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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

Thanks, Brian and Joe! Everything I do scares me now. It’s my new thing. Keeps me humble and makes for some funny chitchat here.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 16, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Piaw Na wrote:When Grant Petersen was visiting the south bay, we went on a ride with him organized by the Bicycle Outfitter. My girlfriend and I was on a tandem, and of course we weren't keeping up. So he rode up to us and started pushing us with his hand on my girlfriend's back. Then Mark rode up and started helping by pushing on Grant's back. They're amazing bike handlers (as well as very strong).On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:37 PM Leah Peterson wrote:Doug, I laughed out loud. The guy pushing you!  It’s so humbling, right? We need to organize a Clem ride, which is where we’d be right at home. We’d call it a Clems With Nothing To Prove Ride. The terror of trying and failing to keep up at high speeds would be but a distant memory.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 16, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Doug H. wrote:I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up but could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort not to drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My heart and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another day, on a steep incline a racer friend of mine told me not to get below 10 mph on the hill (seemed arbitrary to me...) but I could not manage to keep that speed. He actually PUSHED me with one hand to keep me up to speed when I slowed and to this day I am amazed he was pedaling his weight and some of mine!!I am faster and find hills easier to climb on my 20 pound Wabi Thunder than on my Clem. The Clem is more comfortable and would be the bike I would keep if I could only have one.DougOn Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone. But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles" Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)4 years ago I did several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76" gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out the 76" gear much of the way home.On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee wrote:Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.Brian

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

2023-05-16 Thread 藍俊彪

When Grant Petersen was visiting the south bay, we went on a ride with him
organized by the Bicycle Outfitter. My girlfriend and I was on a tandem,
and of course we weren't keeping up. So he rode up to us and started
pushing us with his hand on my girlfriend's back. Then Mark rode up and
started helping by pushing on Grant's back. They're amazing bike handlers
(as well as very strong).

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:37 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Doug, I laughed out loud. The guy pushing you!  It’s so humbling, right?
> We need to organize a Clem ride, which is where we’d be right at home. We’d
> call it a Clems With Nothing To Prove Ride.
>
> The terror of trying and failing to keep up at high speeds would be but a
> distant memory.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up
> but could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort
> not to drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My
> heart and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another
> day, on a steep incline a racer friend of mine told me not to get below 10
> mph on the hill (seemed arbitrary to me...) but I could not manage to keep
> that speed. He actually PUSHED me with one hand to keep me up to speed when
> I slowed and to this day I am amazed he was pedaling his weight and some of
> mine!!
>
> I am faster and find hills easier to climb on my 20 pound Wabi Thunder
> than on my Clem. The Clem is more comfortable and would be the bike I would
> keep if I could only have one.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar
>> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon
>> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone.
>>
>> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely
>> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles"
>> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead
>> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me
>> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>>
>> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia
>> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of
>> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in
>> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and
>> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76"
>> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the
>> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a
>> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very
>> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>>
>> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out
>> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>>
>> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Phil Rivy hub axle OLD 130->126->120 respacing

2023-05-16 Thread Junes

Yeah, talk to Dustin in the Phil Wood service department. He’s super helpful. I think the general rule is that if the hub is more than about 12 or 15 years old, you’d have to send it in for service because the older designs are not user serviceable. If it’s less, you might be able to service it yourself — if the parts are available. They don’t machine all their parts in house anymore, if they ever did. They have recently been facing supply constraints for various hub components manufactured by third party suppliers. Either way be prepared to part with $$$. Good luck. Do keep us posted. On May 16, 2023, at 13:45, lconley wrote:This was three months ago.LaingOn Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:44:02 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:Call them up or email them. They had the parts to turn the the ancient 48H 107 OLD(?) SF hub in the picture into a 135 OLD and new bearings for it, but I had to send it in. I did the 130 to 135 OLD Touring hub myself.LaingOn Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:07:25 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:Seeing that the Rivvy hub was of the last iteration of their freewheel hubs you ought to be able to do it yourself. Both of my touring rear hubs, from '99 and 2011 have the field serviceable axle(FSA), that's easy to dismantle. Whether or not they have the parts, that's another story. They ought to, or be able to make them, they're a machine shop, right ? Or so I thought. When PW ditched the FW hubs they also deleted all the service information about them from their website, not very nice.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

Doug, I laughed out loud. The guy pushing you!  It’s so humbling, right? We need to organize a Clem ride, which is where we’d be right at home. We’d call it a Clems With Nothing To Prove Ride. The terror of trying and failing to keep up at high speeds would be but a distant memory.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 16, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Doug H. wrote:I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up but could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort not to drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My heart and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another day, on a steep incline a racer friend of mine told me not to get below 10 mph on the hill (seemed arbitrary to me...) but I could not manage to keep that speed. He actually PUSHED me with one hand to keep me up to speed when I slowed and to this day I am amazed he was pedaling his weight and some of mine!!I am faster and find hills easier to climb on my 20 pound Wabi Thunder than on my Clem. The Clem is more comfortable and would be the bike I would keep if I could only have one.DougOn Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone. But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles" Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)4 years ago I did several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76" gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out the 76" gear much of the way home.On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee wrote:Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.Brian

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

What about a Platypus with aero bars? Worked for Greg LeMond. In a color to
match that lovely -- mauve purple? I'm slightly color blind in the red
spectrum (but I still insist that it's lovely).

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:31 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> I would also like to see a video of my suffering. And handlebar streamers
> and white basket will be forthcoming.
>
> I wondered why I wasn’t faster in the downhill, too. I’m thinking it’s
> because though my bike is heavier, my bodyweight is less than theirs. I’m
> hard for the women to keep up with on the downhills…
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar
> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon
> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone.
>
> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely
> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles"
> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead
> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me
> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>
> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia
> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of
> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in
> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and
> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76"
> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the
> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a
> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very
> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>
> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out
> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

2023-05-16 Thread 藍俊彪

Weight is secondary to aerodynamics. At 15mph, more than half the energy
goes into overcoming air resistance, and that goes up with the cube of the
speed from there.

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:31 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> I would also like to see a video of my suffering. And handlebar streamers
> and white basket will be forthcoming.
>
> I wondered why I wasn’t faster in the downhill, too. I’m thinking it’s
> because though my bike is heavier, my bodyweight is less than theirs. I’m
> hard for the women to keep up with on the downhills…
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar
> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon
> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone.
>
> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely
> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles"
> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead
> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me
> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>
> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia
> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of
> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in
> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and
> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76"
> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the
> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a
> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very
> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>
> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out
> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>>
>> Brian
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I would also like to see a video of my suffering. And handlebar streamers and white basket will be forthcoming. I wondered why I wasn’t faster in the downhill, too. I’m thinking it’s because though my bike is heavier, my bodyweight is less than theirs. I’m hard for the women to keep up with on the downhills…Sent from my iPhoneOn May 16, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone. But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles" Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)4 years ago I did several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76" gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out the 76" gear much of the way home.On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee wrote:Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.Brian

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[RBW] ISO of used but decent pair of cycling gloves, size Large.

I haven't worn gloves since about 2000, and my hands are fine for up to
about 30 miles, but over that and I feel as if I want som light padding.

Since I so rarely ride over 30 miles, I wonder if anyone has a used, cheap,
but still usable pair of Size Large cycling gloves without to much padding.

Actually, help me with sizing, too. I just measured the circumference of my
dominant, right hand just below the knuckles and with the tape rather loose
I get about 8 1/4", which seems to be on the cusp of M and L. Since gloves
stretch, and used ones will be already stretched, ought I to seek a Medium
pair?

Just looked and saw that Riv GOAT gloves are only $25; but if anyone has
something even cheaper that is:

M or L (see above);
Only lightly padded;
Relatively clean and whole;
Cheap;

I would be grateful to hear about it.

Tell you what: Will trade some Wellgo 3-bolt-to-SPD-cleat adapters for
yours, per earlier thread on the Boblist.

Thanks.

Patrick Moore, who also has 3 nice pairs of wool cycling shorts of which 2
have real chamois.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

2023-05-16 Thread Doug H.

I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up but 
could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort not to 
drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My heart 
and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another day, 
on a steep incline a racer friend of mine told me not to get below 10 mph 
on the hill (seemed arbitrary to me...) but I could not manage to keep that 
speed. He actually PUSHED me with one hand to keep me up to speed when I 
slowed and to this day I am amazed he was pedaling his weight and some of 
mine!!

I am faster and find hills easier to climb on my 20 pound Wabi Thunder than 
on my Clem. The Clem is more comfortable and would be the bike I would keep 
if I could only have one.
Doug

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar 
> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon 
> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone. 
>
> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely 
> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles" 
> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead 
> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me 
> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>
> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia 
> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of 
> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in 
> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and 
> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76" 
> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the 
> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a 
> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very 
> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>
> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out 
> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Tumbleweed Persuader Bars, what stem length did you settle on?

2023-05-16 Thread Jacob Byard

If you go to whatbars.com you can pick both the Jones and Persuaders and see how that compare. That may help with determining stem length. I ran the same stem on both bars. 110mm on one bike and 90mm (maybe 100mm?) on another. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn May 16, 2023, at 2:17 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:  My Jones bars turned out to have more backward sweep than my wrists felt comfortable with, so I ordered some Persuader bars to try out on my Hunqapillar.   I know everyone one's anatomies & riding styles are different, but was curious what stem lengths Persuader bar users tried out and / or settled on?Thanx,John Phillips



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Re: [RBW] Tumbleweed Persuader Bars, what stem length did you settle on?

2023-05-16 Thread Brian Turner

I recently put a set of Soma Dream Risers (50mm rise) on my cargo bike, and they are nearly identical to the Persuader bars in every way (plus, cheaper!). I’m using them with a 100mm stem, but I think I might swap out to a 90mm.On May 16, 2023, at 2:17 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:  My Jones bars turned out to have more backward sweep than my wrists felt comfortable with, so I ordered some Persuader bars to try out on my Hunqapillar.   I know everyone one's anatomies & riding styles are different, but was curious what stem lengths Persuader bar users tried out and / or settled on?Thanx,John Phillips



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[RBW] Re: Tumbleweed Persuader Bars, what stem length did you settle on?

2023-05-16 Thread Brian Forsee

I've used these bars a good amount. First on my single speed mtb and now on 
my omnium cargo bike. On the mtb I used a 50. Currently am running a 90mm 
on the cargo as the top tube is on the short-ish side, however i am 
considering either a bar with even more swoop or brining them stem into 
maybe a 70mm.

Brian

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:17:00 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:

>   My Jones bars turned out to have more backward sweep than my wrists felt 
> comfortable with, so I ordered some Persuader bars to try out on my 
> Hunqapillar.
>
>I know everyone one's anatomies & riding styles are different, but was 
> curious what stem lengths Persuader bar users tried out and / or settled on?
>
> Thanx,
> John Phillips
>

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[RBW] Tumbleweed Persuader Bars, what stem length did you settle on?

2023-05-16 Thread 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch

  My Jones bars turned out to have more backward sweep than my wrists felt 
comfortable with, so I ordered some Persuader bars to try out on my 
Hunqapillar.

   I know everyone one's anatomies & riding styles are different, but was 
curious what stem lengths Persuader bar users tried out and / or settled on?

Thanx,
John Phillips

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[RBW] Re: Phil Rivy hub axle OLD 130->126->120 respacing

This was three months ago.

Laing

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:44:02 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Call them up or email them. They had the parts to turn the the ancient 48H 
> 107 OLD(?) SF hub in the picture into a 135 OLD and new bearings for it, 
> but I had to send it in. I did the 130 to 135 OLD Touring hub myself.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:07:25 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Seeing that the Rivvy hub was of the last iteration of their freewheel 
>> hubs you ought to be able to do it yourself. Both of my touring rear hubs, 
>> from '99 and 2011 have the field serviceable axle(FSA), that's easy to 
>> dismantle. 
>>
>> Whether or not they have the parts, that's another story. They ought to, 
>> or be able to make them, they're a machine shop, right ? Or so I thought. 
>> When PW ditched the FW hubs they also deleted all the service information 
>> about them from their website, not very nice.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Phil Rivy hub axle OLD 130->126->120 respacing

Call them up or email them. They had the parts to turn the the ancient 48H 
107 OLD(?) SF hub in the picture into a 135 OLD and new bearings for it, 
but I had to send it in. I did the 130 to 135 OLD Touring hub myself.

Laing

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:07:25 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Seeing that the Rivvy hub was of the last iteration of their freewheel 
> hubs you ought to be able to do it yourself. Both of my touring rear hubs, 
> from '99 and 2011 have the field serviceable axle(FSA), that's easy to 
> dismantle. 
>
> Whether or not they have the parts, that's another story. They ought to, 
> or be able to make them, they're a machine shop, right ? Or so I thought. 
> When PW ditched the FW hubs they also deleted all the service information 
> about them from their website, not very nice.
>

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[RBW] Re: Phil Rivy hub axle OLD 130->126->120 respacing

2023-05-16 Thread Garth

Seeing that the Rivvy hub was of the last iteration of their freewheel hubs 
you ought to be able to do it yourself. Both of my touring rear hubs, from 
'99 and 2011 have the field serviceable axle(FSA), that's easy to 
dismantle. 

Whether or not they have the parts, that's another story. They ought to, or 
be able to make them, they're a machine shop, right ? Or so I thought. When 
PW ditched the FW hubs they also deleted all the service information about 
them from their website, not very nice.

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[RBW] Re: Phil Rivy hub axle OLD 130->126->120 respacing

Note also that you can change the freewheel side as well. Both of the hubs 
in the picture are 7 speed. You can get 5 thru 8 as I recall. I think 5 
speed is what you use for a single speed setup.

Laing

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:45:01 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> The touring hubs used all the same spoke lengths - on the rear hub, the 
> freewheel side had a smaller flange than the non freewheel side to 
> accomplish this. Not all Phil Wood freewheel hubs are touring hubs.,
> Yes, you can get the spacers for whatever hub width that you want, BUT you 
> may have to send the hub to Phil Wood to accomplish it. Some are user 
> serviceable and some are not. I have done it both ways depending on the 
> model of hub.  
> Small flange 48H on the left - used different spoke lengths. Touring 36H 
> on the right - uses the same spoke lengths - note the larger flange on the 
> non freewheel side..
>
> [image: Phil Wood rear s.png]
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:28:12 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Question for those who might know... 
>> I've got a Phil hubbed wheelset, the rear uses what I believe is a Rivy 
>> hub, freewheel version. I could be mis-remembering, but I believe the idea 
>> was to use flanges and spacing that basically make front and rear use the 
>> same length spokes. At any rate, the rear hub is spaced for 130 mm 
>> over-locknut dimension. I'm shoving it into a frame that uses a narrower 
>> spacing, say 126 (although 120 may be it). 
>> Can I get a different axle or axle end caps to accomplish this? 
>> TIA, 
>>
>> - Max "obsolete by the time I get out of bed" in A2
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Phil Rivy hub axle OLD 130->126->120 respacing

2023-05-16 Thread Greg J

I did this on an older Phil FW hub.  You can buy a shorter axle end piece 
on the FW side, but there are differences over the years, so you should 
contact Phil directly and get the one that fits that model.  Then you'll 
have to re-dish the wheel.

Greg

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:28:12 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> Question for those who might know... 
> I've got a Phil hubbed wheelset, the rear uses what I believe is a Rivy 
> hub, freewheel version. I could be mis-remembering, but I believe the idea 
> was to use flanges and spacing that basically make front and rear use the 
> same length spokes. At any rate, the rear hub is spaced for 130 mm 
> over-locknut dimension. I'm shoving it into a frame that uses a narrower 
> spacing, say 126 (although 120 may be it). 
> Can I get a different axle or axle end caps to accomplish this? 
> TIA, 
>
> - Max "obsolete by the time I get out of bed" in A2
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar
streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon
fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone.

But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely early
50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles"
Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead
because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me
#1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)

4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia
labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of
years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in
3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and
rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76"
gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the
last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a
headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very
kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.

But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out the
76" gear much of the way home.

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:

> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>
> Brian
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

2023-05-16 Thread Joe Bernard

"Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone." 

Haha, from what I've seen over the years getting out of the comfort zone is 
Leah's comfort zone 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:18:00 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>
> Brian
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:57:11 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> And climbing, at least the steeper hills. At least, I find a very 
>> noticeable difference in ease of climbing on my lightest bike (18 lb, 76” 
>> gear) and my heaviest with road tires — tires that roll as well as those on 
>> the lightest bike (32 lb, derailleur gears). 
>>
>> But with good tires and an aero tuck, with the weight of the Platypus you 
>> should outcoast many others downhill. 
>>
>> Patrick Moore 
>>
>> > On May 16, 2023, at 7:48 AM, DavidP  wrote: … As to 
>> the difference between the Platypus and a lighter road bike - with riding 
>> position accounted for above, it's mostly in acceleration. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Phil Rivy hub axle OLD 130->126->120 respacing

2023-05-16 Thread Max S

Question for those who might know... 
I've got a Phil hubbed wheelset, the rear uses what I believe is a Rivy 
hub, freewheel version. I could be mis-remembering, but I believe the idea 
was to use flanges and spacing that basically make front and rear use the 
same length spokes. At any rate, the rear hub is spaced for 130 mm 
over-locknut dimension. I'm shoving it into a frame that uses a narrower 
spacing, say 126 (although 120 may be it). 
Can I get a different axle or axle end caps to accomplish this? 
TIA, 

- Max "obsolete by the time I get out of bed" in A2

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

2023-05-16 Thread Brian Forsee

Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.

Brian

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:57:11 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And climbing, at least the steeper hills. At least, I find a very 
> noticeable difference in ease of climbing on my lightest bike (18 lb, 76” 
> gear) and my heaviest with road tires — tires that roll as well as those on 
> the lightest bike (32 lb, derailleur gears).
>
> But with good tires and an aero tuck, with the weight of the Platypus you 
> should outcoast many others downhill.
>
> Patrick Moore
>
> > On May 16, 2023, at 7:48 AM, DavidP  wrote: … As to 
> the difference between the Platypus and a lighter road bike - with riding 
> position accounted for above, it's mostly in acceleration.
>

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Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

2023-05-16 Thread Chris L

The Hunqapillar does have a certain forbidden fruit mystique.  I don't 
think I've heard any other Riv model mentioned as often in the context of 
wishing it would come back.   

For me, the ultimate Riv would have been a 54 or 55 cm, 650b, single 
top-tube Bombadil.  I remember the 52 would have been my size, and too 
small, and the next largest size was way too big, and probably 700c, to 
boot.  I still may 650b my 54 Hunqapillar some day.  I'm guessing it 
wouldn't be hard to mostly hide disk brake tabs in elephant gray paint.

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:03:24 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> *If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version 
> would just be an Appaloosa.*
>
> this is what i tell myself all the time. always wanted a hunq, but ended 
> up with an appa. i used to hate the long chain stays and i still *prefer *the 
> hunq, but I i really like my appaloosa.
>
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:39:49 PM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>
>> RBW have stated at least once that the Hunqapillar will come back, but in 
>> a different form.  I hope that's what is coming in October.  
>>
>> If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version 
>> would just be an Appaloosa.  Other than longer chainstays and probably 
>> heavier tubes, the Appaloosa is very, very similar to the old Hunqapillar, 
>> at least in the mid-sizes (ie, 54 Hunq, 55 Appaloosa).   I would love to 
>> ride my 54 Hunqapillar and the closest to the same size Appaloosa, back to 
>> back, to see how much difference the longer chainstays make.  
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 7:27:36 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Two biggest differences (in my opinion) between a Clem L and either a 
>>> Gus or Susie; the latter are not step through frames & they both have a 
>>> significantly higher bottom bracket than the Clem. I think the Clem is 
>>> accurately described as a “Hillibike”. Gus & Susie are legit mountain 
>>> bikes. Love them both!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2023, at 8:10 PM, ssimarsawhney  wrote:
>>>
>>> My guess would have been 1in threaded with thicker tubing, which feels 
>>> like a clem. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone speak a bit more about the differences between the two? 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:44:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I don't think anyone said Susie and Clem are alike, we said Clem L 
 covers the same territory. Gus is more specifically its own thing, there's 
 no other Riv in the category. 

 On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:59:28 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Owning both a Susie and a Clem, I do agree with Garth that they are 
> almost nothing alike.  On the other hand, I guess I don't see as much 
> distinction between the Susie and the Gus as some do, and think of them 
> as 
> interchangeable.  Just slightly clunkier and stiffer tubing on one.  
> Assuming it will still have the not-quite-step-through swoopy top tube 
> and 
> that lugs could be shared with Charlie, it would be hard  to Imagine 
> Rivendell having a new set made for 1 1/8" threadless headtubes and 
> larger 
> diameter downtubes, but who knows.  It sounds like the scare of losing a 
> lug supplier has receded for now, too.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:24:58 PM UTC-6 Andrew Letton wrote:
>
>> The one feature that I see the Gus/Susie just begging for is a set of 
>> triple bottle bosses on the *rear* side of the seat tube. With those 
>> long chainstays, it seems the perfect place for another big (1 - 2 
>> liter) 
>> waterbottle for those of us in hot, dry locations.
>> cheers,
>> Andrew in Sydney
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 02:35:56 AM GMT+10, Brian Turner <
>> brok...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know anything specific about this new Hillibike iteration 
>> scheduled for October? Care to make any speculations or predictions? 
>> According to the latest Riv IG post, it only says "lugged, green and 
>> dark 
>> gold".
>>
>> My main questions are:
>> Will it have a straight top tube like the Platy / Roscoe Bubbe, or 
>> the nice graceful swoopy one like Gus / Susie / Charlie?
>>
>> 1" threaded or 1-1/8" threadless (like Gus)?
>>
>> Heavier tubing (like Gus), or lighter duty (like Susie)?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

And climbing, at least the steeper hills. At least, I find a very noticeable 
difference in ease of climbing on my lightest bike (18 lb, 76” gear) and my 
heaviest with road tires — tires that roll as well as those on the lightest 
bike (32 lb, derailleur gears).

But with good tires and an aero tuck, with the weight of the Platypus you 
should outcoast many others downhill.

Patrick Moore

> On May 16, 2023, at 7:48 AM, DavidP  wrote: … As to the 
> difference between the Platypus and a lighter road bike - with riding 
> position accounted for above, it's mostly in acceleration.

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[RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

2023-05-16 Thread Piaw Na

I once rode the Cheviot with the bike club when my wife and kids refused to 
keep riding after the lunch stop. I was surprised that I was fast enough to 
keep up with the fast riders. If you want to go fast, there are a few 
things that the Cheviot does that makes it harder: 

   1. If you're not using drop bars, the air resistance on the flats makes 
   it quite a bit more effort at anything about 13mph. You can tuck but the 
   position isn't as comfortable.
   2. The Cheviot/Platypus aren't great for standing up on climbs. The bike 
   really wants you to sit and spin. That means you have to have gears 
   suitable for doing so. 
   3. Clipless pedals make a big difference for sitting and spinning on 
   climbs.
   4. The Cheviot was heavier than other bikes, but those extra pounds 
   mattered surprisingly little.

Having said all that I definitely still prefer the Roadini with drop bars 
for going fast and hard. Being able tuck definitely lets you go fast 
downhill without pedaling!

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 6:47:59 AM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> Leah, I'm impressed by how you have found ways to make the Platypus work 
> on fast group rides - even if it is a bit more work. Your observation about 
> momentum is apt and the way you've adjusted to maintain it is great.
>
> Julian's point about the riding position is valid and your Billie bars 
> allow for a range of back angles by gripping the bar at different points so 
> you don't need to be an upright sail.  If you are not currently using 
> multiple hand positions on your bars that's a good place to start.  As 
> you've seen, there's a point on downhills where staying upright and 
> pedaling is slower than tucking in and coasting. 
>
> I have roadish bikes with Albatross bars and find griping the bar ahead of 
> the brake lever to be similar to riding on the hoods of a drop bar, while 
> gripping further into the bends/hooks and bending my elbows a bit more gets 
> me to a position similar to riding in the drops. Like Laing said you can 
> also try narrowing your grip even more toward the stem and bending even 
> lower for an actual aero tuck. You'll need to be cautious about how close 
> you are to other riders as your hands will be away from the brakes, but 
> this is no different from an aero tuck on a drop bar (where the hands are 
> moved in close to the stem).
>
> It's also very easy to adjust your stem height to try a slightly lower bar 
> position, but I would suggest becoming comfortable using the full range of 
> your handlebar positions to be worthwhile in any case.
>
> As to the difference between the Platypus and a lighter road bike - with 
> riding position accounted for above, it's mostly in acceleration. You 
> wouldn't need to worry as much about momentum because it'd be easier to get 
> back up to speed; but in any case momentum is a good thing and saves you 
> work.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:37:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> The answer is yes, but not recently. The upcoming North Carolina Riv Ride 
>> will be a challenge - no hills to practice on in south Florida.
>>
>> Note that you can still do an aero tuck even on a flat bar Platypus - its 
>> is kind of awkward, your hands are sort of beside your shoulders, or you 
>> can put your hands near the stem under your chest, but it beats pedaling 
>> downhill. You might have to put your water bottle in a frame mounted cage 
>> though.
>>
>> You don't need a Roadini - a naked drop bar platypus would work just 
>> fine. Although a sparkly raspberry Rodeo...
>>
>> You can never have too many Rivendells.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:13:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just want to talk bikes. I don’t have anything to post FS or WTB…I 
>>> just want to tell Riv people this dumb story that happened this morning. 
>>> You can laugh or you can roll your eyes, or you can chime in with your own 
>>> dumb story of getting in over your own dumb heads.
>>>
>>> This is my second season of club riding. I was new to it last year, and 
>>> now that our weather is finally cooperating, I’m back.
>>>
>>> Last week, our bike club started a new ride. It would be on Monday 
>>> mornings and only 5 miles from my house. The pace was to be 
>>> “conversational” which I took to mean ‘riding at a pace you can still have 
>>> a conversation at.’ (I now know that could not be what it meant.) The route 
>>> would be new. The details were fuzzy - word was, the ride leader would make 
>>> decisions about pace and miles once people arrived. Now, I know Platypuses 
>>> are not going to fare well in the 18-21 mph crowd, but I knew that two 
>>> women upwards of 70 did this ride last week. I figured I’d be fine.
>>>
>>> I was the second to arrive; the first being the president of our bike 
>>> club. He was pulling his gravel bike out of his truck. He’s a roadie and he 
>>> leads the 17-18 mph groups. Hmmm.  We’re friendly; I’m glad to know one 
>>> person on

[RBW] FS: Swift Industries and Ahnaica Bagworks

2023-05-16 Thread Michael Ullmer

Cross-post from i-bob

Got a couple extra bags collecting dust:

1) Swift Industries Sidekick Stem Pouch - $40
--Tan, great shape just never used it.

2) Ahnaica Bagworks Convertible Backpack Pannier - $65
--Waxed canvas roll top pannier. In great shape, I bought this used but 
never ended up using it.

Prices are net to me and don't include shipping. I'll ship using Pirateship.

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/aZQPxykM2WHvGetXA

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[RBW] Wanting to try an AHH 47.5 or 51 in Boston

2023-05-16 Thread Stephanie A.

Hi everyone! As I continue (spending probably way too much money and time) 
altering my pandemic bike (which looks splendid but is probably a size too 
small and, gasp, aluminum), I've been scoping out which Riv I might buy in 
the future. I'm between an AHH and a Platy, heavily leaning toward the AHH 
to have a zippier feeling bike and a diamond frame. As much as I love 
seeing people touring and bike packing, I'm not sure that I'll ever do more 
than commute, lug sometimes heavy CSA shares or work stuff, and ride on 
pavement or packed dirt. The AHH seems to give me the flexibility to go at 
least a little beyond that if I want to.

What I'm most unsure of is sizing. My PBH is right on the line at around 
80cm. I want to avoid buying an expensive non-returnable new or used bike 
and feeling like I should have gotten a different size--or different model.

To that end, does anyone in the Boston area have an AHH in 47.5 or 51 that 
they'd be willing to let me stand over in the Common?

Many thanks,
Stephanie, who is really hoping that the more common size of 51 will fit so 
that her chances of eventually getting a gold AHH are moderately higher 
than if only the 47.5 fits

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[RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

2023-05-16 Thread Howard Ramsay

It's always worth the effort to try something new.

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:47:59 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Leah, I'm impressed by how you have found ways to make the Platypus work 
> on fast group rides - even if it is a bit more work. Your observation about 
> momentum is apt and the way you've adjusted to maintain it is great.
>
> Julian's point about the riding position is valid and your Billie bars 
> allow for a range of back angles by gripping the bar at different points so 
> you don't need to be an upright sail.  If you are not currently using 
> multiple hand positions on your bars that's a good place to start.  As 
> you've seen, there's a point on downhills where staying upright and 
> pedaling is slower than tucking in and coasting. 
>
> I have roadish bikes with Albatross bars and find griping the bar ahead of 
> the brake lever to be similar to riding on the hoods of a drop bar, while 
> gripping further into the bends/hooks and bending my elbows a bit more gets 
> me to a position similar to riding in the drops. Like Laing said you can 
> also try narrowing your grip even more toward the stem and bending even 
> lower for an actual aero tuck. You'll need to be cautious about how close 
> you are to other riders as your hands will be away from the brakes, but 
> this is no different from an aero tuck on a drop bar (where the hands are 
> moved in close to the stem).
>
> It's also very easy to adjust your stem height to try a slightly lower bar 
> position, but I would suggest becoming comfortable using the full range of 
> your handlebar positions to be worthwhile in any case.
>
> As to the difference between the Platypus and a lighter road bike - with 
> riding position accounted for above, it's mostly in acceleration. You 
> wouldn't need to worry as much about momentum because it'd be easier to get 
> back up to speed; but in any case momentum is a good thing and saves you 
> work.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:37:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> The answer is yes, but not recently. The upcoming North Carolina Riv Ride 
>> will be a challenge - no hills to practice on in south Florida.
>>
>> Note that you can still do an aero tuck even on a flat bar Platypus - its 
>> is kind of awkward, your hands are sort of beside your shoulders, or you 
>> can put your hands near the stem under your chest, but it beats pedaling 
>> downhill. You might have to put your water bottle in a frame mounted cage 
>> though.
>>
>> You don't need a Roadini - a naked drop bar platypus would work just 
>> fine. Although a sparkly raspberry Rodeo...
>>
>> You can never have too many Rivendells.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:13:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just want to talk bikes. I don’t have anything to post FS or WTB…I 
>>> just want to tell Riv people this dumb story that happened this morning. 
>>> You can laugh or you can roll your eyes, or you can chime in with your own 
>>> dumb story of getting in over your own dumb heads.
>>>
>>> This is my second season of club riding. I was new to it last year, and 
>>> now that our weather is finally cooperating, I’m back.
>>>
>>> Last week, our bike club started a new ride. It would be on Monday 
>>> mornings and only 5 miles from my house. The pace was to be 
>>> “conversational” which I took to mean ‘riding at a pace you can still have 
>>> a conversation at.’ (I now know that could not be what it meant.) The route 
>>> would be new. The details were fuzzy - word was, the ride leader would make 
>>> decisions about pace and miles once people arrived. Now, I know Platypuses 
>>> are not going to fare well in the 18-21 mph crowd, but I knew that two 
>>> women upwards of 70 did this ride last week. I figured I’d be fine.
>>>
>>> I was the second to arrive; the first being the president of our bike 
>>> club. He was pulling his gravel bike out of his truck. He’s a roadie and he 
>>> leads the 17-18 mph groups. Hmmm.  We’re friendly; I’m glad to know one 
>>> person on the ride, but if he is here, how fast are we going? Two more 
>>> people arrive; both men, roadies, and they pull jet-black, lethal-looking, 
>>> feather-light carbon bikes from their vehicles. They are strangers to me.
>>>
>>> Ok, well, it’s going to be fine. Who cares if you’re the only woman. So 
>>> what if you’re wearing your pink pants. Clutching the wide, sweepy bars of 
>>> your sparkly pink Platypus. Their eyes are hidden behind their Oakleys, and 
>>> I imagine what they are thinking - “She cannot be serious.” 
>>>
>>> Behind my Oakleys, I am thinking, “I cannot be serious.” 
>>>
>>> The three of them begin to discuss the route and the pace. The ride 
>>> leader says, “The route is hilly. Let’s keep a 17 mph pace in the flats.” 
>>> As soon as I hear that the route is hilly, I want OUT. I have always kept 
>>> up in my club rides, but hills are the one thing that the Platypus does not 
>>> do well. Oh, a Platypus can climb, but

[RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

2023-05-16 Thread DavidP

Leah, I'm impressed by how you have found ways to make the Platypus work on 
fast group rides - even if it is a bit more work. Your observation about 
momentum is apt and the way you've adjusted to maintain it is great.

Julian's point about the riding position is valid and your Billie bars 
allow for a range of back angles by gripping the bar at different points so 
you don't need to be an upright sail.  If you are not currently using 
multiple hand positions on your bars that's a good place to start.  As 
you've seen, there's a point on downhills where staying upright and 
pedaling is slower than tucking in and coasting. 

I have roadish bikes with Albatross bars and find griping the bar ahead of 
the brake lever to be similar to riding on the hoods of a drop bar, while 
gripping further into the bends/hooks and bending my elbows a bit more gets 
me to a position similar to riding in the drops. Like Laing said you can 
also try narrowing your grip even more toward the stem and bending even 
lower for an actual aero tuck. You'll need to be cautious about how close 
you are to other riders as your hands will be away from the brakes, but 
this is no different from an aero tuck on a drop bar (where the hands are 
moved in close to the stem).

It's also very easy to adjust your stem height to try a slightly lower bar 
position, but I would suggest becoming comfortable using the full range of 
your handlebar positions to be worthwhile in any case.

As to the difference between the Platypus and a lighter road bike - with 
riding position accounted for above, it's mostly in acceleration. You 
wouldn't need to worry as much about momentum because it'd be easier to get 
back up to speed; but in any case momentum is a good thing and saves you 
work.

-Dave

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:37:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> The answer is yes, but not recently. The upcoming North Carolina Riv Ride 
> will be a challenge - no hills to practice on in south Florida.
>
> Note that you can still do an aero tuck even on a flat bar Platypus - its 
> is kind of awkward, your hands are sort of beside your shoulders, or you 
> can put your hands near the stem under your chest, but it beats pedaling 
> downhill. You might have to put your water bottle in a frame mounted cage 
> though.
>
> You don't need a Roadini - a naked drop bar platypus would work just fine. 
> Although a sparkly raspberry Rodeo...
>
> You can never have too many Rivendells.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:13:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> I just want to talk bikes. I don’t have anything to post FS or WTB…I just 
>> want to tell Riv people this dumb story that happened this morning. You can 
>> laugh or you can roll your eyes, or you can chime in with your own dumb 
>> story of getting in over your own dumb heads.
>>
>> This is my second season of club riding. I was new to it last year, and 
>> now that our weather is finally cooperating, I’m back.
>>
>> Last week, our bike club started a new ride. It would be on Monday 
>> mornings and only 5 miles from my house. The pace was to be 
>> “conversational” which I took to mean ‘riding at a pace you can still have 
>> a conversation at.’ (I now know that could not be what it meant.) The route 
>> would be new. The details were fuzzy - word was, the ride leader would make 
>> decisions about pace and miles once people arrived. Now, I know Platypuses 
>> are not going to fare well in the 18-21 mph crowd, but I knew that two 
>> women upwards of 70 did this ride last week. I figured I’d be fine.
>>
>> I was the second to arrive; the first being the president of our bike 
>> club. He was pulling his gravel bike out of his truck. He’s a roadie and he 
>> leads the 17-18 mph groups. Hmmm.  We’re friendly; I’m glad to know one 
>> person on the ride, but if he is here, how fast are we going? Two more 
>> people arrive; both men, roadies, and they pull jet-black, lethal-looking, 
>> feather-light carbon bikes from their vehicles. They are strangers to me.
>>
>> Ok, well, it’s going to be fine. Who cares if you’re the only woman. So 
>> what if you’re wearing your pink pants. Clutching the wide, sweepy bars of 
>> your sparkly pink Platypus. Their eyes are hidden behind their Oakleys, and 
>> I imagine what they are thinking - “She cannot be serious.” 
>>
>> Behind my Oakleys, I am thinking, “I cannot be serious.” 
>>
>> The three of them begin to discuss the route and the pace. The ride 
>> leader says, “The route is hilly. Let’s keep a 17 mph pace in the flats.” 
>> As soon as I hear that the route is hilly, I want OUT. I have always kept 
>> up in my club rides, but hills are the one thing that the Platypus does not 
>> do well. Oh, a Platypus can climb, but don’t ask it to do it at high 
>> speeds. I use momentum to get me uphill. To compensate, I always shoot 
>> ahead of the group, but I slow on the incline and those carbon bikes are 
>> gaining on me near the top. About the time

Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

2023-05-16 Thread Brian Turner

A few thoughts from the OP:

My guess is that it will be closer to Susie than Gus. This might just be my 
skewed perception, but I've gotten the feeling that of the two models, the 
Susie was the one that was more desirable, especially to those more steeped 
in the classic tradition of Riv bikes. Probably due mostly to the classic 
look of a 1" threaded steerer and the notion that it might be a less stiff, 
more forgiving ride than the Gus. Maybe it will have stouter tubing? As for 
the lugs, this is why I'm not so sure it will have a swoopy top tube... 
unless I'm mistaken, Rivendell has never joined a curvy tube and a straight 
tube with a lug. They seem to be always TIG welded or fillet brazed in 
those cases. So, maybe it will have more lugs on other parts of the frame, 
but if it has a swoopy top tube, I doubt there will be any lugs on it. 
Also, I can't see Riv spec'ing any special lugs for a threadless headtube, 
so I say it'll be 1" threaded.

I won't even address the "girls bike" comments.

Oddly enough, for as long as I have admired and lusted after the classic 
look of Rivendell's traditional lugged diamond frames, it was the first 
photo I saw of Grant's mustard-y Clem L (years ago now) that really made me 
want to make my first Rivendell purchase. Something about the look of that 
bike really sparked something in me. When the Hillibikes were introduced, I 
was heavily into bikepacking and the Gus seemed like it was the one 
Rivendell that would be perfect for me and the type of riding I enjoy most. 
It took a while, but I finally scored one just in time for them to be 
discontinued. I love the way it rides. I love the way it handles loaded. I 
love that it still seems to be the most "black sheep" of all the Rivendells 
ever produced. It's like a rebel within an already rebellious niche of 
bikes made by a company that has always bucked trends. It's such a cool, 
weird-ass bike and I love it.

-Brian
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> So "Susie Lugged" in June" has become "Susie/Wolbis/Gus combo Hillibike. 
> Lugged." in October. OK, not likely to impact me, I have my Gus. But I do 
> love lugged frames.
>
> As far as the Appaloosa vs. Hunqapillar comparison - the Hunqapillar has 
> the best head badge by far - love those Trilobites, kinda wish my Bombadil 
> had a Hunqapillar head badge.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 7:14:06 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> I am curious. It was mentioned in an email back in January, right before 
>> the last Susie/Gus shipment:
>>
>> Tomorrow is the last chance to get a fillet brazed Gus or Susie. They're 
>> discontinued, not because we don't love 'em but because the fillet brazing 
>> is super time consuming for our frame manufacturer and because a lot of 
>> people find the two iterations of what's almost the same bike confusing. 
>> Hillibikes will return, but not in these forms.
>>
>> I also took this screenshot around the same time. Maybe they were just 
>> using the name Susie as a placeholder. Maybe not. Of course someone could 
>> just give our friends a call to find out...
>>
>> [image: IMG_0020.PNG]
>> Bones
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:03:24 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> *If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version 
>>> would just be an Appaloosa.*
>>>
>>> this is what i tell myself all the time. always wanted a hunq, but ended 
>>> up with an appa. i used to hate the long chain stays and i still *prefer 
>>> *the hunq, but I i really like my appaloosa.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:39:49 PM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 RBW have stated at least once that the Hunqapillar will come back, but 
 in a different form.  I hope that's what is coming in October.  

 If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version 
 would just be an Appaloosa.  Other than longer chainstays and probably 
 heavier tubes, the Appaloosa is very, very similar to the old Hunqapillar, 
 at least in the mid-sizes (ie, 54 Hunq, 55 Appaloosa).   I would love to 
 ride my 54 Hunqapillar and the closest to the same size Appaloosa, back to 
 back, to see how much difference the longer chainstays make.  

 On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 7:27:36 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Two biggest differences (in my opinion) between a Clem L and either a 
> Gus or Susie; the latter are not step through frames & they both have a 
> significantly higher bottom bracket than the Clem. I think the Clem is 
> accurately described as a “Hillibike”. Gus & Susie are legit mountain 
> bikes. Love them both!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2023, at 8:10 PM, ssimarsawhney  
> wrote:
>
> My guess would have been 1in threaded with thicker tubing, which 
> feels like a clem. 
>
>
> Can someone speak a bit more about the differences between the two? 
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023

[RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

The answer is yes, but not recently. The upcoming North Carolina Riv Ride 
will be a challenge - no hills to practice on in south Florida.

Note that you can still do an aero tuck even on a flat bar Platypus - its 
is kind of awkward, your hands are sort of beside your shoulders, or you 
can put your hands near the stem under your chest, but it beats pedaling 
downhill. You might have to put your water bottle in a frame mounted cage 
though.

You don't need a Roadini - a naked drop bar platypus would work just fine. 
Although a sparkly raspberry Rodeo...

You can never have too many Rivendells.

Laing

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:13:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I just want to talk bikes. I don’t have anything to post FS or WTB…I just 
> want to tell Riv people this dumb story that happened this morning. You can 
> laugh or you can roll your eyes, or you can chime in with your own dumb 
> story of getting in over your own dumb heads.
>
> This is my second season of club riding. I was new to it last year, and 
> now that our weather is finally cooperating, I’m back.
>
> Last week, our bike club started a new ride. It would be on Monday 
> mornings and only 5 miles from my house. The pace was to be 
> “conversational” which I took to mean ‘riding at a pace you can still have 
> a conversation at.’ (I now know that could not be what it meant.) The route 
> would be new. The details were fuzzy - word was, the ride leader would make 
> decisions about pace and miles once people arrived. Now, I know Platypuses 
> are not going to fare well in the 18-21 mph crowd, but I knew that two 
> women upwards of 70 did this ride last week. I figured I’d be fine.
>
> I was the second to arrive; the first being the president of our bike 
> club. He was pulling his gravel bike out of his truck. He’s a roadie and he 
> leads the 17-18 mph groups. Hmmm.  We’re friendly; I’m glad to know one 
> person on the ride, but if he is here, how fast are we going? Two more 
> people arrive; both men, roadies, and they pull jet-black, lethal-looking, 
> feather-light carbon bikes from their vehicles. They are strangers to me.
>
> Ok, well, it’s going to be fine. Who cares if you’re the only woman. So 
> what if you’re wearing your pink pants. Clutching the wide, sweepy bars of 
> your sparkly pink Platypus. Their eyes are hidden behind their Oakleys, and 
> I imagine what they are thinking - “She cannot be serious.” 
>
> Behind my Oakleys, I am thinking, “I cannot be serious.” 
>
> The three of them begin to discuss the route and the pace. The ride leader 
> says, “The route is hilly. Let’s keep a 17 mph pace in the flats.” As soon 
> as I hear that the route is hilly, I want OUT. I have always kept up in my 
> club rides, but hills are the one thing that the Platypus does not do well. 
> Oh, a Platypus can climb, but don’t ask it to do it at high speeds. I use 
> momentum to get me uphill. To compensate, I always shoot ahead of the 
> group, but I slow on the incline and those carbon bikes are gaining on me 
> near the top. About the time they catch me, I’m back up to speed and am 
> innocent of causing anyone to slow down, but that extra effort is the price 
> I pay. The game is: Never Make Them Slow Down For You Even If You Have A 
> Heart Attack. 
>
> My mind is searching for a way out. I don’t have a good feeling about 
> this. It’s early in the season. Maybe if I was in tip top, but today? But 
> then came introductions. J, the president says, “This is Leah. She’s fine. 
> She can keep up with us.” Liar, I think.
>
> And with that, we are off.
>
> We hit a hill right out the gate. I’m toward the back because I don’t know 
> the route. They are calmly approaching that hill, not changing speed. I’m 
> confused. They’re slowing me up; it’s too late for me to get around them. I 
> will not have the burst of speed I need to start that hill. And worse, I’m 
> in too high of a gear. I have friction shifting - and now I’m committed. I 
> am desperate not to look like a fool. I am standing on my pedals, wishing 
> for the first time in my life that I am 10 pounds heavier. All my weight on 
> the left pedal. All my weight on the right pedal. Tossing the bike side to 
> side. Panting. Heart wildly beating. Wishing I was somewhere else. I don’t 
> know if I can do this, and we have just begun. And the two guys in front 
> are now sailing uphill and creating a wide chasm between us. This is the 
> worst first impression. But looking behind me, one of them is having a 
> harder time with that hill than me. So, at least I’m not LAST. 
>
> The leaders soft pedal and we regroup. New strategy. Way lower gears on 
> the uphill. Pedal like a rabid animal on the downhill. Announce I’m going 
> around them to get enough speed/momentum.
>
> This works better. “Hey, Leah’s getting a better workout than us!” they 
> joke. “She’s pedaling downhill AND uphill!” Yes, she is, and she’s 
> exhausted. I push something on my Apple Watch and

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