache bars?
>
>
>
> Joe in Los Angeles
>
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
>
> 
> I'm looking for a handlebar that's very much like the Alba bars but 
> flat/no rise. Essentially an Alba-size porteur. 
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? The Choco bars are close but not quite 
> flat. 
>
> KJ
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