Hehe, this is my secret plan for if I'm ever on a Leah group ride: a hidden 
motor in the downtube 🙃

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 6:39:39 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> I just realized that I forgot to mention the easiest way to keep up: I 
> converted my wife's Cheviot into an ebike. 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2020/12/installation-review-swytch-e-bike.html
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:13:53 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Have you ever gotten in over your head?
>>
>>
>> Well, Leah, if you'd really been in over your head you'd have drowned :-) 
>>  Sounds to me like, even though it was a harder effort you are used to, you 
>> performed quite well. That's a good testament to the fitness you've 
>> developed over the last few years.
>>
>> As for the "would a different bike help" part of the thread ... as others 
>> have said, it's a lot more about position than it is about the bike, per 
>> se. Of course, the bike dictates, to some extent, the position. Position 
>> does a few things ... one, as mentioned, is aerodynamics, reducing 
>> coefficient of drag, which becomes exponentially important as speed 
>> increases, but much less so if you're tucked into a group (until you're at 
>> the front!); another is that a forward-lean recruits more/different muscle 
>> groups to keep the pedals spinning at higher effort; and a third is that 
>> climbing out of the saddle requires enough distance to the handlebars to 
>> get over the pedals when the bike is on a steep upslope.  That said, my 
>> experience has been that my Cheviot was hands-down the slowest bike I've 
>> owned, regardless of position. I have no idea why. Also, there is one part 
>> of the bike where you can buy speed, and that's the tires. Though, it looks 
>> like your Platy is on Ultradynamicos, so you might be good there. I 
>> guarantee you a few pounds of bike weight won't make any difference.  
>>
>> My recommendation, fwiw, if you are thinking about a "road bike" would be 
>> to not go straight to something like a Roadeo or Roadini, as that would be 
>> a big change and take quite a bit of time to adjust. I have a Riv Road 
>> custom with a Campy group on it, but I would not hesitate to ride my Sam 
>> Hillborne on a fast group ride. The position on it is half way between your 
>> current Platy and a "road bike", and I think would be an easier transition.
>>
>> One more thing ... riding in a group requires specific skills, awareness, 
>> and communication. From your previous posts it sounds like you've developed 
>> those pretty well. But the stakes get higher as the speeds get higher and, 
>> as you noticed, the tolerances get tighter. Fast rides mean staying a few 
>> inches off the wheel in front of you and that means very little reaction 
>> time when stuff happens. I like your approach of getting to the front as 
>> hills approach, and the fact that you can ride off the front like that 
>> speaks volumes about how strong you are. However, it can be really 
>> disruptive for a group to have a gap open and then close. So, my suggestion 
>> is to not worry about getting any distance on the group, but definitely try 
>> to get to the front at the start of a climb. In a good group, there's 
>> always a nice, smooth rotation, one line moving up, one line moving back, 
>> so it's easy to get to the front at the start of a climb and slowly drop 
>> back as you go up. Just be aware that, for a lot of fast group rides, LOTS 
>> of people are going to be jockeying for that position cuz they are badass 
>> and need to show it. In the ride you described, it sounds like a small 
>> group and that wasn't the case. It would have been totally appropriate to 
>> talk to the others about how you like to rotate on the hills. It's really 
>> important for the group to agree on which side is moving up and which side 
>> is dropping back. In general, going up hills (in places where we ride on 
>> the right hand side of the road) the slower people should be on the right 
>> and the faster on the left. 
>>
>> Oh, and yeah, I've gone over my head. My last boss before I retired was a 
>> serious triathlete and I rode with him a fair amount. One of our last rides 
>> he said he wanted to do 5 hours at an easy pace. I brought food and drink, 
>> accordingly. He was averaging 20+ and I was near my aerobic threshold most 
>> of the time. Definitely did not have the right food for that sort of ride, 
>> and I paid for it dearly.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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