date:20221205

Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, and 
we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! So 
uncool. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
> looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>
> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>
> Here's how it went:
>
>
> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>
> **he replies immediately**
>
> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you 
> to ask that?
>
> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
> for the price you're asking.
>
>
> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
> two messages.*
>
> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>
> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said 
> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>
>
> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>
> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>>
>> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
>> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
>> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
>> it."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>>
>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>>
>>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. 
>>> I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>>
>>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>>
>>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>>
>>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-05 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Hey Masa!

Great question. I currently have a MIT Atlantis set up with cantilevers and 
a rack and larger Maxxis tires (29” x 2.4” in the front and 29” x 2.3” in 
the rear). I’ve found that it’s a pleasurable upright cruiser around San 
Francisco, a real ripper on mtb trails in Marin, and a wonderful commuter. 
I believe that it would fender rather well and be a great bike to do some 
randonneuring as well. The main reason I would get another Riv would be to 
keep thus bike as-is rather than changing it each time I wanted to do more 
road-ish riding with fenders. Then again, fenders and a tire change/second 
wheelset would solve that. 

I have been anxiously awaiting the next lugged iteration of the Roadini. I 
tried Will’s out not long after this last batch and it was a smooth and 
stable bike. Nimble and grounded while being zippy, I immediately wanted to 
build up a road bike around that frame. As is, I’m going to wait it out for 
the next batch of them and see how I feel then.
On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:

> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
> could own.
>
> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>
> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>
> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>
> Masa
>
>
>

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[RBW] How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-05 Thread Masa

Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
could own.

Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
roads? Any definition is welcome.

I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).

I hope you enjoy the topic!

Masa


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a lugged 
Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular. Don't 
doddle! 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>
>> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and fits 
>> as it should.  
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
>>> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My 
>>> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test 
>>> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and 
>>> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
>>> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
>>> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill,

 I'd love the catalog!! 
 Houston Wilson
 Los Angeles, CA

 On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let 
> me 
> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am 
>> obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of 
>> your 
>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
>> until 
>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>
>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>
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Re: [RBW] What frame protection tape do you use with long term success ?

2022-12-05 Thread Kim Hetzel

A big thank-you to one and all as well as to other members that will 
contribute their experiences and suggestions to my post of inquiry what 
frame protection tape you use. I appreciate it. You have been a great help. 

I am going to buying some ISC Surface Protection "Helicopter" Tape and try 
it out. 

Kim Hetzel
in very cold Yelm, WA. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:46:25 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It didn't stick down perfectly and was always in a state of incipient 
> unraveling. 
>
> If you want an almost irremovable tape application for rack tubes, wrap 
> the tubes in 3 layers of cheap electricians' tape and leave it for 5 years.
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 2:43 PM Tom Norton  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,  why didn't  it work on rack tubes? Was it not flexible? 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a package of Ortlieb clear stick-on tape that they call "foil" 
>>> meant to protect painted racks from pannier hooks. Anyone who wants it is 
>>> welcome to it (you be patient and I'll pay postage).
>>>
>>> It might work well for frame protection, but I could not get it to work 
>>> well on rack tubes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 10:09 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>>
 I am considering buying some clear frame protection tape to protect my 
 Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" while it is relatively still new. 
 I did some homework. The brand names that I came up with are:

 *RideWrap kit
 *invisiFRAME 
 *Lizard Skins Clear Protective frame kit
 *3M™ Polyurethane Protective Tape 8671
 *3M Clear Paint Surface Protection Vinyl Film 
 *Effetto Mariposa Shelter Protective Tape

 I am wondering what tape have you used that has weathered exceedingly 
 very well over a very long time from road beausage ?

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA.


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread Eliot Balogh

Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:

> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and fits
> as it should.
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on
>> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My
>> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test
>> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and
>> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd
>> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top
>> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I'd love the catalog!!
>>> Houston Wilson
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've
 stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the
 sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me
 know and I can mail it to whomever.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:

> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing
> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your
> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until
> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>
> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

2022-12-05 Thread Andrew Turner

My N=1 will very soon be the new Roadini with 44mm Snoqualmi EL tires. I'm 
another underbiker and my rides are usually recreational with a fanny 
pack's worth of gear on a lot of broken pavement. It took me a year to 
realize it's everything I wanted in a custom frame since they've upped it's 
appetite for tire capacity and when I saw Will's built up...Oof. As for 
commuting and grocery-getting via bike, I prefer a trusty-rusty fixie to 
lock-it-and-forget-it, so I'd personally steer away from Riv for that, but 
I won't promise the Roadini won't get a basket bestowed upon it one day ;) 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:00:58 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!!  
>
> Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way 
> way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly 
> exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too 
> comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a 
> Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! 
> And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? 
> I’m full of the good ideas.
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:
>
>> My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for 
>> about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in 
>> a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would 
>> be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm 
>> carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)
>>
>> The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference 
>> with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.
>>
>> Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>>
>> Will took it for a spin too:
>>
>> [image: 75290007.jpg]
>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: FAC35277-76B6-4A4C-9309-F0F0D7425C13.jpeg]I do love my Saluki 
>>> that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a 
>>> Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki 
>>> just because of the older styling. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike 
 I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, 
 can 
 carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and 
 climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.

 The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not 
 willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  

 My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to 
 active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear 
 and ride the heck out of it more.  

 This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in 
 being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo 
 wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  

 [image: IMG_0408.JPG]

 Cheers,
 Matt

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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

2022-12-05 Thread Russell Duncan

I’ve used a 2016 Campagnolo Chorus FD with 46 x 34 and 46 x 30 doubles with 
good results. The Chorus derailleur was originally from a 52 x 39 setup. 

Russell Duncan 
Leverett, MA USA

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:46:03 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> For my Rivendell Custom, I use a Dura-Ace FD-7800 (31.8 integral clamp, 
> 10-speed era) with my RenéHERSE 42-26 double. Chain is a Dura-Ace 11 speed 
> (ultrasonically cleaned and waxed), cassette is a Dura-Ace 12-28 11 speed. 
> Rear derailleur is a Dura-Ace RD-7700GS (large pulleys, 9-speed era). 
> Friction shifted with frame mounted Silver-1 shifters. Everything works the 
> way it should. 25 to 95 gear range. Basically a 1x system (40 to 95) on the 
> 42T with a 26T granny bail-out.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:48:03 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally 
>> 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run 
>> on many of my bikes.
>>
>> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact 
>> doubles, like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>>
>> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity 
>> +
>> Hudson Valley NY
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th 
>>> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting 
>>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>>
>>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Aaron and Scott,

 I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 
 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted 
 one 
 so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts 
 beautifully.

 Cheers,
 John

 On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by 
> space between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>
> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for 
> it. 
> Think I just found some direction...
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small 
> reminders are the best.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
>
> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is 
> any trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have 
> a 
> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system 
> is 
> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>
> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful 
> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While 
> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my 
> two 
> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the 
> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia 
> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. 
> The 
> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, 
> and 
> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat 
> their 
> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception. 
>
> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, 
> while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering 
> up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with 
> a 
> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 
>
> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my 
> Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works 
> beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>
> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>
> Cheers, John
> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Jon Freeman

Hello,

I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.

The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 

Here's how it went:

*Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?

**he replies immediately**

*Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you to 
ask that?

*Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
for the price you're asking.

*I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
two messages.*

*Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx

*Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally appropriate 
and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to talk about it 
in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the listing. It’s 
hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious what someone 
posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said is. Is there 
any way you can forward me the significant part of that thread? I’d really 
appreciate it. Thx John

The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 

I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. 
>> I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>
>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>
>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

2022-12-05 Thread J

I'd be interested in seeing an example of the 54mm Noodle bar. I've been 
considering them after breaking in my old MTB musculoskeletal system to be 
more drop bar friendly using the older models of Crust Towel Racks starting 
at the widest and now the most narrow. I'd still throw the Noodle in a vice 
to flair them out a bit further but the shape looks very nice. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:49:17 PM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

> If you like the reach with 9cm stem, I would just swap out the 48's for 
> the 54's.. not a huge difference in width (1 inch per side?).   In fact, I 
> just made this exact switch about a month ago on my 65cm Homer and kept the 
> same stem with no ill effects.  I think this 54 noodle bar strikes a real 
> sweet spot for taller riders like myself who don't necessarily need the 
> full-on wide wide options that have become so popular.  
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'd be inclined to try the stem you have first IF you hadn't mentioned it 
>> already feels a smidge long to you. In this case it's probably not worth 
>> sliding your brand new bars through a stem you're very likely not going to 
>> be happy with, then do it again. I'd get something 2cm shorter at least. 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Everyone!
>>> In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
>>> stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
>>> same...right? 
>>>
>>> I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is pretty 
>>> good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm noodle bar, 
>>> I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts!
>>> Ben in Omaha 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

2022-12-05 Thread Masa

Hi Leah, I would like to ask you how you compare Platypus and Clem Smith Jr 
L.
They both are step-through but I assume that they feel pretty different 
when you ride them.

And yes, what the nice photo of Slin, Clem and the babies!

Masa

2022年12月6日火曜日 7:00:58 UTC+9 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!:

> Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!!  
>
> Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way 
> way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly 
> exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too 
> comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a 
> Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! 
> And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? 
> I’m full of the good ideas.
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:
>
>> My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for 
>> about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in 
>> a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would 
>> be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm 
>> carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)
>>
>> The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference 
>> with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.
>>
>> Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>>
>> Will took it for a spin too:
>>
>> [image: 75290007.jpg]
>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: FAC35277-76B6-4A4C-9309-F0F0D7425C13.jpeg]I do love my Saluki 
>>> that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a 
>>> Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki 
>>> just because of the older styling. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike 
 I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, 
 can 
 carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and 
 climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.

 The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not 
 willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  

 My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to 
 active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear 
 and ride the heck out of it more.  

 This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in 
 being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo 
 wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  

 [image: IMG_0408.JPG]

 Cheers,
 Matt





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[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

2022-12-05 Thread scott minor

If you like the reach with 9cm stem, I would just swap out the 48's for the 
54's.. not a huge difference in width (1 inch per side?).   In fact, I just 
made this exact switch about a month ago on my 65cm Homer and kept the same 
stem with no ill effects.  I think this 54 noodle bar strikes a real sweet 
spot for taller riders like myself who don't necessarily need the full-on 
wide wide options that have become so popular.  
On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'd be inclined to try the stem you have first IF you hadn't mentioned it 
> already feels a smidge long to you. In this case it's probably not worth 
> sliding your brand new bars through a stem you're very likely not going to 
> be happy with, then do it again. I'd get something 2cm shorter at least. 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone!
>> In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
>> stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
>> same...right? 
>>
>> I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is pretty 
>> good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm noodle bar, 
>> I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts!
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

2022-12-05 Thread Kim Hetzel

Thank-you, J.R. for sharing. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:02:16 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kim, I tried the Selle and within a few rides the saddle was loosing all 
> shape and I would have needed to tighten it.  I thought that was a bit too 
> quick so it went back.  It was not the H but the model just before it in 
> their lineup,  but I am only about 145 pounds. 
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:36 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
>> I have a Brooks B67S saddle that I have had for sometime between two 
>> other bikes. It is fairly broken in.  I like the short nose on it. 
>> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L".   It has become futile finding a 
>> seat post with sufficient setback, that measures 29.8mm.  I have been 
>> riding on rivets. 
>> I have moved forward recently in getting the right shim to accept a 
>> 27.2mm seat post. Good news is the used PAUL Tall and Handsome post is 
>> coming in the mail tomorrow. With great hope, my problems will be solved 
>> with sufficient setback. 
>> I am considering on the back burner as future purchase of a Selle 
>> Anatomica H-1 saddle for more of a comfortable ride. 
>>
>> Has anyone used one of the Selle Anatomica saddles for upright riding ?  
>> If so, what is your experience ?
>>
>> Kim (boney butt) Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-8 schralp wrote:
>>
>>> I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months 
>>> for my Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear. 
>>> Flyer not flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be 
>>> pinched, B17 also not flat enough and my old Professional definitely not 
>>> comfortable for upright riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section 
>>> perfect for upright riding and get no impingement on the hamstrings on the 
>>> downstroke. The springs provide just enough give rocking back and forth at 
>>> my weight (175#) but do not dampen much vibration. Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years 
 ago by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...

 On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co 
 wrote:

> After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! 
> I have two.
>
> I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in 
> fast, however.
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>
>> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and 
>> they don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST 
>> upright saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. 
>> The 
>> Holy Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>>
>> Michael M
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>>
>>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>>
>>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've 
>>> heard is excellent quality.
>>>
>>> Anything else to consider?
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

I know! I was responding to Matthew, too, plus just having my Deep Thought 
about all the things. Joe Bernard, Deep Thinker! 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:19:44 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I was pulling your pant leg...yank, yank
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:16:40 PM MST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Most Riv owners know this site, I imagine he's seen the thread. 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
> Joe told him![image: Emoji]
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:00:25 PM MST, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
>  . . . and the ad’s been deleted.
>
> Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the 
> damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
>
> Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to 
> preempt more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
>
> Happy Holidays everyone!!!
>
> I love my country...
>
> Scott in frozen ground Montana
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> It wasn't me! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
> to capture the bent ends.
>
> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>
> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>
> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>
> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

I was pulling your pant leg...yank, yank

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:16:40 PM MST, Joe Bernard
wrote:

Most Riv owners know this site, I imagine he's seen the thread.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

Joe told him!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:00:25 PM MST, Matthew Williams
wrote:

. . . and the ad’s been deleted.
Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.

On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch
wrote:
I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the
damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to preempt
more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
Happy Holidays everyone!!!
I love my country...
Scott in frozen ground Montana

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard
wrote:

It wasn't me!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
"This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches but
please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, but a very
reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed it."

On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
Well that's one way to put it!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried to
capture the bent ends.
With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I know
it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the original ad
photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and from the build
components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the chainstay wrap,
and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I waited for BikeFlights
to process my claim, and from the seller's confirmation he obtained the bike
from the non-profit to which I sent it.

Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. Note
the touchup paint on the fork.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

2022-12-05 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Kim,
I listed here for sale a black Selle Anatomica H-2 in mint condition.
I'm in no hurry to sell it. If you want to PM me, I'd be happy to send it to
you as a loaner to try as a baseline. Maybe trying it for a spell would help
you refine your saddle search.

Scott

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:09:30 PM MST, J S
wrote:

Kim, I tried the Selle and within a few rides the saddle was loosing all shape
and I would have needed to tighten it. I thought that was a bit too quick so
it went back. It was not the H but the model just before it in their lineup,
but I am only about 145 pounds.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:36 PM Kim Hetzel wrote:

I have a Brooks B67S saddle that I have had for sometime between two other
bikes. It is fairly broken in. I like the short nose on it.
I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". It has become futile finding a seat
post with sufficient setback, that measures 29.8mm. I have been riding on
rivets.
I have moved forward recently in getting the right shim to accept a 27.2mm seat
post. Good news is the used PAUL Tall and Handsome post is coming in the mail
tomorrow. With great hope, my problems will be solved with sufficient setback.
I am considering on the back burner as future purchase of a Selle Anatomica H-1
saddle for more of a comfortable ride.

Has anyone used one of the Selle Anatomica saddles for upright riding ? If so,
what is your experience ?

Kim (boney butt) HetzelYelm, WA.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-8 schralp wrote:

I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months for my
Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear. Flyer not
flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be pinched, B17 also not
flat enough and my old Professional definitely not comfortable for upright
riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section perfect for upright riding and
get no impingement on the hamstrings on the downstroke. The springs provide
just enough give rocking back and forth at my weight (175#) but do not dampen
much vibration. Hope that helps.

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years ago by
soaking it in oil. I only did that once...

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co wrote:

After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I have
two.
I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in fast,
however.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they don't
seem to do much except add weight and squeak. For the BEST upright saddle I'm
always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy Grail of upright
saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
Michael M

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate the
springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is
excellent quality.
Anything else to consider?

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

Most Riv owners know this site, I imagine he's seen the thread. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> Joe told him![image: Emoji]
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:00:25 PM MST, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
>  . . . and the ad’s been deleted.
>
> Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the 
> damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
>
> Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to 
> preempt more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
>
> Happy Holidays everyone!!!
>
> I love my country...
>
> Scott in frozen ground Montana
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> It wasn't me! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
> to capture the bent ends.
>
> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>
> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>
> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>
> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Joe told him!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:00:25 PM MST, Matthew Williams
wrote:

. . . and the ad’s been deleted.
Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard
wrote:

It wasn't me!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
Well that's one way to put it!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. Note
the touchup paint on the fork.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

2022-12-05 Thread J S

Kim, I tried the Selle and within a few rides the saddle was loosing all
shape and I would have needed to tighten it.  I thought that was a bit too
quick so it went back.  It was not the H but the model just before it in
their lineup,  but I am only about 145 pounds.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:36 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:

> I have a Brooks B67S saddle that I have had for sometime between two other
> bikes. It is fairly broken in.  I like the short nose on it.
> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L".   It has become futile finding a
> seat post with sufficient setback, that measures 29.8mm.  I have been
> riding on rivets.
> I have moved forward recently in getting the right shim to accept a 27.2mm
> seat post. Good news is the used PAUL Tall and Handsome post is coming in
> the mail tomorrow. With great hope, my problems will be solved with
> sufficient setback.
> I am considering on the back burner as future purchase of a Selle
> Anatomica H-1 saddle for more of a comfortable ride.
>
> Has anyone used one of the Selle Anatomica saddles for upright riding ?
> If so, what is your experience ?
>
> Kim (boney butt) Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-8 schralp wrote:
>
>> I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months
>> for my Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear.
>> Flyer not flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be
>> pinched, B17 also not flat enough and my old Professional definitely not
>> comfortable for upright riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section
>> perfect for upright riding and get no impingement on the hamstrings on the
>> downstroke. The springs provide just enough give rocking back and forth at
>> my weight (175#) but do not dampen much vibration. Hope that helps.
>>
>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years
>>> ago by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co
>>> wrote:
>>>
 After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I
 have two.

 I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in
 fast, however.

 On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and
> they don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST
> upright saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The
> Holy Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>
> Michael M
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've
>> heard is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Matthew Williams

 . . . and the ad’s been deleted.

Wonder if he sold it, if he found our discussion, or both.



> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the 
> damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
> 
> Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to 
> preempt more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
> 
> Happy Holidays everyone!!!
> 
> I love my country...
> 
> Scott in frozen ground Montana
> 
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It wasn't me! 
> 
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
> 
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches but 
> please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, but a 
> very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed it."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>> 
>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>> 
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
>> to capture the bent ends.
>> 
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
>> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

I don't have it in me to sell a bike with such a notable history like the
damage to that one and not candidly disclose it.
Maybe it was an unintentional oversight, but the ad language seemed to preempt
more to come. My antenna went up, anyways.
Happy Holidays everyone!!!
I love my country...
Scott in frozen ground Montana

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 07:16:44 PM MST, Joe Bernard
wrote:

It wasn't me!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
Well that's one way to put it!

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. Note
the touchup paint on the fork.

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

2022-12-05 Thread Kim Hetzel

I have a Brooks B67S saddle that I have had for sometime between two other 
bikes. It is fairly broken in.  I like the short nose on it. 
I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L".   It has become futile finding a seat 
post with sufficient setback, that measures 29.8mm.  I have been riding on 
rivets. 
I have moved forward recently in getting the right shim to accept a 27.2mm 
seat post. Good news is the used PAUL Tall and Handsome post is coming in 
the mail tomorrow. With great hope, my problems will be solved with 
sufficient setback. 
I am considering on the back burner as future purchase of a Selle Anatomica 
H-1 saddle for more of a comfortable ride. 

Has anyone used one of the Selle Anatomica saddles for upright riding ?  If 
so, what is your experience ?

Kim (boney butt) Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-8 schralp wrote:

> I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months 
> for my Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear. 
> Flyer not flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be 
> pinched, B17 also not flat enough and my old Professional definitely not 
> comfortable for upright riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section 
> perfect for upright riding and get no impingement on the hamstrings on the 
> downstroke. The springs provide just enough give rocking back and forth at 
> my weight (175#) but do not dampen much vibration. Hope that helps.
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years ago 
>> by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...
>>
>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I 
>>> have two.
>>>
>>> I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in 
>>> fast, however.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>>>
 I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
 don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
 saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
 Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.

 Michael M

 On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've 
> heard is excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>


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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

It wasn't me! 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. 
>> I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>
>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>
>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO Crust Juan Martin Bars for 1993 Bridgestone XO-2

2022-12-05 Thread Ryan Frahm

Hi Emmet, I sent you a message but it could have gone to spam so I’ll make 
a post here. I have a black 26mm clamp Juan Martin that I’m willing to 
sell. I saw the post but had to think about it for a bit. Fell free to 
message me if you are interested!

Ryan

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:59:04 AM UTC-8 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> The new Simworks X Golden Pliers bar look like they could be an 
> interesting option if you 
> go with a 31.8 stem. I had the Juan's on my XO and while I did enjoy them, 
> wanted a little more
> rise for the stem combo I was running. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:17 PM UTC-8 e.q.s...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris, I think the singles bar is a 25.4 clamp, my current stem is 
>> 26.0. If I'm swapping stems I may go for a 31.8 to get something decently 
>> wider.  I have really been enjoying hitting all the rough stuff on this 
>> bike.  Thanks for the offer though!  RE: fork It's definitely tight spacing 
>> and looks a little goofy. Eyeing up the kory york forks for some wider 
>> clearance. I have a friend with an XO-4 that he initially crimped the 
>> original unicrown fork, but he eventually had Ellis cycles build him a new 
>> one( he has 26x2.3" thunder burts in there now).
>>
>> Cheers!
>> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:57:27 AM UTC-5 chris...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a sycip singles bar which is similar to the Juan Martin's for 
>>> sale. 
>>>
>>> Also, how's that front v-brake working? I have a 93 xo-3 with the narrow 
>>> spacing between studs, I think the xo-2 was the same frame/fork with 
>>> different component spec.
>>>
>>> Chris 
>>> NYC
>>> On Monday, 21 November 2022 at 22:41:13 UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>>
 Nice build. is the crank 110 BCD? Must be with the 33 ring. The bar set 
 up is interesting. 

 Thanks,

 Reginald Alexis

 On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 9:30:50 AM UTC-6 e.q.s...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Looking to switch to flat-ish bars on my Bridgestone XO-2. Its a 
> little small for me, so I am trying to keep the backsweep to a minimum 
> with 
> a 8cm dirt drop stem (26.0). Wondering if anyone has leads? 
>
> Current Build: https://photos.app.goo.gl/oJQj9Qsp1xn1MGFZ8
> (Folded on getting a nice shot of the crankset, but you'll just have 
> to take my word for the Richey Pro 50/33 double) 
>
> Best,
> Emmet
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Matthew Williams

Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:

"This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches but 
please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, but a very 
reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed it."




> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
> 
> Well that's one way to put it! 
> 
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
>> to capture the bent ends.
>> 
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
>> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

2022-12-05 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!!  

Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way 
way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly 
exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too 
comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a 
Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! 
And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? 
I’m full of the good ideas.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:

> My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for 
> about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in 
> a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would 
> be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm 
> carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)
>
> The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference with 
> the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.
>
> Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.
>
>
> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>
> Will took it for a spin too:
>
> [image: 75290007.jpg]
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [image: FAC35277-76B6-4A4C-9309-F0F0D7425C13.jpeg]I do love my Saluki 
>> that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a 
>> Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki 
>> just because of the older styling. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike 
>>> I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, can 
>>> carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and 
>>> climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.
>>>
>>> The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not 
>>> willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  
>>>
>>> My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to 
>>> active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear 
>>> and ride the heck out of it more.  
>>>
>>> This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in being 
>>> a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo wheelset and 
>>> a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0408.JPG]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

2022-12-05 Thread lconley

For my Rivendell Custom, I use a Dura-Ace FD-7800 (31.8 integral clamp, 
10-speed era) with my RenéHERSE 42-26 double. Chain is a Dura-Ace 11 speed 
(ultrasonically cleaned and waxed), cassette is a Dura-Ace 12-28 11 speed. 
Rear derailleur is a Dura-Ace RD-7700GS (large pulleys, 9-speed era). 
Friction shifted with frame mounted Silver-1 shifters. Everything works the 
way it should. 25 to 95 gear range. Basically a 1x system (40 to 95) on the 
42T with a 26T granny bail-out.

Laing

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:48:03 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:

> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally 
> 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run 
> on many of my bikes.
>
> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact doubles, 
> like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>
> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity 
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th 
>> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting 
>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>
>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>>
>>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 
>>> 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one 
>>> so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts 
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space 
 between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?

 Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
 building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it. 
 Think I just found some direction...

 Scott

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

 John,

 Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small 
 reminders are the best.

 Best,

 Aaron in El Paso

 p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 

 On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:

 One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any 
 trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a 
 special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is 
 complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.

 It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful 
 furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While 
 technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my 
 two 
 years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the 
 gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia 
 racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The 
 Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and 
 the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their 
 goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception. 

 Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, 
 while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering 
 up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with 
 a 
 beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 

 Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my 
 Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works 
 beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.

 I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
 countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
 mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.

 Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Mullins

Will confirmed that the Clem is in fact more Rosco Baby like and would make a 
great kid-carrier!

Joe

> On Dec 5, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Slin  wrote:
> 
> That's pretty cool to hear that the Rosco Bebe rides great even without the 
> front load. I was looking at them back in the day too and thought I read that 
> they were expected to feel weird without that load. 
> 
> From what I understand, the Clem has become more Rosco-Bebe-like over the 
> years, with a longer effective top tube, etc. I certainly love using mine for 
> kid hauling :)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:11:23 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the 
> differences?
> 
> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now using 
> the Bebe to drag a copilot.
> 
> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but another 
> part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and really unlike 
> anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it back if I let it 
> go.
> 
> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
> effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it feels 
> like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents and 
> carves corners without any skittishness.
> 
> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
> hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
> fun.
> 
> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
> 
> Paul in AR
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

"A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."

Well that's one way to put it! 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried 
> to capture the bent ends.
>
> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I 
> know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>
> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>
> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>
> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard

I'd be inclined to try the stem you have first IF you hadn't mentioned it 
already feels a smidge long to you. In this case it's probably not worth 
sliding your brand new bars through a stem you're very likely not going to 
be happy with, then do it again. I'd get something 2cm shorter at least. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
> In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
> stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
> same...right? 
>
> I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is pretty 
> good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm noodle bar, 
> I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
> Ben in Omaha 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

2022-12-05 Thread Garth

Well that's why riding a bike, let alone Life Itself, is by no means 
theoretical . A change of bars, for example, is literally a fresh 
perspective unlike any other. So is each and every "blink" of the 
eye(I-nfinity). teeheehee  

Each "blink" is "play". . .  . and in "play" everything happens 
spontaneously and in perfect rhythm.  "Going with the flow of the play", so 
to speak, it's purely inspirational ever joyous ! ! ! 

You see that handlebar . just sitting there ..and in a single blink 
! . it's on for a ride !!! 

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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

2022-12-05 Thread Slin

That's pretty cool to hear that the Rosco Bebe rides great even without the 
front load. I was looking at them back in the day too and thought I read 
that they were expected to feel weird without that load. 

>From what I understand, the Clem has become more Rosco-Bebe-like over the 
years, with a longer effective top tube, etc. I certainly love using mine 
for kid hauling :)



On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:11:23 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the 
> differences?
>
> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>
> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
> back if I let it go.
>
> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
> effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it 
> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>
> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
> hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
> fun.
>
> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>
> Paul in AR
>

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[RBW] Re: What Berthoud Saddle is this??

2022-12-05 Thread BobW

It is definitely narrower.  I measured 150mm with calipers.  

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-5 lu...@bikepacking.com wrote:

> The Galibier/Soulor only have two bolt assemblies visible on the rear of 
> the saddle, unlike the Aspin/Aravis, which have four, like this one. It 
> does look a little bit narrower than an Aravis in your photos, but I can't 
> tell if it's just distortion in the image. 
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:15:50 PM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> The Soulor and Galibier don't have the option for saddle bag hooks on the 
>> rear. Can you shoot a side-profile of the saddle so we can help? 
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 1:37:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a Galibier (ti version of Soulor), which is claimed 146mm 
>>> wide.  
>>>
>>> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/535-leather-saddle-galibier-black.html
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 12:31:42 PM UTC-8 BobW wrote:
>>>
 I came across a used Gilles Berthoud saddle in my travels.  It has 
 titanium rails, so I assumed it is the "Aravis" model (same as Aspin but 
 different rails.

 However it seemed narrow to me so I measured it and it comes out to 
 150mm wide; not the 157mm the the Aspin/Aravis are spec'd at.

 Wondering if this is a discontinued model??  Anyone familiar with these 
 saddles??

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread J S

Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and fits
as it should.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on
> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My
> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test
> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and
> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd
> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top
> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I'd love the catalog!!
>> Houston Wilson
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've
>>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the
>>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me
>>> know and I can mail it to whomever.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing
 over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your
 experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until
 I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

 Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread Drew Henson

I am planning to grab a 54cm one to replace my 2019 homer (58cm). haven't 
decided on color yet and they both look so good. 

will be whipping up a sales post later but if anyone browsing might have 
interest in the homer let me know. it's a sublime ride with swept back bars 
but i want to try out a sam.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:06:47 PM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:

> Let's hope Wednesday proves to be a great day for all those interested!  
> I've studied the size charts and glad I did.  I have a 59cm RB-1 which fits 
> fine, yet the 57cm Sam has a higher standover.  The charts put me on a 54 
> Sam.   These bikes have a big front end!  Save a Silver one for me, please.
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:56:38 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
>> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My 
>> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test 
>> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and 
>> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
>> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
>> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I'd love the catalog!! 
>>> Houston Wilson
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
 stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
 sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
 know and I can mail it to whomever.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:

> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
> until 
> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>
> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch

Let's hope Wednesday proves to be a great day for all those interested!  
I've studied the size charts and glad I did.  I have a 59cm RB-1 which fits 
fine, yet the 57cm Sam has a higher standover.  The charts put me on a 54 
Sam.   These bikes have a big front end!  Save a Silver one for me, please.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:56:38 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My 
> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test 
> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and 
> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I'd love the catalog!! 
>> Houston Wilson
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
>>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
>>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
>>> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
 over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
 experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
 I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

 Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread Paul Clifton

I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My 
PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test 
rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and 
it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.

Paul in AR

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> I'd love the catalog!! 
> Houston Wilson
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
>> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
>>> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
>>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
>>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>>
>>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Touch Up Paint?

2022-12-05 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

There was a nail enamel which worked well - back when I posted this page:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html

- J

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:46:39 AM UTC-8 fmar...@gmail.com wrote:

> I remember seeing something about a Testors model paint color that matched 
> up really well with the Bleriot aqua color. I can't find it now, do any 
> Bleriot owners have any idea?
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
> Mount Prospect, IL
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

2022-12-05 Thread David Hallerman

That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally
8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run
on many of my bikes.

I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact doubles,
like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?

Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity
+
Hudson Valley NY

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th
> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting
> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>
> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>
>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 2005
>> (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one so I
>> bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts
>> beautifully.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space
>>> between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>>>
>>> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm
>>> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it.
>>> Think I just found some direction...
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small reminders
>>> are the best.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>>
>>> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected.
>>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
>>> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any
>>> trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a
>>> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is
>>> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>>>
>>> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful
>>> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While
>>> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two
>>> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the
>>> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia
>>> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The
>>> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and
>>> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their
>>> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception.
>>>
>>> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, while
>>> very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering up the
>>> frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a
>>> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my
>>> Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works
>>> beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>>>
>>> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of
>>> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the
>>> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

2022-12-05 Thread Michael Connors

I just checked mine. It is 28.6 at the top, but 31.8 where the FD mounts. 

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:36:24 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The website description is fascinatingly murky, like I couldn't make it 
> murkier if I tried. The seattube ovalizes as it heads down to the BB shell 
> and I believe it is indeed 31.8 at the fd section (the MIT model). 
> Toyo/Waterford was 28.6. 
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:00 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, 3 December 2022 at 2:24:41 pm UTC+11 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> John, the Atlantis I purchased new from Riv last month takes a 31.8 
>>> clamp FD. Yours is a 28.6? They must have changed along the way?
>>>
>>
>> I think you'll find your Atlantis seat tube is 28.6mm diameter (AKA 1⅛"). 
>> That's what the Riv website says.
>>
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H, Nitto Rear Rack, Trunk Bag

2022-12-05 Thread Jake Kutchins

Dropping Clem price to $1375, nitto rack to $125, and arkel bag to $45 :)

Jake
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:41:22 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> You could change out the handlebars to Bosco bars...
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:12:32 AM UTC-8 jake...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave :) It's a great ride, I've just been wanting something that's a 
>> bit more upright. Dropping the asking price to $1450 for anyone interested.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:33:22 PM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> I recognize this bike!
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:42:51 PM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Selling my 52 cm dark green Clem H. In good condition but has some 
 beausage (scratch on top tube, small chips around chainstay). I love this 
 bike, but I'm hoping to sell it to help finance a Platy. Pickup in NYC 
 preferred, but open to shipping. $1525.

 Highlights:
 650B x 55mm RH Umtanum Ridge Extralight tires (<150 miles)
 Excellent condition black MKS king pedals and B17 carved Brooks saddle
 2x8 with friction shifting
 Silver crankset
 Can include VO constructeur rack, stock Kenda tires, single schwalbe 
 g-one tire
 note: the wald basket works great but is bent

 Nitto Campee Rear Rack--$150
 Arkel TailRider Trunk Bag--$60
 Both for $200

 Google drive link 
 

 Feel free to reach out with any questions!

 --Jake in NYC

>>>

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Re: [RBW] FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

2022-12-05 Thread Josh Brown

If it sells to someone in NY who wants to rent it to me a few weekends a
year please hit me up!

Josh "...way too many bikes in our office" in lower Manhattan

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 4:31 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

>
> I’ve got a tiny add on crankset in a box somewhere as well, picked it up
> with intentions of installing, but never wrapped my head around it/got it
> done. I should dig it up and roll it out with the bike, which I expect will
> be sold tomorrow morning.
> -Kai
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:54:05 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com
> wrote:
>
>> Might be worth mentioning that I have a child stoker kit that adds a
>> kid-accessible crankset to a standard tandem. If anybody needs more info,
>> email me directly. It’s been gathering dust since my kids were 4 feet tall,
>> which has been a while.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 1:50 PM, James M  wrote:
>>
>> Ayayayay.  Going to talk to the family about this.  If nothing else, your
>> post prompted me to finally put up my own FS post for the Long Haul Trucker
>> that's been collecting dust in the basement.
>>
>> Got an estimate on stoker size range?  My youngest is 4' 10", my wife is
>> 5' 10".
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
>>> I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short
>>> jaunts with a kiddo.
>>> It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set
>>> with a SON dyno hub.
>>> I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others
>>> in the family would fall in love with the thing.
>>> I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet
>>> upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that
>>> same section of top tube. Works like a charm.
>>> Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter,
>>> but I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale.
>>> Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the
>>> surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
>>> Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
>>> And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle
>>>
>>> Thanks much
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread Houston Wilson

Hi Bill,

I'd love the catalog!! 
Houston Wilson
Los Angeles, CA

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
>> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>
>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What Berthoud Saddle is this??

2022-12-05 Thread Lucas Winzenburg

The Galibier/Soulor only have two bolt assemblies visible on the rear of 
the saddle, unlike the Aspin/Aravis, which have four, like this one. It 
does look a little bit narrower than an Aravis in your photos, but I can't 
tell if it's just distortion in the image. 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:15:50 PM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> The Soulor and Galibier don't have the option for saddle bag hooks on the 
> rear. Can you shoot a side-profile of the saddle so we can help? 
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 1:37:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Looks like a Galibier (ti version of Soulor), which is claimed 146mm 
>> wide.  
>>
>> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/535-leather-saddle-galibier-black.html
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 12:31:42 PM UTC-8 BobW wrote:
>>
>>> I came across a used Gilles Berthoud saddle in my travels.  It has 
>>> titanium rails, so I assumed it is the "Aravis" model (same as Aspin but 
>>> different rails.
>>>
>>> However it seemed narrow to me so I measured it and it comes out to 
>>> 150mm wide; not the 157mm the the Aspin/Aravis are spec'd at.
>>>
>>> Wondering if this is a discontinued model??  Anyone familiar with these 
>>> saddles??
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Gilles Berthoud Leather Saddle Soulor Black

2022-12-05 Thread Jonny Clugston

Saddle has been SOLD

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:12:32 AM UTC-8 Jonny Clugston wrote:

> Lowering the price to *$150 +shipping* here, fyi. 
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:40:04 PM UTC-8 Jonny Clugston wrote:
>
>> I have a brand new Gilles Berthoud Saddle Soulor in Black Leather for 
>> sale, $175 or best offer.
>>
>> This saddle is made from vegetable-tanned leather, has stainless steel 
>> rails, and a narrow, racing geometry for a more aggressive riding style. 
>> The saddle came with a bike I recently purchased but I chose to keep my old 
>> saddle, so I would love to see this go to a new home for many years of use. 
>> Slight blemish on the top of the leather, but could easily be worked out 
>> with some leather wax.
>>
>> Photos: 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10V9ohoxrI0oXlZAslyDwj9GpykeQ-C9z?usp=sharing
>>
>> Available for local pickup in the East Bay and SF Bay Area or willing to 
>> ship for additional cost. Please reach out with any questions!
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: lugged 61-63cm frameset that's 47-57 brake-compatible

2022-12-05 Thread Andrew Turner

Hello Group, I hope everyone's been enjoying the holidays.  

I'm searching for a type of frameset that's synonymous with this group: 
lugged steel, riv-ride-quality, compatible with 47-57 reach brake calipers, 
1" threaded headset, and hovers around the 61-63cm frame size, ideally with 
a 58-58.5 C-C top tube. 

The only frame I'm NOT interested in is a Rambouillet. To clear that 
weirdness up, my father owns one and will be passing it down once he passes 
(and has "kindly" reminded me oh too many times). Riding up on one now 
would be a little rude and might just jolt a sequence of events I'd rather 
not jolt!  

If anyone has a frameset they're looking to sell that fits the bill, my 
budget is $1500. I'd also be interested in non-riv bikes for less but my 
knowledge of 57-reach vintage lugged steel is very slim so I don't know 
what to ask for specifically. 

Cheers, 
Andrew 
Franklin TN 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread Eliot Balogh

What size JS ? :)

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 7:22 PM J S  wrote:

> My bright orange from the batch before the Dark Gold is 27.2.
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 9:58:35 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> "I do not recall a 26.8mm seatpost in the past for the Sam H."
>>
>> My Dark Gold Sam from the last batch 2 (3?) years ago has a 26.8 seatpost
>> diameter, so this isn't new.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing
>>> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your
>>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until
>>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>>
>>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H, Nitto Rear Rack, Trunk Bag

2022-12-05 Thread Jake Kutchins

Thanks for the suggestion Kim, although I'm pretty sure I already have 
Bosco's and not Tosco's on the Clem. *looks around for measuring tape*

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:41:22 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> You could change out the handlebars to Bosco bars...
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:12:32 AM UTC-8 jake...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave :) It's a great ride, I've just been wanting something that's a 
>> bit more upright. Dropping the asking price to $1450 for anyone interested.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:33:22 PM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> I recognize this bike!
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:42:51 PM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Selling my 52 cm dark green Clem H. In good condition but has some 
 beausage (scratch on top tube, small chips around chainstay). I love this 
 bike, but I'm hoping to sell it to help finance a Platy. Pickup in NYC 
 preferred, but open to shipping. $1525.

 Highlights:
 650B x 55mm RH Umtanum Ridge Extralight tires (<150 miles)
 Excellent condition black MKS king pedals and B17 carved Brooks saddle
 2x8 with friction shifting
 Silver crankset
 Can include VO constructeur rack, stock Kenda tires, single schwalbe 
 g-one tire
 note: the wald basket works great but is bent

 Nitto Campee Rear Rack--$150
 Arkel TailRider Trunk Bag--$60
 Both for $200

 Google drive link 
 

 Feel free to reach out with any questions!

 --Jake in NYC

>>>

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[RBW] ISO/WTT/WTB rear-rack-mount dynamo tail light in good condition

2022-12-05 Thread Patrick Moore

I'd like to see a photo of what you have, and know what you'd charge or
what you might want in trade.

Thanks, Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

2022-12-05 Thread schralp

I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months for 
my Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear. Flyer 
not flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be pinched, B17 
also not flat enough and my old Professional definitely not comfortable for 
upright riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section perfect for upright 
riding and get no impingement on the hamstrings on the downstroke. The 
springs provide just enough give rocking back and forth at my weight (175#) 
but do not dampen much vibration. Hope that helps.

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years ago 
> by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co 
> wrote:
>
>> After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I 
>> have two.
>>
>> I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in 
>> fast, however.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
>>> don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
>>> saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
>>> Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>>>
>>> Michael M
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>>>
 What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
 actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.

 The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
 is excellent quality.

 Anything else to consider?

>>>

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[RBW] Bleriot Touch Up Paint?

2022-12-05 Thread Fred Marsh

I remember seeing something about a Testors model paint color that matched 
up really well with the Bleriot aqua color. I can't find it now, do any 
Bleriot owners have any idea?

Thanks,
Fred
Mount Prospect, IL

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Re: [RBW] What frame protection tape do you use with long term success ?

2022-12-05 Thread Patrick Moore

It didn't stick down perfectly and was always in a state of incipient
unraveling.

If you want an almost irremovable tape application for rack tubes, wrap the
tubes in 3 layers of cheap electricians' tape and leave it for 5 years.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 2:43 PM Tom Norton  wrote:

> Patrick,  why didn't  it work on rack tubes? Was it not flexible?
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've got a package of Ortlieb clear stick-on tape that they call "foil"
>> meant to protect painted racks from pannier hooks. Anyone who wants it is
>> welcome to it (you be patient and I'll pay postage).
>>
>> It might work well for frame protection, but I could not get it to work
>> well on rack tubes.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 10:09 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>>> I am considering buying some clear frame protection tape to protect my
>>> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" while it is relatively still new.
>>> I did some homework. The brand names that I came up with are:
>>>
>>> *RideWrap kit
>>> *invisiFRAME
>>> *Lizard Skins Clear Protective frame kit
>>> *3M™ Polyurethane Protective Tape 8671
>>> *3M Clear Paint Surface Protection Vinyl Film
>>> *Effetto Mariposa Shelter Protective Tape
>>>
>>> I am wondering what tape have you used that has weathered exceedingly
>>> very well over a very long time from road beausage ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-05 Thread Ryan Bolesta

I've been eagerly awaiting the Sam drop for a few months now, the new pics 
have me so pumped! This will be my first Riv if I'm lucky enough to get 
one. Looking to get the LImeOlive 60cm. Seems like the 60cm frames have 
been hanging around on some of the other recent drops, so fingers crossed.

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 5:02:16 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm sure everyone's seen it but Will included some pics of Riv-built Sams 
> in the new colors with today's email update. Always good to have some pics 
> in our threads. There's also a geo chart. 
>
> [image: unnamed.jpg]
>
> [image: unnamed-1.jpg]
>
> [image: unnamed-2.jpg]
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:49:40 PM UTC-5 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> Brian asked "Anyone want to take any bets on whether or not they've made 
>> any changes to the geometry and sizes available?"
>>
>> My best guess, based on the location of the chainstay indentions is that 
>> they've increased those to more closely match the rest of the lineup. I've 
>> got a LCS (long chainstay) Cheviot, which I absolutely love, and a more 
>> normal, but lengthy for the time Bleriot, which I also absolutely love. I 
>> imagine there will be some folks bummed at not having shorter chainstay 
>> options, but we all saw this coming (and they may have even said as much at 
>> some point and I either didn't see it or forgot about it).
>>
>> Eric
>> Indpls.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I've been on high alert since the beginning of November. Can't 
>>> wait. We're almost there.
>>> I thought I was going silver till I saw how the olive turned out... hard 
>>> decisions to be made.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 9:29 AM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
 I really want one of these, because the lime olive is so gorgeous, but 
 I don't think I'll be able to fund another Rivendell so soon after 
 building 
 up my Gus just a couple months ago.
 I might try to pick up a used dark gold Sam sometime in the next year 
 or so, or maybe if someone is selling one from this batch.

 Anyone want to take any bets on whether or not they've made any changes 
 to the geometry and sizes available?

 -Brian

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:29:16 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm not getting a new Sam, as I've already got one, but these colors 
> look great. I scraped the images from the instagram post 
> 
>  
> Will linked in his last email from House of the Rising Sun in Jakarta. 
>
> [image: sam limeolive.jpg]
>
> [image: samsilver.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 10:04:00 AM UTC-5 jak...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am 
>> obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of 
>> your 
>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
>> until 
>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>
>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Derailleur precision and wear characteristics for 11+ speed systems

2022-12-05 Thread Patrick Moore

Ben and Ted: So 11+ does not require electricity. Thanks, good to know,
even if only for academic reasons.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 10:40 AM Ben Adrian  wrote:

> Campy Ekar is machanical only and has 13 speeds. I've heard nothing but
> good reviews (also, how high price comments). My guess is that they just
> have a lot of cable pull and the derailleur is a lower ratio than other
> mechanicals.
>
> There's also the Ratio Technology retro-fit kit that turns SRAM 10 or 11
> speed mechanical into a 12 speed with their SRAM MTB mechanical standard,
> so one can run road shifters up front and mechanical 12speed MTB in the
> back. I've also heard good things about this.
>
> I think the problems mainly come when people try to make a 1.7:1 ratio
> derailleur (like Shimano 7-8-9 speeds) work on higher numbers of cogs.
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:12:00 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Ted's remark raises an interesting question. I for one didn't think that
>> so very closely spaced cogs might require fine tolerances that exceed the
>> everyday capabilities of shift-by-cable systems, what with friction
>> changing with wear and dirt.
>>
>> So, question: Is it generally true that above 10 speeds or perhaps 11
>> cable systems don't work very well, or at least, shifting quality degrades
>> quickly compared to systems with fewer cogs and wider tolerances?
>>
>> I recall using a Cyclo Benelux pullchain rd* to shift 2 cogs hacked onto
>> a SA AW driver; to take an extreme case, I can't imagine that rd indexing 4
>> cogs let alone 12. It did index 2: all t'way for'ard and all t'way
>> backward. (Kidding.)
>>
>> So, again, to sum up: do 12 and 13 speed systems require and lock you in
>> to electric shifting?
>>
>> That is a question, not an implicit value judgment.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:14 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>>
>> Exactly! It's not like I used a super-accurate digital measuring device
>>> to come up with the numbers. When you're talking .1 mm, you can understand
>>> why it's hard to make a cable-shifting indexed system work reliably on
>>> tightly packed gears. I was able to confirm on the road my spreadsheet
>>> prediction that a Shimano 9-speed lever can work with a SunTour rear
>>> derailer and a Shimano 8-speed cassette.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

2022-12-05 Thread lconley

It depends on how wide your shoulders are in relation to the bars. If your 
arms are straight out, or angled out now (on the ramps or drops), then your 
assumptions are probably correct. If your arms are angled in now, then 
maybe you are good with your existing stem or maybe even need a longer stem.

Laing

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:07:45 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
> In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
> stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
> same...right? 
>
> I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is pretty 
> good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm noodle bar, 
> I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
> Ben in Omaha 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

2022-12-05 Thread Paul Clifton

Personally, yes, I would expect to want a shorter stem with wider bars. I 
would probably try it with the existing stem, but I'd anticipate going 
shorter.

Which also makes me realize that, since I'm pretty sensitive to the impact 
of stem length on handling, there's probably some setups where my optimum 
bar width, doesn't work with my optimum stem length.

Paul in AR

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:07:45 PM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
> In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
> stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
> same...right? 
>
> I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is pretty 
> good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm noodle bar, 
> I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
> Ben in Omaha 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Stem Length and Handlebar Width

2022-12-05 Thread Ben Mihovk

Hey Everyone!
In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
same...right? 

I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is pretty 
good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm noodle bar, 
I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 

Thanks for your thoughts!
Ben in Omaha 


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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

2022-12-05 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

If you have detailed photos of the fork, I think it would be appropriate to 
post those as well. 

Jim / list admin

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. Here’s 
> what happened:
>
> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) 
> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS 
> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track 
> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been 
> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. 
>
> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over 
> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, 
> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of 
> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid 
> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, 
> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit 
> organization.
>
> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once 
> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has 
> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the 
> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing 
> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. 
>
> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed 
> decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn 
> me. 
>
> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 58cm SimpleOne

2022-12-05 Thread Jared Wilson

Sold!

On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 12:02:56 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

> BUMP!
>
> $1300 with Pasela 32s instead of the Snoqualmie Pass tires
>
> Thanks :)
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:09:41 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s a beautiful thing.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2022, at 6:56 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>
>> Hey group,
>>
>>
>> Repurchased my old SimpleOne earlier this year and just don't find myself 
>> riding it enough, I thought that might change the second time around, 
>> alas
>>
>> 58cm Rivendell SimpleOne Frame/Fork
>>
>> *Used with paint chips and a micro-dent on the top tube. I don't buy 
>> bikes with dented tubes but this one is so small I couldn't find the energy 
>> to care, you should do the same!*
>>
>> Tange Headset
>>
>> Nitto 85mm 31.8 FacePlater stem
>>
>> Nitto/Riv 31.8 BullBar
>>
>> Origin8 brake levers
>>
>> Ergon GP1 BioKork grips
>>
>> Shimano Deore BR-T610 V-brakes, rear will be swapped to black before sale
>>
>> Nitto S65 seatpost
>>
>> WTB Pure V saddle
>>
>> IRD 165mm 144bcd cranks with 42T 3/32" Wabi chainring
>>
>> Shimano UN300 BB
>>
>> OEM Quickbeam wheels, Suzue hubs to Mavic rims
>>
>> 18T White Industries Eno Trials Freewheel
>>
>> 20T White Industries Eno Freewheel
>>
>> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass Endurance Tires (700x44)
>>
>> Surly Tuggnut chain tensioner
>>
>> Pedals not included
>>
>> SimpleOne Photos 
>> 
>>
>> *$1500 + buyer pays shipping*
>>
>> Can deliver to SF Bay Area November 30th or down to LA around Christmas 
>> time.
>>
>> Please respond off list if interested, thanks :)
>>
>> Jared in SLO County
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[RBW] Re: FS: Selle Anatomica X2

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Mullins

Free shipping!

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:17:37 PM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:

> This saddle is in good condition. It probably only has a few hundred miles 
> on it. The color is called "tool brown".
>
> $100 + shipping from Los Angeles
>
> More photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/nbgR3DFvu1YXQaC27
>
>
> [image: _J224916.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabio's Chest Large Tan Waxed Cordura

2022-12-05 Thread Joe Mullins

SOLD

On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:33:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:

> Price drop on this BRAND NEW Ron's Bikes Fabio's Large Chest! $265 shipped 
> anywhere in the CONUS.
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:20:47 PM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:
>
>> Brand new, removed from the box only to photograph it. It's got side 
>> pockets but I didn't want to unfold it as it fit so nicely in the box. I'll 
>> let someone else have that joy!
>>
>> With the recent birth of my child I'm reevaluating my gear hoarding 
>> tendencies!
>>
>> $285 free shipping or local pickup in Los Angeles
>>
>> [image: _J224922.jpg][image: _J224923.jpg][image: _J224924.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and first ride

2022-12-05 Thread Tom Palmer

Thanks John, I do feel better. I recalled they were a little wider.
Tom

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:26:28 AM UTC-5 John Johnson wrote:

> If it makes you feel any better, the Chocos are narrower than the 
> Albatross by 15mm. 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:15:26 PM UTC+1 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Good call on the wheelset- I finally remembered to look. I really like 
>> them and wanting to use them on the Platypus, prompted the unRivish black 
>> lower half build. 
>> Ride update- 5 rides in and really liking the Platypus for our chipseal 
>> roads and dirt. First change is swapped on RH Snoqualmie Pass  tires and 
>> nicer ride than the Speed Rides. Now wanting a little wider bars than the 
>> Albatross. Kicking myself for selling Chocos I had, but that's how some of 
>> us roll, isn't it? Going to put on some VO Granola bars I liked on the 
>> buena vista. 
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Correct.  DT Swiss TK 7.1 rims.  The precursor to the TK540.  I have the 
>>> same DT240/TK540 combo on one of my Rosco Bubbe's.  Great Wheelset is 
>>> really an understatement.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>>
 Congratsyour rims look like DT Swiss TK540 (double eyelet) rims 
 with the old decals.  The TK540 are really strong rims if wheels were 
 built 
 properly.  My set were used for loaded RTW touring for over 20,000 miles 
 and were still true when bike was sold.  

 On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I picked a Mermaid Platypus frameset from a very nice local Riv/Crust 
> fan. Thanks Derek!
> Spent a couple of weeks doing a parts bin build. The only things I 
> bought new were 2 chains because Derek has a Clem Jr to build and needed 
> the one from this frame and a tandem length derailler cable. Was able to 
> get the first ride in today and had fit tweaked within a few miles. I am 
> at 
> the bottom of the fit guide for the big 60cm but Will at Riv confirmed I 
> would be OK. I did get to do quick ride before I purchased so confident 
> it 
> would work well and it does. Very nice first ride, smooth, zippy, and 
> quick 
> handling. Already rethinking the tires- only 700x42 Continental speed 
> Rides. Just thinking bigger since my roads are fairly rough chip seal in 
> general, but want to keep fenders. I will do a second post on how large a 
> tire with fenders. Looking forward to tomorrows ride, it will be longer 
> and 
> more hills. Build list is as follows- steel Albatross bars and steel 
> stem, 
> Ergon grips, Tektro V brake and Avid levers, and Microshift 10 speed bar 
> end shifter shifting Deore derailler. Thompson seat post and Specialized 
> body Geometry saddle from 90's. Alfine single ring crankset. Wheels are 
> pretty nice, DT Swiss 240s hubs and not sure which DT Swiss rims. Fenders 
> are Bontrager meant for 26" tires, but fit well. 
> Planning on front rack that will tame the quick handling a bit, but 
> worth the utility. 
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI 
>


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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and first ride

2022-12-05 Thread John Johnson

If it makes you feel any better, the Chocos are narrower than the Albatross 
by 15mm. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:15:26 PM UTC+1 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Good call on the wheelset- I finally remembered to look. I really like 
> them and wanting to use them on the Platypus, prompted the unRivish black 
> lower half build. 
> Ride update- 5 rides in and really liking the Platypus for our chipseal 
> roads and dirt. First change is swapped on RH Snoqualmie Pass  tires and 
> nicer ride than the Speed Rides. Now wanting a little wider bars than the 
> Albatross. Kicking myself for selling Chocos I had, but that's how some of 
> us roll, isn't it? Going to put on some VO Granola bars I liked on the 
> buena vista. 
> Tom
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Correct.  DT Swiss TK 7.1 rims.  The precursor to the TK540.  I have the 
>> same DT240/TK540 combo on one of my Rosco Bubbe's.  Great Wheelset is 
>> really an understatement.
>>
>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Congratsyour rims look like DT Swiss TK540 (double eyelet) rims with 
>>> the old decals.  The TK540 are really strong rims if wheels were built 
>>> properly.  My set were used for loaded RTW touring for over 20,000 miles 
>>> and were still true when bike was sold.  
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I picked a Mermaid Platypus frameset from a very nice local Riv/Crust 
 fan. Thanks Derek!
 Spent a couple of weeks doing a parts bin build. The only things I 
 bought new were 2 chains because Derek has a Clem Jr to build and needed 
 the one from this frame and a tandem length derailler cable. Was able to 
 get the first ride in today and had fit tweaked within a few miles. I am 
 at 
 the bottom of the fit guide for the big 60cm but Will at Riv confirmed I 
 would be OK. I did get to do quick ride before I purchased so confident it 
 would work well and it does. Very nice first ride, smooth, zippy, and 
 quick 
 handling. Already rethinking the tires- only 700x42 Continental speed 
 Rides. Just thinking bigger since my roads are fairly rough chip seal in 
 general, but want to keep fenders. I will do a second post on how large a 
 tire with fenders. Looking forward to tomorrows ride, it will be longer 
 and 
 more hills. Build list is as follows- steel Albatross bars and steel stem, 
 Ergon grips, Tektro V brake and Avid levers, and Microshift 10 speed bar 
 end shifter shifting Deore derailler. Thompson seat post and Specialized 
 body Geometry saddle from 90's. Alfine single ring crankset. Wheels are 
 pretty nice, DT Swiss 240s hubs and not sure which DT Swiss rims. Fenders 
 are Bontrager meant for 26" tires, but fit well. 
 Planning on front rack that will tame the quick handling a bit, but 
 worth the utility. 
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and first ride

2022-12-05 Thread Tom Palmer

Good call on the wheelset- I finally remembered to look. I really like them 
and wanting to use them on the Platypus, prompted the unRivish black lower 
half build. 
Ride update- 5 rides in and really liking the Platypus for our chipseal 
roads and dirt. First change is swapped on RH Snoqualmie Pass  tires and 
nicer ride than the Speed Rides. Now wanting a little wider bars than the 
Albatross. Kicking myself for selling Chocos I had, but that's how some of 
us roll, isn't it? Going to put on some VO Granola bars I liked on the 
buena vista. 
Tom


On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Correct.  DT Swiss TK 7.1 rims.  The precursor to the TK540.  I have the 
> same DT240/TK540 combo on one of my Rosco Bubbe's.  Great Wheelset is 
> really an understatement.
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>
>> Congratsyour rims look like DT Swiss TK540 (double eyelet) rims with 
>> the old decals.  The TK540 are really strong rims if wheels were built 
>> properly.  My set were used for loaded RTW touring for over 20,000 miles 
>> and were still true when bike was sold.  
>>
>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I picked a Mermaid Platypus frameset from a very nice local Riv/Crust 
>>> fan. Thanks Derek!
>>> Spent a couple of weeks doing a parts bin build. The only things I 
>>> bought new were 2 chains because Derek has a Clem Jr to build and needed 
>>> the one from this frame and a tandem length derailler cable. Was able to 
>>> get the first ride in today and had fit tweaked within a few miles. I am at 
>>> the bottom of the fit guide for the big 60cm but Will at Riv confirmed I 
>>> would be OK. I did get to do quick ride before I purchased so confident it 
>>> would work well and it does. Very nice first ride, smooth, zippy, and quick 
>>> handling. Already rethinking the tires- only 700x42 Continental speed 
>>> Rides. Just thinking bigger since my roads are fairly rough chip seal in 
>>> general, but want to keep fenders. I will do a second post on how large a 
>>> tire with fenders. Looking forward to tomorrows ride, it will be longer and 
>>> more hills. Build list is as follows- steel Albatross bars and steel stem, 
>>> Ergon grips, Tektro V brake and Avid levers, and Microshift 10 speed bar 
>>> end shifter shifting Deore derailler. Thompson seat post and Specialized 
>>> body Geometry saddle from 90's. Alfine single ring crankset. Wheels are 
>>> pretty nice, DT Swiss 240s hubs and not sure which DT Swiss rims. Fenders 
>>> are Bontrager meant for 26" tires, but fit well. 
>>> Planning on front rack that will tame the quick handling a bit, but 
>>> worth the utility. 
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: 58 cm Green Quickbeam

2022-12-05 Thread Conway Bennett

I have an embarrassment of riches, and I don't have time or desire to make
granular decisions about which bike to ride. I have been riding with both
of my kids lashed to my Hunqapillar, so this bike has been ridden in over a
year, so I think it's time to move it along. This is a riders bike, and it
has plenty of beausage. I am at least the second owner, and it has been
well. It is currently located in Chicagoland, and I have a box ready to
pack and ship it. The price for the bike as listed below is $1000 net to
me via Chase QuickPay. Buyer pays for shipping and provides prepaid
shipping label.

So, for your consideration is a:

- 58 cm Green Quickbeam frameset with surly chain tensioner,

- original but serviced headset,

- 103 velo orange bottom bracket installed by me,

- and an all silver fixed/free velocity built 36h Atlas 120 mm spaced
REAR wheel (I NEED THE FRONT WHEEL) with a new surly fixed cog and white
industries dos eno freewheel. I also have a velocity single speed rebuild
kit, but this wheel has relatively light use.

- Pictures: https://photos.app.goo.gl/w7P8uR296sQuUUs78

- Captain Conway

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

2022-12-05 Thread Doug H.

Garth,
I need to heed this advice and more so this attitude! My frustration might 
have lead to a few choice words during the process but finally getting it 
right is satisfying and gratifying. All hail the bicycle for its simplicity 
and intricacy all at the same time.
Doug

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:13:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I was all set to write about doing it this way or that way, but honestly, 
> I've never done it the same way twice as each and every "situation" is 
> different. Just like reading and writing this, I can't say there is any 
> prescribed way to do it, it rather "just happens" spontaneously and 
> creatively, and it's Wonderfull ! 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

2022-12-05 Thread Garth

I was all set to write about doing it this way or that way, but honestly, 
I've never done it the same way twice as each and every "situation" is 
different. Just like reading and writing this, I can't say there is any 
prescribed way to do it, it rather "just happens" spontaneously and 
creatively, and it's Wonderfull ! 

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