Re: [RBW] Re: Another Brevet Report: The Antelope Island 300k

[Brady Smith]

Thanks everyone! As it happens, the storm the blew in on the heels of my
ride so buried the pass that we had to swap routes for Saturday, and I’m
the lone Antelope Island 300k finisher for 2024. Hopefully everyone is
blessed with tailwinds for Saturday.

Happy trails!

BMS

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 5:29 PM RichS  wrote:

> Brady, I admire your fortitude. That's a ride to remember. Thank you for
> sharing your story and the photos.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:17:58 PM UTC-4 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> A few weeks ago I wrote about my first brevet of the season, in which
>> good training and great conditions produced a 200k for the ages, at least
>> for me.
>>
>> Yesterday's ride was a challenge of a different sort.
>>
>> The real Antelope Island 300k sets off this coming Saturday. I decided to
>> pre-ride the course because I'll be in Washington DC with 80 8th graders
>> this coming weekend, an endurance test, to be sure, but of a somewhat
>> different kind.
>>
>> We've had beautiful weather this week in the Salt Lake Valley, but it's
>> been, quite literally, the calm before the storm. As I did some final
>> planning on Friday, I started noticing winter weather advisories for the
>> Wasatch mountains Sunday into Monday. At first I didn't make much of it,
>> since I was planning on riding on Saturday, and since winter weather can
>> happen all the way through May in this part of the country. But then I
>> remembered what always happens when big storms roll through the valley--big
>> winds come along with them.
>>
>> I noticed almost as soon as I started up Emigration Canyon alongside our
>> RBA, who graciously volunteered to accompany me for the first twenty miles
>> or so of the ride--a gusty, noticeable breeze from the east, the opposite
>> direction that winds usually blow in these parts. It calmed a bit as we got
>> to the middle of the canyon--a 7 mile climb or so--and then disappeared as
>> we made our way up towards Big Mountain Pass, a 7400 foot summit that marks
>> the end of the first big ascent on the route.
>>
>> Ken, our RBA, had wondered aloud about continuing on, but decided against
>> it due to family obligations. He did not miss the fast descent that usually
>> greets riders on the east side of Big Mountain Pass, because, as we had
>> suspected, it had not yet been cleared by the UDOT, probably because, like
>> us, they could read the forecast, and saw that a foot or two of snow was
>> due to fall over the mountains in the coming days. It was not completely
>> covered in snow, but there were five or six significant snowdrifts impeding
>> progress down the mountain. A ten minute descent turned into thirty minutes
>> of intermittent riding and hiking.
>>
>> It didn't seem to be a particularly big deal at that point, and the next
>> 35 miles or so were nothing short of serene. From the base of Big Mountain
>> one continues past East Canyon reservoir and along the vast expanse of the
>> Morgan Valley, a 30 mile downhill section, at which point the 20 mile, 3400
>> foot ascent that greets riders at the start of this route seems to be
>> redeemed. I blew through this section, finding myself in Mountain Green
>> well before lunch, and then up and over Trapper's Loop Road, the second big
>> climb of the route, in fairly swift time.
>>
>> After meandering through the upper Ogden Valley, I came across, around
>> mile 80, what I hoped was the last big test of this ride--the North Ogden
>> Divide. You can see it clearly as you approach the backside of the Wasatch
>> Mountains, a tiny line etched precariously in the mountainside, only 2
>> miles long from where the climb really starts to the top of the mountain,
>> but a 2 miles that proceeds upwards at a steady 10%. It's also narrow, and
>> presaged by a sign saying something to the effect of "Steep grades and
>> sharp curves. Not Recommended for Cyclists." (As if in penance, there is a
>> "Share the Road" sign immediately after, but based on the angry shouts of
>> one pickup driver heading down the mountain opposite, not one motorists pay
>> much attention to.)
>>
>> I shifted immediately into my 30-32 low gear and started upwards, one eye
>> on the road ahead, another in my mirror, making sure that the occasional
>> vehicle coming up behind me looked like it was going to give me adequate
>> space. It's fair to say that this was the hardest climb I've ever
>> completed, at least when accounting for the fact that I'd already done 80
>> miles and 6000 feet of elevation at this point in the ride. It

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[Brady Smith]

Thanks, Bill.

I'm aware of my relative youth. Two years ago, I spent the first 20 miles
of our 300k listening to everyone else talk about how they got into
randonneuring because their kids were grown and they just didn't need to be
around that much anymore.

It explained why it seemed like a good idea to someone to schedule that
ride the day before Mother's Day.

I was sick at the start and we had a dust storm that fouled the air for a
few hours, so upon realizing that I was going to take 18 hours to finish
that very hilly route, I took the DNF and got home in time to put my
daughter to sleep.

BMS

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 11:46 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "I turned 40 in the fall"
>
> Just a baby in the Rando-community.  You've got a good 35 year career
> ahead of you.  ;-).
> 7:36 is BLAZING, even with a speedy-group.  Tremendous work.
>
> Best wishes to your father.
> 466 days to L-E-L!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> #6551
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time.
>>
>> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with
>> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last
>> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day
>> unbearably, miserably difficult.
>>
>> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and
>> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant,
>> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe
>> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the
>> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado.
>>
>> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no
>> small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling
>> has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the
>> leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how
>> quickly one can go from able to not-so-able.
>>
>> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days
>> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever
>> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always
>> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for
>> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar
>> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the
>> spring.
>>
>> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for
>> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider,
>> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15
>> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall
>> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in
>> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark.
>>
>> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k
>> a day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a
>> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with
>> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never
>> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and
>> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed,
>> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running
>> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings,
>> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging
>> along next to a pacer bot.
>>
>> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides
>> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than
>> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few
>> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity
>> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that
>> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in
>> a friends' apartment in NYC.
>>
>> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a
>> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my
>> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer."
>>
>> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight
>> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[Brady Smith]

Hi John,

I think this is a 2020 Roadini, so the answer is probably first gen.  I
bought the frame off this list. In theory it clears a 38mm tire; the
biggest I've tried is 35mm. I had 32mm Continental Grand Prix 4 Seasons on
it for this ride, which seems to be the sweet spot for most riding I do on
this bike.

I normally use a Black Mountain Cycles monster cross for randonneuring and
keep the Roadini stripped down for weekend road adventures, but the
weather/conditions were such that I didn't need to worry about layers or
supplies or lighting on this ride, so the Roadini got the call. Great bike.

BMS

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 1:12 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Is this a first gen, or later roadini?  Curious: on what tires did you
> ride this event? Any pictures?
>
> John
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time.
>>
>> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with
>> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last
>> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day
>> unbearably, miserably difficult.
>>
>> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and
>> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant,
>> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe
>> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the
>> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado.
>>
>> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no
>> small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling
>> has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the
>> leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how
>> quickly one can go from able to not-so-able.
>>
>> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days
>> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever
>> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always
>> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for
>> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar
>> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the
>> spring.
>>
>> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for
>> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider,
>> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15
>> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall
>> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in
>> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark.
>>
>> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k
>> a day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a
>> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with
>> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never
>> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and
>> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed,
>> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running
>> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings,
>> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging
>> along next to a pacer bot.
>>
>> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides
>> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than
>> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few
>> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity
>> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that
>> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in
>> a friends' apartment in NYC.
>>
>> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a
>> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my
>> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer."
>>
>> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight
>> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind
>> at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much
>> more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that
>> I'd drop back after w

[RBW] Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[Brady Smith]

I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time. 

I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with leukemia. 
He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last summer 
and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day unbearably, 
miserably difficult. 

He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and 
complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant, 
facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe 
a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the 
skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado. 

Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no 
small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling 
has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the 
leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how 
quickly one can go from able to not-so-able. 

I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days 
commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever 
managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always 
loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for 
things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar 
is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the 
spring. 

This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for London-Edinburgh-London 
2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider, but I've never been 
particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15 hours; I managed 400k in 
21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall cut and some patching of 
tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in the hopes of not having 
to do it again in the mountains in the dark. 

I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k a 
day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a 
goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with 
the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never 
to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and 
bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed, 
somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running 
alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings, 
sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging 
along next to a pacer bot. 

It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides 
this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than 
I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few 
weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity 
to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that 
was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in 
a friends' apartment in NYC. 

When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a 
mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my 
plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer." 

It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight 
headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind 
at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much 
more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that 
I'd drop back after we headed out to make sure I didn't blow up later in 
the ride. 

When push came to shove, though, I kept on going. The second quarter of the 
ride was hilly and windy, and I started to feel a bit queasy as I worked 
through a big section of rollers that led up to lunch. 

At lunch, I mentally resolved to drop back and save myself the misery that 
I figured was out ahead, but after eating and getting back on the road, I 
couldn't bring myself to do it. I spent fifteen miles yo-yoing off the back 
of the group, watching my heart rate spike, thinking that I was about to 
lose them for good, until the pizza/soda/bratwurst/energy bar combo I ate 
in Corinne kicked in, and I realized I was going to stay with the pack 
through to the end. 

The last 40 miles or so were pure cycling bliss, a pack of riders on a mix 
of steel and carbon riding swiftly along the shorelands of the Great Salt 
Lake. I've always cruised alone around 15 miles an hour, perhaps having the 
energy to go faster but never really willing to push it; watching the group 
pass 20 miles an hour as we pushed towards the end was a new experience, to 
say the least. 

With a few miles to go, one rider broke off and set out alone. I tried to 
catch him, hoping that the stretch of rolling hills between mile 121 and 
124 would slow him down, but the hills got me instead. He finished at 7:34. 
A bunch of us finished at 7:36, 

[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[Brady Smith]

I used to live in Fort Lee, and it was the prospect of commuting across the 
GWB down to Chelsea and back each day that got me into cycling. 

We moved to Utah mid-pandemic and went back to NYC for the first time last 
week. I rented a road bike from Bicycle Habitat and did the classic Bear 
Mountain route. It was all great, but I'd forgotten how much I loved 
exploring Manhattan on a bike. I never did the Five Boro tour, but it looks 
like a blast. 

Have fun!

Brady in SLC

On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 11:51:14 AM UTC-6 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My wife and I signed up for the tour and will be there! We even payed an 
> extra cost to be in the first wave of riders. I'll be riding my mustard 
> colored Appaloosa (I might even rock my tweed saddlebag) and my wife will 
> be on her extra-small orange Salsa Vaya. I'll be on the lookout for other 
> Rivendell riders other than my main man, Eben Weiss: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_9Pj_AD3A
>
> Say hi if you see us! 
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
>> decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
>> https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
>> Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
>> I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.
>>
>> This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I 
>> won't be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be 
>> there for a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
>> I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
>> where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.
>>
>> Anyone else here doing the ride?
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco Randonneurs 200k ride report

[Brady Smith]

Lazy randonneuring is smart randonneuring. I have no qualms about going to 
the wall in a Zwift race every now and again, but if I'm out for 10-20 
hours, I'd better enjoy it. Congrats on your ride!

Brady in SLC

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:48:34 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Meanwhile, I am such a lazy randonneur that I stayed home. Sounds like you 
> had a great ride, where you got to meet all the predetermined goals.
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:12:09 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> The Russian River 200k comes in at a little over 200k with 126 miles.  I 
>> consider myself a lazy randonneur.  I prefer to train as little as 
>> possible, while also trying to minimize the suffering on the event day as 
>> much as possible.
>>
>> I'm not unfit because I commute to work on my bike (Cheviot). During the 
>> school year, I drop my daughter off at school, park the car nearby and ride 
>> my bike to work and back to the car after work.  It's about 5 miles and 
>> ~600 ft of elevation gain.  My base is therefore 40-50 miles a week (4-5 
>> commute days) and two weekends I did a 15 mile loop from my house.  It's 
>> enough training to finish the 126-miler, but I wanted to ride without 
>> suffering unduly.
>>
>> I drew on my experience:
>>
>> 1. I know what my body likes to eat on long rides.  
>> My go to recipe: rice bars-I think of it as an elevated spam musubi
>> https://www.skratchlabs.com/blogs/recipes/dr-lims-bacon-and-egg-rice-cakes
>>
>> I put in chicken apple sausage instead of bacon and skip the maple 
>> sugar/brown syrup.  I wrap the rice/eggs/sausage in seaweed like a sushi 
>> roll and plop it in a sandwich baggie.  I didn't have to stop for anything 
>> yesterday except some water and a quick bathroom break.
>>
>> 2. I know that with my base of fitness, I need to stay within a very 
>> narrow range of effort.  If I put in too much effort, then my body won't be 
>> able to recover.
>>
>> --This means that I need to go slow out of the gate and not get caught up 
>> in the excitement of the start, and I have to take it easy on the hills and 
>> spin in my low gears.  If I follow this strategy, then I can maintain 
>> energy until the end without struggling to the finish line. 
>>
>> (Conversely, a countless number of times, have I gone too hard at the 
>> start and limped along to the end!)
>>
>> It was a chilly start and forecast for 38 degrees, which on a steep 
>> downhill is practically ski weather, so I put on my ski gloves on top of my 
>> fingerless gloves to start the day off.
>>
>> As expected, out of the gate it was fast.  I kept it slow.  I was riding 
>> alone that day because my friend was just returning from Germany and was 
>> jet lagged, so I went at my own pace.
>>
>> Soon, I was the last one of the 60 or so riders and the only people I saw 
>> were the late starters who were passing me.  
>>
>> It was cold as expected, and it was also foggy with condensation on my 
>> glasses, so visibility was poor for a while, but gradually the sun came out 
>> and it was a beautiful day.  I met up with another Riv that day--a rider 
>> with a beautiful A Homer Hilsen (I'm sorry I missed his name).  He caught a 
>> nice picture as the sun started to come out and we had a beautiful view of 
>> the rolling hills.  
>>
>> I made my way through the grazing cows and worked through the Russian 
>> River valley over to the coast where it was a really beautiful day.  We 
>> headed back down the coast and then back to the start at San Rafael.
>>
>> --In terms of time allowed for the ride, the minimum pace is roughly 10 
>> miles per hour, including stops, giving about 12.6 hours to finish. 
>>
>> I exceeded my target goal of 10-11 hours and came in under 10 hours. I 
>> only had 18 minutes of time stopped (a record low for me), including a 
>> couple of construction 1-lane delays, so that helped me maintain a good 
>> time.
>>
>> For the 300k, I'm going to add in some 28 mile training loops. I figure 
>> if I go hard on the 28-milers, then it will be enough to finish modestly 
>> well on the 300k.  
>>
>> Until next time,
>> Toshi in Oakland
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Brady Smith]

Happy Birthday Bill! As a Utahn, I’m a bit jealous of SFR’s frequent winter
brevets. Ours are still a few months off, so I content myself with Nordic
skiing as the weather makes it available, and Zwift races here and there.
Best of luck on the 200k!

On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 6:00 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I did my 55 miles on my 55th birthday today, -AND- got my second summit of
> Mount Diablo of 2024 on a second bike.  Last month I rode my Black Mountain
> Cycles road.  Today I rode my 57cm Legolas (in Amethyst Smoke).  On
> Saturday I'll be riding that same Legolas on a 200k brevet with SF
> Randonneurs.  There was still some snow on the sides of the road near the
> summit of Mount Diablo, and the descent was VERY cold, but anything "not
> raining" is a welcome novelty.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Earlier I said:
>>
>> "My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>
>> 10,000km ridden
>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my
>> birthday as a regular event"
>>
>> So far so good.
>> -I'm right on the doorstep of a 1000km January, so that's looking good.
>> -I've got my 55 mile ride on my 55th birthday planned out, and it will be
>> my second summit of Mount Diablo on bike #2.
>> -I've got my first 200k under my belt, using the bike that I intend to
>> use for the Marin Mountains 200.  That's also a great stepping stone to
>> being ready for the 400.
>> -On my brevet yesterday I snuck off-route a few times to sneak in a few
>> Marin County Wandrer points.
>>
>> Keep taking those W's when you can.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:42:01 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "I think you meant "timely" instead of "timply" in your SMART acronym?"
>>>
>>> Indeed I did.  S.M.A.R.T. goals are a regular thing.  I didn't make up
>>> the acronym.  It's a common technique to ward off gloom and depression.
>>> Therapists, life coaches, etc frequently recommend these things.  The great
>>> thing about it is that it's kind of self-customized.  You can line up your
>>> goals to meet the realities of your life.
>>>
>>> Simple (sometimes people use Specific).  It just means it's something
>>> very clear and not ambiguous.  "Have more fun" doesn't fit.  "Be healthier"
>>> doesn't fit.  "Go to the gym twice each week" is specific and easy to know
>>> whether you did it or not.  That kind of thing
>>>
>>> Measurable just means it's objectively certain whether you did it or
>>> not.  There's no judgment in an objective measurement.  "lose 5 pounds" is
>>> a measurement.
>>>
>>> Achievable means it'll take a little effort but if you try you'll do it.
>>>  10,000km this year is achievable for me in my current life set-up, but it
>>> does mean I'm going to have to try.  In comparison, for 2023 I barely made
>>> 3000 miles, under 5000km.
>>>
>>> Relevant means it's something to build towards some other larger
>>> objective that is important to me.  My fitness goals are all aimed at
>>> extending my life and maximizing my quality of life.
>>>
>>> Timely means it can happen in a reasonable amount of time.  "Ride
>>> 200,000 miles in my life" is not timely.  "Live to be 90" is not timely,
>>> but it may be an outcome that is helped along.  I'm knocking out tiny
>>> smart-goals almost weekly.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:39:22 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 The trouble is that too many other things interfere with my biking -
 yard work, home repairs and routine maintenance, auto repair and
 maintenance, and of course, the weather which can be unpredictable,
 especially in these latitudes.  IIRC the last 100 miler I rode was
 something like 2007, the last 100K was maybe a year or two later.  During
 those years I managed to squeeze around 1,500 miles out of the biking
 season (Spring, Summer, & Fall).  Not any more.  I'm lucky to get 500miles
 a year on both road bikes.  I just can't seem to get the time and weather
 to rack up any more than that plus I'm just physically slower than I used
 to be - my 75th is coming up soon.  And, though I hate to bring it up, with
 the advancing age comes a plethora of new medical problems whether physical
 (muscular, joint, or arthritic) or systemic (cardiac, decreasing lung
 function, or just plain fatigue).

 Good luck with your goals, I hope you make them.  When I was 55 I was
 far more able to do similar things than I am now.  BTW, I think you meant
 "timely" instead of "timply" in your SMART acronym?


 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-6 Bill 

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Brady Smith]

Here's my two cents: 

I did RAGBRAI last year with my parents, both of whom have done it more 
than a dozen times (I grew up in Cedar Rapids). 

My dad managed to snag hotels or rooms in family/friend homes reasonably 
close to each town, which made a real difference in the heat. I remember 
seeing "103" as I climbed the final hills into Iowa City. Coming from Utah, 
I'm no stranger to triple digits, but triple digits and humid really calls 
for care in hydration. 

My parents had planned on each riding half days and swapping the car 
halfway, though illness kept my dad from participating beyond day 1. Being 
much younger, I rode everything, and especially enjoyed the Iowa Craft Beer 
stops along the way. Great beer, excellent food, constant party atmosphere, 
and a lot of fun strangers to talk to. 

Not sure I'll do it again, mostly because I have other adventures on which 
to spend the few days away from home I am accorded each year. But I'm very 
glad I did it, especially since my dad's illness turned out to be cancer. 
He's doing quite well, as far as leukemia goes, and the doctor's say he has 
a very good chance of living long enough to die of something else. A 
RAGBRAI nostalgia tour turned out to be a perfect way to close one chapter 
of his life and open another. 

Happy riding, 

Brady in SLC



On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 3:04:08 PM UTC-7 R. Alexis wrote:

> BRAN(Bike Ride Across Nebraska) is still going as far as I know. As 
> apposed to RAGBRAI, it is a lot smaller. I think registration is limited to 
> 500 or so. Might be even smaller. Someone described RAGBRAI as a party 
> atmosphere that happens to have bikes involved. BRAN, from what I 
> understand is way less party atmosphere. 
>
> Friend thought of doing RAGBRAI and having husband roll with one of their 
> campers, but I reminded her and she saw all the stuff that didn't appeal to 
> her like crowds, heat, hills, other erratic riders. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:35:58 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if it will start close to Omaha this year since it was the 
>> northern route last year? 
>> A very good friend did it last summer. He got an RV, and his wife drove 
>> (and worked remote). He reserved a lot of RV spots that were NOT with the 
>> main group. Had a blast, but a couple of those days were pretty rough. I 
>> think last year was one of the toughest years.
>>
>> Is BRAN still happening? As a photojournalist in Omaha, I covered RAGBRAI 
>> a couple years, and also went out to BRAN once. I thought the BRAN folks 
>> were pretty hardcore.
>>
>> Matt in STL
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 12:21:49 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> I snapped a shot one RAGBRAI of a bank clock at 6 pm sharp. Still 106F. 
>>> Thank goodness for plenty of cold beer. 
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:50 PM Sarah Carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Just watched the RAGBRAI documentary and can totally understand how you 
 could be called to join a community of riders who support each other 
 through an exciting challenge. It makes me want to go too except for 
 when I heard one of the guys commenting, "It's 105 degrees." That gave me 
 pause! 

 On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:33:07 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>
> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to 
> figure 
> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure 
> scene 
> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>
> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
> others?
>
> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort 
> of dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so 
> on. This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are 
> so 
> many riders moving through tiny host towns.
>
> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it 
> really is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… 
> Also, 
> it’s Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits 
> different.
>
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Brady Smith]

Hi Toshi, 

Riding in Utah is indeed a gift. I mostly trade the bike for nordic skiing 
in the winter, so I haven't ridden outside much of late, but riding up the 
canyons never gets old. 

Our club is so small as to manage only a handful of rides each year, though 
in the warmer months I can piece together a nice 300k out my front door 
(downtown Salt Lake--Emigration Canyon--Big Mountain Pass--Mountain 
Green--Trapper's Loop Road (past Snowbasin)--North Ogden Divide--Antelope 
Island out to Fielding Garr Ranch--back to SLC). I've thought about doing 
that as a 300+200 or whatever if I can't manage the club 600k this year, 
but I've finally got everything on the calendar in a way that works with 
the rest of our family obligations, so fingers crossed. 

Happy riding, 

Brady
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 1:31:56 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> Hey Brady,
>
> You live in a beautiful area!  I've only been there in the winter to the 
> ski resorts but imagine that it is amazing cycling there.  
>
> I don't know if your local club has 300k + 300k or something like that, 
> then you could practice the sleep thing.  The way I approached the 600k is 
> to ride 400k + 200k, so my practice was getting the 400k to a reasonable 
> time where I could grab a few hours before starting the 200k after rest.  
> I've done a few 600k events, but never a 1200k.  It won't be this year, but 
> I'm targeting the next Gold Rush Randonee in a couple of years.
>
> Have fun,
> Toshi in Oakland
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 10:34 AM Brady Smith  wrote:
>
>> As an educator, I'm also a fan of S.M.A.R.T goals, probably more so than 
>> my middle schoolers, though. 
>>
>> In 2023 I managed to ride 200k, 300k, and 400k brevets. For 2024, I'm 
>> planning on adding the 600k, in part because I've always wanted to do the 
>> whole series, in part because I scored an entry for for LEL 2025, and I 
>> need some practice riding, sleeping, then riding again. 
>>
>> I'd also like to commit to more mountain biking and finally make it up 
>> Little Cottonwood Canyon on the road bike, a feat I've never attempted due 
>> to its fearsome reputation and it being just a bit farther away from home 
>> than it's less fearsome sibling. 
>>
>> Brady in SLC
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Brady Smith]

As an educator, I'm also a fan of S.M.A.R.T goals, probably more so than my 
middle schoolers, though. 

In 2023 I managed to ride 200k, 300k, and 400k brevets. For 2024, I'm 
planning on adding the 600k, in part because I've always wanted to do the 
whole series, in part because I scored an entry for for LEL 2025, and I 
need some practice riding, sleeping, then riding again. 

I'd also like to commit to more mountain biking and finally make it up 
Little Cottonwood Canyon on the road bike, a feat I've never attempted due 
to its fearsome reputation and it being just a bit farther away from home 
than it's less fearsome sibling. 

Brady in SLC
On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:48:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism on 
> how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. "average 
> 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the specificity: 
> i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>
> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
> *something 
> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a good 
> thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny S.M.A.R.T. 
> goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking W's.  
>
> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>
> 10,000km ridden
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
> birthday as a regular event
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] RAGBRAI 2023 50th Anniversary Ride

[Brady Smith]

I saw all of the above plus a custom touring bike from Franklin Frames,
which the internet tells me is a now-defunct framebuilder from Ohio. 26"
wheels, Rene Herse 1x, SRAM AXS shifting. A really cool bike.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 10:57 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Probably my old boss, Richard hizself 浪
>
> JD
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:49 AM Lyman Labry  wrote:
>
>> I rode for the first time on my Homer.  I recall seeing a Saluki, Homers,
>>  an Atlantis, a couple of Hillbornes, a Heron, a Rambouillet, and a Frank
>> Gomez (I think it was). I met a gentleman mid-week who recently retired
>> from Waterford. Fun week.
>> Lyman in ATX
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 3:01 PM R. Alexis  wrote:
>>
>>> RBW List Members,
>>>
>>> I had a chance to ride the first day of RAGBRAI late last month. Things
>>> aligned that I had that weekend off and then discovered the first day of
>>> RAGBRAI was that Sunday and that it was the 50th anniversary of the ride.
>>> Found out that late Friday and thought about it. After thinking of doing a
>>> possible century that Saturday and not doing it I decided to jump in and do
>>> the first day of RAGBRAI that Sunday and also do a century by turning
>>> around at the second to last stop and going back. By my calculations doing
>>> so would have put me at the century mark. First day was 71 miles to the end
>>> city.
>>>
>>> I was on the Rivendell Mountain. Met some list RBW/iBOB members along
>>> the way. Names escape me. There was three of them, I think all from the
>>> Chicago area. One riding a 650B converted Trek stating he had just gotten
>>> an Appaloosa earlier in the week, another on a Sam Hillborne and the other
>>> on a Bridgestone RB-T or T 1000.
>>>
>>> I fell short of my goal. In doubling back I calculated I got to 64
>>> miles. Should have just rode to the end and hitched a ride back. Still
>>> enjoyed doing the ride. If I do it again will definitely be more prepared.
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis
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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 2023 50th Anniversary Ride

[Brady Smith]

I did the whole thing on my greysilver Roadini, which I brought off this 
listserv a year or two ago. I somehow missed the group you encountered, but 
I did see a couple with a Homer and a Hillborne, a lovely double-top tube 
Hillborne, a silver, flat bar Appaloosa, another woman on a very shiny 
Hillborne, and an Atlantis. It was a hot week, but a great ride all around. 

Brady in SLC

On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 2:01:30 PM UTC-6 R. Alexis wrote:

> RBW List Members,
>
> I had a chance to ride the first day of RAGBRAI late last month. Things 
> aligned that I had that weekend off and then discovered the first day of 
> RAGBRAI was that Sunday and that it was the 50th anniversary of the ride. 
> Found out that late Friday and thought about it. After thinking of doing a 
> possible century that Saturday and not doing it I decided to jump in and do 
> the first day of RAGBRAI that Sunday and also do a century by turning 
> around at the second to last stop and going back. By my calculations doing 
> so would have put me at the century mark. First day was 71 miles to the end 
> city. 
>
> I was on the Rivendell Mountain. Met some list RBW/iBOB members along the 
> way. Names escape me. There was three of them, I think all from the Chicago 
> area. One riding a 650B converted Trek stating he had just gotten an 
> Appaloosa earlier in the week, another on a Sam Hillborne and the other on 
> a Bridgestone RB-T or T 1000. 
>
> I fell short of my goal. In doubling back I calculated I got to 64 miles. 
> Should have just rode to the end and hitched a ride back. Still enjoyed 
> doing the ride. If I do it again will definitely be more prepared.
>
> Reginald Alexis 
>
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

[Brady Smith]

It'd be hard to go wrong with any Riv except maybe the Hillibikes. One of 
my fellow Salt Lake Randonneurs has a Rambouillet that he seems to really 
like. I haven't done any randonneuring on my Roadini, but having just 
finished RAGBRAI on my Roadini, I wouldn't hesitate to ride it for any 
randonneuring distance. Given that the seatpost on my usual brevet bike (a 
BMC monster cross) is irredeemably fused in place, it may well become my 
brevet bike if I ever have to box one for travel. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:50:34 PM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow - Gary it’s perfect!
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Gary Jacobson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Toyo 56 Atlantis. 650 b fenders over 1.75 tires. Ritchey Logic triple. 
> Sachs Qartzrd and fd. Early Son front, White Industry rear hub. 
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:46:04 AM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What a great setup, Bryan!
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:10 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> And mine: 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:03:31 AM UTC-4 bryan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Here is my Toyo Atlantis that I've got set up for my rando events/longer 
>>> road rides. It's wonderful. Clears 42s with fenders and I could probably go 
>>> a little bigger if I wanted but it's plenty. Super comfy for a long day in 
>>> the saddle, while remaining relatively light, though I don't care much 
>>> about weight. Just switched out the wheelset for tubeless/dynamo so now I'm 
>>> really good to go.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Toshi,
  No braze ons for the current run of Roadini’s but the wider tires 
 would certainly sweeten the ride. Some great ideas on setting up the bags. 
 I will have to try food up front and everything else in the back.
 Ian

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 wrote:

> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on 
> carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini 
> and 
> have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably 
> better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I 
> were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice 
> as 
> it balances speed and comfort.
>
> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I 
> had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have 
> any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't 
> "front 
> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food 
> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into 
> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is 
> not necessary.
>
> Good luck,
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] RAGBRAI L

[Brady Smith]

I'll be there on my Roadini. 

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-6 Tirebiter ATX wrote:

> I plan to ride my Homer
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 2:51 PM Michael Moore, Jr.  
> wrote:
>
>> Not this year, but I hope to bring my Bleriot in 2024 or 2025. I hear 
>> great things. Have fun!
>>
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>> Arcata, CA
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 12:21 PM Rusty Click  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone bringing their Riv to Iowa for RAGBRAI this year??
>>> Every year, I see a few and have met a few (Hello Julian), and would 
>>> like to maybe meet over some "Church Lady" pie and a cold refreshment!
>>>
>>> Rusty
>>> Pgh,PA
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[RBW] Re: Underbiking

[Brady Smith]

I bought a BMC La Cabra out of the first run and set it up with Ritchey 
Beacon bars. My first season riding in the mountains around Salt Lake City 
I did not see anyone else on drop bar bikes. The second year, I noticed a 
few people riding gravel bikes on mellow singletrack. So far this year the 
number of drop bar bikes has exploded. It could just be happenstance, but 
there does seem to be a growing market for trail-ready bikes that are more 
versatile than the standard mtb. I really like being able to ride 
comfortably to the trail, riding some singletrack, and then transitioning 
back to road for the trip home. The La Cabra has been a fun bikefishing rig 
as well. One of these days, I'll take it bike camping. I sometimes wish I 
had a hardtail or FS for riding in Park City or the more technical trails 
near my parents in Western Colorado, but when push comes to shove I can't 
justify the expense as long as the La Cabra is in my stable, at least for 
the kind of riding I do. 

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:17:14 AM UTC-6 R. Alexis wrote:

> The remake of the Wilderness Trail Bikes (WTB) Dirt Drop bar is the Nitto 
> RM3 Dirt Drop. Wonder if some patent kept them from reintroducing them 
> sooner that they did. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:01:42 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Dirt Drop mountain bikes are currently at a resurgence. The number of 
>> flared drop bars is at an all time high. The fact that Nitto finally 
>> started making the the dirt drop probably cemented its return. I have 
>> several bikes with Wilderness Trail Bikes Dirt Drop bars and one with a 
>> flared Nitto  RM014 flared drop on my Schwinn Voyageur touring bike. With 
>> gravel bikes currently part of the mainstream mix flared drops have settled 
>> in. The Surly Corner Bar Is a good example of the popularity of this type 
>> of bar. https://surlybikes.com/parts/corner_bar
>>
>> I have been a fan of the dirt drop bar since I first saw a 89 Trek 970 
>> mountain bike built with them. I think they are the perfect all rounder 
>> bar. The flair gives a nice, natural hand position, multiple hand 
>> locations. The other bar bar I have been happy with are the Jones H-Bar. 
>> Got a similar Surly Open Bar mounted on my Gary Fisher Gemini tandem in the 
>> captains position. 
>>
>> Reginald Alexis 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:33:40 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This Saturday I took my Roadini and went up Spring Ridge Road (Windy 
>>> Hill OSP) and descended Crazy Pete's (Coal Creak OSP). 
>>> https://www.strava.com/activities/9109425331
>>>
>>> I had one of those amazing days where I was "on". I set PRs down Crazy 
>>> Pete's (the last time I did it I was on a MTB with front suspension). The 
>>> Roadini's 6-8 pounds lighter than my MTB, and without suspension, I felt 
>>> like I could place my bike on precisely whatever lines I wanted, so much so 
>>> that when I went at full speed, my friend on her dual suspension CF MTB (a 
>>> Juliana Furtado) couldn't keep up downhill.
>>>
>>> I think the drop bars on my Roadini are partly responsible --- the low 
>>> position feels natural, and the modulation on the Tektro 559s are nothing 
>>> short of amazing. I remembered that one of Bridgestone's mountain bikes 
>>> back in the 1980s came with drop bars. I dug around and found this article 
>>> about "dirt drop" bars: 
>>> https://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2008/10/drop-bar-for-mountain-biking-part-i.html
>>>
>>> I guess since cycling is so driven by fashion, maybe some day the wheel 
>>> will turn and drop bars off road will come back into fashion. My experience 
>>> made me wonder if you designed the frame so that those brake pads are at 
>>> the bottom of the slots on the Tektro 559s, how big a tire can you fit? I 
>>> found this video on youtube where someone managed to squeeze a 2" tire on 
>>> those: https://youtu.be/vGnNkQJz-Fk?t=389
>>>
>>> Those of you with AHH or Roadinis, have you tried taking your bikes down 
>>> rocky/rooty single track? Taking a MTB down those feels like driving a 
>>> jeep, but riding the Roadini down one feels like you're a sushi chef 
>>> carving fish with precision --- a completely different feeling.
>>>
>>> Piaw
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini ride quality

[Brady Smith]

I have the 2020 Roadini in 54cm. I would describe the ride quality as 
"fabulous." By comparison, I also have a Black Mountain Cycles Monster 
Cross that I set up for randonneuring. In most situations, I would say the 
bikes are quite similar, even allowing for the fact that the BMC is shod in 
44mm Rene Herse tires and the Roadini currently has 32s. The biggest 
difference I've discerned is in stability at speed. The BMC starts to feel 
a little squirrelly north of 30 mph, never enough to be worrisome, but just 
enough so that I don't push down canyons on that bike as hard as I do on 
the Roadini, which is stable even beyond 40mph. I also think I can say that 
the Roadini spared me significant injury on one occasion. Last summer I hit 
something (an unseen rock or pothole, probably) coming down a steep hill at 
maybe 25 mph, hard enough to knock me on to the top tube and bend the 
handlebars down a bit. I remember thinking, "I am going to crash," but the 
bike kept going in a straight line long enough for me to bring it to a 
controlled stop. The front rim was dinged and I had to get out the allen 
keys to put the bars back where they should be, but otherwise everything 
was in good working order. Great bike. I can't ride it enough. 

Brady in SLC
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 10:06:40 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I got the same frame and it rides great. I think the BB could be 5mm 
> lower, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find a production frame that's 
> got a 80mm BB drop anyway. The bike handle greats on pavement and even 
> better off pavement --- I've ridden it with 25mm tires, 30mm tires (which 
> measured 28mm), and it now has 40mm tires (which measure 38mm) on it and I 
> ride it on trails that other people ride mountain bikes on, but that I 
> don't like driving to. I bought it as a backup bike for my custom touring 
> frame and it serves very well for that.
>
> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:36:17 PM UTC-8 doug...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone
>>
>> I've just gotten a Roadini 2022 frame in 54cm, looking to save up money 
>> for parts and build it up slowly.
>>
>> I'm really excited- never owned a Riv before, much less a Roadini.
>>
>> For Roadini owners, how does it ride?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

[Brady Smith]

I don't have much to say about numbers, but I have a BMC Monster Cross and 
a Roadini that, with the exception of brevets, I mostly use 
interchangeably. On flats and uphill they feel like very similar bikes. 
Downhill is where the Roadini really shines. Coming down the canyons here 
in Utah, the BMC feels great up until about 30 mph, at which point it gets 
ever so twitchy--not so much as to be alarming, but enough that I don't 
feel inclined to push the bike much farther. The Roadini, though, is 
marvelously stable at any speed. I absolutely love it. 

Brady in SLC

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:18:11 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>> Mackenzy probably nailed it up above. And, I'm sure Rivendell geometry 
>> has been copied by other brands, but do those imitators get the love that 
>> Rivs get?  
>>
>> I think the combination of slack seat tube, lowish BB, and long 
> chainstays is pretty hard to find. Treks go for a 73 degree seat tube, as 
> do Specialized and Soma. As for chainstays the Rivendells run 4cm or more 
> longer than the rest of the industry. And that's not factoring in the size 
> of the tubes which also affects the ride (in addition to steel vs carbon, 
> etc). You pretty much have to go custom to get anywhere close to the 
> geometry of a modern Rivendell bike. Then there's also the use of a quill 
> stem and threaded headset which also makes the front end more flexy than 
> the newer aheadset style stems. I'm always surprised by how stiff my custom 
> touring bike is on the front end compared with the Roadini. Neither bikes 
> are bad, but if I was going to ride on roughish pavement the Roadini 
> definitely feels smoother.
>  
>  Look at a modern gravel bike like the Open UPPER (which Jan Heine praises 
> as the ideal "all road" bike --- to the point where they're going to sell a 
> special Rene Herse edition of it on their website) and the differences are 
> even more stark. With 700c wheels and a 40mm tire, you're looking at a 
> trail of 69mm, which is going to give a slowish handling that's worlds away 
> from what a Rivendell has. Couple that with a steep seat tube and high BB 
> there's no way it will ride like a Rivendell. Even with 650B wheels that 
> bike still has a trail of 63mm, which is great for high speed fire road 
> descents but isn't going to ride on pavement with the agility that you'll 
> find in any of the Rivs.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Dynamo Wheel Day

[Brady Smith]

B lights are excellent. I have the IQ-XS. It's a great commuting light. 

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:43:50 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> I just received a Hands On Wheels 650b Cliffhanger with a Kasai Dynacoil 
> RB hub! I'm always amazed at the quality of Rich's wheels. I bought a front 
> only for my Clem and now need lights. I'm open to recommendations but have 
> been looking at Busch and Muller lights which seem on par with the best 
> made. The other, cheaper brands I've seen are AXA and Trelock. One other 
> surprise was Rich sent a Silver branded skewer. I did not know they offered 
> those but it looks classy and well made.
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Roadini formerly owned by Grant Petersen

[Brady Smith]

Hi Ezra,

Any idea on the TT measurements for this model? 

Thanks,

Brady

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 6:01:11 PM UTC-7 ezra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Unfortunately the day has come... I'm low on space/money and must sell my 
> beloved Roadini. This 2020 model was originally owned and ridden by Grant 
> Petersen for a few months as his personal bike. Then it was sold to me by 
> Rivendell as a demo at the end of 2020. Over the last year I have made a 
> fair share of changes and upgrades in order to make the bike fit me better 
> and ride a bit more sporty.
>
> -*54 cm Rivendell "Leo Roadini" Frame* (in really great shape other than 
> a few scuffs and nicks)
> -*Ritchey Zeta 700c Wheels* w/ Phantom flange removable/interchangeable 
> rear hub. Tubeless compatible, but run with tubes right now. Very light and 
> strong. Under 1500g 
> -*32mm Bontrager R3 Brown Sidewall Hard-Case Lite TLR Road Tire* My 
> favorite road tires I've ever owned. Perfect mix of fast and supple/cushy 
> yet puncture resistant. Still haven't flatted with these. Tubeless 
> compatible, but run tubed currently. Still very new. Less than 200 miles.
> -*42cm Soma Highway One* handle bars
> -*100mm Nitto Pearl Stem*. Nitto's top of the line fanciest stem.
> -Rivendell Silver2 Friction Shifters
> -FSA Duron Headset
> -Microshift silver double front derailler
> -Shimano Acera rear derailleur (scuffed and scratched a little bit)
> -Clipper triple crank with 50t-30t double chainring setup. (This 50t is a 
> bit bigger than they recommend, but it totally works and gives more range). 
> Tip of crank arm scratched a little.
> -11-32t Cassette
> -Tekro R559 Brakes
> -Shimano Brake levers
> -Nitto Seatpost
> -Newbaums bar cloth bar tape. Left side is brand new.
> -Saddle, bottle cages, and pedals not included
> *Located in Los Angeles*
>
> *$1875 *
> *(Local pickup preferred, but will ship if buyer pays for 
> packing/shipping)*
>
> [image: IMG_4911.jpeg][image: IMG_4912.jpeg][image: IMG_4913.jpeg][image: 
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[RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Brady Smith]

I regularly ride my Riv-styled BMC monster cross with a Rapha brevet jersey 
and Rivendell MUSA pants. I like the look, the jersey is great, and 
sometimes the pants are a welcome break from the usual lycra, especially in 
moderate temperatures. 

As for bikes, I too have been tempted by full-suspension mountain bikes, 
but in the end I decided that the BMC La Cabra was probably my best bet, 
and it's been great for the relatively mild singletrack available in the 
greater SLC area. Not having suspension forces me to ride more slowly and 
pick good lines, and the TRP Hylex disk brakes I have on it make speedy 
descents viable in a way they wouldn't be on a Gus. I have thought about 
adding a hardtail to the stable, but as I explained the idea to my wife, 
she said, "So you're proposing to spend $4k on a bike to avoid the 3 
minutes you spend walking out of a 3 hour mountain bike ride?" It sounds 
kind of silly when you put it that way. 

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:28:01 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> This is an interesting subject and there have been some good replies. 
>  Golf was mentioned.  I recall when clubs with fiberglass then later carbon 
> fiber shafts were introduced.  They made a big difference in the game for 
> someone with a slow, mild swing.  Later, oversized drivers came along. 
>  They gave the skilled golfer a distinct advantage.  Sobeit 
>
> In the mid-70's "standard" wooden tennis rackets were supplanted with 
> oversized net surfaces and aluminum shanks.  That advancement clearly 
> improved the game for many tennis buffs.
>
> But over the years there have been attempts to push things a bit too far. 
>  I remember when someone designed a tennis racket with soft, spaghetti-like 
> material in the netting.   This allowed the player to put "english" on the 
> ball that made return volleys nearly impossible and it was hastily outlawed 
> by various amateur and professional tennis associations.
>
> I used to do .22 rimfire silhouette shooting back in the 70's.  Then some 
> yahoo came along and invented a rifle with an electronic trigger wired to a 
> laser sight that wouldn't allow the shooter to pull the trigger unless the 
> rifle was absolutely dead-on the target.  That device, too, was outlawed. 
>  It took the fun out of the sport and took competition down the drain.
>
> I could go on, but the point is...where does one cross the line between 
> something that requires work and skill to develop an expertise versus just 
> throwing money at an innovation that runs ragged over everyone else?  So... 
> back to the subject of bikes, especially off-road MTB.  I've had people 
> riding $7K CF fat tired 1x11 bikes blow past me on the trails like I was 
> standing still.  They wanted to pay that much for the extra edge and it's 
> their prerogative to do so.  But I'm afraid that I have to draw the line 
> with these e-bikes.  Posters on some blogs insist on referring to them as 
> "mopeds" and for all intents and purposes, that is exactly what they are. 
>  Back when MTBing first became popular I remember reading lots of rants and 
> complaints from hikers who felt endangered by riders barreling down a path 
> at full tilt.  But gradually private, pay-as-you-go MTB courses were 
> developed and that pretty much separated the fully competitive riders from 
> the hikers.  Not so with e-bikes.  During the past several years I've 
> noticed a steady increase in those mechanized two-wheeled contraptions on 
> trails...and it's gradually becoming a dangerous threat to regular cyclists.
>
> So, in the final analysis, advancement in technology is not necessarily a 
> bad thing as long as it doesn't go to far, is kept in a proper environment, 
> and doesn't interfere with others.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:49:11 PM UTC-6 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> My wife and I are spending a week in northern AZ, which included a day of 
>> mountain biking in Sedona. We rented fancy dual-suspension, carbon fiber 
>> wonderbikes which are about as anti-Riv as you can get — and it was a 
>> fantastic experience! I’ve never ridden such a beast before, and was amazed 
>> at the terrain it could handle in the hands of a newcomer to this style of 
>> riding. It’s the most fun I’ve had on a bike in years.
>>
>> I had a Gus in my shopping cart when they were last on sale, but 
>> ultimately didn’t go through with the purchase because I want to be free to 
>> experiment with builds that depart from the Riv way of doing things, such 
>> as IGHs and disc brakes. And now I’m doubly glad I held off, because I am 
>> giving serious consideration to buying a fully modern mountain bike.
>>
>> In retrospect I think I gave too much credence to the idea of 
>> underbiking. There’s no way I could have handled this sort of terrain on a 
>> Riv-style bike — I would have been walking it the entire time. And while 
>> that may be the lowest common gear, as a former commenter here liked to 
>> say, it wouldn’t have been 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Hillborne

[Brady Smith]

Hi Ahmed, 

Any chance you'd consider parting it out or just selling the rolling 
chassis? 

Brady in SLC

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 8:27:27 AM UTC-7 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> Thanks for the advice Bill. I’ll think on that. 
>
> Best
> A
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 7:16 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Ahmed is selling a $2900 Hillborne.  
>>
>> I notice you have a super expensive saddle on the bike.  If you sold the 
>> bike with no saddle, you could drop the price.  If you don't like the 
>> saddle, maybe you could sell the saddle separately which could also lower 
>> the price of the remaining build.  You could do something similar with the 
>> front rack, which is pretty valuable, and desirable, and currently sold out 
>> at Riv.  
>>
>> I mention this because over on iBob, a poster is requesting to buy a 
>> Berthoud Aubisque saddle, in any color, before going and paying full 
>> retail.  If your Berthoud saddle is an Aubisque, maybe you could sell it 
>> separately.  Most buyers of used bikes expect to BYO pedals and saddle.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>
>>> Let's try this again
>>> For Sale my 55cm Hillborne. Purchased in 2019 from Riv. Velocity Atlas 
>>> 700c, Silver cranks and MKS pedals, Berthoud saddle, Nitto seatpost and 
>>> Nitto Dirtdrop stem, Crust/Nitto dropbars plus Brooks bartape with stem 
>>> shifter. Nitto front rack with Wald big basket. Only about 1k miles on it. 
>>> Selling to thin the herd and make room for another build. $2900 and prefer 
>>> local only. Would love to sell it here before I put it up on Craigslist. 
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Ahmed in San Mateo, CA
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[RBW] Re: New Bike-Trade Day - A(nother) Quickbeam

[Brady Smith]

Great bike! I also share Paul's enthusiasm for the view. Until June I lived 
right on the other side of the bridge from where that shot was taken and 
rode my bike into the city for work. Utah has natural canyons as opposed to 
man-made ones, but I do miss those long, rolling hills along the Hudson and 
the whole NYC bike commuter scene.  

Brady in SLC

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:17:15 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Fabulous Fort Lee!! Go Bridgemen!!! Er, Bridgepeople
>
> Paul "Formerly From Fort Lee" Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Hi Bunch,
>>
>> *tl:dr - Kyle's Quickbeam was too big. Mine was maybe too small. We 
>> swapped. Photos.*
>>
>> I've ridden an orange Quickbeam for about 5 years. It's seen all sorts of 
>> builds, all sorts of rides, camping trips, commutes; the slow end of a 
>> toxic relationship and the start of a healthy one, an engagement, a 
>> cross-country move (again), a pandemic a career change... As you can 
>> imagine, I'm in love with the bike. My first and only Rivendell (so far) 
>> but I don't really feel the itch for another. Ok maybe a Mountain Mixte. Or 
>> Roadeo. Or Saluki, maybe. I digress. 
>>
>> I sold a few frames so I could purchase it, used, from an angel named 
>> John who even let me pay in installments. I've learned a lot about bikes 
>> and about wrenching, but also about sizing in the short 5 years since - one 
>> thing I learned is that I should/could ride larger bikes than I thought. 
>>
>> For a while it was my only bike. Kyle from Golden Saddle Cycles used to 
>> frequently catch me outside riding the QB back when I lived in LA, or when 
>> I visited his shop, and every time he would remind me he'd gladly purchase 
>> that bike when I'm ready to sell. You can imagine my answer - however, he 
>> never let up. 
>>
>> Fast forward to cruising Instagram late last year, now living in NYC, and 
>> I saw that Kyle finally got his holy grail - a silver Quickbeam - but in a 
>> size too big for him. He thought he'd like to try out a French fit, but it 
>> didn't work out. So I wrote him, thinking his new-to-him 56 would fit me 
>> better (or, differently + nicely) than my beloved 54. He agreed, and we 
>> packed and shipped each other our frames (he had me ship his to Black Magic 
>> Paint!) 
>>
>> I've spent the past month rebuilding; highlights include a TA crank, 
>> shiny VO fenders, Compass Maes Parallel bar, Swift rando bag, dyno 
>> lighting, Paul brakes (minimoto front, touring rear), 38mm Gravelking 
>> slicks.
>>
>> Was it worth the $80ish in shipping? Maybe. It's not necessarily *more* 
>> comfortable, but *differently* comfortable. I do like having a shorter 
>> stem, and less seatpost showing than before - that feeling of being *in* 
>> it, rather than *above* it. All in all - with the new color and different 
>> (again) parts - it's kinda like a new bike day, for under $100.
>>
>> Patch
>> BK/NYC
>>  [image: image3 (2).jpeg][image: image1 (16).jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Brady Smith]

For quick trips around town I usually just wear hiking books--with wool 
socks, I'm plenty warm down into the teens. 

For longer rides, there's really nothing better than neoprene shoe covers. 
I went out for almost four hours today in 35 degree weather, wearing 
regular cycling socks, my Pearl Izumi all-road shoes, and a pair of old 
Giro shoe covers I bought when I started bike commuting a few years ago. 
Toasty the whole time. I've survived 60 minute bike commutes in single 
digits with those and hiking socks. They don't mesh real well with casual 
wear, but I find that this is one area where technical roadie gear is 
superior to most other options. 

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just finished a nearly 2 hour fatbike ride on a snow covered trail in 20 
> degree weather. I was wearing one pair of medium weight socks with these 
> insulated, separate thinsulate liner, rubber boots. Toasty warm the whole 
> time.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> Sounds like you’re going in the right direction.  There are also toe and 
> hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases heat—and 
> battery powered heated socks.  
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hi Bruce - 
>>
>> Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties. I 
>> was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber 
>> soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my 
>> toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I 
>> finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes 
>> off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were wet). 
>> I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then 
>> getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the 
>> moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective. 
>>
>> I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof. 
>> Which type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both 
>> cold weather and extremely cold weather. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for 
>>> 20-30 deg rides.
>>>
>>> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base 
>>> layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  
>>> Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity 
>>> pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins (breathable) 
>>> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size 
>>> too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. merino 
>>> ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is 
>>> breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet 
>>> will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>>
 We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those 
 days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and 
 then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work 
 for rain as well. 

 My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks deal 
 with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA 

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 On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:

 Hi all -


 Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I 
 am finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working 
 out 
 well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
 problem areas:

 - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
 socks and mountain biking shoes 
 .
  
 After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
 starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
 starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
 hours) ride.

 - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
 
  
 with a breathable jacket 
 

Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Brady Smith]

This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini shipment, 
but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and that's 
already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable, boring 
ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a rim-brake 
home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead. 

Brady in SLC
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> It is a great orange :)
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>
>> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like 
>> it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a 
>> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is 
>> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you 
>> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are 
>> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't 
>> it. 
>> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now I 
>> fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all 
>> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty 
>> claims.
>> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
>> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because 
>> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>>
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me 
>>> (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is 
>>> 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b 
>>> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those 
>>> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but 
>>> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an 
>>> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All 
>>> City bike.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I 
 liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, 
 more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.

 The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.

 Eric

 On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:

> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>
> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard 
> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never 
> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the 
> bike with Waive bars. 
>
> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>
> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
> unseen difficult. 
>
> Ezra
> Michigan 
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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Brady Smith]

Is there any reason why one couldn’t just use medium reach brakes with 
skinnier tires on this new model? I’m starting to wonder if the new VO 
Randonneur might not be a better option, or if I should just keep an eye 
out for an older Roadini/Rambouillet. I already have a BMC monster cross I 
use with 42mm tires. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:59:29 PM UTC-7 Scott Calhoun wrote:

> Count me among those with no enthusiasm for 55-73mm long reach caliper 
> brakes. IME, much worse performance than medium 47-57mm reach brakes. In 
> the medium reach format, one has several high quality brake options: Velo 
> Orange Grand Cru, TRP 957, and Paul Racer M. In long reach calipers, 
> especially now that the Paul Racer regulars have been discontinued, there 
> are no high performance options to my knowledge.
>
> I would have prefered sticking with the medium reach, or going to canti 
> posts if wider than 38mm tires is a must.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:38:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m out. 
>> Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal setup. 
>>
>> But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) and 
>> eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes the 
>> same way and sooner than later. 
>>
>> Abe
>>
>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach brakes 
>>> kill it for me. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
 I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change 
 over to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup 
 that the previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V 
 brakes that look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the bikes 
 toward that. The only reason I can think that they would make that change 
 is because sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But 
 making a decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how Rivendell 
 normally does things.

 On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:

> I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 
> brakes do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in 
> wet. I find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably 
> create toe overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a 
> Rivendell frame that works for me. 
> [image: DSC00040.JPG]
>
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed 
>> for R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as 
>> I’m 
>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. 
>> That 
>> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 
>> 80’s 
>> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>>
>> Eamon
>> Seattle 
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[RBW] Re: New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Brady Smith]

My wife has already agreed to buy me a frame in Mermaid for our 10th 
wedding anniversary. Cannot wait. 
On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:01:21 PM UTC-7 BobW wrote:

> That's great to hear!  Where did you see this announcement?  I did not 
> notice anything on the Riv website???
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:46:12 AM UTC-5 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed for 
>> R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as I’m 
>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. That 
>> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 80’s 
>> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>>
>> Eamon
>> Seattle 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Night riding

[Brady Smith]

I'm a teacher, so I used to commute in the dark pretty frequently. Now that 
we've moved and I have to drive (SLC to Park City is not really bikeable 
with any regularity, unfortunately), in the warmer months I'll do after 
work rides with the expectation that I'll get home in the dark. I usually 
follow the RUSA guidelines for night riding--bright vest, ankle reflectors, 
two taillights, and my dynamo front light with a battery light in reserve. 
I do try to keep my speed lower heading down canyons in the dark, though. 
The night riding is peaceful, and I love watching the sun set over the 
Oquirrhs from across the valley. 

Brady, 

Salt Lake City

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:08:15 AM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Bones,
>
> Thank you for sharing.  I, too, have been guilty of not donning all the 
> gear one normally does.  The palms thing really stuck in my mind.  Thanks 
> again for the kind reminders!!
>
> All the Best,
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA 
>
> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 9:04:43 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>
>> I too commute year-round and I ride primarily at night. I work evenings 
>> and nights and commute via bicycle, and I've been doing so for about ten 
>> years so I'll add some safety tips. I took a pretty nasty midnight spill 
>> back in May. I took a right hand turn a bit too close to the curb and could 
>> not see the thin layer of gravel/sand on the street. It was pitch black, no 
>> cars around, I had a dynamo on the bike, and I was traveling at about 
>> 15mph. Still didn't see it. The bike went out from under me and I skid 
>> about 15ft. So lesson number one was to slow down on the turns and take 'em 
>> wide. The bike was almost completely unharmed, except for a minor scuff to 
>> the left grip and a lovely new red paint job, courtesy of my palms. Plenty 
>> of bruising and scrapes but mostly on my hands, which I suppose 
>> instinctively did their job. I went back the next day to collect the pieces 
>> of my apple watch, which did a fantastic job protecting my wrist. That was 
>> lesson number two: always wear gloves. After I got up and realized how bad 
>> it was I reached into my BananaSax and pulled out a bandana, which made a 
>> great tourniquet. I wish I had packed two though, as both palms were in 
>> very bad shape. Lesson number three: always pack a few bandanas.
>>
>> I'm not adding this to discourage anyone from riding at night, I just 
>> hope other folks can learn from my mistakes. I love riding at night, 
>> especially late. Few cars, no sounds... it's a whole different world. Like 
>> Roberta stated: very stress relieving and soothing. *Especially* after 
>> work.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 5:35:57 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I like to separate the arms race of lumens and reflective area on my 
>>> night rides. They are slower, tend to last longer if I'm not on a to-bed 
>>> schedule for early wake up. Not so concerning after this weekend. I was at 
>>> the dog park with my pup and before I really took note of the sunset. 64° 
>>> was headed for the 40°s under the clear skies and I was in shorts, T-shirt 
>>> and a shell.
>>>
>>> I've reported on night rides around here before, where there are 
>>> definitely two cultures of dark riding. One that starts around the corner 
>>> from my house has been more of a Dirty Dozen Bike Race 
>>>  training ride and has been running three 
>>> sadomasochistic hours and thirty miles weekly. The other began with my 
>>> friend and me after the regular riding season meeting at that coffee shop 
>>> ended in October. We meander, we invite new to the dark riders, we go 
>>> places the high tempo riders skip for better paces and miles while they 
>>> train for the Dirty Dozen bike Race originated by ultra rider Danny Chew. 
>>> They all tend to be on their road racing bikes with battery lights. I have 
>>> evolved (over 25? years) to dyno hubs, wired LED head and taillights, 
>>> carrying a rechargeable set to back others up in case of a fail. Don't like 
>>> phantom bikes around me unless we're clustering around a rider who's 
>>> batteries died. A few of us continue into the bad weather, be it wet or 
>>> cold. It adds to the challenging character of night riding. Headlights 
>>> redefine a place you ride in the daylight, focussing on what's important 
>>> and redefining all else. 
>>>
>>> I like to include photo stops, curious passageways, local sights and 
>>> surprising connections. Food and drink often involved. Too hard for new 
>>> initiates to dark riding to grasp the fast cool of darkness mentioned by 
>>> Denis in NC and adequately provide for full spectrum physical output so we 
>>> try not to get too sweat soaked at any point although everyone's experience 
>>> (effort/perspiration) will vary on any given hill so accommodation is my 
>>> byword. I like to have a big enough bag on my bike to carry extra layers 
>>> ("normalizing" items for a restaurant) and a 

[RBW] Re: Susie in a downhill bike park

[Brady Smith]

That's awesome. I just bought a BMC La Cabra and have felt a tad bit 
conspicuous riding it on trails in the greater Salt Lake area. Glad to know 
there's someone else out there doing the rigid MTB thing. I'll be up in 
Park City during the day for the next couple weeks and can't wait to 
explore. I probably won't try lift parks, though...

On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 4:50:45 PM UTC-6 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thought folks might be interested in my recent experience taking my Susie 
> to Deer Valley lift-serviced downhill bike park.  Overall it was highly 
> enjoyable despite dealing with ridiculous bros.
>
> Got a ton of looks and comments, ranging from very positive ("Right on!", 
> "Old school!", "Love it!") to puzzled and dismissive ("good luck, buddy").
>
> She handled great! I don't ride downhill hardly ever, but she was super 
> balanced even on the black diamond stuff that the bros were tearing down. I 
> was able to keep up with my friends who were basically riding soft dually 
> suspended pillows. I found my Tosco bars to be perfect for the descents, 
> and my 2.5" Terravail's at 10psi to be enough to absorb a lot of the bumps 
> and grippy in tight corners.
>
> I was a little nervous about how she would do on some fairly gnarly 
> terrain and she was great.  Not looking to spend too much time at bike 
> parks, but good to know she is up for the challenge if I do.
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB VERY used Snoqualmie Pass

[Brady Smith]

I have a set of SnoPs mounted to H Plus Son TB 14 rims under the VO 52s on 
my BMC Monstercross. I ride a mix of road and dirt and find clearances to 
be acceptable.
On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4 Adam wrote:

> Thanks
>
> And thanks to the list, I have some on the way.
>
> I'll post back about fit under the VO 52s. I may just start another thread 
> about fender clearances on dirt. I've installed the Portland Design Works 
> releases, but am putting a lot of faith in them to actually work when 
> needed.
>
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 12:46:13 AM UTC-4 David Baldi wrote:
>
>> No luck here, but just chipping in to say that, when mounted on 
>> Cliffhangers, the SnoPs do just fit under VO 52mm fenders (Sam H). It is 
>> close enough to sketch me out a bit on dirt. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:09:48 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adam
>>> Are you still making sling shots and selling security screws and bolts.
>>> I have a pair of "barely used "Snoqualmie pass 700c tires.  Black 
>>> sidewall.
>>> My priorities have changed. Flat resistant takes precident over cushy 
>>> ride I had a flat and went back to schwalbe.
>>> This maybe more than you want to spend . You can see the fine tread like 
>>> new. They are pretty close to being a slick.
>>> How about $60 for both plus a sling shot and free shipping depending 
>>> where you live. 
>>> Let me know.
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 11, 2021, 1:49 PM Adam  wrote:
>>>

 Hi all,

 I'm thinking about buying some snoqualmie pass tires, but would love to 
 try them on some of the surfaces I ride before committing to the price of 
 new ones.

 Does anyone have a set of VERY used sonqualmie passes that they'd be 
 willing to sell for cheap? Even if they only have <50miles left, that's 
 fine, I just want to check clearances under the VO 52mm fenders, their 
 handling of mud and dirt, and compare them to the cazaderos I'm currently 
 using.

 Thanks

 Adam

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[RBW] Re: Salt Lake City Cycling Question

[Brady Smith]

nd goatheads a real issue in the central 
>> and western parts of the valley, particularly along the Jordan River Trail 
>> corridor. Most of the cycling on Wasatch Blvd and up into the canyons you 
>> won't have much of an issue with them, thought they do appear occasionally. 
>> I never found any near Park City. Good luck with the move! 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-5 Glen wrote:
>>
>>> The only area I am aware of that goat heads are an issue is one section 
>>> of the main north/south multi purpose trail (Jordan River Trail) and SLCo 
>>> has an active eradication program. The trail is usually very clear of them 
>>> but the shoulders can trap them in the cinders/gravel. Your current tires 
>>> will be perfect for most of your riding here. 
>>>
>>> Feel free to DM if you have any questions you'd like to ask a fellow 
>>> mid-atlantic transplant.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 7:43:51 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like the family and I are relocating to Salt Lake City. Question 
>>>> for fellow Utah listers: How big of a problem are goat heads? I was on the 
>>>> verge of ordering a new dynamo wheel a few months ago but held off in case 
>>>> going fully tubeless winds up making more sense. In New Jersey, where we 
>>>> have glass but not thorns, I've been running Rene Herse tires in 700x44 
>>>> with tubes and had no flat issues. I gather that this setup is not going 
>>>> to 
>>>> serve me especially well out west. Do I put sealant in my tubes? Go fully 
>>>> tubeless? Or would something like the Soma Shikoro be enough as long as 
>>>> I'm 
>>>> riding mostly road/gravel?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Brady in NJ/soon to be Utah
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Salt Lake City Cycling Question

[Brady Smith]

Looks like the family and I are relocating to Salt Lake City. Question for 
fellow Utah listers: How big of a problem are goat heads? I was on the 
verge of ordering a new dynamo wheel a few months ago but held off in case 
going fully tubeless winds up making more sense. In New Jersey, where we 
have glass but not thorns, I've been running Rene Herse tires in 700x44 
with tubes and had no flat issues. I gather that this setup is not going to 
serve me especially well out west. Do I put sealant in my tubes? Go fully 
tubeless? Or would something like the Soma Shikoro be enough as long as I'm 
riding mostly road/gravel?

Best,

Brady in NJ/soon to be Utah

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[RBW] Re: experience with Dia Compe 980s + tires wider than 45mm

[Brady Smith]

I'll second what Bones said. I have the DC980s on a BMC Monster Cross with 
Snoqualmie Passes and there is tons of clearance. Shouldn't be a problem at 
all. 

Brady in NJ

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Luke, that's correct! And thank you!
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 9:16:55 AM UTC-8 Luke Volkmann wrote:
>
>> Howdy, I'm assuming that you're talking about the newer Dia Compe 980s 
>> with threaded posts and not the 1980's 980s. I'm using these on a Crust 
>> Romanceur with Rene Herse 650x48's that are measuring around 47mm on the 
>> Pacenti Brevet rims. I don't need to deflate the tires when removing the 
>> wheels from the bike. It'll take a look later and see if it looks like 2 
>> more mm would still be an easy fit.
>>
>> Luke in Seattle
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 7:48:07 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bunch,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with Dia Compe 980s + tires wider than 45mm ?
>>>
>>> Do you reckon I would have to deflate a tire that measures 49mm to fit 
>>> through?
>>>
>>> I actually don't know the post spacing on the frame in question and 
>>> realize that may be a contributing factor. I'll measure when I can, which 
>>> is not right now.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Patch
>>> BK/NY
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Tire Recs

[Brady Smith]

Kai, point taken. This will probably all be gone by end of the week. Now if
only I could count on the Port Authority to keep the GWB walkway open!

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 9:30 PM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a pair of 26” studded schwalbes winter marathons I could sell you.
> I moved to Manhattan since Covid hit and I just walk to work instead of
> biking now, so I’m not rocking the studded tires this season. Studded tires
> are awesome.
>
> If not, I recommend some other type of Schwalbe tires.
>
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
> wrote:
>
>> Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pros, because January through April's gonna see more
>> snow than ever!, probably won't melt until July in Northern Jersey, maybe
>> August.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:46:15 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I put a pair of Snoqualmie Pass tires on my BMC monster cross this
>>> spring and rode the hell out of them all summer, but as it gets colder and
>>> my riding is increasingly restricted to commuting, I find myself using the
>>> bike less and less. Objectively, I've had one puncture in about 1000 miles,
>>> which is a lot better than the ostensibly tougher Pasela Protites I had on
>>> the bike before. But I still don't find the Herse tires especially
>>> confidence-inspiring in winter conditions, especially when I can't see the
>>> road surface that well. I have some Riv gift credit forthcoming and I'm
>>> thinking about getting some Shikoro's or Cazadero's in the 42mm size to put
>>> on until brevet season gets going again in the spring. Those of you who've
>>> used these Soma tires--is it worth swapping? Or should I trust in the
>>> Herse's until experience shows otherwise?
>>>
>>> Brady in Fort Lee, NJ
>>>
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[RBW] Winter Tire Recs

[Brady Smith]

I put a pair of Snoqualmie Pass tires on my BMC monster cross this spring 
and rode the hell out of them all summer, but as it gets colder and my 
riding is increasingly restricted to commuting, I find myself using the 
bike less and less. Objectively, I've had one puncture in about 1000 miles, 
which is a lot better than the ostensibly tougher Pasela Protites I had on 
the bike before. But I still don't find the Herse tires especially 
confidence-inspiring in winter conditions, especially when I can't see the 
road surface that well. I have some Riv gift credit forthcoming and I'm 
thinking about getting some Shikoro's or Cazadero's in the 42mm size to put 
on until brevet season gets going again in the spring. Those of you who've 
used these Soma tires--is it worth swapping? Or should I trust in the 
Herse's until experience shows otherwise? 

Brady in Fort Lee, NJ 

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[RBW] Re: Cycling in cold

[Brady Smith]

I’ll do my 20 mike round trip commute down into single digits, provided ice 
isn’t an issue. In that weather, I’m wearing my winter bibs, wool socks, 
overshoes, a thermal baselayer, a wool jersey, an outer layer (usually my 
Rapha insulated brevet jacket), a hat and mittens. I have a pretty heavy 
beard which is usually enough for face protection. I always carry chemical 
hand warmers in case I have to stop, but in that weather I’m on the bike 
with Jack Brown Blues, which have only suffered one puncture in about 3000 
miles, and that with a child on the back of the bike. I find I’m cold for 
the first mile or so but pretty comfortable thereafter. 

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 5:27:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> About 25*F this morning when I left for church. I ride down to the upper 
> teens, if sun is bright enough and winds are light enough; this is, 
> generally, low humidity cold: 40*F in Atlanta is worse, worse worse than 
> 25* in Albuquerque.
>
> But this was one of those mornings when your oil turned to sludge 
> (slushbucket Sturmey Archer AM hub), your brake blocks rubbed, your Rene 
> Herse supple casings turned into thick-sidewalled studded knobbies, and 
> there was a headwind from every quarter. My quads burned at the slightest 
> rise.
>
> So what. This is what. I'm curious about: (1) how cold do you ride? 
> Meaning, tell us the lowest temperature you will ride in. (2) Do you find 
> you need more energy to maintain warmer-weather benchmarms? (3) Tell us 
> about bike or style or clothing or other adaptations for cold (I know this 
> is open to interpretation, but let's define it as sub 32*F) weather?
>
> One parting shot, an obersvation: The pit zips I had put into a cycling 
> shell are one of the best investments I've made for cold weather cycling. 
> This morning, I rode outbound in merino crewneck (dressy weight), Ibex wool 
> vest, and Leatt shell with pit zips closed and placket zipped to chin Came 
> home at 38*F with ditto, but placket open a bit and pit zips fully open; 
> big comfort.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Ringing out 2020, Goals for 2021

[Brady Smith]

I was fortunate enough to slightly exceed my 5000 mile goal this year 
despite a lot of disruptions and some nagging injuries—sitting at about 
5500 right now. 

For a brief period early in the pandemic I was on track to hit almost 7000 
miles, but childcare fell through, and longer solo rides turned into 
various park trips with the 4 year old on the back of my touring bike. I 
probably hit 1000 miles with the kid, which was one of the silver linings 
of an otherwise rough spring/summer. 

I had a few long rides on the calendar that fell through due to COVID, but 
I did finish my first 200k in February, and managed a few trips up to Bear 
Mountain and back (I live in North Jersey). 

I commute about 100 miles a week, and that looks to continue through the 
winter. I teach at a private school in NYC, and we’re not closing unless 
the state mandates it, so on we go. Hoping for 6000 miles in the coming 
year, including a pair of 200ks, the Princeton 300k, and D2R2, 
pandemic-depending. I sort of doubt those will happen, but you never know. 

Best of luck to everyone on their 2021 aspirations!

-Brady Smith



On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 1:16:37 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> My 2020 goal had been to put up a legitimately "big" year.  My 
> 'achievable' goal was 10,000km, and my 'stretch goal' was 10,000 miles.  
> I'm in the phase of life where I want to remain fit enough that I feel 
> equipped to enjoy the next phase of life where I'm not working so much.  
>
> I did 200k brevets in January and February with San Francisco Randonneurs 
> to start off the year, and had 300k and 400k brevets on the calendar. Later 
> in the Spring, I had a week-long California coast tour planned out.  The 
> 300k got cancelled due to a logistical household crisis at home that kept 
> me up all night the night before.  The 400k and the Coast Tour got 
> cancelled due to Covid.  
>
> I spent the first few months of the pandemic hardly cycling at all, fell 
> way behind target for 10,000km and got a little bit discouraged about it.  
> It was July when I think I started snapping out of it and started back up.  
> I had fairly big months in August and September.  I did several solo 100km 
> rides, including a summit of Mt Diablo, and did a solo 200km out my front 
> door and through Marin.  After some serious catch up, 10,000km came back 
> into the realm of possibility.  
>
> I had a two week vacation planned in October, which was to include some 
> travel.  The travel was out, due to Covid, so I was going to substitute a 
> staycation with a lot of riding. The first week worked out well, and the 
> second week did not, and that kicked off another comparative lull that 
> continues to now.  10,000km didn't happen, but I did get past 4,000 miles.  
> My riding always features a good amount of climbing, and I've got over 
> 300,000 feet of vertical for 2020, which is a decent ratio for my mileage.  
> The number I use to categorize a "hilly" ride from a "flat" ride is 100ft 
> per mile, so 75ft per mile in 2020 tells me I did a lot of 'hilly' riding.  
>
> For 2021 I'd like to execute a do-over for my 10,000km goal.  That's just 
> over 6,000 miles, so a solid 500 miles per month gets me there.  That means 
> riding just about every day, and sprinking in one or two 'long' rides each 
> month.  I don't have a suitable time slot to plan another week-long tour, 
> so I won't have that opportunity to rack up a ton of miles.  I'll need to 
> spread it out more evenly.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 5:47:01 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I haven't had an odometer on my bike since March so I fall short of any 
>> tally or objective to quantify for this year. I am simply looking forward 
>> to more and better next year and wonder how many others have let their 
>> minds go forward for consideration of next year's opportunities.
>>
>> Bicycling has been my balm for this past year, my hospital unit became 
>> the COVID-19 unit and I have been in that trench since March, bike 
>> commuting to and from each shift appreciating all of the conditions the 
>> seasons have thrown along the way. In the warmer months I actually commuted 
>> with my Rambouillet, stopping when the season obviated its less than 
>> optimum preparation for full darkness. I've brought it to safety in its 
>> beausavaged condition, I'll clean it up when I can. 
>>
>> Next week I'm getting pre-procedure COVID swabbed for reconstruction of 
>> my shoulder, as long as the Thanksgiving surge doesn't bar elective 
>> interventions. No injury involved, just the remnants of an interesting life 
>> lived so far. I'll be in a sling for some time, they'll tell me after the 
>&

Re: [RBW] Re: The “Is It Normal Or Is It Broken” New Bike Game!

[Brady Smith]

I concur with all the advice about getting your own work stand. I bought a 
basic Park Tool stand a few years ago and went from relying on the shop for 
everything to doing everything but wheel builds on my own. Entirely worth 
it.

I’m also a stickler for noises. A few weeks ago I started up my long local 
climb and heard an audible click every time I turned the pedals. I spent a 
few hundred yards switching between pedaling and not pedaling, remaining 
seated and getting out of the saddle, only to locate the source of the 
problem—a creaky left knee. 2020 is officially the year I’ve started to 
feel old.
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:37:15 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm just confessing I DIDN'T check. Because Joe Bernard, Master Mechanic 
> Who Knows All The Things, is kinda not smart!  
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 3:31:46 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Guys, it’s NOT it. I know this because I use to cause it with my shoe too 
>> close to the where the pedal connected to the crank on my old Clementine, 
>> you know I checked. But that’s not it on The Rowdy Platypus. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Dude, that's a good call. I've had the "rubbing clothes on things" issue 
>> before, and it was the LAST thing I thought about after checking every 
>> freaking nut and bolt and pad and chainring on the bike. This could be it!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 3:19:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> If the noise occurs while you're on the bike but not while it's on the 
>>> stand, maybe you're the cause of the sound! 
>>>
>>> Let me explain--recently, my bike had a "click, click, click" sound I 
>>> heard only while I was pedaling--I couldn't figure out of it was a pedal 
>>> bearing, the bottom bracket, something stuck in the chain, or something 
>>> else. Then I watched carefully as I pedaled, and saw my pant cuff was 
>>> bumping against the derailleur cable end.
>>>
>>> In your photos, I noticed you're wearing a pair of brown leather 
>>> boots--could your boot heel, side, or cuff be bumping the fender as your 
>>> foot returns around the crank?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Friends!
>>>
>>> Well, you tried. And I read every suggestion - including one an iBob 
>>> sent to Patrick Moore to send to me; thank you, iBob guy! - and took them 
>>> to the shop with my two bikes. The guy who greeted me looked rather 
>>> surprised to see me again and immediately called out, “NNNC!” 
>>>
>>> “Oh, hi, Leah!” said Nico, who now, embarrassingly, remembers me by 
>>> name. “What’s going on now?”
>>>
>>> “This is a rowdy Platypus,” I said. 
>>>
>>> 1. Platypus.
>>>
>>> I could not make that bike create the rub for love nor money! I had the 
>>> video, which proved I’m not a crazy person looking for excuses to visit 
>>> Nico at the bike shop. When he could not determine the cause, I read him 
>>> your lists of guesses as to the origin of the sounds. He checked everything 
>>> - everything! - and not one thing was rubbing. He made sure everything was 
>>> tight (it was.). Cables and wires were situation correctly. Bolts were not 
>>> interfering with moving parts. The rear fender is close to the chainstays, 
>>> but the paint was unmarred so, doubtful. He put a clear sticker there to 
>>> see if it gets scratched, but then did me one better and crimped the fender 
>>> away from the stay. He rode it aggressively in the parking lot and The 
>>> Rowdy Platypus behaved like a champ. 
>>>
>>> I decided that I’m going to ride this thing regardless and hope that 
>>> mechanical parts have a tendency break in and straighten out.
>>>
>>> 2. Clementine.
>>>
>>> “You brought the blue bike back, too? What’s wrong with it now?!” 
>>>
>>> I played the video (thank goodness I had proof) and Nico said it wasn’t 
>>> a brake pad. He confirmed this on the stand. It was a little bit of a 
>>> mystery but he dropped both wheels and a the fender bolts were 
>>> loose under there. Like, LOOSE. This reminds me that someday I’m going to 
>>> open a bike and coffee shop we’ll call The Wiggly Fender, because I have a 
>>> history of this, but I digress. Nothing else was found to be wrong with the 
>>> Clem, so we’re hoping that takes care of the noise.
>>>
>>> I took The Rowdy Platypus and the Clem back home and I put that Platypus 
>>> through its paces. 17.1 miles, I took it, because that’s the exact mileage 
>>> I needed to make my 3,000 mile goal for 2020. That’s for another thread. 
>>> The bike mostly behaved itself with minimal rubbing sounds on 2 occasions. 
>>> There’s no friction or resistance as I pedal, so I guess that’s good. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping me along. ♥️
>>> Leah
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> The most maddening noises for me are the ones like Leah's current 
>>> conundrum, 

[RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Brady Smith]

I’ve been wearing disposable surgical masks on my rides to and from work. 
The wire band at the top conforms to my nose well enough to prevent fogging 
and they are easy to pull down on open stretches where there are no other 
people. Not the most sustainable option, but they work better for riding 
than anything else I’ve tried. I really don’t think anyone is likely to 
spread or get COVID-19 from a passing encounter with a cyclist, but I ride 
in NYC where there isn’t a lot of space, and arrivals at my school are 
quite crowded due to complicated entry protocols, so I don’t want to roll 
up without a mask on. 
On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 5:10:42 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Can anyone suggest one, preferably one that is easy on/off, or at least 
> easy to slip down when solitary and up when in public? I've been using 
> basic cloth masks and (1) they're suffocating under any exertion, (2) they 
> fog my shades, (3) the ear loops detach easily from your ears, so slipping 
> them down often pulls them off.
>
> I am quite prepared to learn that the entire official protocol for 
> infection avoidance is bunkum, and I am heartily disposed to believe that 
> my political leaders are both inept and corrupt, or at least driven 
> principally by self interest, but the situation is serious enough that I am 
> willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and wear masks around others, 
> especially since some others seem panicky if you don't.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Sams and Thule Ridealong

[Brady Smith]

Hi all, 

I noticed that some more Sam Hillbornes are coming in December in my size, 
and I’d love to snag one. My only hesitation is that the frame it would be 
replacing—a Jamis Aurora—also pairs nicely with our Thule Ridealong and 
about 35 pounds of toddler. Is the Sam stout enough to handle a loaded 
child seat without getting too noodley? I gather that the Homer definitely 
isn’t, and I don’t think I’d try it on my BMC monster cross (even if cable 
routing were not an issue). I may grab one anyone and wait until she 
outgrows our current setup, but it would be helpful to know if anyone has 
experience carrying a kid on a Sam.

 Thanks!

Brady in NJ

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[RBW] Re: Real Maintenance

[Brady Smith]

I’ll clean my bikes every week in the winter, every other week for the rest 
of the year unless I’ve been riding in the rain and picked up a lot of 
sludge. I always check wheels for true and tires for wear and debris at the 
same time. Otherwise I maintain things as needed. I keep an eye on pad and 
chain wear and try to replace ahead of schedule to minimize wear on rims , 
chainrings and cassettes. I replace bar tape at the end of the summer and 
renew cables and housing, if necessary, at the same time. (I once dropped a 
bike off at the shop for new cables and a new headset and let’s just say 
they were not impressed with the amount of sweat that had accumulated on 
the bars and steerer tube). One thing I learned to do after losing a pair 
of Silver bar end shifters to accumulated gunk is to hit the shifters with 
a spray of WD-40 every now and again, more often in summer. Keeps the cable 
end from corroding into the shifter and sweat from stopping the little 
spring inside from expanding. I also figured out how to get the casing off 
and clean the insides, but that’s only ever a measure of last resort. 

On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:03:16 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

>
>
> bjm.. wrote: 
> *I need to invest in a repair stand so I can do maintenance without 
> flipping my bike upside down and letting the grips and saddle take a 
> beating. *
>
> Meanwhile just throw down a moving blanket.
>
> If one of my bikes needs maintenance, I buy another one on craigslist and 
> fix it up with stuff from my spare parts box.
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 10:22:00 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I took my front wheel off to see how gross the underside of my fender 
>> was. I almost gagged.
>>
>> I need to invest in a repair stand so I can do maintenance without 
>> flipping my bike upside down and letting the grips and saddle take a 
>> beating. 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:07:01 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Better than rotating the tires is getting a front/rear "pipeline" going: 
>>> once the rear is worn, put the front onto the rear and get a fresh front 
>>> tire.  I learned this somewhat recently, and the reason being that it 
>>> minimizes the chance of a front tire blow-out, which is a lot more 
>>> dangerous than a rear.  
>>>
>>> As for maintenance, I am of two minds:  on the one hand, I'm a believer 
>>> in preventative maintenance, but on the other, sometimes things wear 
>>> themselves into a happy place, and just disassembling and re-assembling 
>>> during cleaning can upset the balance. 
>>>
>>> With this in mind, I tend to leave things alone if they are running 
>>> smooth and quiet until they're not. BB's and headsets are probably happy 
>>> for 5+ years, but I'm trying to get the hang of checking my chain stretch 
>>> every six months or so and replacing it as soon as its worn so that my 
>>> cassette and chainrings can last 5+ years too. Similarly, ensuring I never 
>>> run the brake pads down to the metal bits is key to the longevity of the 
>>> wheels so I try to be real good about keeping tabs on those. 
>>>
>>> I lube my chain as soon as it sounds dry (or starts to squeak) rather 
>>> than at any particular interval, and I put a few drops of lube in the cable 
>>> housing ends every so often (maybe 1-2 times per year). 
>>>
>>> That didn't really answer the question... I suppose my answer is that I 
>>> consider "real maintenance" to be when something has lost function and 
>>> needs attention :D
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: What? No bikes at RBW?

[Brady Smith]

The Riv model is hard to explain to non bike nerds. I made a half -hearted 
effort at convincing my wife to let me replace my Jamis Aurora frame with a 
Sam when they were about to go live and she said something to the effect of 
“Why not just wait and make sure we don’t need this $1500 for something 
else?” Riv sold out while we were talking and the re-stock for Sams wont 
come for another couple years. I may not ask next time!

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Mike: Wow, this is fascinating. I wondered what would become of the bike 
> boom after the pandemic. I world that gives more priority to bicycles is a 
> world I can look forward to! 
>
> Bikes at Rivendell... My mom’s neighbors love to bike. They biked across 
> the entire US, coast to coast so they are attracted to Riv-type bikes. When 
> they saw Mom’s Cheviot they were enamored. They asked me how to get one. 
> One does not just get a bike from Rivendell, I thought. How do you explain 
> this? Most bike stores (in years other than 2020) have inventory; you walk 
> in with cash, leave it there and walk out with a shiny new bicycle. I 
> offered the neighbor an awkward explanation, encouraged him to get in on 
> the upcoming Platypus sale. Bikes are very hard to get from Rivendell.
>
> But see, this is not new. In November 2012, I was getting a Betty Foy. 
> Keven had convinced me it was just the right bike for me, and after I was 
> committed and excited and had my credit card ready, he said, “Great. Well, 
> I’ll have to see if I can find one buried in the warehouse; otherwise 
> you’ll get one in March.” Woah. Let that sink in. I lucked out and he found 
> one, but that would have been a very disappointing and long wait.
>
> I do wish Riv had more bikes on hand. I hate that they miss out on sales 
> because they have no inventory. I’m not criticizing; I don’t know what goes 
> on there, but I’m allowed to wish they had more bikes...
> Leah
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:14:03 AM UTC-8 velomann wrote:
>
>> Have you been to your LBS recently? This is definitely not exclusive to 
>> Rivendell. At least here in PDX the demand continues to exceed supply, and 
>> the small repair shop I fill in for has been chronically unable to get 
>> basic parts from QBP since early summer.
>> I've sold more bikes on CL, more quickly, with less dickering in the past 
>> 4 months than I did in the previous 5 years. I'm gad Rivendell is 
>> benefiting from that pent up demand. I checked a couple days ago and the 
>> only new Sams left are Dark Gold sz 48, which means they basically sold out 
>> their 100 (+?) in less than a week, with several in smaller sizes going to 
>> Blue Lug right off the top.
>>
>> I'm currently taking a Traffic and Transportation (Zoom) class at 
>> Portland State through their School of Urban Planning. We've had guest 
>> speakers every week who are deeply embedded in transportation policy, and 
>> Covid 19 has been a real Litmus test of community resiliency and issues of 
>> transportation equity. (BLM ties in here as well as Biking While Black is a 
>> real thing). Much of our discussions are what is this all going to look 
>> like, post-pandemic. Everyone expects bikes to remain big; we're not going 
>> to return to to planning that prioritizes Single Occupancy Vehicles and 
>> petroleum.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 5:26:54 PM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else notice that bikes are mostly out of stock at RBW? I'm not 
>>> sure if that's a good thing (they're successfully selling everything) or 
>>> bad thing (they're not keeping up with demand.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> walnut creek
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Brady Smith]

Hi all,

I was hoping to make it today, but alas, family obligations have 
intervened. 

It sounds like I may meet a few of you this spring when the NJ Randonneurs 
(fingers crossed) get going again. 

Happy riding!

Brady
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:57:21 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Kai, it will be nice to see you again.
>
> Rain is supposed to stop middle of night. . Most likely I’ll be on Homer. 
>
> See you then!
>
> Roberta 
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:47:45 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>>
>> The Homer then? Could be puddles. I'll be on a blue bike too! I think I'm 
>> taking the unfendered bluey, puddles be derned.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 11:15:56 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Our ride is just three days away and, I'm very excited.  I want to bring 
>>> my A Home Hilsen, but it doesn't have fenders, so I'll decide on Saturday 
>>> morning.  I'll bring my Joe Appaloosa if I feel a fendered bike would be 
>>> better.  The weather forecast might just be perfect:
>>>
>>>   A few showers in the morning, then sunny 
>>> in the afternoon. High near 60F. Winds NW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 
>>> 50%.
>>>
>>> Look forward to seeing everyone.  Perhaps we can have a check in here, 
>>> since schedules do change? 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:57:38 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:

 Bob,

 Thanks for the directions, which answers John's question.  The pictures 
 look lovely and I cannot wait for what looks like a wonderful route!  

 Roberta

 On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 8:04:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> Regarding directions: Plug this into your GPS: 
>
> 2 Simon Lake Drive
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ 07716
>
> Regarding parking: Lot 1 might fill up sooner, but Lots 1 and 2 are 
> right next to each other, so it really doesn't matter; we'll see each 
> other. Even if you park on the street somewhere, just come down to the 
> trail.
>
> Regarding the trail surface: I haven't been on the HHT since 2018, but 
> I seem to remember that most of the trail is paved, and what isn't is a 
> very fine crushed stone surface -- in other words, any bike and any tire 
> will be fine on it. 
>
> Regarding the climb: They are approaches to a fairly high bridge, but 
> the grade really isn't bad at all.
>
> Regarding the ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch: It's a nice (and 
> shorter) alterntive to going back to Matawan. As Dave pointed out, 
> the ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch starts off alongside a large rock 
> seawall on a paved trail, but that's only for a couple of miles -- after 
> that, you're on Rt. 36 as you enter downtown Sea Bright. After Sea 
> Bright, 
> there's a wide shoulder and you pass nice homes and some beach clubs. At 
> Long Branch Rt. 36 turns into a four-lane highway (Ocean Blvd), so I've 
> turned onto side streets from there to get to the train station. A 
> ride along Ocean Ave (not Blvd) and on the promenade at this time of year 
> (no crowds) would be very nice, as it's obviously right along the 
> ocean.
>
> To give you an idea of what some of the route is like, the photos in 
> the below link are from a ride where I took the train from Linden to 
> Aberdeen/Matawan, rode east along the HHT, turned right after the bridge 
> (bypassed Sandy Hook that time), rode down Rt. 36 and hit the beach at 
> Seven Presidents Oceanfront Park in Long Branch to go for a swim before 
> taking the train home:
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskF1WUCh
>
> And this one is of Sandy Hook itself:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskmyzgvz
>
> Bob
>
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[RBW] Re: Herse v. VO Crankset

[Brady Smith]

Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I think the VO makes more sense for me now. 
I didn't realize the range of chainrings available with the VO crankset, or 
that the Herse cranks are only compatible with Herse chainrings. I'll leave 
the latter for when the wife finally lets me build a dream bike. 

On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 7:09:09 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> I thought about getting a Herse crank some while ago, but as I ride heels 
> in / toes out, I need a bit of flare out on the crankarms so that my heels 
> don't hit the cranks when pedalling. I asked them about this, and was told 
> that no, the crankarms are straight fore-aft, so I didn't proceed with the 
> purchase. I also wasn't too keen on a crank with a unique bolt circle that 
> limits you to a single provider of chainrings.
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Herse v. VO Crankset

[Brady Smith]

Hi all, 

I'm planning some improvements to my BMC Monster Cross and a new crankset 
is among them. I had it built with a 48x34 setup but after riding it for a 
while I've decided 46x30 is probably more my speed. 

I'm curious as to the group's thoughts on the merits of the Velo Orange and 
Rene Herse models. I'm sure the VO is fine, and I've had nothing but good 
experiences with their products. But from what I gather, the Herse model 
has much nicer finishing and Herse makes a whole line of compatible 
chainrings that let you mix and match as you change terrain. 

Should I save a little money and go with the VO model or go all in and buy 
the Herse crankset?

The primary purpose is randonneuring, but I do plenty of general riding on 
this bike as well.

Thanks!

Brady

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Brady Smith]

If the 17th is the weekend for this ride, I’m all in. Atlantic 
Highlands/Henry Hudson Trail works for me.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 6:18:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> You should be able to park in Atlantic Highlands or at the ferry terminal 
> in Highlands. 
>
> A good friend owns a brewery in Atlantic Highlands (Carton Brewing) so we 
> could grab some beers before/after if anyone is up for that. This location 
> is v convenient for NY’ers via the Seastreak ferry. It is kinda pricey tho 
> ($50-ish roundtrip with a bike, I think). 
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:03 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I would perfer the Hudson Trail area. Sandy Hook sounds nice.  I think Mt 
>> Mitchell Overlook is a nice view with the climb coming from the west.
>>
>> Is parking available???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ .
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 8:22:18 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>>
>>> What kind of rides is everyone interested in? What distances do you have 
>>> in mind? Here are some thoughts right off the top of my head:
>>>
>>> The only scenic section of the Henry Hudson Trail is the very short 
>>> section between Atlantic Highlands and Highlands. So, a nice ride could be 
>>> to start from Atlantic Highlands, ride along the Raritan Bay into 
>>> Highlands, then cross the bridge over the Shrewsbury River (a little bit of 
>>> a climb) and hit Sandy Hook, which is really nice. Once there, you can ride 
>>> along Sandy Hook Bay, ride past old officers quarters, gun emplacements, 
>>> and a lighthouse. This is a 25-30 mile round trip. (But starting from the 
>>> Matawan train station to the west would add another 20 miles to the round 
>>> trip.)
>>>
>>> Another option is Patriots Path, which one can pick up not too far from 
>>> the Morristown train station (actually, Morris Plains might be better 
>>> to avoid Morristown traffic). Starting from Speedwell Lake, the eastern 
>>> part is paved, but it turns to dirt singletrack soon enough for the rest of 
>>> the way westward. It's all off road, cross-country stuff -- diverse 
>>> landscapes, mostly flat, but there are some rollers and a few short but 
>>> steep hills in the middle with roots (you can always get off your bike and 
>>> hike it up). The area gets progressively less suburban as you head further 
>>> west, and by the time you reach Mendham, there's even a nice little water 
>>> crossing. It's about a 20 mile round trip from Morristown to Mendham and 
>>> back.
>>>
>>> If you're looking for just a little chill ride for a get-together, 
>>> another place is the Loantaka Brook Reservation (Morristown area), coupled 
>>> with some road stretches in the area with the Traction Line Trail. (Getting 
>>> off the train at Convent Station will put you off literally right alongside 
>>> the Traction Line Trail.) Nice, varied terrain, although the trails tend to 
>>> get crowded on the weekend.
>>>
>>> The D Canal towpath is nice. The more scenic section is the one that 
>>> runs along the Delaware River (but might be too far for New Yorkers). 
>>> There's also a section between New Brunswick and Trenton with a nice 
>>> stretch around Princeton. An option could be to get off the train at Bound 
>>> Brook, pick up the trail there, and head south to Kingston and Princeton 
>>> (but that's around a 40-mile round trip, mostly through nothing but trees 
>>> along a canal).
>>>
>>> The Columbia Trail is another nice one. There's a train stop very close 
>>> to the southern trailhead at High Bridge, but the trains don't go that far 
>>> west on weekends. But from there, it's a 22-mile round trip between there 
>>> and the Long Valley Brew Pub.
>>>
>>> Bob E
>>> Cranford, NJ
>>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Brady Smith]

For a shorter ride, here's the Half-Dirty 
Populaire: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27124941

On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 7:08:56 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Roberta
>
> The Cranbury 200K is fairly flat and some NJ Rando person may have a 
> shorter version
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ, far southern NJ, The Garden Spot of the Garden State
>
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> It won't be as big or as exciting as our wonderful Eastern ride at Mohonk 
>> for Riv's 25th anniversary, but I did notice a large number of New Yorkers, 
>> especially from the boroughs.  I know there are a few of us from NJ, and 
>> I'm not that far, in Philadelphia.
>>
>> I'm trying to learn more routes and was thinking that perhaps someone 
>> (Bob E.???) could suggest something in NJ that we could meet at a NJ 
>> Transit stop, making it easier for the NY-ers.  If there are more New 
>> Yorkers than others, I'm willing to drive to you (as long as there's 
>> parking).  I really don't know any routes other than the ones around 
>> Philadelphia.
>>
>> I can do any Saturday or Sunday in October except for Oct 9 and 10. I'm 
>> older and less strong than most of you; I cannot do "Mohonk" hills. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Brady Smith]

I’d be interested, though my weekends are hit or miss. I’m in Fort Lee but 
could drive anywhere. 

On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> It won't be as big or as exciting as our wonderful Eastern ride at Mohonk 
> for Riv's 25th anniversary, but I did notice a large number of New Yorkers, 
> especially from the boroughs.  I know there are a few of us from NJ, and 
> I'm not that far, in Philadelphia.
>
> I'm trying to learn more routes and was thinking that perhaps someone (Bob 
> E.???) could suggest something in NJ that we could meet at a NJ Transit 
> stop, making it easier for the NY-ers.  If there are more New Yorkers than 
> others, I'm willing to drive to you (as long as there's parking).  I really 
> don't know any routes other than the ones around Philadelphia.
>
> I can do any Saturday or Sunday in October except for Oct 9 and 10. I'm 
> older and less strong than most of you; I cannot do "Mohonk" hills. 
>
> Roberta
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[RBW] Bear Mountain: A Ride Report

[Brady Smith]

I heard that ride reports are encouraged, so I figured I share this one. 
Enjoy!

https://brankubranku.wordpress.com/2020/09/07/bear-mountain-finally-a-ride-report/

-Brady Smith

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[RBW] Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Brady Smith]

Sounds like a great idea to me. I have a Jamis Aurora that I've rebuilt with a 
bunch of Riv-esque parts over the years, and I've always hoped to swap out the 
frame for a Sam when the time came. My only reservation is that the Jamis is my 
daily commuter, and it manages a nice balance of being nondescript but also a 
pleasure to ride. I have secure bike parking at my school, but a Rivendell as a 
daily commuter in a big city feels like more of a risk than I'd like. That 
said, a lot of the people I encounter riding my similarly Riv-ed out BMC 
Monster Cross think it's an antique I rescued from a garage sale, so maybe a 
similarly appointed Sam wouldn't attract as much attention as you'd think.  

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[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake recommendations

[Brady Smith]

I was sort of surprised upon buying my BMC monster cross that Mike Varley specs 
Tektro Oryxs, but honestly I’ve had good experiences with them. On my dad 
bike/commuter (a heavily customized Jamis Aurora), I have the Oryxs with Kool 
Stop dual compound pads and I’ve had no problem stopping down steep grades with 
40 pounds of stuff in the rain. I’ve since upgraded my Monster Cross to Dia 
Compe 980s (mostly aesthetic reasons), but for a bike that I ride hard year 
round regardless of weather, the Oryxs are a good value.

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[RBW] Introduction and "Classic" Roadini

[Brady Smith]

Love the bike, and good to see a fellow Iowan on this list. I live in NJ now 
and while we have some great cycling I do miss the miles and miles of quiet 
country roads. 

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[RBW] Micro cracks on Velocity Dyad rim

[Brady Smith]

I was cleaning one of my bikes today when I noticed some faint stress marks 
around some of the spoke holes on these Dyad rims—only visible under the right 
kind of light. Do I have a problem? If so, how serious are we talking? This 
wheel is only a year or so old, and it’s only been trued once, and very mildly 
at that.

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[RBW] Re: Bar End Shifter Woes

[Brady Smith]

I wouldn’t be surprised. As far as I can tell the original Riv silver shifter 
and the Gran Compes are identical—probably made in the same factory—and they 
seem to have failed in the exact same way. 

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[RBW] Re: Bar End Shifter Woes

[Brady Smith]

Beeswax—great idea!

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[RBW] Bar End Shifter Woes

[Brady Smith]

I was out riding with the kid today when my rear derailleur abruptly dropped 
all the way to the bottom cog. I stopped, undid the corresponding bar end 
shifter (a Gran Compe EnE from Velo Orange), wiped some gunk off and put it 
back together. It worked for a little while but soon gave out again and I wound 
up holding the shifter in place to make it up the climbs on the way home. After 
taking it apart, cleaning everything, and reassembling the shifter, the ratchet 
mechanism inside the shifter simply won't engage (I've made the bike usable in 
the meantime by adding a rubber washer to the assembly, which I did once before 
when it turned out I had a defective Riv Silver shifter on another bike). The 
shifter was pretty gunked up with sweat before this happened. A couple 
questions: 

1. Is it possible that sweat got into the ratchet mechanism and caused it to 
fail? Seems unlikely, but I am a notoriously sweaty guy. 

2. The cable attached to this shifter was not that old (6 months?) but on the 
verge of being corroded into the lever. A moot point, since it seems like I'll 
need to replace the whole shifter, but how do fellow bar-end users prevent 
sweat from ruining these things? Should I be greasing the cable end to keep it 
from corroding into the shifter? Is there a type of lube that works best to get 
sweat out of the washer assembly? 

Any advice is appreciated. In the grand scheme of things, a bar end shifter is 
far cheaper and easier to replace than an STI lever, but it seems like I'm 
harder on these things than I should be. 

-Brady

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

[Brady Smith]

If you decide low trail is what you want, you might consider the Soma Grand 
Randonneur. Designed by the Boulder Bicycle people, but way, way cheaper 
than their All-Road. If I had funds for a third bike, it would probably be 
the one I'd choose. 

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> Hello Group.
> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
> and I'll add the backstory after. 
>
>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 tires 
>- rim brake
>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>saddlebag)
>
> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>
>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than I 
>need.
>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
>wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig welded 
>though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. On my list 
>of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for my 
> first 
>riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed headset. 
>
> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
> Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
> especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
> rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
> descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
> particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
> that ;) 
>
> All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
> ears! 
>
> Thanks Group, 
> Andrew
>
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Brady Smith]

An update: I bought a pair of Snoqualmie Pass tires with the standard casing 
last week and set them up right away. They went on to my TB14 rims fairly 
easily and are an absolute joy to ride. Plenty fast on the road, but they 
really have me seeking out what limited gravel roads and trails we have out 
here in north NJ. Thanks for all the input!

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[RBW] Organized Rides 2020

[Brady Smith]

I’ve heard rumors from the local randonneuring club (New Jersey) that there may 
be a populaire or two this summer, but everything else in my area is canceled. 

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Brady Smith]

Thanks everyone—almost everyone I’ve ever seen on Reddit talking about Herse 
tires claims to use them tubeless, but it figures I would find the tubed 
holdouts here. I’d say I’m convinced, and also just realized that my SKS P50 
fenders will clear a 45mm tires, so Snoqualmie Pass it is!

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[RBW] Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Brady Smith]

I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them due 
to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have tubeless-compatible 
rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually runs his tubed, and I’ve 
encountered other people doing the same. Since there are lots of Herse-users 
here, I thought I’d ask about your experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do 
you flat? I’m thinking about a set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my 
BMC Monster Cross. These would be summer fun tires for suburban and country 
roads. When it’s back to commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my 
Pasela Protites back on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Causes for bike noises

[Brady Smith]

The story of my life lately:

1. Click on some pedal strokes but not all—insufficiently greased pedal.

2. Click on hard efforts only—dirty chain. Clean and lube and it goes away. 

3. Creaking sound started when pedaling uphill on bailout gear with 40 pounds 
of child and gear but progresses to unloaded bike all the time. Replaced 
hardware store bolt with proper seat binder bolt, bike is blissfully quiet. 

4. On another bike, creaking sound on hard efforts, then moderate efforts, then 
all the time. Cleaning doesn’t help. Took off pedals and greased, tightened 
crank bolts, seatpost, etc, it continues. Finally I notice that it stops out of 
saddle, and that nose bolt on B17 is broken. Awaiting replacement (thanks to 
this group!), and then hopefully silence will return.

5. In the winter, the Cambium saddle on my commuter creaks and creaks and 
creaks, especially below freezing. I’ve never figured out a solution to this, 
so I just deal with it. 

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[RBW] Re: Cracked Tension Bolt on B17

[Brady Smith]

I'm just outside NYC. It looks like the only authorized repair shops are in 
Seattle and Philadelphia, and the one in Philly (Transport Cycles) is all 
out of the part. This may take a while... Thanks for your attention!

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:36:32 PM UTC-4, Ted Lewis wrote:
>
> Whereabouts are you? Maybe try calling around to LBS that sell a lot of 
> Brooks or have a good repair shop. 
> Failing that, try googling for places near you that would have parts on 
> hand. E.g. in Seattle 
> http://www.rideyourbike.com/brookssaddlerepair.shtml

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[RBW] Cracked Tension Bolt on B17

[Brady Smith]

I know there are a few old threads on this but I thought I’d ask if anyone had 
recent experiences of replacing the tension bolt on a B17 saddle. Mine has 
snapped after about 3000 miles, or roughly a year. I haven’t heard back from 
Brooks customer service yet and the only replacement I could find on the webs 
will take about 3 weeks to get to me (odd thing to be sold out everywhere...). 
Is this doable at home? Has anyone successfully substituted something from the 
hardware store? I’ll be riding my backup bike with a Cambium in the meantime 
and after today’s ride I can confirm that the Cambium is not nearly as 
comfortable...

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

[Brady Smith]

A Homer Hilsen is my favorite by far. I’ve wanted one since I first heard of 
it, long before I realized that it was also the perfect bike for the kind of 
riding I do.

Atlantis is a distant second, followed by Sam Hillborne and Joe Appaloosa. 

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Brady Smith]

A few months ago I was behind a guy on a brevet who was riding a brand new 
Giant road bike--Di2, road tubeless, the works. He hit a staple and I got a 
rather large spray of sealant in the face. He also spent the next 45 
minutes trying and failing to seal the hole, then getting a tube in, then 
having the tube fail because of debris in the tire, etc. I'd been 
tubeless-curious up until that point, but I decided thereafter that my 
tubed Paselas work just fine. 

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 12:27:24 PM UTC-4, jack loudon wrote:
>
> "I’m still hung up on the $60 patch kit. Not only that, added I still need 
> to carry a spare tube."
>
> In addition to the above, fenders are needed to contain the latex spray 
> that is otherwise flung on bike and self as the larger punctures seal.  Ask 
> me how I know :)
>
> Jack - Seattle 
>
> On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 1:11:05 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I’m still hung up on the $60 patch kit. Not only that, added I still need 
>> to carry a spare tube. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay 
>> El Cerrito Ca
>
>

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