[RBW] Shiny front derailleur for 42/28 Silver crankset

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So, I just found out that the few months I thought I had to firm up parts 
for an upcoming Riv-inspired Inglis/Retrotec custom is a little shorter 
than that.  When I got a call last week, it was to inform me that I was #2 
on the build list, and #1 wasn't returning calls.  Sounds like I need to 
figure out a few things in short order!  

I want to run a Silver 42/28 crankset but not sure what to use for front 
shifting duties.  I've used a Suntour Cyclone to shift a 28/45/50 in the 
past but am not sure that's the best option.  Maybe a derailleur intended 
for MTB use would be better?

The key other criteria I can think of are that I would prefer at least some 
shiny parts.  Pure black modern components are a non-starter.  I will have 
either an XT or XTR on the rear, both with a mix of black and silver, so a 
little mix on the front is OK.  I'm going to be shifting with Microshift 
thumbies.  They use friction on the front, so no worries about indexing.  
It's just a question of which derailleur is most likely to move the chain 
in the smoothest way.  Any suggestions?

Thanks all!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

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I'll agree with others, that is a very nice looking Atlantis!  Which model 
of XTR derailleur are you using?   I thought most of the earlier XTR 
derailleurs were grey, but that definitely looks shiny.   I have been 
hunting for a silver rear derailleur for a custom build, and new ones are 
pretty hard to come by.  Everything that will shift a broader range now 
only seems to come in black. I just found out yesterday that I am #2 in 
line, and #1 is not returning calls, so finding some key parts just became 
more urgent.  That might work if I can find one!
Thanks!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:13:27 AM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I think it’s a 40/24 setup with a 11/32 cassette. This was my first ride 
> in this configuration and it might be too low for me. I spend a lot of time 
> in the top 1/3 of the gear range. The low gears were nice for the hills 
> though. 
>
> The housing I’m using I got from Velo Orange. It looks nice. It works. I’m 
> not sure it’s better than Jagwire. 
>
> I am fighting with the front fender rattling. I suspect I need to put some 
> helicopter tape under the fender stays between the fender and the stays. 
> Driving me nuts. Should have gone for a more expensive stainless fender. 
> These cheaper aluminum ones don’t feel as nice as the Berthouds I had on 
> the Surly. 
>
> The XTR drivetrain is sweet. It’s my first time running a rapid rise with 
> friction. I like it. I can see why GP is a fan. Looking forward to the 
> Silver Derailleur. 
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 8:59 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> Hi Eliot,
>>
>> What a difference of change you made to your bike !  Excellent job. You 
>> are matching the black from the handlebars all the way down to the feet of 
>> the double kickstand. Very nice.
>>
>> XTR drive train - very cool
>>
>> What is your inner chain ring count ?
>>
>> That cable housing you are using... is it any better than the standard 
>> Jagwire housing ?
>>
>> Suggest buying some helicopter tape for your drive train chain stay 
>> underneath your protective piece of rubber ?
>> This is what I bought for my Clem. I am very happy with the product. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ISC-Racers-Tape-HT2128-Transparent/dp/B000TPC7HU/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2NJT0GPDH55NS=ISC%2BRacers%2BTape%2BHT2128%2BISC%2BRacerstape%2BSurface%2BProtection%2BTape%2B%2F%2BHelicopter%2BTape=1695268525=isc%2Bracers%2Btape%2Bht2128%2Bisc%2Bracerstape%2Bsurface%2Bprotection%2Btape%2B%2F%2Bhelicopter%2Btape%2Caps%2C213=8-1=1
>>
>> Looking good on that hill overlooking the water...
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:41:31 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Much better. New Album:  https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAVscy
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

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That's a really nice setup! I was surprised by the brakes, too.  I thought 
at first glance that those were from a fancy independent maker, like Paul.  
I didn't remember the Campy MTB cantis being that machined/CNC'd looking. 
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 7:53:48 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow that Heron is deluxe as hell! 
>
> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Another local sale only and no mention of Rivendell in the ad: 
>>
>> 56 Heron $2,650 in Adrian Michigan
>>
>>
>> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/adrian-heron-by-waterford/7659634840.html
>>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> PSA
>>> There’s a beautiful silver 60 Bombadil on the FB group. Lots of bling 
>>> asking is $4,800 in the Pacific NW (local sale only)
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Just reposted on the list by our mutual friend Jason for $1750, too low 
>>> IMO.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:30 PM Paul Clifton  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a 
 proxy. Listed on Craigslist now: 
 https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html

 Paul in AR


 On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor my 
> size:
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086
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[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ted, maybe I should reconsider Sidis?  I had a pair 15+ years ago that I 
never gelled with.  My feet have changed since, so I should be open 
minded.  The great part is that availability is about to become less of an 
issue.  QBP has picked up distribution:  QBP takes over US distribution of 
Sidi shoes | Bicycle Retailer and Industry News 

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:08:33 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> I started with the Lakes, which are very good. But after some trial and 
> error (and a spat of ordering 7 different shoes shipped to home and 
> returning 6), I’ve settled on the Sidi’s. Not the classic leather look by 
> any stretch, but wider than the widest Lake’s by my feet and feel. 
>
> Pluses for Lake…less expensive, easier to buy (US based mfg website and 
> warehouse), great customer service, great shoes. 
>
> Finding the right size and model from Sidi can be interesting at times. 
> Their US distribution seems….challenged.
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:00:12 PM UTC-5 Kurt Henry wrote:
>
>> Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though 
>> not overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of 
>> wearing exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and 
>> Altras, and wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet 
>> won't tolerate shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst 
>> offenders and cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, 
>> even 'wide' cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't 
>> generally comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a 
>> grain of salt.
>>
>> Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape at 
>> the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, making 
>> minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of those on 
>> i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut it for 
>> me.  
>>
>> I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's Sport 
>> and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but still 
>> come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though.  The 
>> Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of volume 
>> through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has 
>> also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort 
>> Plus Last 
>> ).  They 
>> might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the mountain 
>> version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but the fit is 
>> really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some of the 'foot 
>> shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they might be an option.
>>
>> Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have 
>> modified based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the 
>> S-Works Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com 
>> ).  I ordered a pair last week 
>> that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have more 
>> volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a half-length 
>> insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's a...pretty good... 
>> fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if the fit is not just 
>> right.
>>
>> Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR 
>> )
>>  
>> that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that 
>> should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.
>>
>> Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair of 
>> those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, PA
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
>>> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
>>> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 
>>>
>>> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into 
>>> one of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page 
>>>  says they aren't designed for wide 
>>> or "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that 
>>> accommodate serious width? 
>>>
>>> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though 
>>> I don't have any first-hand 

[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though not 
overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of wearing 
exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and Altras, and 
wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet won't tolerate 
shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst offenders and 
cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, even 'wide' 
cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't generally 
comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a grain of salt.

Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape at 
the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, making 
minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of those on 
i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut it for 
me.  

I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's Sport 
and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but still 
come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though.  The 
Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of volume 
through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has 
also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort Plus 
Last ).  
They might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the 
mountain version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but 
the fit is really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some 
of the 'foot shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they might 
be an option.

Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have modified 
based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the S-Works 
Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com 
).  I ordered a pair last week 
that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have more 
volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a half-length 
insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's a...pretty good... 
fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if the fit is not just 
right.

Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR 
)
 
that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that 
should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.

Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair of 
those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.

Good luck!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 
>
> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into one 
> of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page 
>  says they aren't designed for wide or 
> "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that 
> accommodate serious width? 
>
> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I 
> don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well. 
> According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp 
> Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference. 
>
> The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox 
> available anywhere else are made in China. 
>
> Stop Lox official 
> Stop Lox at Ron's Bikes 
> 
>
> William Lennon  
> in Derbyshire offers classic leather cycling shoes, but they're designed 
> with flat soles for traditional toe clips. I don't see any wide offerings. 
>
> Steel Vintage Bikes 
>  in Berlin 
> offers a few nice leather options with flat soles. Doesn't seem they're for 
> wide feet, either. 
>
> If you have any recs or tips let's hear them! 
>

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[RBW] Toyo Atlantis fit question, and maybe purchase help

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A recent thread about the red 58cm Toyo Atlantis for sale in the Bay Area 
(https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html)
 
has brought back an old desire to have an early Atlantis.  It's a model 
I've looked at for years but never pulled the trigger.  So that brings me 
to my two questions.

First, I should fit according to the brochure.  I'm 5'10" and run a 75cm 
saddle height, which is the very bottom edge of a 58cm from that era.  The 
58.5 top tube would normally give me pause (~34/35" sleeve length) but I 
want to run it with flat bars, as the red one is currently set up.  That 
should help with the top tube length.  Has anyone of my rough dimensions 
ridden a 58cm Toyo and can comment on their experience?

Unless someone comes out of the last question screaming, "Danger, Will 
Robinson" we move to my second question: is there a Rivver in the Bay Area 
that would be willing to check it out for me, hand over the payment, and 
drop it at a local shop that I could work with to pack and ship it?  I'm in 
Pennsylvania and they state 'no shipping' in the ad.  I'm happy to 
reimburse you for the trouble.

Thanks everyone!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Rosco Bubbe Road f/f 58cm

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you, Gabe, but in the interest of giving credit where it is due, I 
didn't build it up.  It came from Bill Lindsay.  Bill has a great eye for 
builds.  All I added was the front rack and basket, which replaced the one 
he had on but wanted to keep.  It's definitely one of the bike related 
purchase decisions I don't regret.  There have been plenty on the other 
side the equation!

That said, I'll echo another poster - your build looks like an enormous 
amount of fun!

Thanks!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA
On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:58:53 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Hey Kurt, yes, that is the model I was looking for.  I really dig that 
> build!  Mine is not set up road-y either.  I have been into riding trails 
> on fixed gears lately, so that is how I set up mine.  It is a total blast!
>
> [image: IMG_1397.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:04:37 PM UTC-6 Kurt Henry wrote:
>
>> I think this is the style Gabriel had in mind and picked up.  It's the 
>> blue version from the Riv update he linked. It doesn't look very "road-y" 
>> as it's setup today, but I'm seriously considering moving my previous 
>> errand runner back into service and converting this to drop bars.  And I'm 
>> envious of Joe's MMM!  Those look like SO much fun.  I saw one for sale a 
>> couple of years ago that lingered on craigslist.  I just...couldn't...swing 
>> it... at the time.  Ah well, maybe I'll end up with another 650b Riv at 
>> some point.
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, PA
>> [image: Rosco Bubbe.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 11:23:59 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Photo please! I've never seen a Rosco Bubbe Road!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:07:47 AM UTC-7 Gabriel Bruguier 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 @Joe:  I didn't have to keep the faith for long!  Last weekend another 
 list member contacted me that he had one he could move on, it arrived this 
 morning, and I built it up and rode it into the office today!!!  I'm over 
 the moon!  This time I won't let it go.  

 Good catch on the Rosco MTN. I had my eye on one of those too.  Looking 
 forward to seeing your build.  
 -Gabe

>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 26" Riv Frame for 5'4 rider

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Hi Mike,

If you're transferring parts, I'm guessing that you're more interested in a 
frame and fork.  But if a complete might be an option, I recently listed an 
almost unused 45cm Clem L.  I didn't put up a main for sale post, I just 
mentioned it on the running craigslist thread.  I should probably amend 
that.  But anyhow, if a complete might be an option: 

2020 Rivendell Clem L 45cm (Small) - bicycles - by owner - bike sale 
(craigslist.org) 


Thanks!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:29:45 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My partner finally gave the green light to upgrade her current commuter 
> with a more purpose built frame. She's currently riding a 1993 MB-1 
> (smallest size offered), with Jones bars, dynamo wheels, rear rack, fenders 
> etc. At the same time, our son is also getting into MTBing and she wants a 
> MTB to ride with him. I'm planning to build her current MB-1 frame into a 
> dedicated mtb for her and port over all the components from her current 
> build to a more suitable frame. Specifically, I'm excited to get her 
> something with longer chainstays and a kickstand plate. Her priorities are 
> to use as many of the existing parts from her current build on this new 
> build, meaning mainly that I'm sticking with 26" wheels.
>
> Anyone have a small Atlantis or Appaloosa (or any other 26" size Riv 
> frame) available? I've been scouring the internet, ebay, CL, etc. and 
> coming up short.
>
> Thanks!
> Mike in MPLS
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

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I just listed a Clem L for sale as well, so I borrowed some copy from the 
ad in Berkeley.  Mine's a 45cm, though, and pretty much unridden (<10 
miles).  It doesn't seem to have posted yet when I searched craigslist but 
the link from the email is here ( 2020 Rivendell Clem L 45cm (Small) - 
bicycles - by owner - bike sale (craigslist.org) 

  
).  I didn't borrow the quote from Leah about the paint color but am hoping 
that she can work her 'mixte match maker' magic!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA
On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 11:40:17 PM UTC-4 Slin wrote:

> Wow, this Clem L 52cm in Berkeley look great. $1700 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7540704270.html
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 5:18:30 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I thought the frame looked like it was in nice shape
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:35:52 AM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As that forest green All Rounder comes with a lot of extras -- front and 
>>> rear Nitto Camping racks, Son dynamo front wheel plus original front wheel, 
>>> and a pile of parts and accessories I think it is not a bad deal -- the 
>>> $3000 is an asking price -- one might do better -- at $2500 that package is 
>>> well worth it, IMHO, and at $3000 it is still not that bad -- given that 
>>> custom Riv frames are now $5000+ and a Taiwan Riv frameset other than a 
>>> Clem is $1700-1900 this not a bottom-feeding bargain, but if were the right 
>>> size and someone was looking for a great riding classic Riv this would be 
>>> hard to match -- and it looks like it has had very little use. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:28:49 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Joe, you’re probably right that it is a 52 and the owner was measuring 
 c-c or something. If it were closer to a 54-55 size I’d be inclined to try 
 to negotiate a more reasonable price. That bike looks like it could use 
 some love.

 On Sep 25, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:

 

 The $3,000 AR is a 51cm. I reached out to the seller since she’s in my 
 neck of the woods. I’m sure it’s a nice Riv for a project bike, but I 
 agree 
 it’s got too much going against it to fetch that asking price.

 On Sep 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Ryan  wrote:

 I confess mine has "Ryan Fleming" on it. My vanity would almost 
 certainly discount the price...if I was going to sell it. My heirs' 
 problem, not mine. Saddle level with a Pearl stem. Moustache bars. I'm 
 still OK with that position and it's still a lovely bike...my issue is 
 with 
 the accursed Compass McClure tires I replaced the perfectly fine Pasela 
 26" 
 X 1.5"  tires with   ...an upgrade that really wasn't necessary.

 On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 3:03:10 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yeah that AR looks like the 52cm I had, which also had the dreaded 
> owner's name on the toptube..not the most brilliant idea in early 
> Rivland. 
> $3000 is uh optimistic, there's a 50cm on Ebay that started there and 
> is now down to $2000 with no takers. They're nice production bikes with 
> beautiful paint and graphics but I think the low-ish bar heights 
> available 
> with them are a struggle for current Riv Riders. 
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:46:48 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> First one is a Waterford-built All-rounder. Same color as mine. Looks 
>> like it wasn't ridden so much
>>
>> I don't have a FB account but I downloaded the screen shot and saw 
>> the 531 decal ...and the lugs. $3000.00. Too much? Someone might want to 
>> cover over owner's initials , which was an option at the time. Nice 
>> bike. 
>> 26" wheels? Looks like a sub 56cm size but just guessing
>>
>> Haven't ridden mine much lately , but I'm loath to part with it.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:25:06 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> SAM $2400
>>> 51m
>>> Portland 
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-bicycle-works-sam/7536289932.html
>>>
>>> Romulus $1550
>>> 57cm
>>> Seattle
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bik/7530803930.html
>>>
>>> Bleriot  $1950
>>> 55 cm
>>> Seattle
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/7518207928.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:30:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rivendell Touring
 No size listed
 $3,000 
 Lexington, KY 


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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Handsome laptop-sized pannier

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I tried a number of different options commuting with a laptop years back. 
My favorite by far was the now discontinued Ariel briefcase. There is one 
on eBay but it is well worn. That would be my recommendation if you can 
find one. Attachment is typical Arkel, so rock solid. I think the rain 
cover hides underneath. Once you use the flap to cover the hardware on the 
back it is indistinguishable from a regular laptop bag. I carried it into 
numerous meetings and no one recognized it as a bike bag unless I showed 
them the hardware.  Plenty of pockets to keep things organized and it has 
straps to cinch it down for the ride.
Kurt Henry
Lancaster PA


On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:30:21 PM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Been on the hunt for this for a while but as I’m commuting to the office a 
> few days a week I figured I’d ask around. Does anyone make a 
> briefcase-style pannier?
>
> Currently using a classic Ortlieb pannier but looking for something a 
> little less sporting and unwieldy (often I will go out after work and I 
> hate shlepping this bag around).
>
> Doesn’t have to be anything fancy, leather would be nice but not a 
> dealbreaker. Most important factor is the mounting hardware, I need 
> something stable. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot complete, $2500

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

J, really cool bike! You mention that the Cheviot feels stretched out for 
you. How tall are you? I’m right on the line between the given sizing for 
the 55 and 60. I think I’m close to Grant’s size (5’10” with a 75cm saddle 
height), and I know he rides a 60cm. But I’m curious if you’re in the same 
range and still feeling stretched.
Thanks!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster PA 

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:41:22 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> it's been two weeks so I'm bumping again and dropping the price
>
> $2115 for the compete Cheviot + shipping from 12401
> $1100 for the frameset + shipping from 12401
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 2:53:03 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings 
>> I've had a lot of interest in this complete Chev as well as just for the 
>> frameset but no sale has been made yet.
>> So I'm going to drop the price:
>>
>> $2225 for the complete  bike + shipping 
>> $1195 for the frameset 
>>
>> contact me with any questions 
>> thanks
>> JS
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 6:13:19 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Bump on this
>>> Will consider selling Frameset only 
>>> thanks
>>> js
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 6:54:43 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>
 FS: Cheviot complete 60cm 

 [image: IMG_3552.JPG]

  [image: IMG_2800 2.jpg]

 Here’s a trailish ready big Chev for sale

  

 Frameset purchased from Justin on this list who bought it from Riv

 I built it up and have ridden for about a year and a half but have come 
 to the conclusion that it’s just too big for me 

 Even with the Toscos I'm too spread out.

 Otherwise I love this thing


 It’s set up as a sort of off-roady mixte tourer

  

 60cm metallic blue framset, plenty of beausage but in great shape

 (some scrapes, rubs, etc, here and there, no dents or problems)

  

 BB – stock

 Headset – stock 

 Seatpost – stock 

 Crankset – vintage Sugino “ML” triple , 110/74 175mm length , grey 
 anodized arms

 Chainrings - 42 black outer, 35 silver alu middle, 26 polished steel 
 inner

 Pedals – original grip kings 

 Chain – SRAM , 9 speed

 Cassette – 9 speed 12-36 Shimano HG400

 Front der – IRD Alpina on IRD clamp

 Rear der – Shimano Altus ...the LX in the pictures is no longer on the 
 bike

 Front Wheel – Shimano dynohub laced to Velocity Synergy, wheelsmith 
 db14 spokes , 36h

 Rear Wheel – Shimano XT (m770) hub laced to Velocity Synergy, 
 wheelsmith db14 spokes 36h

 Tires – Contenental Race King 700 x 2.0 on tubes 

 Front brake – Paul centerpull , silver

 Rear brake – Tektro long pull 

 Brake levers – Tektro RL520 

 Stem – nitto quill adapter, Nitto threadless “hi riser” from Riv, 110mm

 Bars – Riv Tosco , 600mm

 No saddle, No bags or racks include 


 I can ship correctly from my local shop (Riv Dealer)

 shipping at your expense

 Bike is located in New York...Hudson Valley 

 Can meet in NYC if necessary 

 Thank you




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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This one is mine.  I figured I'd go ahead and put it in the thread.  I hope 
that's not a foul!  I have it on Craigslist as $3,000, but $2,800 for in 
the family.  I'm happy to drop at a local shop to have them pack it if 
you're out of town.  But if you're in the region around Lancaster, PA 
(Baltimore/DC, Philly, Pittsburgh, up into NY state, etc.) drop me a line.  
The previous owner was kind enough to meet me halfway between here and 
Philly when I bought it, so I'd like to extend the same courtesy.  It's 
been a great bike for my son, but he grew somewhere in the neighborhood of 
4 inches in the last year, mostly in the past few months.  He's now taller 
than me (gulp...) so time to size up!
2016 Rivendell Joe Appaloosa 51cm - bicycles - by owner - bike sale 
(craigslist.org) 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Your lockable commuter thread

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, I apologize for the delay.  I don't use my laptop often and I was 
having trouble replying from my phone with the new version of google 
groups. Yes, those are Nitto/Fairweather Bullmoose bars for threadless 
setups. As for cruising gear, that's a good question.  I suspect in the 
60-65" range, as that's what I've run fixed and single speed in the past.  
It's hard to specify a cruising gear with this, though, as I've commonly 
either been pushed along as my trailer catches the wind one way, or held 
back by it the other.  As far as my position, I find that I'm a bit more 
weighted toward my hands than I might like, but my trips are usually a 
couple/few miles each way, so not a concern.  It's definitely comfortable 
enough for grocery runs or quick errands.
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA USA

On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 7:43:07 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> When I see such bikes -- very appealing; a modern and much better 
> re-invention of the Raleigh Sport, of which I've owned at least 3 -- I 
> think again about turning the 2003 Curt 26" wheel Riv Road custom into an 
> upright, tourist-type bar, B 67-type saddle cruiser with the abandoned fork 
> from the new Chauncey; and now that I have received the 1.8" RH Naches Pass 
> ELs that are tubeless compatible, I dream about finding a pair of 26" 
> tubeless rims [I let a pair get away, alas] and install these tires on 
> them, with an SP dynohub in front and either a 2 speed kickback or that 
> annoyingly otherwise unusable S3X hub (52 X 15 X 25.6" wheel = 89" direct 
> 3rd/high -- for downhills to avoid the effect of the hub's lash; 66" 
> underdrive 2nd for cruising; and 55" underdrive 1st for hills not too steep 
> to require walking) on the rear wheel; this because the new Chauncey AM-hub 
> bike just works so well with the 28 mm (labeld 32 mm) Elk Passes that I'm 
> reluctant to mess with it by installing fatter tires. And it's not as if 
> skinny 26" X 42 mm tires at a rock hard 40 psi are going to work well on 
> the deep sandy patches that my 700C X 61.5 (just measured one yestiddy: 
> 61.48 mm) at 20 psi roll over so well.
>
> My immediate solution to the dilemma is to procrastinate ... But all y'all 
> thoughts welcome.
>
> In particular, I wonder about the bar. I find all bars -- I've used a very 
> fair selection, including well over half a dozen dirt drop types -- except 
> road-type drop bars uncomfortable after just a few miles, but I wonder if I 
> simply need to be more radical in re-thinking my riding position. For a 
> Bosco bar upright position, are you sitting with say 2/3 of your weight on 
> saddle and close to 1/3 of it on the pedals, so that almost nothing is on 
> your hands? If so, this sort of position would require a further rethinking 
> of pedaling style (I like to lean forward and torque) and therefore of 
> gearing. I can't see riding Kurt's example and not having too much weight 
> on my hands for any sort of "tourist" bar. Kurt, your bar is a Bullmoose, 
> right? What is your "default" cruising gear?
>
> So, for those of you with Clems and bars 6" higher than saddle, sitting 
> bolt upright, what sort of gear do you use for fastish cruising on the flat 
> on smooth paved surfaces with no wind? Me, a 70 to 75+" gear is normal, 
> depending on bike and crank and tires for an on-hoods road position; I 
> imagine fully 10 gear inches lower sitting bolt upright with most of my 
> weight on the saddle. Am I right?
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 2:30 PM 'Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I'm late to the game, but hope I can still play.  I thought of this 
>> thread when I was unloading groceries from my trailer today, so grabbed my 
>> phone out of my pocket and got a quick picture.  It's not drive side, but I 
>> had it parked against the flower bed while I was unloading on the way into 
>> the garage, which is to the left in the pic.  The Arkel pack on the 
>> opposite side has my flat repair stuff, plus tools, and in this day and 
>> age, mask + hand sanitizer in the top pocket for easy access while running 
>> errands.  But it also pops off easily to take into stores if I want to just 
>> pile things in, pay, and throw it back in.  The trailer only goes on for 
>> big stuff, like grocery store or dog food runs.
>> Thanks!
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, PA USA
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[RBW] Parts clean out: VP-001 pedals, 700c front wheel Atlas, much more

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Pancake, the reply offlist doesn’t seem to cooperate much, but I’d like to grab 
the VP 001 pedals if still available. I am at shrew   at good old 
yahoo.
Thanks!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster PA USA

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Atlantis 54.5 Frame/Fork + partial build - $1400

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Brad, I’m pretty certain that is too small for me, but for the sake of my hand 
wringing and breaking into a cold sweat, what is the saddle height in the pics? 
I’m a “scared to get the first scratch” kinda guy, so some heavy patina just 
says “ride me like ya stole me!” to me. 
Kurt Henry
Lancaster PA USA

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Bags & rack, grid-grey for olive. (Possibly WTB/FS)

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Keith, I sent you a note offline about an Olive Trunksack that I’ve had sitting 
on my shelf for a while. I’m not sure it made it through. Please drop me a line 
at shrew (one) (three) at yahoo if you’d be interested in a single vs a set. I 
only have the one bag, not a matched set.
Thanks!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster Pa USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

BBDD, I got in on the presale for my former spouse. I posted a WTB for a 45 
that never made it to the list, then finally decided to buy the 45 Clem-H that 
was in the garage sale section as a best alternative. I called and talked to 
Grant, who told me that it sold that morning. Sigh... But he told me that the 
presale email had just gone out (I hadn’t yet seen it) and I could get a new 
Clem L within a few weeks for my son’s mom. So I ordered her a 45 in sparkly 
green . She is very excited to be able to cruise around with our son this 
summer!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster PA USA

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[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill, I appreciate the offer of pictures!  It you're running knobby 38s 
with a little breathing room, I suspect it would clear fenders around 
enough tire for me.  More is better, but I don't want to sound greedy!

Do you have any thoughts you can share on the ride?   I've read the Legolas 
billed as a race frame, but have a hard time imaging Grant designing a 
steep angled, high bottom bracket dedicated cross frame.  I've ridden 
something along those lines and really didn't enjoy it.  The whole thing of 
being so twitchy that it adjusted course every time I took a deep breath or 
pushed up my glasses made it just exhausting to ride after a bit.  If the 
Legolas is race-oriented by Riv standards, but still comfortable enough to 
take out for a few hours without feeling beat up, that sounds awesome.

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 6:14:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Kurt 
>
> I am holding a recent Legolas. It’s got 38 knobbies on it now with nice 
> clearance but not enough to include fenders. I’m likely going to put 35 
> road tires on it tonight. I’ll take a couple clearance shots of that for 
> you if I get around to it. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> The Little Hill, Ca 
>

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[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta, I'm with you.  I'm not sure I understand the "hidden menu".  I'm 
sure Grant and company do it for a reason, but I don't know what it is.  My 
guess about pushing frames in inventory vs. made to measure is pure 
speculation and being curious out loud.  And I think you're right about 
there being some groups of people that would be in the market for one set 
of models and not the other.  Until recently I was firmly in the "not 
really interested in long wheelbase" camp.  I think I'm starting to come 
around, or at least around enough to be open minded about it.  

I definitely appreciate your offer of a test ride! I haven't done a good 
PBH measurement, but run a saddle height of ~75cm and am 5'10" (even if 
that darn nurse at my checkup pegged me at 5' 9-3/4" a while back, I'm 
claiming that extra quarter inch!!).  I suspect the sizing would be off by 
a bit, though maybe you've let someone my size test ride before?

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 7:42:20 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> It seemed to me that if a business has something they are willing to sell 
> (I assume at a good profit), they'd let potential buyers know. (That is 
> just my unused marketing degree talking.  I don't mean to be armchair 
> quarterbacking of running their business.) I wonder how many who have read 
> this thread and now that they can put down money on their grail bike will 
> do it.  I'd also guess that some of the potential buyers who'd want a 
> previous model might be different buyers than those of the current models.  
> No company is immune from this, even the one I work for.  Some of our 
> customers buy items from other companies because they didn't know/we didn't 
> tell them that we ALSO sold them.
>
> I hadn't heard of Rivendell until only a few years ago.  I test rode a few 
> and they were all very nice.  Then, I got on the Joe Appaloosa and OMG  
> I purchased it right away.  I'm in Philadelphia and my Joe A. is 51 cm.  If 
> you are nearby, I'd be happy let you ride it or my 54.5 AHH or both.  I 
> rarely go west, but I could also meet you at Valley Forge or thereabouts.
>
> Roberta
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta, I wonder if part of it is a desire on their part to clear the 
inventory they have in house.  I think Grant has mentioned needing to pay 
their suppliers up front for frame shipments, which is reasonable.  If they 
have a bunch of Clems and Hillbornes in the back and are waiting to get 
their money back when the frames sell, Riv would probably rather people 
bought those than a semi-custom at less than custom rates.  Obviously a 
semi-custom is better than spending nothing, for sure!  It seems like it 
would be a tough line to walk for them.  Do they put the information about 
the semi-customs out there, potentially pushing people on the fence toward 
something that their custom builder has to make, or do they keep it kinda 
quiet and hope those same people grab something off the shelf instead.

That said, I'm on the fence about the new long wheelbase Atlantis after 
seeing the MTB video posted recently.  I was previously turned off by the 
long wheelbase.  Now I'm curious.  I'd like to test ride a long wheelbase 
bike to see what it's like before throwing down money on one.  But a 
Legolas?  I've posted in the not too distant past, I think on iBob, about 
wanting a steel frame without disc brakes but enough clearance for 32+ 
(emphasis on +) and fenders.  I think a Legolas would more than cover that 
while being a bit racey, but I gather still not beyond what Grant would 
design and not something that would wear you out after 30-40 miles.  Anyone 
holding one care to comment on that part?  If that holds true, I gotta say 
I'm getting an itchy trigger finger.

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:34:32 AM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> I wonder why they don't advertise that, but keep it a secret.  Perhaps put 
> at the bottom of their bike page, next to "Custom", "Previous production 
> frames."  Then send out an email blast.
>
> On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 10:50:00 PM UTC-5, S wrote:
>>
>> In case anyone else here is interested, I asked Riv and you can indeed 
>> still order a Legolas (without the name) in a standard size for less than 
>> full custom price. It is also possible to order other retired frames, eg, 
>> the Saluki. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 5:01:14 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the big deal?  I have never ridden one of these unicorns, but 
>>> wow, they seem to be more popular than Rodeo.  So, I'm really intrigued.  
>>> Is it simply that you can't get them any longer (or only by special order 
>>> at custom prices) -- so it's appealing because you can't easily get one?  
>>> Could someone explain the use and appeal of these things?
>>>
>>> From what I've been able to piece together, they are supreme cross 
>>> bikes.  So, they're good at a lot of things.  Kinda like the Kona Jake when 
>>> it came out.  
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Benz,

Thank you for the pic, and VERY cool bike!  I was thinking the 52cm Glorius 
frameset was a non-starter from the get-go. The one I was considering was 
the same seller's 55cm (per the ad, maybe 56cm??) Yves Gomez.  I can't find 
documentation online, but I THINK that's very similar to the Wilbury from a 
geometry standpoint.  I've pasted in a picture below.  The saddle height as 
shown is ~69cm.  You may well be right, and 75cm would be just too high on 
that frame.  If so, it certainly saves me a long drive and some coin.

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

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On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 1:54:50 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:51:08 AM UTC-8, Ann L wrote:
>>
>> I am seriously tempted but am concerned it might be a bit large for me 
>> (my PBH is 75).  Does anyone know what the maximum tire clearance is?
>>
>
> Ann, I have a 81cm PBH and I ride a 56cm Wilbury with about 2" of seatpost 
> showing. Since your saddle height is going to be about 6cm lower than mine, 
> but with 4cm of that taken up by the shorter seat tube of a 52cm frame, 
> I'll say you should fit, even if it's at the lower end of fitting. What I'm 
> more concerned about, after helping a couple of my female friends tweak 
> their fit, is whether you'll find the reach OK; women tend to require 
> shorter reaches. However, if you're expecting to use an Albatross bar or 
> similar, then the reach issue may be moot.
>
> WRT to clearance, I don't have numbers for the 52cm size, but my Wilbury 
> fits Hetre 650Bx42 tires under fenders, albeit somewhat snugly.
>
> Kurt, this is how my 56cm Wilbury is set up 
> , 
> for my 70.5cm saddle height. I'm actually 5'10" (yeah, short legs), so with 
> the Albatross bars, it's an upright position for me. A saddle height of 
> 75cm would be substantially higher than mine, and would be doubly so for a 
> 52cm frame. I don't know…I suspect you won't fit very well on that 52cm 
> frame. Remember, with mixtes, the guideline is one can usually ride a 
> *larger* bike; what you're trying to do is to ride a *smaller* bike.
>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ann, I'm not sure about maximum tire clearance, but I emailed the seller.  
He confirmed that his PBH is 79cm, so saddle should be around 69cm.  From 
the pictures in the ad, it looks like you would have 4cm of room to drop 
the saddle a little, especially if you went away from a sprung saddle (less 
space needed from the seatpost clamp to the top of the saddle).  He noted 
that he is 5' 4", which was at the bottom end of the sizing range, but I do 
wonder if you could make it work if you lean toward longer legs and shorter 
torso.  I'm not an expert on fit, though!!  I wouldn't be in the market 
until mid-next month, and am trying to resist the urge.  If you like it, 
don't worry about me, as you'd be saving me the decision to spend a chunk 
of cash!

Benz, I read something similar about sizing, I think on-list.  My saddle 
height is 75cm, so would raise the saddle ~2.5 inches from its current 
position.  It doesn't look from the photo as though that would be out of 
sorts.  I suspect that stem could go up a bit more if needed.  And at just 
a hair under 5' 10", I'd still make the sizing range you provided.  I was 
kinda hoping the seller would tell me it wouldn't work.  Maybe not!!

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 2:51:08 PM UTC-5, Ann L wrote:
>
> I am seriously tempted but am concerned it might be a bit large for me (my 
> PBH is 75).  Does anyone know what the maximum tire clearance is?
>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mark, it looks like the same seller also has a built 55cm Yves Gomez.  
Looking back in the RBW archives, I think the individual was once a member 
of the list (may still be?), as there was an individual in CT selling the 
same two bike/frames.

That said, the Gomez falls in line with my recent mixte curiosity.  Does 
anyone know how the sizing on the early mixtes works?  I've looked at the 
current Cheviot sizing, which suggests at 5'9-10" I'd be on a 60cm, but the 
well discussed changes to Riv's geometry makes the current sizing 
suggestions suspect. The other plus of the older model is the more moderate 
chainstay length.  Without rehashing BBDD's thread on chainstay length, I 
haven't tried the longer wheelbase geometry but the earlier short 
chainstays look much better to my eye.

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Not mine, no relation, not close enough/no time to facilitate a sale. I'm 
> a little ambivalent about ebay "outings" but this is a CL tucked away in NW 
> CT, so, here ya go. (Apologies if the owner is on the list and planning to 
> post.) Listing is new, but I swear I've seen it before, so owner may have 
> tried and failed previously. And of course, *caveat emptor* since I 
> cannot vouch for the seller, who is unknown to me.
>
>
> https://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/d/suffield-rivendell-mixte-wilbury-frame/7053943420.html
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

BBDD, I think I've followed along in this thread and a few other related 
ones, but to make sure I'm with you:  the two bikes in your photo are both 
set up for you to ride vs. one of yours and one set up for someone else?  I 
know angles can on photos can distort distances, but it looks like the 
closest Clem is noticeably longer than the Clementine against the car.  
Maybe 6 inches difference?  I thought you were talking about a difference 
that you felt when you ride or have to move it around, but that pic makes 
it looks like a difference that you would clearly see just walking by.  Not 
going to say that I'm not curious to try out one of the long wheelbase 
bikes, but that's a lot of wheelbase to chew on...
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA - where I've sold three bikes in the past 6 months, have at 
least one more that needs to find a new home, and REALLY shouldn't be 
looking at bringing one back in.  But I'll be darned if I'm not getting 
mixte curious.  If that's a thing.

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 7:18:19 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> These are fair questions, and I’ll see if I can answer them. But first, I 
> cannot wait for your 2019 Clem L to be saddled up and ridden hard. You owe 
> me a story. 
>
> Next, what is making me unhappy about my Clem? Please let me say that I 
> don’t dislike the bike - I do like it, I just wanted to LOVE it. I still 
> just may - but it’s different than what I thought I had purchased, and I’m 
> hoping I get used to it. It also should be said that Riv NAILED the blue 
> paint - have you ever seen a blue so pretty?  Here are the things that irk 
> me: 
> 1. It’s too long for my bike rack. That is pretty straightforward. 
>
> 2. I keep hitting it on things when I walk it backwards. It’s just so 
> LONG, and when I’m moving it around it seems to hit into things all the 
> time. I don’t remember the Clementine being this way, but I will admit I 
> could be wrong.
>
> 3. In that vein, It’s awkward to lift. At school I have to lift it over a 
> curb and I’m never certain I’m going to be able to do it. You should have 
> seen me with the Betty - we made bike-lifting look good! I don’t remember 
> the Clementine being this awkward, but again, I may be wrong. See below for 
> a comparison of the Aquatine and the Clem. It’s LONG. Imagine me swinging 
> this bike around. But I do.
>
>
>
> 4. I had to scoot my saddle pretty far forward for it to feel right. I 
> think this is a drastic measure that really signifies the bike is too long. 
> Website says over 5’5” can ride the 52, so why am I pushing my saddle 
> forward? 
>
> Today I hopped on my Betz and talk about shock. The bike felt short. I 
> felt short. I stood up to pedal and wondered if I might fall over the front 
> wheel. It was weird - and this was my one and only for 7 years! I would 
> never expect it to feel weird.
>
> Then I got on the Clem and felt like I was 7 feet tall. It’s amazing how 
> different these bikes are and what you can get used to. I will keep at it, 
> never fear. I want the bike to do its thing and I really want to feel 
> comfortable. I think you’ll note your 2019 is way different than your OC. I 
> await your report - which you will undoubtedly treat us to here.
> PS Very clever - apples to clementines.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 6, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Mark Roland  > wrote:
>
> 
> Hi BBDD! I have a horse in this race (2019 Clem L) but it's not saddled 
> up--in fact the wheels aren't yet built. When that blessed event takes 
> place, I will be able to compare it to the memory of my OC (Original 
> Clementine.)
>
> I have to say I am still unsure as to what is making you unhappy about 
> your new Clem L. I doubt it is heavier than the old one, which had bigger 
> diameter tubing. The extra inch of chainstay would at best be a wash. I 
> understand the limits of a big bike in terms of portage and storage, for 
> sure. In terms of handling, you mention it not being as "nimble" as your 
> other bikes--so specifically, it is "less nimble" than your inherited Aqua 
> Clementine?
>
> It sounds like the bike successfully avoided whatever was in its path in 
> the scenario below. Maybe you could try letting go a bit more and let it do 
> its thing? When I first got my Clementine, the Bosco bars were way out of 
> my normal experience. That's why I committed to giving them 100 days with 
> no judgement, just ride 'em. This is not to suggest a compromise in any 
> way, as is sometimes implied when the term "get used to it" is used. It 
> just means that if your body is really feeling an actual response 
> difference, assuming it's not something inherently unsafe, it may just be 
> giving your nervous system and other parts of your being some time to 
> adjust.
>
> I had a Big Dummy for a few years, when my son was younger. Of course it 
> was heavy, and often, but not always, loaded. But it was a fun bike to 
> ride, I enjoyed it quite a bit, and missed it after I sold it. The 
> 

[RBW] Re: Riv Atlantis MTB Video

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree, really cool video!  I had the same question already asked about 
MIT Atlantis vs. MUSA, but I'm also curious about the brakes on the rear.  
I couldn't ID them from the quick glimpse, what are they?  I really did NOT 
need to see this video.  I'd been "Atlantis curious" in the past, then 
recently saw a pic of one with flat bars and got curious again.  Promptly 
talked myself out of it.  Touring bike, probably not really suitable for 
trails.  Nope, now that defense mechanism for myself is out the window.  
Seemed to handle trails just fine, or at least the kind I would consider 
riding on. 
Thank you for posting!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 11:05:33 PM UTC-5, YQ wrote:
>
> Hi everyone -- I really enjoy reading the group's ride reports and 
> checking out the great pictures of different folks' rides. I thought I 
> would share a video that I put together of my Atlantis doing some riding in 
> the Santa Cruz Mountains.  Link is below. Hope you enjoy.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f2XIWEK9hciggoo5WRVwQeSKHocUUDOz/view?usp=sharing_eil=5dd02343
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Christmas Rivendells

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm not getting my son a new bike for Christmas, as he got a new Woom 6 
last year.  But I'm buying him some accessories.  I hope that counts!  Woom 
now offers frame bags made of denim, sized for their frames.  My son is 
always reluctant to bring his phone, no wanting to drop or lose it.  Now he 
will have a nice place to put his phone, a few dollars (Duck donuts is on 
the back side of the park behind our house and a common destination for him 
and his friends), and a lock.  Woom is sold out of their locks so will have 
to get a regular one. Maybe one of the folding locks from Riv?  I'm also 
adding lights. It's that time of year!  Rechargeables are perfect, no more 
than he will ride in the dark and just up and down our alley to go see 
friends.

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA



On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 1:15:15 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Is anyone is getting a new bike or getting a loved one a new bike for 
> Christmas? This will be a really fun thread if there are a lot of people 
> planning for new bikes under their trees, or it could be really quiet here 
> (I know winter is not peak bike-purchasing season for most of the country), 
> but let’s see. 
>
> I got a Clem a couple of months earlier, so I can’t contribute, but I’ll 
> include a short Christmas bike story anyway. My favorite gift as a kid was 
> the Huffy purple/black/gray mountain bike I got for Christmas in 5th or 6th 
> grade. The problem was that I was born and raised in North Dakota, where 
> the winters are long and fierce. I Could. Not. Wait. for spring that year. 
> I would walk out into the garage and stare at my new bike all that winter. 
> It had GEARS. It came with a WATER BOTTLE (that was cracked, but oh well) 
> and it had a small handlebar bag! Sometimes it got the best of me and I’d 
> wheel it out onto the street in front of the house and just pedal it a 
> little bit. The tires were perpetually flat, and I usually gave up and went 
> back inside quickly. But I was so content knowing that new bike - the first 
> new bike I’d ever had - was waiting for me in that garage. I could not wait 
> for spring to come. 
>
> My very best friend got the same bike (both sets of parents favored 
> shopping at Target), and on some lucky Fridays, after school let out, we’d 
> pedal home to her farm where I’d stay and ride her horses with her all 
> weekend until church on Sunday. It was gravel roads the entire ride, and a 
> good 5 miles. We were just kids (11?12?) in the 90s and it was a real 
> adventure. I don’t know how we weren’t killed by gravel trucks as they 
> crested the hills; they’d never be expecting kids riding bikes on those 
> twisty gravel roads. Also, what were our parents thinking?!? But the only 
> thing I loved to ride more than my purple mountain bike was my friend’s big 
> old quarter horse, Bud - so away we went. We were big stuff. 
>
> That Huffy was probably the nicest bike I ever had until I was 31 years 
> old and got a Betty Foy. I think Mom and Dad still have the Huffy in their 
> storage unit in my hometown. I’ll look for it this summer and take a selfie 
> with it. Now I’m completely bike-rich and marvel at my humble bike 
> beginnings. My first bike was a garage sale bike I got when I was 7, and 
> that is another tale. It’s so fun to look back at that Christmas and 
> remember how excited I was to taste the freedom that a new bike was going 
> to bring me. 
>
> I hope someone is getting a new bike for Christmas this year. Christmas 
> bikes are the most sacred of bikes. 
>
> Leah

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[RBW] Re: Carbonomas weight weeniedom

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, I was totally with you until you mentioned the AM hub. What rear 
spacing are you going for to work with an AM hub? Put an FM into play not long 
ago, but in an old English frame spaced about 115mm. Now you have me curious. 
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

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[RBW] Re: Economical Clem

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This thread ties in well with some thinking I'd been doing along the same 
lines.  I was originally going to build up a 90s MTB as a townie/errand 
runner/occasional overnighter/occasional dirt road, double track, or light 
single track excursion, then started thinking I'd get a Surly Troll instead 
- easy rack mounting, super tire clearance, etc.  I scoffed at the recent 
Riv designs when they first started evolving.  But the more I've read, the 
more I've realized that they're really ideal for that sort of riding.  But 
they are too nice for what I have in mind.  Who wants to have a super 
expensive bike getting jostled against the bike rack at the store, 
collecting scratches?  That's what a beater like the Surly is 
forright?  

Then I started looking more at prices.  Stock build Surly Trolls, Ogres, 
LHTs are in the $1400-1500 range.  That's almost as much as the Clem!  And 
if I'd jumped on the previous version of the Clems when they were blowing 
them out (being a particular fan of the mustard color, which is apparently 
no more), they were right in the middle of that range.  Given the choice of 
a Surly vs. a Riv at a similar price point, the Clems start to look a whole 
lot more reasonable.  Maybe I should get over this "who wants to scratch up 
such a nice bike" thing!  That's what strategically placed strips of cotton 
bar tape are for on my old Kogswell.

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA (common lurker, rare poster)

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[RBW] Re: Therapeutic effects of night riding and eating

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Andy, I could not agree more about the wonders of night riding.  Not only 
do well known paths feel different, sometimes they ARE different.  I've had 
a couple of really odd experiences riding at night around Lancaster, PA.  
Riding through the farm communities outside of town usually means absolute 
quiet beyond the hum of my tires and breathing.  Cars are uncommon on most 
the roads I use, even during the day.  But at night you really get to focus 
on the odd stuff.

I was once riding through an area containing little but farms, mostly 
Amish, in late summer/early fall.  Ahead I saw huge lights going in all 
kinds of directions.  All kidding aside, it looked like a UFO had set down 
in the field.  Even stranger was when I realized they were moving, and 
heading toward the road.  As I got close, the lights flashed my way, then 
started moving away.  As I pulled even, I realized that it was a HUGE 
combine cutting down the remaining corn stalks.  It had lights all over the 
front to light up the field ahead like it was daytime.  It must have hit 
the end of the field and turned around for the next pass right before I got 
there, thus the big flash in my direction.

Another late summer incident was even stranger.  Again, going through an 
area of farmlands in pitch black and quiet, I started hearing noises ahead 
as I dropped into a valley.  When I cleared the treeline, a whole field was 
lit up like a Christmas tree, filled with Amish kids playing volleyball or 
sitting on blankets and watching/cheering on their friends.  The lights 
were all run off a gas powered generator or two,which was what I heard as I 
approached.  As soon as I hit the end of the clearing and started into the 
forested area again, the lights were quickly left behind and the sound 
muffled by trees, leaving me almost wondering if I had just imagined the 
whole thing.

Have fun out there!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Handmade Waxed Cotton Seat Bag

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, I don't trust the private message system in google, but would love to 
pick up your seat bag if not already claimed.
Thanks!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 1:05:15 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Another find from the Bike Room closet. Handmade waxed cotton (very waxy) 
> canvas and leather seat bag. Big enough to hold a couple of tubes and basic 
> roadside repair tools. Needs a leather toe strap or similar to attach it to 
> the seat. A slight amount of patina; no rips, tears, or holes.
>
> $12 shipped in the CONUS.
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My guess would be Gevenall 
(http://gevenalle.com/product-category/shifters/).  Really cool options 
they've come up with.  I like the thought of using one of the Shimano 
Dyna-Sys derailleurs with a super wide 1 X 10/11.  Not that I have any 
plans to set one up, but.
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 2:30:55 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> are seriously classy  with  those nice WI hubs (M15 I'm guessing) , crank 
> and Paul racer brakes. I wonder  who makes those brake levers? ..neat to 
> see how they integrate the braking  with barend shifters.
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 12:27:11 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>>
>> Those black sams.
>
>

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