[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

Mark, I've been riding in Apex and Cary and I think it's hillier than 
Charlotte.  Lots of rollers with the steep grades I'm finding.  Charlotte 
is flatter.

Dick, I didn't realize you were the OP until now.  I'm not great at 
organizing but I would like to do a Riv ride.  I haven't ridden in 
Brevard.  I hear it's great.  

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dick,
>
> I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to go 
> on a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
> wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
> some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
> near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone on 
> the list in person. Cheers,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
>> still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
>> albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed an 
>> electric assist on it! 
>>
>> Michael
>> Boone, NC
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>>
>>> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
>>> home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
>>> riding in the mountains.
>>>
>>> Denis, in NC
>>> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>>>
 Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
 Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 

 Dick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

Franklyn, I'm in Charlotte and can loan you a bike but you'd need to pick 
it up.  If y'all do organize anything I'd plan to be there but I'm busy 
teaching CyclingSavvy 2/24-26.  Y'all could all come to Charlotte and join 
me for the course!  Or I could come 2/27 or 28.  It's warmer in Charlotte.  
It was 72° - shorts and t shirt weather today.  Just an idea.


On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 10:30:53 PM UTC-5 sin...@msn.com wrote:

> I live no where near Asheville (in Berkeley, CA) but my wife was born in 
> Asheville and grew up in Greenville, SC, and I visited the Upstate/Western 
> NC plenty between 2006 and 2019. Here is the selfish bit: I will be 
> visiting the upstate area from 2/22-2/28, maybe you guys can arrange the 
> get together ride on the weekend of 2/26-27? (and someone lend me a bike?)
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:30:12 PM UTC-8 Suntour Jim wrote:
>
>> Same goes for me - Knoxville is only 2 hours away from Asheville. A group 
>> ride would be great.
>>
>> Jim Bailey
>> Knoxville, TN
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:31:49 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm only 5 to 5.5 hours away from Asheville and/or Boone. I'm in Central 
>>> KY. There's a handful of us Riv riders here who would probably consider 
>>> making the drive if there was a meetup planned in that area!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:24:27 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dick, just saying "thank you" for kicking off this thread. Interesting 
 to see the number of Riv riders in the area.

 If you ever take a notion to organize a Brevard area ride for Riv 
 riders (and Riv curious, like myself) I'd be interested. Between the 
 Brevard paved greenway network, the dirt trail into the National Forest at 
 Pisgah Forest and the breweries/eateries along the greenway - and whatever 
 routes you Brevard locals keep secret - I bet a low key party pace ride 
 could be a fun event. 

 On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:31:53 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:

> Thanx to all responding to my western NC post. Good to know. 
> First..to Pamtook your CC class in Clt few years ago. Still 
> benefitting from it. Good friend of David S who I think  is member of 
> this 
> group too. To Michaelwill keep eyes open for your father here in 
> Brevard. At 73, I'm guessing I'm as old or older than him. :-) To Steve 
> in 
> Asheville. I know the areas you mention well. The hills around here can 
> be 
> brutal, especially for an old slow guy like me. 
>
> I've ridden from my home in Brevard to the Parkway (Blue Ridge 
> Parkway) once, up 276 and back down. ~ 40 miles round trip with tough 
> elevation gain, especially the last few miles, before heading back down. 
> Ever thankful for my super comfortable 61 Homer that Keven helped me with 
> back when he was still at Riv. Great guy. 
>
> I get the usual comments about my bike. Nice bike! How old is it? 
> Among others.
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I don't live in NC, but my sister lives in Pittsboro, and I generally 
>> make it up there a couple of times a year. I will be there the 1st week 
>> of 
>> July this year at a minimum.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:36:20 AM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a Riv rider in West Asheville
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:03:21 PM UTC-5 lukeheller wrote:
>>>
 I used to ride a Riv Canti-Rom for a few years when i first started 
 riding brevets in 2012.
 No longer ride a riv but all my bikes are riv inspired. I've had 
 several custom frames that are spin offs from my canti-rom.
 I'm the local organizer for the Asheville Intl Randonneurs and live 
 in Asheville if anyone wants to drink the kool-aid.

 On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:33:52 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm in Asheville. Not currently on a Riv but am giving one some 
> serious thought (which is why I'm on this group). I occasionally ride 
> fire 
> roads in the Pisgah starting from the Hub. Last spring I did a ride 
> from 
> the Arboretum at Bent Creek to the Hub (still sore from that one!). 
> Been 
> thinking Oscar Blues or Ecusta Brewing might be fun to start from and 
> end 
> at. I'd enjoy riding with a group of Riv riders - if you'd promise 
> not to 
> be too hard on me if I turn up on a different marque. Full 
> disclosure; I am 
> old and slow.
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:45:40 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm in Charlotte, NC.  We should plan a Riv NC ride sometime.  

Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Keith Paugh]

Brian! These photos are really fun to see. Thanks for posting everyone.k.On Feb 16, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:Wow, Takashi, John, Eric and Brian, some great pics here!Eric, I'm glad you could get that Boxy Bag installed. On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:34:39 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:Ok, Prize Winner! Paul Germain Midlothian, Va,On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:My wife and I typically spend our winters with our dogs and bikes on a little barrier island south of Tampa Bay. This morning, I pedaled my Gus up the beach to check out a sailboat that washed up over the weekend. Sorry it’s not a “wintry” photo per se, but I thought it made for a nice Winter bike memory…- BrianOn Feb 10, 2023, at 2:18 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:I was in Davis, CA, yesterday, so I took the opportunity to head out to the graffiti-covered Stevenson Creek Bridge with my ’97 Riv Road Standard. Shot these on Kodak Tri-X with a Canon Snappy LX camera. The Baggins/Nitto front bag combo arrived a little while ago from another list member. The seat bag has been adorning a series of bikes since 2005, and has been pretty much everywhere.
--Eric Norriscampyo...@me.comInsta: @CampyOnlyGuyYouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:03 AM, John Rinker  wrote:A little different than my last 'Winter Ride' photo, but it's winter in Baja Sur! On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:14:57 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com wrote:Takashi,I’m sorry that I didn’t catch ‘spellcheck’ screwing up your name in my previous post. My apologies, and thanks again for the pictures of your part of the world.Randy in WIOn Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com wrote:Takeshita,Really enjoy your pictures-beautiful landscapes in a part of the world I am not familiar with and a good looking Hunqapillar. We had 6” or so of snow today, so Appaloosa back inside for now. Keep posting those pictures!Randy in WIOn Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:13:50 PM UTC-6 Takashi wrote:Ted, I bet it's also beautiful there when leaves are green. Or in autumn.Steve, looking at your photo it must have been a very nice day to ride, but yes, I'd like to see how it's like when there is snow. Please keep posting!Randy, that photo looks like milder climate compared to your first photo in this thread. Great that you had a chance to ride your cool Appaloosa.Here are some photos from last Saturday's ride:I rode at foothill of Mt. Ontake and visited Fueki-no-taki (Fueki Waterfall).The waterfall is approachable only on foot, so no photo of the waterfall and bike together.Water freezes and forms giant icicles.In the photo above you can see another visitor wearing a green jacket, so you can see sizes of icicles.You can go behind the fall, and it's like this:Takashi-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5b95be73-6916-4b33-ab00-3fb683550b9fn%40googlegroups.com.



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[RBW] Re: Brazed Bullmoose Bars

[Matthew Williams]

Bars are sold.


> On Feb 12, 2023, at 8:31 PM, Matthew Williams 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, I’m selling a set of nearly-new brazed Bullmoose bars. No bends, 
> wrecks, or alterations.
> 
> $180, free shipping anywhere in the continental US of A.
> 
> Local pickup available in the San Francisco Bay Area.
> 
> 

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[RBW] Re: Parts 4 Sale - RH/Nitto/Sugino/SON/Paul/DT/TRP/MicroShift

['Sean, PNW' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bumping this up... This is what's still available, thanks:


TRP RRL-SR Levers - $65

-Used but in good condition 

- https://trpcycling.com/product/rrl-sr/

Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ahk0PTeq6rCcutYlsYggNSWUT35rWPJw?usp=share_link


Microshift SL-T10 Thumb Shifters - $75 

-2/3 x 10 speed, Shimano road 

-L = friction 

-R = index or friction

-https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-t10/

-Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-7pBzp95G9CEqeWnFufqA4GZw_eoE4Lk?usp=sharing

Rene Herse UD-1, Standard Struts - $185 

-Used but in very good condition 

-Adjustable mounting points, w/longer struts available from RH 

-10 kg (22 lb) load rated -
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/racks/rene-herse-ud-1-disc/

Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZN_guFpHhKwBSHXI89expGdVdYFwrZH6?usp=sharing

Rene Herse Antelope Hill Tires - $160 

-700x55mm 

-Endurance + casing 

-Pair, 1x tire has only been mounted once w/sealant, 1x tire BNIB -
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx55-antelope-hill-tc/

Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Rf3G04u0NKU3VGW0POLx2LlwCXhydBO2?usp=sharing

Schmidt SON Edelux II - $240

-BNIB

-Hanging w/switch configuration

-
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/lights/son-edelux-ii-generator-headlight-hanging/

Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VJZT-LUAl1cIZrNWH8KZjsqA4mnJiAw4?usp=share_link

DT Swiss Campy Freehub Body & End Cap - $60

-Used but in good condition w/minimal wear, both bearings spin smooth

-Fits 180, 240, 240s, & 350 hubs

-DT Part # - HWYABX00S1296S, 9/10/11 speed Campy freehub body & 
130mm/QR/drive side  cap

Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h1zh1QxlF9RKcteLk17WvfnDRe6KA9Ez?usp=share_link

Terms:

Prices are net to me, no trades please.

Items can be picked up, or shipped at buyer’s expense, from 98225.

I do my very best to ensure parts are shipped within 48/hrs of receipt of 
payment.

Everything I’ve listed will fit in a USPS flat rate box, w/rates provided 
by pirateship.com.

I’m pretty agnostic on payment methods so long as it doesn’t contribute to 
me having to deal w/1099s; cash, Paypal F, Venmo F, Zelle, all work. 
I’m not willing to deal with the hassle and potential tax burden of 
accepting ‘Goods & Services’ payments w/the new IRS reporting threshold 
just to offload spare parts:

https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/self-employment-taxes/paypal-and-venmo-taxes-what-you-need-to-know-about-p2p-platforms/L5DNjOUM1

Please PM me if you’ve a question or are interested in anything.

Thanks


SOLD:

Paul Neo-Retro Canti

Paul Thumbies

Nitto M-13 Rack

Rene Herse CP-1 Rack

Sugino OX901 Crankset
On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 8:51:14 PM UTC-8 Sean, PNW wrote:

> Re-configuring a few current bikes, shifting directions on a few projects, 
> & starting to purge some of my parts stash.
>
> TRP RRL-SR Levers - $65
>
> -Used but in good condition 
>
> - https://trpcycling.com/product/rrl-sr/
>
> Pics - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ahk0PTeq6rCcutYlsYggNSWUT35rWPJw?usp=share_link
>
>
> Paul Neo-Retro Canti - $100
>
> -Used but in good condition w/newer salmon Thinline pads
>
> -One wheel's worth
>
> -
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/cantilever-brakes/neo-retro/
>
> Pics - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1p6eZ-Q4Ga888AuDuxaghIU5JDGJuXZbD?usp=sharing
>
>
> Paul Thumbies - $65 
>
> -Used but in good condition 
>
> -Campy specific & no long produced by Paul
>
> Pics - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UKBUC4e3xP4KqdYJZyhWr5NA82dghp4j?usp=sharing
>
>
> Microshift SL-T10 Thumb Shifters - $75 
>
> -2/3 x 10 speed, Shimano road 
>
> -L = friction 
>
> -R = index or friction
>
> -https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-t10/
>
> -Pics - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-7pBzp95G9CEqeWnFufqA4GZw_eoE4Lk?usp=sharing
>
>
> Nitto M-13 - $120 
>
> -Used but in very good condition 
>
> -Mounts to canti studs & fork crown 
>
> -10 kg (22 lb) load rated -
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/racks/m-13-standard-wide-front-rack-cantilever-brakes-with-light-mount/
>
> Pics - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18Xvq-v5oQiFJKHW2Qf30LzRyel0GjoGC?usp=share_link
>
>
> Rene Herse CP-1, Standing Light Mount - $165 
>
> -Used but in very good condition 
>
> -Mounts to centerpull posts & fork crown, w/light mount 
>
> -10 kg (22 lb) load rated -
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/racks/cp1-front-rack-for-centerpull-brakes/
>
> Pics - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zdsBM7H-XmYxQoaEWdpOBrAORWgPjCln?usp=share_link
>
>
> Rene Herse UD-1, Standard Struts - $185 
>
> -Used but in very good condition 
>
> -Adjustable mounting points, w/longer struts available from RH 
>
> -10 kg (22 lb) load rated -
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/racks/rene-herse-ud-1-disc/
>
> Pics - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZN_guFpHhKwBSHXI89expGdVdYFwrZH6?usp=sharing
>
>
> Rene 

[RBW] WTB: Shimano Long Cage Derailleur

[JW]

Hey group,

Looking for a Shimano long cage rear derailleur to use with a Jim 7 speed 
cassette.

Would entertain rapid rise but not essential.

Please respond off list with any offerings.

Thanks :)

Jared

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Wow, Takashi, John, Eric and Brian, some great pics here!

Eric, I'm glad you could get that Boxy Bag installed. 

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:34:39 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Ok, Prize Winner! 
>
> Paul Germain 
> Midlothian, Va,
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My wife and I typically spend our winters with our dogs and bikes on a 
>> little barrier island south of Tampa Bay. This morning, I pedaled my Gus up 
>> the beach to check out a sailboat that washed up over the weekend. Sorry 
>> it’s not a “wintry” photo per se, but I thought it made for a nice Winter 
>> bike memory…
>> - Brian
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2023, at 2:18 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was in Davis, CA, yesterday, so I took the opportunity to head out to 
>> the graffiti-covered Stevenson Creek Bridge with my ’97 Riv Road Standard. 
>> Shot these on Kodak Tri-X with a Canon Snappy LX camera. The Baggins/Nitto 
>> front bag combo arrived a little while ago from another list member. The 
>> seat bag has been adorning a series of bikes since 2005, and has been 
>> pretty much everywhere.
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:03 AM, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>> A little different than my last 'Winter Ride' photo, but it's winter in 
>> Baja Sur! 
>> 
>>
>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:14:57 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Takashi,
>>> I’m sorry that I didn’t catch ‘spellcheck’ screwing up your name in my 
>>> previous post. My apologies, and thanks again for the pictures of your part 
>>> of the world.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Takeshita,
 Really enjoy your pictures-beautiful landscapes in a part of the world 
 I am not familiar with and a good looking Hunqapillar. We had 6” or so of 
 snow today, so Appaloosa back inside for now. Keep posting those pictures!
 Randy in WI

 On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:13:50 PM UTC-6 Takashi wrote:

> Ted, I bet it's also beautiful there when leaves are green. Or in 
> autumn.
>
> Steve, looking at your photo it must have been a very nice day to 
> ride, but yes, I'd like to see how it's like when there is snow. Please 
> keep posting!
>
> Randy, that photo looks like milder climate compared to your first 
> photo in this thread. Great that you had a chance to ride your cool 
> Appaloosa.
>
>
> Here are some photos from last Saturday's ride:
> [image: DSC02789.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC02817.jpg]
>
> I rode at foothill of Mt. Ontake and visited Fueki-no-taki (Fueki 
> Waterfall).
> The waterfall is approachable only on foot, so no photo of the 
> waterfall and bike together.
>
> [image: DSC02808.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC02802.jpg]
>
> Water freezes and forms giant icicles.
> In the photo above you can see another visitor wearing a green jacket, 
> so you can see sizes of icicles.
> You can go behind the fall, and it's like this:
> [image: DSC02814.jpg]
>
>
> Takashi
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, John! Fun to see it up there with a nice big slide show

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:58:40 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Eric did it, his bike is featured on The Radavist...
>
> https://theradavist.com/erics-1985-bridgestone-mb-2-review/
>
> Well done Eric!
>
> JohnS
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Jose :) 
>>
>> From what I recall Grant was fairly new at Bridgestone when the '85s came 
>> out. Sometime in 2022 I read an account written by Grant about when he 
>> first influenced any of the bike design or specifications and when he 
>> designed his first frames but I can't recall the dates or where I read 
>> this. Probably in a Blahg. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:19:51 PM UTC-5 Jose wrote:
>>
>>> Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:06:27 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]

 Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
 have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]

 I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
 for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
 over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork 
 and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
 to 
 the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
 stripped the frame to raw steel. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]

 Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
 patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and 
 wax. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]

 It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
 De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
 RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
 Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
 Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]

 I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
 which I shaped and finished. 

 [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]

 Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
 M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
 my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
 Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 

 Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
 them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 

 • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
 • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
 • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
 • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
 • Kasai 32H front hub
 • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
 • Busch + Müller light mount
 • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
 • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
 • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
 • Suntour Superbe levers
 • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
 • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
 • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
 • Dia Compe yoke hangers
 • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
 • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
 • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
 • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
 • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
 • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
 • MKS XC-III pedals
 • Suntour AR front derailer
 • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
 • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
 • Brooks Conquest saddle
 • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
 • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
 • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
 • Sim Works x Hoshi
 • M5 brass socket head screws
 • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws

 Larger pictures here: 
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing

 Thanks for lookin'! 

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[RBW] Re: FS - Cateye Lightly Used Wireless SOLD

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Cateye Wireless is spoken for, pending payment.

Thanks all,
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 5:29:36 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> I posted this RD300W on the iBOB list a month ago, so forgive me. There 
> was little interest, so I have dropped the price to $25 + shipping.
>
> Images here:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720305720246
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Leslie]

That was exactly what I spec'd it as, since they were kinda semi-custom, I 
wanted the Ram orange on it.(My Ram is a green one, but then I later 
found a tall Ram frame for my son, so we've got two Ram orange bikes and 
then my canti-Rom is that light silverish blue color.)

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:52:33 AM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:

> Leslie, is your frame painted the same color as the Orange Rambouillet?  
> Did you have it painted or did it come from Riv like that?  If I ever get 
> my Hunqapillar repainted it will match the original Rams.  
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:32:36 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:
>
>> I'd originally put a deposit down on a normal Bomba (56, a 650b);  then 
>> they started talking about the diaga-Bomba, and I called in, paid the diff, 
>> upgraded to it instead.  
>>
>> When I first built up my Bomba, I was running 2.4 NeoMotos on it (under 
>> fenders).I then tried out swapping to my 700c wheelset off my Ram 
>> (ended up converting the Ram to 650b). 
>> Later went to non-knobbies, then robbed that cockpit for my son's Ram.   
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
>>> seller).
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>>>

 There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
 Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
 remember the longer bolt being included.
 [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
 - Frank
 On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify 
> for the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.
>
> [image: B72side s.jpg]
>
> [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, 
>> find a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
>> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty 
>> well 
>> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the 
>>> Breezer Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, 
>>> used 
>>> to be on my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 
>>> years 
>>> ago) with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>

 Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
 https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
 On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
>> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
>> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
>> Rosco 
>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
>> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>>
>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
>> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat, 
>>  Kent 
>> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>
>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS - Cateye Lightly Used Wireless Computer

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I posted this RD300W on the iBOB list a month ago, so forgive me. There was 
little interest, so I have dropped the price to $25 + shipping.

Images here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720305720246

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[Leslie]

I've cantis on the canti-Rom, Motolites on the Bomba, like 'em both.   Have 
to admit:  I'm running 700-40 MSO's on the Rom, and I have to deflate to 
get that fat tire into the cantis on that frame (I'm running a tire 
seriously over what is spec'd on it). The Motolites are easier to get 
really fat tires in and out of

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:47:11 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I use only cantilevers and basically will always ! Good ol' smooth post 
> cantilevers that clear the frame as opened and open all the way. No silly 
> overly long and offset pads that add nothing to the braking performance. I 
> take a certain delight(albeit comical and always good for a laugh in just 
> thinking it), in denigrating v-brakes and certain cantilever designs, 
> including making/selling/defending frames without rear cable stop bridges. 
> Call it what you will, as so have I. ((( laughing )))  Nevertheless, it 
> stands. I could also speak about how "the industry" is their own worst 
> enemy, in fact, their only enemy and the customer but a witness. 
>
> I remember not long ago before the Clem Riv couldn't give a v-brake away. 
> Then with disc brakes becoming the thing, and dwindling proper canti 
> manufacture and design , it didn't leave them much choice as the frame was 
> a sales hit. It's like drinking a brand of beer you really don't like, but 
> because the wife loves it, and you love the wife's company, you swallow 
> your taste buds,one   bitter   chugatatime.   "Ain't this 
> beer great ?   said with crooked broken smile and whose eyes betold another 
> story. 
>
> What's life without a couple of good ol' stories ?   teeheehee . 
>
>
>
> So sure Max, Anything but a cantilever on your Bombadil would leave you 
> without any brake at all :-) 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[maxcr]

FWIW I run Discord fingerling on my Hunqa with a 710 Jones Bar (it is 31.8) 
- this is no Bosco but the setup feels solid. To be fair, mine is a short 
70m stem, not a super long reach.

Here's the link, looks like they're sold out: 
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-fingerling-stems

Max

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:55:17 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Just mounted a Billie bar to my V5, I would say both Choco, and Billie 
> bars are compatible. Regarding the Bosco Bullmoose, I agree with Keith's 
> comment above. Below, is the Billie bar with the V5. Also, a few details 
> show the space between the stem and the front cap of the stem, looking at 
> images at Blue Lug, there is no gap, guessing that's not a big issue, but 
> thought I'd point it out. The bolt extends outside of the rear port, so 
> there's no loss in bolt length. Wow, wonder how much ($$$) a modern remake 
> of the Slingshot would cost?
>
> [image: IMG-9813.jpg][image: IMG-9816.jpg][image: IMG-9818.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Interesting; I just glommed on the V5, which I'd not seen before. It 
>> seems to be a good design for bars where the moment of force is relatively 
>> high, like many of the current Rivendell bars.
>>
>> Curious: I can see how a Technomic would be wholly overwhelmed by a 
>> Bosco. But what about a wide-faced, 4-bolt single-clamp stem? The only 
>> examples of these last are the Ritchey 4-bolt faceplate threadless stems I 
>> have on 2 bikes, but I wonder if these might hold a Bosco in place firmly 
>> without requiring over tightening of the bolts?
>>
>> This is not an idle question; I may try a bosco or tosco or some other 
>> such long sweepback bar on the Monocog 29er, and I'd not want to have to 
>> buy a new V5 stem as well as a new, expensive, bar.
>>
>>
>> Patrick, just in case it isn't clear:  The V5 stem probably only works 
>> with Nitto-made bars.  The Tosco, even in the narrower 25.4 versions, lack 
>> the long sleeve swaged onto the clamp area.  On nitto bars,  i know it 
>> works with the Bosco, but I think it might even be worth double checking to 
>> make sure the sleeve is long enough on the Billie, Chaco, Wavie, etc.  
>> Starting with the Billie bar, Nitto adopted a new manufacturing method that 
>> combined a bulged section WITH a sleeve.  For the Bosco and older models, 
>> the  clamp diameter was made up entirely with a swaged sleeve - like their 
>> drop bars.
>>
>> Regarding clamp force:  Ive experimented with boscos quite a bit.  I 
>> found a steel, ritchey force stem  with a broad clamp surface, to be 
>> adequate, even with a single bolt.  I was eventually able to get them to 
>> work in a technomic stem, and not slip after tightening enough, but found 
>> this unsatisfactory for another reason.  The aluminum bars flex in a 
>> torsional way, and the narrower clamp width exacerbated this.  I think this 
>> anti-torsion characteristic of wide clamps would be the best part of the V5 
>> stem.
>>
>> Ultimately, I found the steel bullmoose version to be the only Bosco I 
>> can use - despite wishing the angle was different (I wish the ends angled 
>> down more).  The steel is less flexy and the effective stem length is 150mm 
>> which is still barely long enough.  It's hard to find long stems these 
>> days.  (This is the problem with the OG slingshot stems, especially.  I 
>> have one in my parts bin and keep hoping to use it, but it never works.  
>> I'll eventually get custom bars for it.)
>>
>> All of this became moot for me, once the Tosco came out.  It offers all 
>> of the bosco benefits while fixing most of its  flaws.  But, as I noted, it 
>> won't work with the V5 stem unfortunately.
>>  
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:45 AM greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>> I love the V5, here are some pictures of the v5 with a Choco on my 
>> Moonshiner. If I was going to use a non-moose Bosco on a Gus, I would only 
>> use a v5, I had a non-moose Bosco with a Technomic on my Sam, and had to 
>> use a shim, the bar would slip unless I tightened the stem as hard down as 
>> absolutely possible. Now I have a Bosco Moose on the Sam, perfection! So... 
>> 100% no go Bosco/Technomic for off-road roughstuff unless mated with a v5, 
>> I say this from experience. An aside, if you order a v5 from Blue Lug check 
>> out the brass spacers or the Nitto spacers, both are fabricated to mate 
>> perfectly with the v5.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[JohnS]

Eric did it, his bike is featured on The Radavist...

https://theradavist.com/erics-1985-bridgestone-mb-2-review/

Well done Eric!

JohnS

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, Jose :) 
>
> From what I recall Grant was fairly new at Bridgestone when the '85s came 
> out. Sometime in 2022 I read an account written by Grant about when he 
> first influenced any of the bike design or specifications and when he 
> designed his first frames but I can't recall the dates or where I read 
> this. Probably in a Blahg. 
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:19:51 PM UTC-5 Jose wrote:
>
>> Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:06:27 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
>>> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
>>> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
>>> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork 
>>> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to 
>>> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
>>> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>>
>>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
>>> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>>
>>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
>>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
>>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
>>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
>>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>>
>>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
>>> which I shaped and finished. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>>
>>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
>>> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
>>> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
>>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>>>
>>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
>>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>>>
>>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
>>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
>>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
>>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
>>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
>>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
>>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
>>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>>
>>> Larger pictures here: 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin'! 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[Garth]

I use only cantilevers and basically will always ! Good ol' smooth post 
cantilevers that clear the frame as opened and open all the way. No silly 
overly long and offset pads that add nothing to the braking performance. I 
take a certain delight(albeit comical and always good for a laugh in just 
thinking it), in denigrating v-brakes and certain cantilever designs, 
including making/selling/defending frames without rear cable stop bridges. 
Call it what you will, as so have I. ((( laughing )))  Nevertheless, it 
stands. I could also speak about how "the industry" is their own worst 
enemy, in fact, their only enemy and the customer but a witness. 

I remember not long ago before the Clem Riv couldn't give a v-brake away. 
Then with disc brakes becoming the thing, and dwindling proper canti 
manufacture and design , it didn't leave them much choice as the frame was 
a sales hit. It's like drinking a brand of beer you really don't like, but 
because the wife loves it, and you love the wife's company, you swallow 
your taste buds,one   bitter   chugatatime.   "Ain't this 
beer great ?   said with crooked broken smile and whose eyes betold another 
story. 

What's life without a couple of good ol' stories ?   teeheehee . 



So sure Max, Anything but a cantilever on your Bombadil would leave you 
without any brake at all :-) 



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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ok, Prize Winner! 

Paul Germain 
Midlothian, Va,

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> My wife and I typically spend our winters with our dogs and bikes on a 
> little barrier island south of Tampa Bay. This morning, I pedaled my Gus up 
> the beach to check out a sailboat that washed up over the weekend. Sorry 
> it’s not a “wintry” photo per se, but I thought it made for a nice Winter 
> bike memory…
> - Brian
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Feb 10, 2023, at 2:18 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I was in Davis, CA, yesterday, so I took the opportunity to head out to 
> the graffiti-covered Stevenson Creek Bridge with my ’97 Riv Road Standard. 
> Shot these on Kodak Tri-X with a Canon Snappy LX camera. The Baggins/Nitto 
> front bag combo arrived a little while ago from another list member. The 
> seat bag has been adorning a series of bikes since 2005, and has been 
> pretty much everywhere.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:03 AM, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> A little different than my last 'Winter Ride' photo, but it's winter in 
> Baja Sur! 
> 
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:14:57 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Takashi,
>> I’m sorry that I didn’t catch ‘spellcheck’ screwing up your name in my 
>> previous post. My apologies, and thanks again for the pictures of your part 
>> of the world.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Takeshita,
>>> Really enjoy your pictures-beautiful landscapes in a part of the world I 
>>> am not familiar with and a good looking Hunqapillar. We had 6” or so of 
>>> snow today, so Appaloosa back inside for now. Keep posting those pictures!
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:13:50 PM UTC-6 Takashi wrote:
>>>
 Ted, I bet it's also beautiful there when leaves are green. Or in 
 autumn.

 Steve, looking at your photo it must have been a very nice day to ride, 
 but yes, I'd like to see how it's like when there is snow. Please keep 
 posting!

 Randy, that photo looks like milder climate compared to your first 
 photo in this thread. Great that you had a chance to ride your cool 
 Appaloosa.


 Here are some photos from last Saturday's ride:
 [image: DSC02789.jpg]

 [image: DSC02817.jpg]

 I rode at foothill of Mt. Ontake and visited Fueki-no-taki (Fueki 
 Waterfall).
 The waterfall is approachable only on foot, so no photo of the 
 waterfall and bike together.

 [image: DSC02808.jpg]

 [image: DSC02802.jpg]

 Water freezes and forms giant icicles.
 In the photo above you can see another visitor wearing a green jacket, 
 so you can see sizes of icicles.
 You can go behind the fall, and it's like this:
 [image: DSC02814.jpg]


 Takashi


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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[maxcr]

Here's mine - wouldn't it look odd just hanging there? 
Max

[image: IMG_9740.jpeg]

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:25:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Mine doesn't have a built in hanger.
>
> I went with cantilevers - easier to put bigger tires on with fenders and 
> also I am using drop bars. I have Paul Motolite V-brakes on my Gus ( and 
> other V-brakes on other bikes) and I don't see any advantage in braking for 
> V-brakes (nor discs for that matter) over cantilevers, but I do live in 
> Florida.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:11:56 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Leslie!
>>
>> About brakes, what do you all think for the Bombadil? V-Brakes or Cantis?
>>
>> I'm wondering if not using the built in hanger would be a waste
>>
>> ideas?
>>
>> Max
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:37:33 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:
>>
>>> I built up my 56 Bomba w/ NeoMotos originally; then I swapped and was 
>>> running my Ram's 700c wheelset (I am using Motolite brakes, so I could 
>>> slide the pads up to fit the 700c wheel).   I did go back to 650b on the 
>>> Bomba, built a 650b wheelset for the Ram (and am running the 700c wheelset 
>>> on the canti-Rom... )   
>>>
>>> It's crazy what all you can do w/ these
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:15:22 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I have 650B x 57 Schwalbe G-Ones on my Bombadil 52, but my chainstays 
 are longer than the 45 shown on the chart.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:08:07 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks for sending that geo chart Garth! That makes more sense.
>
> You were close! I measured my Schwalbe tires and they are 44-45mm as 
> installed on the velocity synergy rims. It's hard to gauge the true 
> clearance of the frame without actually trying the wider tire, but I 
> think 
> 2.1 is ideal and anything beyond would be pushing it, particularly in the 
> rear - maybe I can go 2.2 or even 2.3 in the front and 2.1 in the rear. 
> It 
> gets close as you approach the kickstand plate where the stays narrow, 
> I'll 
> play with it some more but my guestimate is that I'll have around 60mm of 
> clearance with the wider/taller tire, so if I want at least 3mm on each 
> side, that means 2.1 is the way to go in the rear, which means the 700c 
> UD 
> MARS Race probably won't work for me on this frame.
>
> Thanks again
> Max
>
> *All of the above is without fenders
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Oh sheesh, now I was confused too because the linked chart is wrong. 
>> I just measure mine, and it's the same as your, 62cm c-c along the TT, 
>> 63cm 
>> effective. I never used that chart anyways, it's either a preliminary 
>> version or it's simply a misprint, I'm guessing a misprint as the ETT 
>> jump 
>> from 56 to 60 frame should be 60.5 to 63, respectively. Every geo chart 
>> ever printed by Riv, and I've kept most if not all, show the 60cm Bomba 
>> @63cm ETT. 
>>
>> As for the tire clearance, those Supremes are what, in the 46-48cm 
>> range ? Yes, there's lots of room between the stays, and on the front 
>> you 
>> can fit a 2.2 without a fender. Between the blades is 63-64mm I think, 
>> where the fender would go. The chainstays and bridge however I'm not so 
>> sure, you'd have to either apply some widened calipers to guestimate the 
>> width and how forward, or just put a mounted tire in there. How much 
>> room 
>> is enough ? Enough that you don't crash and burn if caught in a "jam" ! 
>> ((( 
>> laughing ))). 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[iamkeith]

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
Interesting; I just glommed on the V5, which I'd not seen before. It seems 
to be a good design for bars where the moment of force is relatively high, 
like many of the current Rivendell bars.

Curious: I can see how a Technomic would be wholly overwhelmed by a Bosco. 
But what about a wide-faced, 4-bolt single-clamp stem? The only examples of 
these last are the Ritchey 4-bolt faceplate threadless stems I have on 2 
bikes, but I wonder if these might hold a Bosco in place firmly without 
requiring over tightening of the bolts?

This is not an idle question; I may try a bosco or tosco or some other such 
long sweepback bar on the Monocog 29er, and I'd not want to have to buy a 
new V5 stem as well as a new, expensive, bar.


Patrick, just in case it isn't clear:  The V5 stem probably only works with 
Nitto-made bars.  The Tosco, even in the narrower 25.4 versions, lack the 
long sleeve swaged onto the clamp area.  On nitto bars,  i know it works 
with the Bosco, but I think it might even be worth double checking to make 
sure the sleeve is long enough on the Billie, Chaco, Wavie, etc.  Starting 
with the Billie bar, Nitto adopted a new manufacturing method that combined 
a bulged section WITH a sleeve.  For the Bosco and older models, the  clamp 
diameter was made up entirely with a swaged sleeve - like their drop bars.

Regarding clamp force:  Ive experimented with boscos quite a bit.  I found 
a steel, ritchey force stem  with a broad clamp surface, to be adequate, 
even with a single bolt.  I was eventually able to get them to work in a 
technomic stem, and not slip after tightening enough, but found this 
unsatisfactory for another reason.  The aluminum bars flex in a torsional 
way, and the narrower clamp width exacerbated this.  I think this 
anti-torsion characteristic of wide clamps would be the best part of the V5 
stem.

Ultimately, I found the steel bullmoose version to be the only Bosco I can 
use - despite wishing the angle was different (I wish the ends angled down 
more).  The steel is less flexy and the effective stem length is 150mm 
which is still barely long enough.  It's hard to find long stems these 
days.  (This is the problem with the OG slingshot stems, especially.  I 
have one in my parts bin and keep hoping to use it, but it never works.  
I'll eventually get custom bars for it.)

All of this became moot for me, once the Tosco came out.  It offers all of 
the bosco benefits while fixing most of its  flaws.  But, as I noted, it 
won't work with the V5 stem unfortunately.
 
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:45 AM greenteadrinkers  
wrote:
I love the V5, here are some pictures of the v5 with a Choco on my 
Moonshiner. If I was going to use a non-moose Bosco on a Gus, I would only 
use a v5, I had a non-moose Bosco with a Technomic on my Sam, and had to 
use a shim, the bar would slip unless I tightened the stem as hard down as 
absolutely possible. Now I have a Bosco Moose on the Sam, perfection! So... 
100% no go Bosco/Technomic for off-road roughstuff unless mated with a v5, 
I say this from experience. An aside, if you order a v5 from Blue Lug check 
out the brass spacers or the Nitto spacers, both are fabricated to mate 
perfectly with the v5.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree that the V5 seems perfect for long-sweep bars and
personally I think it looks good -- not pretty but not ugly. And the
exposed bar center is as you said the perfect place for a headlight.

Richard and Garth: Noted about the presumed adequacy of 4-bolt stems. I use
the X-cross tightening method meself.

I just looked at Riv's stem offerings; I'd not looked for a while. I see
they've moved to quill 4-bolt faceplate stems over the Technomics and T
Deluxes of yore. Me, I'd also prefer the Nitto Slingshot stem and I agree
that, while I like the V5, I like the Slingshot better. I bet a remake
would get some traffic.



On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 3:21 PM greenteadrinkers 
wrote:

> Thanks for the Moonshiner compliments!
>
> Patrick - I can't speak to a 4-bolt faceplate threadless. Currently, I
> have a Bosco with a Technomic on my Simple One, the stem is over-tightened
> and is now stable without slipping. That said, I'm not sure I'd venture
> over anything rougher than moderate gravel roads.  I should also be clear
> that I have not tested a Bosco wit the V5, but I can't think of a stronger
> solution for mating a Bosco with a threadless stem. The folks at Blue Lug
> are wonderful and assertive designers! Who else would design a stem like
> the V5? My only slight gripe - the gap left between the two mounting points
> on the stem is somewhat unsightly, but it leaves a perfect place to mount a
> battery light or GPS device.
>
> Regarding 700c, the Moonshiner was designed to accept both 650b and 700c,
> just not sure what the max width at 700c is, and you might run into toe
> overlap issues.
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:22:35 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I forgot to add: Very nice Moonshiner. And: too bad that the Moonshiner
>> takes 650Bs and not 700Cs; otherwise I'd be very interested indeed. But
>> despite Jan's deprecation, in my own not inconsiderable experience, taller
>> tires do very much float better over sand and more smoothly over small
>> high-amplitude bumps (eg, washboard) compared to smaller tires; in my own
>> case, 29 1/2" 700C 60s compared to 27.0" 559 60s at the same pressures.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting; I just glommed on the V5, which I'd not seen before. It
>>> seems to be a good design for bars where the moment of force is relatively
>>> high, like many of the current Rivendell bars.
>>>
>>> Curious: I can see how a Technomic would be wholly overwhelmed by a
>>> Bosco. But what about a wide-faced, 4-bolt single-clamp stem? The only
>>> examples of these last are the Ritchey 4-bolt faceplate threadless stems I
>>> have on 2 bikes, but I wonder if these might hold a Bosco in place firmly
>>> without requiring over tightening of the bolts?
>>>
>>> This is not an idle question; I may try a bosco or tosco or some other
>>> such long sweepback bar on the Monocog 29er, and I'd not want to have to
>>> buy a new V5 stem as well as a new, expensive, bar.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:45 AM greenteadrinkers 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love the V5, here are some pictures of the v5 with a Choco on my
 Moonshiner. If I was going to use a non-moose Bosco on a Gus, I would only
 use a v5, I had a non-moose Bosco with a Technomic on my Sam, and had to
 use a shim, the bar would slip unless I tightened the stem as hard down as
 absolutely possible. Now I have a Bosco Moose on the Sam, perfection! So...
 100% no go Bosco/Technomic for off-road roughstuff unless mated with a v5,
 I say this from experience. An aside, if you order a v5 from Blue Lug check
 out the brass spacers or the Nitto spacers, both are fabricated to mate
 perfectly with the v5.
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 19 updates in 10 topics

[J S]

You can also get the Nitto Technomic, same stem, different name.

Good luck

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> Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem
> 
> greenteadrinkers : Feb 15 10:45AM -0800
>
> I love the V5, here are some pictures of the v5 with a Choco on my
> Moonshiner. If I was going to use a non-moose Bosco on a Gus, I would only
> use a v5, I had a non-moose Bosco with a Technomic on my Sam, and had to
> use a shim, the bar would slip unless I tightened the stem as hard down as
> absolutely possible. Now I have a Bosco Moose on the Sam, perfection!
> So...
> 100% no go Bosco/Technomic for off-road roughstuff unless mated with a v5,
> I say this from experience. An aside, if you order a v5 from Blue Lug
> check
> out the brass spacers or the Nitto spacers, both are fabricated to mate
> perfectly with the v5.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-02-15 at 1.32.43 PM.png][image: Screen Shot
> 2023-02-15 at 1.32.10 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 2023-02-15 at 1.31.10
> PM.png][image: Screen Shot 2023-02-15 at 1.30.13 PM.png]
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:47:43 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
> Richard Rose : Feb 15 02:03PM -0500
>
> Thanks for the input. I have a Bosco on my Clem with a four bolt
> FacePlater. It does not slip but I had to re-torque a couple of times. But
> the Gus will see more rough stuff. I have a Soma Shotwell on the Gus now
> but it's a bit short. I will likely get a V5. BTW, nice Moonshiner.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 15, 2023, at 1:45 PM, greenteadrinkers 
> wrote:
>
> I love the V5, here are some pictures of the v5 with a Choco on my
> Moonshiner. If I was going to use a non-moose Bosco on a Gus, I would only
> use a v5, I had a non-moose Bosco with a Technomic on my Sam, and had to
> use a shim, the bar would slip unless I tightened the stem as hard down as
> absolutely possible. Now I have a Bosco Moose on the Sam, perfection! So...
> 100% no go Bosco/Technomic for off-road roughstuff unless mated with a v5,
> I say this from experience. An aside, if you order a v5 from Blue Lug check
> out the brass spacers or the Nitto spacers, both are fabricated to mate
> perfectly with the v5.
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:47:43 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
> I've found boscos to be very lenient with their "fitting". The only time I
> haven't liked them is when they are way too close. I have yet to have them
> too far. I find the bar tilt also drastically effects the reach - if that
> is a thing of concern.
>
> I absolutely love the looks of the V-5 stem. On the bike's I've seen with
> boscos/loscos and V5's installed I haven't taken much notice. Could always
> "riv it up" and wrap it with some cotton tape and twine. I haven't had
> issues with a faceplate chromoly stem and loscos but imagine it'd give the
> confidence of the boscomoose.
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 5:56:35 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Two separate questions. Regarding the Bosco; I am curious how others
> approach the Bosco from a fit perspective. I love mine on my Clem. Its a
> 540 wide and came with a 135 FacePlater. Mine is positioned with the tips
> between 2"-3" above the saddle nose. With the 135 stem those tips come back
> perhaps not as far as most folks? When pedaling, the tips do not come back
> far enough to cross an imaginary line between my knee caps. Turning the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jennings]

Leslie, is your frame painted the same color as the Orange Rambouillet?  
Did you have it painted or did it come from Riv like that?  If I ever get 
my Hunqapillar repainted it will match the original Rams.  

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:32:36 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:

> I'd originally put a deposit down on a normal Bomba (56, a 650b);  then 
> they started talking about the diaga-Bomba, and I called in, paid the diff, 
> upgraded to it instead.  
>
> When I first built up my Bomba, I was running 2.4 NeoMotos on it (under 
> fenders).I then tried out swapping to my 700c wheelset off my Ram 
> (ended up converting the Ram to 650b). 
> Later went to non-knobbies, then robbed that cockpit for my son's Ram.   
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
>   
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
>> seller).
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
>>> Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
>>> remember the longer bolt being included.
>>> [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
>>> - Frank
>>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify 
 for the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.

 [image: B72side s.jpg]

 [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]

 Laing


 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, 
> find a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty 
> well 
> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer 
>> Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be 
>> on 
>> my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) 
>> with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
>>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
 condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.

 JohnS


 On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
> Rosco 
> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>
> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  
> Kent 
> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>
> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>
> JohnS
>
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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[lconley]

Mine doesn't have a built in hanger.

I went with cantilevers - easier to put bigger tires on with fenders and 
also I am using drop bars. I have Paul Motolite V-brakes on my Gus ( and 
other V-brakes on other bikes) and I don't see any advantage in braking for 
V-brakes (nor discs for that matter) over cantilevers, but I do live in 
Florida.

Laing

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:11:56 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Leslie!
>
> About brakes, what do you all think for the Bombadil? V-Brakes or Cantis?
>
> I'm wondering if not using the built in hanger would be a waste
>
> ideas?
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:37:33 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:
>
>> I built up my 56 Bomba w/ NeoMotos originally; then I swapped and was 
>> running my Ram's 700c wheelset (I am using Motolite brakes, so I could 
>> slide the pads up to fit the 700c wheel).   I did go back to 650b on the 
>> Bomba, built a 650b wheelset for the Ram (and am running the 700c wheelset 
>> on the canti-Rom... )   
>>
>> It's crazy what all you can do w/ these
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:15:22 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I have 650B x 57 Schwalbe G-Ones on my Bombadil 52, but my chainstays 
>>> are longer than the 45 shown on the chart.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:08:07 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for sending that geo chart Garth! That makes more sense.

 You were close! I measured my Schwalbe tires and they are 44-45mm as 
 installed on the velocity synergy rims. It's hard to gauge the true 
 clearance of the frame without actually trying the wider tire, but I think 
 2.1 is ideal and anything beyond would be pushing it, particularly in the 
 rear - maybe I can go 2.2 or even 2.3 in the front and 2.1 in the rear. It 
 gets close as you approach the kickstand plate where the stays narrow, 
 I'll 
 play with it some more but my guestimate is that I'll have around 60mm of 
 clearance with the wider/taller tire, so if I want at least 3mm on each 
 side, that means 2.1 is the way to go in the rear, which means the 700c UD 
 MARS Race probably won't work for me on this frame.

 Thanks again
 Max

 *All of the above is without fenders

 On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Oh sheesh, now I was confused too because the linked chart is wrong. I 
> just measure mine, and it's the same as your, 62cm c-c along the TT, 63cm 
> effective. I never used that chart anyways, it's either a preliminary 
> version or it's simply a misprint, I'm guessing a misprint as the ETT 
> jump 
> from 56 to 60 frame should be 60.5 to 63, respectively. Every geo chart 
> ever printed by Riv, and I've kept most if not all, show the 60cm Bomba 
> @63cm ETT. 
>
> As for the tire clearance, those Supremes are what, in the 46-48cm 
> range ? Yes, there's lots of room between the stays, and on the front you 
> can fit a 2.2 without a fender. Between the blades is 63-64mm I think, 
> where the fender would go. The chainstays and bridge however I'm not so 
> sure, you'd have to either apply some widened calipers to guestimate the 
> width and how forward, or just put a mounted tire in there. How much room 
> is enough ? Enough that you don't crash and burn if caught in a "jam" ! 
> ((( 
> laughing ))). 
>


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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[maxcr]

Thanks Leslie!

About brakes, what do you all think for the Bombadil? V-Brakes or Cantis?

I'm wondering if not using the built in hanger would be a waste

ideas?

Max
On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:37:33 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:

> I built up my 56 Bomba w/ NeoMotos originally; then I swapped and was 
> running my Ram's 700c wheelset (I am using Motolite brakes, so I could 
> slide the pads up to fit the 700c wheel).   I did go back to 650b on the 
> Bomba, built a 650b wheelset for the Ram (and am running the 700c wheelset 
> on the canti-Rom... )   
>
> It's crazy what all you can do w/ these
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:15:22 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I have 650B x 57 Schwalbe G-Ones on my Bombadil 52, but my chainstays are 
>> longer than the 45 shown on the chart.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:08:07 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sending that geo chart Garth! That makes more sense.
>>>
>>> You were close! I measured my Schwalbe tires and they are 44-45mm as 
>>> installed on the velocity synergy rims. It's hard to gauge the true 
>>> clearance of the frame without actually trying the wider tire, but I think 
>>> 2.1 is ideal and anything beyond would be pushing it, particularly in the 
>>> rear - maybe I can go 2.2 or even 2.3 in the front and 2.1 in the rear. It 
>>> gets close as you approach the kickstand plate where the stays narrow, I'll 
>>> play with it some more but my guestimate is that I'll have around 60mm of 
>>> clearance with the wider/taller tire, so if I want at least 3mm on each 
>>> side, that means 2.1 is the way to go in the rear, which means the 700c UD 
>>> MARS Race probably won't work for me on this frame.
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>> Max
>>>
>>> *All of the above is without fenders
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Oh sheesh, now I was confused too because the linked chart is wrong. I 
 just measure mine, and it's the same as your, 62cm c-c along the TT, 63cm 
 effective. I never used that chart anyways, it's either a preliminary 
 version or it's simply a misprint, I'm guessing a misprint as the ETT jump 
 from 56 to 60 frame should be 60.5 to 63, respectively. Every geo chart 
 ever printed by Riv, and I've kept most if not all, show the 60cm Bomba 
 @63cm ETT. 

 As for the tire clearance, those Supremes are what, in the 46-48cm 
 range ? Yes, there's lots of room between the stays, and on the front you 
 can fit a 2.2 without a fender. Between the blades is 63-64mm I think, 
 where the fender would go. The chainstays and bridge however I'm not so 
 sure, you'd have to either apply some widened calipers to guestimate the 
 width and how forward, or just put a mounted tire in there. How much room 
 is enough ? Enough that you don't crash and burn if caught in a "jam" ! 
 ((( 
 laughing ))). 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Tallux Stem - 11cm, 25.4mm

[David B]

Stem obtained!
Thanks,
David

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:47:48 PM UTC-6 David B wrote:

> Looking to swap up the stem on my Clem - originally built this with 
> Albatross bars, switched to Wavie which I've been running for a few years, 
> but the 12cm stem has always been a touch long. Interested to see how a 
> 11cm would feel. Also doing a canti to v-brake swap so figured this would 
> be a good time to play around with stem reach. But, Rivendell is out of 
> stock in the size I need. So... looking for...
>
> Nitto Tallux stem (the cold forged, 225mm height version that Riv sells)
> 25.4mm clamp
> 11 cm extension.
> Interested in used or new condition.
>
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Dick Pahle]

Franklyn:

Who knows. Might work. My only other bike is a 1983 Raleigh Super Course 12 
speed. Don't think you'd wanna ride that one. 

Dick

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 10:30:53 PM UTC-5 sin...@msn.com wrote:

> I live no where near Asheville (in Berkeley, CA) but my wife was born in 
> Asheville and grew up in Greenville, SC, and I visited the Upstate/Western 
> NC plenty between 2006 and 2019. Here is the selfish bit: I will be 
> visiting the upstate area from 2/22-2/28, maybe you guys can arrange the 
> get together ride on the weekend of 2/26-27? (and someone lend me a bike?)
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:30:12 PM UTC-8 Suntour Jim wrote:
>
>> Same goes for me - Knoxville is only 2 hours away from Asheville. A group 
>> ride would be great.
>>
>> Jim Bailey
>> Knoxville, TN
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:31:49 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm only 5 to 5.5 hours away from Asheville and/or Boone. I'm in Central 
>>> KY. There's a handful of us Riv riders here who would probably consider 
>>> making the drive if there was a meetup planned in that area!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:24:27 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dick, just saying "thank you" for kicking off this thread. Interesting 
 to see the number of Riv riders in the area.

 If you ever take a notion to organize a Brevard area ride for Riv 
 riders (and Riv curious, like myself) I'd be interested. Between the 
 Brevard paved greenway network, the dirt trail into the National Forest at 
 Pisgah Forest and the breweries/eateries along the greenway - and whatever 
 routes you Brevard locals keep secret - I bet a low key party pace ride 
 could be a fun event. 

 On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:31:53 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:

> Thanx to all responding to my western NC post. Good to know. 
> First..to Pamtook your CC class in Clt few years ago. Still 
> benefitting from it. Good friend of David S who I think  is member of 
> this 
> group too. To Michaelwill keep eyes open for your father here in 
> Brevard. At 73, I'm guessing I'm as old or older than him. :-) To Steve 
> in 
> Asheville. I know the areas you mention well. The hills around here can 
> be 
> brutal, especially for an old slow guy like me. 
>
> I've ridden from my home in Brevard to the Parkway (Blue Ridge 
> Parkway) once, up 276 and back down. ~ 40 miles round trip with tough 
> elevation gain, especially the last few miles, before heading back down. 
> Ever thankful for my super comfortable 61 Homer that Keven helped me with 
> back when he was still at Riv. Great guy. 
>
> I get the usual comments about my bike. Nice bike! How old is it? 
> Among others.
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I don't live in NC, but my sister lives in Pittsboro, and I generally 
>> make it up there a couple of times a year. I will be there the 1st week 
>> of 
>> July this year at a minimum.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:36:20 AM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a Riv rider in West Asheville
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:03:21 PM UTC-5 lukeheller wrote:
>>>
 I used to ride a Riv Canti-Rom for a few years when i first started 
 riding brevets in 2012.
 No longer ride a riv but all my bikes are riv inspired. I've had 
 several custom frames that are spin offs from my canti-rom.
 I'm the local organizer for the Asheville Intl Randonneurs and live 
 in Asheville if anyone wants to drink the kool-aid.

 On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:33:52 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm in Asheville. Not currently on a Riv but am giving one some 
> serious thought (which is why I'm on this group). I occasionally ride 
> fire 
> roads in the Pisgah starting from the Hub. Last spring I did a ride 
> from 
> the Arboretum at Bent Creek to the Hub (still sore from that one!). 
> Been 
> thinking Oscar Blues or Ecusta Brewing might be fun to start from and 
> end 
> at. I'd enjoy riding with a group of Riv riders - if you'd promise 
> not to 
> be too hard on me if I turn up on a different marque. Full 
> disclosure; I am 
> old and slow.
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:45:40 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm in Charlotte, NC.  We should plan a Riv NC ride sometime.  
>> I'm not much for climbing.
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 
>> esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dick,
>>>
>>> I live in the flatlands of 

[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Dick Pahle]

I am out of my league when it comes to orgainizing things (anything). Pam 
in Charlotte (on this list) is much better at it than me as she does it all 
the time. Downside is she doesn't know the area all that well. Could be 
wrong about that. 

Would enjoy a group ride and would be cool to get others from as far away 
as Kentucky and/or Knoxville Tn to join us. If anybody wants to stay 
overnight Jann and I have two guest bedrooms and lots of floorspace for 
those who may not mind crashing there in a sleeping bag. Neat little 50's 
style motel nearby too.  Lots of camping options including backcountry in 
the Pisgah National Forest. 

99% of my road riding is slow and solo. Leave from my house for various 
amounts of time and distance, based on how my 73 year old body feels at the 
time. 

Thinking out loud...many good local shops in town. They could 
suggest routes. Or we could do a section of the Blue Ridge Parkway which 
would mean out and back or arranging for some kind of shuttle service. 
Parkway is beautiful. Lots of 'scenic overlook spots' every few miles. 
Hilly in lots of places. As best I can recall the elevation along the ridge 
near us is 3 to 5,000 feet. Riding up to the Parkway and back from Brevard 
would be about 30 miles, round trip. Or longer if you wanted to add some 
parkway miles once we got up there. For me, that would be a hard ride. 

What's next? Does someone here wanna organize? All done on this thread or 
do we start a new one?

Spring and fall are georgeous here. Summer too but it can be hot and humid. 
Plus, we are in a temperate rain forest so it rains a lot. 

Had no idea my post looking for Rivs in the area would generate this kinda 
response. It's great!!!

Dick



On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:24:27 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Dick, just saying "thank you" for kicking off this thread. Interesting to 
> see the number of Riv riders in the area.
>
> If you ever take a notion to organize a Brevard area ride for Riv riders 
> (and Riv curious, like myself) I'd be interested. Between the Brevard paved 
> greenway network, the dirt trail into the National Forest at Pisgah Forest 
> and the breweries/eateries along the greenway - and whatever routes you 
> Brevard locals keep secret - I bet a low key party pace ride could be a fun 
> event. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:31:53 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>
>> Thanx to all responding to my western NC post. Good to know. 
>> First..to Pamtook your CC class in Clt few years ago. Still 
>> benefitting from it. Good friend of David S who I think  is member of this 
>> group too. To Michaelwill keep eyes open for your father here in 
>> Brevard. At 73, I'm guessing I'm as old or older than him. :-) To Steve in 
>> Asheville. I know the areas you mention well. The hills around here can be 
>> brutal, especially for an old slow guy like me. 
>>
>> I've ridden from my home in Brevard to the Parkway (Blue Ridge Parkway) 
>> once, up 276 and back down. ~ 40 miles round trip with tough elevation 
>> gain, especially the last few miles, before heading back down. Ever 
>> thankful for my super comfortable 61 Homer that Keven helped me with back 
>> when he was still at Riv. Great guy. 
>>
>> I get the usual comments about my bike. Nice bike! How old is it? Among 
>> others.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I don't live in NC, but my sister lives in Pittsboro, and I generally 
>>> make it up there a couple of times a year. I will be there the 1st week of 
>>> July this year at a minimum.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:36:20 AM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>
 I'm a Riv rider in West Asheville

 On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:03:21 PM UTC-5 lukeheller wrote:

> I used to ride a Riv Canti-Rom for a few years when i first started 
> riding brevets in 2012.
> No longer ride a riv but all my bikes are riv inspired. I've had 
> several custom frames that are spin offs from my canti-rom.
> I'm the local organizer for the Asheville Intl Randonneurs and live in 
> Asheville if anyone wants to drink the kool-aid.
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:33:52 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in Asheville. Not currently on a Riv but am giving one some 
>> serious thought (which is why I'm on this group). I occasionally ride 
>> fire 
>> roads in the Pisgah starting from the Hub. Last spring I did a ride from 
>> the Arboretum at Bent Creek to the Hub (still sore from that one!). Been 
>> thinking Oscar Blues or Ecusta Brewing might be fun to start from and 
>> end 
>> at. I'd enjoy riding with a group of Riv riders - if you'd promise not 
>> to 
>> be too hard on me if I turn up on a different marque. Full disclosure; I 
>> am 
>> old and slow.
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:45:40 PM UTC-5 Pam 

[RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[JohnS]

Nick, different bikes for different functions, I subscribe to that.

JohnS (who's family thinks he has too many bikes)

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 3:42:41 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 2:45:51 am UTC+11 JohnS wrote:
> Nick, that's one clean Appaloosa! Did you just give it a refurb? I'm in 
> the process of giving my QB one.
>
> No, the bike has been sitting in my back room for a while as all my 
> cycling lately has been unloaded riding on other bikes. I find that the 
> Appaloosa is too stoutly built for unloaded riding - I have other bikes 
> with frames made from skinnier, lighter gauge tubing that I prefer in that 
> situation.
>
> Nick
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[Garth]

>From my experience using open face stems of the 2 and 4 bolt variety with 
steel Albatross bars, the efficacy of such a design is obvious. Notably on 
the 4 bolt, I tighten them a little at a time, alternating criss-cross, 
zigging and zagging, and they only need to be modestly tight, no heroics 
involved. Come to think of it, I don't even use a shim with a 26.0 Koski 
alloy threadless stem and the 25.4 steel Albatross. I was gonna get a shim, 
as criminally overpriced they are, and I thought I bought one, but darned 
if I can't find it, so I left it as-is to see how it went, and it hasn't 
budged for years. I can't say I'm a hulkster, but I do climb out the saddle 
often and apply a lot of lateral leverage. 

A Bosco could really use an open face stem for anything save pedestrian 
riding. 

Basically, any open face stem is going to hold more firm than a closed 
single bolt one, 2 or 4 bolt. 

The current Nitto V aren't quite as nice as the cold forged and burly 
elegance of the Specialized Slingshot stems from the 80's though. Damn 
they used to make some nice parts, for the sake of the beauty and 
creativity of it, of Living itself.   

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