Roberta, I wonder if part of it is a desire on their part to clear the 
inventory they have in house.  I think Grant has mentioned needing to pay 
their suppliers up front for frame shipments, which is reasonable.  If they 
have a bunch of Clems and Hillbornes in the back and are waiting to get 
their money back when the frames sell, Riv would probably rather people 
bought those than a semi-custom at less than custom rates.  Obviously a 
semi-custom is better than spending nothing, for sure!  It seems like it 
would be a tough line to walk for them.  Do they put the information about 
the semi-customs out there, potentially pushing people on the fence toward 
something that their custom builder has to make, or do they keep it kinda 
quiet and hope those same people grab something off the shelf instead.

That said, I'm on the fence about the new long wheelbase Atlantis after 
seeing the MTB video posted recently.  I was previously turned off by the 
long wheelbase.  Now I'm curious.  I'd like to test ride a long wheelbase 
bike to see what it's like before throwing down money on one.  But a 
Legolas?  I've posted in the not too distant past, I think on iBob, about 
wanting a steel frame without disc brakes but enough clearance for 32+ 
(emphasis on +) and fenders.  I think a Legolas would more than cover that 
while being a bit racey, but I gather still not beyond what Grant would 
design and not something that would wear you out after 30-40 miles.  Anyone 
holding one care to comment on that part?  If that holds true, I gotta say 
I'm getting an itchy trigger finger.

Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:34:32 AM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> I wonder why they don't advertise that, but keep it a secret.  Perhaps put 
> at the bottom of their bike page, next to "Custom", "Previous production 
> frames."  Then send out an email blast.
>
> On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 10:50:00 PM UTC-5, S wrote:
>>
>> In case anyone else here is interested, I asked Riv and you can indeed 
>> still order a Legolas (without the name) in a standard size for less than 
>> full custom price. It is also possible to order other retired frames, eg, 
>> the Saluki. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 5:01:14 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the big deal?  I have never ridden one of these unicorns, but 
>>> wow, they seem to be more popular than Rodeo.  So, I'm really intrigued.  
>>> Is it simply that you can't get them any longer (or only by special order 
>>> at custom prices) -- so it's appealing because you can't easily get one?  
>>> Could someone explain the use and appeal of these things?
>>>
>>> From what I've been able to piece together, they are supreme cross 
>>> bikes.  So, they're good at a lot of things.  Kinda like the Kona Jake when 
>>> it came out.  
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

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