[RBW] Re: FS: A Riv-friend: Crust Lightning Bolt SS Breakaway

[Joe Mullins]

Sold to a good home! Someone who'd been looking for one for a long time. 
Thanks Kyle!

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:19:26 AM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:

> I hope no one minds that I'm posting a non-Riv for sale in the Riv group 
> but based on responses from the discussion I had a few weeks ago, I think 
> someone here might like this bike and I'd rather it go to someone here than 
> anywhere else.
>
> As we know Crust are friends of Riv and even sell Riv's. So here I am 
> offering my Crust Lightning Bolt Single Speed Breakaway. I never thought 
> I'd sell this bike but I want to fund a potential Rosco Baby now that I'm a 
> new parent!
>
> It is size medium which I believe Crust called a 56cm. I'm 5'10 with a PBH 
> of 85 and its a perfect fit for me. Seat post had room to go down or come 
> up. They don't sell the breakaway anymore and I don't think they have plans 
> to bring it back. Included in the sale is:
>
> Frame/fork size medium/56cm
> Crust/Nitto 6cm stem for 1" threadless fork (yes that's correct)
> Stem-matching spacers and brass spacers to keep stem nice and high
> Chris King headset
> Thomsen set back seat post 27.2
> Shimano BB
> Ritchey travel case for breakaway bikes (fits maximum airline dimensions 
> so you don't have to pay oversize fees)
>
> As you can see in the photos I ran a cable inside the fork for a dynamo 
> hub/light. I am keeping the light and will either pull the cable if the 
> buyer doesn't want it or snip the light from the cable so you can hook up 
> your own light. (If you want the black Edelux II light with the bike to 
> stay as is I would need a replacement Edelux.) 
>
> The bike is in very good condition with just a couple tiny superficial 
> nicks on one of the seat stays. I really babied it as much as I could. And 
> I rarely rode it. I only took it on one plane trip. I agree with Grant that 
> I don't need to be passing "barely-ridden" bikes to my family to deal with 
> when I'm gone. I'd rather someone enjoy this bike as it deserves to be 
> enjoyed. 
>
> Detailed photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Lh37UCrECmWTKsJF7
>
> Asking $1500 + shipping from Los Angeles or local pickup. [image: 
> _J224947.jpg]
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Ray Varella]

Great picture Slin


Ray
On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:29:04 PM UTC-8 Slin wrote:

> Here's mine!
>
> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:19:45 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Will confirmed that the Clem is in fact more Rosco Baby like and would 
>> make a great kid-carrier!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Slin  wrote:
>>
>> That's pretty cool to hear that the Rosco Bebe rides great even without 
>> the front load. I was looking at them back in the day too and thought I 
>> read that they were expected to feel weird without that load. 
>>
>> From what I understand, the Clem has become more Rosco-Bebe-like over the 
>> years, with a longer effective top tube, etc. I certainly love using mine 
>> for kid hauling :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:11:23 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on 
>>> the differences?
>>>
>>> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
>>> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>>>
>>> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
>>> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
>>> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
>>> back if I let it go.
>>>
>>> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
>>> effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it 
>>> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
>>> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>>>
>>> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
>>> hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
>>> fun.
>>>
>>> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Nick A.]

Dave - I'm running a 46/30 on my Atlantis with a Shimano 600 tricolor FD 
and if works splendidly. 

Nick near D.C.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:48:03 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:

> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally 
> 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run 
> on many of my bikes.
>
> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact doubles, 
> like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>
> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity 
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th 
>> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting 
>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>
>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>>
>>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 
>>> 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one 
>>> so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts 
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space 
 between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?

 Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
 building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it. 
 Think I just found some direction...

 Scott

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 

 John,

 Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small 
 reminders are the best.

 Best,

 Aaron in El Paso


 p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 

 On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:

 One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any 
 trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a 
 special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is 
 complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.

 It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful 
 furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While 
 technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my 
 two 
 years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the 
 gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia 
 racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The 
 Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and 
 the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their 
 goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception. 

 Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, 
 while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering 
 up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with 
 a 
 beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 

 Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my 
 Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works 
 beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.

 I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
 countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
 mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.

 Cheers, John
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[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Ryan]

oh wow...that is gorgeous...i always thought a butter yellow frame would be 
sweet. those lugs. 

maybe milk chocolate brown for HT and contrasts...but...nah...I like it the 
way it is.

APPROVE as BL would say

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:45:38 PM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Such a SICK frame. That’s what I want next. Easily the most beautiful Riv 
> frame to me. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:37:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> So. Many. LUGS!
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:01:16 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> And just because I think every thread benefits from pictures, here are a 
>>> few from the listing. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 That thing sold *fast*. There was another Bombadill up this week with 
 a bid but someone went ahead and hit Buy It Now. 
 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:12:55 AM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I'm so curious who bought the beautiful Bombadil that was on ebay 
> recently.  The frame only, in a beautiful yellow, with the lng 
> diagonal 
> tube.I've never seen one like it and I think if I ever get my appaloosa 
> custom painted I will go with a bright yellow



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[J S]

I’m with you Eric.  My Saluki which I got last winter is a taupe and it
looks great with brown and grays.  If I was ready to sell my Hillborne I
would order a Silver tomorrow.  But it makes no sense.  If someone was hot
for a bright orange I could be tempted.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think these
> new ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the Hillbornes
> :)
>
> I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda
> warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and warm
> bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing,
> maxing out the neutrals.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as it
>> was the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my
>> favorite color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the Black
>> (like your repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful colors.
>> There are probably others I have not seen but that silver has my vote.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are
>>> such great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see the
>>> paint colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but the
>>> RBW blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are
>>> rel good.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 But that green is causing it to heat back up

 On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien 
> wrote:
>
 It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell
>> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a
>>> lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are 
>>> spectacular.
>>> Don't doddle!
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:

> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm
> and fits as it should.
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size
>> chart on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically 
>> over the
>> years. My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current 
>> batch.
>> When I test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 
>> 56cm I
>> believe, and it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry 
>> changes,
>> but I'd really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and 
>> be at
>> the top end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be 
>> sublime.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I'd love the catalog!!
>>> Houston Wilson
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:
 I've stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from 
 one of the
 sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants 
 it, let me
 know and I can mail it to whomever.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com
 wrote:

> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am
> obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with 
> all of your
> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for 
> me until
> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>
> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
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[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Luke Hendrickson]

Such a SICK frame. That’s what I want next. Easily the most beautiful Riv 
frame to me. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:37:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> So. Many. LUGS!
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:01:16 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> And just because I think every thread benefits from pictures, here are a 
>> few from the listing. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> That thing sold *fast*. There was another Bombadill up this week with a 
>>> bid but someone went ahead and hit Buy It Now. 
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:12:55 AM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>
 I'm so curious who bought the beautiful Bombadil that was on ebay 
 recently.  The frame only, in a beautiful yellow, with the lng 
 diagonal 
 tube.I've never seen one like it and I think if I ever get my appaloosa 
 custom painted I will go with a bright yellow
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Anyone in Sacramento have a Tosco bar?

[luckyturnip]

I’m looking to mock up a build with a Tosco before I commit. Anyone in 
Sacramento area happen to have one?
—Liz

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[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Joe Bernard]

So. Many. LUGS!

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:01:16 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> And just because I think every thread benefits from pictures, here are a 
> few from the listing. 
>
> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>
> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> That thing sold *fast*. There was another Bombadill up this week with a 
>> bid but someone went ahead and hit Buy It Now. 
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:12:55 AM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> I'm so curious who bought the beautiful Bombadil that was on ebay 
>>> recently.  The frame only, in a beautiful yellow, with the lng diagonal 
>>> tube.I've never seen one like it and I think if I ever get my appaloosa 
>>> custom painted I will go with a bright yellow
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Eric Marth]

That thing sold *fast*. There was another Bombadill up this week with a bid 
but someone went ahead and hit Buy It Now. 
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:12:55 AM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I'm so curious who bought the beautiful Bombadil that was on ebay 
> recently.  The frame only, in a beautiful yellow, with the lng diagonal 
> tube.I've never seen one like it and I think if I ever get my appaloosa 
> custom painted I will go with a bright yellow

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Eric Marth]

Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think these new 
ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the Hillbornes :) 

I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and warm 
bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing, 
maxing out the neutrals. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as it was 
> the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my favorite 
> color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the Black (like your 
> repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful colors. There are 
> probably others I have not seen but that silver has my vote. 
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are such 
>> great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see the paint 
>> colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but the RBW 
>> blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are rel 
>> good. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But that green is causing it to heat back up 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down. 

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

>>> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell 
> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a 
>> lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are 
>> spectacular. 
>> Don't doddle! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>>
 Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm 
 and fits as it should.  

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  
 wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart 
> on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the 
> years. 
> My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. 
> When I 
> test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I 
> believe, and it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry 
> changes, 
> but I'd really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be 
> at 
> the top end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be 
> sublime.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I'd love the catalog!! 
>> Houston Wilson
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  
>>> I've stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from 
>>> one of the 
>>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, 
>>> let me 
>>> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am 
 obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all 
 of your 
 experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for 
 me until 
 I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

 Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Eric Marth]

John, I've never been to Japan! But I've collected a few tidbits in the 
olde mental filing cabinet. 

I'd love to do some riding in Japan one day, hopefully with some 
shinrin-yoku included. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:46:35 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Groovy, Eric! That's on the island of Shikoku. Have you lived in Japan?
>
> Very cool article on the Zero Waste facility. I was, however, nonplussed 
> by this statement: "Kamikatsu's main industry was once forestry, but all 
> that remains of this today are neglected cedar forests." The many cedar 
> forests that I spent time in while in Japan were anything but. I do believe 
> the Japanese have the wisdom to understand the difference between humans 
> managing a forest and letting a forest manage itself. In addition, the 
> Japanese can see clearly beyond the idea of wood being the singular 
> resource of a forest. Shinrin-yoku, forest bathing, is a deep, active 
> cultural practice. Another of my favorite things about living in Japan.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I might have shared this somewhere else on the forum a while back but I'm 
>> also reminded of the stunning recycling center in Kamikatsu that's built 
>> mostly from recycled materials. More info and pictures here.  
>> 
>>
>> [image: 
>> kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture_dezeen_2364_col_0-1704x1136.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 
>> kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture-1704x1136.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:34:36 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> I love rescuing stuff from the trash, my friend Gil and I have done this 
>>> for years and we are often subtly one-upping one another with stuff we find 
>>> in dumpsters and on the side of the road. Among my best finds: a fully 
>>> functional, late-model Kitchen Aid stand mixer, a Lightspeed carbon tri 
>>> bike with full Dura Ace and a quilted Ciocc with Campy Athena. Also found a 
>>> new Japanese hand hoe in a dumpster, not of great value but beautiful and 
>>> useful (I was working on an organic farm at the time). 
>>>
>>> This poster detailing waste disposal in Osaka, Japan is like a fentanyl 
>>> patch laid gently on my nucleus accumbens. They really take great care. 
>>>
>>> [image: DKMBRmcXcAAIBhz.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:41:52 AM UTC-5 rus...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve used a 2016 Campagnolo Chorus FD with 46 x 34 and 46 x 30 doubles 
 with good results. The Chorus derailleur was originally from a 52 x 39 
 setup. 

 Russell Duncan 
 Leverett, MA USA

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:46:03 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> For my Rivendell Custom, I use a Dura-Ace FD-7800 (31.8 integral 
> clamp, 10-speed era) with my RenéHERSE 42-26 double. Chain is a Dura-Ace 
> 11 speed (ultrasonically cleaned and waxed), cassette is a Dura-Ace 12-28 
> 11 speed. Rear derailleur is a Dura-Ace RD-7700GS (large pulleys, 9-speed 
> era). Friction shifted with frame mounted Silver-1 shifters. Everything 
> works the way it should. 25 to 95 gear range. Basically a 1x system (40 
> to 
> 95) on the 42T with a 26T granny bail-out.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:48:03 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the 
>> originally 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact 
>> doubles I run on many of my bikes.
>>
>> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact 
>> doubles, like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>>
>> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks 
>> curiosity 
>> +
>> Hudson Valley NY
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 
>>> 20th century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - 
>>> shifting 
>>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>>
>>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Aaron and Scott,

 I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is 
 a 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on 
 mounted 
 one so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it 
 shifts beautifully.

 Cheers,
 John

 On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by 
> space between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>
> Such 

Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[John Rinker]

Groovy, Eric! That's on the island of Shikoku. Have you lived in Japan?

Very cool article on the Zero Waste facility. I was, however, nonplussed by 
this statement: "Kamikatsu's main industry was once forestry, but all that 
remains of this today are neglected cedar forests." The many cedar forests 
that I spent time in while in Japan were anything but. I do believe the 
Japanese have the wisdom to understand the difference between humans 
managing a forest and letting a forest manage itself. In addition, the 
Japanese can see clearly beyond the idea of wood being the singular 
resource of a forest. Shinrin-yoku, forest bathing, is a deep, active 
cultural practice. Another of my favorite things about living in Japan.

Cheers,
John

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I might have shared this somewhere else on the forum a while back but I'm 
> also reminded of the stunning recycling center in Kamikatsu that's built 
> mostly from recycled materials. More info and pictures here.  
> 
>
> [image: 
> kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture_dezeen_2364_col_0-1704x1136.jpg]
>
> [image: 
> kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture-1704x1136.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:34:36 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> I love rescuing stuff from the trash, my friend Gil and I have done this 
>> for years and we are often subtly one-upping one another with stuff we find 
>> in dumpsters and on the side of the road. Among my best finds: a fully 
>> functional, late-model Kitchen Aid stand mixer, a Lightspeed carbon tri 
>> bike with full Dura Ace and a quilted Ciocc with Campy Athena. Also found a 
>> new Japanese hand hoe in a dumpster, not of great value but beautiful and 
>> useful (I was working on an organic farm at the time). 
>>
>> This poster detailing waste disposal in Osaka, Japan is like a fentanyl 
>> patch laid gently on my nucleus accumbens. They really take great care. 
>>
>> [image: DKMBRmcXcAAIBhz.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:41:52 AM UTC-5 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve used a 2016 Campagnolo Chorus FD with 46 x 34 and 46 x 30 doubles 
>>> with good results. The Chorus derailleur was originally from a 52 x 39 
>>> setup. 
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan 
>>> Leverett, MA USA
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:46:03 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 For my Rivendell Custom, I use a Dura-Ace FD-7800 (31.8 integral clamp, 
 10-speed era) with my RenéHERSE 42-26 double. Chain is a Dura-Ace 11 
 speed 
 (ultrasonically cleaned and waxed), cassette is a Dura-Ace 12-28 11 speed. 
 Rear derailleur is a Dura-Ace RD-7700GS (large pulleys, 9-speed era). 
 Friction shifted with frame mounted Silver-1 shifters. Everything works 
 the 
 way it should. 25 to 95 gear range. Basically a 1x system (40 to 95) on 
 the 
 42T with a 26T granny bail-out.

 Laing

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:48:03 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:

> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the 
> originally 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact 
> doubles I run on many of my bikes.
>
> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact 
> doubles, like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>
> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity 
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 
>> 20th century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - 
>> shifting 
>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>
>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>>
>>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 
>>> 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted 
>>> one 
>>> so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it 
>>> shifts 
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by 
 space between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?

 Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
 building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for 
 it. 
 Think I just found some direction...

 Scott

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 

[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Ryan Frahm]

I feel very happy with my 2 Rivendell bikes stable. I use my Clem H 
everyday for groceries and towing my daughter around (studded tires with 
fenders now). It could easily be stripped down and be a fantastic dirt road 
exploration bike, but I am fortunate to have a Susie for that and the Susie 
has an incredible ride!I’d love to add something like a Sam for lighter, 
quicker rides, but I’m slow on any bike so I doubt it would make a big 
difference.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:33:38 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Yes...indeed we do, Bill. And all of them have a story
>
> I do like your thinking
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:10:22 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Keith articulated a problem statement:
>>
>> "The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
>> optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
>> you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
>> and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
>> of you."
>>
>> While I have no doubt that this kind of things DOES happen, I reject the 
>> notion that it MUST happen.  People acquire bikes for lots of reasons, and 
>> later on change their minds about the bike and get rid of them.  Curating a 
>> stable takes effort and self-knowledge, but a well-curated stable is not 
>> impossible.  Plenty of people have stables of 5, 10 or even more bikes, and 
>> are perfectly content to keep them all.  N+1 does not require one to fall 
>> out of love with another bike.  It only depends how much room one has in 
>> their heart for bikes.  Some of us have VERY LARGE HEARTS.  
>>
>> Bill "big-hearted" Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> People typically choose two Rivendell bikes by thinking about what the 
>>> eventual third one will be, and by calculating how they will all complement 
>>> each other and round things out.
>>>
>>> This sounds sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it's common in practice because 
>>> of the addiction/collector gene that all bike geeks possess.   N+1 is 
>>> real.  You're always going to "think" you need another:  One that's lighter 
>>> and suited for long, fast paved trips; or one that has fatter tires and is 
>>> better suited for exploring dirt roads and trails;  or better equipped for 
>>> loaded touring; or one that's equipped as a town bike for shopping and 
>>> carrying things; or one that's robust and fendered for winter commuting.  
>>> So what seems like an obvious answer is to get two models that are as 
>>> different as possible - like a Roadini and a Gus - to cover all bases 
>>> but this thinking is a trap.  
>>>
>>> The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
>>> optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
>>> you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
>>> and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
>>> of you.
>>>
>>> My advice would be to do the opposite:  Think about the range of riding 
>>> that you do on a *regular* basis, and pick two models separated only by 
>>> that degree of optimization.   If you don't regularly do group rides with 
>>> roadies, you really don't need that Roadini.  If you don't live in the 
>>> mountains, you really don't need that Gus.  If you don't plan to tour - or 
>>> could get by with a lighter load or credit card the one time you do - then 
>>> you don't really need an Atlantis.  You can ALWAYS do those things on any 
>>> other Rivendell model.  You might just go a tiny bit slower.  
>>>
>>> With this thinking, you'll admittedly end up with bikes with a lot of 
>>> functional overlap, but I promise you'll use both of them more.  If you 
>>> tinker with one at a time, you can also experiment with things like 
>>> different cockpit setups and gearing and tires to your heart's content, 
>>> without finding yourself without a bike to ride mid-project, while you're 
>>> tracking down some obscure spacer or ferrule that you didn't know you 
>>> needed.  
>>>
>>> So unless you really DO participate in those more extreme activities, 
>>> you could maybe get a Sam if your tire and fender clearance are good but 
>>> you think you'll regularly need a stiffer frame than the Platypus.  Or get 
>>> a Clem L if you like the step-through but regularly need fatter tires than 
>>> the Platypus.
>>>
>>> Leah, when faced with your exact quandary, did the smartest thing ever 
>>> and just got a second Platypus!  
>>>
>>> I started accumulating rivendells (and other bikes) at a different 
>>> time.  Compared to the much older and more speciaiized ones that I own, the 
>>> current range of Rivendell bikes - with the longer top tubes and longer 
>>> chainstays and slacker head angles and increased tire clearance - across 
>>> the entire range -  are SO good.  Combined with the ready availability of 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Ryan]

Yes...indeed we do, Bill. And all of them have a story

I do like your thinking

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:10:22 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Keith articulated a problem statement:
>
> "The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
> optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
> you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
> and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
> of you."
>
> While I have no doubt that this kind of things DOES happen, I reject the 
> notion that it MUST happen.  People acquire bikes for lots of reasons, and 
> later on change their minds about the bike and get rid of them.  Curating a 
> stable takes effort and self-knowledge, but a well-curated stable is not 
> impossible.  Plenty of people have stables of 5, 10 or even more bikes, and 
> are perfectly content to keep them all.  N+1 does not require one to fall 
> out of love with another bike.  It only depends how much room one has in 
> their heart for bikes.  Some of us have VERY LARGE HEARTS.  
>
> Bill "big-hearted" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> People typically choose two Rivendell bikes by thinking about what the 
>> eventual third one will be, and by calculating how they will all complement 
>> each other and round things out.
>>
>> This sounds sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it's common in practice because 
>> of the addiction/collector gene that all bike geeks possess.   N+1 is 
>> real.  You're always going to "think" you need another:  One that's lighter 
>> and suited for long, fast paved trips; or one that has fatter tires and is 
>> better suited for exploring dirt roads and trails;  or better equipped for 
>> loaded touring; or one that's equipped as a town bike for shopping and 
>> carrying things; or one that's robust and fendered for winter commuting.  
>> So what seems like an obvious answer is to get two models that are as 
>> different as possible - like a Roadini and a Gus - to cover all bases 
>> but this thinking is a trap.  
>>
>> The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
>> optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
>> you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
>> and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
>> of you.
>>
>> My advice would be to do the opposite:  Think about the range of riding 
>> that you do on a *regular* basis, and pick two models separated only by 
>> that degree of optimization.   If you don't regularly do group rides with 
>> roadies, you really don't need that Roadini.  If you don't live in the 
>> mountains, you really don't need that Gus.  If you don't plan to tour - or 
>> could get by with a lighter load or credit card the one time you do - then 
>> you don't really need an Atlantis.  You can ALWAYS do those things on any 
>> other Rivendell model.  You might just go a tiny bit slower.  
>>
>> With this thinking, you'll admittedly end up with bikes with a lot of 
>> functional overlap, but I promise you'll use both of them more.  If you 
>> tinker with one at a time, you can also experiment with things like 
>> different cockpit setups and gearing and tires to your heart's content, 
>> without finding yourself without a bike to ride mid-project, while you're 
>> tracking down some obscure spacer or ferrule that you didn't know you 
>> needed.  
>>
>> So unless you really DO participate in those more extreme activities, you 
>> could maybe get a Sam if your tire and fender clearance are good but you 
>> think you'll regularly need a stiffer frame than the Platypus.  Or get a 
>> Clem L if you like the step-through but regularly need fatter tires than 
>> the Platypus.
>>
>> Leah, when faced with your exact quandary, did the smartest thing ever 
>> and just got a second Platypus!  
>>
>> I started accumulating rivendells (and other bikes) at a different time.  
>> Compared to the much older and more speciaiized ones that I own, the 
>> current range of Rivendell bikes - with the longer top tubes and longer 
>> chainstays and slacker head angles and increased tire clearance - across 
>> the entire range -  are SO good.  Combined with the ready availability of 
>> quality, fat tires now on the market, it's hard to make a mistake.  I often 
>> think how much simpler my life would be if I got rid of most of what I have 
>> and chose one new one - but I'm too emotionally attached still.   So many 
>> now hang un-used... making me feel guilty... while I inevitably grab the 
>> "one." 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:52:42 PM UTC-7 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
>>> could own.
>>>
>>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
>>> roads? Any definition is 

Re: [RBW] Re: ROADUNO - a new singlespeed!

[Eric Daume]

It reminds me a lot of the dropout on my old Surly Karate Monkey. Maybe
longer though, it’s hard to tell.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The "Quickbeam style ends" were shown on Rivs instagram.  It's a plastic
> prototype, presumably 3d printed.  They are pretty snazzy and consistent
> with lots of the "design vernacular" Rivendell has been using in the
> 2020s.  They are hooded, so it's cheaply tiggable, and leaves tons of
> freedom on angles.  It's got a der hanger in the casting.  It's got some
> frills, and looks stout.  I'm eager to see them in metal and on a frame.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> That sounds about right to me, Eric.  I'm guessing something that is kind
>> of like a Leo Roadini with cantilever brakes, clearance for 50mm tires and
>> Quickbeam-style ends.  I hope it has a long front center to avoid TCO.  My
>> Crust Florida Man has no TCO with 700x50 tires, and I think that's
>> awesome.  My 58cm Quickbeam has a tiny bit of TCO with a 700x42 front tire,
>> and it's annoying.  I'd gladly run a 2cm shorter stem with a 2cm longer
>> front-center and the same HTA.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 6:21:39 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the earlier images, but it’s still not super clear. I’m guessing
>>> it’s like a long wheelbase-sloping top tube Quickbeam?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 The Roaduno samples are on the boat, at the dock in Oakland this week,
 so those sample builds will be along soon.  Exciting.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 7:08:47 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the Gallops are 2023 and they have already gone through two
> proto stages.  I think Roadunos might be further out than that.
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 11:00:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The plan had been that the Prototype Roadunos would be in one of
>> these Summer Shipments.  I think that the prototype Roadunos maybe were 
>> in
>> the shipment with the Atlantis' or maybe will be in the next shipment.
>> Those will be prototypes, so we'll presumably get to see them built up, 
>> and
>> locals can test ride them.  If there are any final tweaks Riv needs to 
>> make
>> on the real production Roadunos, they'll find those goofs on the
>> prototypes.
>>
>> Then, we'll wait.  I think sometime in early 2023 the production
>> Roadunos will be buyable by us.  I had been eagerly awaiting the 
>> prototypes
>> arriving because I am local and was going to give one a test ride.  I 
>> have
>> managed to acquire a Quickbeam and so I'm not as desperate, but I'm still
>> keeping my finger on the pulse.  Folks that are desperate for the 
>> absolute
>> latest should call Will and ask him.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, I wanted to revive this old thread to see if any one has
>>> any new information about when the Roaduno might be released for sale.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 9:27:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 This excerpt is from the August 6 newsletter. I'll be shocked (but
 bake in that I tend towards the skeptical) if we see a Roaduno before 
 2023.

 - The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September
 2020, have been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for 
 sure
 what we can get from our other frame maker - so far all they've said is
 that they'll try their hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no 
 word
 yet on Roadunos, Roadinis, and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make. -

 Joe Bernard

 On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:02:30 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey
 wrote:

> Is there any update on the Roaduno? If there was, I missed it.
>
> ?
>
> M
>
> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 3:52:10 PM UTC-5 Philip
> Williamson wrote:
>
>> How about those colors and graphics?? I love them.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/
>> no-22-december
>> The headbadge is no Rosco Bubbe rocketship, but #2 is quite nice.
>>
>> (Chrome ate my longer post)
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-8 Nathan F wrote:
>>
>>> From today's BLAHG:
>>>
>>> "1. *RoadUno,* a onespeed derailerless country-kind of bike
>>> (not modeled after a track bike). For pavement, town, commutes. 
>>> It's not a

Re: [RBW] Re: ROADUNO - a new singlespeed!

[Bill Lindsay]

The "Quickbeam style ends" were shown on Rivs instagram.  It's a plastic 
prototype, presumably 3d printed.  They are pretty snazzy and consistent 
with lots of the "design vernacular" Rivendell has been using in the 
2020s.  They are hooded, so it's cheaply tiggable, and leaves tons of 
freedom on angles.  It's got a der hanger in the casting.  It's got some 
frills, and looks stout.  I'm eager to see them in metal and on a frame.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> That sounds about right to me, Eric.  I'm guessing something that is kind 
> of like a Leo Roadini with cantilever brakes, clearance for 50mm tires and 
> Quickbeam-style ends.  I hope it has a long front center to avoid TCO.  My 
> Crust Florida Man has no TCO with 700x50 tires, and I think that's 
> awesome.  My 58cm Quickbeam has a tiny bit of TCO with a 700x42 front tire, 
> and it's annoying.  I'd gladly run a 2cm shorter stem with a 2cm longer 
> front-center and the same HTA.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 6:21:39 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I saw the earlier images, but it’s still not super clear. I’m guessing 
>> it’s like a long wheelbase-sloping top tube Quickbeam?
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> The Roaduno samples are on the boat, at the dock in Oakland this week, 
>>> so those sample builds will be along soon.  Exciting.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 7:08:47 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I think the Gallops are 2023 and they have already gone through two 
 proto stages.  I think Roadunos might be further out than that.

 On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 11:00:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The plan had been that the Prototype Roadunos would be in one of these 
> Summer Shipments.  I think that the prototype Roadunos maybe were in the 
> shipment with the Atlantis' or maybe will be in the next shipment.  Those 
> will be prototypes, so we'll presumably get to see them built up, and 
> locals can test ride them.  If there are any final tweaks Riv needs to 
> make 
> on the real production Roadunos, they'll find those goofs on the 
> prototypes.  
>
> Then, we'll wait.  I think sometime in early 2023 the production 
> Roadunos will be buyable by us.  I had been eagerly awaiting the 
> prototypes 
> arriving because I am local and was going to give one a test ride.  I 
> have 
> managed to acquire a Quickbeam and so I'm not as desperate, but I'm still 
> keeping my finger on the pulse.  Folks that are desperate for the 
> absolute 
> latest should call Will and ask him.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I wanted to revive this old thread to see if any one has any 
>> new information about when the Roaduno might be released for sale. 
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 9:27:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This excerpt is from the August 6 newsletter. I'll be shocked (but 
>>> bake in that I tend towards the skeptical) if we see a Roaduno before 
>>> 2023. 
>>>
>>> - The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, 
>>> have been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure 
>>> what we 
>>> can get from our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that 
>>> they'll try their hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet 
>>> on 
>>> Roadunos, Roadinis, and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make. -
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:02:30 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there any update on the Roaduno? If there was, I missed it.

 ?

 M

 On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 3:52:10 PM UTC-5 Philip 
 Williamson wrote:

> How about those colors and graphics?? I love them. 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/no-22-december
> The headbadge is no Rosco Bubbe rocketship, but #2 is quite nice.
>
> (Chrome ate my longer post)
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-8 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> From today's BLAHG:
>>
>> "1. *RoadUno,* a onespeed derailerless country-kind of bike (not 
>> modeled after a track bike). For pavement, town, commutes. It's not 
>> a trail 
>> bike. You can ride it on dirt and gravel roads, but it's kind of 
>> rude to 
>> ride it on hilly and rough trails. More on it way below."
>>
>> Sounds great. I'm praying for purple (no grey or RBW Blue, 
>> 

[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Bill Lindsay]

Keith articulated a problem statement:

"The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
of you."

While I have no doubt that this kind of things DOES happen, I reject the 
notion that it MUST happen.  People acquire bikes for lots of reasons, and 
later on change their minds about the bike and get rid of them.  Curating a 
stable takes effort and self-knowledge, but a well-curated stable is not 
impossible.  Plenty of people have stables of 5, 10 or even more bikes, and 
are perfectly content to keep them all.  N+1 does not require one to fall 
out of love with another bike.  It only depends how much room one has in 
their heart for bikes.  Some of us have VERY LARGE HEARTS.  

Bill "big-hearted" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> People typically choose two Rivendell bikes by thinking about what the 
> eventual third one will be, and by calculating how they will all complement 
> each other and round things out.
>
> This sounds sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it's common in practice because 
> of the addiction/collector gene that all bike geeks possess.   N+1 is 
> real.  You're always going to "think" you need another:  One that's lighter 
> and suited for long, fast paved trips; or one that has fatter tires and is 
> better suited for exploring dirt roads and trails;  or better equipped for 
> loaded touring; or one that's equipped as a town bike for shopping and 
> carrying things; or one that's robust and fendered for winter commuting.  
> So what seems like an obvious answer is to get two models that are as 
> different as possible - like a Roadini and a Gus - to cover all bases 
> but this thinking is a trap.  
>
> The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
> optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
> you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
> and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
> of you.
>
> My advice would be to do the opposite:  Think about the range of riding 
> that you do on a *regular* basis, and pick two models separated only by 
> that degree of optimization.   If you don't regularly do group rides with 
> roadies, you really don't need that Roadini.  If you don't live in the 
> mountains, you really don't need that Gus.  If you don't plan to tour - or 
> could get by with a lighter load or credit card the one time you do - then 
> you don't really need an Atlantis.  You can ALWAYS do those things on any 
> other Rivendell model.  You might just go a tiny bit slower.  
>
> With this thinking, you'll admittedly end up with bikes with a lot of 
> functional overlap, but I promise you'll use both of them more.  If you 
> tinker with one at a time, you can also experiment with things like 
> different cockpit setups and gearing and tires to your heart's content, 
> without finding yourself without a bike to ride mid-project, while you're 
> tracking down some obscure spacer or ferrule that you didn't know you 
> needed.  
>
> So unless you really DO participate in those more extreme activities, you 
> could maybe get a Sam if your tire and fender clearance are good but you 
> think you'll regularly need a stiffer frame than the Platypus.  Or get a 
> Clem L if you like the step-through but regularly need fatter tires than 
> the Platypus.
>
> Leah, when faced with your exact quandary, did the smartest thing ever and 
> just got a second Platypus!  
>
> I started accumulating rivendells (and other bikes) at a different time.  
> Compared to the much older and more speciaiized ones that I own, the 
> current range of Rivendell bikes - with the longer top tubes and longer 
> chainstays and slacker head angles and increased tire clearance - across 
> the entire range -  are SO good.  Combined with the ready availability of 
> quality, fat tires now on the market, it's hard to make a mistake.  I often 
> think how much simpler my life would be if I got rid of most of what I have 
> and chose one new one - but I'm too emotionally attached still.   So many 
> now hang un-used... making me feel guilty... while I inevitably grab the 
> "one." 
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:52:42 PM UTC-7 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
>> could own.
>>
>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
>> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>
>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
>> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
>> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
>> a 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[J S]

Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as it was
the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my favorite
color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the Black (like your
repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful colors. There are
probably others I have not seen but that silver has my vote.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are such
> great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see the paint
> colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but the RBW
> blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are rel
> good.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> But that green is causing it to heat back up
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell
 outs on anything the way it had been happening.

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a
> lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular.
> Don't doddle!
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and
>>> fits as it should.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart
 on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the 
 years.
 My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. 
 When I
 test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I
 believe, and it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry 
 changes,
 but I'd really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be 
 at
 the top end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.

 Paul in AR

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson
 wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> I'd love the catalog!!
> Houston Wilson
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:
>> I've stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one 
>> of the
>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, 
>> let me
>> know and I can mail it to whomever.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am
>>> obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all 
>>> of your
>>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for 
>>> me until
>>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>>
>>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Masa! Are you enjoying your new Platypus? Good to hear from you.The Clem is definitely heavier, and I notice it at my weight. I have replaced a lot of parts with lighter ones (the most expensive being the wheelset) to lighten it up. The Clem accelerates more slowly but trucks along quickly once up to speed. I love the step-thru design - it’s romantic looking and dead practical.The Platy is more nimble and quick to accelerate. It feels notably lighter. I feel like it fits me better, but that’s not something I can quantify or that will necessarily be the same for you.They don’t feel similar - even though they are both step/thru or mixte they are very different machines. I’m glad to have both bikes. I wouldn’t want to part with either.I’m not sure if that was helpful but I ‘m happy to elaborate if you have more questions!LeahOn Dec 6, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Masa  wrote:Hi Leah, I would like to ask you how you compare Platypus and Clem Smith Jr L.They both are step-through but I assume that they feel pretty different when you ride them.And yes, what the nice photo of Slin, Clem and the babies!Masa2022年12月6日火曜日 7:00:58 UTC+9 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!:Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!!  Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? I’m full of the good ideas.On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.Will took it for a spin too:On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:I do love my Saluki that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki just because of the older styling. On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, can carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear and ride the heck out of it more.  This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  Cheers,Matt



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Re: [RBW] How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Eric Daume]

I am currently Riv-less (between Rivs?) but I could cover most of my riding
with a QB for road fixed gear riding and a Gus or Susie for mountain biking
and the occasional overnighter.

It would be hard to give up a dropper post for trail riding, though.

Eric
Who somehow has 7 bikes but surely doesn’t need that many.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Masa  wrote:

> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you
> could own.
>
> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of
> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>
> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere
> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to
> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as
> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>
> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>
> Masa
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Mr. Ray]

Question for the frame building experts.  Obviously the damaged frame 
wasn't repaired by replacing the bent tubes with new tubes etc...  So, what 
method was used to straighten the bent tubes and re-align the frame?  Had 
the frame been properly fixed by replacing the damaged tubes from the lugs 
and then repainted (i.e a different color) this thread wouldn't exist. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:11:31 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I love my Appaloosa and all but the all-caps throttle of WHAT OEN SOLD FOR 
> ON EBAY is too much. All this copy and no build list? 
>
> Matthew, should have said so sooner, but I'm sorry you received a bike in 
> this state and for the agony, annoyance and trauma of having to sort it all 
> out. 
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:08:31 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, 
>> inverted, squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, 
>> steel is really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 
>>
>> It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several 
>> readers here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks 
>> Matthew for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 
>>
>> That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
>> as if there were any doubt. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
 and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a 
 deal! 
 So uncool. 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who 
> is looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>
> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>
> Here's how it went:
>
>
> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>
> **he replies immediately**
>
> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted 
> you to ask that?
>
> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's 
> my opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. 
> Especially 
> for the price you're asking.
>
>
> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the 
> following two messages.*
>
> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>
> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they 
> said 
> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>
>
> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>
> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>>
>> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
>> scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
>> was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it 
>> back 
>> and fixed it."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>>
>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>>
>>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
>>> it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
>>> the 
>>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, 
>>> and 
>>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
>>> the 
>>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while 
>>> I 
>>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent 
>>> it.
>>>
>>> 

[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[iamkeith]

People typically choose two Rivendell bikes by thinking about what the 
eventual third one will be, and by calculating how they will all complement 
each other and round things out.

This sounds sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it's common in practice because of 
the addiction/collector gene that all bike geeks possess.   N+1 is real.  
You're always going to "think" you need another:  One that's lighter and 
suited for long, fast paved trips; or one that has fatter tires and is 
better suited for exploring dirt roads and trails;  or better equipped for 
loaded touring; or one that's equipped as a town bike for shopping and 
carrying things; or one that's robust and fendered for winter commuting.  
So what seems like an obvious answer is to get two models that are as 
different as possible - like a Roadini and a Gus - to cover all bases 
but this thinking is a trap.  

The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
of you.

My advice would be to do the opposite:  Think about the range of riding 
that you do on a *regular* basis, and pick two models separated only by 
that degree of optimization.   If you don't regularly do group rides with 
roadies, you really don't need that Roadini.  If you don't live in the 
mountains, you really don't need that Gus.  If you don't plan to tour - or 
could get by with a lighter load or credit card the one time you do - then 
you don't really need an Atlantis.  You can ALWAYS do those things on any 
other Rivendell model.  You might just go a tiny bit slower.  

With this thinking, you'll admittedly end up with bikes with a lot of 
functional overlap, but I promise you'll use both of them more.  If you 
tinker with one at a time, you can also experiment with things like 
different cockpit setups and gearing and tires to your heart's content, 
without finding yourself without a bike to ride mid-project, while you're 
tracking down some obscure spacer or ferrule that you didn't know you 
needed.  

So unless you really DO participate in those more extreme activities, you 
could maybe get a Sam if your tire and fender clearance are good but you 
think you'll regularly need a stiffer frame than the Platypus.  Or get a 
Clem L if you like the step-through but regularly need fatter tires than 
the Platypus.

Leah, when faced with your exact quandary, did the smartest thing ever and 
just got a second Platypus!  

I started accumulating rivendells (and other bikes) at a different time.  
Compared to the much older and more speciaiized ones that I own, the 
current range of Rivendell bikes - with the longer top tubes and longer 
chainstays and slacker head angles and increased tire clearance - across 
the entire range -  are SO good.  Combined with the ready availability of 
quality, fat tires now on the market, it's hard to make a mistake.  I often 
think how much simpler my life would be if I got rid of most of what I have 
and chose one new one - but I'm too emotionally attached still.   So many 
now hang un-used... making me feel guilty... while I inevitably grab the 
"one." 



On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:52:42 PM UTC-7 Masa wrote:

> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
> could own.
>
> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>
> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>
> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>
> Masa
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[John Dewey]

David, I've matched a beautiful IRD Defiant 94 BCD (I think my only
crankset that didn't come from you  ) with 46 /30 rings and an early
2000s 960 DA XTR front derailer. It all works perfectly together.

Cheers / Jock Dewey

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:48 AM David Hallerman 
wrote:

> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally
> 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run
> on many of my bikes.
>
> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact doubles,
> like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>
> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th
>> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting
>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>
>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>>
>>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a
>>> 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one
>>> so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space
 between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?

 Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm
 building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it.
 Think I just found some direction...

 Scott

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 John,

 Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small
 reminders are the best.

 Best,

 Aaron in El Paso


 p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected.

 On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:

 One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any
 trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a
 special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is
 complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.

 It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful
 furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While
 technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two
 years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the
 gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia
 racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The
 Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and
 the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their
 goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception.

 Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes,
 while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering
 up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a
 beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech.

 Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my
 Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works
 beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.

 I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of
 countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the
 mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.

 Cheers, John
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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Ryan]

Well, once you have one, temptation to add N + 1 is hard to resist. They 
may be expensive but they are worth it and they never seem to go out of 
style. I can sure think of worse things to spend money on...and my excuse 
is that they are my one material indulgence; I don't really care that much 
about the acquisition of other stuff.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:48:45 AM UTC-6 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm going with CLEM L and any big tire road bike. One for riding loaded 
> (ha!) and one for a "spirited" pace with minimal portage, definitely no 
> racks. I had a toyo homer but got rid of it because of the overlap in my 
> collection, but that would be my choice for "second riv".
>
> [image: 52493339449_3d724aeec9_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 52253719107_158f57448d_c.jpg]
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:37:14 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>> I think a lot of it has to do with how you set 'em up, but I have a 
>> "work" and "play" two Riv set up. Atlantis is work horse with racks, basket 
>> on the front, Sackville saddle sack for laptop, lunch, incidentals, upright 
>> bars, etc... I can carry a lot on it, it's stable loaded up, etc... I have 
>> a Sam Hillborne that's just to ride for fun. No racks, Swift Zeitgeist on 
>> the front for layers, snacks, phone/keys/wallet, x-small saddle sack on the 
>> back for tools/flat kit, drop bars. I like having a somewhat lighter and 
>> zippier bike to ride when I don't need to carry anything and I'm just going 
>> out for fun.
>>
>> Now...I do ride my Atlantis for fun now and then, and I have taken the 
>> Sam to work when I don't have more than a lunch to carry with me. It's nice 
>> to ride one where you'd normally ride the other to see how each performs 
>> outside of the normal use.
>>
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:18:49 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Homer and HHH in the shed among other bikes. I'm on the fence 
>>> about getting a Platypus: I'd use it as an all-rounder commuter, like my 
>>> Homer. I have a medium saddlesack and 137 basket, which handles most of 
>>> what I would want to carry by bike. 
>>>
>>> I'd add a lightweight one-speed, like the coming RoadUno. Whenever I 
>>> strip down the Homer for maintenance and ride it (sans racks), it always 
>>> sparks joy. I would try to leave it as a minimal bike that's for Just 
>>> Riding. 
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>> shoji
>>> arlington ma
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:30:20 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 When I started buying Rivendells after owning a 93 X0-1 (still have 
 it), I started with the classic All-Rounder ordered in 1997. Since I still 
 did longer road rides I got a custom Road in 2001 to replace a nice enough 
 Rossin I had and later sold...fast but not especially comfortable since it 
 was a typical Italian racing bike, so harsh with our roads the way they 
 are. The Riv road is a great-riding bike, as is the all-rounder.

 I ordered a custom mixte late 2015 for my retirement bike but (I'm 
 embarrassed to confess) don't ride it much mainly because it's a bit of a 
 pain getting it up and down the narrow flight of stairs to my apartment 
 and 
 I won't lock it up in the garage; a little too risky. Not ready to let it 
 go just yet, though, and if I were to sell it I doubt I'd recoup what I 
 paid for it. Money aside, though, I put a lot of thought into how it was 
 built up and it should be ridden. Fore and aft fit needs a little tweaking 
 and I do plan to ride it more in the spring. Should practice the mixte 
 deadlift like the Riv sisters often post



 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:40:09 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> It's really rare to see the old Rivendells where I live so that I'm 
> not familiar to them but I always hear that Hunqapillar is one of the 
> most 
> popular/admired Rivendells. I assume that you like the one you own much. 
> AlsoI wonder if there is a significant difference you find between 
> Hunqapillar and Appaloosa while they would be redundant.
>
> 2022年12月6日火曜日 20:50:09 UTC+9 captaincon...@gmail.com:
>
>> I have my Hunqapillar and my partner has a Rosco Bubbaloosa ATB 
>> Mixte, so that's two.  I currently have a Quickbeam too, but that's on 
>> its 
>> own way out.  I also owned a Sam Hillborne, but gasp, I was never 
>> comfortable enough on it.  The only current Riv that I like is the 
>> Appaloosa, but it would be redundant.  I have always wanted a 
>> canti-Romulus 
>> or an All Rounder and would buy either if it wasn't a hassle in any way.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:16:02 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing 
>>> looking bike!
>>> It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting 
>>> with one bike. In my case there aren't 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Eric Marth]

I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are such 
great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see the paint 
colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but the RBW 
blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are rel 
good. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> But that green is causing it to heat back up 
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell 
>>> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a 
 lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular. 
 Don't doddle! 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>
>> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and 
>> fits as it should.  
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart 
>>> on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the 
>>> years. 
>>> My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When 
>>> I 
>>> test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I 
>>> believe, and it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry 
>>> changes, 
>>> but I'd really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be 
>>> at 
>>> the top end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill,

 I'd love the catalog!! 
 Houston Wilson
 Los Angeles, CA

 On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  
> I've stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one 
> of the 
> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, 
> let me 
> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am 
>> obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all 
>> of your 
>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
>> until 
>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>
>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Edward Garnica]

But that green is causing it to heat back up

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien 
> wrote:
>
>> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell
>> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a
>>> lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular.
>>> Don't doddle!
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:

> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and
> fits as it should.
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on
>> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. 
>> My
>> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I 
>> test
>> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, 
>> and
>> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd
>> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top
>> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I'd love the catalog!!
>>> Houston Wilson
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've
 stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the
 sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, 
 let me
 know and I can mail it to whomever.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com
 wrote:

> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am
> obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of 
> your
> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
> until
> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>
> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Eric Daume]

I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell
> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a lugged
>> Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular. Don't
>> doddle!
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>>
 Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and
 fits as it should.

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton 
 wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on
> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. 
> My
> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I 
> test
> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, 
> and
> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd
> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top
> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I'd love the catalog!!
>> Houston Wilson
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've
>>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the
>>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let 
>>> me
>>> know and I can mail it to whomever.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am
 obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of 
 your
 experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
 until
 I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

 Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Ben Mihovk]

Hello!
I think a lot of it has to do with how you set 'em up, but I have a "work" 
and "play" two Riv set up. Atlantis is work horse with racks, basket on the 
front, Sackville saddle sack for laptop, lunch, incidentals, upright bars, 
etc... I can carry a lot on it, it's stable loaded up, etc... I have a Sam 
Hillborne that's just to ride for fun. No racks, Swift Zeitgeist on the 
front for layers, snacks, phone/keys/wallet, x-small saddle sack on the 
back for tools/flat kit, drop bars. I like having a somewhat lighter and 
zippier bike to ride when I don't need to carry anything and I'm just going 
out for fun.

Now...I do ride my Atlantis for fun now and then, and I have taken the Sam 
to work when I don't have more than a lunch to carry with me. It's nice to 
ride one where you'd normally ride the other to see how each performs 
outside of the normal use.

Ben in Omaha 


On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:18:49 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> I have a Homer and HHH in the shed among other bikes. I'm on the fence 
> about getting a Platypus: I'd use it as an all-rounder commuter, like my 
> Homer. I have a medium saddlesack and 137 basket, which handles most of 
> what I would want to carry by bike. 
>
> I'd add a lightweight one-speed, like the coming RoadUno. Whenever I strip 
> down the Homer for maintenance and ride it (sans racks), it always sparks 
> joy. I would try to leave it as a minimal bike that's for Just Riding. 
>
> Enjoy!
> shoji
> arlington ma
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:30:20 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> When I started buying Rivendells after owning a 93 X0-1 (still have it), 
>> I started with the classic All-Rounder ordered in 1997. Since I still did 
>> longer road rides I got a custom Road in 2001 to replace a nice enough 
>> Rossin I had and later sold...fast but not especially comfortable since it 
>> was a typical Italian racing bike, so harsh with our roads the way they 
>> are. The Riv road is a great-riding bike, as is the all-rounder.
>>
>> I ordered a custom mixte late 2015 for my retirement bike but (I'm 
>> embarrassed to confess) don't ride it much mainly because it's a bit of a 
>> pain getting it up and down the narrow flight of stairs to my apartment and 
>> I won't lock it up in the garage; a little too risky. Not ready to let it 
>> go just yet, though, and if I were to sell it I doubt I'd recoup what I 
>> paid for it. Money aside, though, I put a lot of thought into how it was 
>> built up and it should be ridden. Fore and aft fit needs a little tweaking 
>> and I do plan to ride it more in the spring. Should practice the mixte 
>> deadlift like the Riv sisters often post
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:40:09 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> It's really rare to see the old Rivendells where I live so that I'm not 
>>> familiar to them but I always hear that Hunqapillar is one of the most 
>>> popular/admired Rivendells. I assume that you like the one you own much. 
>>> AlsoI wonder if there is a significant difference you find between 
>>> Hunqapillar and Appaloosa while they would be redundant.
>>>
>>> 2022年12月6日火曜日 20:50:09 UTC+9 captaincon...@gmail.com:
>>>
 I have my Hunqapillar and my partner has a Rosco Bubbaloosa ATB Mixte, 
 so that's two.  I currently have a Quickbeam too, but that's on its own 
 way 
 out.  I also owned a Sam Hillborne, but gasp, I was never comfortable 
 enough on it.  The only current Riv that I like is the Appaloosa, but it 
 would be redundant.  I have always wanted a canti-Romulus or an All 
 Rounder 
 and would buy either if it wasn't a hassle in any way.

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:16:02 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing 
> looking bike!
> It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting 
> with one bike. In my case there aren't many trails near here in Tokyo so 
> that I made my Platypus as a commuter/grocery bike (43c semi slicked 
> Gravel 
> King, RMX pedal, chain guard, basket and fenders etc).
>
> I'm happy with the current build of my Platypus so I would rather keep 
> it as it is than installing too much stuff to spoil the purpose of the 
> bike.
> Therefore I can understand that you would like to keep the Atlantis 
> as-is and own another one even though Atlantis (also Platypus) is called 
> all-rounder.
>
> I hope you will have a good feeling and luck with the next batch of 
> Roadini (if I'm not mistaken, you mean there will be lugged Roadinis!?).
> I will ride the Platypus more and see which one would be good for my 
> second Riv or even the Platypus actually does all for me.
> Until then let's enjoy our current bikes!
>
> Masa
>  
>
> 2022年12月6日火曜日 15:10:21 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:
>
>>
>> Hey Masa!
>>
>> Great question. I currently have a MIT Atlantis 

Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Hey, Luke:
Please forgive off thread topic question but what cantilevers are you running 
that allows you to run a 2.4 on your MIT Atlantis. I'm building one now and 
part of my decision to get an MIT Atlantis was seeing on Riv's website the 
ability to run a 2.4 "comfortably." I called Riv to ask about 2.4 clearance, 
and Will was gracious enough to fit a set of 2.4 front and rear and get back to 
me with his findings. He said there was a bit more room out back, about 5 mm of 
clearance between tire and stay, and a little less room up front, about 3 mm of 
clearance. Surfing the Riv site the other day, I see they changed in the bike's 
description for tire clearance from 2.4 to 2.3.
Please share your thoughts on brakes choice and tire clearance.
Thanks so much,
Scott

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 01:06:58 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:  
 
 
Hey Masa!
Great question. I currently have a MIT Atlantis set up with cantilevers and a 
rack and larger Maxxis tires (29” x 2.4” in the front and 29” x 2.3” in the 
rear). I’ve found that it’s a pleasurable upright cruiser around San Francisco, 
a real ripper on mtb trails in Marin, and a wonderful commuter. I believe that 
it would fender rather well and be a great bike to do some randonneuring as 
well. The main reason I would get another Riv would be to keep thus bike as-is 
rather than changing it each time I wanted to do more road-ish riding with 
fenders. Then again, fenders and a tire change/second wheelset would solve 
that. 
I have been anxiously awaiting the next lugged iteration of the Roadini. I 
tried Will’s out not long after this last batch and it was a smooth and stable 
bike. Nimble and grounded while being zippy, I immediately wanted to build up a 
road bike around that frame. As is, I’m going to wait it out for the next batch 
of them and see how I feel then.On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 
Masa wrote:

Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you could 
own.
Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of roads? 
Any definition is welcome.
I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere for 
any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to know how 
you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as a reference 
(possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
I hope you enjoy the topic!
Masa





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Re: [RBW] Re: Derailleur precision and wear characteristics for 11+ speed systems

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:46:25 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ben and Ted: So 11+ does not require electricity. Thanks, good to know, 
> even if only for academic reasons. 
>

My experience with SRAM 11 speed has been good. SRAM was the first to 
advertise a lower actuation ratio - "Exact Actuation" - which increases the 
amount of cable pull for a given amount of derailer travel. That allows 
more room for error in the cables. 

Ted Durant 
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Eric Marth]

I love my Appaloosa and all but the all-caps throttle of WHAT OEN SOLD FOR 
ON EBAY is too much. All this copy and no build list? 

Matthew, should have said so sooner, but I'm sorry you received a bike in 
this state and for the agony, annoyance and trauma of having to sort it all 
out. 
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:08:31 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, 
> inverted, squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, 
> steel is really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 
>
> It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several 
> readers here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks 
> Matthew for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 
>
> That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
> as if there were any doubt. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>>
>> Agreed.
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
>>> and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! 
>>> So uncool. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who 
 is looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.

 The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 

 Here's how it went:


 *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?

 **he replies immediately**

 *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted 
 you to ask that?

 *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
 opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
 for the price you're asking.


 *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the 
 following two messages.*

 *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx

 *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
 appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
 talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
 listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
 what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they 
 said 
 is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
 thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John


 The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
 interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
 read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 

 I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 


 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
> scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
> was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back 
> and fixed it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
>> it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
>> the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, 
>> and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
>> the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>
>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: 
>> rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL 
>> ad. Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>
>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Eric Marth]

Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, inverted, 
squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, steel is 
really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 

It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several readers 
here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks Matthew 
for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 

That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
as if there were any doubt. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

>
> Agreed.
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
>> and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! 
>> So uncool. 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
>>> looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>>>
>>> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>>>
>>> Here's how it went:
>>>
>>>
>>> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>>>
>>> **he replies immediately**
>>>
>>> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you 
>>> to ask that?
>>>
>>> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
>>> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
>>> for the price you're asking.
>>>
>>>
>>> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
>>> two messages.*
>>>
>>> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>>>
>>> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
>>> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
>>> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
>>> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
>>> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said 
>>> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
>>> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>>>
>>>
>>> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
>>> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
>>> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>>>
>>> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:

 "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
 scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
 was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back 
 and fixed it."




 On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."

 Well that's one way to put it! 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
> tried to capture the bent ends.
>
> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
> it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
> the 
> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, 
> and 
> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
> the 
> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>
> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: 
> rear_full_3607.jpg]
>
> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL 
> ad. Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>
> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>
>
>
>  


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[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

[Ben Mihovk]

I, too, am interested in flaring out the drops in a noodle after seen Ronny 
Romance do it on a video. 


Thanks for all the insights everyone. I know I like the feel of 54cm for 
hand position on my Choco bars, though they are a lot closer to me. I feel 
just a little wobbly with 48cm Noodle bars and I feel like the 54cm would 
just nail the feel that I want when riding. I don't think I'll need to 
change my stem length after thinking about it. I did a little experiment 
with reach sitting at a chair and marking 48cm and 58cm lines on the edge 
of a desk and the difference in feel touching my index fingers to both sets 
of lines. Negligible. Plus, as someone who'd only had a drop bar bike for 
one year, I have a little more getting used to to the saddle position that 
gets me in the hoods.

Thanks again, all! 
Ben in Omaha 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:25:48 PM UTC-6 J wrote:

> I'd be interested in seeing an example of the 54mm Noodle bar. I've been 
> considering them after breaking in my old MTB musculoskeletal system to be 
> more drop bar friendly using the older models of Crust Towel Racks starting 
> at the widest and now the most narrow. I'd still throw the Noodle in a vice 
> to flair them out a bit further but the shape looks very nice. 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:49:17 PM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If you like the reach with 9cm stem, I would just swap out the 48's for 
>> the 54's.. not a huge difference in width (1 inch per side?).   In fact, I 
>> just made this exact switch about a month ago on my 65cm Homer and kept the 
>> same stem with no ill effects.  I think this 54 noodle bar strikes a real 
>> sweet spot for taller riders like myself who don't necessarily need the 
>> full-on wide wide options that have become so popular.  
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be inclined to try the stem you have first IF you hadn't mentioned 
>>> it already feels a smidge long to you. In this case it's probably not worth 
>>> sliding your brand new bars through a stem you're very likely not going to 
>>> be happy with, then do it again. I'd get something 2cm shorter at least. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Everyone!
 In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
 stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
 same...right? 

 I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is 
 pretty good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm 
 noodle 
 bar, I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 

 Thanks for your thoughts!
 Ben in Omaha 




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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I have a Homer and HHH in the shed among other bikes. I'm on the fence 
about getting a Platypus: I'd use it as an all-rounder commuter, like my 
Homer. I have a medium saddlesack and 137 basket, which handles most of 
what I would want to carry by bike. 

I'd add a lightweight one-speed, like the coming RoadUno. Whenever I strip 
down the Homer for maintenance and ride it (sans racks), it always sparks 
joy. I would try to leave it as a minimal bike that's for Just Riding. 

Enjoy!
shoji
arlington ma


On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:30:20 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> When I started buying Rivendells after owning a 93 X0-1 (still have it), I 
> started with the classic All-Rounder ordered in 1997. Since I still did 
> longer road rides I got a custom Road in 2001 to replace a nice enough 
> Rossin I had and later sold...fast but not especially comfortable since it 
> was a typical Italian racing bike, so harsh with our roads the way they 
> are. The Riv road is a great-riding bike, as is the all-rounder.
>
> I ordered a custom mixte late 2015 for my retirement bike but (I'm 
> embarrassed to confess) don't ride it much mainly because it's a bit of a 
> pain getting it up and down the narrow flight of stairs to my apartment and 
> I won't lock it up in the garage; a little too risky. Not ready to let it 
> go just yet, though, and if I were to sell it I doubt I'd recoup what I 
> paid for it. Money aside, though, I put a lot of thought into how it was 
> built up and it should be ridden. Fore and aft fit needs a little tweaking 
> and I do plan to ride it more in the spring. Should practice the mixte 
> deadlift like the Riv sisters often post
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:40:09 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>
>> It's really rare to see the old Rivendells where I live so that I'm not 
>> familiar to them but I always hear that Hunqapillar is one of the most 
>> popular/admired Rivendells. I assume that you like the one you own much. 
>> AlsoI wonder if there is a significant difference you find between 
>> Hunqapillar and Appaloosa while they would be redundant.
>>
>> 2022年12月6日火曜日 20:50:09 UTC+9 captaincon...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> I have my Hunqapillar and my partner has a Rosco Bubbaloosa ATB Mixte, 
>>> so that's two.  I currently have a Quickbeam too, but that's on its own way 
>>> out.  I also owned a Sam Hillborne, but gasp, I was never comfortable 
>>> enough on it.  The only current Riv that I like is the Appaloosa, but it 
>>> would be redundant.  I have always wanted a canti-Romulus or an All Rounder 
>>> and would buy either if it wasn't a hassle in any way.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:16:02 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>>
 Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing 
 looking bike!
 It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting with 
 one bike. In my case there aren't many trails near here in Tokyo so that I 
 made my Platypus as a commuter/grocery bike (43c semi slicked Gravel King, 
 RMX pedal, chain guard, basket and fenders etc).

 I'm happy with the current build of my Platypus so I would rather keep 
 it as it is than installing too much stuff to spoil the purpose of the 
 bike.
 Therefore I can understand that you would like to keep the Atlantis 
 as-is and own another one even though Atlantis (also Platypus) is called 
 all-rounder.

 I hope you will have a good feeling and luck with the next batch of 
 Roadini (if I'm not mistaken, you mean there will be lugged Roadinis!?).
 I will ride the Platypus more and see which one would be good for my 
 second Riv or even the Platypus actually does all for me.
 Until then let's enjoy our current bikes!

 Masa
  

 2022年12月6日火曜日 15:10:21 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:

>
> Hey Masa!
>
> Great question. I currently have a MIT Atlantis set up with 
> cantilevers and a rack and larger Maxxis tires (29” x 2.4” in the front 
> and 
> 29” x 2.3” in the rear). I’ve found that it’s a pleasurable upright 
> cruiser 
> around San Francisco, a real ripper on mtb trails in Marin, and a 
> wonderful 
> commuter. I believe that it would fender rather well and be a great bike 
> to 
> do some randonneuring as well. The main reason I would get another Riv 
> would be to keep thus bike as-is rather than changing it each time I 
> wanted 
> to do more road-ish riding with fenders. Then again, fenders and a tire 
> change/second wheelset would solve that. 
>
> I have been anxiously awaiting the next lugged iteration of the 
> Roadini. I tried Will’s out not long after this last batch and it was a 
> smooth and stable bike. Nimble and grounded while being zippy, I 
> immediately wanted to build up a road bike around that frame. As is, I’m 
> going to wait it out for the next batch of them and see how I feel then.
> On Monday, 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Doug H.]

I agree with Joe on this one. If a mixte/step-thru isn't for you then the 
Sam seems to be a great option. Those lugs and those colors are nice.
Doug

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:17:13 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell 
> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a lugged 
>> Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular. Don't 
>> doddle! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>>
 Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and 
 fits as it should.  

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  
 wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. 
> My 
> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I 
> test 
> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, 
> and 
> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I'd love the catalog!! 
>> Houston Wilson
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
>>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
>>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let 
>>> me 
>>> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am 
 obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of 
 your 
 experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
 until 
 I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

 Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

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[RBW] ISO: 59cm Roadeo

[Adam Kimball]

I'm looking for a clean 59cm Roadeo.  Let me know if you have something!

Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Ryan]

When I started buying Rivendells after owning a 93 X0-1 (still have it), I 
started with the classic All-Rounder ordered in 1997. Since I still did 
longer road rides I got a custom Road in 2001 to replace a nice enough 
Rossin I had and later sold...fast but not especially comfortable since it 
was a typical Italian racing bike, so harsh with our roads the way they 
are. The Riv road is a great-riding bike, as is the all-rounder.

I ordered a custom mixte late 2015 for my retirement bike but (I'm 
embarrassed to confess) don't ride it much mainly because it's a bit of a 
pain getting it up and down the narrow flight of stairs to my apartment and 
I won't lock it up in the garage; a little too risky. Not ready to let it 
go just yet, though, and if I were to sell it I doubt I'd recoup what I 
paid for it. Money aside, though, I put a lot of thought into how it was 
built up and it should be ridden. Fore and aft fit needs a little tweaking 
and I do plan to ride it more in the spring. Should practice the mixte 
deadlift like the Riv sisters often post



On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:40:09 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> It's really rare to see the old Rivendells where I live so that I'm not 
> familiar to them but I always hear that Hunqapillar is one of the most 
> popular/admired Rivendells. I assume that you like the one you own much. 
> AlsoI wonder if there is a significant difference you find between 
> Hunqapillar and Appaloosa while they would be redundant.
>
> 2022年12月6日火曜日 20:50:09 UTC+9 captaincon...@gmail.com:
>
>> I have my Hunqapillar and my partner has a Rosco Bubbaloosa ATB Mixte, so 
>> that's two.  I currently have a Quickbeam too, but that's on its own way 
>> out.  I also owned a Sam Hillborne, but gasp, I was never comfortable 
>> enough on it.  The only current Riv that I like is the Appaloosa, but it 
>> would be redundant.  I have always wanted a canti-Romulus or an All Rounder 
>> and would buy either if it wasn't a hassle in any way.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:16:02 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing 
>>> looking bike!
>>> It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting with 
>>> one bike. In my case there aren't many trails near here in Tokyo so that I 
>>> made my Platypus as a commuter/grocery bike (43c semi slicked Gravel King, 
>>> RMX pedal, chain guard, basket and fenders etc).
>>>
>>> I'm happy with the current build of my Platypus so I would rather keep 
>>> it as it is than installing too much stuff to spoil the purpose of the bike.
>>> Therefore I can understand that you would like to keep the Atlantis 
>>> as-is and own another one even though Atlantis (also Platypus) is called 
>>> all-rounder.
>>>
>>> I hope you will have a good feeling and luck with the next batch of 
>>> Roadini (if I'm not mistaken, you mean there will be lugged Roadinis!?).
>>> I will ride the Platypus more and see which one would be good for my 
>>> second Riv or even the Platypus actually does all for me.
>>> Until then let's enjoy our current bikes!
>>>
>>> Masa
>>>  
>>>
>>> 2022年12月6日火曜日 15:10:21 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:
>>>

 Hey Masa!

 Great question. I currently have a MIT Atlantis set up with cantilevers 
 and a rack and larger Maxxis tires (29” x 2.4” in the front and 29” x 2.3” 
 in the rear). I’ve found that it’s a pleasurable upright cruiser around 
 San 
 Francisco, a real ripper on mtb trails in Marin, and a wonderful commuter. 
 I believe that it would fender rather well and be a great bike to do some 
 randonneuring as well. The main reason I would get another Riv would be to 
 keep thus bike as-is rather than changing it each time I wanted to do more 
 road-ish riding with fenders. Then again, fenders and a tire change/second 
 wheelset would solve that. 

 I have been anxiously awaiting the next lugged iteration of the 
 Roadini. I tried Will’s out not long after this last batch and it was a 
 smooth and stable bike. Nimble and grounded while being zippy, I 
 immediately wanted to build up a road bike around that frame. As is, I’m 
 going to wait it out for the next batch of them and see how I feel then.
 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:

> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if 
> you could own.
>
> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind 
> of roads? Any definition is welcome.
>
> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it 
> everywhere for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just 
> would 
> like to know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs 
> already as a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>
> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>
> Masa
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Johnny Alien]

It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell outs 
on anything the way it had been happening.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a lugged 
> Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular. Don't 
> doddle! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and 
>>> fits as it should.  
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>>
 I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
 Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. 
 My 
 PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I 
 test 
 rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, 
 and 
 it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
 really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
 end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.

 Paul in AR

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> I'd love the catalog!! 
> Houston Wilson
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let 
>> me 
>> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am 
>>> obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of 
>>> your 
>>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
>>> until 
>>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>>
>>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>>
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[RBW] The Bombadil on Ebay

[James]

I'm so curious who bought the beautiful Bombadil that was on ebay 
recently.  The frame only, in a beautiful yellow, with the lng diagonal 
tube.I've never seen one like it and I think if I ever get my appaloosa 
custom painted I will go with a bright yellow

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Masa]

It's really rare to see the old Rivendells where I live so that I'm not 
familiar to them but I always hear that Hunqapillar is one of the most 
popular/admired Rivendells. I assume that you like the one you own much. 
AlsoI wonder if there is a significant difference you find between 
Hunqapillar and Appaloosa while they would be redundant.

2022年12月6日火曜日 20:50:09 UTC+9 captaincon...@gmail.com:

> I have my Hunqapillar and my partner has a Rosco Bubbaloosa ATB Mixte, so 
> that's two.  I currently have a Quickbeam too, but that's on its own way 
> out.  I also owned a Sam Hillborne, but gasp, I was never comfortable 
> enough on it.  The only current Riv that I like is the Appaloosa, but it 
> would be redundant.  I have always wanted a canti-Romulus or an All Rounder 
> and would buy either if it wasn't a hassle in any way.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:16:02 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing 
>> looking bike!
>> It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting with 
>> one bike. In my case there aren't many trails near here in Tokyo so that I 
>> made my Platypus as a commuter/grocery bike (43c semi slicked Gravel King, 
>> RMX pedal, chain guard, basket and fenders etc).
>>
>> I'm happy with the current build of my Platypus so I would rather keep it 
>> as it is than installing too much stuff to spoil the purpose of the bike.
>> Therefore I can understand that you would like to keep the Atlantis as-is 
>> and own another one even though Atlantis (also Platypus) is called 
>> all-rounder.
>>
>> I hope you will have a good feeling and luck with the next batch of 
>> Roadini (if I'm not mistaken, you mean there will be lugged Roadinis!?).
>> I will ride the Platypus more and see which one would be good for my 
>> second Riv or even the Platypus actually does all for me.
>> Until then let's enjoy our current bikes!
>>
>> Masa
>>  
>>
>> 2022年12月6日火曜日 15:10:21 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Masa!
>>>
>>> Great question. I currently have a MIT Atlantis set up with cantilevers 
>>> and a rack and larger Maxxis tires (29” x 2.4” in the front and 29” x 2.3” 
>>> in the rear). I’ve found that it’s a pleasurable upright cruiser around San 
>>> Francisco, a real ripper on mtb trails in Marin, and a wonderful commuter. 
>>> I believe that it would fender rather well and be a great bike to do some 
>>> randonneuring as well. The main reason I would get another Riv would be to 
>>> keep thus bike as-is rather than changing it each time I wanted to do more 
>>> road-ish riding with fenders. Then again, fenders and a tire change/second 
>>> wheelset would solve that. 
>>>
>>> I have been anxiously awaiting the next lugged iteration of the Roadini. 
>>> I tried Will’s out not long after this last batch and it was a smooth and 
>>> stable bike. Nimble and grounded while being zippy, I immediately wanted to 
>>> build up a road bike around that frame. As is, I’m going to wait it out for 
>>> the next batch of them and see how I feel then.
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>>
 Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if 
 you could own.

 Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
 roads? Any definition is welcome.

 I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it 
 everywhere for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would 
 like to know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs 
 already as a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).

 I hope you enjoy the topic!

 Masa




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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Masa]

Hi Joe, thank you for your post! It must be amazing to own a custom Riv and 
it's so cool that you made it as your daily-purpose-not-hardcore  bike:)
I personally like the bike which I can see its purpose and I like my 
Platypus as a commuter (even I kind of want to swap the tires to 38c 
Teravail which I have from 43c Gravel King to make it more 
pavement-oriented) so that it would be a heavy duty model such as Clem and 
Gus if I own my second Rivendell too. 

Since I got the Platty recently it's "if" but not "when" to own second Riv 
for me at the moment but your post is really helpful and it's good to know 
that someone is on the same page as me, thanks! 

Masa

2022年12月6日火曜日 17:30:49 UTC+9 Joe Bernard:

> Hey Masa!
>
> This is a cool companion to the occasional One Riv To Rule Them All 
> threads we do around here. 
>
> I'm currently a one Riv (and one folding bike) person, my custom is a 
> low-stepover kinda-pavement-oriented bike like your Platypus: It'll go just 
> about anywhere but wasn't designed for hardcore off-road riding or full-on 
> touring loads. I've done some shopping runs on it that I could feel in the 
> frame was probably pushing my luck with how much weight I was carrying, so 
> for me my second Riv would be heavier duty. I've also recently moved to an 
> area with a bunch of fire roads and singletrack, and although my riding 
> interests/capabilities would preclude major mountain biking escapades I'd 
> still like to know my frame could take the abuse. 
>
> So I'd reach as far from my lightish roadish frame as possible, which 
> takes me past the lugged frames and into Clem or Gus territory. What I end 
> up with - if/when I decide to do it - would depend largely on money and 
> opportunity to pick something up. I really like the Gus but they're pricey 
> even used and rarely available; Clems are great and easier to find. I've 
> owned a few and imagine I'll have one again sometime. 
>
> I hope this was helpful for you. I saw on another thread that you asked 
> Leah for a comparison of her Platy(s) and Clem L, I hope she chimes in 
> here, she has much to say and says it well! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
>> could own.
>>
>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
>> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>
>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
>> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
>> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
>> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>>
>> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>>
>> Masa
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Conway Bennett]

I have my Hunqapillar and my partner has a Rosco Bubbaloosa ATB Mixte, so 
that's two.  I currently have a Quickbeam too, but that's on its own way 
out.  I also owned a Sam Hillborne, but gasp, I was never comfortable 
enough on it.  The only current Riv that I like is the Appaloosa, but it 
would be redundant.  I have always wanted a canti-Romulus or an All Rounder 
and would buy either if it wasn't a hassle in any way.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:16:02 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing looking 
> bike!
> It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting with 
> one bike. In my case there aren't many trails near here in Tokyo so that I 
> made my Platypus as a commuter/grocery bike (43c semi slicked Gravel King, 
> RMX pedal, chain guard, basket and fenders etc).
>
> I'm happy with the current build of my Platypus so I would rather keep it 
> as it is than installing too much stuff to spoil the purpose of the bike.
> Therefore I can understand that you would like to keep the Atlantis as-is 
> and own another one even though Atlantis (also Platypus) is called 
> all-rounder.
>
> I hope you will have a good feeling and luck with the next batch of 
> Roadini (if I'm not mistaken, you mean there will be lugged Roadinis!?).
> I will ride the Platypus more and see which one would be good for my 
> second Riv or even the Platypus actually does all for me.
> Until then let's enjoy our current bikes!
>
> Masa
>  
>
> 2022年12月6日火曜日 15:10:21 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:
>
>>
>> Hey Masa!
>>
>> Great question. I currently have a MIT Atlantis set up with cantilevers 
>> and a rack and larger Maxxis tires (29” x 2.4” in the front and 29” x 2.3” 
>> in the rear). I’ve found that it’s a pleasurable upright cruiser around San 
>> Francisco, a real ripper on mtb trails in Marin, and a wonderful commuter. 
>> I believe that it would fender rather well and be a great bike to do some 
>> randonneuring as well. The main reason I would get another Riv would be to 
>> keep thus bike as-is rather than changing it each time I wanted to do more 
>> road-ish riding with fenders. Then again, fenders and a tire change/second 
>> wheelset would solve that. 
>>
>> I have been anxiously awaiting the next lugged iteration of the Roadini. 
>> I tried Will’s out not long after this last batch and it was a smooth and 
>> stable bike. Nimble and grounded while being zippy, I immediately wanted to 
>> build up a road bike around that frame. As is, I’m going to wait it out for 
>> the next batch of them and see how I feel then.
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
>>> could own.
>>>
>>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
>>> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>>
>>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
>>> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
>>> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
>>> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>>>
>>> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>>>
>>> Masa
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Masa]

Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing looking 
bike!
It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting with one 
bike. In my case there aren't many trails near here in Tokyo so that I made 
my Platypus as a commuter/grocery bike (43c semi slicked Gravel King, RMX 
pedal, chain guard, basket and fenders etc).

I'm happy with the current build of my Platypus so I would rather keep it 
as it is than installing too much stuff to spoil the purpose of the bike.
Therefore I can understand that you would like to keep the Atlantis as-is 
and own another one even though Atlantis (also Platypus) is called 
all-rounder.

I hope you will have a good feeling and luck with the next batch of Roadini 
(if I'm not mistaken, you mean there will be lugged Roadinis!?).
I will ride the Platypus more and see which one would be good for my second 
Riv or even the Platypus actually does all for me.
Until then let's enjoy our current bikes!

Masa
 

2022年12月6日火曜日 15:10:21 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:

>
> Hey Masa!
>
> Great question. I currently have a MIT Atlantis set up with cantilevers 
> and a rack and larger Maxxis tires (29” x 2.4” in the front and 29” x 2.3” 
> in the rear). I’ve found that it’s a pleasurable upright cruiser around San 
> Francisco, a real ripper on mtb trails in Marin, and a wonderful commuter. 
> I believe that it would fender rather well and be a great bike to do some 
> randonneuring as well. The main reason I would get another Riv would be to 
> keep thus bike as-is rather than changing it each time I wanted to do more 
> road-ish riding with fenders. Then again, fenders and a tire change/second 
> wheelset would solve that. 
>
> I have been anxiously awaiting the next lugged iteration of the Roadini. I 
> tried Will’s out not long after this last batch and it was a smooth and 
> stable bike. Nimble and grounded while being zippy, I immediately wanted to 
> build up a road bike around that frame. As is, I’m going to wait it out for 
> the next batch of them and see how I feel then.
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
>> could own.
>>
>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
>> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>
>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
>> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
>> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
>> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>>
>> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>>
>> Masa
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Masa!

This is a cool companion to the occasional One Riv To Rule Them All threads 
we do around here. 

I'm currently a one Riv (and one folding bike) person, my custom is a 
low-stepover kinda-pavement-oriented bike like your Platypus: It'll go just 
about anywhere but wasn't designed for hardcore off-road riding or full-on 
touring loads. I've done some shopping runs on it that I could feel in the 
frame was probably pushing my luck with how much weight I was carrying, so 
for me my second Riv would be heavier duty. I've also recently moved to an 
area with a bunch of fire roads and singletrack, and although my riding 
interests/capabilities would preclude major mountain biking escapades I'd 
still like to know my frame could take the abuse. 

So I'd reach as far from my lightish roadish frame as possible, which takes 
me past the lugged frames and into Clem or Gus territory. What I end up 
with - if/when I decide to do it - would depend largely on money and 
opportunity to pick something up. I really like the Gus but they're pricey 
even used and rarely available; Clems are great and easier to find. I've 
owned a few and imagine I'll have one again sometime. 

I hope this was helpful for you. I saw on another thread that you asked 
Leah for a comparison of her Platy(s) and Clem L, I hope she chimes in 
here, she has much to say and says it well! 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:

> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
> could own.
>
> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>
> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>
> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>
> Masa
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Luke Hendrickson]

Agreed.
On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, and 
> we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! So 
> uncool. 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
>> looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>>
>> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>>
>> Here's how it went:
>>
>>
>> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>>
>> **he replies immediately**
>>
>> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you 
>> to ask that?
>>
>> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
>> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
>> for the price you're asking.
>>
>>
>> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
>> two messages.*
>>
>> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>>
>> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
>> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
>> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
>> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
>> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said 
>> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
>> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>>
>>
>> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
>> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
>> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>>
>> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>>>
>>> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
>>> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
>>> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
>>> it."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>>>
>>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
 tried to capture the bent ends.

 With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
 it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
 the 
 original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
 from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
 the 
 chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
 waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
 confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.

 [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
 rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
 rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: 
 rear_full_3607.jpg]

 Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL 
 ad. Note the touchup paint on the fork.

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