Re: [RBW] Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[maxcr]

Thanks Matthew; the paint is really something! 

It’s a 60 - take a look at the initial confusion I had before getting it - 
here’s the 
thread: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/jK5Le9uiJ3E/m/mkygvvKuAAAJ

It’s a 700 wheel size and I think 2.1” would be comfortable and 2.3” or 
more would be ambitious, particularly with knobs.

Following the Radavist’s bomba build, I had originally ordered MARS 2.3” 
from ultradynamico but I got the wrong size (650) before getting the bike… 
I returned them but still wonder how that would handle/look like, so I 
might reorder at some point - what tires you would you use?

I’m lucky that I have a 58 Hunqapillar with 2.1” thunderburts and no 
fenders as my hillibike, so I’m not in a hurry to make the change on the 
Bombadil right now.

The seller said he got it from Riv in 2016, based on the serial, I think it 
was made in ‘09 which seems in line with the timeline of when they were 
being sold.

I’ll keep you in mind if I decide to swap the bullmoose bars although it 
seems silly to have these huge heavy bars shipped from Riv to the east 
coast to have them shipped back to CA.

Cheers!
Max
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:16:23 AM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:

> Hey there Max!
>
> I love your blue Bombadil. It'd be a dream to score one at a reasonable 
> price. I love that paint!
> What is the frame size and wheel size?
> I like fenders but I like even more maxing out my tire width. How wide can 
> you go? You think about trying that?
> Any idea on the year of the bike and where it was made?
> Let me know if you want to sell the bullmoose bars  ;-)
>
> Thanks for sharing and happy Bombadil'in!
>
> -Matthew P in San Diego
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report and photos, Max. Beautiful build on a rare beast. 
>> It looks like so much fun. Enjoy!
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:11 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>>
>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
>> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>> thread.
>>
>> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't 
>> seem to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks Jason 
>> for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering some 
>> parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
>> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
>> iteration. 
>>
>> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
>> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
>> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>>  (pretty cool site with 
>> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
>> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
>> recommended.
>>
>> 
>>
>> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
>> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
>> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
>> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
>> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
>> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>>
>> <4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
>> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
>> before deciding what to do.
>>
>> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
>> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
>> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
>> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
>> build.
>>
>> 
>>
>> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
>> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
>> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
>> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
>> road which brought me back home.
>>
>> 
>>
>> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
>> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
>> out again.
>>
>> Max near Boston.
>>
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Get Around Bars

[Mitch]

hey! if you are ever looking to sell this frame- id buy!

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 9:56:06 PM UTC-7 Birdman wrote:

> Good catch, Sam. My bad.

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[Matthew P]

Hey there Max!

I love your blue Bombadil. It'd be a dream to score one at a reasonable 
price. I love that paint!
What is the frame size and wheel size?
I like fenders but I like even more maxing out my tire width. How wide can 
you go? You think about trying that?
Any idea on the year of the bike and where it was made?
Let me know if you want to sell the bullmoose bars  ;-)

Thanks for sharing and happy Bombadil'in!

-Matthew P in San Diego

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Thanks for the report and photos, Max. Beautiful build on a rare beast. It 
> looks like so much fun. Enjoy!
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:11 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>
> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
> thread.
>
> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't seem 
> to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>
> 
>
> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks Jason 
> for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering some 
> parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
> iteration. 
>
> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>  (pretty cool site with 
> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
> recommended.
>
> 
>
> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>
> 
>
> 
>
> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>
> <4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg>
>
>
> 
>
> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
> before deciding what to do.
>
> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
> build.
>
> 
>
> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
> road which brought me back home.
>
> 
>
> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
> out again.
>
> Max near Boston.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish bikes for sale, terms apply

[Jay Lonner]

Yes indeed Keith, and it looks like both bikes will soon be on their way to another good home. LHT’s of that era were such an incredible value — these bikes should be on the road for many years to come.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Apr 13, 2023, at 5:07 PM, iamkeith  wrote:Fantastic!  That green one is the frame I sold to you yars ago when my own daughter no longer needed it, right?  It makes me happy to see the pictures again, and to know it might be passed on to yet another list member!On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:14:08 AM UTC-6 Jay Lonner wrote:Some years ago I built up Surly Long Haul Truckers for my adolescent daughters. Those daughters are now adults, and these bikes are in need of a new home. The black bike measures 20” from the center of the crank to the center of the seat cluster, the green one 19”. The fork steerers are uncut.The builds are very Riv-ish. Sugino cranks, Deore rear derailers, VO Porteur bars, SunTour friction thumbshifters, Tektro Oryx brakes. One bike has XT hubs, the other XTR. Tubus Cargo rear racks fitted with Busch and Muller 4D Toplights, Nitto M12 front racks with baskets. Paul Gino light mounts on the forks.Now here’s the catch — even though a lot of these parts are valuable, I’m not really interested in holding out for top dollar. I’d rather see these bikes get used in support of some sort of cycling advocacy. There’s a local non-profit community bike shop where I could drop them off, no problem. But I also remember a time in my life when money was tight and I had young daughters that I wanted to introduce to biking. I’m wondering if any of you kindred spirits out there in Riv-land  meet that description, and might be interested in working out some sort of deal for picking up one or both of these bikes on the cheap. Professional bargain hunters and/or eBay resellers need not apply — I reserve the right to be choosy.Jay LonnerBellingham, WA



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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Eric Marth]

Ken — The Riv lugged seatposts are great but they only come in 27.2 ø and 
my seat tube on the MB-2 is reamed for 26.8 ø 

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 7:04:03 PM UTC-4 KenP wrote:

>Analog sold me one of those SR years ago and I have been using it ever 
> since.  I like it.  Would one of the Rivendell lugged seatposts work?  They 
> have a setback and I have one of them on a bike and like it.  Probably hard 
> to find.
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:28:18 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Leah, I'm happy to be helpful! I'm also sorry to hear you tried and had a 
>> bad experience with the IRD seatpost. I was excited when it was released 
>> because it seemed like it would solve the 26.8 lots of setback problem. But 
>> that seatpost is just a problem and a setback in and of itself. 
>>
>> Just as a note on the Kalloy post: it lists 24mm of offset. Compared to a 
>> Nitto S83 at 23mm that's hardly a noticeable difference. I can get that 
>> extra millimeter if I forego underwear. 
>>
>> I will again endorse the SR MTE-100. They're hard to find, they're pretty 
>> ugly but they're stout and have *tons* of setback. I did have trouble 
>> getting that quick release to stay put so I replaced mine with a long 8mm 
>> bolt and a nylock nut. 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-04-13 at 1.25.06 PM.png]
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:07:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, I’m so glad you started this thread. I went through the same 
>>> odyssey a few years ago and tried the IRD seatpost and it slipped like 
>>> crazy. Riv took it back and stopped selling it because it was a widespread 
>>> problem. I want a bit more setback on my Platy so I’m going to take Liz’s 
>>> recommendation.
>>>
>>> Liz - thank you SO much! I was led to believe during my search that I 
>>> was out of luck because most seatposts come in the-27-whatever size and not 
>>> our uncommon 26.8. Can this seat post really work well at only $15?!? 
>>>
>>> Much thanks,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:42:42 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screenshot 2023-04-12 at 10.40.34 PM.png]

 Hi all — I'm comparing 26.8 seatposts and their varying setback. I'd 
 like the saddle on my MB-2 to be further back. 

 Does anyone have any firsthand experience with how a Thompson and Nitto 
 S83 compare in terms of setback? I've been searching around and can't find 
 any definitive measurements. 

 I'm currently running a Suntour XC Pro seatpost and it looks like 
 either of the above will give me more setback than I currently have.  

 I've tried and very much did *not* like the IRD wayback seatpost, it 
 slips. Others have reported the same. Don't buy this seatpost! 

 The vintage SR MTE-100 is good, solid, I run one on my Appaloosa. Would 
 rather try something different. Plus, they're hard to find! 




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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish bikes for sale, terms apply

[iamkeith]

Fantastic!  That green one is the frame I sold to you yars ago when my own 
daughter no longer needed it, right?  It makes me happy to see the pictures 
again, and to know it might be passed on to yet another list member!

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:14:08 AM UTC-6 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Some years ago I built up Surly Long Haul Truckers for my adolescent 
> daughters. Those daughters are now adults, and these bikes are in need of a 
> new home. The black bike measures 20” from the center of the crank to the 
> center of the seat cluster, the green one 19”. The fork steerers are uncut.
>
> The builds are very Riv-ish. Sugino cranks, Deore rear derailers, VO 
> Porteur bars, SunTour friction thumbshifters, Tektro Oryx brakes. One bike 
> has XT hubs, the other XTR. Tubus Cargo rear racks fitted with Busch and 
> Muller 4D Toplights, Nitto M12 front racks with baskets. Paul Gino light 
> mounts on the forks.
>
> Now here’s the catch — even though a lot of these parts are valuable, I’m 
> not really interested in holding out for top dollar. I’d rather see these 
> bikes get used in support of some sort of cycling advocacy. There’s a local 
> non-profit community bike shop where I could drop them off, no problem. But 
> I also remember a time in my life when money was tight and I had young 
> daughters that I wanted to introduce to biking. I’m wondering if any of you 
> kindred spirits out there in Riv-land  meet that description, and might be 
> interested in working out some sort of deal for picking up one or both of 
> these bikes on the cheap. Professional bargain hunters and/or eBay 
> resellers need not apply — I reserve the right to be choosy.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> [image: IMG_0120.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_0119.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[KenP]

   Analog sold me one of those SR years ago and I have been using it ever 
since.  I like it.  Would one of the Rivendell lugged seatposts work?  They 
have a setback and I have one of them on a bike and like it.  Probably hard 
to find.

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:28:18 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Leah, I'm happy to be helpful! I'm also sorry to hear you tried and had a 
> bad experience with the IRD seatpost. I was excited when it was released 
> because it seemed like it would solve the 26.8 lots of setback problem. But 
> that seatpost is just a problem and a setback in and of itself. 
>
> Just as a note on the Kalloy post: it lists 24mm of offset. Compared to a 
> Nitto S83 at 23mm that's hardly a noticeable difference. I can get that 
> extra millimeter if I forego underwear. 
>
> I will again endorse the SR MTE-100. They're hard to find, they're pretty 
> ugly but they're stout and have *tons* of setback. I did have trouble 
> getting that quick release to stay put so I replaced mine with a long 8mm 
> bolt and a nylock nut. 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-04-13 at 1.25.06 PM.png]
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:07:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, I’m so glad you started this thread. I went through the same 
>> odyssey a few years ago and tried the IRD seatpost and it slipped like 
>> crazy. Riv took it back and stopped selling it because it was a widespread 
>> problem. I want a bit more setback on my Platy so I’m going to take Liz’s 
>> recommendation.
>>
>> Liz - thank you SO much! I was led to believe during my search that I was 
>> out of luck because most seatposts come in the-27-whatever size and not our 
>> uncommon 26.8. Can this seat post really work well at only $15?!? 
>>
>> Much thanks,
>> Leah
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:42:42 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-04-12 at 10.40.34 PM.png]
>>>
>>> Hi all — I'm comparing 26.8 seatposts and their varying setback. I'd 
>>> like the saddle on my MB-2 to be further back. 
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any firsthand experience with how a Thompson and Nitto 
>>> S83 compare in terms of setback? I've been searching around and can't find 
>>> any definitive measurements. 
>>>
>>> I'm currently running a Suntour XC Pro seatpost and it looks like either 
>>> of the above will give me more setback than I currently have.  
>>>
>>> I've tried and very much did *not* like the IRD wayback seatpost, it 
>>> slips. Others have reported the same. Don't buy this seatpost! 
>>>
>>> The vintage SR MTE-100 is good, solid, I run one on my Appaloosa. Would 
>>> rather try something different. Plus, they're hard to find! 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 173 v. 178 Crank Arms?

[Brett Callahan]

Is toe overlap an issue for you on this bike? Would it be if you added 
fenders? Do you ever intend to add fenders? 

I think the other arguments in this thread, both pro and con, are 
articulate. Personally, I hate to overlap and would make my decision based 
on whether this will make it a problem, or worsen a problem. 
On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:49:19 PM UTC-7 ryan.tre...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Matt,
>
> There's a long thread on the i-bob group site on this topic as well.  I 
> just bought some longer cranks (my PBH is 91 and I'm 6'2") - riv is selling 
> 184's now, so I got some.  I went form 175's to 184's, so a bigger jump 
> that what you're looking to do.  It's slightly noticeable.   I do like the 
> longer ones better, but it's probably personal preference.  Most noticeable 
> aspect is a slightly lower cadence, which I personally like, but it doesn't 
> make that much of a difference tbh.  I had 178's on a 58 cm appaloosa I 
> used to own so it should fit fine (if memory serves, I think I actually 
> sold that frame to you several years ago, lol).  Currently, I have 178's on 
> my Clem L (in addition to the 184's on my Roadini) and don't have any 
> problems with pedal strike.  Just don't pedal through corners.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:00:16 AM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:
>
>> My experience with crank length is that it is not very noticeable. I 
>> think I have the 173 silvers on my appaloosa, have 175's on my ram, and 
>> also have 165's on another bike. I ride flat pedals all the time and tend 
>> to adjust my foot position slightly throughout rides, probably more 
>> noticeable clipped in. At this point I'd say I'm partial towards a shorter 
>> crank (I like the 165-170 range, personally I would'nt go above 175) to 
>> avoid more pedal strike, but it also depends a little on the bike. Shorter 
>> cranks raises your saddle a little, but again, its all very slight. I think 
>> I've even seen Will in a riv email say that crank length doesn't matter 
>> that much/don't overthink it..
>>
>> for reference I'm around 6'2 with a 92ish pbh, I ride the 60cm Joe. 
>>
>> -Stephen 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:55:31 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Save your cash . 
>>>
>>> I'd ask why are you considering longer arms ?  
>>>
>>> My experience with longer cranks(up to 185mm) is that they didn't live 
>>> up to the promise the crank length theories based on leg dimensions 
>>> claimed. Theories are theories after all. The opposite way works for me. 
>>> Foot further forward of the axle and much shorter arms(150mm) works 
>>> brilliant for me. Ease of leg speed and leverage. I'm not alone in this 
>>> discovery of course, it's just that it doesn't fit into any of the en-vogue 
>>> formulas, so few bother to challenge it. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:55:02 AM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
 I'm 6' 1" give or take with a 89.5pbh. 've ridden 165-180mm cranks. My 
 preference is typically 165-170. I like the pedal clearance and prefer 
 higher cadence riding. I generally get used to whatever I am riding 
 though. 
 No science based or anatomical insight, but I feel like outside of 
 marginal 
 gains and maybe physiological anomalies ones body will adapt to whatever. 

 I wouldn't over think it. If you want some new cranks and got the cash, 
 why not give it a try. 

 On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, 
>
> I am considering switching my crank arms. My existing arms are 173; 
> I’m thinking about going to 178. Here are the existing specs: 
>
> Bike: Appaloosa 58cm with 700c wheels 
> PBH: 90.5 
> I’m 6’ tall and I have long legs. 
>
> Here are my questions: 
>
> 1: Will 178 arms work on my bike, or will I not have enough ground 
> clearance? 
>
> 2: Why was the bike originally built with 173 arms? Is it a 
> standard/average size, better ground clearance, better fit for the 
> average 
> user, toe-hitting-the-front-wheel, or another reason? 
>
> 3: Is the 173 v. 178 difference so minimal that I won’t notice it? 
>
> As always, your experience, wisdom, advice, and opinions are 
> appreciated. Thanks, everyone. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Laing,
We've not solidified ANY details yet, but I'd guess about 50/50 road/gravel 
fire roads. There are also lots of single track options that we could map 
out if anyone is interested in that. We will probably also map out shorter 
and longer options for each day.
g

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 9:50:31 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Great. I guess we have a couple of months to nail down the details.
> Is this going to be more roadish or more off-roadish / gravel? I just want 
> to make sure that I have the correct bicycle(s) assembled.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi from Asheville,
>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders 
>> and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) 
>> that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for 
>> them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If 
>> anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to answer 
>> any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
>> Cheers, 
>> Gary
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better 
>>> for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am freed 
>>> up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize for 
>>> these new dates!
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
 dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.

 On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend 
> of May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be 
> free that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better 
> for 
> more people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi George,
>> Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at 
>> Bent Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike 
>> path, and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North 
>> Asheville. With plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food 
>> during or after the rides.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going 
>>> over to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just 
>>> curious.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
 before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi,
> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but 
> a May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any 
> interest in 
> a meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
> there's 
> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
> for 
> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
> Gary
>


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Re: [RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm HiHo Silver F+F new in box

[Taylor M]

Sold, thanks!

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 12:58 PM Taylor M  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Happy Spring!
>
> Up for sale is a new Sam Hillborne 51cm in HiHo Silver from the most
> recent run. Frame+fork was ordered from and shipped by Rivendell, and is
> still in the box. Happy to open up the box and take photos for serious
> inquiries.
>
> Asking $1750 net to me. Located in the Boston area and prefer a local
> sale, but willing to ship CONUS. Buyer covers shipping and PayPal / Venmo
> fees.
>
> Have parts for a build as well (Cliffhanger rims, Silver cranks, Paul
> Motolites, BxB bags, etc.).
>
> Cheers,
> Taylor
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[lconley]

My Clementine would need a spacer to use a 27.2 seatpost, the early Clems 
used a larger diameter seat tube.
My super heavy duty Bombadil was built with a 27.0 Seat Tube inner 
diameter. I used a brake cylinder hone to enlarge it, that was before I got 
the reamer. 
I completely understand people not wanting to modify their frames, but I 
just turned 67 this week, so I don't think I will live long enough to wear 
out any of my frames, modified or not. I have been working on my own bikes 
for 50+ years and have broken things before and it is not the end of the 
world. I haven't broken a frame yet, though.
I am not knocking 26.8 inner diameter seat tubes - Grant knows what he is 
doing. I have short legs and a long body, so long setback seat posts (I 
have 3 S-84s) and long stems have been my friends, allowing me to ride off 
the shelf bicycle frames. My Rivendell Custom has a 53.4 seat tube and 63.0 
effective top tube.
Remember, it is a steel frame and seat tubes can be replaced if worse comes 
to worse, and that gives you the excuse to get a new Joe Bell paint job.
Rivendells (including my 1st Sam Hillborne) had 27.2 inner diameter seat 
tubes for years, with few if any problems. Has anybody on this list ever 
had a 27.2 seat tube fail at the seat post?
I also filed my steerer tube on my Custom so that I could use a ReneHERSE 
front cable hanger.́HERSE   HERSE

Laing

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 4:31:25 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I cringe to think of reaming out the seat tube of my Clem!! Surely it was 
> designed to be as is... And I'm not calling anyone shirley.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 4:28:40 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I am not going to lend my reamer out, nor am I going to be responsible 
>> for shipping frames, but if anyone wants to drop by Delray Beach or bring 
>> their frame to the meet in Ashville, NC the weekend of July 7-9, I would be 
>> happy to do the deed.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 3:39:37 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, are you offering to perform this service for us helpless Listers? 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:03 PM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> 27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84:
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and 
 cursed the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.

 On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:

 FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 
 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any 
 more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy 
 of 
 a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
 diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep 
 dive 
 in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
 much easier with 27.2 posts !


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[RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139

[Thomas McCause]

I have the  Blackburn Local Basket Front or Rear Bike Rack, One Size 
 on my Big dummy, and it is bomber 
(if a little heavy).  It's discontinued, but if you can find one, I think 
you'll really like it.  It perfectly fits the welded Rockgeist bag that is 
built for the 139 basket.

Thomas


On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:14:09 PM UTC-6 J Schwartz wrote:

> Thanks for these suggestions.  I hadn't heard of Pelago.   It certainly 
> looks like it could do the trick on a budget.  
> Yes the P racks seem perfect but they are even more than the Basket 
> Rack.  I'm sure they are priced correctly just saying...same thing applies 
> re: my original post.
> I hadn't thought of the Obentu.  It's also small (8.25" square for a 13" x 
> 18" basket) but has 5-way attachment to the bike so that should help.
> Think I'll give my R-14 a try first even though there's no diving board.
> My intention is to be able to carry 2 grocery bags up front and/or farmers 
> market hauls which can get heavy and a few miles so need to be smart about 
> itwhich may mean just ponying up for the Basket Rack.
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 2:31:59 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: 164BB9A1-C5FD-4DD7-9E6A-865A52AD8E2A.jpeg]
>> Pass & Stow always and forever
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:47:07 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://mementocycles.com/en/products/atlas-v3-stainless-raw
>>>
>>> handmade in canada - USD shipped is probably pretty reasonable[image: 
>>> PXL_20220913_220339252.jpg]. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 6:00:20 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Laing, that's the most gorgeous Clementine I've seen yet! Bravo. I like 
 the addition of the the cafe lock, too!

 -Brian

 On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:29:52 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> VO Porteur - $165.
> [image: IMG_1621LQ.JPG]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 8:29:38 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what 
>> ppl are using for a rack.
>> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and 
>> I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with 
>> spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it 
>> is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to 
>> see 
>> what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their 
>> bikes.
>> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people 
>> have used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and 
>> doesn't 
>> have any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's 
>> strong enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on 
>> the 
>> rear of the bike though.
>> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
>> thanks
>> JS
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Doug H.]

I cringe to think of reaming out the seat tube of my Clem!! Surely it was 
designed to be as is... And I'm not calling anyone shirley.
Doug

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 4:28:40 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I am not going to lend my reamer out, nor am I going to be responsible for 
> shipping frames, but if anyone wants to drop by Delray Beach or bring their 
> frame to the meet in Ashville, NC the weekend of July 7-9, I would be happy 
> to do the deed.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 3:39:37 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, are you offering to perform this service for us helpless Listers? 
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:03 PM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> 27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84:
>>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and 
>>> cursed the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 
>>> 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any 
>>> more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of 
>>> a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
>>> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
>>> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
>>> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[lconley]

I am not going to lend my reamer out, nor am I going to be responsible for 
shipping frames, but if anyone wants to drop by Delray Beach or bring their 
frame to the meet in Ashville, NC the weekend of July 7-9, I would be happy 
to do the deed.

Laing

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 3:39:37 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Laing, are you offering to perform this service for us helpless Listers? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:03 PM, lconley  wrote:
>
> 27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84:
>
> 
>  
> 
>
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and cursed 
>> the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 
>> 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any 
>> more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of 
>> a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
>> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
>> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
>> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>>
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[RBW] Re: 173 v. 178 Crank Arms?

[R Olson]

Matt,

There's a long thread on the i-bob group site on this topic as well.  I 
just bought some longer cranks (my PBH is 91 and I'm 6'2") - riv is selling 
184's now, so I got some.  I went form 175's to 184's, so a bigger jump 
that what you're looking to do.  It's slightly noticeable.   I do like the 
longer ones better, but it's probably personal preference.  Most noticeable 
aspect is a slightly lower cadence, which I personally like, but it doesn't 
make that much of a difference tbh.  I had 178's on a 58 cm appaloosa I 
used to own so it should fit fine (if memory serves, I think I actually 
sold that frame to you several years ago, lol).  Currently, I have 178's on 
my Clem L (in addition to the 184's on my Roadini) and don't have any 
problems with pedal strike.  Just don't pedal through corners.

Ryan

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:00:16 AM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:

> My experience with crank length is that it is not very noticeable. I think 
> I have the 173 silvers on my appaloosa, have 175's on my ram, and also have 
> 165's on another bike. I ride flat pedals all the time and tend to adjust 
> my foot position slightly throughout rides, probably more noticeable 
> clipped in. At this point I'd say I'm partial towards a shorter crank (I 
> like the 165-170 range, personally I would'nt go above 175) to avoid more 
> pedal strike, but it also depends a little on the bike. Shorter cranks 
> raises your saddle a little, but again, its all very slight. I think I've 
> even seen Will in a riv email say that crank length doesn't matter that 
> much/don't overthink it..
>
> for reference I'm around 6'2 with a 92ish pbh, I ride the 60cm Joe. 
>
> -Stephen 
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:55:31 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Save your cash . 
>>
>> I'd ask why are you considering longer arms ?  
>>
>> My experience with longer cranks(up to 185mm) is that they didn't live up 
>> to the promise the crank length theories based on leg dimensions claimed. 
>> Theories are theories after all. The opposite way works for me. Foot 
>> further forward of the axle and much shorter arms(150mm) works brilliant 
>> for me. Ease of leg speed and leverage. I'm not alone in this discovery of 
>> course, it's just that it doesn't fit into any of the en-vogue formulas, so 
>> few bother to challenge it. 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:55:02 AM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> I'm 6' 1" give or take with a 89.5pbh. 've ridden 165-180mm cranks. My 
>>> preference is typically 165-170. I like the pedal clearance and prefer 
>>> higher cadence riding. I generally get used to whatever I am riding though. 
>>> No science based or anatomical insight, but I feel like outside of marginal 
>>> gains and maybe physiological anomalies ones body will adapt to whatever. 
>>>
>>> I wouldn't over think it. If you want some new cranks and got the cash, 
>>> why not give it a try. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone, 

 I am considering switching my crank arms. My existing arms are 173; I’m 
 thinking about going to 178. Here are the existing specs: 

 Bike: Appaloosa 58cm with 700c wheels 
 PBH: 90.5 
 I’m 6’ tall and I have long legs. 

 Here are my questions: 

 1: Will 178 arms work on my bike, or will I not have enough ground 
 clearance? 

 2: Why was the bike originally built with 173 arms? Is it a 
 standard/average size, better ground clearance, better fit for the average 
 user, toe-hitting-the-front-wheel, or another reason? 

 3: Is the 173 v. 178 difference so minimal that I won’t notice it? 

 As always, your experience, wisdom, advice, and opinions are 
 appreciated. Thanks, everyone. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Leah Peterson]

Laing, are you offering to perform this service for us helpless Listers? Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 13, 2023, at 3:03 PM, lconley  wrote:27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84: LaingOn Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and cursed the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so much easier with 27.2 posts !



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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Joyce! I'm glad you could get the proper setback with your Platy.

I'm now pondering the reamer + S84 combination... I sure wish they weren't 
so expensive!

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 3:27:57 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Yeah, Laing, the S84 is the ultimate! I have on on my Hillborne and quite 
> like it. My Hillborne is older and takes a 27.2
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 3:03:42 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> 27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84:
>>
>> [image: Seat Tube Reamer s.jpg] [image: B72side s.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and 
>>> cursed the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 
>>> 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any 
>>> more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of 
>>> a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
>>> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
>>> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
>>> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Eric Marth]

Yeah, Laing, the S84 is the ultimate! I have on on my Hillborne and quite 
like it. My Hillborne is older and takes a 27.2

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 3:03:42 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> 27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84:
>
> [image: Seat Tube Reamer s.jpg] [image: B72side s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and cursed 
>> the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 
>> 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any 
>> more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of 
>> a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
>> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
>> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
>> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[JAS]

Eric, I had a similar set-back problem with my Platypus.  Since I prefer 
Selle Anatomica saddles, I ordered a new one for Platy in the pretty light 
tan color only to discover that the new ones with aluminum rails have a 
shorter rail length than the steel rails.  I wanted to use my Nitto S-83 
seatpost and couldn't get the set-back I needed so after a chat with Grant 
regarding various seat post and saddle combinations, I returned it to SA 
for the original style (no badge).  A proper set-back was accomplished. 

Although my solution was the SA saddle, how your bike looks and feels to 
*you* is critical!  I hope you find a pleasing solution.  

Joyce

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:03:42 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> 27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84:
>
> [image: Seat Tube Reamer s.jpg] [image: B72side s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and cursed 
>> the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 
>> 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any 
>> more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of 
>> a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
>> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
>> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
>> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>>
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[RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139

[J Schwartz]

Thanks for these suggestions.  I hadn't heard of Pelago.   It certainly 
looks like it could do the trick on a budget.  
Yes the P racks seem perfect but they are even more than the Basket Rack. 
 I'm sure they are priced correctly just saying...same thing applies re: my 
original post.
I hadn't thought of the Obentu.  It's also small (8.25" square for a 13" x 
18" basket) but has 5-way attachment to the bike so that should help.
Think I'll give my R-14 a try first even though there's no diving board.
My intention is to be able to carry 2 grocery bags up front and/or farmers 
market hauls which can get heavy and a few miles so need to be smart about 
itwhich may mean just ponying up for the Basket Rack.

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 2:31:59 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: 164BB9A1-C5FD-4DD7-9E6A-865A52AD8E2A.jpeg]
> Pass & Stow always and forever
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:47:07 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>>
>> https://mementocycles.com/en/products/atlas-v3-stainless-raw
>>
>> handmade in canada - USD shipped is probably pretty reasonable[image: 
>> PXL_20220913_220339252.jpg]. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 6:00:20 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, that's the most gorgeous Clementine I've seen yet! Bravo. I like 
>>> the addition of the the cafe lock, too!
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:29:52 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 VO Porteur - $165.
 [image: IMG_1621LQ.JPG]

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL
 On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 8:29:38 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings
> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what 
> ppl are using for a rack.
> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and 
> I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with 
> spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it 
> is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see 
> what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people 
> have used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and 
> doesn't 
> have any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's 
> strong enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on 
> the 
> rear of the bike though.
> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
> thanks
> JS
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I just checked out the Ritchey 2 bolt post and was disappointed to see the 
two bolts are for extra retention, not adjustment. A two bolt seatpost, 
like the S83 or the Thompson, that uses the two bolts to adjust fore and 
aft angle are the only seatposts that should be able to be called 2 bolts. 
So the Ritchey gets a booo. Kalloys are fine posts for a great price, but 1 
bolt is sad for both retention and adjustability…

S83 por vida
-Kai


On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 25mm 
> of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any more 
> than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of a 
> new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Brian Turner]

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and cursed the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so much easier with 27.2 posts !



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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Garth]

FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 25mm 
of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any more 
than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of a 
new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
much easier with 27.2 posts !

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[Eric Marth]

I'm giving attendance some serious consideration and if I come up, I'll do 
the ATB route. 

Scott — I think the road route for the 2023 Fling is considered the bailout 
option. 

More on the routes here from the 2022 edition, which follows the same 
routes: https://ronsbikesblog.com/2022/04/03/2022-nutmeg-country-spring-fling/

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:00:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 
> miles, wondering if there are any bailouts?
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
>> route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need 
>> to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)
>>
>> Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I love 
>> that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max,
>>>
>>> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will 
>>> attempt the ATB route. 
>>>
>>> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam Hillborne 
>>> back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?

 I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
 actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.

 Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa on 
 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed 
 Bombadil 
 on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?

 Details here: 
 https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/

 Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks from 
 the group in person.

 Max 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv-ish bikes for sale, terms apply

[luckyturnip]

Good for you, Jay. I love seeing the bike advocacy groups earning much needed funds for their grassroots efforts through these kinds of higher value donations. On Apr 13, 2023, at 09:14, Jay Lonner  wrote:Some years ago I built up Surly Long Haul Truckers for my adolescent daughters. Those daughters are now adults, and these bikes are in need of a new home. The black bike measures 20” from the center of the crank to the center of the seat cluster, the green one 19”. The fork steerers are uncut.The builds are very Riv-ish. Sugino cranks, Deore rear derailers, VO Porteur bars, SunTour friction thumbshifters, Tektro Oryx brakes. One bike has XT hubs, the other XTR. Tubus Cargo rear racks fitted with Busch and Muller 4D Toplights, Nitto M12 front racks with baskets. Paul Gino light mounts on the forks.Now here’s the catch — even though a lot of these parts are valuable, I’m not really interested in holding out for top dollar. I’d rather see these bikes get used in support of some sort of cycling advocacy. There’s a local non-profit community bike shop where I could drop them off, no problem. But I also remember a time in my life when money was tight and I had young daughters that I wanted to introduce to biking. I’m wondering if any of you kindred spirits out there in Riv-land  meet that description, and might be interested in working out some sort of deal for picking up one or both of these bikes on the cheap. Professional bargain hunters and/or eBay resellers need not apply — I reserve the right to be choosy.Jay LonnerBellingham, WA



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[RBW] Riv-ish bikes for sale, terms apply

[Jay Lonner]

Some years ago I built up Surly Long Haul Truckers for my adolescent 
daughters. Those daughters are now adults, and these bikes are in need of a 
new home. The black bike measures 20” from the center of the crank to the 
center of the seat cluster, the green one 19”. The fork steerers are uncut.

The builds are very Riv-ish. Sugino cranks, Deore rear derailers, VO 
Porteur bars, SunTour friction thumbshifters, Tektro Oryx brakes. One bike 
has XT hubs, the other XTR. Tubus Cargo rear racks fitted with Busch and 
Muller 4D Toplights, Nitto M12 front racks with baskets. Paul Gino light 
mounts on the forks.

Now here’s the catch — even though a lot of these parts are valuable, I’m 
not really interested in holding out for top dollar. I’d rather see these 
bikes get used in support of some sort of cycling advocacy. There’s a local 
non-profit community bike shop where I could drop them off, no problem. But 
I also remember a time in my life when money was tight and I had young 
daughters that I wanted to introduce to biking. I’m wondering if any of you 
kindred spirits out there in Riv-land  meet that description, and might be 
interested in working out some sort of deal for picking up one or both of 
these bikes on the cheap. Professional bargain hunters and/or eBay 
resellers need not apply — I reserve the right to be choosy.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Eric, I’m so glad you started this thread. I went through the same odyssey 
a few years ago and tried the IRD seatpost and it slipped like crazy. Riv 
took it back and stopped selling it because it was a widespread problem. I 
want a bit more setback on my Platy so I’m going to take Liz’s 
recommendation.

Liz - thank you SO much! I was led to believe during my search that I was 
out of luck because most seatposts come in the-27-whatever size and not our 
uncommon 26.8. Can this seat post really work well at only $15?!? 

Much thanks,
Leah

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:42:42 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2023-04-12 at 10.40.34 PM.png]
>
> Hi all — I'm comparing 26.8 seatposts and their varying setback. I'd like 
> the saddle on my MB-2 to be further back. 
>
> Does anyone have any firsthand experience with how a Thompson and Nitto 
> S83 compare in terms of setback? I've been searching around and can't find 
> any definitive measurements. 
>
> I'm currently running a Suntour XC Pro seatpost and it looks like either 
> of the above will give me more setback than I currently have.  
>
> I've tried and very much did *not* like the IRD wayback seatpost, it 
> slips. Others have reported the same. Don't buy this seatpost! 
>
> The vintage SR MTE-100 is good, solid, I run one on my Appaloosa. Would 
> rather try something different. Plus, they're hard to find! 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Keith Paugh]

Nick - Hot tip! The price is right too. Thanks!k.On Apr 13, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:Garth, it's the whole overall look of an SA that I'm not down with. The badge makes it even worse. I have an older X-series saddle in black, no badge. I'll give it a try on the Bridgestone. On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 9:07:29 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:That's a bummer about the IRD post, there's nothing worse than a wonky post ! Yeah, a SA saddle sounds like it would work for you Eric. I looked at their saddles just now and noticed the aluminum framed versions don't have a badge on the back, the name is engraved in the frame in small subtle letters. Does that look better to you ?  



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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[greenteadrinkers]

I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 miles, 
wondering if there are any bailouts?

Scott

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
> route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need 
> to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)
>
> Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I love 
> that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...
>
> Max
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will attempt 
>> the ATB route. 
>>
>> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam Hillborne 
>> back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>>
>>
>> Charlie 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>>>
>>> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
>>> actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>>>
>>> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa on 
>>> 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed Bombadil 
>>> on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>>>
>>> Details here: 
>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>>>
>>> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks from 
>>> the group in person.
>>>
>>> Max 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: 54cm Gus Boots Willsen - Pick up NYC Only

[Ronald Halili]

 

Hello there!

Anyone in the NYC area (11229) with spendable cash looking to buy a 
complete build Gus Boots Willsen in size medium? I want to sell mine but I 
don’t want to ship. 

Near new condition with less than 15 total miles ridden. I spent a lot of 
time putting this together and finished building it late last year but 
rarely rode it. Looking to get back close to what I paid. I will also 
consider parting in groups. Price of individual parts and what I paid 
below. 

I am keeping the Widefoot bottle cages and accessories.

Best,

Ronald

[image: IMG_3291.JPG]https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7

Parts List:

Grand Total: $5643.10



Frameset:

$2339.75 USD

Frame/Fork/Headset: 54cm Orange



Wheelset:

Total = $814.16

Rims:

Velo Orange Voyager 650b/575mm 36h x2 

= $148.80

Front Hub: 

Schmidt SON28 Dynamo 36h - Black

= $283.17

Rear Hub:

Shimano Deore FH-T610 36h - Black

= $39.23

Tubeless Valves:

Peaty’s MK2 42mm - Bourbon

= $37.02

Tires:

Teravail Sparwood Durable 27.5 x 2.1” - Tan Wall x2

= $146.98

Spokes:

DT Swiss Competition Double Butted 2.0/1.8/2.0mm - Silver x72

= $117.58

Rim Tape:

Stan’s NoTubes 30mm

Tire Sealant:

Stan’s NoTubes 16oz

= $41.38



Drivetrain:

Total: $524.72

Rear Derailleur:

Shimano XT RD-M8000 11SP

= $64.94

Crankset:

Shimano FC-M8000-1 XT 175mm - Black

= $130.58

Chainring:

Wolf Tooth 96mm x 32t Drop-Stop A - Black

= $87.05

Cassette:

MicroShift H11 11-Speed, 11-42t - Black

= $52.91

Shifter:

MicroShift 11 Speed Bar End

$50.40 + $4.47 Tax

= $54.87

Bottom Bracket:

Shimano XT BB-MT800

= $24.99

Chain:

Shimano CN-HG701 11-Speed 126 Link - Silver

= $36.57

Pedals:

Blue Lug/MKS XC Bear Trap III - Black Body Silver Cage

= $72.81



Steering/Brakes/Seatpost

Total: $1055.14

Handlebar:

Nitto Choco B357AAF 54cm x 25.4mm - Silver

= $121.00

Stem:

Nitto MCR65 120mm - Silver

= $85.00

Seatpost:

Nitto S83 26.8mm - Silver

= $138.00

Stem Cap:

Nitto 1 1/8” - Silver

Spacers:

Nitto Steel - Polished 20mm x 3

Bar Tape:

Newbaum’s Cotton Cloth 10 Feet - Tan

= $63.99

Spacers:

Blue Lug Brass Headset Spacers- 2mm x2

$19.64

Saddle:

Brooks B67S - Chrome Springs/Honey

= $124.90

Grips:

ESI Grips Racer’s Edge Silicone - Black

= $21.76

Brakes:

Paul Motolite Linear Pull - Polished x2

= $321.16

Cable & Housing:

Jagwire Universal Sport Brake Cable Kit - Carbon Silver

Jagwire Sport Shift Cable Kit - Black

= $46.79

Brake Levers:

Interloc Racing Design Cafam-L - Silver

= $107.66 

Bar Tape:

Zefal Classic Cotton - Black

= $5.24 



Lights/Rack/Other

Total: $909.33

Lights:

Schmidt Edelux II Headlight - Black

Schmidt Dynamo Rack Light - Black

= $348.64

Rear Rack:

Nitto Big Back Rack Medium 32R - Nickel

= $216.94

Front Rack:

SimWorks by Nitto Obento - Nickel

Lamp Holder:

Nitto - Silver

= $238.87

Basket:

Wald 137 - Silver

= $30.90

Kickstand:

Pletscher Twin 320mm - Silver

= $73.98

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[maxcr]

Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need 
to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)

Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I love 
that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...

Max

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Max,
>
> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will attempt 
> the ATB route. 
>
> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam Hillborne 
> back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>
>
> Charlie 
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>>
>> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
>> actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>>
>> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa on 
>> 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed Bombadil 
>> on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>>
>> Details here: 
>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>>
>> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks from 
>> the group in person.
>>
>> Max 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[Charlie]

Hey Max,

I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will attempt 
the ATB route. 

Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam Hillborne 
back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!


Charlie 

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>
> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
> actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>
> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa on 
> 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed Bombadil 
> on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>
> Details here: 
> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>
> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks from the 
> group in person.
>
> Max 
>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Eric Marth]

Garth, it's the whole overall look of an SA that I'm not down with. The 
badge makes it even worse. I have an older X-series saddle in black, no 
badge. I'll give it a try on the Bridgestone. 

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 9:07:29 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> That's a bummer about the IRD post, there's nothing worse than a wonky 
> post ! 
>
> Yeah, a SA saddle sounds like it would work for you Eric. I looked at 
> their saddles just now and noticed the aluminum framed versions don't have 
> a badge on the back, the name is engraved in the frame in small subtle 
> letters. Does that look better to you ?  
>

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[RBW] Re: 173 v. 178 Crank Arms?

[Stephen]

My experience with crank length is that it is not very noticeable. I think 
I have the 173 silvers on my appaloosa, have 175's on my ram, and also have 
165's on another bike. I ride flat pedals all the time and tend to adjust 
my foot position slightly throughout rides, probably more noticeable 
clipped in. At this point I'd say I'm partial towards a shorter crank (I 
like the 165-170 range, personally I would'nt go above 175) to avoid more 
pedal strike, but it also depends a little on the bike. Shorter cranks 
raises your saddle a little, but again, its all very slight. I think I've 
even seen Will in a riv email say that crank length doesn't matter that 
much/don't overthink it..

for reference I'm around 6'2 with a 92ish pbh, I ride the 60cm Joe. 

-Stephen 

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:55:31 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Save your cash . 
>
> I'd ask why are you considering longer arms ?  
>
> My experience with longer cranks(up to 185mm) is that they didn't live up 
> to the promise the crank length theories based on leg dimensions claimed. 
> Theories are theories after all. The opposite way works for me. Foot 
> further forward of the axle and much shorter arms(150mm) works brilliant 
> for me. Ease of leg speed and leverage. I'm not alone in this discovery of 
> course, it's just that it doesn't fit into any of the en-vogue formulas, so 
> few bother to challenge it. 
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:55:02 AM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I'm 6' 1" give or take with a 89.5pbh. 've ridden 165-180mm cranks. My 
>> preference is typically 165-170. I like the pedal clearance and prefer 
>> higher cadence riding. I generally get used to whatever I am riding though. 
>> No science based or anatomical insight, but I feel like outside of marginal 
>> gains and maybe physiological anomalies ones body will adapt to whatever. 
>>
>> I wouldn't over think it. If you want some new cranks and got the cash, 
>> why not give it a try. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>
>>> I am considering switching my crank arms. My existing arms are 173; I’m 
>>> thinking about going to 178. Here are the existing specs: 
>>>
>>> Bike: Appaloosa 58cm with 700c wheels 
>>> PBH: 90.5 
>>> I’m 6’ tall and I have long legs. 
>>>
>>> Here are my questions: 
>>>
>>> 1: Will 178 arms work on my bike, or will I not have enough ground 
>>> clearance? 
>>>
>>> 2: Why was the bike originally built with 173 arms? Is it a 
>>> standard/average size, better ground clearance, better fit for the average 
>>> user, toe-hitting-the-front-wheel, or another reason? 
>>>
>>> 3: Is the 173 v. 178 difference so minimal that I won’t notice it? 
>>>
>>> As always, your experience, wisdom, advice, and opinions are 
>>> appreciated. Thanks, everyone. 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[lconley]

Great. I guess we have a couple of months to nail down the details.
Is this going to be more roadish or more off-roadish / gravel? I just want 
to make sure that I have the correct bicycle(s) assembled.

Laing

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi from Asheville,
> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders and 
> 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) that 
> have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for them, so 
> let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If anyone else 
> would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to answer any 
> questions if you're iffy or want more info.
> Cheers, 
> Gary
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better for 
>> me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am freed up 
>> after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize for 
>> these new dates!
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
>>> dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend of 
 May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be free 
 that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better for 
 more 
 people, then I may just be able to make that happen.

 On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi George,
> Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at 
> Bent Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike 
> path, and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North 
> Asheville. With plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food 
> during or after the rides.
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going 
>> over to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just 
>> curious.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
>>> before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a 
 May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest 
 in a 
 meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
 there's 
 enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
 for 
 whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
 Gary

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB / 27.2 nice quality seatpost in BLACK

[Melanie]

Brian - I have a black Thomson Elite setback for you. $85 shipped.

Melanie

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 9:37:32 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Max! Unfortunately all they have in stock is the 0 setback version, 
> not the one with the regular setback. I noticed that Analog also had one of 
> these in their secret sale, but it was only 0 offset as well.
>
> -B
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 9:29:14 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>> Not quite black, but super cool - 
>> https://www.sim.works/products/froggy-seatpost?variant=36497226662054 at 
>> $70 discounted Outlet Collection might be what you're looking for.
>> Max
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 7:07:37 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Working on some upgrades for my cargo bike and need a nice quality, 
>>> 2-bolt, 27.2 seatpost in BLACK in case anyone has something along these 
>>> lines that they would part with.
>>>
>>> Looking particularly for something like a Thomson (regular setback - NOT 
>>> the straight post variety), a Paul, a Nitto frog, or some other seatpost of 
>>> comparable high quality.
>>>
>>> I'm located in KY, and prefer to pay via Venmo for bike stuff. Thanks in 
>>> advance!
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Garth]

That's a bummer about the IRD post, there's nothing worse than a wonky post 
! 

Yeah, a SA saddle sounds like it would work for you Eric. I looked at their 
saddles just now and noticed the aluminum framed versions don't have a 
badge on the back, the name is engraved in the frame in small subtle 
letters. Does that look better to you ?  

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[RBW] Re: 173 v. 178 Crank Arms?

[Garth]

Save your cash . 

I'd ask why are you considering longer arms ?  

My experience with longer cranks(up to 185mm) is that they didn't live up 
to the promise the crank length theories based on leg dimensions claimed. 
Theories are theories after all. The opposite way works for me. Foot 
further forward of the axle and much shorter arms(150mm) works brilliant 
for me. Ease of leg speed and leverage. I'm not alone in this discovery of 
course, it's just that it doesn't fit into any of the en-vogue formulas, so 
few bother to challenge it. 

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:55:02 AM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I'm 6' 1" give or take with a 89.5pbh. 've ridden 165-180mm cranks. My 
> preference is typically 165-170. I like the pedal clearance and prefer 
> higher cadence riding. I generally get used to whatever I am riding though. 
> No science based or anatomical insight, but I feel like outside of marginal 
> gains and maybe physiological anomalies ones body will adapt to whatever. 
>
> I wouldn't over think it. If you want some new cranks and got the cash, 
> why not give it a try. 
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, 
>>
>> I am considering switching my crank arms. My existing arms are 173; I’m 
>> thinking about going to 178. Here are the existing specs: 
>>
>> Bike: Appaloosa 58cm with 700c wheels 
>> PBH: 90.5 
>> I’m 6’ tall and I have long legs. 
>>
>> Here are my questions: 
>>
>> 1: Will 178 arms work on my bike, or will I not have enough ground 
>> clearance? 
>>
>> 2: Why was the bike originally built with 173 arms? Is it a 
>> standard/average size, better ground clearance, better fit for the average 
>> user, toe-hitting-the-front-wheel, or another reason? 
>>
>> 3: Is the 173 v. 178 difference so minimal that I won’t notice it? 
>>
>> As always, your experience, wisdom, advice, and opinions are appreciated. 
>> Thanks, everyone. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Garth. Yeah, that saddle is all the way back in the picture! 
Believe it or not. 

I appreciate the specs here on individual setbacks, awesome! I've thought 
about swapping out the saddle altogether, that's a logical workaround. I 
have a Selle Anatomica with the long rails. Very comfy but I just don't 
like the way they look! I understand that's illogical to some. And the new 
SA saddles have that huge, chintzy metallic plastic badges at the back. 

I haven't tried friction paste but I'm not trying another IRD post. When I 
had trouble I talked to both Will at Rivendell and Jim Porter at Merry 
Sales/Soma/IRD over the phone about my trouble. No issues getting it 
returned. With others having the same slippage problems I'm done fooling 
with them. 

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:41:47 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Just should add that the Suntour XC Pro and Superbe seatposts are so nice. 
> If you have a chance to run one I recommend it. You can adjust the clamp 
> and saddle tilt independently with two separate bolts. Requires less 
> finesse than other posts. 
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:19:44 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Jay — Thanks for the link! Some good suggestions there. 
>>
>> Nick — Thanks for the S83 intel. I have one in my parts bin and held it 
>> up side by side and you're right! I'll check out the Kalloy, I must admit I 
>> was looking past them in my searches. 
>>
>> Liz — As always, coming through for me! Liz, you have given me the most 
>> practical, real-world help of anyone on this forum! Thanks, looks like the 
>> price makes the barrier to experimenting pretty low. 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 7:05:16 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for the Kalloy Uno 602.  Nothing glamorous, but they just work! (and 
>>> they come in silver...)
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 5:33:57 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 Can't say anything about the Thompson post, but I have both the XC Pro 
 and S83, and the setback is the same on both within a millimetre or two 
 (that's to the front of the saddle rail clamp, which is what determines 
 how 
 far back you can set the saddle).

 Some of the Kalloy UNO posts look to have a fair amount of setback, and 
 come in 26.8. e.g.

 https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-uno-602-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver

 https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-sp-359-micro-top-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver

 Nick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Eric Marth]

Just should add that the Suntour XC Pro and Superbe seatposts are so nice. 
If you have a chance to run one I recommend it. You can adjust the clamp 
and saddle tilt independently with two separate bolts. Requires less 
finesse than other posts. 

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:19:44 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Jay — Thanks for the link! Some good suggestions there. 
>
> Nick — Thanks for the S83 intel. I have one in my parts bin and held it up 
> side by side and you're right! I'll check out the Kalloy, I must admit I 
> was looking past them in my searches. 
>
> Liz — As always, coming through for me! Liz, you have given me the most 
> practical, real-world help of anyone on this forum! Thanks, looks like the 
> price makes the barrier to experimenting pretty low. 
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 7:05:16 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>
>> +1 for the Kalloy Uno 602.  Nothing glamorous, but they just work! (and 
>> they come in silver...)
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 5:33:57 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> Can't say anything about the Thompson post, but I have both the XC Pro 
>>> and S83, and the setback is the same on both within a millimetre or two 
>>> (that's to the front of the saddle rail clamp, which is what determines how 
>>> far back you can set the saddle).
>>>
>>> Some of the Kalloy UNO posts look to have a fair amount of setback, and 
>>> come in 26.8. e.g.
>>>
>>> https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-uno-602-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
>>>
>>> https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-sp-359-micro-top-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Garth]

If that photo Eric is of the bike in question, well sheesh, that saddle 
. it's already so far forward in the seatpost !  MB-2's have a minimum 
of a 73d STA, so that only adds to the forward position in relation to the 
BB. A Brooks saddle with it's limited rails + the steeper 73d STA angle = 
you're hamstrung from the beginning in your ability to move the saddle back 
enough relative to the BB. I forget the Trig formula but 1d of STA is 
substantial in terms of saddle height fore-aft position relative to the BB, 
somewhere in the range 10-15mm I think, depending on saddle height. The SR 
setback post is a way to get back further, though not necessarily enough to 
compensate for the basic design limitations of frame and saddle. A saddle 
with longer rails could account for 15-20mm of setback alone though.  

For reference, a Ritchey Comp 2-bolt 26.8 post(sold in Europe) for example, 
has 25mm of setback. A Nitto S-83 has 23mm, an SP-72 Jaguar 25mm. Your 
average Kalloy post has 20-24mm, though their clamps are often small 
fore-aft relative to high quality posts.  Thomson bent posts offer a meager 
16mm. The Suntour posts were usually 23mm-ish, give or take. Hardly worth 
buying a new post for a few mm's.  In the absence of a wayback post, you're 
better off changing the saddle to something with much longer rails for that 
frame, if you're not deathly attached to a Brooks. If you are, then you'll 
need very long setback post like the SR, or if you have slippery a IRD post 
on hand, heck, try some anti-friction paste inside the serrations. Has 
anyone who had them slip contact IRD or even Riv about it ? They can't all 
be wonky all the time for everybody. 

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Eric Marth]

Jay — Thanks for the link! Some good suggestions there. 

Nick — Thanks for the S83 intel. I have one in my parts bin and held it up 
side by side and you're right! I'll check out the Kalloy, I must admit I 
was looking past them in my searches. 

Liz — As always, coming through for me! Liz, you have given me the most 
practical, real-world help of anyone on this forum! Thanks, looks like the 
price makes the barrier to experimenting pretty low. 

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 7:05:16 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> +1 for the Kalloy Uno 602.  Nothing glamorous, but they just work! (and 
> they come in silver...)
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 5:33:57 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Can't say anything about the Thompson post, but I have both the XC Pro 
>> and S83, and the setback is the same on both within a millimetre or two 
>> (that's to the front of the saddle rail clamp, which is what determines how 
>> far back you can set the saddle).
>>
>> Some of the Kalloy UNO posts look to have a fair amount of setback, and 
>> come in 26.8. e.g.
>>
>> https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-uno-602-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
>>
>> https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-sp-359-micro-top-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

+1 for the Kalloy Uno 602.  Nothing glamorous, but they just work! (and 
they come in silver...)

Liz
Washington, DC

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 5:33:57 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> Can't say anything about the Thompson post, but I have both the XC Pro and 
> S83, and the setback is the same on both within a millimetre or two (that's 
> to the front of the saddle rail clamp, which is what determines how far 
> back you can set the saddle).
>
> Some of the Kalloy UNO posts look to have a fair amount of setback, and 
> come in 26.8. e.g.
>
> https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-uno-602-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
>
> https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-sp-359-micro-top-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Nick Payne]

Can't say anything about the Thompson post, but I have both the XC Pro and 
S83, and the setback is the same on both within a millimetre or two (that's 
to the front of the saddle rail clamp, which is what determines how far 
back you can set the saddle).

Some of the Kalloy UNO posts look to have a fair amount of setback, and 
come in 26.8. e.g.

https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-uno-602-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-sp-359-micro-top-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver

Nick

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