[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

Hey G.E.! *waves*

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 6:39:26 AM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>
> This is so awesome, Cecily!!! I'm so glad that you've been able to find a 
> way to keep riding your Riv! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

I'm happy to report that riding my Riv eBike is super fun, and I get a 
fiendish glee when I pass people going uphill. :)


On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 6:44:53 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Some of y'all might remember me. *waves hello*
>
> Unfortunately, as my rheumatoid arthritis and vascular conditions 
> progressed, I had to stop riding my bike. I've missed my Rizzo so much, and 
> was thinking about selling her. I did add a Vespa to my stable, but it just 
> never gave me the same feeling I got from riding my bike. 
>
> A while back (a couple of years?) I asked whether anyone in this group had 
> any experience with converting a Betty Foy or any other Rivendell bike to 
> an eBike. There weren't many responses, and for a long time, I gave up hope 
> that I'd be able to ride ever again... until about two weeks ago. 
>
> I went into my local eBike shop, and asked whether it was possible to 
> convert my beloved Rizzo to an eBike, and they said that while it would be 
> a challenge, it was doable. I had to get a new wheel built, and I had to 
> sign a waiver about braking because the Betty Foy doesn't come with disc 
> brakes.
>
> Today I am happy to report that a reputable eBike dealer can in fact 
> convert a Riv bike to an eBike, and I'm back riding again. Hooray!
>
> I just needed to share my joy with people who would get it. Cheers, 
> everyone!
>

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[RBW] Re: My 650B

[Cecily Walker]

Sweet bikes, especially that first one.


On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 9:57:42 AM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
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> My 650B as a ss with many Rivendell additions. This and my Sam are my two 
> favorite rides.
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

I don't find it that different. I'm still pedaling. The only difference is 
now I can blow past reedy hipsters whenever I want to use the throttle. 
That's a price above rubies, in my opinion.  

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 6:59:05 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yep yep, Chris, it's definitely a different and fun way to ride a bicycle. 
> I still have and ride non-assist bikes, but I love my eChev for shopping 
> runs; longer rides when I don't have all day to cover the mileage; or if I 
> just feel like getting my speed on. And they're invaluable if you have an 
> injury or disability which limits your pedaling strength. 

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

And that's great if you're physically able to do it. I had been before I 
got sick, and then suddenly I couldn't do it anymore. I'm still using my 
own power to ride the bike, I just have help. 

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 5:50:49 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I consider myself to be fairly traditional in my bike tastes and part of 
> the appeal of bicycling is the physical exertion involved in spirited 
> riding.  Having said that, I stepped into a bike shop last year and the 
> owner offered me a test ride on an electric assist bike and I can honestly 
> say that it was the most fun I've had on a bike since childhood.  I have 
> every intention of someday adding an e-bike to my stable.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 8:44:53 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Some of y'all might remember me. *waves hello*
>>
>> Unfortunately, as my rheumatoid arthritis and vascular conditions 
>> progressed, I had to stop riding my bike. I've missed my Rizzo so much, and 
>> was thinking about selling her. I did add a Vespa to my stable, but it just 
>> never gave me the same feeling I got from riding my bike. 
>>
>> A while back (a couple of years?) I asked whether anyone in this group 
>> had any experience with converting a Betty Foy or any other Rivendell bike 
>> to an eBike. There weren't many responses, and for a long time, I gave up 
>> hope that I'd be able to ride ever again... until about two weeks ago. 
>>
>> I went into my local eBike shop, and asked whether it was possible to 
>> convert my beloved Rizzo to an eBike, and they said that while it would be 
>> a challenge, it was doable. I had to get a new wheel built, and I had to 
>> sign a waiver about braking because the Betty Foy doesn't come with disc 
>> brakes.
>>
>> Today I am happy to report that a reputable eBike dealer can in fact 
>> convert a Riv bike to an eBike, and I'm back riding again. Hooray!
>>
>> I just needed to share my joy with people who would get it. Cheers, 
>> everyone!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks, Ryan! And happy belated birthday. 



On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 9:25:06 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Cecily,
> Sorry about misspelling your name; no disrespect intended.  Mind must be 
> beginning to go since I entered my 2nd half century.
> Happy pedaling with assist.
>
> Ryan 
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

Too busy riding! :D

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 9:54:13 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> We still need to see it!

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

Swanky! 

On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 7:21:12 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Welcome, Cecily. Riv mixtes make great ebikes! :-)
>
> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 6:44:53 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
> > Some of y'all might remember me. *waves hello*
> > 
> > Unfortunately, as my rheumatoid arthritis and vascular conditions 
> progressed, I had to stop riding my bike. I've missed my Rizzo so much, and 
> was thinking about selling her. I did add a Vespa to my stable, but it just 
> never gave me the same feeling I got from riding my bike. 
> > 
> > A while back (a couple of years?) I asked whether anyone in this group 
> had any experience with converting a Betty Foy or any other Rivendell bike 
> to an eBike. There weren't many responses, and for a long time, I gave up 
> hope that I'd be able to ride ever again... until about two weeks ago. 
> > 
> > I went into my local eBike shop, and asked whether it was possible to 
> convert my beloved Rizzo to an eBike, and they said that while it would be 
> a challenge, it was doable. I had to get a new wheel built, and I had to 
> sign a waiver about braking because the Betty Foy doesn't come with disc 
> brakes.
> > 
> > Today I am happy to report that a reputable eBike dealer can in fact 
> convert a Riv bike to an eBike, and I'm back riding again. Hooray!
> > 
> > I just needed to share my joy with people who would get it. Cheers, 
> everyone!
>
>

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[RBW] Betty's an eBike Now

[Cecily Walker]

Some of y'all might remember me. *waves hello*

Unfortunately, as my rheumatoid arthritis and vascular conditions 
progressed, I had to stop riding my bike. I've missed my Rizzo so much, and 
was thinking about selling her. I did add a Vespa to my stable, but it just 
never gave me the same feeling I got from riding my bike. 

A while back (a couple of years?) I asked whether anyone in this group had 
any experience with converting a Betty Foy or any other Rivendell bike to 
an eBike. There weren't many responses, and for a long time, I gave up hope 
that I'd be able to ride ever again... until about two weeks ago. 

I went into my local eBike shop, and asked whether it was possible to 
convert my beloved Rizzo to an eBike, and they said that while it would be 
a challenge, it was doable. I had to get a new wheel built, and I had to 
sign a waiver about braking because the Betty Foy doesn't come with disc 
brakes.

Today I am happy to report that a reputable eBike dealer can in fact 
convert a Riv bike to an eBike, and I'm back riding again. Hooray!

I just needed to share my joy with people who would get it. Cheers, 
everyone!

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[RBW] Re: How to sell a Rivendell Bike

[Cecily Walker]

It's a 55. Though now I'm having second thoughts. 

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 5:18:15 PM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote:
>
> Cecily, I have a friend in Vancouver ask to buy my wife's Betty Foy but 
> it's not for sale. By chance what is the size of your frame?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How to sell a Rivendell Bike

[Cecily Walker]

I hadn't thought about that... 

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 1:46:24 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> You want to sell a Betty & get a Clementine: perhaps trade with another 
> list member? 
>
> Doug p
>

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[RBW] Re: How to sell a Rivendell Bike

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! They're very helpful.

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 7:44:23 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> As many of y'all know, I live in a part of the world where Rivendell bikes 
> aren't widely known. After saving and scrimping for four years to buy my 
> Betty Foy, poor health/chronic illness means I need to sell my Betty Foy 
> for something else - perhaps a Clementine?  My problem is that I really 
> doubt I'll be able to get anywhere near the asking price for a bike that's 
> in darn good shape. 
>
> Do you have any suggestions for how I might make a bike with an $1800-ish 
> asking price more attractive to local buyers? I might go as low as $1500, 
> but that breaks my heart when you consider I paid close to $2500 CAD once 
> all was said and done. 
>
> Thanks,
> Cecily
>

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Re: [RBW] How to sell a Rivendell Bike

[Cecily Walker]

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 8:11:47 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Cecily: sorry to hear about your health problems.
>
> Why would a Clem be better for you in this case than the Betty?
>

Lower step-over height and a little more room in the cockpit. The RA means 
I'm not as flexible as I once was, so I need to be as upright as possible. 
I haven't had any luck with getting the Betty to be comfortable enough. 

>  
>

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[RBW] How to sell a Rivendell Bike

[Cecily Walker]

As many of y'all know, I live in a part of the world where Rivendell bikes 
aren't widely known. After saving and scrimping for four years to buy my 
Betty Foy, poor health/chronic illness means I need to sell my Betty Foy 
for something else - perhaps a Clementine?  My problem is that I really 
doubt I'll be able to get anywhere near the asking price for a bike that's 
in darn good shape. 

Do you have any suggestions for how I might make a bike with an $1800-ish 
asking price more attractive to local buyers? I might go as low as $1500, 
but that breaks my heart when you consider I paid close to $2500 CAD once 
all was said and done. 

Thanks,
Cecily

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[RBW] Re: Introducing the wife to night riding.

[Cecily Walker]

Night riding is my absolute favourite, made even better by Vancouver's 
(so-so) separated bike infrastructure.


On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 6:49:07 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> She likes to commute to the library and back, where she works.
> But she doesn't ride at night.
> But last week I said that I would come to the library and ride home with 
> her in the dark. Me with edeluxe, she with clip on Minewt600 lumen light.
>
> She loved it. Quiet roads, cooler weather, the pretty ambiance of night 
> riding on tree lined neighborhood street.
> Glad she likes it.
> Here are a couple pics of my Rivbike while I waited outside for her in the 
> dark.
>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Technomic or Tallux Stem

[Cecily Walker]

Wanted to buy (or trade) a Nitto Technomic or Tallux stem, 25.4/10mm. Bike 
shop substituted a Soma Sutro stem when my Betty Foy was built, but it's 
simply too short to be comfortable. Will trade the Sutro for a Technomic or 
Tallux. Contact me off the list if you have a part to sell/trade!

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[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Cecily Walker]

I went looking on their site for the Betty Foy/Cheviot expert now that 
Keven's gone, but couldn't find a name. 

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 8:02:45 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
>
> Hi Cecily,
>
> Have you spoken with Rivendell? If I were in your shoes, I would call 
> them up and describe what you want to do. Will at Riv helped me pick the 
> right Tallux stem extension when moving from albatross bars to drop bars. I 
> think they have helped a lot of people with the same question.
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:51:06 AM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with 
>> a Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
>> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
>> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
>> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>>
>> Thanks, folks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Cecily Walker]

So the larger the number, the longer the quill? 

This is super helpful, Garth. Thank you!

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:30:46 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> <http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/QuillStem.jpg>
> This is referring to the extension(reach) of the quill. Pictures help : 
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:51:06 AM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with 
>> a Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
>> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
>> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
>> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>>
>> Thanks, folks.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Cecily Walker]

How much of a difference do longer chain stays have on ride quality? I'm 
like Leah: when the Betty Foy was discontinued in favour of the Cheviot, I 
became a little covetous myself. 



On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> I seem to recall that the chain stays are a bit longer on the Cheviot. But 
> not much. 
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
>> Since we have both frames (see post chevy-ut meets Betty, falls in love) 
>>  I can state that the only difference is the paint job.
>> Michael
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 12:44:40 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't have a good reason for asking the question, save only a nagging 
>>> curiosity. How much of an improvement to the ride did Grant make when he 
>>> changed up Rivendell's mixte? I admit I do like the name of the Cheviot and 
>>> the head badge and the story of the sheep over the Foy's. And does it ride 
>>> better, too???  Now that the Chev is arriving in Betty Foy blue (which I 
>>> think is the loveliest color combo in Riv history) I may be just a tad 
>>> envious. 
>>>
>>> *I will take a moment here to give myself a spanking for feeling 
>>> covetous towards another bike almost exactly like mine, when I have said my 
>>> current bike is perfect and feels like it was made for ME.*
>>>
>>> Does anyone have knowledge of how these two bikes stack up against one 
>>> another? I know "longer chain stays" but what does that really mean?
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[RBW] Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Cecily Walker]

I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with a 
Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 

Thanks, folks.

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Cecily Walker]

This is definitely relevant to my interests! Great job, Joe!

On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 11:19:23 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I did the deed and you can see it here. I bought this kit used and 
> attached to a hybrid, then decided I liked it so much that I wanted it on a 
> nicer bike. It still needs wood fenders installed, and the wires need a 
> better cover than that blue plastic I jury-rigged to avoid today's 
> after-rain spray. Check it out, people who check out things!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/18972972@N08/shares/GR3Qjv
>
> Joe "Electric Avenue" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] An Amusing Bike Service Anecdote

[Cecily Walker]

I think they will. They have lots of good models to follow (Gladys Bikes in 
Portland comes to mind) and it could be that I just caught them on an off 
day or something. The fellows - yep, there were men working in the shop - 
who helped me were really friendly. If I lived closer, it's possible they'd 
be my neighbourhood bike shop, but they're too far away (a 30 minute ride 
versus a 5 minute ride from my regular shop).

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 12:33:02 AM UTC-7, Matt B. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 1:33:29 AM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> The strata council in my building doesn't allow us to keep bikes in our 
>> units, and all the other bike rooms are full, 
>>
>
>
> Bummer about your neighbor.  I know if someone were messing with my bike, 
> I'd consider just breaking the rules and keeping it in my apartment.  
> ...and anyway, how is such a restriction even legal!?  :/
>
> Regarding the bike shop, it sounds like a cool concept to specialize in 
> women's bikes so I hope they're just gaining experience and will get better 
> with time.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: An Amusing Bike Service Anecdote

[Cecily Walker]

Ehh, it was OK service. I found things that they didn't do that my regular 
shop would do. Plus, my regular shop is closer, and I wouldn't have to use 
the car/bike rack to transport it there. If I hadn't heard middling reports 
from other people who had taken their bikes to the shop, I think they 
might've warranted a second chance. 

That said, the shop where I regularly go knew it was a Riv at first sight 
and were super excited to get the chance to work on it. Compliment my bike 
and I'm a fan for life. :)

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:55:35 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> If the work was done properly at a fair price, I'd give them a pass on the 
> lack of comment and mis-spelling.  We're obviously a focused bunch here, 
> but it's a big world, full of cool bikes.  A second chance may be in 
> order.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I decided to try out a new woman-owned, and women-centred bike shop a 
>> couple of weeks ago to have my bike serviced. I like supporting women who 
>> love bikes, and after I had a pinch blow-out on my rear tire*, I had a 
>> perfect opportunity. 
>>
>> My ex-husband got the car and the bike rack when we split, so he helps me 
>> when I need to transport my Betty Foy anywhere. As we were taking the bike 
>> off the rear rack, he said "If they don't recognize how awesome your bike 
>> is, or at least comment on the frame maker, you know you can't come back 
>> here, right?"  I laughed it off, because of course being a store that was 
>> set up by/for people who love bikes, they'd surely know Rivendell.
>>
>> Not only did they *not* comment on seeing a Rivendell in the wild, they 
>> misspelled it on the receipt when I went to pick up the bike. 
>>
>> And thus endeth my experiment with feminist solidarity. 
>>
>> * The pinch flat was caused by a jerk of a neighbour who has it in for my 
>> bike. I think they meddled with my rear tire. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] An Amusing Bike Service Anecdote

[Cecily Walker]

I'm no bike savant, but this neighbour has been doing weird things to my 
bike now and again. The problem is I can't catch them in the act. The 
strata council in my building doesn't allow us to keep bikes in our units, 
and all the other bike rooms are full, so I don't have anywhere else to 
store my bike when it isn't in use. But I am a lot more careful about 
giving it the once-over before heading out now.

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:33:42 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> How did that happen?  Pinch flats (aka snakebite) don't "blow out" -- 
> the air rushes out through the parallel snakebite like cuts -- and 
> they're caused by hitting a bump or ledge so hard the tube gets pinched 
> between the tire on the ledge and the metal of the rim. Hard to see how 
> someone else could cause that, unless they forced you off the road.   
> Alternatively, some people call getting the tube caught between the tire 
> bead and the rim, with resulting explosive blow out when the air 
> pressure wedges the tire off the rim, a "pinch flat;" and that's an 
> installation problem, often exacerbated by an excessively wide tube. 
>

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Re: [RBW] An Amusing Bike Service Anecdote

[Cecily Walker]

My neighbour has been monkeying with my bike, Steve. 

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:33:42 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 04/26/2016 08:56 PM, Cecily Walker wrote: 
> > I decided to try out a new woman-owned, and women-centred bike shop a 
> > couple of weeks ago to have my bike serviced. I like supporting women 
> > who love bikes, and after I had a pinch blow-out on my rear tire*, I 
> > had a perfect opportunity. 
> > 
> > My ex-husband got the car and the bike rack when we split, so he helps 
> > me when I need to transport my Betty Foy anywhere. As we were taking 
> > the bike off the rear rack, he said "If they don't recognize how 
> > awesome your bike is, or at least comment on the frame maker, you know 
> > you can't come back here, right?"  I laughed it off, because of course 
> > being a store that was set up by/for people who love bikes, they'd 
> > surely know Rivendell. 
> > 
> > Not only did they *not* comment on seeing a Rivendell in the wild, 
> > they misspelled it on the receipt when I went to pick up the bike. 
>
> There are lots of bike lovers who don't know Rivendell.  There are many 
> disciples to cycling, often with fervent adherents, and they don't all 
> share Riv values or awareness thereof. 
>
>
> > 
> > And thus endeth my experiment with feminist solidarity. 
> > 
> > * The pinch flat was caused by a jerk of a neighbour who has it in for 
> > my bike. I think they meddled with my rear tire. 
> > 
>
> How did that happen?  Pinch flats (aka snakebite) don't "blow out" -- 
> the air rushes out through the parallel snakebite like cuts -- and 
> they're caused by hitting a bump or ledge so hard the tube gets pinched 
> between the tire on the ledge and the metal of the rim. Hard to see how 
> someone else could cause that, unless they forced you off the road.   
> Alternatively, some people call getting the tube caught between the tire 
> bead and the rim, with resulting explosive blow out when the air 
> pressure wedges the tire off the rim, a "pinch flat;" and that's an 
> installation problem, often exacerbated by an excessively wide tube. 
>

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[RBW] An Amusing Bike Service Anecdote

[Cecily Walker]

I decided to try out a new woman-owned, and women-centred bike shop a 
couple of weeks ago to have my bike serviced. I like supporting women who 
love bikes, and after I had a pinch blow-out on my rear tire*, I had a 
perfect opportunity. 

My ex-husband got the car and the bike rack when we split, so he helps me 
when I need to transport my Betty Foy anywhere. As we were taking the bike 
off the rear rack, he said "If they don't recognize how awesome your bike 
is, or at least comment on the frame maker, you know you can't come back 
here, right?"  I laughed it off, because of course being a store that was 
set up by/for people who love bikes, they'd surely know Rivendell.

Not only did they *not* comment on seeing a Rivendell in the wild, they 
misspelled it on the receipt when I went to pick up the bike. 

And thus endeth my experiment with feminist solidarity. 

* The pinch flat was caused by a jerk of a neighbour who has it in for my 
bike. I think they meddled with my rear tire. 

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Cecily Walker]

Or better yet, smoke him on your "relic". ;)


On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:50:01 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Breath is wasted on ignorant arrogance like that. Ignore him.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:42:39 PM UTC-6, Julian wrote:
>>
>>
>> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
>> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you like your first step-through bike?

[Cecily Walker]

I miss the truly low step-through of my Dutch bike. The step-over on my 
Betty Foy just isn't low enough for me, so I end up throwing my leg over 
the saddle to mount. 


On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 1:25:15 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Sometimes stepping over my top tube feels like a chore.  Not very often, 
> usually at the end of a long ride or just when I'm carrying a lot of stuff. 
>  When I test rode a clementine after a sam and clem I didn't notice any 
> greater convenience mounting or dismounting.  But it wasn't a long or 
> heavily laden ride.  So looking for thoughts from people that were on the 
> fence like me kinda intrigued but hesitant and took the plunge.  
>
> After all this time, still debating sam clem clementine maybe even 
> that lone cheviot
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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

I thought I'd post to say that after a few more short rides, my bum and the 
saddle are now friends again.  However, I'm eyeballing the new Brooks C19 
Cambium for no other reason than it's been a long time since I bought 
something new for my bike. 



On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 2:51:06 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
> average. 
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very clever video

[Cecily Walker]

Two things:

1) When people in your community are routinely gunned down on a regular 
basis and those who perpetrate the violence get away with it, videos like 
this cease to be funny; and 
2) Impact is greater than intent. 



On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 2:04:59 PM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> Well,honestly I think people take things far too literally/seriously these 
> days, sign of the times maybe,  but the only way to fight it is not to do 
> it. I don't believe the people who did the video meant any ill will, they 
> probably are cyclists themselves who noticed the fact that roadies going 
> down violently looks quite gruesome and over a few beers hatched the idea 
> for this. I believe it was meant to be funny so I take it at face value. 
> Could some people read something into it? Sure and they probably will, but 
> those kind of people will find their inspiration anywhere! 
> Next people will be saying not to watch Monty Python, because its too 
> bloody and promotes violence!
> Being born and raised in an era when there was little politcal correctness 
> to working for 30 years and working in an environment that is now PC to the 
> extreme,  its hard to say which was worse. In fact we are already starting 
> to see a backlash against extreme PCness and if Trump is any indicator it's 
> only going to intensify.
> Lighten up folks!

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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Cecily Walker]

I love the bike and am envious of Fluttershy.

On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
> beginnings and adventures :)
>
> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
> suggestions welcome!)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>
> -E.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis in the new Levi's commercial

[Cecily Walker]

I'm not a young hipster, but if this clothing were available in my size, 
I'd buy it. I pretty much only ride in leggings/jeggings because of 
comfort, stretch, and durability.

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Look at all the people (myself included) who carry messenger bags but 
> don't work as bicycle messengers. I've bought a lot of stuff at Chrome 
> stores, but I'll never use their products for the intended purpose. 
>
> Levis will probably sell a lot of this clothing to young hipsters. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

That's a no-no on this saddle. It was one of the pre-aged saddles, and 
Brooks says no proofide on this model.

The saddle felt beautiful under me for years, and suddenly it doesn't. I'll 
keep playing with angles, but I think time in the saddle might be the only 
remedy at this point.

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 5:17:49 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I suggest you  proofhide it. Leave it on overnight, polish it off with a 
> towel in the morning.
>
> I had a sprung Brooks flyer saddle that was great outta the box. Started 
> hurting my left sit bone after 500 miles or so.
> I proofhided it, especially focussing on the side that hurt. Stopped 
> hurting me after that.
> Still confy today.
>
> It did get wonky again later (~200miles) and my privates started to feel 
> the pressure. I tightened it one full turn (1/2 turn at a time over a 
> couple days, I think) and liberally over proofhided  each time. Back to 
> being fine again.
>
> An RBW employee said that Brooks saddles are wonky and get wonkier later.
>
> Sometimes juat giving them time helps work out the kinks. I think its 
> because the leather must always be changing though 99% of the time Ive 
> found them to he fantastic saddles!
>
> I hope this helps and you get comfy again. I know how frustrating It can 
> be trying to eliminate pain problems on a bike.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIESHA HAS LEFT RIVENDELL

[Cecily Walker]

Or model a headbadge after her? I have to say on a personal level, once I 
found out she was the model for the Betty Foy head badge, it sealed the 
deal for me. 

On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 12:28:49 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Wil Miesha’s new employer name a product after her? I think not.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On Mar 14, 2016, at 12:24 PM, iamkeith  
> wrote:
>
> Just stumbled upon this in the Spring, 2004 Reader, while looking for 
> something else.  Kinda bittersweet, but appropriate.
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

Sadly that isn't ideal, as wrist pain/rheumatoid arthritis makes putting 
more force/strain on my wrists an unappealing solution. But thanks for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 11:44:33 AM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> Cecily,
> Congratulations on the strong recovery!
>
> FWIW, and noting I am not a Chica Warrior, my wife could never get 
> comfortable on traditional saddles.  They caused discomfort in "sensitive 
> areas" etc...
> I bought her a Spiderflex saddle to try. 
> http://spiderflex.com/index.php?page=women-cyclists
>
> She loves it and swears it is the only saddle that has allowed her to ride 
> pain free.  Being hornless there are trade-offs: she has less control with 
> her inner thighs and has to guide/steer the bike more with her arms, it 
> puts a bit more weight on her arms/hands, and it looks unconventional. 
>  She, however, doesn't care as it allows her to ride relatively pain free 
> and any saddle soreness occurs on the back of her thighs where she doesn't 
> mind putting up with it until the skin toughens up each spring.  She rides 
> in an upright position using albatross bars.
>
> I believe the company is Canadian and might have a greater retail presence 
> in Vancouver than they do in the USA.
>
> Best wishes,
> Erl
> PS: photos of my wife's bike with the saddle here: 
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsjKCXJSY
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 5:51:06 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed 
>> that my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe 
>> it's because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to 
>> work comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
>> average. 
>>
>> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what 
>> I try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
>> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
>> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
>> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
>> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>>
>

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[RBW] Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
average. 

I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 

Thanks for the help!

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

I'm riding on Soma B-Line tires. They're plenty cushy, but grippy when it's 
wet and tough enough for city streets.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:18:54 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Cecily,
>
>  Just a thought, but what tires are you riding? My wife thought her 
> Brooks B67s was too hard until I switched her Betty Foy over to a pair of 
> 26" Compass Bicycles' tires.
>
> The same worked for me on my Hunqapillar. After I put on a pair of Barlow 
> Pass tires, my favorite saddle is a Berthoud Mente.
>
> For us, it wasn't our saddles causing us pain, but rather the bumps and 
> road buzz from our rather poor city roads.
>
> YMMV,
>
> John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: Mother-in-Law

[Cecily Walker]

Oh wow. Such a nice bike! Congrats to her!

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 8:47:31 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> My mother-in-law got excited over my husband's new bike. New bike envy? 
> She plunked down her money and got one of John's Clementines. Then she 
> ordered a zillion accoutrements and this is the final product. The guy 
> pictured works at the shop. It is in northern MN and couldn't be cuter. 
> Look at those old wood floors! Anyway, you can see he was a little confused 
> about the bottle cage, but we'll fix that. And what is with that rear 
> fender line? A beautiful bike, nonetheless.
>
> She'll have to be content with opening her garage door and only visually 
> enjoying her bike. Spring seems so far away...
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/daytondogg/23933842624/in/album-72157661891945032/
>
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[RBW] Re: Christmas Clementine

[Cecily Walker]

Oh my stars. This reminds me of my betty foy so, so, so much. What a lovely 
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy in the news!

[Cecily Walker]

You both look so happy. Great photo, Leah!

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 3:07:48 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I didn't even know about this, but apparently my photo was snapped and 
> used as the cover of a news article talking about my city getting a recent 
> designation for being bike-friendly. Pictured is my Betty Foy and my dog, 
> who has let his celebrity go straight to his head. There will be no living 
> with him now.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/AZuECA
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[RBW] Re: Oops, I did it again: 2016 bike calendar

[Cecily Walker]

Lovely photos, Eunice

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[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

[Cecily Walker]

The thing that really made me realize it was time was not being able to 
ride my bike anymore. It was the last thing I had left (after being 
diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis), and it was a huge part of my mental 
wellness, as well as the only physical activity I could do with only a 
minimum amount of pain.  Things had been going downhill steadily for about 
two years, but not being able to ride my dream bike (my Betty Foy) was the 
event that made the decision for me.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 8:23:17 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>
> Cecily, 
>
> My last easy bikepacking trip with my son has made me a whiny, whimpering 
> limper.   I have talked to a couple of folks here in town that have had 
> knee replacements that have said, "You'll know when it is time".  I will? 
>  I have had eleven or twelve surgeries on various injuries and am burned 
> out on going through the processUgh. I am now in knee conservation 
> mode. I only ride when I have to (without a car, it's still daily).  What 
> made you decide it was time? Your attitude is great!  I am excited for you! 
> Clayton
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 11:27:22 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting antsy. I want to ride NOW NOW NOW, but I know I need to let 
>> my muscles get stronger.  How are you fairing, Clayton? 
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:28:02 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update Cecily. It sounds like you are recovering quickly. 
>>> That gives me hopeWORK HARD! 
>>> Clayton
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

[Cecily Walker]

I'm getting antsy. I want to ride NOW NOW NOW, but I know I need to let my 
muscles get stronger.  How are you fairing, Clayton? 

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:28:02 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
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> Thanks for the update Cecily. It sounds like you are recovering quickly. 
> That gives me hopeWORK HARD! 
> Clayton
>
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[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

[Cecily Walker]

Still not back on Betty. Surgery was pushed back two months. I'm five and a 
half weeks out now, and I rode the stationary bike at the gym for the first 
time last week. It may be a few more months yet before I'm back on the 
road. 

On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 12:38:27 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Much thanks Cecily. Hope your knee is doing better and your Betty is 
> getting some use?
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh 
>
> On Saturday, October 10, 2015 at 8:07:54 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I really like your new blog theme, Hugh. And your writing too, of course. 
>>
>> On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 7:36:00 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a boring blog post about coffee. What ever!
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

[Cecily Walker]

I really like your new blog theme, Hugh. And your writing too, of course. 

On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 7:36:00 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
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> Just a boring blog post about coffee. What ever!
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Carless? How many miles per day do you ride?

[Cecily Walker]

Hm. About 3.5 miles round trip? Urban, mostly on separated bike 
infrastructure. 

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:17:18 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
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> On average would you say? 
> Urban, suburban, or rural?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[Cecily Walker]

Hooray! I'm happy to hear you're recovering well.

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 5:08:06 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:

 Last Thursday I had my first totally pain free day since the sciatica 
 thing started nearly 2 years ago.  Today's been pretty pain free too.  It's 
 an off and on thing, depending on how much I do the day before, I think. 
  Been slowly increasing the mileage on the Sam.  Doing between 8 and 11 
 miles currently, with hills.  Really noticing a difference since adding the 
 riding to the therapy routine.


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[RBW] Re: May I introduce Yves...

[Cecily Walker]

That is one fine looking steed. Happy riding!

On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 12:30:32 PM UTC-7, Larry Charlton wrote:

 So after lurking on the site for almost 18 months I finally pulled the 
 trigger and bought a Rivendell of my own.  I was on the hairy edge of 
 simply purchasing a Sam new, especially when I saw the black and cream 
 ones, when a 60cm Yves Gomez frame came up for sale in this group.  First 
 off...thank you David Karmishlian for being so easy to work with and for 
 delivering the frame expertly boxed and padded.  The transaction couldn't 
 have been any easier.

 Two weeks after receiving the frame it's now a complete work.  Well, there 
 are racks, baskets, and bags to consider but it's RIDEABLE.  And what a 
 ride it is.  I'd been a long-time recumbent cyclist and my first foray back 
 to uprights had been a Long Haul Trucker.  It's amazing how supple and 
 responsive this Yves Gomez is -- even for a 225lb Clyde like myself.

 Pics are here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0CG6XBubGcEe6T

 The build:

 H-barNitto AlbastacheStemNitto Dirt DropBrake leversTRP RRLBrakesTektro 
 R559BBIRD QB55CrankSugino XD2 Wide/Low Front derailleurSun XCDFront 
 derailleur clampSun XCD Rear derailleurSun XCDCassetteShimano 11-34 9 sp.
 ShiftersShimano Dura AceHubsShimano Deore LXRimsVelocity DyadTiresSchwalbe 
 Marathon 700x38ChainKMC X9.93 116L SeatpostSoma Layback


 That's a start, at least.  First time I've ever spec'd components myself 
 so I hope I did okay.  And comment and recommendations are welcome because 
 I now know it won't be the last time.  

 Off to a bike ride...

 Larry Charlton
  


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[RBW] Re: Meanwhile in Toranto...

[Cecily Walker]

I'm Buzzfeed famous!

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 9:38:37 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:


 http://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/people-in-toronto-created-a-memorial-to-a-dead-raccoon-after?bffbtrendingutm_term=4ldqphx#.wmOnKXK9w


 You ask about Riv content...

 Fellow list member's tweet is featured here...

 Also it's hilarious .


 Manny


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[RBW] Re: Car Racks Rivs

[Cecily Walker]

I hope it works out for you, Michael. Good luck!

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 8:25:43 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Anyway,  I made the financially unwise decision to go ahead and sprung for 
 the 1upUSA.  When I get it I'll post a review.



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[RBW] Re: Community

[Cecily Walker]

I dig you folks. You're pretty special. 

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks Rivs

[Cecily Walker]

I have an earlier model of one of these on my Ford 
Focus: 
http://www.rackattack.com/product-pages/yakima-highlite-2-silver-hitch-bike-carrier.asp
 
. The bike doesn't sit in a well, it's suspended from the rack with ties 
and other gizmos.

The best part was it came with a sissy bar that I can put on the Betty 
(or any other step-through bikes) so I can keep it level with my 
ex-husband's diamond frame bike. I've had no trouble with fenders, baskets, 
giant Bosco handlebars, or anything. I've even carried a 42-pound Dutch 
upright city bicycle on the back of the Focus without problem. 

The installation, chassis work and rack cost us about $900-ish, but it was 
money well spent. 

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 5:52:05 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:


 So... I have been looking at a new hitch racks, especially ones where the 
 bikes sit in a well and get clamped around the tire.  Does anyone have 
 experience with these to share?  Do you have to put the top clamp around 
 the tire, or is it OK to put it over the fender?  The Yakima rack 
 installation instructions specifically say to put the top hook within 2 of 
 the fork, which clearly rules out using it with any top rack, like my 
 Mark's mini.  The Saris instructions don't say that is necessary, but the 
 video on their web site shows them setting it up that way.  Finally, how 
 close together are the wells; is there sufficient space for Albatross bars?

 Michael


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Re: [RBW] Re: A Life Update

[Cecily Walker]

I'm basically at the can't walk stage. The damage to my knee caused by 
osteoarthritis was accelerated by rheumatoid arthritis over the last few 
years, and these days I can't stand for more than 5 minutes at a time, and 
can only walk a couple of blocks. I've gone through shots, rehab, and 
various other treatments, but it was losing my ability to ride my bike that 
really pushed me over the edge.  This surgery's a last ditch effort for me, 
and I'd be fooling myself if I said recovery wasn't going to be the hardest 
thing I've ever done. I'm just hoping it'll all be worth it when I'm able 
to happily ride/walk/stand/dance again. 
 

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 4:45:06 PM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:

 I talked to my orthopedist about regenerating cartilage research. I had 
 been holding out hoping that new cartilage regeneration was just a year or 
 three away from becoming reality. He smiled and said that my knee would 
 never make it that far. I've had three knee surgeries on my left knee and 
 got cadaver parts in it. I have done a few five shot rounds of Synvisc (the 
 cheaper brand that my insurance paid for) stuff and just finished up my 
 last shot of five.  I have had twelve surgeries and am really sick of going 
 through the whole process, pre-surgical stress, post surgical pain, painful 
 rehab, getting back in shape etc.. It is all I have been doing for more 
 than a decade and absolutely dread having another. I am putting off a knee 
 replacement until I can't walk (Wait, I am almost at that point 
 nowum). As long as I can pedal circles, I will pedal until smoke 
 comes out of my knee or I lie on the side of the road, crying. I can still 
 ride well enough for happiness.  I am extremely curious on how Cecily and 
 others that have had knee replacements, think about how their knees work, 
 tolerance on the bike and so forth. I have lots of research to do, but I 
 have an orthopedic surgeon that is currently doing my knee shots. He was an 
 orthopedist at Vail for years, and also the head orthopedist for the Browns 
 and some other NFL team... He KNOWS knees. I know longer just 'trust' 
 physicians.. but this guy...



   On Thursday, June 4, 2015 8:47 AM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com 
 javascript: wrote:
  

  On 06/04/2015 11:13 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
  

  Cecily, I hope all goes great!  Work hard at rehab! Please keeps us 
 informed on your progress. My orthopedist keeps telling me I need a new 
 knee too. I have been putting it off.
  
  

 Need as in, you are now at the point where there's nothing further that 
 can be done to alleviate your pain?  Or need as in at some point in the 
 future, when remedies such as Orthovisc injections, braces, etc., lose 
 their effectiveness?And putting off -- does that mean you're waiting 
 to get it done in December so rehab and off-the-bike downtime will happen 
 in the off-season (that was my strategy and pretty much it was effective) 
 or ... ?





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[RBW] Re: A Life Update

[Cecily Walker]

Anyhoo, thanks for being tolerant of the off topic post, moderator-types. I 
appreciate it.

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 6:51:16 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Some of you have followed my various health complaints over the last year 
 or so, and I'm thankful for your friendship and support. I wanted to let 
 you know that I finally have a date for knee replacement surgery. I'll be 
 going in on July 7, 2015. I'll be in the hospital for at least 3 days, and 
 definitely off the bike for several months. Getting back on my bike is my 
 biggest motivation, so if you ever hear me complain about how hard 
 physiotherapy and rehab are, point me in the direction of my Betty Foy and 
 tell me to stick with it. 

 I hope you're all riding well and joyfully!

 Cheers,
 Cecily 


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[RBW] Re: A Life Update

[Cecily Walker]

Best of luck, Kenneth!

On Friday, June 5, 2015 at 8:27:12 PM UTC-7, Kenneth Cote wrote:

 I've got rotator cuff surgery due about the same time. Guarantee is it 
 won't be worse. May not be better. Hopefully I can ride 
  after a short bit of pain.

 On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 5:58:27 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Oh, Michael, I am TERRIFIED. The dreams I've been having as I get closer 
 and closer to the surgery date have been ever so vivid.   People have asked 
 me what I'm going to do after the surgery, and to be honest, everything 
 after July 7 is a total blank. I can't even think that far ahead. 

 One day at a time, or so I've heard. :)


 On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Cecily,  I'm not sure if this is good or bad news.  As a registered 
 card-carrying-coward I hate the idea of people making holes in my body and 
 usually cross my legs whenever the topic comes up.  On the other hand being 
 in a lot of pain sucks too and the hope for relief is a great motivator. 
  I'll keep you, your surgeon and your PT in my prayers.

 You are a blessing,
 Michael

 On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 9:51:16 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Some of you have followed my various health complaints over the last 
 year or so, and I'm thankful for your friendship and support. I wanted to 
 let you know that I finally have a date for knee replacement surgery. I'll 
 be going in on July 7, 2015. I'll be in the hospital for at least 3 days, 
 and definitely off the bike for several months. Getting back on my bike is 
 my biggest motivation, so if you ever hear me complain about how hard 
 physiotherapy and rehab are, point me in the direction of my Betty Foy and 
 tell me to stick with it. 

 I hope you're all riding well and joyfully!

 Cheers,
 Cecily 



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[RBW] Re: A Life Update

[Cecily Walker]

If all goes well, I expect to check in roughly 4-7 days after surgery. 

On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 3:53:04 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:

 Cecily, best wishes for a transforming procedure and a quick recovery. 
  Hopefully, you'll keep checking in here to cheer us on, and more 
 importantly, to keep stoked for the good times ahead.  Thanks for your 
 encouraging participation in this group. 

 Chris Johnson 
 Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Bike Crank Question

[Cecily Walker]

I will - thanks, Ron!

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 4:45:30 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 also check with outside outfitters to see if they have the crank arms you 
 need - they repackage and ship, so the process can take a couple of weeks, 
 but their prices can be the best on individual items.  On my most recent 
 bike, I bought crank arms, cassette and custom cogs, and chain from them.  

 On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 4:48:43 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Here's a set for $45.  I have no idea what the quality is and it doesn't 
 say if it's a double or a triple:


 https://www.benscycle.com/p-893-origin-8-andel-110bcd-crankarms-165mm-silver.aspx
 ?

 If your current rings are in need of a good cleaning then it's not that 
 much more work.  On the other hand, if your current set is in good 
 condition, you could buy new and resell the used for not too much out of 
 pocket.

 Good to hear from you,
 Michael

 On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 9:54:45 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:

 This is a really dumb question that probably could've been answered by 
 using a search engine, but I'd rather ask y'all. Is it possible to just buy 
 crank arms, or do I need to buy the whole thing, rings, crank and all? My 
 physiotherapist thinks that switching to shorter crank arms might improve 
 bike fit in the long run, especially after surgery while I work on getting 
 my range of motion back.

 Thanks!
 Cecily



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[RBW] Re: Post your favourite memories on your Riv

[Cecily Walker]

Takashi, I love your photos. There's such a sense of serenity about them.  


On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 5:28:38 AM UTC-7, Takashi wrote:

 Awesome pictures, Mark!
 Agreed about #4. Cold  miserable rides are usually the most memorable 
 ones.

 Cecily, your photos make me happy.
 Too bad that you can't ride now. I hope that you get well soon and post 
 your photos again.

 I can't decide which ride is better than other, so I will just post a 
 picture that I think is most beautiful.
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8160613734/
 Autumn is my favorite season!

 Takashi


 2015年6月4日木曜日 1時18分34秒 UTC+9 Mark Reimer:

 Someone asked me recently to send them some pictures of my Atlantis and 
 as I was going through them I realized just how many awesome rides I've had 
 on it in the relatively short time I've owned it. (14 months). I thought 
 I'd share some of the moments that stand out in my mind, either for being 
 the most fun or the most memorable...


 1) Most recently, riding from Seattle to Portland, primarily via gravel 
 roads and fire service roads. This photo was on a detour up to the Paradise 
 visitor center. Climbing up was brutal, but the descent...oh the descent. 



 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aa4hg_rpIVM/VW8mIkCy6BI/LHs/rUjC4kG02DE/s1600/18235999305_68f34a6445_k.jpg

 2) My first REALLY cold s24o. Rode about 2.5 hours on trails, camped on 
 the riverbank next to a friends office at the local university incase we 
 required an emergency escape from the weather. -38C.


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1V8nPzw2BPg/VW8mg4ID__I/LH0/BSLZx44bjfk/s1600/15824132104_48a1ffa7e2_h.jpg

 3) Oregon Outback! 600km of maximum comfort on the Fatlantis. I know I've 
 been saying I would write up a report, but it sounds like I may have a 
 report being published in a particular online magazine next month, so I'll 
 hold off till that's out and share with you guys. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vJOmSIOHvoo/VW8mzZqvCAI/LH8/6rpQPUEsREA/s1600/18236733691_ed20e40af4_k.jpg

 4) Solo spring s24o. Went for a leisurely and mild 40km ride out of town. 
 Then got hit by a blizzard overnight. At the time it wasn't much fun. In 
 hindsight, it was awesome.


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l4g2NymFdP8/VW8nBijWc6I/LIE/1cG5o2vPpJg/s1600/16569434209_5a54685f56_k.jpg

 5) 100km ride with my wife - her longest ride. We rode to her home town 
 West of the city on a seldom used highway. We stopped for naps, picnics, 
 beers, to say hi to the local farm animals, it was really quite a nice day. 
 This donkey really liked the atlantis. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NsfXI1kHywM/VW8nUobrwhI/LIM/WodJ8LJIisY/s1600/14914918593_374eee27c4_h.jpg

 6) This 'treehouse' of sorts is my go-to destination for evening rides. 
 32km return on bike paths, making it a nice and easy spin to a cool 
 destination. I'll often sit on the roof of the treehouse to make coffee, 
 have a beer, or just watch the sunset before heading back. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_NfVacHevI/VW8nwEpJDMI/LIU/hnEycF5NhVk/s1600/16227672163_bec564b834_k.jpg

 7) First multi-day tour. This was a few months after I bought the 
 atlantis and my first time riding more than two days. It was a fantastic 
 experience made better by the fact that my bike performed flawlessly. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Dh8NHtkWYhE/VW8oCK-aH1I/LIc/31Ye8h2EY5M/s1600/14948467796_8bc0b5f13d_h.jpg

 8) Single track in the birch grove. There is a large urban forest in 
 Winnipeg and this past spring I found a new stretch of single track that 
 would through this gorgeous grove of birch trees. It was warm enough to be 
 outside all day comfortably, but cool enough that the snow stayed hard 
 under the tires.


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gwi_fwcFufk/VW8oZNc2dPI/LIk/6treaMcrzFE/s1600/16369296007_70d38d74b9_k.jpg



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[RBW] Re: A Life Update

[Cecily Walker]

Oh, Michael, I am TERRIFIED. The dreams I've been having as I get closer 
and closer to the surgery date have been ever so vivid.   People have asked 
me what I'm going to do after the surgery, and to be honest, everything 
after July 7 is a total blank. I can't even think that far ahead. 

One day at a time, or so I've heard. :)


On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Cecily,  I'm not sure if this is good or bad news.  As a registered 
 card-carrying-coward I hate the idea of people making holes in my body and 
 usually cross my legs whenever the topic comes up.  On the other hand being 
 in a lot of pain sucks too and the hope for relief is a great motivator. 
  I'll keep you, your surgeon and your PT in my prayers.

 You are a blessing,
 Michael

 On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 9:51:16 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Some of you have followed my various health complaints over the last year 
 or so, and I'm thankful for your friendship and support. I wanted to let 
 you know that I finally have a date for knee replacement surgery. I'll be 
 going in on July 7, 2015. I'll be in the hospital for at least 3 days, and 
 definitely off the bike for several months. Getting back on my bike is my 
 biggest motivation, so if you ever hear me complain about how hard 
 physiotherapy and rehab are, point me in the direction of my Betty Foy and 
 tell me to stick with it. 

 I hope you're all riding well and joyfully!

 Cheers,
 Cecily 



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[RBW] Re: A Life Update

[Cecily Walker]

I'll eventually need to get the other done as well. I can't even imagine 
doing both at once, though. *shudder*

I hear that as long as I keep up with rehab and have patience, in about 6-8 
months I'll wonder why I hadn't done it sooner. If you can get it done 
before you lose independence (like I have), I'd say go ahead and get it 
done now. Canada's socialized health system pretty much dictated that I had 
to wait until I could barely walk/stand before I got the surgery. Hopefully 
you won't get to that place. 

If Orthovisc/Synvisc injections are helping, I'd say do those for as long 
as you can, if money permits. They helped me for a long time, until nothing 
else could be done.

Good luck, Clayton!

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 8:13:51 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:


 Cecily, I hope all goes great!  Work hard at rehab! Please keeps us 
 informed on your progress. My orthopedist keeps telling me I need a new 
 knee too. I have been putting it off. I had a ex-marine friend get both his 
 knees done at once. He really regretted that decision, but he now rides 
 motorcycles and bikes off road. 


 Claytonious Q 


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[RBW] Re: Bike Crank Question

[Cecily Walker]

My physio suggested 165. Most of my height is in my torso, but I think 160 
would be a bit short for me -- thanks for the offer!

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 12:05:12 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 How short do you want to go? I have a gorgeous 160mm Suntour Sprint crank 
 that I don't think I'm ever going to use. 130 BCD double, and I probably 
 can find rings for it, too. Gimme a holler if you think you can use it, the 
 price will be reasonable.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 6:54:45 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 This is a really dumb question that probably could've been answered by 
 using a search engine, but I'd rather ask y'all. Is it possible to just buy 
 crank arms, or do I need to buy the whole thing, rings, crank and all? My 
 physiotherapist thinks that switching to shorter crank arms might improve 
 bike fit in the long run, especially after surgery while I work on getting 
 my range of motion back.

 Thanks!
 Cecily



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[RBW] Re: Bike Crank Question

[Cecily Walker]

See, this is why I keep coming to this group. So many helpful folks who 
tolerate my questions. Thanks, everyone!

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 6:54:45 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 This is a really dumb question that probably could've been answered by 
 using a search engine, but I'd rather ask y'all. Is it possible to just buy 
 crank arms, or do I need to buy the whole thing, rings, crank and all? My 
 physiotherapist thinks that switching to shorter crank arms might improve 
 bike fit in the long run, especially after surgery while I work on getting 
 my range of motion back.

 Thanks!
 Cecily


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[RBW] Re: My 60cm, Sweet Betty for sale

[Cecily Walker]

I wish I could buy it just because it's famous, but sadly it's too big for 
me!

Good luck with the sale.

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 7:36:26 AM UTC-7, Miesha Kerl wrote:

 Hi Guys, 

 I'm posting my 60cm Betty Foy for sale.  Custom painted at DD Cycles.

 Fancy, stock Albatross build.  Paul Thumbies with Shimano shifters.

 Wheels built by Rich at Hands on Wheels.

 Lightly used.  In excellent condition.

 Asking $2000.

 Would prefer local pick-up, but will ship just about anywhere in USA for 
 an additional $200.

 Contact me: mie...@rivbike.com javascript: if interested.

 See pictures here: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff11.htm

 Miesha 


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[RBW] Re: Post your favourite memories on your Riv

[Cecily Walker]

These are so great - thanks for sharing them with us. 

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 9:18:34 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Someone asked me recently to send them some pictures of my Atlantis and as 
 I was going through them I realized just how many awesome rides I've had on 
 it in the relatively short time I've owned it. (14 months). I thought I'd 
 share some of the moments that stand out in my mind, either for being the 
 most fun or the most memorable...


 1) Most recently, riding from Seattle to Portland, primarily via gravel 
 roads and fire service roads. This photo was on a detour up to the Paradise 
 visitor center. Climbing up was brutal, but the descent...oh the descent. 



 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aa4hg_rpIVM/VW8mIkCy6BI/LHs/rUjC4kG02DE/s1600/18235999305_68f34a6445_k.jpg

 2) My first REALLY cold s24o. Rode about 2.5 hours on trails, camped on 
 the riverbank next to a friends office at the local university incase we 
 required an emergency escape from the weather. -38C.


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1V8nPzw2BPg/VW8mg4ID__I/LH0/BSLZx44bjfk/s1600/15824132104_48a1ffa7e2_h.jpg

 3) Oregon Outback! 600km of maximum comfort on the Fatlantis. I know I've 
 been saying I would write up a report, but it sounds like I may have a 
 report being published in a particular online magazine next month, so I'll 
 hold off till that's out and share with you guys. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vJOmSIOHvoo/VW8mzZqvCAI/LH8/6rpQPUEsREA/s1600/18236733691_ed20e40af4_k.jpg

 4) Solo spring s24o. Went for a leisurely and mild 40km ride out of town. 
 Then got hit by a blizzard overnight. At the time it wasn't much fun. In 
 hindsight, it was awesome.


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l4g2NymFdP8/VW8nBijWc6I/LIE/1cG5o2vPpJg/s1600/16569434209_5a54685f56_k.jpg

 5) 100km ride with my wife - her longest ride. We rode to her home town 
 West of the city on a seldom used highway. We stopped for naps, picnics, 
 beers, to say hi to the local farm animals, it was really quite a nice day. 
 This donkey really liked the atlantis. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NsfXI1kHywM/VW8nUobrwhI/LIM/WodJ8LJIisY/s1600/14914918593_374eee27c4_h.jpg

 6) This 'treehouse' of sorts is my go-to destination for evening rides. 
 32km return on bike paths, making it a nice and easy spin to a cool 
 destination. I'll often sit on the roof of the treehouse to make coffee, 
 have a beer, or just watch the sunset before heading back. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_NfVacHevI/VW8nwEpJDMI/LIU/hnEycF5NhVk/s1600/16227672163_bec564b834_k.jpg

 7) First multi-day tour. This was a few months after I bought the atlantis 
 and my first time riding more than two days. It was a fantastic experience 
 made better by the fact that my bike performed flawlessly. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Dh8NHtkWYhE/VW8oCK-aH1I/LIc/31Ye8h2EY5M/s1600/14948467796_8bc0b5f13d_h.jpg

 8) Single track in the birch grove. There is a large urban forest in 
 Winnipeg and this past spring I found a new stretch of single track that 
 would through this gorgeous grove of birch trees. It was warm enough to be 
 outside all day comfortably, but cool enough that the snow stayed hard 
 under the tires.


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gwi_fwcFufk/VW8oZNc2dPI/LIk/6treaMcrzFE/s1600/16369296007_70d38d74b9_k.jpg



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[RBW] Re: Post your favourite memories on your Riv

[Cecily Walker]

First ride with Rizzo, a 41km farm tour. It might not seem like much to 
you, but for me, it was a lot. And a lot of fun. 

https://flic.kr/p/fxa1nz

Next favourite: a weekend in Winthrop, WA with friends celebrating my 
birthday. It was my first time riding single track, but Rizzo was a champ. 

https://flic.kr/p/g51KTT
https://flic.kr/p/g53qCz


Lastly, the time I tried to ride in snow. The city of Vancouver doesn't get 
a lot of snow, but it was enough to lay me flat on my butt when the bike 
slipped. Still fun though. :)

https://flic.kr/p/itsoeU

I miss my bike so much. 

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[RBW] Re: A Life Update

[Cecily Walker]

You're a hoot. :-)

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 6:54:43 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 You're gonna let 'um cap you? Brave lass! I hope you get out of that joint 
 soon, without getting too disjointed. Can't you patella I've had one too 
 many knee surgeries? It's a bad tendon-cy. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 7:51:16 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Some of you have followed my various health complaints over the last year 
 or so, and I'm thankful for your friendship and support. I wanted to let 
 you know that I finally have a date for knee replacement surgery. I'll be 
 going in on July 7, 2015. I'll be in the hospital for at least 3 days, and 
 definitely off the bike for several months. Getting back on my bike is my 
 biggest motivation, so if you ever hear me complain about how hard 
 physiotherapy and rehab are, point me in the direction of my Betty Foy and 
 tell me to stick with it. 

 I hope you're all riding well and joyfully!

 Cheers,
 Cecily 



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[RBW] A Life Update

[Cecily Walker]

Some of you have followed my various health complaints over the last year 
or so, and I'm thankful for your friendship and support. I wanted to let 
you know that I finally have a date for knee replacement surgery. I'll be 
going in on July 7, 2015. I'll be in the hospital for at least 3 days, and 
definitely off the bike for several months. Getting back on my bike is my 
biggest motivation, so if you ever hear me complain about how hard 
physiotherapy and rehab are, point me in the direction of my Betty Foy and 
tell me to stick with it. 

I hope you're all riding well and joyfully!

Cheers,
Cecily 

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[RBW] Bike Crank Question

[Cecily Walker]

This is a really dumb question that probably could've been answered by 
using a search engine, but I'd rather ask y'all. Is it possible to just buy 
crank arms, or do I need to buy the whole thing, rings, crank and all? My 
physiotherapist thinks that switching to shorter crank arms might improve 
bike fit in the long run, especially after surgery while I work on getting 
my range of motion back.

Thanks!
Cecily

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Re: [RBW] Re: Birthday Bike overnight.

[Cecily Walker]

Awww. Thanks, Ryan. 


On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 2:52:58 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 That is too bad, Cecily. I hope that you have your surgery soon and the 
 recovery is successful. I can well understand your frustration, loving my 
 own bikes as much as I do. I would find your situation hard to bear, indeed 
  But  from what I've gleaned in your posts, you are a lady of great 
 fortitude and I feel  in the end that you and Betty  will triumph!
  
 Best wishes
  
 Ryan in Winnipeg
 On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 3:24:54 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Thanks for asking, Hugh. 

 I'm off the bike for the foreseeable future, I'm afraid. The knee has 
 deteriorated to the point where riding more than 30 minutes is difficult, 
 and hills are right out. I still take it out for short joy rides now and 
 again, but I end up regretting it for days afterward. 

 I'm still waiting for a surgery date, after which I'll be barred from 
 riding on the street for at least 6 months. I'm understandably bummed. 


 On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Thanks Cecily! How's your riding these days? 

 ~Hugh

 On Tue, May 5, 2015, 6:14 PM Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great photos. Happy belated birthday!


 On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 12:50:45 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Just some pictures of a good time on a bike with a good friend.

 Here http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

 ~Hugh
   Los Angeles, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Birthday Bike overnight.

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks, Hugh. :) 

On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Cecily, 

 What a bummer!  I know how frustrating this must be. It drives me Looney 
 when I'm forced off my bike for even a few days. I daydream of those days 
 when my body always cooperated no matter what I threw at it. Today is an 
 entirely different case I'm afraid. I can only imagine how painful your 
 knee pain is. 

 I agree with Ryan about your fortitude, you and betty will prevail. 

 Much Love,

 ~Hugh
 On May 7, 2015 1:25 PM, Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Thanks for asking, Hugh. 

 I'm off the bike for the foreseeable future, I'm afraid. The knee has 
 deteriorated to the point where riding more than 30 minutes is difficult, 
 and hills are right out. I still take it out for short joy rides now and 
 again, but I end up regretting it for days afterward. 

 I'm still waiting for a surgery date, after which I'll be barred from 
 riding on the street for at least 6 months. I'm understandably bummed. 


 On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Thanks Cecily! How's your riding these days? 

 ~Hugh

 On Tue, May 5, 2015, 6:14 PM Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great photos. Happy belated birthday!


 On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 12:50:45 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Just some pictures of a good time on a bike with a good friend.

 Here http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

 ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Birthday Bike overnight.

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks for asking, Hugh. 

I'm off the bike for the foreseeable future, I'm afraid. The knee has 
deteriorated to the point where riding more than 30 minutes is difficult, 
and hills are right out. I still take it out for short joy rides now and 
again, but I end up regretting it for days afterward. 

I'm still waiting for a surgery date, after which I'll be barred from 
riding on the street for at least 6 months. I'm understandably bummed. 


On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Thanks Cecily! How's your riding these days? 

 ~Hugh

 On Tue, May 5, 2015, 6:14 PM Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Great photos. Happy belated birthday!


 On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 12:50:45 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Just some pictures of a good time on a bike with a good friend.

 Here http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

 ~Hugh
   Los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] Re: Birthday Bike overnight.

[Cecily Walker]

Great photos. Happy belated birthday!

On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 12:50:45 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Just some pictures of a good time on a bike with a good friend.

 Here http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

 ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Clydesdale's -- Which Riv Model are you riding?

[Cecily Walker]

Not posting my weight (not because I'm embarrassed, but to keep from 
getting lots of messages about reading the Eat Bacon book), but I'm an 
Athena, and I ride a Betty Foy. I use a Nitto S83 seatpost, and I ride on 
38mm Soma New Express tires. No problems whatsoever, even when I was doing 
longer rides over rougher terrain. 

I know many bike manufacturers post weight limits to keep lawyers happy, 
but I think anyone who is in the 300-350lb range can safely ride a Betty, 
Cheviot or Sam. I don't think a Hunqapillar or an Atlantis is necessary, 
unless you just really want one of those models.

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 1:26:14 PM UTC-7, DSat wrote:

 To the riders that weigh 200 lbs or more, which Riv model are you riding?  
 I am just shy of 300, so should I consider one model over another?  I 
 assume that the wider the tires the better.


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[RBW] Re: Cheviot vs Betty Foy vs Clementine Step Over Height

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks, Garth!



On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

 http://cdn3.volusion.com/ctxtv.wmppt/v/vspfiles/photos/pre3-4.jpg

 http://cdn3.volusion.com/ctxtv.wmppt/v/vspfiles/photos/f-cheviot-4.jpg

 http://cdn3.volusion.com/ctxtv.wmppt/v/vspfiles/photos/staff15-2.jpg


 I looked at all 3 from a Riv side shot , the ones they do against a wall 
 with convenient horizontal lines, and it appears the Cheviot and Betty are 
 the same . The Clementine while not appearing to being any lower , by 
 virtue of the swooped tube it may offer easier entry for your feet to clear 
 it, make sense ?   Also notice how much more forward the curve of the top 
 tube on the Clementine is than the others .  



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[RBW] Cheviot vs Betty Foy vs Clementine Step Over Height

[Cecily Walker]

One of the great disappointments I've encountered as a Betty Foy owner with 
physical disabilities is that the step over height of the Betty is quite 
high - so high that I end up having to throw my leg clear over the saddle 
just to mount the bike. It's not the most stable position, nor is it 
particularly elegant for those of us who wear skirts on occasion. 

I'm wondering whether the step over height of the Cheviot is somewhat 
lower? I can't tell from the photos I've seen, but it kind of looks like it 
might be. And does anyone know the standover height of the 52cm  Clementine?

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[Cecily Walker]

Truth. But unless the step over height is lower than the Betty (which I 
don't think it is), I'll pass. 



On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 1:44:52 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 3:27:04 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Stop making me want a Cheviot. *pout*


 But Cecily, we're not making you do anything; you DO want a Cheviot!


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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[Cecily Walker]

Stop making me want a Cheviot. *pout*


On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 8:22:38 AM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 This may not make it up because I am a new member and my first posting 
 from over a week ago hasn't shown up.  I just want to share with everyone 
 that I got my Cheviot 2 days ago and I love it..  Went on a long ride 
 yesterday (with my husband riding his new Space Horse thanks to this 
 group) and had so much fun.  Should've bought a good bike years ago.

 It is beautiful.  Only problem is I refused to leave it outside and my 
 husband is not really pleased with it in the motor home.  But my son 
 understood completely.  He bought a used Cross Check last week and has it 
 in the house because he just loves looking at it (and he has several Rivs 
 out in the garage so it shouldn't be quite as special an experience for 
 him).

 I just don't have any good bicycle knowledge, although I've really been 
 studying up and know 100 times more than I did 4 months ago.  So it was a 
 little scary for me buying this bike, but I couldn't shake the way the 
 Rivendell philosophy spoke to me and I daughter-in-law graciously let me 
 ride her too-big-for-me Glorius enough that it helped.  I had to really 
 rely on Keven.  He patiently answered all my questions, but really I had to 
 just rely on him and I would say the bike is spot-on for me.  Did I mention 
 it is beautiful, - in a very rugged, sporty way.  I agonized over orange 
 because I loved my daughter-in-law's blue bikes, but the orange with the 
 blue highlights is just perfect.  

 As I said, I don't really know bikes but it was like a feast just looking 
 at the beautiful bikes in their shop Monday.  The Clems and Clementines are 
 there with beautiful paint jobs.  The curves on the Clementine are so 
 nice.  Makes me want to buy one even though that would be the most 
 ridiculous thing I could do.  It is a sickness.  We'll be dropping by again 
 to pick up a few things - if there is a specific photo someone would like, 
 I'm sure they wouldn't mind if we took it.  Let me know.


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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

[Cecily Walker]

Orange...clementine*drools*  *babbles incoherently*


On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 4:51:59 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I'm sure most of you check every day, but for those who missed it, there 
 are a few ClemSamples back from paint displayed on the BLUG.  Plan on 
 visiting Riv HQ next week and take a test ride!




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[RBW] Re: Street Clothes, Spandex or Other Bike Specific Clothing

[Cecily Walker]

Skirts and leggings, or leggings and tunics around town. On longer rides, I 
wear workout gear, though not lycra bike shorts or anything like that. 

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 6:34:17 AM UTC-8, Steve Cole wrote:

 I was just reading an issue of Adventure Cycling and noticed that nearly 
 all riders pictured were wearing spandex shorts and a typical racing bike 
 shirt.  Grant always argues bike-specific clothing is unnecessary.  I'm 
 wondering what others have adopted as their cycling outfits.  Around town, 
 commuting and on short hauls I wear baggy bike-specific shorts most often 
 with a liner and a regular, often cotton shirt.  For longer rides out of 
 town, I'll don spandex shorts.  I have fairly large thighs and the spandex 
 really helps avoid the chaffing.  


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[RBW] Re: Ms. Clementine

[Cecily Walker]

JEALOUS.

On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 10:17:06 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  Because I *clearly* need another bike, I signed up for a Clementine. 
   52 cm.  Might be for my wonderfully patient wife, or for my daughter, or 
 for an auction build – but wherever it’s bound for, it will be perfect!  
  
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[RBW] Re: Bikes make it possible...

[Cecily Walker]

Up until very recently, bikes made it possible for me to make peace with my 
larger-than-average-size body. It was hard to feel any self-loathing when 
my body got me where I  needed to go every day. Things are a lot tougher 
now what with the rheumatoid and osteoarthritis, so I'm not exactly feeling 
the (bike) love these days, but I really hope to feel that sense of 
limitless possibility again soon. 



On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 6:19:17 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I got to thinking on my ultra short ride of 3 miles RT today about what 
 the bike makes possible. What does the bike make possible for you? 

 — Every run I do is made possible by my bike. Today I rode my bike through 
 our wee mountain town on snow packed roads because if I’d walked or ran I’d 
 have had to turn around and not make it to the trail a mere 1.5 miles away 
 (laundry scents from dryer vents mostly). On the bike, I get past the 
 scents usually by holding my breath, without issue.

 — Running errands at the town 5 miles away. And I love it!

 — Bikepacking. I can’t carry weight above my waist, so backpacking is out. 
 My only options to see things very remote are to ultra run, or bikepack. 
 Some of these trips are also wondrous and sacred time with my kids. The 
 bike makes it possible!

 Those are my top three. What are yours?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: WTT one Bombadil for two Clems

[Cecily Walker]

HA. I came by to see if anyone would trade a Betty for for a Clementine. 


On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 5:50:28 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 You pre-order two Clem Smith frames for me and I will ship you my orange 
 56cm Bombadil. Frame fork headset and color matched orange powder coated 
 200mm bull moose bars.  I will wait for November but you can ride all 
 summer.  Let's do this. 

 Bill Lindsay 
 El Cerrito CA

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[RBW] Re: Bikes and Recovering from shoulder surgery

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks for the advice, friends. My doctor and his team are very 
conservative, but I'm doing my exercises now, will take full advantage of 
the 6 weeks off work to do PT 3 days a week, and hope to wow everyone with 
how quickly I'm back on my Betty Foy. 

On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 2:12:54 PM UTC-8, Jim Bailey wrote:

 Yesterday my new orthopedic surgeon informed me that I will have shoulder 
 surgery in March. He suspects I have been walking around with a torn labrum 
 in my left shoulder for some time (probably initially due to a bike wreck) 
 but worsened the injury moving oak logs (for firewood) mid-fall. For those 
 who know the jargon, it's a SLAP tear.

 Searching for info about cycling and recovery from this kind of surgery 
 has left me a bit blue. It looks like 4-6 weeks in a sling, then very slow 
 4-6 months to full use.

 Ironically, I'd just received a 54cm Sam Hillborne frame the week I tore 
 it. The frame is now fully built and sits unused.

 My questions are: Has anyone on the list had the surgery and, if so, what 
 was your recovery like? And, what's the best wisdom from the group 
 regarding cycling and recovery from SLAP repairs?

 Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Bikes and Recovering from shoulder surgery

[Cecily Walker]

I can empathize, Jim. I've just been told that I'll have to wait six 
*months* after knee replacement surgery to ride a non-stationary bike. 
Courage to you. 



On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 2:12:54 PM UTC-8, Jim Bailey wrote:

 Yesterday my new orthopedic surgeon informed me that I will have shoulder 
 surgery in March. He suspects I have been walking around with a torn labrum 
 in my left shoulder for some time (probably initially due to a bike wreck) 
 but worsened the injury moving oak logs (for firewood) mid-fall. For those 
 who know the jargon, it's a SLAP tear.

 Searching for info about cycling and recovery from this kind of surgery 
 has left me a bit blue. It looks like 4-6 weeks in a sling, then very slow 
 4-6 months to full use.

 Ironically, I'd just received a 54cm Sam Hillborne frame the week I tore 
 it. The frame is now fully built and sits unused.

 My questions are: Has anyone on the list had the surgery and, if so, what 
 was your recovery like? And, what's the best wisdom from the group 
 regarding cycling and recovery from SLAP repairs?

 Thanks,
 Jim in Knoxville, TN


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes and Recovering from shoulder surgery

[Cecily Walker]

Yep, I'm on deck for a full replacement sometime this spring. Yay?

On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 02/21/2015 12:57 PM, Cecily Walker wrote:
  
 I can empathize, Jim. I've just been told that I'll have to wait six 
 *months* after knee replacement surgery to ride a non-stationary bike. 
 Courage to you.  

  
  
 This must have been a full replacement.  I had a partial replacement on 3 
 December and was told I could ride on the road on 1 March.


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: This is what Bikes do..

[Cecily Walker]

They're out here, for sure. I'm just not out there with them for the next 
little while. :-/

On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:06:35 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:

 They're hiding there in that beautiful city of yours somewhere.

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Manny's pictures always make me envious that I don't have many neato 
 bikey friends. 



 On Saturday, December 27, 2014 6:15:59 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 ... Provide experiences to share with old friends, family and new friend 
 alike.
 I hope your holidays not only included lots of riding but fun times 

 Pictures prove that tricking family and friends to ride might surprise 
 then into great experiences.
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk3zQ3C2

 Pictures also prove that the last overnight of 2014 should always be at 
 Diablo:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk76RB7s

 Manny  Winter break isn't over yet... Acosta


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[RBW] Re: This is what Bikes do..

[Cecily Walker]

Manny's pictures always make me envious that I don't have many neato bikey 
friends. 



On Saturday, December 27, 2014 6:15:59 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 ... Provide experiences to share with old friends, family and new friend 
 alike.
 I hope your holidays not only included lots of riding but fun times 

 Pictures prove that tricking family and friends to ride might surprise 
 then into great experiences.
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk3zQ3C2

 Pictures also prove that the last overnight of 2014 should always be at 
 Diablo:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk76RB7s

 Manny  Winter break isn't over yet... Acosta




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Re: [RBW] Re: (OT) What Kind of Snowshoes Should I Get?

[Cecily Walker]

+1 MSR snowshoes as I am also a big specimen. But I mostly go out when the 
snow is a little more packed down than when it's fresh powder, so floating 
isn't as much of an issue. 



On Monday, December 22, 2014 12:10:30 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:

 +1 MSR snowshoes, but Amit, you're a big specimen so floatation is 
 important. Rent a few pairs and find out what you like.

 cchen, who has MSRs

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 wrote:

 The wife and I have ancient pairs of Atlas that have always done well in 
 the wet, heavy 'Sierra cement'. BUT, the kids have MSRs, and I think these 
 are the superior design for anything short of frequent, intense use or 
 backcountry applications. Pretty light, pretty cheap, and dead simple. 

 Ditto the steep and cheap reference, they have screaming deals but you 
 gotta pay attention.

 Cheers,

 Neil

 On Friday, December 19, 2014 7:30:43 PM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

 A few folks are talking about a snow-camping adventure. They say 
 snowshoes are required, and that fat bikes won't float enough on the 
 powder. So ... what kind of snowshoe should I get? Is there a riv-ish 
 snowshoe? MUSA? I imagine weight and height is a consideration - I'm 6'6, 
 230lbs and wear size 13 shoes.

 Thanks in advance for your help!

 Amit

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot

[Cecily Walker]

Your photos really do that colour justice. Best ones I've seen yet. Happy 
riding!

On Friday, December 12, 2014 5:29:08 PM UTC-8, Kellie Stapleton wrote:

 My new luscious green Cheviot I built up about 2 weeks ago!


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[RBW] Re: Help our SOs! Gift Ideas

[Cecily Walker]

A new knee. :-/

On Sunday, December 7, 2014 5:30:39 PM UTC-8, Glen wrote:

 Christmas gift ideas were easy 2 years ago when I was building my Atlantis.

 What are your bike/Rivish gift ideas to your wives/husbands/friends/etc?

 Right now I'm stuck at a good headlight for my Atlantis, what else have 
 you?


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[RBW] Re: Cheviot Sighting in Vancouver, BC

[Cecily Walker]

Sure thing. Hopefully I'll be back riding by then. 



On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:32:00 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Now I like that idea. I also love Vancouver but have yet to cycle around 
 the lovely city...perhaps this Summer? 

 ~Hugh 
  Los Angeles, CA 


 On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 5:53:28 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote: 
  Try to ignore how they spelled Rivendell.. 
  
  http://vancouverisawesome.com/2014/11/20/bike-brake-175/ 



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[RBW] Cheviot Sighting in Vancouver, BC

[Cecily Walker]

Try to ignore how they spelled Rivendell..

http://vancouverisawesome.com/2014/11/20/bike-brake-175/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

The hub rack sounds like a good idea but (1) I'm only carrying a laptop and 
maybe a coat in my front basket and (2) I'm trying to do this without 
spending a whole lotta money. :)



On Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:35:47 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:

 I second what Matt's saying here.  If you carried the weight down low in 
 panniers, it would feel a lot more stable.  

 When I first set up my girlfriend's San Marcos, she tried a lovely House 
 of Talents basket 
 http://houseoftalents.com/shop/bicycle-basket/asungtaba-bike-basket-368/ 
 on the handlebars, supported by a VO Constructeur 
 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-constructeur-front-rack.html 
 rack.  She hated how much the wheel flopped with any load in the 
 basket--especially her awesome-but-heavy Abus chain.  

 For RAGBRAI, I switched those out for a Campee Classic 
 https://www.benscycle.com/p-2125-nitto-campee-front-rack-26.aspx, with 
 medium panniers on the lowrider frames.  She loves how the low load makes 
 the front end more stable, even with the load unbalanced to one side or the 
 other (seriously, that chain is like 3.5 lbs).  Her San Marcos now obeys 
 when she tells it to sit on its single kickstand.  She refuses to give 
 the rack and bags back!  But that's OK, because I'm paid back by her 
 satisfied smiles when she rides it.

 Of course, getting set up with a front lowrider rack and bags wouldn't be 
 cheap.  The HAR http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm would bolt 
 right on to your Betty, as would the Big Front 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r5.htm or the similar/cheaper/less 
 pretty Surly Nice Rack http://surlybikes.com/parts/cargo/surly_rack.  
 There are other lowrider racks, like the Tubus one that Peter White has 
 http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/tubus_racks.asp, but I don't know if 
 their mount points would match up easily to your mid-fork eyelets.  But 
 clamps work fine.

 From there you could attach any kind of bags (waxed canvas is great, 
 waterproof roll-tops are great) or even buckets 
 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GlsdABloJOQ/TBkVKXFdfKI/ACM/_oWNBycvU6g/s1600/Buckets+2.JPG
  
 or baskets 
 http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/da/99/92/da9992ed8733caf20f22024a129bb1e7.jpg.
   
 The Ortlieb hooks http://www.ortliebusa.com/ProdList.asp?scat=21 are 
 secure yet easy-on/easy-off, and could be attached to anything.

 A double kickstand would be cheaper!  But moving the load lower on the 
 front would improve handling while riding and while parked.  Something to 
 think about.

 Cheers,
 Tim

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 Cecily, 

 A possible solution could be the Mark's Hub Area Rack.  Due to it's lower 
 center of gravity I'd think it would have less flop.  That combined with a 
 double legged kick stand should almost guarantee a solution.   But hey  
 ...  no guarantees :)

 Matt

 On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, 
 my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
 anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
 stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 

 Cheers,
 Cecily 

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

This might actually work! Thanks, Lew!

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:17:54 AM UTC-8, Lew Plummer wrote:

 Shimano makes the perfect steering lock but usually distributes them only 
 to OEM's.  I believe Niagara Cycles has these. SEE HERE 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vg0_meTSJI.  Your Betty probably has 
 enough steer tube to accommodate this device.



 Regards, Lew Plummer

 On Friday, October 31, 2014 7:25:43 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my 
 front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
 anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
 stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 

 Cheers,
 Cecily 



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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer at 
work, but I'll check it out from home. 

Cheers!

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:

 Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my 
 Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops! 
 It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to 
 anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is anchored 
 on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I 
 made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I 
 sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when 
 not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it 
 stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for 
 touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!

 Clayton (Bend)

 On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty Foy, my 
 front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when there's 
 anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on wheel 
 stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the flop. 

 Cheers,
 Cecily 



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[RBW] Re: Biking with the future wifey.

[Cecily Walker]

Congratulations! 

On Saturday, November 8, 2014 6:43:02 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 You know it's true love when you decide that a ride with a love one is 
 more important than a ride for yourself. 

 Pictures proved that I am incredibly lucky to have someone to join me:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk62KXd2

 Manny Weddings are expensive Acosta


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Re: [RBW] Riv for the wife

[Cecily Walker]

The top tube on the Betty Foy ain't *that* low, says this Betty Foy owner 
with lots of joint problems. 



On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 4:53:52 AM UTC-8, Michael Flournoy wrote:

 She needs the low top tube. Joint problems.


 On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:50:42 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:

 What about one of the other Rivs? I agree with you about the Cheviot 
 colors; baby vomit color is not to my taste either, and I don't like 
 orange. Can she fit on a Sam or a Homer? 

 If I were you I'd be looking for a used Betty in good condition. They 
 come on the market from time to time. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

HA! I do this too, Eunice. A fellow cyclist caught me saying STAY to my 
Betty Foy one day and I was so embarrassed. 


On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:02:12 AM UTC-8, Eunice Chang wrote:

 I have this problem on both of my bikes. I turn the front wheel in the 
 opposite direction of kickstand (both have single ones) and tell them in my 
 best dog mom voice: STAY. It sort of works. Mostly because they know that 
 if they don't, they don't get to go out of the prison ^H^H^H bike shed for 
 a ride.

 Otherwise, if there's a wall or anything to lean on, I'll use it. 

 -E.

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Oh, sure! I'll just grab my neighbor's kid and strap her to the front of 
 the Betty Foy! :-D



 On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:17:04 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Perhaps more elaborate than you were initially thinking, this is an 
 inspired solution from Shoji. Just be sure the kid has a wall beside them!
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/15357513879/in/pool-hunqapillar

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

I have a twin leg kickstand already, and it doesn't help. 

On Friday, October 31, 2014 8:01:20 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

 If it's mostly flop when parked on a kickstand that's the trouble, perhaps 
 a twin leg stand would help.

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

[Cecily Walker]

I took it to the bike shop on Saturday, and a loose headset wasn't the 
problem. I'd hate to have the kickstand cut and find out that wasn't the 
solution either. I'm not putting a hugely heavy load in the front: just a 
messenger bag with a MacBook air in it. 

I guess I could learn to live with it, since it doesn't affect how the bike 
handles at all. It just annoys me.

On Friday, October 31, 2014 6:35:49 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:

 Probably unlikely, but a loose headset would cause the front end to flop 
 when parked moreso than a properly adjusted headset. 
 Exploring every option. 
 David
 Chicago

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