[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Eric Marth]

Hi Armand, this is a great build. 

How are you liking those MKS Pretzels? I'm considering getting a pair. 
On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 6:01:38 PM UTC-4 jmeln...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was nice to meet you on Saturday at Topanga Creek Outpost, Armand! Your 
> Platy is even more gorgeous in person.
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:53:45 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:
>
>> See you this weekend Armand! Will be on my Atlantis and at least 
>> attempting the triple scoop.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:41:18 AM UTC-7 glennma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Having just gotten my first Rivendell--a Platypus no less--this is very 
>>> inspiring. You've put together a truly beautiful bike. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 9:24:30 AM UTC-4 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
 beautiful build. I love the video of you riding it on the trails. 

 I really need to find the time to build mine up... 

 On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:31:39 AM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Ahhh! Beautiful build! I appreciate the details and photos you've 
> shared of your informed and thoughtful build. What a Platypus!
>
> Wishing you thousands of safe and happy miles,
>
> Tom 
> (leaving Miami)
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Wow...that's some build...love that chainring attachment for your 
>> basket. Really creative! Did you do that yourself or is that something 
>> you 
>> bought?  Anyway, nice bike and that color kind of grows on you
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 4:48:28 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>>
>>> I thoroughly enjoyed this write-up. I can tell you've put in a lot 
>>> of thought to this bike, and it's beautiful.
>>> Your approach to this build as a performance upright bicycle and 
>>> your subsequent revelations as to the comfort mirror my own on my new, 
>>> purple Appaloosa. I have the same bars too, but slightly wider tyres! 
>>> All I 
>>> need is some bar tape and to mount my shifters upside down like yours 
>>> for 
>>> those secondary hand positions to really be dialled.
>>> Hope you have many more adventures to come.
>>>
>>> PS: I was told the Quills couldn't handle 48s (I have them on my 
>>> singlespeed). Are you running yours tubeless?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:26:44 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
 
  
 *

 Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho 
 Bars, Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, 
 Rivendell 
 S2 friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap 
 with 
 clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with 
 Brooks 
 B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.

 [image: IMG_3282.JPG]

 Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, 
 and Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and 
 nitto 
 cable hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped 
 off 
 with Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey 
 e-bike pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate 
 canti-lever brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not 
 passed by test. Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.

 Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to 
 Velocity Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 
 36h 
 rear, all polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle 
 Ridge. I 
 will likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire 
 choice, 
 setup tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding 
 fast, especially on dirt. 

 Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight 
 road triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
 self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
 hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge 
 Bottom 
 bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set 
 screws 
 to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD 
 pedals 
 for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
 cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
 roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front derailleur. KMC 
 10-speed X10SL with the gold 

Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Eric Marth]

This looks like it was a great event. Thanks for all the pictures and 
reports. 

Armand, that picture above the clouds is unreal!

On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 10:14:58 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> 48s? Try 38s!
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> The ride, route and vibes really were all fantastic. 
>
> The final 10mile descent to the 39 was out of this world.
>
> [image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: 
> image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg]
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2024, at 6:55 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:
>
> The ride was fantastic. I had an engagement in the evening so I ended up 
> doing the double scoop. Getting above the marine layer was surreal! See the 
> pic below at the top of mt. disappointment. Was really great to see so many 
> people come out on the ride, with a solid handful of Riv's on the ride too! 
> Great to see you Neal, props for doing the full route. 
>
>
> Put some knobbies on the Platy and really enjoying riding it. Pushed the 
> limits of spirited riding on dirt on the descent with it, challenging to 
> keep enough weight on the front end for traction up front in the corners 
> but it was very smooth and predictable for a rigid bike on 48's. Will 
> definitely be dropping down my 28t chainring to a 26t I have in the parts 
> bin (11-34 cassette). 
>
> I've got a campsite at Parson's Landing on Catalina June 18-19 if anyone 
> wants to get in on it. 
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:30:36 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:
>
>> Ted - it was the Rincon Red Box road the entire way. Puts you out on 39 a 
>> little above the reservoir. My first time doing anything in that area. It 
>> was tough but none of the grade or surfaces were unreasonable - just long 
>> and a lot of climbing. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 5:44:39 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On May 19, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Neale S.  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I had a blast! Did the triple scoop and it was a beast, took me all day. 
>>> The aid station at the top of the single scoop was a mountaintop party. I 
>>> saw Armand and a few other Riv riders. Lots of other cool bikes, and plenty 
>>> of good vibes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, I had no idea there were trails connecting Mt Wilson and Glendora. 
>>> That looks like an amazing (ly difficult) ride!
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: For sale: Nexave rapid rise, Nitto stems, Suntour Cyclone

[Eric Marth]

Further updates! 

Nexave: Sold
Faceplater: Sold
Technomic: Sold
Cyclone: Available 
Shifters: Sold
Clamps: Available 
On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 3:52:27 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> A few more things for sale: 
>
> [image: IMG_1602.JPG]
>
> *Shimano SL-BS50 shift levers — $50*
> A set of Shimano bar end shifters, model SL-BS50. They index with seven 
> clicks implying (do I have this right?) they have eight positions and will 
> index to eight speeds. They can also be used in friction mode, I'm unsure 
> how many speeds they will swing in friction. Standard Shimano mounting 
> pods. Could be used with your Silver or Simplex levers. 
>
> [image: 230530 Clamp 02 S.jpg]
>
> [image: 230530 Clamp 01 S.jpg]
>
> *British brass clamps — $15/set *
> These were originally manufactured for fuel lines on British race cars. 
> They also work as handsome clamps on non-aero cable housing. A have two 
> spare sets available. 
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 2:41:14 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Nexave: Sold
>> Faceplater: Pending
>> Technomic: Available
>> Cyclone: Available 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:24:42 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> *IMpoRTant dEtaiLS!! *
>>> Clamp diameter on the Face-plater is 25.4 
>>> Clamp diameter on the Technomic is 26.0 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
>>>> A few things for sale, please email me to purchase. Prices do not 
>>>> include shipping. Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_1592.JPG]
>>>> [image: IMG_1593.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> *Nitto Face-Plater stem, 11cm — $85*
>>>> Used for less than a year, made by Nitto in Japan. Purchased new from 
>>>> Rivendell. With a 225mm quill. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_1596.JPG]
>>>> [image: IMG_1597.JPG]
>>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 12.12.33 PM.png]
>>>>
>>>> *Shimano T400 Nexave — $150 *
>>>> Brand new, in the bag, never mounted. Rapid rise, long cage. Large 
>>>> upper pulley. Sorry for the bad pictures, I don't want to take it out of 
>>>> the factory-sealed bag! Reference picture above, same model installed on 
>>>> my 
>>>> Appaloosa. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_1595.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> *Nitto Technomic long quill, 8cm — $65*
>>>> Brand new, never installed. 225mm quill, 8cm of reach.
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_1589.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> *Suntour Cyclone short cage rear mech — $25*
>>>> In beautiful shape, nice and clean. Missing the hanger-mounting bolts 
>>>> *and* the cable pinch bolts. 
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Nexave rapid rise, Nitto stems, Suntour Cyclone

[Eric Marth]

Nexave: Sold
Faceplater: Pending
Technomic: Available
Cyclone: Available 

Thanks! 
On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:24:42 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> *IMpoRTant dEtaiLS!! *
> Clamp diameter on the Face-plater is 25.4 
> Clamp diameter on the Technomic is 26.0 
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> A few things for sale, please email me to purchase. Prices do not include 
>> shipping. Thank you!
>>
>> [image: IMG_1592.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_1593.JPG]
>>
>> *Nitto Face-Plater stem, 11cm — $85*
>> Used for less than a year, made by Nitto in Japan. Purchased new from 
>> Rivendell. With a 225mm quill. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1596.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_1597.JPG]
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 12.12.33 PM.png]
>>
>> *Shimano T400 Nexave — $150 *
>> Brand new, in the bag, never mounted. Rapid rise, long cage. Large upper 
>> pulley. Sorry for the bad pictures, I don't want to take it out of the 
>> factory-sealed bag! Reference picture above, same model installed on my 
>> Appaloosa. 
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1595.JPG]
>>
>> *Nitto Technomic long quill, 8cm — $65*
>> Brand new, never installed. 225mm quill, 8cm of reach.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1589.JPG]
>>
>> *Suntour Cyclone short cage rear mech — $25*
>> In beautiful shape, nice and clean. Missing the hanger-mounting bolts 
>> *and* the cable pinch bolts. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Nexave rapid rise, Nitto stems, Suntour Cyclone

[Eric Marth]

*IMpoRTant dEtaiLS!! *
Clamp diameter on the Face-plater is 25.4 
Clamp diameter on the Technomic is 26.0 

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> A few things for sale, please email me to purchase. Prices do not include 
> shipping. Thank you!
>
> [image: IMG_1592.JPG]
> [image: IMG_1593.JPG]
>
> *Nitto Face-Plater stem, 11cm — $85*
> Used for less than a year, made by Nitto in Japan. Purchased new from 
> Rivendell. With a 225mm quill. 
>
> [image: IMG_1596.JPG]
> [image: IMG_1597.JPG]
> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 12.12.33 PM.png]
>
> *Shimano T400 Nexave — $150 *
> Brand new, in the bag, never mounted. Rapid rise, long cage. Large upper 
> pulley. Sorry for the bad pictures, I don't want to take it out of the 
> factory-sealed bag! Reference picture above, same model installed on my 
> Appaloosa. 
>
>
> [image: IMG_1595.JPG]
>
> *Nitto Technomic long quill, 8cm — $65*
> Brand new, never installed. 225mm quill, 8cm of reach.
>
> [image: IMG_1589.JPG]
>
> *Suntour Cyclone short cage rear mech — $25*
> In beautiful shape, nice and clean. Missing the hanger-mounting bolts 
> *and* the cable pinch bolts. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[Eric Marth]

That's a great looking build, Michael! Sorry about all the compounded 
mechanicals. Mama said there'd be days! 

Jock, always nice to see one of your elegant builds.

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 10:23:09 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely setup.
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 8:07 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>>
>> Yikes, MH. What an adventure. Plenty of fortitude and patience required. 
>> I rebuilt this one but not quite so exciting thankfully. Actually the 
>> trials and tribulations only make the bonds stronger, right? You now know 
>> the bike really well,,,inside and out. 
>>
>> Good on ya for sticking with it. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 5:50 PM Michael Hechmer  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
>>> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
>>> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>>>
>>> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
>>> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
>>> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
>>> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
>>> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
>>> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
>>> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
>>> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
>>> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
>>> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
>>> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
>>> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>>>
>>> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
>>> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
>>> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
>>> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
>>> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
>>> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
>>> broke loose! 
>>>
>>> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
>>> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer.  
>>> Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, where 
>>> I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was wedged 
>>>  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy Centaur 
>>> deraileur to use. Yea.
>>>
>>> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my 
>>> effort to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout 
>>> and neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a 
>>> bike shop.
>>>
>>> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
>>> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
>>> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
>>> into one functioning part!
>>>
>>> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>>>
>>> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>>>
>>> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
>>> Michael
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Eric Marth]

Congrats to everyone on snagging a Sam, very capable and fun bikes!

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:41:03 PM UTC-4 watta...@gmail.com wrote:

>  Happily secured a 54 Peri-Sam at 12:01 yesterday. I’m thinking Quill 
> rims to have tubeless as an option. Recs on dynamo hubs? I’ve had a Son hub 
> w edelux light but would entertain a cheaper hub option but will stick w 
> Edelux lights…it’s so good. 
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 6:52:32 AM UTC-7 Donzaemon wrote:
>
>> Love that color! It’s in my size too!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:42:19 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On May 15, 2024, at 3:15 PM, reeb  wrote:
>>>
>>> almost pulled the trigger but hesitant about sizing! at 80 PBH, should i 
>>> be going for the 48 or 51 for casual city rides with maybe once a month 
>>> camping treks (most likely upright bars)? 
>>>
>>>
>>> My saddle height is 70cm (PBH 81ish). Here’s what it looks like on a 51:
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
>>> [image: Rivendell - Bike Owners-4.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Eric Marth]

Great views, Chester!

WLS — Connecticut has it goin' on! 

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 5:03:50 PM UTC-4 wls...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Looks like the spring fling was a blast. I was also in CT last weekend 
> visiting friends in New Haven, but we opted for our own ride which left 
> from their house. No shortage of great trails up there it seems.
>
> [image: IMG_5053.PNG]
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:21:22 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I went up to Connecticut for the Nutmeg Spring Fling 
>>
>> [image: 240512 Nutmeg 04.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 240512 Nutmeg 06.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 240512 Nutmeg 08.jpg]
>> Ballz riding their all-blue Belriot! Such a sweet bike though cloudy and 
>> backlit here.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 50 cm Roadini

[Eric Marth]

Oh and good luck with your search!

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:32:19 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Leah I am excited to hear this because I've been so curious about your 
> strength and speed. If you can keep up with the 17-18mph group on your 
> Platy I'd think you'd be faster than the fast groups on a road bike!
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 50 cm Roadini

[Eric Marth]

Leah I am excited to hear this because I've been so curious about your 
strength and speed. If you can keep up with the 17-18mph group on your 
Platy I'd think you'd be faster than the fast groups on a road bike!

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[RBW] Susie/Gus seat tube OD

[Eric Marth]

Hey all — Can someone please share the OD of the Gus / Susie seat tubes? I 
am bending a custom tag for a friend, he doesn't have the bike with him, 
we'd like to know the OD. 

Thanks!
Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Eric Marth]

Phew Stephen enjoy it out there! Looks great, you're going to get strong

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 3:37:15 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> [image: IMG_6708.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6722.jpg][image: IMG_6716.jpg]
>
> A few quick shots from my first week back in the bay area. Getting 
> reacquainted with these hills, steeper than I remember haha.
>
> Stephen in Marin for the summer
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:33:16 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Nice shots. Please present us with some pictures of your trip riding in 
>> Wales! 
>>
>> John
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:07:16 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_8915.jpg]
>>>
>>> My Appaloosa in repose on an absolutely glorious Sunday in Dublin, this 
>>> spot is a mere 7km from my house but about 300meters of climbing, I was 
>>> sweatin'. Doing as much riding as possible on this bike in preparation for 
>>> a long weekend in Wales coming up.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Photos from last weekend's overnighter

[Eric Marth]

Wow, the sky

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 4:44:38 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Beautiful! It never fails that I miss Japan so after seeing your photos. I 
> really love the one of your Hunq among the stars.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 5:51:56 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Awesome shots. What size tires were you running?
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 1:02:49 PM UTC-6 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> That's just perfect. Thanks for sharing. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 12:34:35 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 Fantastic shots Takashi! I especially like the Starlight shot.

 John
 Portland OR

 On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 7:26:07 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:

> Here are some photos from last weekend's overnighter.
> I rode almost same route last year and two years ago, so I didn't take 
> many photos.
>
> Hunqapillar loaded up.
> For this load, I think TourSacks (rear panniers) would have worked 
> better.
> [image: ov1.jpg]
>
> Momosuke Bridge:
> [image: ov2.jpg]
>
> Short ramble around the campsite:
> [image: ov3.jpg]
>
> [image: ov4.jpg]
>
> Obligatory starlight shot:
> [image: ov5.jpg]
>
> The vertical line is an airplane which happened to fly over me:
> [image: ov6.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[Eric Marth]

Paul has neglected to share the beautiful patina that his bronze headbadge 
has acquired. Trust me, it's really good! 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 2:00:12 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> here's mine--a 67cm waterford i've had since 2011, and had repainted in 
> wisconsin last year (just in time!).  it's the best bike in the world.  
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Eric M.'s new video: Shop tour, favorite workshops, tool organization and my next bicycle build

[Eric Marth]

JohnS: Thanks for the pics, nice looking Bolt there, love all the brown. 
How's the Swift? Or is that a Swallow? I need a brown saddle for my 
Hillborne and like the fit of the black Brooks Pro I have. Love the shop 
and the grainy photos! That's the stuff. Thanks for sharing. 

George: Well that's a beautiful level you have there, are you sure you want 
to go through the trouble of sending it my way? Have you checked it for 
accuracy? Sometimes those old spirit levels can have problems with the 
vials and bubbles. I have a full set of Stabila levels so I am equipped 
though that old Stanley sure is handsome... 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:50:22 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Eric - since you have a fascination with old tools that kind of have class 
> or character, would you be interested in this very old *wooden* carpenter's 
> level?  I believe that it belonged to my great uncle who was a physician, 
> not a tradesman, but someone who used to like working with wood and doing a 
> lot of things by himself as an amateur handyman.  On the metal parts it 
> says "Stanley rule and level."  There are no inch markings anyplace, but 
> the dimensions are suspiciously identical to what a carpenter would use for 
> measuring typical construction widths and lengths: it's 2 ft. long x 3.125" 
> wide x 1.325" thick.  It can be yours for the asking if you're interested.  
> I'm trying to get rid of as much of my stash of stuff as possible as I head 
> into the mid-70's.
>
> [image: DSCN1050.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:47:48 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> JohnS: I clicked the link and got a 404. Would love to see the Bolt, 
>> those are really sweet bikes. 
>>
>> Steve: Thanks, bud! Rob Gassie removed the bottom bracket, he's the frame 
>> builder who stripped and painted the bike for me. He said he put the frame 
>> in his alignment table (really big fixture, lots of clamps, allowed for 
>> maximum torque) and was able to bust it loose. I don't know the origins of 
>> my Sam but there were many details about the build that leave me thinking 
>> it was not originally assembled very carefully. 
>>
>> Roberta: Thank you for watching! Garden's looking even better now, just a 
>> few weeks later. Though I noticed yesterday a groundhog ate one of my 
>> coleus plants. 
>>
>> George: Thank you thank you. The glasses are a P3 shape but I didn't 
>> think the lenses were particularly thick? I think of pop bottle glasses as 
>> having the effect of looking through the bottom of an old glass Coca-Cola 
>> bottle... I still wear glasses, wearing them right now. My hair's naturally 
>> pretty dark but I haven't had a haircut since Nov 2022 and I spend a lot of 
>> time in the sun so it's lighter from exposure.  
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-4 george schick wrote:
>>
>>> Eric - an excellent filming of your workshop and exterior plantings.  
>>> What a nice place to live and do your work.  I was reminded, though, of a 
>>> similar but not quite as professional episode as this one from several 
>>> years ago where you were doing a rebuild of a mixte that your "partner's" 
>>> parents gave her - some Japanese manufacturer, I think.  I recognized that 
>>> the scenes of your shop are the same as your current video, but it's a 
>>> "different Eric Marth!"  Pop bottle glasses, dark hair, etc.  What happened?
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 10:00:47 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for watchin'! 
>>>>
>>>> Marty: The Match Game was before my time but I certainly came up with 
>>>> Bob Barker. The $20 corded mic I bought just didn't seem right clipped to 
>>>> my shirt so I went for the long mic. 
>>>>
>>>> Patrick: I appreciate the kind notes. Sorry about the SW gardening 
>>>> woes, I know nothing of gardening in that clime. I've had my own troubles 
>>>> here! I was in a different house about 10 years ago and the garden was a 
>>>> lot of work but it was abundant and without many difficulties. The soil 
>>>> and 
>>>> sun are different in this spot and growing has taken a lot of trial and 
>>>> error. I'm finally getting the hang of things. A groundhog just showed up 
>>>> on the scene, I saw them (unsure if it's a male or female) heartily eating 
>>>> some lettuce while sitting in the raised bed earlier this week! It's 
>>>> fenced 
>>>> off but they found a way in. I have to admit it was kind of cute, holding 
>>>> a 
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Eric M.'s new video: Shop tour, favorite workshops, tool organization and my next bicycle build

[Eric Marth]

JohnS: I clicked the link and got a 404. Would love to see the Bolt, those 
are really sweet bikes. 

Steve: Thanks, bud! Rob Gassie removed the bottom bracket, he's the frame 
builder who stripped and painted the bike for me. He said he put the frame 
in his alignment table (really big fixture, lots of clamps, allowed for 
maximum torque) and was able to bust it loose. I don't know the origins of 
my Sam but there were many details about the build that leave me thinking 
it was not originally assembled very carefully. 

Roberta: Thank you for watching! Garden's looking even better now, just a 
few weeks later. Though I noticed yesterday a groundhog ate one of my 
coleus plants. 

George: Thank you thank you. The glasses are a P3 shape but I didn't think 
the lenses were particularly thick? I think of pop bottle glasses as having 
the effect of looking through the bottom of an old glass Coca-Cola 
bottle... I still wear glasses, wearing them right now. My hair's naturally 
pretty dark but I haven't had a haircut since Nov 2022 and I spend a lot of 
time in the sun so it's lighter from exposure.  

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-4 george schick wrote:

> Eric - an excellent filming of your workshop and exterior plantings.  What 
> a nice place to live and do your work.  I was reminded, though, of a 
> similar but not quite as professional episode as this one from several 
> years ago where you were doing a rebuild of a mixte that your "partner's" 
> parents gave her - some Japanese manufacturer, I think.  I recognized that 
> the scenes of your shop are the same as your current video, but it's a 
> "different Eric Marth!"  Pop bottle glasses, dark hair, etc.  What happened?
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 10:00:47 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for watchin'! 
>>
>> Marty: The Match Game was before my time but I certainly came up with Bob 
>> Barker. The $20 corded mic I bought just didn't seem right clipped to my 
>> shirt so I went for the long mic. 
>>
>> Patrick: I appreciate the kind notes. Sorry about the SW gardening woes, 
>> I know nothing of gardening in that clime. I've had my own troubles here! I 
>> was in a different house about 10 years ago and the garden was a lot of 
>> work but it was abundant and without many difficulties. The soil and sun 
>> are different in this spot and growing has taken a lot of trial and error. 
>> I'm finally getting the hang of things. A groundhog just showed up on the 
>> scene, I saw them (unsure if it's a male or female) heartily eating some 
>> lettuce while sitting in the raised bed earlier this week! It's fenced off 
>> but they found a way in. I have to admit it was kind of cute, holding a 
>> huge piece of lettuce, but it still left me cursing. I'm glad you like the 
>> tools!
>>
>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and I forwarded the video link to Jeremiah; he will appreciate it.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug Build Catalog

[Eric Marth]

Great point about size, Jason. It really helps to visualize the proportions 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:46:05 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> There is truly no equal to Blue Lug. As Eric said, the combination of 
> perfectly curated builds combined with excellent photography and an eye for 
> getting the best angles. A lot of great shops out there, but BL are on 
> their own level. 
>
> I also really appreciate how they note the frame size for each build - I 
> think we all want to see what bikes look like in our size when being 
> inspired. 
>
> On Saturday 4 May 2024 at 14:54:26 UTC-7 r.ha...@live.com wrote:
>
>> I too have this bookmarked and my Clem L is heavily influenced by them. 
>> Also a great website to order from. Turnaround is super quick and you get a 
>> bunch of stickers
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 3:13:45 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Oh yeah, this is a gallery I have bookmarked. So many great builds and 
>>> lots and lots of inspiration. They always nail it, great ideas abound! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Many of you may already be aware of this, but Blue Lug has a nice 
 catalog of all it's Riv Builds for customers. In the even you want some 
 inspiration for your next build, or just want to see some different takes 
 on each frame, have a look:

 https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/model/rivendell-bicycle-works/

 If you click the dropdown in the top right corner and scroll down to 
 the Riv section you can even filter for specific models. Been super 
 helpful 
 as I accrue the things needed for my upcoming 56cm 2TT Sam I scored from 
 Abe on here.

 Hopefully helpful for folks looking to build out that next frame or 
 rebuild your old favorite!

 - Drew



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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Eric Marth]

Nice photos, Nicholas! I rarely see an Appaloosa or Atlantis with drops, 
tell us how you like it! It looks like a nice setup all around
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 5:07:49 AM UTC-4 Nicholas A wrote:

> Then, to demonstrate the fickle nature of Irish weather, the very next 
> morning on the other side of this hill still great to get out for a 
> solid 50kms. Once you get this bike rolling there's no stopping it, I 
> overtook a good few
> groups of roadies on the climbs which is very gratifying in a smug sort of 
> way.
>
> [image: IMG_8929.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday 7 May 2024 at 10:07:16 UTC+1 Nicholas A wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_8915.jpg]
>>
>> My Appaloosa in repose on an absolutely glorious Sunday in Dublin, this 
>> spot is a mere 7km from my house but about 300meters of climbing, I was 
>> sweatin'. Doing as much riding as possible on this bike in preparation for 
>> a long weekend in Wales coming up.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Eric M.'s new video: Shop tour, favorite workshops, tool organization and my next bicycle build

[Eric Marth]

Thanks everyone for watchin'! 

Marty: The Match Game was before my time but I certainly came up with Bob 
Barker. The $20 corded mic I bought just didn't seem right clipped to my 
shirt so I went for the long mic. 

Patrick: I appreciate the kind notes. Sorry about the SW gardening woes, I 
know nothing of gardening in that clime. I've had my own troubles here! I 
was in a different house about 10 years ago and the garden was a lot of 
work but it was abundant and without many difficulties. The soil and sun 
are different in this spot and growing has taken a lot of trial and error. 
I'm finally getting the hang of things. A groundhog just showed up on the 
scene, I saw them (unsure if it's a male or female) heartily eating some 
lettuce while sitting in the raised bed earlier this week! It's fenced off 
but they found a way in. I have to admit it was kind of cute, holding a 
huge piece of lettuce, but it still left me cursing. I'm glad you like the 
tools!

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, and I forwarded the video link to Jeremiah; he will appreciate it.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Eric Marth]

Kim: I don't see how the administrator of this forum has any bearing on 
someone's Facebook post. The scam is potentially occurring via Facebook, 
not our forum. You reposted the FB listing here with a link. 

Regarding the Blue Lug purchase, how on earth were you "scammed" by Blue 
Lug? They are one of the best bike shops in the universe and I'm sure they 
would correct any mistake or problem with your purchase. I dislike like the 
implication that Blue Lug would scam anyone. 

Regarding scams and buying/selling: If anything about the listing or your 
interactions with a seller makes you uncomfortable or sets off *any* alarms 
just drop the exchange and walk away. It's easy! If it's too good to be 
true, it probably is. Although sometimes you have to know when to snag a 
deal like when someone posts a Nitto S83 seatpost for $30. Sellers should 
be happy and eager to share photos or details about frames or bikes for 
sale. 

Here on the forum it's easy to check someone's history simply by searching 
their email address and reviewing their past posts to see if they 
participate in discussions, buy and sell goods and you can get a sense of 
how long they've been part of the community. All common sense stuff. 

Also — Don't end up handing $50,000 in cash to a stranger on the street! 
https://www.thecut.com/article/amazon-scam-call-ftc-arrest-warrants.html

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 8:00:50 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I concur. I sent this scammer Leah's way unknowingly. Stay away from this 
> person. In this case his "cousin" just bought a Homer and so was selling 
> his Roadini. He must troll this group for want to buy posts and pounces.  
> Karma is a concept of action, work, or deed, and its effect or 
> consequences. Here's hoping that a little karma is heading his way.
> Doug
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 7:55:23 AM UTC-4 Andrew Joseph wrote:
>
>> Bad experience with Jeff and the “seller,” he directed me to with a Homer 
>> as well!
>>
>> I posted that I want to buy a Mustard frameset.  
>> Jeff directed me to his friend, and it went very badly from there. 
>>  Fortunately, I sent no payment.
>>
>> I also reported this to Admin.  
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 3, 2024, at 5:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
>> wrote:
>>
>> That Jeff McCathern guy tried to sell me a Roadini. He’s a scammer. I 
>> wasn’t brave enough to say so publicly, but I will now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 6:25:52 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Kim, the link takes us directly to a blue lug page. How did you get 
>>> scammed?  
>>>
>>> BTW, I’ve gotten scammed too — with eBay. I will never not buy directly 
>>> from the seller. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 12:29:57 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Brenton-
 I am sorry to hear and see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was 
 not so.

 The administrator for this RBWOB group is Jim - cyclo...@gmail.com
 Your message may take a day or two for him to respond. I hope he can 
 help you.

 My regards,
 Kim Hetzel.
 I got scammed too last year over these - 
 https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/27109/s/rew10-works-hex-brass-valve-cap/category/1321/
   
 last year.

 On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> The more I think about this the more fired up I get. I've had so many 
> pleasant exchanges here, both transactional and non-transactional, that I 
> feel protective of this group. If no scam is happening, no one will be 
> bummed on me sharing out a phone number and email. 
>
> I was direct messaged from 'Jeff McCathern' via *jeff00m...@gmail.com* 
> who said they were friends with a seller named "Leonard" and I gave my 
> phone number to that emailer.
>
> The text message correspondence was with phone number *424-269-2563 
> <(424)%20269-2563>* which got super cryptic and scammy. When they 
> told me the bike was in LA, I said I would happily have a friend (I have 
> lots of friends in LA, some are in this group!) meet up to buy the bike, 
> they accused me of being cautious and suggested a deposit.
>
> Not sure who the admins of this group are, but everything about this 
> says *scam*. I would love to be wrong.
>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:48:01 PM UTC-7 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>
>> Hi. I've been searching for a blue homer in 54.5 for my wife and in 
>> my ISO post I was linked to this facebook listing:
>>
>> " @Brenton -
>> If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
>> Homer under the owner's name of 
>> *Payton Beargrr* 
>> 

[RBW] Re: Blue Lug Build Catalog

[Eric Marth]

If you're wondering "How do I tastefully build and specify a bike?" this is 
the *perfect* place to start. They also do a great job with the 
photographs, some of the best out there. 

On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 3:13:45 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Oh yeah, this is a gallery I have bookmarked. So many great builds and 
> lots and lots of inspiration. They always nail it, great ideas abound! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Many of you may already be aware of this, but Blue Lug has a nice catalog 
>> of all it's Riv Builds for customers. In the even you want some inspiration 
>> for your next build, or just want to see some different takes on each 
>> frame, have a look:
>>
>> https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/model/rivendell-bicycle-works/
>>
>> If you click the dropdown in the top right corner and scroll down to the 
>> Riv section you can even filter for specific models. Been super helpful as 
>> I accrue the things needed for my upcoming 56cm 2TT Sam I scored from Abe 
>> on here.
>>
>> Hopefully helpful for folks looking to build out that next frame or 
>> rebuild your old favorite!
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug Build Catalog

[Eric Marth]

Oh yeah, this is a gallery I have bookmarked. So many great builds and lots 
and lots of inspiration. They always nail it, great ideas abound! 

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Many of you may already be aware of this, but Blue Lug has a nice catalog 
> of all it's Riv Builds for customers. In the even you want some inspiration 
> for your next build, or just want to see some different takes on each 
> frame, have a look:
>
> https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/model/rivendell-bicycle-works/
>
> If you click the dropdown in the top right corner and scroll down to the 
> Riv section you can even filter for specific models. Been super helpful as 
> I accrue the things needed for my upcoming 56cm 2TT Sam I scored from Abe 
> on here.
>
> Hopefully helpful for folks looking to build out that next frame or 
> rebuild your old favorite!
>
> - Drew
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Eric M.'s new video: Shop tour, favorite workshops, tool organization and my next bicycle build

[Eric Marth]

Wow, thanks for the kind words, Jim! Always a pleasure, sorry this one's so 
long. The uncut version was like 2 hours. 

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:32:09 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> So good, a pleasure to watch. Thanks for the great work, Eric! 
>
> Check it out here:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMf-7Kq-g8k
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Jimmy's Hunq!!1

[Eric Marth]

Well it's a total jaw-dropper, well done, bravo, enjoy the ride! 

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Thanks Eric and Jim! Will's blog post was the first I saw of the full 
> paint job and the build. Up to yesterday afternoon I had only seen a few 
> low res teaser images, so I've been soaking in Will's fantastic photos. I'm 
> blown away by the care and detail of Rick's paint job. I had told Rick that 
> I hope he has fun with the bike, and it feels like he did. And Antonio did 
> such a clean, lovely build. Thanks Antonio! I can't wait to see the bike in 
> person. And to ride it!
>
> @Jim, the blue ring around the pump peg really got me, too, as did the 
> lining around the top and bottom of the head tube and the little circle 
> cutouts in the fork crown. Incredible detail and beyond what I was 
> expecting.
>
> @Eric, thanks for the kind words. I can see the deep rusty pink tones now 
> that you mention it. Like I said in the writeup, copper is super tricky. 
> There are so many colors posing as copper! You've got a great eye about 
> the lime green Newbaum's with amber shellac. I went back and forth on 
> tape and Will urged the lime. I'm stoked about how it turned out. 
>
> This project has been a long time in the making. Everyone I worked with, 
> directly and indirectly — Rick on the paint, Rich on the wheels, Will and 
> the entire Rivendell crew on everything else — was super welcoming, 
> accessible, and engaging. And they made the entire process a lot of fun, 
> which above all is what bikes should be about as far as I'm concerned. 
>
> Jim
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 1:55:46 PM UTC-4 Jim in Mpls wrote:
>
>> The blue ring around the pump peg really pushed me over the edge! Amazing 
>> detailing!
>> Jim
>>
>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:26:50 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Oh me. Oh my. Wowee wee wow wow! The Hunq from this week's email update 
>>> is a real stunner. Will's photos, as usual, really bring it to life. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jimmys-hunqapillar?mc_cid=a24d941b71_eid=592b20cfa2
>>>
>>> [image: jimmyshunq-1_1400x copy.png]
>>>
>>> Many of you know that I'm a fan of patinated copper and brass. Even so 
>>> the colors didn't register to me as being from the family of weathered 
>>> brass, copper or bronze. It looks like a deep rusty pink to my eye. I love 
>>> it all the same! From Jimmy's description it sounds like he and painted 
>>> Rick at D went back and forth to divine a great paint selection. Well 
>>> done, I must say. 
>>>
>>> The blue cable housing and lug lines, the bar tape. An awesome blend of 
>>> XTR. I'd wager that's the lime green Newbaum's with amber shellac, a bold 
>>> choice indeed that achieves a nice bronzed olive. Beautiful all around. 
>>> This bike looks like a blast. 
>>>
>>> [image: jimmyshunq-12_1400x copy.png]
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: Wooly Warm sleeveless merino tank

[Eric Marth]

Hello friends — Cross-posted wool search happenin here and on iBob :0)  

I have an older Wooly Warm sleeveless tank that I purchased used and I 
really like it. If you have one in size large or extra-large that you're 
willing to part with please drop me a note and let me know your price 
shipped to 22401. Color, condition and/or a picture would be helpful as 
well. 

Thanks! 
Eric in Virginia 

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

[Eric Marth]

Beautiful pics and badass ride as per your usual, Jason! Thanks for 
sharing, that's one I'd love to have joined you for. 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 10:27:58 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Love your photos, as always… made even better with descriptive ride 
> reports!
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 10:07 AM, John  wrote:
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> Thanks for sharing! Your Bombadil looks good out there haulin'. I would 
> absolutely love to get myself and a bike out to Vancouver island someday.
>
> John in Minnesota
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Eric Marth]

This is a sweet build! I'd like to get one of those White Industries / 
Sugino cranks some day. 

Is there any write-up or an ancient email about the idea behind the frame 
design? Will's Massive Mountain Mixte. Do we have an oral history at least? 

Are you gonna wire up a dynamo back up in the future? 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
> knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
>> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
 Love it!!!

 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
 wrote:

> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 
> Happy shredding!
> -Kai
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Couple more:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as 
>>> I settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>
>>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
>>> mixte 
>>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help 
>>> myself. 
>>>
>>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city 
>>> scuzz 
>>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
>>> what 
>>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>>> cables.. 
>>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
>>> couple 
>>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
>>> clamp 
>>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
>>> the 
>>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
>>> working. 
>>>
>>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>>
>>> Build notes:
>>> 60cm Tosco's
>>> old ass oury grips
>>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>>> nitto 11cm talux
>>> stock fsa headset
>>> stock kalloy seatpost
>>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>>> XT 11-34 cassette
>>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Eric Marth]

I love that desert vegetation, John 

On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:57:07 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Wowza! Beautiful tulips and very lovely Hillborne!
>
> In stark contrast to tulips in the East, here's a couple from the Sonoran 
> desert earlier in the week. While not really the feature of the photos, the 
> Atlantis is present.
> [image: IMG_2964.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_2966.jpeg]
>
> Cheers, John
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB - 9spd Dura Ace downtube shifters

[Eric Marth]

Paul — Is Greg trying to bling his Roadini? 

On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 12:22:38 PM UTC-4 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't have any for sale but I can confirm they are worth the $$. 
> Beautiful component with a satisfying click in index mode and if your bike 
> has a light-ish downtube you can even hear the 'ping' resonate the frame a 
> little bit. At least that's what I think I'm hearing on my waterford homer 
> I have a set on.
>
> I too wish i had the matching long cage derailleur. 
>
> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-5 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I bought a NOS set from Alex Cycles in Japan a couple years ago. Paid 
>> $90. The set they replaced was installed in 2002 and were a bit loose. So, 
>> they last about 20-years.
>> I wish I had the matching derailleur. 
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2024, at 7:50 AM, John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>> Who among us has used Dura-Ace 9-speed dt levers long enough to ‘wear 
>> them out’? 
>>
>> And if so, how long? 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 2:28 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 2:48:19 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Also, you can get brand new 9sp bar cons from Rivendell at $140, and 
>> elsewhere for a few dollars less.  Some people run bar cons on their down 
>> tube shifter bosses, and they work long fine.
>>
>>
>>>  FYI, Grant tells me that he thinks Shimano has stopped making the 9sp 
>>> bar-end shifters "after 25 or 26 years of making them". Get 'em while you 
>>> can, and expect the price to get eye-watering. 
>>>
>>> And, yes, you can run them on the down tube. Interesting bit of RBW 
>>> history ... I pointed this out to Grant a long time ago, and that the 
>>> opposite was true, that downtube shifters could be mounted on Shimano 
>>> bar-end pods. And thus were born the Silver 1 bar-end shifters.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Eric Marth]

Great post and run-down, Dan! The Appaloosa is lookin' good. 

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:29:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> I also love this post!
>
> I was in C Cycle, home of the Bassi and noticed the Bloomfield.  That 
> caught me eye in your write up so I thought I would mention.
>
> That purple is amazing.  Enjoy!
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new bike. 
>> It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 
>>
>> mike in austin tx
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. 
>>> I’ve gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this forum, 
>>> so it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>>>
>>>
>>> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called 
>>> Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein 
>>> in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and that 
>>> they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read about 
>>> the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw was 
>>> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell fan 
>>> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
>>> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what I 
>>> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
>>> reality.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little bit 
>>> about the other bikes in my stable…
>>>
>>>
>>> *Surly Straggler*
>>>
>>> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any 
>>> research on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all 
>>> bike, one that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding 
>>> anywhere and everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all 
>>> my expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
>>> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, 
>>> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
>>> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
>>> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It does 
>>> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers I 
>>> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, though 
>>> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
>>> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
>>> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought this 
>>> bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>>>
>>> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have more 
>>> than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry Barentsen 
>>> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
>>> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could get 
>>> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
>>> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head tube 
>>> graphic sold me instantly!
>>>
>>> This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - the 
>>> wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with me. 
>>> It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so 
>>> practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike that 
>>> non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to 
>>> ride upright.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8340.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> *Why Appaloosa?*
>>>
>>> Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun to the 
>>> explore the range of hills that flank Kaurna country / the Adelaide plains. 
>>> I like riding from my door, winding through the suburbs to a trail head, 
>>> then climbing and exploring the trails, going a little further each time. I 
>>> wanted a bike that would be fun to ride on the road but more comfortable 
>>> and capable off it than my other bikes. In short, I wanted a touring bike, 
>>> and the Appaloosa seemed like it. I liked that the 2.2” tyres looked like a 
>>> balance of speed and comfort, and the long chainstays promised to smooth 
>>> out bumps and make hair-raising off-road descents more palatable. Spoiler 
>>> alert: both of these things were true!
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll spare you the story of sourcing the frame. I’ll only say that I 
>>> initially hesitated on the purple colour, which in hindsight was absolutely 
>>> ridiculous. Purple is my favourite colour and THIS purple is amazing. It’s 
>>> perfect.
>>>
>>>
>>> *First Impressions*
>>>
>>> I picked up the Appaloosa on Thursday after my bike shop kindly 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Eric Marth]

That Reston Homer is nicely appointed and a good deal for someone right for 
a 47cm!

On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I love a bargain 
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
>>> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
 Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
 this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.

 On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
> roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> wow
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heron Touring 
 55cm
 $7000
 Walled Lake, Michigan
 Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
 and full Campagnolo...

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> Roadini
> 57cm
> 2000
> Emeryville, CA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[Eric Marth]

Just wanted to stop by and say thanks to JJ for the general rapid rise 
write-up. I've already tested and made up my mind for myself but I think 
his post from Mar 20, 2024, 1:14:26 PM really does a nice job of breaking 
things down related to how these mechs work, how they might work for you, 
as well as some of the reasons we see such big differences in costs on the 
used market.

JJ knows! He's certainly owned and sold more RR derailers than any other 
forum member (that I'm aware of). 

On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 2:04:59 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks all for your clarifications! Agree with the comments regarding the 
> reliability of shimano components - I've usually had little reason to move 
> on from my Altus/Acera RD except durability of the pulleys on the Acera 
> perhaps. Shifted very well every time.
>
> I have received a nice RD from a rbw member - thank you :)
> chintan
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 23:04, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> My only rapid rise - a beautiful Nexave courtesy of JJ - has made me a 
>> big fan. In particular, I am quite happy with my non rapid rise Deore unit 
>> on my Clem which gets lots of flatlander miles. But my Gus gets the 
>> singletrack hills. This is where the Nexave has one huge benefit. It takes 
>> zero effort to shift to an easier gear when I need it most. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 1:14 PM, J J  wrote:
>>
>> I'm 100 percent with Jock on this issue. It's hard to take the Disraeli 
>> Gears comments about the XT RD-M760 seriously, dripping as they are with 
>> dismissiveness. We've had long threads on this forum about low normal 
>> derailleurs before, and I still find the myths that circulate about Rapid 
>> Rise perplexing. For example, the myths that Rapid Rise performs "worse" 
>> than high normal, or it's harder to set up or index, or that (per the 
>> Disraeli Gears comments) it's somehow more prone to rust than other 
>> derailleurs in the same general series, like the XT M750,  built with the 
>> same material.
>>
>> The reason I favor RR comes down to a shifting logic that works better 
>> for my brain and motor coordination than high normal. I shift in friction 
>> mode on all my bikes, which all have low normal rear ders. I like that I 
>> can move both levers in the same direction to get to higher/harder or 
>> lower/easier gears instead of moving oppositely. That's about it. I do 
>> think there are a few other benefits of RR: if my shift cable broke, the RR 
>> spring will push the derailleur to the easiest gear instead of the hardest, 
>> thus avoiding a potential high-gear slog home. But how often do cables 
>> break? RR also seems to shift more easily to lower/easier gears under load. 
>> But maybe this is a misattribution. Maybe I've simply gotten better about 
>> timing my shifts and floating the pedals. 
>>
>> It does not mean that I have *trouble* with high normal shifting! To the 
>> contrary, high normal is just fine. Low normal is just a preference. What 
>> works great for Rapid Rise adherents won't necessarily work great for 
>> anyone else. Once you try RR, the possible outcomes will be that you like 
>> it, you hate it, or that you're more or less neutral about it. (You will 
>> also realize that one way or another, it is not earth shattering or life 
>> changing, nor will it make you a more skilled and faster rider). 
>>
>> Any shifts I have missed or bungled are totally attributable to user 
>> error, to my timing or judgement, and not anything inherent to a high 
>> normal vs. low normal modality.
>>
>> Finally, all Rapid Rise rear ders I have tried, from the humble end to 
>> the fancy XTRs, work beautifully. The differences between them are 
>> refinement level, materials, weight, looks, aesthetics, and so on, just 
>> like every other Shimano product categories that are stratified by price 
>> point.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 10:38:41 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> @ http://disraeligears.co.uk/…well I suppose if you pedal around in a 
>>> saltwater bath, like some of those unfortunate souls…that might happen. 
>>>
>>> For those us who ride under sunny skies now and again—and take care of 
>>> stuff properly—I can tell you that after years and years of working those 
>>> mechs, never a mixed-up shift that wasn’t my doing and not even a 
>>> microscopic spot of corrosion to be found anywhere. 
>>>
>>> Total hooey I say. And I’ve got the goods to prove it 浪
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:15 PM Chintan Jadwani  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Another question - from a couple of reviews here people seem 
 indifference of the performance between low vs high normal. But online 
 elsewhwre, there seems to be strong dislike for low normal - why is that? 

 For example - disraeligears.co.uk writes for the xt m760

 "The Shimano Deore XT (M760) is my absolutely least favourite Deore XT 
 variant. It has cheap (rust prone) detailing, unnecessary 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[Eric Marth]

Just wanted to pop in and say that if you're an eBay whiz and patient you 
can find rapid risers for not too much money. I've found two of the very 
nice Nexave T400s, both new, never used, for less than $30 each. There was 
a seller on eBay sometime in 2023 who listed a bunch of the T400s and 
another model of the Nexave for $25-$30 each, they were all new-old-stock. 

That said the XTR stuff always seems to run on the expensive side, rapid 
rise or otherwise. The LX and XT rapid risers are out there and a little 
cheaper. Another tip: if you can learn to visually ID a low-normal cage 
sometimes you can find derailers that are not listed as rapid rise by the 
seller and snag them for not as much money. 

Definitely agree with Johnny and Bill that Riv riders and readers and board 
members *and* Rivendell employees have been driving demand and therefore 
price. If Rivendell releases their own version and it lands in the $200 
range I don't see that cooling the secondary market. 
On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 10:15:13 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another question - from a couple of reviews here people seem indifference 
> of the performance between low vs high normal. But online elsewhwre, there 
> seems to be strong dislike for low normal - why is that? 
>
> For example - disraeligears.co.uk writes for the xt m760
>
> "The Shimano Deore XT (M760) is my absolutely least favourite Deore XT 
> variant. It has cheap (rust prone) detailing, unnecessary styling and, 
> worst of all, it’s low normal. not your obvious choice for slogging your 
> way through the mud and grime of a British winter. Bring back stainless 
> steel small parts, polished finishes and top normal operating logic."
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar, 2024, 5:07 am John Dewey,  wrote:
>
>> And the Rivendell ‘fan base’ is a subset of another and another so as to 
>> be mostly inconsequential. We do count, however and a few brave souls do 
>> sort-of OK serving us. 
>>
>> Nevertheless, most of us (even here in RBW’s backyard) seldom cross paths 
>> with cyclists with whom we have anything in common other than two wheels. 
>> We’re already a bit abnormal and ‘low-normal’ makes us even more so. 
>>
>> Jock (and his fleet of abnormal low-normals)
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:41 AM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have to think that most of the market for these is from the Rivendell 
>>> fan base. I don't hear any other bike group talking about them at all. 
>>> Because of that I kind of think IF Riv ends up bringing their new one to 
>>> market the used scene will come WAY down. Just a theory. I really hope that 
>>> I can test the theory (because they successfully release it)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the replies :) Now that I know of the RR, every time 
 I am on an uphill and I have to push the gear to climb higher on the 
 cassette I feel some justification for having a "low-normal" derailleur. 

 Thanks also for clarifying that any of these will work well.

 The RR will also hypothetically make life a little easier in 
 introducing a friend to front and rear shifting- why does the same action 
 push the bike to a higher gear in the front and lower gear in the rear (I 
 forget too..)

 On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 20:58, Miles Payton  wrote:

> I got a used XTR M951 long cage derailleur for a song on ebay a few 
> months ago. Maybe there's not much demand? The seller gave me a half off 
> offer so I couldn't refuse. Anyway it works great and it appears they're 
> usually $50-80 depending on the condition. Not bad for what was once a 
> top-of-the-line derailleur. I'd just avoid the NOS stuff because that's 
> where you start spending $200 or more. 
> I've been plenty happy with mine. It's paired to Gevenalle 10 speed 
> shifters on my Atlantis. I can't speak to replacement parts but it 
> wouldn't 
> be expensive to replace, and my old M900 hasn't needed more than a 
> rebuild 
> in 20 years. They're pretty well-made.
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60 
>> ideally.
>>
>> Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs 
>> that one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were 
>> there 
>> differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where 
>> replacements are available?
>>
>> I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952 
>> around that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the 
>> prices rise very quickly! 
>>
>> Thanks a lot for guiding :)
>> Chintan
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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Eric Marth]

Oh and Bill too! Bill, I saw you heading to the expo on Sunday morning 
while I was having a coffee at Habitat, didn't want to shout at you though. 
Nice Atlantis!

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 9:50:05 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> I had a nice visit at PBE. It was great to meet Pam, Leah, Roberta and Tim 
> from here on the board! 
>
> Thanks to Tim for the Saturday night convoy to Keystone, riding bikes in 
> the woods with a train of dynamos is really something. 
>
> Here's one with the fellas from Riv and Paul R. 
>
> [image: 240313 PBE 06.jpg]
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> How about an informal meet at the Riv booth right after the show opens?  
>>
>> I'll be sporting a black Green Guru backpack (made with inner tubes) with 
>> a Riv triangle.  I have white hair.
>>
>> I hope to see old friends and meet new ones!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:11:09 PM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There’s more where that came from, I can send them more easily via text. 
>>> This is more or less its current configuration[image: IMG_0031]
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:05 PM, Bryce Lackey  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> <00m0m_3DD3lNnQboh_1320MM_600x450.jpg>
>>> XL Rivendell Sam Hillborne Frameset W Extras - bicycles - by owner - 
>>> bike sale - craigslist 
>>> <https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/philadelphia-xl-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7723301405.html>
>>> philadelphia.craigslist.org 
>>> <https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/philadelphia-xl-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7723301405.html>
>>>
>>> <https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/philadelphia-xl-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7723301405.html>
>>>
>>> Here’s the ad. A couple pictures demonstrating the frame condition and 
>>> one of it all built up. 
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 12:18 PM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I know a guy who would love that . . . not me.  Do you have pics or a 
>>> link to the CL ad?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:30:46 AM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> For anyone extra tall coming in from out of town, I have a 62cm Sam 
>>>> listed as a frameset w crank and seat post on CL here in Philly. If you 
>>>> want to make a deal, I am open to offers and have all the fixings for a 
>>>> complete build. I'll be around doing some of the local rides as well as 
>>>> the 
>>>> Keystone afterparty. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:58:21 PM UTC-5 benjamin@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’ll see you all there! I’ve got to work Saturday but I’ll make it out 
>>>>> to the Expo on Sunday and Keystone’s partay Saturday night. My 
>>>>> three-year-old has developed a distinct preference for the Surly Cross 
>>>>> Check over the Atlantis and Clem but whatever the case we’ll roll up on 
>>>>> two 
>>>>> wheels. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but 
>>>>>> will be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If 
>>>>>> anyone needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>>>>>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roberta
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Give this guy a Like and a Subscribe

[Eric Marth]

QUALITY content! 

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:

> Glad to see he's making longer content for YouTube, as I've also been 
> following him on IG for little while now and have been enjoying his bike 
> videos. 
>
> He's got a couple very sweet Rivs and a gift for filming and editing 
> bicycle content. 
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I've been following him on Instagram. He's got a nice collection of Riv's 
>> and is constantly posting riding videos. No bike no likes right? I 
>> subscribed to the YouTube channel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:39:37 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing -- nice understated video that really is worth 
>>> watching -- makes me want to go cycle in Korea!  
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, Il 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:16:40 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 Nice video of his adventures aboard a Clem in Korea. 

 https://youtu.be/IFoDkOQjk08?si=tOa6oP0IbiZmwNRQ

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Eric Marth]

Someone better buy that Ritchey Force it's the perfect size and spiritual 
aesthetic for the Orthos. 

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-4 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:

> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a longer 
> stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I think sits 
> somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are the Ritchey 
> Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can occasionally find in 
> even longer lengths. They are steel with a single bolt—and very pretty. The 
> downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. As the poster above 
> mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp diameter stem with 
> the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't presume any 
> knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>
> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems on 
> another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are up 
> for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
> that would work for you.
>
> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>
> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>> bike with ortho bars.
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>>>
>>> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
>>> cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
>>> not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and 
>>> stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
>>> 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).
>>>
>>> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
>>> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
>>> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
>>> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>>>
>>> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
>>> based on your replies, but that does seem long!
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
 build. 
 My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
 looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
 longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
 wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
 single bolt. 


 On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:

> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>
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[RBW] Re: Video: Repairing Pam Murray's Silver shifters

[Eric Marth]

Thanks everyone for checking out the project and for the kind feedback. 

Leah, let me know if you ever need a hand with something that can easily be 
mailed out to me in Virginia :0)  I should be around mid-day on Saturday 
for PBE

On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 2:40:20 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> You are so good to your RivSisters, Eric. Thank you for fixing those 
> shifters for our Pam and for making a documentary so others can repair 
> theirs, too. You may have just outed yourself to some of us 
> less-than-mechanical types. If you start receiving packages of broken stuff 
> in the mail, well, you’ll know how that happened. 
>
> I hope I get to meet you next weekend!
> Leah 
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 2:04:15 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you Eric for sharing! All good advice. Nothing worse than a small 
>> part falling on the shop floor and spending untold time groping around 
>> looking for it.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> PS - Which bike are you bringing to the Expo?
>>
>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'm beyond amazed how great this group is to come together to fix my 
>>> broken shifters.  Thank you to Eric for taking them apart and to Mike 
>>> Godwin for the guts.  I love to repair things and get full utility out of 
>>> all components.  What a great video.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 9:35:26 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 Lovely video, Eric. Your shop gives me those Van Neistat vibes. Thanks 
 for documenting this and sharing your process. 



 On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 4:48:05 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi everyone — Last fall Pam Murray sent me some Silver shifter levers 
> that were in need of repair. They came off her high-mileage Betty Foy 
> after 
> the springs wore out. 
>
> Thanks to Mike Godwin for sending me a broken pair of the old Suntour 
> Sprint levers, they provided the parts I needed to get Pam's shifters 
> back 
> up and running. 
>
> I made a video about the process, it's up here: 
> https://youtu.be/0g67pjAPYZk
>
> I hope this is helpful to anyone looking to get their worn out or 
> broken Silver v1 or v2 shifters back into shape.
>
> Cheers! 
>


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Re: [RBW] Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Eric Marth]

What Brian said plus my choice would be the 12cm Tallux or the 13.5cm 
face-plater assuming you're on a Riv 54cm or larger. 

I have a 12cm Tallux on my Appaloosa with Ortho bars. It's been pretty 
good, no complaints, but those bars are massive and I wouldn't mind having 
them a little further away. But not enough to do a stem swap! 

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Without having the most important factors (frame, size, and what you’re 
> currently running), I’d say going with a faceplater type stem would be a 
> good idea because these are very wide bars, and it’s good to have a stem 
> that will clamp down on them more securely than a single bolt quill stem.
>
> I currently have Ortho bars on my 54cm Gus, and I’m using a 110mm Nitto 
> threadless stem with 4 bolts on the faceplate.
>
> -Brian
> Lexington KY 
>
> On Mar 10, 2024, at 1:03 PM, Chris K  wrote:
>
> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
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[RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Eric Marth]

Bad to the bone! Thanks for sharing Diana :0) 

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 10:49:34 AM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm glad you all enjoyed the trip report! I'm sad I can't edit posts so 
> you all had to read day 4 twice lol. I'm still getting used to Google 
> groups (sorry you're getting this message twice Andy).
>
> I just bought Tosco bars to switch out the Choco's and I got a new stem 
> (with the faceplate) using Will's leapyear code. The bars will make me more 
> upright and the new stem will keep my bars from moving on my hard descents, 
> at least this is the hope!
>
> I'll be doing the Smoke and Fire 400 in May so hopefully I'll get another 
> trip report for you all then.
>
> Diana
> San Francisco 
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 3:34:40 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Wow, what a great trip!
>>
>> When I read ride reports I often drift into amazement at the landscapes 
>> so foreign (or just alien) to my regular environs. Part of the adventure is 
>> simply facing the unusual or unknown and turning that first pedal stroke. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:19:20 PM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Map: 
>>> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>>>
>>> Total miles: ~165 miles 
>>> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>>>
>>> *Intro: *
>>>
>>> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- 
>>> Echo-Titus Canyon , 
>>> but Titus Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), 
>>> so we were looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added 
>>> Rhyolite 
>>> Canyon  from 
>>> the Dirty Freehub.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Bicycles*
>>>
>>> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing 
>>> SK Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>>>
>>> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
>>> tires)
>>>
>>> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
>>> Total Miles: 46
>>> Average Speed 8.6mph
>>>
>>> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing 
>>> campground and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, 
>>> hot showers, picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if 
>>> you stay here. 
>>>
>>> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
>>> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The 
>>> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
>>> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
>>> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how 
>>> it will be the entire trip.
>>>
>>> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
>>> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
>>> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
>>> patched it up and moved on. 
>>>
>>> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
>>> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
>>> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
>>> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
>>> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
>>> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the 
>>> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
>>> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>>>
>>> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric 
>>> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area. 
>>> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending 
>>> the whole day by ourselves. 
>>>
>>> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained 
>>> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as 
>>> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us 
>>> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the 
>>> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate 
>>> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>>>
>>> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
>>> Max Speed: 34.5mph
>>> Average: 8.7mph
>>>
>>> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so 
>>> we decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. 
>>> The road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, 
>>> and many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: FS: XTR, Nitto, B68, Deer Head, XT, other misc. bits

[Eric Marth]

Just stopping by to say I continue to admire your collection of rapid 
risers! 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:56 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:

>
> *Update #2, the following items are still available:*
>
>
>
>- XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set 
>still available)
>
>
>- XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
>
>
>- Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
> *Update on what is still available, with appreciation to all who reached 
> out. I'm open to offers.*
>
>
>- XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set 
>still available)
>
>
>- XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
>
>
>- XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
>
>
>- Brooks B68 (new)
>- Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters
>
> *Items already sold (many thanks!):*
>
>
>- BL-M550 brake levers
>- XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes (second F/R set is still available)
>
>
>- VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals
>
>
>- Sugino XD2 triple crankset
>- XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur
>- XT FD-M781 front derailleur
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:27:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
> I'm preparing for a new build and want to clear out stuff I won't be using 
> anytime soon. Please reach out privately if you're interested in anything. 
> Thanks very much. 
> Jim
>
> ---
>
> *Nitto Technomic stem* (26, 100mm extension, great cond) $25
>
> [image: nitto stems and shimano brake lever copy.jpg]
>
> *Shimano XT BL-M550 brake levers* (*photo above*, silver, some scuffs, 
> mechanically perfect) $20
>
> *XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes* (gorgeous classic brakes, two F sets, 
> both sets NOS, never installed. One set is with box and paperwork, one set 
> is without box and dusty) $390 for NIB set, $370 for the other set. 
>
> [image: XTR BR-M900 cantis with box.jpg]
> [image: XTR BR-M900 cantis.jpg]
>
> *VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals* (great condition, removable pins, 
> spin super smoothly) $30
>
> [image: VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals.jpg]
>
> *Sugino XD2 triple crankset*, 175 (74/110 BCD, set up as a 48-34 double, 
> rings in great cond, can add small ring. Took off a bike I'm getting 
> painted. Shoe rub on arms for a partially polished look lol. great crankset 
> at a budget price, and it'll last forever) $40
>
> [image: Sugino triple crank set up as double 48-34 .jpg]
>
> *XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur* (GS, high normal, NOS with box) $245
>
> [image: XTR RD-M950 (NOS) RD-M953 (used).jpg]
>
> *XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*photo above*, SGS, great 
> condition, superficial scuffs, mechanically perfect, pulleys in great 
> condition, spin smoothly) $145
>
> *XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*on left in photo below,* SGS, 
> with brand new OEM tension pulley, guide pulley in great cond., body has 
> some scuffs, inside of cage has chain rub, clean and perfect mechanical 
> cond.) $125
>
> [image: XTR RDs M960, M951.jpg]
>
> *Brooks B68* (brand new, never taken out of box or even handled, honey) 
> $150 
>
> [image: Brooks B68 Honey.jpg]
>
> *Shimano XT Deore Deer Head SL-M700 shift levers* (NOS, pristine, 
> beautifully overbuilt shifters from the early- to mid-80s! With original 
> paperwork, cables, housing) $165 
>
> [image: XT SL-M700 Deer Head.jpg]
>
> *Shimano XT FD-M781 triple front derailleur* (dual pull, dusty, in 
> perfect mechanical shape. Took off my Hunqapillar.) $20 
>
> [image: Shimano XT FD-M781.jpg]
>
>
> * Shipping not included in listed prices
>
>

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[RBW] Video: Repairing Pam Murray's Silver shifters

[Eric Marth]

Hi everyone — Last fall Pam Murray sent me some Silver shifter levers that 
were in need of repair. They came off her high-mileage Betty Foy after the 
springs wore out. 

Thanks to Mike Godwin for sending me a broken pair of the old Suntour 
Sprint levers, they provided the parts I needed to get Pam's shifters back 
up and running. 

I made a video about the process, it's up here: https://youtu.be/0g67pjAPYZk

I hope this is helpful to anyone looking to get their worn out or broken 
Silver v1 or v2 shifters back into shape.

Cheers! 

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: NOS vintage Rivendell cycling cap

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Caroline, all traded, just waiting for my package to arrive, due on 
Saturday :0) 

On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> if the trade falls through let me know - would love to add this to my 
> collection <3
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 9:29:00 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Trade pending, thanks for all the interest! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:12:13 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0309.jpg]
>>>
>>> This vintage cap is in excellent, unworn condition. Eight panel made by 
>>> Pace Sport Wear in the USA. Cap is yellow buttercream and a brownish gray 
>>> with green details on the letters and logos. Bright white sweat band, new 
>>> cap profile. Cap and elastic have not been shaped by wear, tried on at 
>>> most, does not appear to have been worn or sweated in. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0306.jpg]
>>>
>>> Asking $65 shipped CONUS. Would trade for a VAR third hand tool. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!  :0) 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0310.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: NOS vintage Rivendell cycling cap

[Eric Marth]

Trade pending, thanks for all the interest! 

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:12:13 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: IMG_0309.jpg]
>
> This vintage cap is in excellent, unworn condition. Eight panel made by 
> Pace Sport Wear in the USA. Cap is yellow buttercream and a brownish gray 
> with green details on the letters and logos. Bright white sweat band, new 
> cap profile. Cap and elastic have not been shaped by wear, tried on at 
> most, does not appear to have been worn or sweated in. 
>
> [image: IMG_0306.jpg]
>
> Asking $65 shipped CONUS. Would trade for a VAR third hand tool. 
>
> Thanks!  :0) 
>
> [image: IMG_0310.JPG]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[Eric Marth]

Hi Steve — Yep, east of the Blue Ridge in Fredericksburg. 

That's a nice lookin' Ritchey, looks like a blast! 

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:14:18 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

>
> Eric, looks like you have some nice riding up there in VA (east of the 
> Blue Ridge?)
> Love the pic of the bike silhouetted against the cornfield. No snow in 
> where I am (yet). Here's a pic from yesterday's ride (trigger warning - non 
> Riv content):
>
> [image: 0ADC8C0F-74C4-4086-B005-1D6F0F254F3A_1_201_a.jpeg] 
>
> Steve in Asheville, NC
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 6:53:16 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hello friends — Here is a pair of photos from yesterday and today's rides 
>> in Virginia. We got a few inches of snow earlier this week, overnight temps 
>> on Tuesday night got down to 9º. The roads are in pretty good shape without 
>> much slush or mess. More in the forecast for tonight and tomorrow. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_9931.JPG]
>>
>> Cold ride, around 28º and 18 miles with nice sunshine. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_9946.JPG]
>>
>> And today, overcast and a balmy 40º. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:29:36 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Nice pics everyone, always enjoy these threads!
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2831.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Here’s a snapshot from this morning’s ride. Can’t resist stopping at 
>>>> the CalTech campus because of the variety in architecture. 
>>>>
>>>> New Leo is fully dialed in. Such a joy to ride. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Paul & old pal, Rich. I appreciate the kind words. This all 
>>>>> brings me great joy. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Jock 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:05 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jock Dewey, That bike is a vision of the perfectly proportioned 
>>>>>> bicycle in my opinion. Uncluttered, though there is a place for 
>>>>>> utilitarian 
>>>>>> racks, bags, etc. on bikes for other uses than the pure joy of riding. A 
>>>>>> lot of thought went into it, obviously, from the quietly understated 
>>>>>> color 
>>>>>> to the wheels, fenders, even the Acorn bag!  (Great backdrop too! How 
>>>>>> about 
>>>>>> a "Dewey bikes" calendar in 2025?)
>>>>>> Paul Germain
>>>>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:58:49 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here’s CA winter yesterday…grey day by the bay. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jock
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 2:04 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, I guess I'm back up for starting the thread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We haven't had much winter weather here, meaning no real snow, yet. 
>>>>>>>> A couple of days ago we had a beautiful, sunny day, temps around 40, 
>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> (for us) not a lot of wind. I took advantage and did the 
>>>>>>>> round-the-city-mostly-bike-paths loop. This is on the Hank Aaron 
>>>>>>>> trail. 
>>>>>>>> American Family Field isn't seeing much use these days, but it's just 
>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> handful of weeks before pitchers and catchers report down south.
>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_1825.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A bit more blustery and a bit of sleet yesterday, but I managed to 
>>>>>>>> sneak in a bit of a ride. Today pal Kurt and I did a 100km effort. 
>>>>>>>> Forecast 
>>>>>>>> was for temps around 30 and some sunshine. You can see how that turned 
>>>>>>>> out. 
>>>>>>>> I'll take 100km on 1/1, though! Kurt's riding his Gunnar Sport. I bet 
>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>>> bike has over 30,000 kms on it, including an epic 200km on

[RBW] Wooly Warm sweaters: Washing and shrinking

[Eric Marth]

I have two of the Rivendell Wooly Warm roll-neck sweaters. One's navy, 
one's olive. I got them both new. I've found that after washing them 
cold/gentle in my washing machine and air drying that they shrink. Has 
anyone else encountered this issue? 

In a recent blog Grant wrote "Wash them warm or cool, and let them air dry. 
You may need to do it once a year." I would recommend hand-washing them 
cold, as infrequently as possible.

I've washed my navy sweater cold/gentle three times, air dried, and it gets 
smaller every time. I haven't taken before-and-after measurements but I can 
certainly tell from the fit. The sleeves are shorter, neck is tighter, 
tighter around the torso as well. 

They're nice sweaters in great colors but require a bit more care than the 
rest of my wool, which I'm careful with anyway. 

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[Eric Marth]

Nice pics everyone, always enjoy these threads!

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: IMG_2831.jpeg]
>
> Here’s a snapshot from this morning’s ride. Can’t resist stopping at the 
> CalTech campus because of the variety in architecture. 
>
> New Leo is fully dialed in. Such a joy to ride. 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Paul & old pal, Rich. I appreciate the kind words. This all 
>> brings me great joy. 
>>
>> Jock 
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:05 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jock Dewey, That bike is a vision of the perfectly proportioned bicycle 
>>> in my opinion. Uncluttered, though there is a place for utilitarian racks, 
>>> bags, etc. on bikes for other uses than the pure joy of riding. A lot of 
>>> thought went into it, obviously, from the quietly understated color to the 
>>> wheels, fenders, even the Acorn bag!  (Great backdrop too! How about a 
>>> "Dewey bikes" calendar in 2025?)
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:58:49 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 Here’s CA winter yesterday…grey day by the bay. 

 Jock



 On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 2:04 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> Well, I guess I'm back up for starting the thread.
>
> We haven't had much winter weather here, meaning no real snow, yet. A 
> couple of days ago we had a beautiful, sunny day, temps around 40, and 
> (for 
> us) not a lot of wind. I took advantage and did the 
> round-the-city-mostly-bike-paths loop. This is on the Hank Aaron trail. 
> American Family Field isn't seeing much use these days, but it's just a 
> handful of weeks before pitchers and catchers report down south.
> [image: IMG_1825.jpeg]
>
> A bit more blustery and a bit of sleet yesterday, but I managed to 
> sneak in a bit of a ride. Today pal Kurt and I did a 100km effort. 
> Forecast 
> was for temps around 30 and some sunshine. You can see how that turned 
> out. 
> I'll take 100km on 1/1, though! Kurt's riding his Gunnar Sport. I bet 
> that 
> bike has over 30,000 kms on it, including an epic 200km on a bitter cold 
> January 31st, to get him an R-12 just under the wire.
> [image: IMG_1829.jpeg]
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: New MKS Pretzel pedals coming out next month

[Eric Marth]

Justin et al: Anyone had a chance to try these pretzels yet? Let me know, 
very curious. 

Anyone remember those dreadful "Must be the pretzels!" commercials from the 
mid 90s? 

https://youtu.be/0yMoV0BE-mI?si=110yTxnvbkaaLgs6

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I just received two sets of these pedals from Japan (one in silver and one 
> in black). Haven't put them on a bike yet but they're essentially MKS 
> Monarch's with the Riv pedal wings 
>  built in. Some 
> minor differences but that's the gist of it. Looks like they're panda-able, 
> too, same way the Monarchs can be switched out to mix and match colors. 
> These were $50 (shipping included) from Amazon Japan but looks like the 
> price has since gone up. Blue Lug is selling them, too, for just under $50 
> but gotta pay that $$$ shipping. Anyone else tried them yet? 
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/mks-pretzel-pedal-silver-1.html 
>
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> It kind of looks like a mash-up of my two favorite MKS pedals, the 
>> Sneaker Pedal and the Gamma/Monarch. I'm def curious about these. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:48:58 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Must be a MKS thing, pretzel, taco... what's next the nacho pedals???
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:35:10 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve seen it in-person and … I’ll pass. 

 On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> @Bill
>
> Thank you for your information. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 2:36 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> "Curious as to whether or not they would accept the cage extension 
>> that currently RBW sells."
>>
>> The Pretzel pedal has the cage extension BUILT IN.  You won't need 
>> the cage extension with the Pretzel.  It's already in there.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:45:51 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I came across  these new MKS Pretzel pedals, while looking for 
>> something else on the MKS website. They definitely look like they a 
>> twist 
>> to them, like a pretzel.  Curious as to whether or not they would accept 
>> the cage extension that currently RBW sells.  
>>
>> https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/news/node/453
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Vintage Rivendell hooded sweatshirt

[Eric Marth]

Sold, thank you :o) 

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 2:56:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — I have a Rivendell sweatshirt for sale. Asking $45 plus shipping 
> to you. 
>
> It's labeled an XXL, manufactured by the Cotton Bureau, made in USA and 
> 95% cotton, 5% poly. It's heavyweight cotton and very similar to Champion 
> Reverse Weave sweatshirts. 
>
> [image: IMG_9659.JPG]
>
> Laid flat it's 27-1/2" pit to pit and 27-1/2" top of shoulder to bottom 
> hem. It fits a bit smaller than the measurements suggest. I'd say it fits 
> between a large and extra large. It almost works for me but it's a bit 
> long. I'm 5'10" and 175.  
>
> There is some staining and discoloration at the cuffs and collar. It's 
> definitely seen some wear, there are holes at the cuffs and a small hole at 
> the front pocket. Drawstring is missing. 
>
> [image: IMG_9661.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_9666.JPG]
>
> I think this is from around the early 2000s, I found a listing on the 
> Rivendell site through archive.org date 2004. 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-12-27 at 2.22.57 PM.png]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD2 triple, 175mm

[Eric Marth]

Hi everyone — The crankset is sold. Thanks!

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Yep.  My crank arms are 165.  Just looked them up.  I could use the 
> chainrings but not the crank arms.
>
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:02:19 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's 110 BCD for the bigger rings, 74 granny ring. Nice cranks, nice 
>> price, but the length of the arms might be a stretch for you. You're 
>> probably used to 170mm (or shorter). 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 8:15:18 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like that but I think I need a BCD 110 for my Betty.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:19:39 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 2F5171D3-638E-4337-8476-972CEA76C2BC.jpeg]

 $75 plus shipping to you. It’s a 48/36/24. Pedal washers and bolts 
 included. Thanks! 




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[RBW] Re: Let's see your Rivendell headbadges

[Eric Marth]

Steve — I love those pins, very cool! I've been looking out for some

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 4:27:58 PM UTC-5 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> wow nice - especially the Baggins pin!
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 12:21:59 PM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> Nice! I wish I had the badges I used for the poster, but alas they were 
>> all loaners (Grant sent me a bunch for the original poster), or photos I 
>> found online. The only badge I have at this point is the one on my Clem. 
>> Tell me more about the 5th one from the left. Looks like it could be the 
>> original pewter, or maybe a pre-cloisonne. Some of yours also look flat - 
>> clue us in. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:02:58 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> My smattering of Rivendell badges has recently turned into a collection. 
>>> Do you have badges? I'd love to see them! 
>>>
>>> We know Marty has an impressive collection and he's made a beautiful 
>>> print-ready poster he's shared with all of us. 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/mLyCdRjiuog/m/nqX77si_AQAJ
>>>
>>> Here's the six I've collected as displayed in my shop :o) 
>>>
>>> [image: badges small.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

That Ram is looking good Stephen!  

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 5:58:47 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Platypus in the Jungle
> Spent the past week camping at Edisto Island, SC. Quiet back roads, woodsy 
> trails and a few miles of freshly paved bike path.
>
> [image: 4773C539-A6CC-42EE-9359-FD8E0F28BDF0.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: 0C146380-4BCC-4B3B-B69F-26B64E2F49A9.jpeg]
>
> [image: 132634B3-3B2B-4F89-9E74-64C37B560F7D.jpeg]
>
> [image: 3B92F10E-FA5C-4D48-B29A-F648BC22014F.jpeg]
>
> [image: E9F9BA02-204C-4403-987D-32B56CD6A409.jpeg]
> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I'll sneak this one in before the solstice and someone creates a 'Winter 
>> Rides' thread.
>> [image: IMG_2573.JPG]
>> Cheers, John
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 10:55:06 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> *Nice!*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 9:00 PM Josh (BertoBerg)  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0415.jpeg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Stephen, thank you! For a long time I used a Fuji X100, the first version. 
When that failed this summer I sent it to Fuji and they offered to sell me 
a refurbished X100 V. It wasn't cheap but it was cheaper than the secondary 
market and better than new prices when you can find them available from 
Fuji (usually, you can't!). Most of my recent pics are with the X100 V but 
there are a few sprinkled in there that are shot with my iPhone 8. 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:11:15 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Nice eric!
>
> I’m just working my way through a new roll of b/w in my rollei, excited to 
> see how they eventually come out. What are you using for your fotos? they 
> always look so good I’m guessing its not your phone
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 3:08:46 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The colors are mostly gone from the trees and my photos. 
>>
>> [image: 231209 Ride 02.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 7:46:05 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Since the leaves fell around Halloween work and weather have curtailed 
>>> my adventures. I have mostly done this (commuting before and after dark) 
>>> twice a day.
>>> [image: 6D35E6BE-911E-4E21-836E-F046C00103D8.jpg]
>>> Afficianados will notice Kraynick's Bike Shop 
>>>  (now 
>>> under Rocky's hands) on the right and offer that my headlight casts a huge 
>>> front wheel and fender shadow. 
>>>
>>> It's my new B Eyc on its OEM fork crown mount which replaced my 
>>> decrepit, weather rotted Luxos which finally let go of one of the two 
>>> spades for the tail light output leads. Much smaller unit but that doesn't 
>>> preclude the need to shine over the rest of the wheel and fender when 
>>> mounted in the stock fork crown hole position. I'm going to try the mount 
>>> off the Luxos to see if I gain some elevation of the light and project less 
>>> shadow. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:34:53 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>>
 Carrying on with Ted's seasonal riding photos threads, it's now fall.

 Around here the leaves are starting to change, but today was 
 summer-like in temperature; a beautiful day for a mostly roadish ride on a 
 singlespeed.

 [image: PXL_20231005_165659199-1800.jpg]

 [image: PXL_20231005_171538228-1800sm.jpg]

 [image: PXL_20231005_171618980_volpe-bog-1800sm.jpg]

 Looking forward to seeing where you all are riding this season.

 -Dave (near Boston)



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[RBW] Re: PSA: Brooks B68

[Eric Marth]

Keith: Maybe? I have been under the impression that Trade/BikeInn sell 
seconds, discounts and other miscellaneous stuff they get their hands on. 
They've had small amounts of B68s in the past when no one else did, long 
before Riv got Brooks on board for whatever weird deal they have going 
currently. 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Does this mean Riv can start selling the a la carte?
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 5:40:17 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Hope you guys get yours quick. I put in an order for another item a month 
>> ago at tradeinn and it still hasn’t shown up. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I grabbed one. My wife ordered one with her Platy, that has yet 
>>> to ship, and it got me wanting to try it out for myself. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 4:22:12 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 PSA: I bought mine here a while back and saw they have some in stock:

 Brooks england B68 Saddle, Brown | Bikeinn 
 
 tradeinn.com 
 
 [image: icon-180x180.png] 
 
  
 



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Homer headbadge

[Eric Marth]

I think the Homer badges are pretty sweet. The one on Paul R's bike is 
weathered, patinated and brassy. It looks beautiful. I'm not sure if 
they're still made with same metals (doesn't look like it to my eye). 

On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 8:32:10 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> LOVE the Saluki, Hunq, Cheviot, Appaloosa headbadges. Clem and Rosco are 
> fun. Hard to get excited about the Homer, I get it
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>> The hunqapillar headbadge will always be the best.
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 3:36 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Science fact-
>>
>> There’s no finer headbadge in the universe than that of thee Rosco Bubbe.
>> -Kai
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 5:24:44 PM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> With the green twin top tube Rosco, it was that I just didn't like the 
>>> rocket ship head badge. With the Homer, I like the head badge design but 
>>> not the dark blue border. However, I did leave the head badge on my Wolbis.
>>>
>>> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 09:39:25 UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 lol.  As soon as I saw this, I knew you had to be the guy who removed 
 the head badge on what is now my Green Rosco.
 On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:51:52 AM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:

> Sold. Thanks!
>
> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 05:34:25 UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Just removed this head badge from my new A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I 
>> like the look of the plain cream-colored head tube contrasting with the 
>> mustard frame. Perfect condition. Amazing what you can do with nylon 
>> tire 
>> irons. $35/shipped. Email me directly. Thanks, Paul in rainy Eugene 
>> Oregon.
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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Love those fendered fat tires, Coco!  :o) 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:04:55 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Some from October in Squamish BC!
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:33:53 AM UTC-8 wrongw...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Tally-ho! 
>>
>> An early test run of my nearly-new (and absolutely new-to-me) 62cm 2018 
>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. The bike provides a super stable and cushy ride, 
>> which I relish, but currently is a slight "work in progress" in terms of 
>> bars, racks, and other fitments. To be deployed in the future, some first 
>> generation Crust Towel Rack bars, Shimano bar-end shifters, Tektro brake 
>> levers, a rear Nitto Campee rack, and various tire packages. 
>>
>> This particular ride was along the White River State Trail, a section of 
>> the former Milwaukee Road rail corridor in southeast Wisconsin, which runs 
>> from Elkhorn in Walworth County, 19 miles eastward to Dover in Racine 
>> County, with a gap at Burlington. A section of the trail sits due north of 
>> the Wisconsin resort community of Lake Geneva ("Chicagoland's playground"). 
>> The first image was taken about a mile west of the Burlington trailhead, on 
>> the utility bridge a tad off the trail and perpendicular to it. The bridge 
>> spans the White River and allows the farm in the northern distance to 
>> trundle its vehicles across the river and the east-west running trail 
>> itself and so to access the fields on the southern side of the trail. It is 
>> a peaceful spot from which to watch the river meander and to espy Johnny 
>> and Mary Muskrat as they sally forth from their watery den.
>>
>> [image: DSC00998 - Copy.JPG]
>> The next three photos were taken in tiny and bucolic Springfield, 
>> approximately six miles from the western start of the trail in Elkhorn, 
>> along State Trunk Road 120 and Depot Street. The old Springfield Lumber, 
>> Feed & Fuel Co. buildings along the former railbed now serve as Pedal & 
>> Cup's bike rental depot. Note the bicycle shadow cast from the sign in the 
>> upper-right hand side of the image.
>>
>> [image: DSC00999 - Copy.JPG]
>>
>> [image: DSC01010 - Copy.JPG]
>>
>> Across the road from the Lumber Company resides the former Milwaukee Road 
>> train depot, preserved pretty much in its original 1911 livery, but now 
>> used not to sell tickets and ship steamer trunks but to purvey Pedal & 
>> Cup's delicious ice cream and coffee (alas, closed for the season).
>>
>>
>> [image: DSC01011 - Copy.JPG]
>>
>> Should any leisurely-minded and lollygagging-inclined fellow Rivendell 
>> enthusiasts within reach wish to come together for a party-paced ride some 
>> uncharacteristically balmy autumn day or sometime come Spring, do let me 
>> know. Cheese-and-watercress sandwiches and bergamot-infused tea shall be on 
>> the menu. 
>>
>>
>> Cheerio,
>>
>>
>> Peter (aka "Wrongway Pete")
>> Whitewater, Wisconsin
>>
>> *"For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the 
>> scent of thingsWhy cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on 
>> earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"*
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

SallyG: Where is this scene? Palmated trees and wild turkeys. Looks like 
the guy in back has a pretty long beard! 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:

> [image: Turkeys .jpg]
> Thanksgiving Holiday Traffic!
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 10:52 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> Sunday morning traffic jam in SE Wisconsin
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>> [image: Frame-19-11-2023-12-46-47.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Eric Marth]

Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W out of Arlington 
to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>
> Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely 
> photos indeed. 
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Nick, 
>>
>> Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  
>>>
>>> Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably 
>>> about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the 
>>> canal.
>>>
>>> Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W and cut north from 
>>> Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
>>> traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 
>>> 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked 
>>> it!
>>>
>>>  https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century
>>>
>>> Nick in FC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve 
 done the C several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail 
 trail 
 across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like 
 it 
 would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get 
 a 
 shuttle.

 I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near 
 Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever 
 been caught out in!

 Brian
 Lexington Ky

 On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
 wrote:

 Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
 countless miles on the W ranging from skating to school on it when I 
 was 
 a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my 
 folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
 trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C last year from Pitt to DC on my 
 Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
 on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like 
 it would be fun to try in the spring. 



 On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That 
> guy is a bad ass.  
> Excellent work 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 
> thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>
>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>
>> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun 
>> to peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the 
>> frost 
>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
>> clouds:
>>
>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
>> roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>
>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>
>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home 
>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>>
>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>
>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that 
>> had an ecosystem living on its back:
>>
>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>
>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near 
>> a lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>
>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable 
>> terrain 
>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>
>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifter repair

[Eric Marth]

Hello MTR — I've disassembled Silver shifters for repairs but have not had 
one of the cover plates pop off on its own like yours. That is some brave 
free-hand drilling you've depicted! 

I've found the plates are relatively easy to re-install and can be pressure 
fit or set into place with a vise or a hammer. Getting them as flat as you 
can beforehand helps. 

If I had your lever in my shop here's what I would do. 

1: Remove the shift cable and set aside to reinstall
2: Remove the lever from the shifter pod, paying careful attention to the 
order the washers, bolts and other loose bits are installed
3: While the cover plate is free inspect the spring, pawl and ratchet for 
corrosion. Clean with a stiff brush if necessary and reinstall. Be careful 
with the spring, they're very tiny and can fly across your shop in the 
blink of an eye!
4: Take the freed lever and press the cover plate back over the shifter 
body by hand
5: Seat the cover plate by clamping it tightly with a bench vise *or *tapping 
it into place with a piece of hardwood between the plate and the hammer
6: If the plate doesn't look like it wants to stay in place I might add a 
very small amount of epoxy in a spot that will not interfere with the 
internal ratchet mechanisms
7: Reinstall the lever, reinstall the cable. 

Just my take, let us know how your screw fix works. 
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Looks good! It shouldn't come loose, nothing is acting on it to loosen it.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:19:14 PM UTC-5 MTR wrote:
>
>> Posting my repair
>>
>>  I used the smallest sheet metal screw I could find at Ace 3/32 inch and 
>> the matching drill bit to drill perpendicular through the shifter. If I did 
>> it again I would've removed the shift cable to not damage it when drilling, 
>> but leaving it in seemed to work ok too. 
>>
>> The sheet metal screw tapped into the aluminum shifter pretty easily with 
>> just a little persuasion and seems to be holding pretty well. If it strips 
>> or comes loose I'll run a small machine bolt through with a nylock nut. 
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3929.jpeg][image: IMG_3931.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:27:08 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I would do. I don't think there's any other options.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-5 MTR wrote:
>>>
 I have a set Dia Comp knockoff silver shifters that have partially 
 broken, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on how to fix them. See 
 the attached pictures to see how they're broken.

  I thought for repair would be to drill a tiny hole and thread a screw 
 in there to hold it together.

  Does anybody have any ideas?[image: IMG_3917 Large.jpeg][image: 
 IMG_3918 Large.jpeg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Jason R: Nice shots & Hillborne!

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:03:59 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Stephen: Two things, 1) Hi Dan! 2) Nice Stan Rays  3) Oops that's three, 
> nice pics! 
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Joined a fun ride up the OCA trail north of NYC this past weekend. Super 
>> nice late fall day, thanks for the intel Justin.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6202.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6206.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 2023_113727.JPG]
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, you have good looking Atlantis!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM, Jason R.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> A few photos from a weekend ride on the Salt Creek Trail west of 
>>>> Chicago. Peak leaf season has passed here, but a good number of sparsely 
>>>> populated trees with leaves of varying colors keep it going.
>>>>
>>>> [image: R0004237.jpg]
>>>> [image: R0004242.jpg]
>>>> [image: R0004247.jpg]
>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the introduction and background regarding the Gilbert 
>>>>> House. I had not heard of it but you always have a good story to tell and 
>>>>> this is certainly one.
>>>>> Here is a link to the Gilbert House:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.atlantaga.gov/government/departments/city-planning/office-of-design/urban-design-commission/jeremiah-s-gilbert-house
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the cycling environment here: I'm seeing more cyclists, many 
>>>>> group ride opportunities, some infrastructure improvements like lanes 
>>>>> (still not enough). The ongoing construction of the Beltline; the Path 
>>>>> Foundation continues its efforts to expand the trail system with the goal 
>>>>> of connecting to the Silver Comet. Unfortunately, the volume of traffic 
>>>>> has 
>>>>> exploded and with that speeds to match; likely the same in many large 
>>>>> cities. However, if you know when and where to ride there are plenty of 
>>>>> options for year round riding. Oh, and hills. Lots of those to get your 
>>>>> heart rate up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should add, if you don't mind driving an hour or two in any 
>>>>> direction from the city there are pleasant low traffic rolling country 
>>>>> roads like this to ride.
>>>>> [image: IMG_0628.jpg]
>>>>> [image: IMG_0689.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:53 PM Patrick Moore  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: It has been decades since I was last in Atlanta, and I've never 
>>>>>> cycled there, but I recall that, at least 20 years ago when I last 
>>>>>> visited 
>>>>>> my sister and bro-in-law (they took to coming out here instead), it did 
>>>>>> not 
>>>>>> look to be a very cycling-friendly city. I also recall the area from 
>>>>>> even 
>>>>>> earlier visits to my grandmother who lived in Decatur, and these even 
>>>>>> more 
>>>>>> distant memories also are of a poor cycling environment in the 
>>>>>> Decatur/Emory area. Have things changed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside: do you know the Gilbert house? I see it's now a city-owned 
>>>>>> landmark. It belonged to family-by-second-marriage: a paternal 
>>>>>> great-uncle 
>>>>>> and widower married one of the Gilbert sisters and I recall visiting the 
>>>>>> Faulknerian remnants of the (I think) 2d-gen Gilbert siblings about 
>>>>>> 1964, 
>>>>>> all living there together, all well over 100 years old (exaggeration), 
>>>>>> including Aunt Gus who boasted that she hadn't been outside of the house 
>>>>>> for 13 years (not exaggeration) and Hattie who had been bedridden for 
>>>>>> years. They had a cook (I recall playing with her son) who from a 
>>>>>> detached 
>>>>>> kitchen with covered walkway to the house made wonderful 18-course meals 
>>>>>> 4

Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Stephen: Two things, 1) Hi Dan! 2) Nice Stan Rays  3) Oops that's three, 
nice pics! 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Joined a fun ride up the OCA trail north of NYC this past weekend. Super 
> nice late fall day, thanks for the intel Justin.
>
> [image: IMG_6202.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6206.jpg]
>
> [image: 2023_113727.JPG]
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Jason, you have good looking Atlantis!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM, Jason R.  wrote:
>>
>>> A few photos from a weekend ride on the Salt Creek Trail west of 
>>> Chicago. Peak leaf season has passed here, but a good number of sparsely 
>>> populated trees with leaves of varying colors keep it going.
>>>
>>> [image: R0004237.jpg]
>>> [image: R0004242.jpg]
>>> [image: R0004247.jpg]
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Patrick,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the introduction and background regarding the Gilbert House. 
>>>> I had not heard of it but you always have a good story to tell and this is 
>>>> certainly one.
>>>> Here is a link to the Gilbert House:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.atlantaga.gov/government/departments/city-planning/office-of-design/urban-design-commission/jeremiah-s-gilbert-house
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the cycling environment here: I'm seeing more cyclists, many 
>>>> group ride opportunities, some infrastructure improvements like lanes 
>>>> (still not enough). The ongoing construction of the Beltline; the Path 
>>>> Foundation continues its efforts to expand the trail system with the goal 
>>>> of connecting to the Silver Comet. Unfortunately, the volume of traffic 
>>>> has 
>>>> exploded and with that speeds to match; likely the same in many large 
>>>> cities. However, if you know when and where to ride there are plenty of 
>>>> options for year round riding. Oh, and hills. Lots of those to get your 
>>>> heart rate up.
>>>>
>>>> I should add, if you don't mind driving an hour or two in any direction 
>>>> from the city there are pleasant low traffic rolling country roads like 
>>>> this to ride.
>>>> [image: IMG_0628.jpg]
>>>> [image: IMG_0689.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:53 PM Patrick Moore  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rich: It has been decades since I was last in Atlanta, and I've never 
>>>>> cycled there, but I recall that, at least 20 years ago when I last 
>>>>> visited 
>>>>> my sister and bro-in-law (they took to coming out here instead), it did 
>>>>> not 
>>>>> look to be a very cycling-friendly city. I also recall the area from even 
>>>>> earlier visits to my grandmother who lived in Decatur, and these even 
>>>>> more 
>>>>> distant memories also are of a poor cycling environment in the 
>>>>> Decatur/Emory area. Have things changed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Aside: do you know the Gilbert house? I see it's now a city-owned 
>>>>> landmark. It belonged to family-by-second-marriage: a paternal 
>>>>> great-uncle 
>>>>> and widower married one of the Gilbert sisters and I recall visiting the 
>>>>> Faulknerian remnants of the (I think) 2d-gen Gilbert siblings about 1964, 
>>>>> all living there together, all well over 100 years old (exaggeration), 
>>>>> including Aunt Gus who boasted that she hadn't been outside of the house 
>>>>> for 13 years (not exaggeration) and Hattie who had been bedridden for 
>>>>> years. They had a cook (I recall playing with her son) who from a 
>>>>> detached 
>>>>> kitchen with covered walkway to the house made wonderful 18-course meals 
>>>>> 4 
>>>>> or 5 times a day; between courses they ate biscuits with butter and 
>>>>> honey, 
>>>>> like sopapillas in NM. All as distant culturally from my WDC-suburban 
>>>>> upbringing as my mother's family in Sorosogon, Sorsogon. Bike content: 
>>>>> cook's son had a bike which even back circa 1964 interested me rather 
>>>>> greatly and which I mentally compared to my entry-level fff24"-wheel JC 
>>>>> Higgi

[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Great pics everyone!

Patrick: That's Caroline County, Virginia, about 12 miles from home.

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 10:10:00 PM UTC-5 Mark C wrote:

>
> I road my old Ritchey to nearby White Park just over a week ago and there 
> was still some color, but the leaves fell fast after that.
>
> [image: Ritchey.jpg]
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:46 PM UTC-5 tob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I enjoyed some fall colors on the Bleriot this weekend
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 4:56:13 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Some more .. I've been riding the Bombadil pretty much exclusively 
>>> lately, after riding it very little all summer. 
>>>
>>> Eric - please do visit!  Late March thru late April is when the best 
>>> display of cherry/plum blossoms outside Japan are in full swing. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20231104_211128475 (1).jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Eric Marth]

Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o) 

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:

> Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 150 
> bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:
>
>> could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> Clem H
>>> 52cm
>>> $741
>>> New Jersey
>>> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Thank you Randy and Takashi!  

Takashi, always love when you share a set with us! Third photo is my fave 
from this batch! 

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:58:54 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:

> I agree with Randy; Eric's photos are spectacular.
>
> Here are some photos from Saturday's ride.
> Climbed up a mountain pass, overlooking Mt. Ontake and Kaida Plateau.
>
> [image: DSC03407.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC03414.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC03418.jpg]
>
> A couple of scarecrows were enjoying majestic view of Mt. Ontake.
> (Yes, they're scarecrows.)
> [image: DSC03421.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
>
> 2023年11月1日水曜日 10:16:47 UTC+9 larson@gmail.com:
>
>> Spectacular Fall scenery, Eric.
>> Randy in WI (where falling snow mixed with falling leaves today)
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:49:39 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are a few from my ride yesterday :o) 
>>>
>>> [image: 231028 Ride 09 Estes.jpg]
>>> [image: 231028 Ride 04 Estes.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 231028 Ride 10 Woodward.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Eric Marth]

[image: 0_ccmrPRcSB2W_0CI0t2_600x450-1.jpg]

It's too bad to see an uncommon Riv frame that was rippled and dimpled by 
one owner and left outside *over winter* by the next. Perhaps with the 
damage there's some more room to negotiate the price. It would be nice if a 
new owner could resurrect it. But I'm worried it's worse than it looks 
given the current owner's lack of bicycle savvy (bad pics, missing 
important pics, incorrect wheel size). 

AFAIK Bernie Mikkelson does repair work for Rivendell (when he can get to 
it) and if this frame has been inspected and evaluated by him that would 
give me some degree of confidence. Even more if I could call him and he 
remembered the frame. 
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That poor Hunq looks like it got overclamped in a repair stand. Clamp the 
> seatpost, people! 
>
> The price is optimistic with the damage and visible rust but it probably 
> rides fine. 
>
> There's no 54cm Hunqapillar with 26-inch wheels, I'm not sure what size 
> this frame is. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:02:05 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody know more details about this Hunq: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7682361768.html?lang=fr=ca
>>
>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> I had the chance to buy that legolas and I just don't have the funds to 
>>> pull it off right now. whoever gets it please show us that eventual build!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Pretty Legolas frame over at Crust Trader. 
 https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179172
 Matt in STL

 On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-5 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> 59cm Legolas over on internet-BOB.  $400, with a backstory.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:09 PM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Rivendell SimpleOne Frame 60 cm w/Fork And Headset (not mine, nor 
>> seller known to me)
>>
>> $425 plus shipping - or Best Offer
>>
>>
>> [image: Riv-ebay.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 October 2023 at 11:51:08 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally 
>>> nice buyer.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:


 https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> Rosco Bubbe
> 58cm
> eBay auction
> Lake Linden, MI
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>
> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>


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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Eric Marth]

Alex, Lyle's build at the time he sold the Ram is one of my favorite 
bicycles I've ever seen. It's been fun to see the further mods you've made 
and watch as you've put it through big brevets and PBP! 

The current setup, paint and spec are superb! 

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 9:50:15 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Wow, thank you all for the overwhelming response and for sharing your 
> experience. I love the photos, keep 'em coming!
>
> Matt, thanks for the detail on the Tektros, I ordered a pair but also 
> decided to pull the trigger on Alex' Mafacs (thanks Alex!) to try out the 
> conversion.
>
> Here is what I'll try: 
> 1) New 700C RH tires - Bon Jon Pass in standard casings
> 2) Swap out Paul Racers Medium for MAFAC RAID and install 650b Wheels with 
> Loup Loup Pass tires or with Hetres (650x42) depending on what fits
>
> I'm not sure when, but I will get to it... I have too many half baked 
> projects at the moment, including my half-built Gallop on the stand right 
> now, a brakeless Wilbury that will lose its wheels soon and a MMM bubbe 
> with an Xtracycle that also needs a 650b conversion - I hope I can use the 
> Paul Racers directly on the canti posts, I'm not sure if the plate where 
> the bolt sits is removable.
>
> Thanks again to everyone and I'll report back.
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:33:13 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Careful with offset brake pad’s 
>> If tires are wide pad my rub on tire
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>> --
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Toshi Takeuchi 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:02:58 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt 
>>  
>> I concur with Evan.  I had a 54 cm 650b Ram with 54 mm Hetre/Baby Shoe 
>> Pass tires and SKS fenders.  It was as good as my custom bike, except for 
>> the toe overlap and dynamo wiring. I used thin profile V-brake style pads 
>> to get a little extra reach with the Tektro R559.  That strategy may be 
>> able to be combined with the offset brake-pad holders if needed.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 9:16 AM Evan E.  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex, 
>>
>> Here for your reference is a photo of my Rambouillet with 650b wheels, 
>> Tektro R559 brakes, and Pari-Moto 650b x 42 tires. I used offset brake-pad 
>> holders on the rear caliper to get a tad more reach. If it turns out you 
>> need a bit more reach on your bike, let me know. I still have those offset 
>> brake-pad holders.
>>
>> Evan
>> San Francisco
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Eric Marth]

It was a fun event and I didn't even ride my bicycle! I arrived early 
Friday and left before lunch Saturday. Rained like hell Friday afternoon 
and all night Friday into Saturday. Huge turnout all the same. I still had 
lots of fun visiting with people and making new friends. Justin, it was 
great to meet you. I wish I'd stuck around to ride with you all. 

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Friday and Saturday morning's weather notwithstanding, it was an awesome 
> weekend once again! Some pics and videos below on my IG highlight reel. Was 
> great meeting Eric Marth in person as well as hanging and riding with 
> fellow Brooklynite Stephen. The camp this year was the best yet - an old 
> Boy Scout camp with lots of interesting terrain to explore. The bunk'd out 
> lean-to's were lifesavers for staying relatively dry Friday night. 
> Hopefully they'll keep doing it at Deer Lake going forward.  
>
> https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18022077148765755/
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:30:54 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> How was the ride?  I missed it this year due to a work trip.  Last time 
>> my crew made it up was 2021 (a fabulous year) and I'm itching to get back.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:45:18 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes it looks terrible! Hope still fun tho  
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:20:51 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
>>>> The forecast is getting worse the closer we get! 
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-10-16 at 4.33.11 PM.png]
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 11:25:02 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll be there again, this time on a big ol pistachio Romanceur 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to add a mermaid gus to the mix--see you out there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam in Portland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:26:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most excellent! Looking forward to it and hoping the forecast 
>>>>>>> improves. 
>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:52:35 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three 
>>>>>>>> mermaid frames... at least! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep that was me!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. 
>>>>>>>>>>> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some day…
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have fun!
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there this year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mermaid 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Eric Marth]

The forecast is getting worse the closer we get! 

[image: Screenshot 2023-10-16 at 4.33.11 PM.png]

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 11:25:02 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> I'll be there again, this time on a big ol pistachio Romanceur 
>
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm going to add a mermaid gus to the mix--see you out there!
>>
>> Adam in Portland
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:26:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Most excellent! Looking forward to it and hoping the forecast improves. 
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:52:35 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three 
 mermaid frames... at least! 

 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Yep that was me!
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
 Some day…
 Have fun!
 -Kai

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
 wrote:

> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>
>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there 
>>> this year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid 
>>> Platy.
>>>
>>> Cheers-
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Eric Marth]

Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three mermaid 
frames... at least! 

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Yep that was me!
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Some day…
 Have fun!
 -Kai

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>
>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this 
>>> year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.
>>>
>>> Cheers-
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Eric Marth]

Leah, if only you could link up with a trustworthy board member-mechanic 
who could carefully ream the seat tube for her! I'm not sure who that would 
be 樂 The S84 is the ultimate. 

I certainly understand your reluctance to have a local shop do this for you 
after the recent stories you shared! 

They're not super easy to find but the SR MTE-100 seatpost (that the IRD 
post you have is based on) comes in a 26.8 but looks only slightly better 
than your IRD, IMO. A saved eBay search would help. But I wouldn't think 
it's worth it for you to track one down considering the IRD is working for 
you. 

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> but I certainly understand Leah's reluctance to entrust this job to her 
> local bikeshops
>
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:28:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>> perspective: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>
>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
 frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

 

 Ryan,
 That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like 
 the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. 
 This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have 
 been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
 Leah

 On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:

 the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
 for that lovely bike.just saying

 On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
>
> AND After…
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
> image5.jpeg]
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike 
> Makeover thread.
>
>
> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my 
> favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in 
> the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
> I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull 
> it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
> Platypus, 
> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>
> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
> me the unvarnished truth. 
>
> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather 
> grips 
> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>
> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
> wholly appointed to its duty.
>
> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a 
> pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when 

Re: [RBW] For sale: Michelin shirts and Suntour hats

[Eric Marth]

If you missed out I just found two more Large tees, send me a message for 
direct sale. Printed in Richmond, Virginia on Bayside tees made in the USA. 

They're $35 shipped CONUS. Thanks!

[image: Michelin 01.jpg]

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:23:10 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Thanks Keith :) 
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> These are awesome Eric!
>> Nice work! 
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2023, at 3:34 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all — I made a batch of Michelin shirts based on a poster from 1905. 
>> They're printed on Bayside tees made in the USA and printed in Richmond, 
>> Virginia by Triple Stamp Press. 
>>
>> Available here: https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> I also got some more Suntour hats made, this time using an earlier 
>> version of the Suntour logo. Embroidered on Adams LP101 ivory blanks by 
>> Crewel & Unusual in Richmond, Virginia. 
>>
>> Available here: https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Rather than doing direct sales please order thru the Big Cartel link. 
>> Managing all the email sales is a miniature nightmare! If you're 
>> international and see crazy shipping fees please reach out. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Eric 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 63 cm Romulus

[Eric Marth]

Sounds like quite a deal! Any chance for some pictures? They're mentioned 
but not included :) 

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:41 PM UTC-4 bapete...@gmail.com wrote:

> Original owner 63cm Romulus purchased in Walnut Creek.  $800 or best offer
> photos attached
>
> Standard Riv Build:
> Tiagra hubs
> Alex adventurer2 rims
> Schwalbe/Armadillo 700x35 tires
> 105 derailers
> shimano std reach side pull brakes 
> shimano sora triple crank
> nitto s65 seatpost
> nitto 46 cm Noodle handlebars
> nitto technomic 11cm stem
> shimano dura ace bar end shifters
> tiagra brake levers
>
> Local pickup only. Owner is in Berkeley CA. No shipping
> Cash or Venmo
>
> Thanks for considering
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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

[Eric Marth]

I'm happy to share, glad everyone who responded has enjoyed! Always fun to 
turn up a little Rivendell/Grant tidbit "in the wild." 

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:

> Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
> since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
> and a 700c/50cm
>
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>>
>> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
>> lugged? 
>>
>> Thanks again! 
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>>
>> -Rich
>>
>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to 
>>> believe these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
 renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
 lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:

 

 Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, 
 one that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for 
 stuff like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i 
 was thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave 
 me 
 some ideas!

 On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:

> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame 
> than it was 10 years ago because…
> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t print 
> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax 
> lug, 
> which you can then cast in steel.
> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
> If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for 
> a 
> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct 
> lug.
>
> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
> demanding 
> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>
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[RBW] Re: Michelin shirts & Suntour hats

[Eric Marth]

Hi Lenny — I'm glad you dig, thanks! The mediums and larges are gone 沈 
It's always hard to ride that line of meeting demand and not ending up with 
a bunch of unsold inventory. 

Still have a few S, XL, XXL and XXXL. 
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:32:06 PM UTC-4 Lenny wrote:

> Any medium t-hsirts left? These are fantastic. 
>
> Thanks,
> Lenny
> Boston, MA
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:43:49 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all — I made a batch of Michelin shirts based on a poster from 1905. 
>> They're printed on Bayside tees made in the USA and printed in Richmond, 
>> Virginia by Triple Stamp Press. $30 plus shipping, sizes from Small through 
>> Extra Extra Extra Large. 
>>
>> Available here: https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>>
>> [image: Michelin 01.jpg]
>>
>>
>> I also got some more Suntour hats made, this time using an earlier 
>> version of the Suntour logo. Embroidered on Adams LP101 ivory blanks by 
>> Crewel & Unusual in Richmond, Virginia. One size fits some. 
>>
>> Available here: https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>>
>> [image: Suntour 01.jpg]
>>
>> Rather than doing direct sales please order thru the Big Cartel link. 
>> Managing all the email sales is a miniature nightmare! If you're 
>> international and see crazy shipping fees please reach out. 
>>
>> And apologies for the double post, I put a note up here a few days ago 
>> before I had my online store sorted. I always seem to screw things up with 
>> that! 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Eric 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] For sale: Michelin shirts and Suntour hats

[Eric Marth]

Thanks Keith :) 

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:

> These are awesome Eric!
> Nice work! 
>
> k.
>
> On Oct 4, 2023, at 3:34 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Hi all — I made a batch of Michelin shirts based on a poster from 1905. 
> They're printed on Bayside tees made in the USA and printed in Richmond, 
> Virginia by Triple Stamp Press. 
>
> Available here: https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>
> 
>
>
> I also got some more Suntour hats made, this time using an earlier version 
> of the Suntour logo. Embroidered on Adams LP101 ivory blanks by Crewel & 
> Unusual in Richmond, Virginia. 
>
> Available here: https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>
> 
>
>
> Rather than doing direct sales please order thru the Big Cartel link. 
> Managing all the email sales is a miniature nightmare! If you're 
> international and see crazy shipping fees please reach out. 
>
> Thanks! 
> Eric 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carrying groceries on your bike

[Eric Marth]

Hi Paul — If you're regularly hauling loads like in your picture it would 
be worthwhile to get set up with some good racks and panniers. A handlebar 
load of 36 lbs sounds dicey! I'm impressed you got a photo of the bars 
loaded up while in motion. 

I've had a few setups over the years. The one that allowed me the most 
volume was a LHT with front and rear Surly racks (they're very stout). I 
had a Wald 137 up front with a Sackville shop sack and I'd run two of the Jandd 
grocery panniers  in the 
back. The Jandd bags are the size of a standard brown paper grocery bag. I 
could haul some serious weight! Sometimes I'd strap a 12-pack of seltzer to 
the flat part of the rack between two fully loaded panniers. These days I 
do much more frequent and smaller grocery runs with my Appaloosa or 
Hillborne. There's a nice grocery store that's 3/4 mile from my house and I 
go there frequently, sometimes every day. 

I use my bicycle as a grocery cart inside the store. Both of the grocery 
stores I frequent have bike racks outside but I've found that wheeling my 
bike inside saves me time and effort. I go in the store with the bike, fill 
the bag, check out, reload the bag, go home, take the groceries inside. On 
my Appaloosa I'll attach a Wald 139 to my Nitto M1 with Voile straps and 
then set a medium Sackville shopsack inside. My Hillborne has a Ron's Bikes 
Fab's Abs which holds enough for a small trip (avocados, chocolate, 
fermented beets, some carrots). Both bikes have a Widefoot liter cage which 
is good for managing a little extra volume like a quart of yogurt or 
certain bottles of sparkling water. There are a few items that fit a 
standard bottle cage as well. 

With the Appaloosa/Sackville combo I really appreciate being able to grab 
the bag out of the basket and walk inside. I've run Ron's Bikes Fab's Chest 
bags and used them for groceries. They hold a lot of stuff but when I get 
home I have to unload the bag into a box or something then carry everything 
inside and that's a pain. 

For a brief and shining moment one of the grocery stores offered a scanning 
app that allowed customers to scan barcodes with their phone. I only had to 
load up once, then scan my phone at the self-checkout. I loved that I 
didn't have to unload everything to scan it at checkout. That was great, I 
was so fast. Another note on expedience: locking up the bike outside adds 
two walks across the parking lot, plus unlocking, plus loading the bike 
with my bag of groceries. So I've settled on the bike-as-cart method. Works 
better for small and frequent trips rather than big hauls up to 40 pounds. 

I realize it's certainly not for everyone. I try to go at off times when 
the stores aren't very busy. It also attracts attention and some people 
find it odd or bothersome (because it's unexpected and different). Kids 
stare in wonder. 

Let us know what you end up doing!

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:06:43 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> Just got a B.O.B.!
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 10:20:52 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>
>> When it’s more than one bag of groceries I take my Emory Workhorse cargo 
>> bike with the enormous world-swallowing waxed canvas grocery bag (open, 
>> below, rolls down like a paper bag) I had made by local bagmaker Brandon of 
>> CycleCats. Fits A Lot.
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 22:06, Brian Witt  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> so, this is my Giant commuter bikea series of health 'issues' 
>> brought me to a place in my life where a 'step thru' was necessary..(.I am 
>> getting back on  the Quickbeam slowly and gratefully) the front basket 
>> is a Wald 157, and  'Kitty Litter' buckets  with fittings that 'snap' onto 
>> the rear rackThe clips are by Klickfix, a german company, and I got 
>> them through velofred.com.  he carries a variety of mounting 
>> fixtures and accessories for bike bags, racks and panniers etc.   I have a 
>> 2 leg kickstand which makes loading the groceries much easier.   the clips 
>> are nice... when i get home i can lift the buckets off the bike and carry 
>> the groceries into the house...yeah, i know i could paint the litter 
>> buckets, but i kinda like the look!  
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:52 PM Alex K  wrote:
>>
>> A recent Costco run! Pass And Stow rack, Wald 139 and a few RokStraps and 
>>> we're golden...
>>
>> Alex in SF
>>> <0-1.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:43:02 PM UTC-7 aelga...@castilleja.org 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nice work Paul! I used to do the exact same thing in middle school when 
 I had a paper route for the Contra Costa Times. 150 papers balanced on my 
 handlebars every morning. 

 Ahmed in Redwood City 

 On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 7:37 PM Christian B-H  wrote:

> [image: IMG_2959.jpeg]Respect, Paul! That’s genius. I bought these 
> durable ortlieb panniers to match my wife’s old 

Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Eric Marth]

Ted & Scott: I do run tubes in my tires. The Antelopes at around 25lb and 
the Snoqualmies around 37lbs. The Appaloosa is like 37lbs unloaded, not 
sure about the Hillborne. I'm between 172 and 178 depending on the day. I 
run Giant brand tubes because that's what my LBS has in the correct size. I 
think I ran some of the lightweight Schwalbe tubes on my MB-2 with 
extra-light Rat Trap / Humptulips combo and never had a flat (tho I didn't 
ride that bike a ton). 

I have a very cheap Schwinn pump with an accurate pressure gauge. The 
readings match up to my Meiser low pressure gauge exactly. 

I've considered tubeless but haven't tried it. Appaloosa has Cliffhangers 
so no problems there. The Hillborne's on Atlas rims which aren't tubeless 
ready though I know it's been done before. 

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 12:21:50 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for your thoughts, Eric!
>
> I'm definitely aware of the RH price pain, it's one of the main reasons I 
> hesitated to get the second set after the experience I had with the Naches 
> Pass on my Surly. I believe the total after shipping came close to that 
> $200 mark you mentioned for your Snoqualmie ELs. I'm interested in your 
> suggestion about the Antelope HIll tires, though... It's quite possible 
> that at the time I was riding the Naches Pass tires, I was still new to 
> tubeless setups and may have been running them at a higher pressure and 
> thus exposing them more readily to punctures. I have since begun running my 
> Super Yummys somewhere just above 25lbs (not a super accurate pump) and 
> have noticed that I've had fewer pinhole punctures, and less sealant 
> "weeping" out from between the treads than I did on the previous pair of 
> Super Yummys I had when I was running around 35lbs.
>
> Also thought to mention, I do run these tubeless. It's one of my 
> concesionssions to modernity on these otherwise retro grouch-y bikes; 
> tubeless tires and clipless pedals. I've really come to love the self 
> healing ability of sealant filled tires and the luxury of being able to 
> repair larger holes with plugs, negating the need for a spare tube but 
> still permitting the addition of a tube in my pack for longer self 
> supported adventures. Clipless pedals are a carry over from my criterium 
> racing days. I've ridden them for so long that it feels like I've forgotten 
> something every time I've tried to swap to flats on any bike except a true 
> town cruiser.
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:31 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ted — I like Rene Herse tires but refrain from recommending them 
>> simply because they're so darn expensive and the benefits of the casing 
>> might not be appreciated by all. I would just hate for someone to think 
>> "Eric recommended these expensive tires and I don't like 'em!" While I do 
>> enjoy them and stick with them I hesitate to tell anyone "You should run 
>> these tires!" Looks like you have some RH experience. If I was running the 
>> Super Yummys I'd be tempted to try the Antelope Hill...
>>
>> I run the Rene Herse Antelope Hill 700x55 with endurance casing on my 
>> 54cm Appaloosa. I've had one flat in the past two years of riding paved 
>> roads, gravel roads, dirt and trails. They're pretty fun! I enjoy riding 
>> them on long rides with lots of climbing and paved and unpaved surfaces. 
>> Feels great up on my Appaloosa, the Original Steel Couch. I also find all 
>> the volume to be pretty nice running errands and doing stuff around town. 
>>
>> On my Hillborne I run the Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700x44. I've ridden 
>> standard casing and the extra-lights. Much prefer the feel and speed of the 
>> extra-lights though they are a bit more prone to punctures. Had plenty of 
>> flats with the standard casing as well. Almost always from road debris, 
>> glass specifically, though I have picked up thorns and wire. 
>>
>> In terms of feel the RHs are great tires, especially in the EL and 
>> Endurance casings. I think the standard casing is just so-so. And again, 
>> the price is quite painful. I recently got a new set of Snoqualmie ELs for 
>> the Hillborne and it was $200 after shipping. 
>>
>> My sample size is limited, I've only run Rene Herse tires on my 
>> Rivendells. 
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:10:32 AM UTC-4 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just installed "cool weather boots" on my Atlantis, a set of Soma 
>>> Cazadero 700x50. I do love the handling with these tires compared to the 
>>> Soma SV 700x42s that were just on. It feels even more planted and solid 
>>> with the wider rubber, which is great for the time of yea

Re: [RBW] Another 26" Atlantis build

[Eric Marth]

Extremely good tones, Brian! 

Looks like a perfect fit. 

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:59:17 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow ! Nice work. I love the brown leather and gum walls. 
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 1:32 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike, Ryan. Good to go for decades!
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:40 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like these old 26"ers are getting a lot of love around here this 
>>> past week. I thought I'd share mine, even though I still have a bit of work 
>>> to get it to where I want it.
>>>
>>> I received this 54.5cm Toyo about two weeks ago, and have slowly been 
>>> adding and subtracting, with lots of bits mostly acquired from folks in 
>>> this community. The bike itself was in superb condition. I've taken it on a 
>>> couple of easy rides because the housing and cables are in dire need of 
>>> replacing, and I just haven't gotten around to that yet... but it rides 
>>> like a dream, and seems to fit me really well (I'm 5' 8", with a 83 PBH, 
>>> riding my saddle height at around 72cm).
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6529.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I added the RH 1.8" Naches Pass tires (measure at 41mm on these Mavic 
>>> X717 rims), installed some Berthoud fenders, and added that little Nitto 
>>> bag support on the rear. Next up is a front rack, some wider Noodles, and a 
>>> slightly longer stem.
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin'.
>>> -Brian
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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Eric Marth]

Hi Ted — I like Rene Herse tires but refrain from recommending them simply 
because they're so darn expensive and the benefits of the casing might not 
be appreciated by all. I would just hate for someone to think "Eric 
recommended these expensive tires and I don't like 'em!" While I do enjoy 
them and stick with them I hesitate to tell anyone "You should run these 
tires!" Looks like you have some RH experience. If I was running the Super 
Yummys I'd be tempted to try the Antelope Hill...

I run the Rene Herse Antelope Hill 700x55 with endurance casing on my 54cm 
Appaloosa. I've had one flat in the past two years of riding paved roads, 
gravel roads, dirt and trails. They're pretty fun! I enjoy riding them on 
long rides with lots of climbing and paved and unpaved surfaces. Feels 
great up on my Appaloosa, the Original Steel Couch. I also find all the 
volume to be pretty nice running errands and doing stuff around town. 

On my Hillborne I run the Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700x44. I've ridden 
standard casing and the extra-lights. Much prefer the feel and speed of the 
extra-lights though they are a bit more prone to punctures. Had plenty of 
flats with the standard casing as well. Almost always from road debris, 
glass specifically, though I have picked up thorns and wire. 

In terms of feel the RHs are great tires, especially in the EL and 
Endurance casings. I think the standard casing is just so-so. And again, 
the price is quite painful. I recently got a new set of Snoqualmie ELs for 
the Hillborne and it was $200 after shipping. 

My sample size is limited, I've only run Rene Herse tires on my Rivendells. 
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:10:32 AM UTC-4 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I just installed "cool weather boots" on my Atlantis, a set of Soma 
> Cazadero 700x50. I do love the handling with these tires compared to the 
> Soma SV 700x42s that were just on. It feels even more planted and solid 
> with the wider rubber, which is great for the time of year when cold and 
> wet come into play.
>
> Nick
> Falls Church VA
>
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:03:34 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 3:27:09 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Over the last few months, I've flatted three or four times on the RHes; 
>> clearly, the tread has worn thin. I was discussing the issue with a 
>> repairman at one of the local bike kitchens. He mentioned that GK Slicks 
>> hold up fine, but it takes a while for the rubber to cure - several months, 
>> or several hundred miles. Although that's in keeping with bike tire 
>> traditions ("inflate your new tubulars on a rim and age them over the 
>> winter" et al), it had never occurred to me that my shiny-new tires might 
>> take a period of aging to be fully ready for road use. I've reinstalled the 
>> GKs and put about 250 miles on them without incident. Maybe the intervening 
>> 20 months has aged the rubber enough to stand up to small road hazards? 
>> Fingers crossed...
>>
>>
>> That seems unlikely to be true. As for your unluckiness with flats, I 
>> think that's just a run of bad luck (running over glass at night). I have 
>> not noticed that new tires puncture any less frequently than old tires. I 
>> regularly run tires until the rubber wears away and I can see the nylon 
>> cords below.  What I do notice is that some tires (e.g., the Continental 
>> tires) have so much tread on them that the sidewalls are more likely to die 
>> than the tread to wear out. But that may be that I ride more off pavement 
>> on my tires than most, giving more opportunities to have cuts on the tire.
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: MB-2 frame, 26" dynamo wheels, RH tires, saddles, pedals, Suntour, Crust bars

[Eric Marth]

Another update :o) 

Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 

Single tire, less than 400 miles. Make an offer. 

Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15 

Brand new, unmounted

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:57:30 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> UPDATE 9/17/23 
>
> Here's what's left as of today. Thanks to everyone for helping me move 
> this build along!
>
> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75
>
> Problem Solvers Travel Agents (pair) — $25
>
> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>
> SR MTE-100 wayback seatpost, 26.8 — $75
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:25:20 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> A few things remaining: 
>>
>>
>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300
>>
>> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 
>>
>>
>> Problem Solvers Travel Agents (pair) — $25
>>
>> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>>
>> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:20:36 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — Quick update with some price reductions, here's what's left. 
>>> Thanks! 
>>>
>>> PHOTOS HERE 
>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>
>>>
>>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300
>>>
>>> Velocity Atlas 26” wheelset, Kasai dynamo hub, XTR rear hub — $400
>>>
>>> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 
>>>
>>> Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75
>>>
>>> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
>>>> The following have sold:
>>>>
>>>>- Suntour XC seatpost
>>>>- Selle Anatomica saddle
>>>>- Hite Rite
>>>>- Outer Shell stem bag
>>>>- Brass head badges
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all — I'm moving some things along. I posted this earlier and my 
>>>>> message disappeared. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Let me know if you 
>>>>> have any questions. Thanks! 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *PHOTOS HERE* 
>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
>>>>>
>>>>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $350
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a 21” frame with some modifications. I documented the build 
>>>>> process and frame modifications in this video 
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg>. Seat tube is 21” center to top. Top 
>>>>> tube is 23” center to center. Stout frame with rack braze-ons and bottle 
>>>>> bosses added to optimize hauling.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- 
>>>>>
>>>>>Rear spacing cold set to 135mm
>>>>>- 
>>>>>
>>>>>Hourglass braze-ons added to fork, 3cm below canti posts
>>>>>- 
>>>>>
>>>>>Hourglass braze-ons added to seat stays 5cm below canti posts
>>>>>- 
>>>>>
>>>>>Pump peg added to back side of seat tube just below seat lug
>>>>>- 
>>>>>
>>>>>Original cable routing removed from top tube, barrel cable stops 
>>>>>added at four o’clock position 
>>>>>- 
>>>>>
>>>>>Third bottle boss added to top of down tube
>>>>>- 
>>>>>
>>>>>Two bottle bosses added to underside of down tube
>>>>>- 
>>>>>
>>>>>Modern cable routing guide added to bottom bracket shell. Please 
>>>>>note: The cable guide is missing one of the small plastic retaining 
>>>>> arches. 
>>>>>The cable stayed in place for me but worth mentioning in case you want 
>>>>> to 
>>>>>replace the whole guide before assembling the bike. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the frame stripped to bare steel, then 

Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Paul — Looks like Ian had the bike built up as a complete by Riv. Are those 
54cm Noodles? They look wide! 

Hope you all had a nice outing. 

Eric

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 5:44:08 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Kim - the stone arch trail is in Westford, MA.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:54:34 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Very cool Dave. 
>> Where is this old rail line trail ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:00:29 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Got a nice ride in on the Platypus for the last day of Summer. Part of 
>>> the loop included an unpaved trail that used to be part of a rail line and 
>>> features a stone arch bridge.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230922_132606809_arch-1800.jpg]
>>> [image: PXL_20230922_133612399-arch-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230922_133730270-grafiti-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:53:53 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 The best part of riding on the road? The art, of course! (Apologies for 
 the spoiler.)
 [image: IMG_2007.jpeg]

 On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:20:01 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @ Takashi -
>
> I love the Pacific Northwest here in Washington state with all of the 
> mountains and trees. It may rain eight or nine months out the year. 
> However, when the sun is out and not too hot, It is absolutely glorious. 
>
> I wanted to keep riding further on the Willapa Hills Trail, but I did 
> not want to go too far beyond my limits. To experience such a beautiful 
> trail was amazing.
>
> I thank-you for your observation praise on my Clem.  
>
> I see that you have the same pedals as I do. Cool !  
>
> Have you considered buying some extension wings for your pedals  ?
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mks-monarch-extension
>
> They really do help. 
>
> Smiles to you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 6:04:02 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Kim, you live in a very beautiful place! It must have been fun to 
>> ride that trail.
>> And your Clem is gorgeous.
>>
>> Mid-September and it's still very hot here.
>> Soba (from which Japanese soba noodles are made) patches are in full 
>> bloom.
>>
>> [image: DSC03285.jpg]
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me repair Pam's Silver shifters

[Eric Marth]

I don't think the pawls wore out, necessarily, it's that they're missing 
from the shifters I received. 

What's more likely is the spring wore out. I found springs, haven't found 
pawls. 

Christian, I thought of Send Cut Send, as well, I've used them in the past. 
Hand cutting pawls is off the table, too involved! 

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:55:02 PM UTC-4 christian poppell wrote:

> I too am impressed that the pawls have worn out. I havent seen it 
> mentioned yet, what is the original material of the pawl?
>
> For 3d printing, Shapeways.com can print in a variety of materials with 
> good resolution and decent timeline. 
>
> For lasercutting, Sendcutsend.com is a good economical option if they have 
> a stock that matches the thickenss of the pawl. Resolution with laser 
> cutters is pretty good but oversizing the mating surface and filing to fit 
> would probably give the best result with the least amount of fiddling. 
> Might have to work around a minimum size requirement but you could gang a 
> few together with bridges. They have all sorts of materials in different 
> thicknesses.
>
> A jewelers saw, flat stock, and some paitence would do the same but theres 
> a little more skill involved. 
>
> If you need any help drawing it up for cutting shoot me a PM. Happy to 
> help get these shifters back on the road!
>
> Christian
> Phoenix, AZ
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:28:16 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Wes, Pam’s bike is a model of beausage. There is no Betty Foy used 
>> harder…maybe Caroline Gollum can give Pam a run for her money, but that’s 
>> about it. (Caroline wrote in a recent thread that her well-loved Betty had 
>> a stem seized and then later they discovered the skewer to the wheel was 
>> seized, too.) Pam just crossed over 74,000 miles on her Betty. Not bad for 
>> a bike purchased in 2011!
>>
>> Here is the 10 year anniversary post Pam did about her Betty. I’m sure 
>> that little bike is far more marked up now than it was in those photos.
>>
>> https://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>> Leah
>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 11:12:44 AM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> I am frankly amazed at the workout Pam is giving her bike, to wear out 
>>> multiple shifter pawls! I can imagine a few ways to do a repair, none of 
>>> which are "worth it", in terms of resource and money cost (3D printing, 
>>> filing down a bit of aluminum bar, CNC milling). The most expedient fix, 
>>> IMO, would be to epoxy the ratchet gear to the shifter body so that the 
>>> both directions work in friction mode.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 8:02:06 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all — I'm looking for some neglected, cast off or broken Silver 1 
 shifters to scavenge so that I can repair some broken Silver 1 shifters 
 sent to me by forum member Pam Murray. If you have some you aren't using 
 or 
 that you think are broken which you are willing to send me for the cost of 
 shipping please let me know. I will use them to repair Pam's shifters and 
 get them back to her! 

 I recently read enjoyed Pam's thread on broken Silver shifters 
 .
  
 And right on time one of my Silvers broke. So I took mine apart to have a 
 look. It turns out the spring was clogged with corrosion and wouldn't 
 compress, allowing for the pawl to hold the ratchet wheel and hold tension 
 on the shifter cable. Luckily the spring and pawl only needed to be 
 cleaned 
 and reassembled. 

 Pam sent me three broken Silver shifters. As many of us know, Pam has 
 put tens of thousands of miles on her legendary Betty Foy. She's worn out 
 many parts and she's interested in getting them back into service when 
 possible. I took a look and was able to fix one of the shifters. The other 
 two require new pawls, which I can't locate. 

 [image: Screenshot 2023-09-19 at 10.59.05 PM.png]

 I reached out to Dia Compe in Taiwan about spare parts. They replied 
 quickly but said they could not send me any bits and pieces and suggested 
 I 
 contact Rivendell. 

 So I wrote to Will Keating at Rivendell, who's a wonderfully helpful 
 and nice guy and a friend and he said he'd send me some parts. Well, they 
 arrived today and they're *brand new* Silver 2 levers. I really don't 
 want to destroy brand new shifters to revive old shifters! I'm sure the 
 pawls I need are inside but I can't bring myself to tear them apart. 
 They've very definitely never been installed on a bike. 

 I have found some replacement springs from McMaster-Carr 
 . They're heavier gauge wire and 
 slightly longer than the stock springs from Dia Compe. But they fit and 
 they work. They do result in a lever with 

[RBW] Re: Help me repair Pam's Silver shifters

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Michael. IIRC the Silver 1s are copied from the Suntour Sprint 
downtube levers. From this diagram it looks like the design of the Silver 
levers is very similar. But the depiction of the pawl (No. 3, "Ratchet 
spring A) looks considerably different than the Silver pawl. It could be 
that other ratcheting Suntour levers contain the parts I require. 

The real bear of the Bar Cons is item No. 15, the hexagonal axle nut! 
There's someone on iBOB who 3D printed some. 

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 10:34:08 AM UTC-4 Michael Hammer wrote:

> The mechanism looks almost identical to the Suntour Barcon (of course) so 
> broken Barcons might be a source of parts.  In addition the stem or 
> downtube mounted Suntour power ratchet shifters might also have the 
> spring.  See velobase here: 
> https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=39b0c9b8-10d7-4324-8bf4-f65eca2d209a=104
>   
> The power ratchets might be found at a bike recycling place.  Here's a 
> diagram of the barcon:
> [image: NOS Pair 2 SUNTOUR Bar End Shifters BAR-CON Parts Pods Body 
> Ratchet Covers Tour - Picture 1 of 8]
>
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 6:17:05 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great idea about 3D printing, Peter! I'll reach out to Riv on the off 
>> chance they can get me the file I need. 
>>
>> Our local library has a maker space with a 3D scanner and 3D printers, so 
>> I can go get certified and see if I can make some stuff! It's about a 5 
>> minute walk for me. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 2:37:23 AM UTC-4 Peter Adler wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like a task tailor-made for 3D printing. The ideal situation 
>>> would be if Dia-Compe would send you the 3D file that they almost certainly 
>>> have, but I'm sure that (rational) liability concerns will prevent this.
>>>
>>> Peter Adler
>>> no longer professionally engaged in the 
>>> rich-people-suing-other-rich-people industry, but still aware of the 
>>> thought processes in
>>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 8:02:06 PM UTC-7 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
>>> My plan, once I locate some pawls, is to make a Silver shifter repair 
>>> and maintenance video.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me repair Pam's Silver shifters

[Eric Marth]

Great idea about 3D printing, Peter! I'll reach out to Riv on the off 
chance they can get me the file I need. 

Our local library has a maker space with a 3D scanner and 3D printers, so I 
can go get certified and see if I can make some stuff! It's about a 5 
minute walk for me. 

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 2:37:23 AM UTC-4 Peter Adler wrote:

> Sounds like a task tailor-made for 3D printing. The ideal situation would 
> be if Dia-Compe would send you the 3D file that they almost certainly have, 
> but I'm sure that (rational) liability concerns will prevent this.
>
> Peter Adler
> no longer professionally engaged in the 
> rich-people-suing-other-rich-people industry, but still aware of the 
> thought processes in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 8:02:06 PM UTC-7 Eric Marth wrote:
>
> My plan, once I locate some pawls, is to make a Silver shifter repair and 
> maintenance video.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: For sale: SR MTE-100 wayback seatpost, 26.8

[Eric Marth]

Seatpost is sold, thanks! 

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> How about $75 shipped?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 4:36:31 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_7415.JPG]
>>
>> Hi all — Asking $100 plus shipping for the seatpost. SR MTE-100 in the 
>> 26.8 diameter. Fits most Rivs. Includes the original quick release clamp 
>> which I didn't care for. I replaced it with an M8 bolt, a lock washer and a 
>> nylock nut. 
>>
>> PayPal Friends and/or Family and Venmo preferred. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> [image: IMG_7416.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_7417.JPG]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: MB-2 frame, 26" dynamo wheels, RH tires, saddles, pedals, Suntour, Crust bars

[Eric Marth]

UPDATE 9/17/23 

Here's what's left as of today. Thanks to everyone for helping me move this 
build along!

Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75

Problem Solvers Travel Agents (pair) — $25

Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15

SR MTE-100 wayback seatpost, 26.8 — $75
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:25:20 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> A few things remaining: 
>
>
> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300
>
> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 
>
>
> Problem Solvers Travel Agents (pair) — $25
>
> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:20:36 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hi all — Quick update with some price reductions, here's what's left. 
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> PHOTOS HERE 
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>
>>
>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300
>>
>> Velocity Atlas 26” wheelset, Kasai dynamo hub, XTR rear hub — $400
>>
>> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 
>>
>> Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75
>>
>> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> The following have sold:
>>>
>>>- Suntour XC seatpost
>>>- Selle Anatomica saddle
>>>- Hite Rite
>>>- Outer Shell stem bag
>>>- Brass head badges
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all — I'm moving some things along. I posted this earlier and my 
>>>> message disappeared. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Let me know if you 
>>>> have any questions. Thanks! 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *PHOTOS HERE* 
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $350
>>>>
>>>> This is a 21” frame with some modifications. I documented the build 
>>>> process and frame modifications in this video 
>>>> <https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg>. Seat tube is 21” center to top. Top 
>>>> tube is 23” center to center. Stout frame with rack braze-ons and bottle 
>>>> bosses added to optimize hauling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- 
>>>>
>>>>Rear spacing cold set to 135mm
>>>>- 
>>>>
>>>>Hourglass braze-ons added to fork, 3cm below canti posts
>>>>- 
>>>>
>>>>Hourglass braze-ons added to seat stays 5cm below canti posts
>>>>- 
>>>>
>>>>Pump peg added to back side of seat tube just below seat lug
>>>>- 
>>>>
>>>>Original cable routing removed from top tube, barrel cable stops 
>>>>added at four o’clock position 
>>>>- 
>>>>
>>>>Third bottle boss added to top of down tube
>>>>- 
>>>>
>>>>Two bottle bosses added to underside of down tube
>>>>- 
>>>>
>>>>Modern cable routing guide added to bottom bracket shell. Please 
>>>>note: The cable guide is missing one of the small plastic retaining 
>>>> arches. 
>>>>The cable stayed in place for me but worth mentioning in case you want 
>>>> to 
>>>>replace the whole guide before assembling the bike. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had the frame stripped to bare steel, then I treated it with a series 
>>>> of metal patinas to develop a surface rust finish. Then I coated the frame 
>>>> with clear lacquer and finished with two coats of Renaissance Wax. The 
>>>> frame has developed some surface rust over the finish which I’ve treated 
>>>> with a light round of sanding with a Scotch Brite followed by a light coat 
>>>> of Boeshield. Frame treated inside with Frame Saver. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The frame is a rich brown and looks lighter in real life than in the 
>>>> pictures. It is much darker in the photos here. You can get a better idea 
>>>> of color in the build video.
>>>&

[RBW] Re: For sale: SR MTE-100 wayback seatpost, 26.8

[Eric Marth]

How about $75 shipped?

Thanks!

On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 4:36:31 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: IMG_7415.JPG]
>
> Hi all — Asking $100 plus shipping for the seatpost. SR MTE-100 in the 
> 26.8 diameter. Fits most Rivs. Includes the original quick release clamp 
> which I didn't care for. I replaced it with an M8 bolt, a lock washer and a 
> nylock nut. 
>
> PayPal Friends and/or Family and Venmo preferred. 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> [image: IMG_7416.JPG]
> [image: IMG_7417.JPG]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Eric Marth]

John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden intent. 
I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the gesture. 
However there is no telling what people can and will do with a database 
like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would never add my 
street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who had two valuable 
Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their home address 
was visible on Strava. 

It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to find 
here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of the 
forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam sales 
there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And, 
again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet 
connect. 

Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board 
members. 

Eric 
Fredericksburg, USA 




On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Good morning Kim and all,
>>
>> Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it 
>> means that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all the 
>> data as well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think it's 
>> cool?
>>
>> Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen from 
>> their garage?
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, 
>> innocent idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the 
>> reality of our world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best in 
>> people, and such efforts are born from this.  
>>
>> I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers 
>> listed I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more secure.
>>
>> Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or to 
>> change your address to a cross street or a taco stand.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be 
>>> careful out there y’all
>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the 
>>>> odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why 
>>>> risk it?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and 
>>>>> snag their Rivs out of their sheds! 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello John Rinker ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I noticed this just a while ago:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no association with the OP whatsoever. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>>>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Eric Marth]

I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and snag 
their Rivs out of their sheds! 


On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hello John Rinker ..
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> I noticed this just a while ago:
>>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/
>>
>> I have no association with the OP whatsoever. 
>>
>> Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: MB-2 frame, 26" dynamo wheels, RH tires, saddles, pedals, Suntour, Crust bars

[Eric Marth]

A few things remaining: 


1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300

Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 


Problem Solvers Travel Agents (pair) — $25

Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:20:36 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — Quick update with some price reductions, here's what's left. 
> Thanks! 
>
> PHOTOS HERE 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>
>
> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300
>
> Velocity Atlas 26” wheelset, Kasai dynamo hub, XTR rear hub — $400
>
> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 
>
> Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75
>
> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> The following have sold:
>>
>>- Suntour XC seatpost
>>- Selle Anatomica saddle
>>- Hite Rite
>>- Outer Shell stem bag
>>- Brass head badges
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — I'm moving some things along. I posted this earlier and my 
>>> message disappeared. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Let me know if you 
>>> have any questions. Thanks! 
>>>
>>>
>>> *PHOTOS HERE* 
>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
>>>
>>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $350
>>>
>>> This is a 21” frame with some modifications. I documented the build 
>>> process and frame modifications in this video 
>>> <https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg>. Seat tube is 21” center to top. Top 
>>> tube is 23” center to center. Stout frame with rack braze-ons and bottle 
>>> bosses added to optimize hauling.
>>>
>>>
>>>- 
>>>
>>>Rear spacing cold set to 135mm
>>>- 
>>>
>>>Hourglass braze-ons added to fork, 3cm below canti posts
>>>- 
>>>
>>>Hourglass braze-ons added to seat stays 5cm below canti posts
>>>- 
>>>
>>>Pump peg added to back side of seat tube just below seat lug
>>>- 
>>>
>>>Original cable routing removed from top tube, barrel cable stops 
>>>added at four o’clock position 
>>>- 
>>>
>>>Third bottle boss added to top of down tube
>>>- 
>>>
>>>Two bottle bosses added to underside of down tube
>>>- 
>>>
>>>Modern cable routing guide added to bottom bracket shell. Please 
>>>note: The cable guide is missing one of the small plastic retaining 
>>> arches. 
>>>The cable stayed in place for me but worth mentioning in case you want 
>>> to 
>>>replace the whole guide before assembling the bike. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I had the frame stripped to bare steel, then I treated it with a series 
>>> of metal patinas to develop a surface rust finish. Then I coated the frame 
>>> with clear lacquer and finished with two coats of Renaissance Wax. The 
>>> frame has developed some surface rust over the finish which I’ve treated 
>>> with a light round of sanding with a Scotch Brite followed by a light coat 
>>> of Boeshield. Frame treated inside with Frame Saver. 
>>>
>>>
>>> The frame is a rich brown and looks lighter in real life than in the 
>>> pictures. It is much darker in the photos here. You can get a better idea 
>>> of color in the build video.
>>>
>>> WTB Grease Guard headset installed. I purchased this headset as NOS from 
>>> Jacque Phelan and I have the original box available which is signed by 
>>> Charlie Cunningham. Headset box included if you want it. Virtually zero 
>>> stack in the headset (same as with the headset that came with the bike). A 
>>> stem or handlebar mounted cable hanger will be required if you’re running 
>>> cantilevers. 
>>>
>>> Includes a custom brass Bridgestone head badge. It’s attached with 
>>> double-sided 3M emblem tape. 
>>>
>>> Local pickup in Virginia would be great but I can and will ship. Let me 
>>> know your zip and we can figure it out. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_7284.JPG]
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Eric Marth]

Hi Leah,  I'm certain a lot of men on this forum and others who ride bikes 
think plenty about clothes that work for bike riding. Grant Petersen, who 
is a man, has had lots of clothing custom made for Rivendell during the 
entire run of the company. Wool layers, custom pants, shorts, hats. If you 
look at pictures Grant is pretty much always dressed 100% in clothing he 
designed himself. 

As much as non-bike clothing is espoused by Grant and Rivendell, when we 
wear clothes that are good for riding we are wearing bicycle-specific 
clothing at the end of the day. I do this as well and get dressed to be 
comfortable on my bike all the time. It's not a nylon jersey and clicky 
shoes but I make sure the stuff I wear is good on the bike. 

Most of my everyday clothes are good for errands. I do like to avoid stuff 
that looks like "bicycle kit", (don't like neon, don't like bright colors, 
don't like lots of logos) and I avoid lycra and nylon when I can. But I 
wear shoes, shorts, undies and shirts that I find comfy while riding. I 
change my clothes a lot. If it's 90º and I'm going on a thirty mile ride 
I'll grab my nylon bibs and a light wool shirt and put on a certain pair of 
socks and shoes. 

I really wish I could wear canvas shorts on summer rides. But I might be 
abnormally sweaty. The shorts just get soaked through with sweat, the 
fabric gets plastered to the leather Brooks beneath me and I can't slide 
around on my saddle. It's a chafing nightmare. Crust just came out with a new 
canvas short 
 
designed for riding with a 6" inseam. They look awesome! But at $155 I 
don't think I will throw down. I'm sure it's a fair price considering what 
they cost to manufacture, they are made in Los Angeles. On longer rides I 
prefer bibs when it's super hot & humid. This has been a real discovery and 
revelation for me this summer and has made hot rides way more tolerable for 
me. And I love my 100% wool Kucharik shorts that I tore the pad out from. 

Because I run errands on my bike almost every day, often short trips of 
less than two miles, I think about what clothing works well on the bike a 
lot. I run to the bank, my office, job sites,  the grocery, the post 
office, the hardware store. In the summer it's easy. Almost any shorts and 
some sandals. When it's cold pants can become a problem. I hate getting 
grease all over my pants! I also dislike leg bands, too much hassle for me.

One solution that works for me is "slim straight" pants like Stan Ray Easy 
Chinos or LL Bean chinos in a slim or straight fit. They're comfy enough 
for riding and slim enough that grease interference isn't a problem. I've 
retired entire groups of pants that I liked because I couldn't keep them 
away from grease. If I had a regular bicycle commute and had a job with a 
dress code I'd probably regularly wear some slim-straight pants with 2% 
spandex blended in and be sure to keep a few extra tees and button downs 
along with a stack of clean bandanas at the office. 

Here's a grease removal tip that worked for me: Take your greasy pants and 
clean them with Phil hand cleaner and a stiff brush in the sink before 
putting them in the washer. Scrub the Phil in dry, rinse in the sink. Then 
wash em. I get 98% of the grease out of my pants this way. 

I didn't learn about "tight rolling" jeans until I was in college circa 
2004. Never heard it referred to as "pegging." 

I like linen quite a lot but when it's super hot and humid, as it has been 
for much of the summer here in Virginia, I sweat through the linen and it 
just sits on me like a big wet towel. I think 100% merino in different cuts 
like tees, sleeveless tees or singlets are great for hot weather. 

I like wool all year. When it's cooler I like a merino turtleneck, merino 
tights. Sometimes I wear big wool sweaters and get thoroughly overheated. 

As for bicycle style my personal favorite point of reference are classical 
French cyclotourists in short cotton shorts and cotton or wool tops, like 
this picture of Jean Dejeans and Paulette Porthault. Not sure how it looks 
to you but it is timeless to me.  

[image: 43_chanteloup_tandem.jpg]
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:30:16 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I feel like Sally has just given us all an invitation to post our cute 
> bike outfits. 
>
> You know what to do. Fine, me first.
>
> 1. This jumpsuit from LL Bean, which coordinated with my Platypus.
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> 2. This New Bike Day photo of my raspberry Platypus in 2020 - see? Those 
> were the boots-in-jeans days and weren’t they practical?
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> 3. Summer in ‘23 on a Rivendell Ride; you can wear anything in summer and 
> it works on the bike. Shorts and sun shirt with tank layered underneath.
> [image: image3.jpeg]
>
> 4. Rare sighting of my neglected Clem. Linen shirt . Linen shirts forever!
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my 

[RBW] Re: FS: MB-2 frame, 26" dynamo wheels, RH tires, saddles, pedals, Suntour, Crust bars

[Eric Marth]

Hi all — Quick update with some price reductions, here's what's left. 
Thanks! 

PHOTOS HERE 
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>

1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300

Velocity Atlas 26” wheelset, Kasai dynamo hub, XTR rear hub — $400

Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 

Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75

Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15


On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> The following have sold:
>
>- Suntour XC seatpost
>- Selle Anatomica saddle
>- Hite Rite
>- Outer Shell stem bag
>- Brass head badges
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hi all — I'm moving some things along. I posted this earlier and my 
>> message disappeared. 
>>
>>
>> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Let me know if you have 
>> any questions. Thanks! 
>>
>>
>> *PHOTOS HERE* 
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>
>>
>> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
>>
>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $350
>>
>> This is a 21” frame with some modifications. I documented the build 
>> process and frame modifications in this video 
>> <https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg>. Seat tube is 21” center to top. Top tube 
>> is 23” center to center. Stout frame with rack braze-ons and bottle bosses 
>> added to optimize hauling.
>>
>>
>>- 
>>
>>Rear spacing cold set to 135mm
>>- 
>>
>>Hourglass braze-ons added to fork, 3cm below canti posts
>>- 
>>
>>Hourglass braze-ons added to seat stays 5cm below canti posts
>>- 
>>
>>Pump peg added to back side of seat tube just below seat lug
>>- 
>>
>>Original cable routing removed from top tube, barrel cable stops 
>>added at four o’clock position 
>>- 
>>
>>Third bottle boss added to top of down tube
>>- 
>>
>>Two bottle bosses added to underside of down tube
>>- 
>>
>>Modern cable routing guide added to bottom bracket shell. Please 
>>note: The cable guide is missing one of the small plastic retaining 
>> arches. 
>>The cable stayed in place for me but worth mentioning in case you want to 
>>replace the whole guide before assembling the bike. 
>>
>>
>> I had the frame stripped to bare steel, then I treated it with a series 
>> of metal patinas to develop a surface rust finish. Then I coated the frame 
>> with clear lacquer and finished with two coats of Renaissance Wax. The 
>> frame has developed some surface rust over the finish which I’ve treated 
>> with a light round of sanding with a Scotch Brite followed by a light coat 
>> of Boeshield. Frame treated inside with Frame Saver. 
>>
>>
>> The frame is a rich brown and looks lighter in real life than in the 
>> pictures. It is much darker in the photos here. You can get a better idea 
>> of color in the build video.
>>
>> WTB Grease Guard headset installed. I purchased this headset as NOS from 
>> Jacque Phelan and I have the original box available which is signed by 
>> Charlie Cunningham. Headset box included if you want it. Virtually zero 
>> stack in the headset (same as with the headset that came with the bike). A 
>> stem or handlebar mounted cable hanger will be required if you’re running 
>> cantilevers. 
>>
>> Includes a custom brass Bridgestone head badge. It’s attached with 
>> double-sided 3M emblem tape. 
>>
>> Local pickup in Virginia would be great but I can and will ship. Let me 
>> know your zip and we can figure it out. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_7284.JPG]
>>
>> Velocity Atlas 26” wheelset, Kasai dynamo hub, XTR rear hub — $500
>>
>> 100/135 spacing with 32H wheels front and back. Wheelset has about 400 
>> miles on it. Front wheel was built by Rich Lesnik of Hands on Wheels and 
>> Rivendell. Rear wheel built with an XTR M900 hub by Andre at Bike Works. 
>> Rear wheel built with raw brass spoke nipples from Sim Works. Skewers are 
>> not included. Tires not included, shown mounted for illustration. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_7309.JPG]
>>
>> Brooks Conquest saddle — $75
>>
>> The discontinued Brooks Conquest in black leather. Big copper rivets 
>> showing some weathering. Broken in, springs are bouncy. More narrow through 
>> the 

[RBW] Re: Broken shifters

[Eric Marth]

My drive-side Silver 1 shifter quit holding tension last week. This was 
after two years of regular use on my most-ridden bike, a Sam Hillborne. I 
swapped the shifter for a Silver 2 and kept on riding. 

Last night, inspired by this thread, I took my shifter apart. Apologies 
ahead of time but I didn't take any pictures. The pawl and spring were 
clogged up with cloudy white corrosion. The corrosion caused the spring to 
seize and that lead to no movement in the pawl, disabling the ratchet. I 
removed all the parts, brushed them with a brass parts cleaning brush and 
rubbed the spring, pawl and inner parts with an oily rag. I haven't 
re-installed the lever but the clicks have returned and it appears to be 
working again. 

Today I measured the spring with my calipers and ordered some replacement 
springs in two different sizes. I had a hard time finding a perfect match 
for the existing spring which appears to match imperial measurements. OD: 
1/8", overall length: 5/16". The wire gauge is 0.3mm. The springs I ordered 
are very close to my shifter spring, one size is a little shorter, the 
other is a little longer. I'll report back on which fits best. 

I'm encouraged by my disassembly and feel confident these shifters are 
repairable. Though I'm unaware of a source for replacement pawls. Are they 
out there? 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:19:49 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> [image: IMG_3819.JPG]
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:05:37 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I took one apart.  It's missing the little spring.  Not sure where I can 
>> find one.  If anyone has one, I'd like to try to fix this one.  The other 
>> one I can't get apart to look at the innards but I think it was missing a 
>> washer so maybe that was the problem.  I think maybe it needed more 
>> friction to hold it together maybe?  I've already replaced it so I'll try 
>> it next time.  
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:06 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I just want to fix them if possible.  I hate throwing stuff away.  These 
>>> are definitely not set up errors as they were operable then after several 
>>> falls over the years they broke.  They would work for years then break.  I 
>>> can replace them and have but now I have several broken ones.  I will take 
>>> one apart and see what it looks like.  I didn't want to do more damage than 
>>> already.  I will find someone to help me.  Thanks all!
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The OP has repeated that they are not mechanical.  The thing that isn't 
 clear to me is whether the OP wants to be mechanical.  If you have a bunch 
 of broken shifters, and want to learn how mechanical people visualize a 
 mechanism working and how they use that knowledge to diagnose and remedy 
 failures, then it sounds like the OP needs a mechanical mentor.  You 
 should 
 find somebody who you trust and who is generous with their time and want 
 to 
 describe their process to you.  Have them take one apart with you 
 watching.  Have them explain what they are seeing and what they think they 
 want to do to fix your shifter(s), or tell you they are all hosed and 
 throw 
 them away.  It's hard to be a mentor over a google group.  Mentorship 
 happens in-person.  

 If you can't find or don't want to find a mentor, maybe you want 
 somebody to just try to fix them for you so you don't have to think about 
 it?  Again, that person should be somebody you trust, so if they say 
 "these 
 are hosed" you won't feel like it's a waste throwing them out.  Again, it 
 would be nice if it was somebody who was either generous or owed you a 
 favor so that if they succeed, it's free, and if they fail, it's still 
 free.  People who work on things for a living are usually $50/hr to 
 $100/hr 
 pros and there's no way this project will be worth paying a pro what they 
 deserve to be paid.  Maybe there's a volunteer here who you'd mail your 
 shifters to, and they can mail them back fixed.  

 I don't know this for certain, but I think there's a non-zero chance 
 that they are not even broken.  The symptom described could be just a 
 setup 
 issue, as I understand it.  The mechanic who does the diagnosis would be 
 able to be conclusive on that.  

 If you do decide your shifters are hosed, I recommend you upcycle them 
 into key chains.  Shift levers make great keychains.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:00:15 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Thanks all for your comments.  I think it's the press fit thing that 
> holds it together but I haven't gone beyond that.  I'll take one apart 
> and 
> see.  I'm not mechanical so who would be able to put a screw in there for 
> me?  I just need to know what to ask for.  I can see the press fit thing 

[RBW] Re: FS: MB-2 frame, 26" dynamo wheels, RH tires, saddles, pedals, Suntour, Crust bars

[Eric Marth]

The following have sold:

   - Suntour XC seatpost
   - Selle Anatomica saddle
   - Hite Rite
   - Outer Shell stem bag
   - Brass head badges


On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — I'm moving some things along. I posted this earlier and my 
> message disappeared. 
>
>
> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Let me know if you have 
> any questions. Thanks! 
>
>
> *PHOTOS HERE* 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s3C2-rpQrZLPrXACYq5xv7NEkwILcIv2?usp=sharing>
>
> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
>
> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $350
>
> This is a 21” frame with some modifications. I documented the build 
> process and frame modifications in this video 
> <https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg>. Seat tube is 21” center to top. Top tube 
> is 23” center to center. Stout frame with rack braze-ons and bottle bosses 
> added to optimize hauling.
>
>
>- 
>
>Rear spacing cold set to 135mm
>- 
>
>Hourglass braze-ons added to fork, 3cm below canti posts
>- 
>
>Hourglass braze-ons added to seat stays 5cm below canti posts
>- 
>
>Pump peg added to back side of seat tube just below seat lug
>- 
>
>Original cable routing removed from top tube, barrel cable stops added 
>at four o’clock position 
>- 
>
>Third bottle boss added to top of down tube
>- 
>
>Two bottle bosses added to underside of down tube
>- 
>
>Modern cable routing guide added to bottom bracket shell. Please note: 
>The cable guide is missing one of the small plastic retaining arches. The 
>cable stayed in place for me but worth mentioning in case you want to 
>replace the whole guide before assembling the bike. 
>
>
> I had the frame stripped to bare steel, then I treated it with a series of 
> metal patinas to develop a surface rust finish. Then I coated the frame 
> with clear lacquer and finished with two coats of Renaissance Wax. The 
> frame has developed some surface rust over the finish which I’ve treated 
> with a light round of sanding with a Scotch Brite followed by a light coat 
> of Boeshield. Frame treated inside with Frame Saver. 
>
>
> The frame is a rich brown and looks lighter in real life than in the 
> pictures. It is much darker in the photos here. You can get a better idea 
> of color in the build video.
>
> WTB Grease Guard headset installed. I purchased this headset as NOS from 
> Jacque Phelan and I have the original box available which is signed by 
> Charlie Cunningham. Headset box included if you want it. Virtually zero 
> stack in the headset (same as with the headset that came with the bike). A 
> stem or handlebar mounted cable hanger will be required if you’re running 
> cantilevers. 
>
> Includes a custom brass Bridgestone head badge. It’s attached with 
> double-sided 3M emblem tape. 
>
> Local pickup in Virginia would be great but I can and will ship. Let me 
> know your zip and we can figure it out. 
>
> [image: IMG_7284.JPG]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26” wheelset, Kasai dynamo hub, XTR rear hub — $500
>
> 100/135 spacing with 32H wheels front and back. Wheelset has about 400 
> miles on it. Front wheel was built by Rich Lesnik of Hands on Wheels and 
> Rivendell. Rear wheel built with an XTR M900 hub by Andre at Bike Works. 
> Rear wheel built with raw brass spoke nipples from Sim Works. Skewers are 
> not included. Tires not included, shown mounted for illustration. 
>
> [image: IMG_7309.JPG]
>
> Brooks Conquest saddle — $75
>
> The discontinued Brooks Conquest in black leather. Big copper rivets 
> showing some weathering. Broken in, springs are bouncy. More narrow through 
> the body than the sprung B17. 
>
> Hite Rite dropper spring — $40
>
> The *original* dropper spring. 
>
> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $80
>
> Has about 400 miles on it, in nice shape, nice tread. Rubber whiskers. 
> Extralight casing. Price is for one tire (only have one Rat Trap Pass 
> available). 
>
> Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge extralight (26 x 2.3) — $80
>
> Has about 400 miles on it, same as above. Extralight casing. Rubber 
> whiskers still present. Price is for one tire (only have one Humptulips 
> available). 
>
> Suntour Bar-cons – $45
>
> Barcons, all parts accounted for. 
>
> MKS XC-III / bear trap pedals — $45 
>
> Silver, made by MKS. Some scrapes on the outside of the cages. 
>
> Suntour XC Pro seatpost, 26.8 — $75
>
> Two-bolt design, great seatpost. Some scratches. 
>
> Nitto dirt drop stem, 10cm — $45
>
> Some scratches. 
>
> [image: IMG_7324.JP

[RBW] Re: FS: Italian linen shirts for riding

[Eric Marth]

And sold. Thanks for all the interest, everyone!

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:01:18 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> PM Sent!  I'll buy them
>
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:51:42 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello friends — I have two linen button down shirts for sale. Asking $15 
>> each plus shipping to you. They're both made in Italy and 100% linen, no 
>> issues. 
>>
>> These are labeled a large but they fit much larger. Please see 
>> measurements for best fit. I really wish they fit me but they're just way 
>> too big. Really nice subtle colors and textures. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_7151.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_7152.JPG]
>>
>> Tan linen shirt by Aire
>> Camp collar
>> Pit to pit: 24"
>> Top of shoulder to bottom hem: 34"
>>
>> [image: IMG_7155.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_7156.JPG]
>>
>> Blue linen shirt by Aire
>> Oxford collar
>> Pit to pit: 24"
>> Top of shoulder to bottom hem: 32" 
>>
>> [image: IMG_7159.JPG]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Eric Marth]

An unusual Homer! Double tube, darker blue than I'm used to seeing. Nice 
build. Oddly the listing makes no mention of the 3x1 drivetrain.

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:16:12 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Cheviot f/f/hs
> 60cm
> Tulsa, Okay 
> Auction: https://www.ebay.com/itm/115901802895
>
> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 10:23:27 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> Bike Recyclery has a NOS 60cm Yves Gomez for $1499.99
>>
>>
>> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-rivendell-yves-gomez-betty-foy-frameset-fork-hs-br-bb-60cm-700c-fenders-racks-heart-cutout-lugs-black-white-gold/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:50:33 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> A. Homer Hilsen (curved 2TT!)
>>> 64cm
>>> 3400
>>> East Hampton, NY
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/404463031464
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[Eric Marth]

Wow that Heron is deluxe as hell! 

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Another local sale only and no mention of Rivendell in the ad: 
>
> 56 Heron $2,650 in Adrian Michigan
>
>
> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/adrian-heron-by-waterford/7659634840.html
>
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> 
>> PSA
>> There’s a beautiful silver 60 Bombadil on the FB group. Lots of bling 
>> asking is $4,800 in the Pacific NW (local sale only)
>> Max
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Just reposted on the list by our mutual friend Jason for $1750, too low 
>> IMO.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:30 PM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>
>>> This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a 
>>> proxy. Listed on Craigslist now: 
>>> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor my 
 size:
 https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Eric Marth]

Hi Matt — Welcome! And I hope you find a Platypus that fits you well. Where 
are you located? Maybe we can help find someone in your area so you can 
have a test ride before you buy a frame. I think a 55, as you say, would be 
more versatile. 

I have a 2009 Hillborne that's a 57cm and a 2021 Appaloosa that's a 54cm. 
Got the Hillborne used and the sizing worked out. Before I bought the 
Appaloosa I called Riv and I was between sizes. Grant said to go 54 instead 
of 57. I'm glad I did, that was the right call for me. 

As far as saddle height, it can take some time to figure it all out. Fore, 
aft, tilt, setback, height! For years I was convinced I needed tons of 
setback to be comfortable. But recently on my Hillborne I set my saddle 
higher than normal and moved it closer and now I'm more comfortable and 
markedly *faster*. No science or precision details to share but do 
experiment. I find the PBH minus 10-11cm to be a good starting place. The 
thickness of the soles of your shoes makes a difference, too. 

Best of luck and let us know if you find a bike!
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:08:52 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It may work for some but I have never been comfortable going by riv's 
> sizing standards of going big.
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 1:30:23 AM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>
>> I just pushed my saddle height to 73 and was pretty comfortable, so the 
>> 60 might be within reach according to Will. I've spent so long on 
>> recumbents and Bromptons that I haven't really needed to know the optimum 
>> height. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:58:38 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Tall guy! 
>>>
>>> If you’re in NJ or eastern PA, Delaware area you’re welcome to try my 
>>> bike. At that height, you might be able to do a 60. It is pretty big 
>>> though. I’m 5’7”. Maybe my pbh is 82?  It’s one of those two numbers.  I’ll 
>>> post pics and measurements when I can get to my bike.  
>>>
>>> Roberta. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:24 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Roberta. This experiential data is very useful. I'm 5'11 with 
 long-ish arms and torso, but a 60cm does look a little too large. I can 
 ride a saddle height of 73cm, but I'm just as happy at 72cm, so the 55cm 
 seems to be more versatile.

 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Welcome. 
>
> I use the heel to pedal method also for saddle height, and modify as 
> needed.
>
> My PBH is also 83 and I ride a 55 Platypus, which is perfect. Years 
> ago I test rode a 60 Cheviot and it was way too big. I think 55 is your 
> size. 
>
> Roberta, Philadelphia
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>
>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today 
>> about a Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self 
>> measured - pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently 
>> riding an ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so 
>> I'm 
>> not sure the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a 
>> real 
>> bicycle. Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>
>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next 
>> stock. 
>>
>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[Eric Marth]

David: Good point on the 65cm Toscos, forgot about those! 

Other monster swept back bars: the Albacore bar 

 
from Hope has on offer, the Golden Pliers x Sim Works x Nitto Ramble Bar 
 and Doom 
Bars  has some stock models but I've heard 
they do custom sizes, shapes and bends. 

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:37:56 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>
> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross throughout 
> the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far forward as 
> the Albatross).
>
> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>
> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>
> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>
>> Thanks hive mind!
>>
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the notes, everyone. 

Ted: By proper cycling shoes I mean something that takes a cleat and lets 
you fit your big old EEE in there comfortably. I haven't tried any clipless 
pedals but I've been curious. Part of my research has been seeking out an 
appropriate shoe. Watching your foot spill over and obscure the insole is 
really something. That's a great tip for a check of the true size of the 
shoe. 

Definitely see the advantages of flat pedals for longer rides and general 
practicality. Regarding regular shoes for bikes, I've found that a plain 
old Samba in size 11.5 works well enough for me with flat pedals. Maybe the 
Velo Samba would suit me. I also like the Bedrock cairn sandals with the 
flat footbed. Sometimes I can dig Blundstones but I usually forget to raise 
my saddle enough to accommodate them and I'm a little less comfortable 
riding. While I like Birks I don't find them particularly good for riding, 
though I've done up to 25 miles in my Londons. 

I love the look of a traditional black or brown leather cycling shoe with 
minimal adornment. But my foot isn't slender and doesn't come to a fine 
point at the end. 

Kurt: Sounds like your explorations have been wide-ranging! Thanks for the 
links, these are all new to me. Not sure when Ron's getting more Stomp Lox 
but I'd wager he has some coming... some day. 

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:30:12 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that accommodate serious 
> width? 
>
>
> Thanks for jumping to a new thread ... I probably should have done that, 
> myself. 
>
> Should we start with a definition of "proper cycling shoes" ?  :-)
>
> I have found the proliferation of pedals with large platforms to help me 
> rethink what I am looking for in a cycling shoe. Of course, that also 
> corresponds with retirement and never doing rides on which I feel the need 
> to have my feet securely attached to the pedals. On the contrary, I am 
> finding that being able to shift my feet around is significantly improving 
> foot comfort on longer rides. It also has been helping me subtly alter the 
> pedaling dynamics which is recruiting different muscles, which also reduces 
> fatigue on longer rides. I did a 200km ride Saturday and being able to 
> change my foot position was very helpful. I think that it's not just having 
> a wider toe box, but also a more flexible sole that's important to foot 
> health on long outings. My "theory" is that stiff soles, which are great 
> for shorter rides with higher power output, are more damaging in the long 
> run because they don't require the muscles (and attachments) in your feet 
> and ankles to perform their usual stabilization and support functions. I'm 
> not a PT/OT/MD, though, so take that for what it's worth. 
>
> Still, I appreciate the advantages of stiff soles and secure pedal 
> connections. Unfortunately, I have yet to find cycling shoes that allow my 
> forefoot to spread as much as it wants to, and the result has been painful 
> bunionettes. My Lake MX-1 shoes, on their MX competition last, sadly 
> discontinued, have been the best I've found. It also helps that they are 
> tradition lace-up shoes. Well, helped ... apparently there's no market for 
> that feature anymore.
>
> Top tip for checking shoe fit. Pull out the insoles and stand on them. 
> You'll immediately see the difference between the shoe shape and your foot 
> shape. It's kind of scary, though ... fair warning!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddlesacks/Banana Sack

[Eric Marth]

PM sent

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:36:52 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0w59UlCq9VxPM 
>
>
> Help if I actually attach the pictures...
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:35:37 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> I have 2 Small Saddlesacks in grey grid and 1 Banana Sack in green. All 
>> are in good condition. I am selling them because my bikes are 51/52 and 
>> they just don't fit without rubbing. One of the Saddlesacks has some 
>> tarnish on some of the buttons (you can see it in the pictures.) Pricing is:
>> - Saddlesack (Tarnish) - $40 
>> - Saddlesack - $50
>> - Banana Sack - $40
>>
>> Shipping is extra. I prefer Priority Mail but am flexible.
>>
>

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