[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Cheviot (would consider Platty or 59cm Clem) in NC

[Kim H.]

In Seattle, Washington -
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/423877213473715/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post=browse_serp%3A4c497921-5d88-4b84-be40-c13146953aa4

Kim Hetzel
just south of Seattle. 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:50:42 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> This may be something to consider. Seems like a nice bike at a good price. 
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/381948061057358/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post=browse_serp%3A3c57205e-196a-4825-8a0c-2a78f9e602e0
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 7:36:05 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> I am going to bump this one time.  I have had some offers but should have 
>> clarified, really partial to the blue or orange Cheviot color ways.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 3:53:00 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking to but a 60cm Cheviot, ideally just the F/BB/HS/F, and 
>>> ideally locally, in Western NC.  If it's not local, so be it.  If someone 
>>> is interested in a trade, then I have a 2018 62cm Appaloosa for your 
>>> consideration.  If not, then I've got cash.  Please let me know if you have 
>>> this bike and are willing/able to part with it.
>>>
>>> I would *consider* a 60cm Platypus or a 59cm Clem L
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Ryan]

Sounds like Winnipeg to me! Especially the stiff headwind bit. So for my 
dodgy knees and 70+ years it's 18-19 tooth WI ENO and 36 tooth front on an 
old XTR crank on my ancient but reliable  early 70's PX-10 single speed 
which works in said headwind but is probably undergeared otherwise.

@Max S which one are you in the trio BTW?

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:54:42 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill, your description of the landscape near your Michigan office is even 
> more true of northwest Ohio, Toledo more precisely. It’s this geography 
> that has me thinking a Roaduno might be fun, be it 1,2 or 3 speed.
> Richard - in Toledo where the only “hill” is a stiff headwind.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 5, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Fair enough.  On the simpler side I have a fixie at my office in 
> Michigan, where the biggest hill is a freeway overpass.  On that bike 
> (Crust Florida Man) I run a Campy square taper road crank with a 39T ring 
> and a chain guard with a 16T fixed cog on a Surly Ultra New rear hub. 
>  There's a 16T freewheel on the other side but I've never used it.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, 
>> but these are nice options you're running.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
>>> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
>>> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
>>> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
>>> wheel position
>>>
>>> 34x22 is my climbing gear
>>> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
>>> 40x16 is my high gear
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>>
 What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
 too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the 
 classic 
 single speed crankset anymore.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Richard Rose]

Bill, your description of the landscape near your Michigan office is even more true of northwest Ohio, Toledo more precisely. It’s this geography that has me thinking a Roaduno might be fun, be it 1,2 or 3 speed.Richard - in Toledo where the only “hill” is a stiff headwind.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 5, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Fair enough.  On the simpler side I have a fixie at my office in Michigan, where the biggest hill is a freeway overpass.  On that bike (Crust Florida Man) I run a Campy square taper road crank with a 39T ring and a chain guard with a 16T fixed cog on a Surly Ultra New rear hub.  There's a 16T freewheel on the other side but I've never used it.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8 David wrote:Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, but these are nice options you're running.On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same wheel position34x22 is my climbing gear37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear40x16 is my high gearBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic single speed crankset anymore.



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[RBW] Re: WTB- Nitto 32r Rack

[Nathan Mattia]

Still Looking!!

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:53:12 PM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> I had the bigger 33r on my Sam Hillborne for a couple of years before 
> realizing a 650b bike is probably better suited to the 32r.
>
> Anyone have one of these for sale?
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Cheviot (would consider Platty or 59cm Clem) in NC

[Josh C]

This may be something to consider. Seems like a nice bike at a good price. 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/381948061057358/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post=browse_serp%3A3c57205e-196a-4825-8a0c-2a78f9e602e0

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 7:36:05 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I am going to bump this one time.  I have had some offers but should have 
> clarified, really partial to the blue or orange Cheviot color ways.
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 3:53:00 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> I am looking to but a 60cm Cheviot, ideally just the F/BB/HS/F, and 
>> ideally locally, in Western NC.  If it's not local, so be it.  If someone 
>> is interested in a trade, then I have a 2018 62cm Appaloosa for your 
>> consideration.  If not, then I've got cash.  Please let me know if you have 
>> this bike and are willing/able to part with it.
>>
>> I would *consider* a 60cm Platypus or a 59cm Clem L
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Garth]

People do lament about modern frame/parts design Bill, and they do it 
@Bikeforums.net in mostly the classic & vintage section :) All vintage 
makes and models are talked about and bought and sold and very much 
prized/appreciated. It is by far the most active section of BF. There's a 
couple of members who regularly post .pdf scans of old cycling publications 
like Bicycling! magazine of most any bike that was reviewed at the time. 
Not just bikes of course but all the vintage parts too from how they work 
to how to tear down and repair them. It's a very diverse community that has 
the same polarizing topics as any other places, but it's broken down into 
vary sections to make it easier to post and find posts. Lots of riders who 
love anything "new" and lots that don't. 

The demand and use for all kinds of bikes and parts Worlwide is far beyond 
anyone's means or abilities to count. Andel, likely the largest crank 
manufacturer in the World, has lots of traditional doubles and triples and 
they manufacture Riv's cranks for them. 

As for the megastays, it is what it is. There's a whole lotta frames and 
makers to choose from. Thankfully there are other people/businesses 
interested in having steel frames(stock and custom), friction shifters and 
non-disc hubs made so there's very little if anything I shop @Riv for. 
On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:13:52 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather 
> themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes. 
>  It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get. 
>  There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are 
> griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias.  All those nostalgic cyclists have 
> bailed on Specialized entirely.  
>
> What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want to 
> exist.  If you like one and want to buy it, great.  If you don't like any 
> of them and buy something else, that's also great.  They (Riv) does not 
> care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on 
> and pay their people a modest living wage.  They do not care about growth. 
>  Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow. 
>  They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan 
> out making that many bikes.  That very limited number of bikes is always 
> going to be "whatever they feel like making".  They count on the fact that 
> somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them.  The 
> bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else and/or 
> have never been made before.  When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes 
> like the Saluki didn't exist.  Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so 
> Riv doesn't have to make them.  The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic 
> for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If you 
> want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, and 
> be happy.  That's what Riv would tell you.  
>
> The Roaduno is the classic, IMO.  They love the idea of a purpose built 
> 3x1 road bike.  Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding on their 
> keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 road bike. 
>  There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because they feel 
> like it.  If you buy it, great.  If you don't, they hope you find something 
> else that you do want to buy.  It's perfectly logical for you nostalgic 
> Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and did a run of 
> traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis"  Yep, they could have.  That's 
> not what they felt like doing.  
>
> My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv.  Seek out the 
> bikes you like, buy them and ride them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that 
>> is as long as I need. 
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>
>>> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the 
>>> Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I 
>>> found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. 
>>> This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the 
>>> bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have 
>>> available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter 
>>> frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a 
>>> regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my 
>>> Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that 
>>> situation.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Cheviot (would consider Platty or 59cm Clem) in NC

[James]

I am going to bump this one time.  I have had some offers but should have 
clarified, really partial to the blue or orange Cheviot color ways.

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 3:53:00 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I am looking to but a 60cm Cheviot, ideally just the F/BB/HS/F, and 
> ideally locally, in Western NC.  If it's not local, so be it.  If someone 
> is interested in a trade, then I have a 2018 62cm Appaloosa for your 
> consideration.  If not, then I've got cash.  Please let me know if you have 
> this bike and are willing/able to part with it.
>
> I would *consider* a 60cm Platypus or a 59cm Clem L
>

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Re: [RBW] Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Patrick Moore]

The point of long chainstay "grousers" may be that so many of the
shorter-stayed Rivendells were such wonderfully handling bikes. I for one
am very, very glad that I learned what "perfect" road bike handling can be
with 4 ~44.5 cm-stayed Rivendell road bikes and a first-gen Sam Hillborne.

I've not ridden a current-gen long-stayed Rivendell; the Clems get very
good reviews from many surprising quarters (Patrick O'Grady) and it's one I
keep near the top of the mental "you might think of getting this" list. I
expect long stays add many benefits to ride and "feel." But I'd hesitate to
add another 5 cm to the 45 cm stays (to end of dropout) of my benchmark
remaining Riv Road custom -- because it's perfect as-is.

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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Bill Lindsay]

Fair enough.  On the simpler side I have a fixie at my office in Michigan, 
where the biggest hill is a freeway overpass.  On that bike (Crust Florida 
Man) I run a Campy square taper road crank with a 39T ring and a chain 
guard with a 16T fixed cog on a Surly Ultra New rear hub.  There's a 16T 
freewheel on the other side but I've never used it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8 David wrote:

> Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, 
> but these are nice options you're running.
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
>> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
>> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
>> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
>> wheel position
>>
>> 34x22 is my climbing gear
>> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
>> 40x16 is my high gear
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>
>>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>>> single speed crankset anymore.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Max S]

I should add that I always aim for as narrow of a Q-factor as I can get on 
a set-up. The best has been an old Mavic 631 "Starfish" crank with a 39t 
chainring, mated to the narrowest (103 or 107 mm) bottom bracket I could 
find. The next best – by just a couple millimeters were Sun XCD and Rene 
Herse, then DuraAce track (I've a Hollowtech spindle version in 175 mm that 
I'd be happy to sell, actually). Mind, the DA track crank gets you a Q of 
136 mm (!) so this is all going to be loads better, IMO, than any crank 
I've seen sold by Riv in recent memory. I reckon you could do well by 
finding a cheap Shimano 600 / TriColor crank on the Bay and sticking a 
generic, un-ramped 42t ring on it in the outer position, and a 
cheap-and-cheerful 103 mm bottom bracket. If you want stiff, go for a 
Hollowtech crank from Shimano. 
BTW, the bottom bracket on the QuickBeam sits a bit higher than on most of 
my other bikes, so you can clear a longer crank in fixed gear mode. Still, 
I'd recommend limiting tires to ~38 mm and eschewing fenders to minimize 
toe overlap.

- Max "narrow is aero" in A2

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:07:02 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Fun! At one point, I had both a SimpleOne and a QuickBeam in the stable, 
> plus two other fixies. I'll try to attach some photos as examples. 
> On the Rivs, I've run a number of different crank and cog combinations, 
> probably 10-20 in all. Some of the more interesting ones included a 
> double-ring WI ENO crank with a WI DOS freewheel + Surly Dingle (so that's 
> potentially 8 gear ratios), an Endless cog on a freehub, and a single track 
> cog + DA track crank. I ran everything from a Paul flip-flop, to a DA 
> track, to a burly 135mm spaced Deore disc hub, to a DT Swiss 350 freehub 
> laced to 60 mm deep carbon rims. 
> My tooth combos included 53x19, 52x19, 50x18, 46x17, 45x17, 45x16, 42x16, 
> 39x15... I found the good ol' 42x16 and 46x17 to be the more sustainable 
> ratios on most days. When I was in decent form, 52x19 and 50x18 with carbon 
> wheels felt good, but I haven't had such form for a couple of years now. 
> The most recent combo was a Rene Herse crank with a 40t narrow-wide ring 
> and 18t in the back, with full metal fenders, rack, and basket, intended 
> for commuting. But I'll be changing that to a 15t cog in the back for 
> faster, shorter rides. 
> For reference, I used to do 20-50 mile long rides on these single speeds / 
> fixies, with a typical elevation gain limited to ~2,000 ft over, say, a 40 
> mile jaunt. 
>
> - Max "idee fixe" in A2
>
> [image: Rivendell Quickbeam Fall Foliage 2022 rs.jpg]
> [image: Rivendell Simple One - GOAT.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
> [image: Rivendell Simple One - portaging pastries from Boro.jpeg]
> [image: Rivendell Ride - KalHaven Trail Summer 2022.jpeg]
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 3:21:08 PM UTC-5 David wrote:
>
>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>> single speed crankset anymore.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Jason Fuller]

Any 110 BCD crank like Sugino or S!lver would do the trick nicely, perhaps 
a 38T and pant guard paired to a 17t (flat area) or 18t (hillier area) 
White Industries freewheel 

On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 13:56:12 UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> I rode my quickbeam with a 69-70 gear inch drivetrain. I had a 16/19 white 
> industries freewheel but never ran it on the 19…
> -Kai
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:06:32 PM UTC-5 David wrote:
>
>> Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, 
>> but these are nice options you're running.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
>>> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
>>> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
>>> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
>>> wheel position
>>>
>>> 34x22 is my climbing gear
>>> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
>>> 40x16 is my high gear
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>>
 What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
 too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the 
 classic 
 single speed crankset anymore.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Tim Burke]

Doh! Good catch, Roberta! Coffee outside is sunday here's the link to the
PBE event info https://phillybikeexpo.com/coffee-outside-pbe-edition/

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 2:19 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Tim--
> The Coffee Outside Philly will be on Saturday or the normal Sunday (lots
> of nice people there).
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-5 timothym...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I live in Philly but I'll be there with my Sam on Saturday. Would love to
>> get a Riv ride together - maybe to the after party at Keystone?
>>
>> Also, I'm on the organizers of Coffee Outside Philly and we'll be meeting
>> at our usual time around 9am at Lemon Hill Gazebo. We'll hang out and talk
>> bikes until 11 or so and then there's a 10ish mile mixed terrain ride to
>> the Expo through some of our local trails. Come hang out if you're up for
>> it.
>>
>> Also Bryce if I could I'd buy your Sam too. Mines the same size but with
>> canti's and I love it so much
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:30:46 AM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone extra tall coming in from out of town, I have a 62cm Sam
>>> listed as a frameset w crank and seat post on CL here in Philly. If you
>>> want to make a deal, I am open to offers and have all the fixings for a
>>> complete build. I'll be around doing some of the local rides as well as the
>>> Keystone afterparty.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:58:21 PM UTC-5 benjamin@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ll see you all there! I’ve got to work Saturday but I’ll make it out
 to the Expo on Sunday and Keystone’s partay Saturday night. My
 three-year-old has developed a distinct preference for the Surly Cross
 Check over the Atlantis and Clem but whatever the case we’ll roll up on two
 wheels.

 On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM Roberta  wrote:

> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>
> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but
> will be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If
> anyone needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.
>
> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and
> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>
> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>
> Roberta
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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I rode my quickbeam with a 69-70 gear inch drivetrain. I had a 16/19 white 
industries freewheel but never ran it on the 19…
-Kai

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:06:32 PM UTC-5 David wrote:

> Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, 
> but these are nice options you're running.
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
>> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
>> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
>> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
>> wheel position
>>
>> 34x22 is my climbing gear
>> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
>> 40x16 is my high gear
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>
>>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>>> single speed crankset anymore.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Armand Kizirian]

I bought my Platypus because the long chainstays were part of having a 
bicycle that is designed around the upright riding position, 
differentiating it from the 80's mtb's I've turned into upright commuters 
in the past. 

If you have multiple Rivendells and wish to buy one with shorter 
chainstays, sounds like a quality problem to me. ;) 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:34:59 PM UTC-8 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:

> that's shear brilliance!   Long chainstays don't matter a  single 
> attribute.  It's the complete frame design that matters.  At any rate 
> design and fit are the second most important.  A kook taught me: "first 
> you; then style and fit, then stuff
>
> VTW
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 10:13 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather 
>> themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes.  
>> It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get.  
>> There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are 
>> griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias.  All those nostalgic cyclists have 
>> bailed on Specialized entirely.  
>>
>> What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want to 
>> exist.  If you like one and want to buy it, great.  If you don't like any 
>> of them and buy something else, that's also great.  They (Riv) does not 
>> care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on 
>> and pay their people a modest living wage.  They do not care about growth.  
>> Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow.  
>> They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan out 
>> making that many bikes.  That very limited number of bikes is always going 
>> to be "whatever they feel like making".  They count on the fact that 
>> somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them.  The 
>> bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else and/or 
>> have never been made before.  When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes 
>> like the Saluki didn't exist.  Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so 
>> Riv doesn't have to make them.  The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic 
>> for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If you 
>> want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, and 
>> be happy.  That's what Riv would tell you.  
>>
>> The Roaduno is the classic, IMO.  They love the idea of a purpose built 
>> 3x1 road bike.  Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding on their 
>> keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 road bike.  
>> There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because they feel 
>> like it.  If you buy it, great.  If you don't, they hope you find something 
>> else that you do want to buy.  It's perfectly logical for you nostalgic 
>> Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and did a run of 
>> traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis"  Yep, they could have.  That's 
>> not what they felt like doing.  
>>
>> My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv.  Seek out the 
>> bikes you like, buy them and ride them.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that 
>>> is as long as I need. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>>
 I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the 
 Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. 
 I 
 found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. 
 This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the 
 bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have 
 available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter 
 frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a 
 regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride 
 my 
 Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Victor Hanson]

that's shear brilliance!   Long chainstays don't matter a  single
attribute.  It's the complete frame design that matters.  At any rate
design and fit are the second most important.  A kook taught me: "first
you; then style and fit, then stuff

VTW

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 10:13 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather
> themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes.
> It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get.
> There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are
> griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias.  All those nostalgic cyclists have
> bailed on Specialized entirely.
>
> What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want to
> exist.  If you like one and want to buy it, great.  If you don't like any
> of them and buy something else, that's also great.  They (Riv) does not
> care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on
> and pay their people a modest living wage.  They do not care about growth.
> Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow.
> They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan out
> making that many bikes.  That very limited number of bikes is always going
> to be "whatever they feel like making".  They count on the fact that
> somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them.  The
> bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else and/or
> have never been made before.  When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes
> like the Saluki didn't exist.  Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so
> Riv doesn't have to make them.  The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic
> for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If you
> want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, and
> be happy.  That's what Riv would tell you.
>
> The Roaduno is the classic, IMO.  They love the idea of a purpose built
> 3x1 road bike.  Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding on their
> keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 road bike.
> There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because they feel
> like it.  If you buy it, great.  If you don't, they hope you find something
> else that you do want to buy.  It's perfectly logical for you nostalgic
> Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and did a run of
> traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis"  Yep, they could have.  That's
> not what they felt like doing.
>
> My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv.  Seek out the
> bikes you like, buy them and ride them.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that
>> is as long as I need.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>
>>> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the
>>> Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I
>>> found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track.
>>> This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the
>>> bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have
>>> available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter
>>> frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a
>>> regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my
>>> Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that
>>> situation.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[J J]

Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that pleases 
you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 

You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a broad 
category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will it be 
"practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a group? 
Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?

One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. This 
is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate to the 
various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 

If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.

Good luck with your search!

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, 
> I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
> ,
>  
> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>
> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
> right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike for 
> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group fast 
> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two Riv 
> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for just 
> one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
> wonderful! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
>> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
>> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
>> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
>> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
>> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
>> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
>> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>>
>> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
>>> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
>>> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
>>> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
>>> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
>>> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
>>> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
>>> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
>>> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
>>> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
>>> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
>>> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
>>> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>>>
 I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently 
 replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the 
 Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're 
 looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the 

[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, but 
these are nice options you're running.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
> wheel position
>
> 34x22 is my climbing gear
> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
> 40x16 is my high gear
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>> single speed crankset anymore.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Lucio Rodriguez]

Thank you all for the fantastic recommendations. The Phil Wood hubs look 
amazing, and it appears they perform just as beautifully. However, I can't 
find the touring hub that fits my bike/rim specifications available 
anywhere so I will opt for the Bitex. White Industries seems to be a great 
other option, but I don't like how they look, especially compared to Phil 
Woods.

I'm going to buy the Bitex hubs and keep an eye out for Phil Woods touring 
hubs for a future upgrade. Thanks again, everyone!

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:21:17 AM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I think the real use case for using a dynohub while bikepacking is to keep 
> USB accessories topped up. Yes yes, one should try to unplug while in the 
> wilderness etc., but being able to access .gpx files or use routefinding 
> apps like Ride With GPS is clearly synergistic with the traditional 
> map/compass/cue sheets.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Mar 5, 2024, at 9:06 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> *I don't backpack, so a dynamo is unnecessary.*
>
> Although I am certainly glad to have it, the bike I use the most for 
> bikepacking is probably the one I use my dynamo light on the least. 
> Probably because on multi-day trips, I rarely find myself biking through 
> the darkness for long periods of time. Typically, I am riding most of the 
> daytime, and usually am at camp (or wherever) well before the sun sets. I 
> find a dynamo setup to be incredibly practical for those bikes you hop on 
> the most, for anything and everything; commuting or traveling on streets 
> with traffic, riding around with friends at night, etc.
>
> Ok, sorry to go off-topic!
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 11:37:44 AM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Rear Cliffhanger on my Gus is built with this Bitex hub. It’s been very 
>> good for the first 2k miles.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
>> very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
>> quality and price but with zero hyper around them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
>>> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and 
>>> the bike) are ready!
>>>
>>> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
 something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 

 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
>> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and 
>> Velocity Dyads.
>> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
>> and reasonably cheap.
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Thanks Heike. I was considering the Appaloosa, but it might be more stout 
than what I need. Appreciate the first-hand report on the Choco bar, as it 
sounds like it might work for me. Will definitely keep it in mind.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, 
> I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
> ,
>  
> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>
> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
> right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike for 
> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group fast 
> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two Riv 
> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for just 
> one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
> wonderful! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
>> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
>> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
>> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
>> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
>> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
>> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
>> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>>
>> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
>>> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
>>> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
>>> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
>>> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
>>> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
>>> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
>>> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
>>> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
>>> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
>>> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
>>> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
>>> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>>>
 I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently 
 replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the 
 Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're 
 looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam 
 that 
 fit me (51) was 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but 
 ended 
 up selling that and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time 
 (dragging kids around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). 
 Sam is great, but didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely 
 more 
 sluggish in its handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I 
 attribute most of that to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on 
 the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go 
 with the Sam for your use, 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone 
 mentioned earlier!). 

 I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
 anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
 the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
 you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
 On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post 
> about iterating...  
> IMO, 

[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Bill Lindsay]

I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
wheel position

34x22 is my climbing gear
37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
40x16 is my high gear

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:

> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, too, 
> if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
> single speed crankset anymore.

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[RBW] Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, too, 
if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Johnny Alien]

For me personally I don't see the need for the dyno hubs. USB lights 
generally have more available options, are lighter, are brighter, and don't 
require a special setup (hub/wiring/etc). I understand and appreciate the 
"I don't want to charge anything" view but the sacrifice is extra weight 
and drag and with the length of time you can get off of one charge I don't 
see it as an issue. I respect that I am in the minority with that opinion. 
:)

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I think the real use case for using a dynohub while bikepacking is to keep 
> USB accessories topped up. Yes yes, one should try to unplug while in the 
> wilderness etc., but being able to access .gpx files or use routefinding 
> apps like Ride With GPS is clearly synergistic with the traditional 
> map/compass/cue sheets.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Mar 5, 2024, at 9:06 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> *I don't backpack, so a dynamo is unnecessary.*
>
> Although I am certainly glad to have it, the bike I use the most for 
> bikepacking is probably the one I use my dynamo light on the least. 
> Probably because on multi-day trips, I rarely find myself biking through 
> the darkness for long periods of time. Typically, I am riding most of the 
> daytime, and usually am at camp (or wherever) well before the sun sets. I 
> find a dynamo setup to be incredibly practical for those bikes you hop on 
> the most, for anything and everything; commuting or traveling on streets 
> with traffic, riding around with friends at night, etc.
>
> Ok, sorry to go off-topic!
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 11:37:44 AM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Rear Cliffhanger on my Gus is built with this Bitex hub. It’s been very 
>> good for the first 2k miles.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
>> very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
>> quality and price but with zero hyper around them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
>>> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and 
>>> the bike) are ready!
>>>
>>> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
 something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 

 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
>> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and 
>> Velocity Dyads.
>> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
>> and reasonably cheap.
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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

Tim--
The Coffee Outside Philly will be on Saturday or the normal Sunday (lots of 
nice people there).
Roberta

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-5 timothym...@gmail.com wrote:

> I live in Philly but I'll be there with my Sam on Saturday. Would love to 
> get a Riv ride together - maybe to the after party at Keystone?
>
> Also, I'm on the organizers of Coffee Outside Philly and we'll be meeting 
> at our usual time around 9am at Lemon Hill Gazebo. We'll hang out and talk 
> bikes until 11 or so and then there's a 10ish mile mixed terrain ride to 
> the Expo through some of our local trails. Come hang out if you're up for 
> it. 
>
> Also Bryce if I could I'd buy your Sam too. Mines the same size but with 
> canti's and I love it so much
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:30:46 AM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For anyone extra tall coming in from out of town, I have a 62cm Sam 
>> listed as a frameset w crank and seat post on CL here in Philly. If you 
>> want to make a deal, I am open to offers and have all the fixings for a 
>> complete build. I'll be around doing some of the local rides as well as the 
>> Keystone afterparty. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:58:21 PM UTC-5 benjamin@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll see you all there! I’ve got to work Saturday but I’ll make it out 
>>> to the Expo on Sunday and Keystone’s partay Saturday night. My 
>>> three-year-old has developed a distinct preference for the Surly Cross 
>>> Check over the Atlantis and Clem but whatever the case we’ll roll up on two 
>>> wheels. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
 https://phillybikeexpo.com/

 Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.

 I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but 
 will be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If 
 anyone needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  

 There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
 donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.

 I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Heike Larson]

Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, I'll 
chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
,
 
which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 

I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike for 
that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group fast 
rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two Riv 
bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for just 
one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
wonderful! 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>
> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
>> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
>> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
>> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
>> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
>> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
>> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
>> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
>> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
>> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
>> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
>> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
>> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>>
>>> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently 
>>> replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the 
>>> Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're 
>>> looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam that 
>>> fit me (51) was 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but ended 
>>> up selling that and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time 
>>> (dragging kids around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). 
>>> Sam is great, but didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely more 
>>> sluggish in its handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I 
>>> attribute most of that to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on 
>>> the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go 
>>> with the Sam for your use, 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone 
>>> mentioned earlier!). 
>>>
>>> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
>>> anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
>>> the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
>>> you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
>>> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post 
 about iterating...  
 IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
 make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
 awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 

 - Max "it's a journey" in A2

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe 

Re: [RBW] Box Size for 59 Clem

[Eric Daume]

Shipping cost will still go up with dimensions. I’ve shipped enough bikes
and frames to learn that cutting down boxes can make a significant
difference (while still being in the oversized/dimensional weight
category).

Eric


On Tuesday, March 5, 2024, Garth  wrote:

> These boxes are so large that they go dimensional weight, meaning, over a
> certain size box you basically pay through the nose regardless of how much
> larger the box than what qualifies for dimensional(oversize) weight in the
> first place.  For example, my 59 Susie frame box is 53x11x35 and double
> boxed. The shipping label from Riv claimed 15 pounds or something like
> that. I weighed it on an  accurate scale and it was more like 25 pounds. At
> first thought that might be how Riv can send out frames so much cheaper
> than retail customers can, by udder labeling them.  Estimating the ship
> cost on Pirate Ship though, it didn't change the price at all from when I
> claim 15 or 25. This is retail of course, wholesale I can't speak to. I
> seriously doubt a whole bike box is going to be much more than an already
> oversized frame box.
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:37:45 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I see you are moving. Must be a complete.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Isaac Martin  wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody happen to have a box that a 59 clem or 60 platypus or
>> similar length bike was shipped in? Would you be so kind to measure it for
>> me?
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to source a box to move and don't want to get too large as I will
>> be paying by volume, and will obviously need one long enough to fit the
>> bike.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Piaw Na]

I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.

Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed 
tires: 
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>
> Chuck
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>
>> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently replaced 
>> with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the Albatross 
>> currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're looking at, but 
>> the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam that fit me (51) was 
>> 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but ended up selling that 
>> and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time (dragging kids 
>> around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). Sam is great, but 
>> didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely more sluggish in its 
>> handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I attribute most of that 
>> to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam 
>> vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go with the Sam for your use, 
>> 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone mentioned earlier!). 
>>
>> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
>> anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
>> the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
>> you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
>> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post 
>>> about iterating...  
>>> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
>>> make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
>>> awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 
>>>
>>> - Max "it's a journey" in A2
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Chuck,

 I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
 because of this:

 >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I 
 think it was too big for me.

 It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.

 In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of 
 choice. The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't 
 build a bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same 
 rider in the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 

 I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to 
 ride it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I 
 always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size 
 reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is 
 always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule 
 that if you put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips 
 should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on 
 frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) 
 Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) 
 ranges from 56 to 59 cm. 

 So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar 

Re: [RBW] Box Size for 59 Clem

[Garth]

These boxes are so large that they go dimensional weight, meaning, over a 
certain size box you basically pay through the nose regardless of how much 
larger the box than what qualifies for dimensional(oversize) weight in the 
first place.  For example, my 59 Susie frame box is 53x11x35 and double 
boxed. The shipping label from Riv claimed 15 pounds or something like 
that. I weighed it on an  accurate scale and it was more like 25 pounds. At 
first thought that might be how Riv can send out frames so much cheaper 
than retail customers can, by udder labeling them.  Estimating the ship 
cost on Pirate Ship though, it didn't change the price at all from when I 
claim 15 or 25. This is retail of course, wholesale I can't speak to. I 
seriously doubt a whole bike box is going to be much more than an already 
oversized frame box.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:37:45 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sorry, I see you are moving. Must be a complete.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 5, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Isaac Martin  wrote:
>
> Does anybody happen to have a box that a 59 clem or 60 platypus or 
> similar length bike was shipped in? Would you be so kind to measure it for 
> me?
>
>
>
> I need to source a box to move and don't want to get too large as I will 
> be paying by volume, and will obviously need one long enough to fit the 
> bike.
>
> Thanks! 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Bill Lindsay]

I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather 
themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes. 
 It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get. 
 There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are 
griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias.  All those nostalgic cyclists have 
bailed on Specialized entirely.  

What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want to 
exist.  If you like one and want to buy it, great.  If you don't like any 
of them and buy something else, that's also great.  They (Riv) does not 
care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on 
and pay their people a modest living wage.  They do not care about growth. 
 Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow. 
 They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan 
out making that many bikes.  That very limited number of bikes is always 
going to be "whatever they feel like making".  They count on the fact that 
somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them.  The 
bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else and/or 
have never been made before.  When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes 
like the Saluki didn't exist.  Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so 
Riv doesn't have to make them.  The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic 
for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If you 
want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, and 
be happy.  That's what Riv would tell you.  

The Roaduno is the classic, IMO.  They love the idea of a purpose built 3x1 
road bike.  Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding on their 
keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 road bike. 
 There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because they feel 
like it.  If you buy it, great.  If you don't, they hope you find something 
else that you do want to buy.  It's perfectly logical for you nostalgic 
Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and did a run of 
traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis"  Yep, they could have.  That's 
not what they felt like doing.  

My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv.  Seek out the 
bikes you like, buy them and ride them.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that is 
> as long as I need. 
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
>> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the 
>> Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I 
>> found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. 
>> This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the 
>> bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have 
>> available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter 
>> frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a 
>> regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my 
>> Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that 
>> situation.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[John Bokman]

Up grade is right! My family and I visited Vic last summer, and oh boy, 
there are some steep grades on that island. Didn't have my bike with me, 
but the trail system looked fantastic.

-John

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:20:31 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, John! And thanks, Ian! I love it here on the prairie although it's 
> hard not to think that a move to Vic will be at least a slight upgrade :)
> Mack 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-7 iwdbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’m so disappointed that I didn’t discover these videos until today! I’ve 
>> been living in southern Alberta for 4 years and I haven’t found much 
>> content that captures what it’s like to ride around here. Great videos.
>>
>> Ian 
>> Of Toronto, in Calgary, soon to be Victoria
>> On Monday 4 March 2024 at 16:35:06 UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic vids (Summer, Autumn, Winter)! Reminds me of riding in Western 
>>> Montana. Eager to see your spring Vid!
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland,OR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:02:34 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
 https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
 Happy Sunday,
 Mack


 On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:

> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
> Mack 
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch 
> wrote:
>
>> These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
>> want to go ride my bike.
>>
>> -stephen
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
>>> ," which in 
>>> southern alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still 
>>> falling, 
>>> something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
>>> also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
>>>  I took my poor 
>>> brother on at the end of September. 
>>> Mack
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
 world. 

 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:

> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
> cheers from Oz,
> Andrew
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hi people,
> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I 
> started watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that 
> it 
> would be fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the 
> idea 
> in the summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I 
> just 
> perched my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my 
> daily 
> rides in the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but 
> then 
> I thought that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the 
> sounds 
> that the season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my 
> atlantis, my joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
> Vid's here . Hope 
> you find it fun!
> Enjoy the rest of August,
> Mack 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Eric Daume]

My guess is that Grant thinks the long chainstays are the clear winner, so
why make a lesser design? (I completely understand they aren't a clear win
for everybody)

It's also a way to differentiate Riv products--there aren't that many long
chainstay bikes around.

Eric

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 11:56 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> I've groused about this before a bit, - it's more about the fact that I
> think that design characteristic is great for certain models, but doesn't
> need to be applied to the majority of the Rivendell lineup, IMO. As the
> owner of a Gus, I think it's great for that bike and it's intended purpose.
> It's extremely comfortable to ride, both on and especially off road. Same
> with Susie of course, and also Clems and Joes. What I can't understand is,
> instead of having two such similarly designed and equipped models as the
> Atlantis and Appaloosa, why not have just the Appaloosa be the long-stay
> version for those who want that feature in a touring-capable, all-purpose
> frame? I just don't understand this, given how they couldn't justify having
> both the Gus and the Susie / Wolbis and ended up discontinuing the Gus. At
> least with those models there was more distinct differences than I can find
> in the Atlantis and the Appaloosa. I think the venerated Atlantis should be
> returned to its more traditional touring frame geometry with stays that are
> closer in length to say, a Sam Hillborne.
>
> The super-long wheelbase does make traveling with, and storing the bike a
> lot more cumbersome. I understand how it affects the ride and handling of
> the bike, but to me, I'm not sure it is enough of a selling point to make
> me want to purchase any other Riv with long chainstays.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[J S]

I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that is
as long as I need.

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the
> Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I
> found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track.
> This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the
> bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have
> available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter
> frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a
> regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my
> Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that
> situation.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Mackenzy Albright]

for an upright bike I *love* the long chain stays on my Clementine for off 
road climbing and descending. I don't struggle much with technical riding - 
except it can be a little more hard to avoid certain roots or rocks. The 
29er tires eat that up though. 

I *do* miss having a short wheelbase nimble bike for more spirited riding. 
I would choose my Clem if I could only have one bike. I definitely prefer 
having a short wheelbase bike around though. 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:00:28 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the 
> Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I 
> found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. 
> This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the 
> bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have 
> available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter 
> frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a 
> regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my 
> Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that 
> situation.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
might work better with the longish top tubes. 

Chuck

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:

> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently replaced 
> with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the Albatross 
> currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're looking at, but 
> the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam that fit me (51) was 
> 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but ended up selling that 
> and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time (dragging kids 
> around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). Sam is great, but 
> didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely more sluggish in its 
> handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I attribute most of that 
> to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam 
> vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go with the Sam for your use, 
> 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone mentioned earlier!). 
>
> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
> anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
> the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
> you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>
>> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post 
>> about iterating...  
>> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
>> make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
>> awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 
>>
>> - Max "it's a journey" in A2
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>
>>> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
>>> because of this:
>>>
>>> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I 
>>> think it was too big for me.
>>>
>>> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.
>>>
>>> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of choice. 
>>> The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't build a 
>>> bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same rider in 
>>> the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 
>>>
>>> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to 
>>> ride it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I 
>>> always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size 
>>> reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is 
>>> always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule 
>>> that if you put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips 
>>> should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on 
>>> frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) 
>>> Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) 
>>> ranges from 56 to 59 cm. 
>>>
>>> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length should 
>>> be, and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, and the 
>>> thought has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. For 
>>> my 6 ft height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for the 
>>> Roadini, and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my size, and 
>>> the stem would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country 
>>> (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm 
>>> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm Paselas, 
>>> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no reason 
>>> to go wide on asphalt.
>>>
>>> To buy any bicycle:
>>> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target roads 
>>> and routes.
>>> - decide if you'll mount 

Re: [RBW] Box Size for 59 Clem

[Richard Rose]

Sorry, I see you are moving. Must be a complete.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 5, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Isaac Martin  wrote:Does anybody happen to have a box that a 59 clem or 60 platypus or similar length bike was shipped in? Would you be so kind to measure it for me?I need to source a box to move and don't want to get too large as I will be paying by volume, and will obviously need one long enough to fit the bike.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Damien]

I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently replaced 
with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the Albatross 
currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're looking at, but 
the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam that fit me (51) was 
650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but ended up selling that 
and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time (dragging kids 
around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). Sam is great, but 
didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely more sluggish in its 
handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I attribute most of that 
to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam 
vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go with the Sam for your use, 
42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone mentioned earlier!). 

I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post about 
> iterating...  
> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
> make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
> awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 
>
> - Max "it's a journey" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
>> because of this:
>>
>> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think 
>> it was too big for me.
>>
>> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.
>>
>> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of choice. 
>> The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't build a 
>> bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same rider in 
>> the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 
>>
>> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to 
>> ride it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I 
>> always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size 
>> reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is 
>> always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule 
>> that if you put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips 
>> should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on 
>> frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) 
>> Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) 
>> ranges from 56 to 59 cm. 
>>
>> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length should be, 
>> and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, and the thought 
>> has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. For my 6 ft 
>> height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for the Roadini, 
>> and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my size, and the stem 
>> would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes.
>>
>> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country 
>> (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm 
>> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm Paselas, 
>> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no reason 
>> to go wide on asphalt.
>>
>> To buy any bicycle:
>> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target roads 
>> and routes.
>> - decide if you'll mount fenders. 
>> - now look at the frames that will accomodate the first criteria, and see 
>> if you can find your size.
>>
>> It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or Raleigh is the 
>> way to find your setup... most of the parts will move right over, plus it's 
>> fun.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Jay Lonner]

I think the real use case for using a dynohub while bikepacking is to keep USB accessories topped up. Yes yes, one should try to unplug while in the wilderness etc., but being able to access .gpx files or use routefinding apps like Ride With GPS is clearly synergistic with the traditional map/compass/cue sheets.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Mar 5, 2024, at 9:06 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:I don't backpack, so a dynamo is unnecessary.Although I am certainly glad to have it, the bike I use the most for bikepacking is probably the one I use my dynamo light on the least. Probably because on multi-day trips, I rarely find myself biking through the darkness for long periods of time. Typically, I am riding most of the daytime, and usually am at camp (or wherever) well before the sun sets. I find a dynamo setup to be incredibly practical for those bikes you hop on the most, for anything and everything; commuting or traveling on streets with traffic, riding around with friends at night, etc.Ok, sorry to go off-topic!On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 11:37:44 AM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:Rear Cliffhanger on my Gus is built with this Bitex hub. It’s been very good for the first 2k miles.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 4, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at quality and price but with zero hyper around them.On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and the bike) are ready!On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity Dyads.For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable and reasonably cheap.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Brian Turner]

*I don't backpack, so a dynamo is unnecessary.*

Although I am certainly glad to have it, the bike I use the most for 
bikepacking is probably the one I use my dynamo light on the least. 
Probably because on multi-day trips, I rarely find myself biking through 
the darkness for long periods of time. Typically, I am riding most of the 
daytime, and usually am at camp (or wherever) well before the sun sets. I 
find a dynamo setup to be incredibly practical for those bikes you hop on 
the most, for anything and everything; commuting or traveling on streets 
with traffic, riding around with friends at night, etc.

Ok, sorry to go off-topic!

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 11:37:44 AM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:

> Rear Cliffhanger on my Gus is built with this Bitex hub. It’s been very 
> good for the first 2k miles.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
> very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
> quality and price but with zero hyper around them.
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
>> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and the 
>> bike) are ready!
>>
>> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
>>> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
 wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.

 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity 
> Dyads.
> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
> and reasonably cheap.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Tim Bantham]

I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the Clem 
I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I 
found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. 
This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the 
bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have 
available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter 
frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a 
regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my 
Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that 
situation.


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[RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Brian Turner]

I've groused about this before a bit, - it's more about the fact that I 
think that design characteristic is great for certain models, but doesn't 
need to be applied to the majority of the Rivendell lineup, IMO. As the 
owner of a Gus, I think it's great for that bike and it's intended purpose. 
It's extremely comfortable to ride, both on and especially off road. Same 
with Susie of course, and also Clems and Joes. What I can't understand is, 
instead of having two such similarly designed and equipped models as the 
Atlantis and Appaloosa, why not have just the Appaloosa be the long-stay 
version for those who want that feature in a touring-capable, all-purpose 
frame? I just don't understand this, given how they couldn't justify having 
both the Gus and the Susie / Wolbis and ended up discontinuing the Gus. At 
least with those models there was more distinct differences than I can find 
in the Atlantis and the Appaloosa. I think the venerated Atlantis should be 
returned to its more traditional touring frame geometry with stays that are 
closer in length to say, a Sam Hillborne.

The super-long wheelbase does make traveling with, and storing the bike a 
lot more cumbersome. I understand how it affects the ride and handling of 
the bike, but to me, I'm not sure it is enough of a selling point to make 
me want to purchase any other Riv with long chainstays.

Brian
Lex KY


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Re: [RBW] Box Size for 59 Clem

[Richard Rose]

Frame set or complete? This is the box my 57 Gus frame/fork came in. I feel certain a 59 would fit - there was ample room.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 5, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Isaac Martin  wrote:Does anybody happen to have a box that a 59 clem or 60 platypus or similar length bike was shipped in? Would you be so kind to measure it for me?I need to source a box to move and don't want to get too large as I will be paying by volume, and will obviously need one long enough to fit the bike.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Richard Rose]

Rear Cliffhanger on my Gus is built with this Bitex hub. It’s been very good for the first 2k miles.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 4, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at quality and price but with zero hyper around them.On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and the bike) are ready!On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity Dyads.For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable and reasonably cheap.



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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[Mack Penner]

Thanks, John! And thanks, Ian! I love it here on the prairie although it's 
hard not to think that a move to Vic will be at least a slight upgrade :)
Mack 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-7 iwdbu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’m so disappointed that I didn’t discover these videos until today! I’ve 
> been living in southern Alberta for 4 years and I haven’t found much 
> content that captures what it’s like to ride around here. Great videos.
>
> Ian 
> Of Toronto, in Calgary, soon to be Victoria
> On Monday 4 March 2024 at 16:35:06 UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Fantastic vids (Summer, Autumn, Winter)! Reminds me of riding in Western 
>> Montana. Eager to see your spring Vid!
>>
>> John
>> Portland,OR
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:02:34 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
>>> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
>>> Happy Sunday,
>>> Mack
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
 Mack 

 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
> want to go ride my bike.
>
> -stephen
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
> wrote:
>
>> For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
>> ," which in 
>> southern alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still 
>> falling, 
>> something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
>> also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
>>  I took my poor 
>> brother on at the end of September. 
>> Mack
>>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
>>> world. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>>
 Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
 cheers from Oz,
 Andrew

 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
 penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 


 Hi people,
 I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I 
 started watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that 
 it 
 would be fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the 
 idea 
 in the summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I 
 just 
 perched my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my 
 daily 
 rides in the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but 
 then 
 I thought that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the 
 sounds 
 that the season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my 
 atlantis, my joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
 Vid's here . Hope you 
 find it fun!
 Enjoy the rest of August,
 Mack 

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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Patch T]

Lots of great recommendations for hubs at different price points, so I'll 
leave that point alone.

iwritela mentions: *I don't backpack, so a dynamo is unnecessary.*

I'm sure iwritela knows this and wrote something else - but you don't have 
to backpack or bikepack in order to justify a dynamo set up. Not all of my 
bikes have or need dynamo lighting set-ups, but those that do are not all 
bike-packers (or even tourers) neither. It's just wonderful always-having a 
front light; mine live on the bikes I go to when I want a big ride with no 
planned finish, where the possibility of staying out past late-afternoon is 
likely. And having a dynamo set-up has encouraged me to get out and ride at 
night on the occasion I've had the itch.

Perhaps OP already has a dynamo setup and knows all of this, in which case 
please disregard.

Patch in Oakland

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> I'd appreciate some recommendations for a new hub for my Appaloosa. I 
> don't backpack, so a dynamo is unnecessary. I'm leaning towards a Paul hub 
> because of its minimalist aesthetic, but if there's a hub you all love, 
> please let me know! Thanks.

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[RBW] Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[J S]

I tried an Atlantis but was not enamored. Sold it and got a Hillborne which 
I love but still not as much as my finally found Saluki but like it a lot. 
I am probably in the minority here but I know there must be others who 
share my sentiments. I have had so many Rivs, 2 roads, one custom when they 
were custom Roads, Ram, Saluki, Bleriot, Atlantis, AR. I know I am leaving 
some out but you get the picture. The shorter wheelbase suits me well and 
is easier to manage bringing it into my sunroom and basement. 

Not meant to offend anyone, just my preference. 

Joel

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Max S]

Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post about 
iterating...  
IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 

- Max "it's a journey" in A2

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
> because of this:
>
> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think 
> it was too big for me.
>
> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.
>
> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of choice. 
> The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't build a 
> bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same rider in 
> the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 
>
> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to ride 
> it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I always 
> use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size reference. 
> The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is always the 
> same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule that if you 
> put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips should just 
> reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on frames ranging 
> from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) Cannondale 
> ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) ranges from 56 
> to 59 cm. 
>
> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length should be, 
> and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, and the thought 
> has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. For my 6 ft 
> height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for the Roadini, 
> and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my size, and the stem 
> would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes.
>
> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country 
> (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm 
> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm Paselas, 
> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no reason 
> to go wide on asphalt.
>
> To buy any bicycle:
> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target roads 
> and routes.
> - decide if you'll mount fenders. 
> - now look at the frames that will accomodate the first criteria, and see 
> if you can find your size.
>
> It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or Raleigh is the 
> way to find your setup... most of the parts will move right over, plus it's 
> fun.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Mathias Steiner]

Hi Chuck,

I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
because of this:

>> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think 
it was too big for me.

It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.

In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of choice. 
The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't build a 
bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same rider in 
the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 

I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to ride 
it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I always 
use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size reference. 
The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is always the 
same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule that if you 
put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips should just 
reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on frames ranging 
from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) Cannondale 
ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) ranges from 56 
to 59 cm. 

So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length should be, 
and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, and the thought 
has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. For my 6 ft 
height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for the Roadini, 
and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my size, and the stem 
would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes.

For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country 
(mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm 
GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm Paselas, 
which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no reason 
to go wide on asphalt.

To buy any bicycle:
- decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target roads 
and routes.
- decide if you'll mount fenders. 
- now look at the frames that will accomodate the first criteria, and see 
if you can find your size.

It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or Raleigh is the way 
to find your setup... most of the parts will move right over, plus it's fun.

cheers -mathias



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[RBW] Box Size for 59 Clem

[Isaac Martin]

Does anybody happen to have a box that a 59 clem or 60 platypus or similar 
length bike was shipped in? Would you be so kind to measure it for me?

I need to source a box to move and don't want to get too large as I will be 
paying by volume, and will obviously need one long enough to fit the bike.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[ascpgh]

Wow, what a great trip!

When I read ride reports I often drift into amazement at the landscapes so 
foreign (or just alien) to my regular environs. Part of the adventure is 
simply facing the unusual or unknown and turning that first pedal stroke. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:19:20 PM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Map: 
> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>
> Total miles: ~165 miles 
> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>
> *Intro: *
>
> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- Echo-Titus 
> Canyon , but Titus 
> Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), so we were 
> looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added Rhyolite Canyon 
>  from the Dirty 
> Freehub.
>
>  
>
> *Bicycles*
>
> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing SK 
> Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>
> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
> tires)
>
> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>
>  
>
> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
> Total Miles: 46
> Average Speed 8.6mph
>
> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing campground 
> and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, hot showers, 
> picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if you stay here. 
>
> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The 
> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how 
> it will be the entire trip.
>
> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
> patched it up and moved on. 
>
> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the 
> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>
> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric 
> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area. 
> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending 
> the whole day by ourselves. 
>
> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained 
> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as 
> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us 
> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the 
> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate 
> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>
>
> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>
> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
> Max Speed: 34.5mph
> Average: 8.7mph
>
> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so we 
> decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. The 
> road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, and 
> many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not 
> disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored 
> thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that 
> Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just 
> climbed a very difficult 1500 feet, we opted to skip it.
>
> We thought we were going to be golden once we got to the turnoff to go 
> down, but the decent from Chloride City road is difficult. Thank goodness 
> it was downhill because otherwise we would have had to push our bicycles 
> 50% more. It was extremely sandy and only the cars with the fattest of 
> tires would be safe driving this path.
>
> Once we hit Daylight Pass Road it was jarring to *fly* down pavement to 
> Hells Gate Viewpoint (my max speed was almost 35 mph and I’m sure I pumped 
> the breaks). We snapped a few photos then turned left and went down Beatty 
> Cutoff Road. Again, we would fly down this road (dropping 2500 feet!) 
> hitting Highway 190.
>
> Riding on Highway 190 wasn’t the greatest with 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[larson....@gmail.com]

Luke,
I must have missed the fact that the Atlantis will be available. It was not 
listed on frame schedule. To the OP, I think a Hillborne would be a fine 
road bike if speed is not a priority.
Randy in WI

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:34:54 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> John, brakes are Ultegra. Light action, yet lots of power. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?
>>
>> -John
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>>>
>>> Epiphany! 
>>>
>>> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
>>> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
 I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
 great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
 tires.
 Mike SLO CA
 On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
>>> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
>>> (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
 with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
 rides 
 at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily 
 to 
 what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and 
 that 
 means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can 
 anyone 
 suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
 comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
 choice, 
 or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, 
 though I 
 haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
 (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big 
 for me. 
 I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
 size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
 bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
 rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
 was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
 riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type 
 of riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

 Chuck

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