[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[ian m]

Love the iridescent bits, the anodizer really nailed it

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:51:27 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> When "too much" is "just right." This bike will make you (and anyone who 
> sees it) smile. Who could not smile at the sight on a My Little Platy 
> coming down the road! I hope you have many joyous miles riding, and that 
> some of them are in California so we can see it in person!
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>>
>> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
>> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
>> to arrive.
>>
>> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
>> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>>
>> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
>> Little Platy. 
>>
>> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken 
>> on Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I 
>> put fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>>
>> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had 
>> rainbow hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the 
>> colors? I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I 
>> had my Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for 
>> grips, I found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil 
>> slick everywhere I could get it. 
>>
>> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>>
>> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
>> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
>> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
>> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
>> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
>> She understood the assignment. 
>>
>> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
>> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
>> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
>> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
>> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
>> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
>> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
>> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
>> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>>
>> Please find my video link below.
>> Leah
>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gearing question -

[Ian A]

If you change the rear to a cassette hub, you will likely need to re-space 
the drop outs. I'm guessing your current freewheel hub is 126mm. 
Spacing.out to 130mm would be okay.

My opinion would be just to change the chainrings to give the higher gear. 
The older 5 ans 6 speed wide range freewheels lend themselves well to 
half-step gearing. If you have a triple crank maybe a 44/48 or 42/46 with a 
granny gear of 28. 

If you are just commuting and running around with bike (vs touring or 
randomneuring), I would be inclined to just put on bigger chainrings. 
Cheaper, easier, better!  My 26" wheel commuter had a 14-28 6 speed 
freewheel and I paired it with a 53/42 double and it was great like that.  
I do enjoy mashing up hills on my commuter though. I consider it anaerobic 
training. Because the bike sees so much winter use, I decided to make it a 
single speed and like it even better now, but the above gearing worked well 
for me.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 8:20:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen Durfee wrote:

> Another list member recently asked a question "Which Front Derailleur 
> option is best for a 38/24 front, 11-36 rear". At the time, I commented 
> that my AR has a 38/24 front, that I often spin out on level ground and can 
> only coast down hills, and that I have been planning to remove the chain 
> guard and swap in a 46T front ring, to turn my double into a triple. But 
> then I got to wondering, would I actually be better off making a switch in 
> the back...
>
> My 26" rear wheel is built around a Bullseye hub, with a 14-34 freewheel. 
> The front wheel is brand new - a Rich-built dynamo with a Shimano hub. 
>
> My questionwould I be better off making a change in the front, going 
> with a triple and the current rear wheel? Or, should I upgrade to a new 
> rear wheel, with a hub cassette at 11-36? Here is my stab at basic math, 
> which may or may not provide useful information
> My current "big gear"  38÷14 = 2.71
> with the added triple,   46÷14 = 3.28
> with a new cassette and existing chainrings 38 ÷ 11= 3.45
>
> I understand, of course, a new rear wheel would be a more expensive 
> solution. My existing FD is a Shimano 105. I think it could handle the 
> triple, but I haven't yet put it to the test.   Are there other factors to 
> consider? 
>
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[RBW] Re: DC Riv Dealer Figures Visually in TV Piece

[ian m]

I was in DC the weekend after the Nat'l bike summit, which my wife 
attended, and we rode the Capital Crescent to Rock Creek with a dedicated 
stop at Happy Go. The owner (whose name I can't recall) was incredibly 
friendly and we chatted about infrastructure and how obnoxious it is that 
wealthy residents oppose traffic calming or more livable streets when it 
would interrupt their god-given right to park in front of Starbucks. Hoping 
the improvements move forward! Also what a great shop

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 10:22:51 AM UTC-4 Steven Seelig wrote:

> Here in suburban DC we have been battling to get a bike lane put in on our 
> main commuter route.  The Mayor was all in until about a month ago, so now 
> the City Council is standing up to her.  Basically, it would head from the 
> top of DC downtown as a protected lane and would be huge win.
>
> I do local advocacy and the TV reporter (yes, a cyclist) reached out to 
> me, I said meet me at our LBS Riv dealer, Happy Go.  I am off my bike for a 
> week or so, so my Platty did not make an appearance, but Happy Go did.  And 
> that is my head talking in favor.
>
> Link to story 
> 
>
> Steve Seelig
>

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ThRe: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26"

[Ian A]

There were also a Waterford run of Atlantis. I recall seeing a 56cm MUSA 
Atlantis for sale on this list. The MIT (made in Taiwan) models have the 
long chainstays and fit differently.

The original 56cm 26" Atlantis is very cool, but hard to find. It might be 
worth considering newer iterations of the Atlantis too.

IanA

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 5:38:28 PM UTC-6 Frank Brose wrote:

> No need for correction. 56 were 26 inch , the 58 were 700c. I've had both 
> and preferred the 56 so I bought another one after I sold the 58. Just sayin
> Frank 
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-5 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
>> Hey Jerry,
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Toyo Atlantis 26inchers were 
>> limited to 56cm frames and under. 58 and above were 700c.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 5:55:32 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Atlantis 55 for sale 
>>> 
>>> groups.google.com 
>>> 
>>> [image: groups_32dp.png] 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2024, at 2:54 PM, Jerry Lynn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Seeking a Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26" frameset please. Looking to hand 
>>> over my 55cm/93 XO-1 to my wife - it's a bit small for me anyway - so would 
>>> love to build a 26" Riv for myself (I currently have several 26" wheelsets).
>>>
>>> Jerry Lynn
>>> Imperial Beach CA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Ian A]

Michael wrote: "What motorcycle are you going to buy?"

Actually the correct question is "What *motorcycles* are you going to 
buy?". 

'Cause you need a mile-eater, a fire-roader and a scooter. 

IanA (earnestly sticking to bicycles at the moment) in Kitimat BC
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
 motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
 new 
 pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html

 Joe Bernard 
 joeremi62 gmail com

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 56cm (L) Susie/Wolbis Frame, Nitto/Riv lugged stem, Boscomoose bar

[Ian A]

Cuddle Bear,

Keeping your identity offline makes a lot of sense in this day and age, but 
people are wary only because of some recent activity on the list which has 
been fraudulent.  List members just want and need confirmation it's all 
above board, so please don't feel attacked. A location is a good thing to 
note in case there are interested parties local to yourself.  Sometimes 
list members will facilitate purchases and shipping between themselves too.

An orange Susie is a very desirable frame. Did you ever build it up? Some 
photos of it as it was built up are always appreciated. As are photos of 
your Atlantis even if it isn't for sale - remember we are prone to nerding 
out over bikes on this list!

Good luck with the sale.

IanA Kitimat BC

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:41:02 AM UTC-7 cuddleb...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's false.. If i had to share any personal info it's not going to be on 
> this thread. I feel attacked already, Well no bad intention. That's why I 
> stated PM at the bottom of my post if there is anything you personally need 
> to know.
>
> This is not a personal email " Mr Kirk "
>
> Note: I will only share personal info with an interested buyer only. 
>
> Thanks!
> Cuddle Bear
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 8:03 AM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hear from "Cuddle Bears" in response to Jordan's question. 
>> And, yes, buyer beware.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-4 Jordan R. wrote:
>>
>>> I took those photos of the handlebar for a sale over a year ago. 
>>>
>>> "Cuddle," did I sell the handlebar to you, or are you repurposing my 
>>> photos? Buyers beware.
>>>
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:16 PM UTC-7 Igor wrote:
>>>
 Cuddle Bears,
 I think folks here would like to know where the frame and parts are 
 located, and if local pickup is an option.

 On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 10:34:55 PM UTC-4 cuddleb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>
> Alright unfortunately I’m selling my 56cm (L) Susie/Wolbis Frame-set.  
> Looking to upgrade from that Clem? This is the bike for you!
>
> They discontinued the Susie because it was costing Riv too much to 
> make. The newer ones will be lugged apparently and won’t be in for a 
> while! 
> These are cooler imo but I had to choose only one bike and this didn’t 
> make 
> the cut! Atlantis ftw.  Asking $1150 + shipping.
>
> Nitto/Riv lugged stem. 95 length.  Great shape. $140 including shipping
>
> Boscomoose bar for sale. It's the TIG version, 58mm. In excellent 
> condition. asking $165 + shipping
>
> You can send a PM
>
> Thanks!
> Cuddle Bears
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[RBW] Re: FS: Chris King, Nitto, White Industries, Outer Shell

[ian m]

Yeah, I've been looking at a Stronglight Delta and not having seen one on a 
bike or in person I'm a little worried it may be the worst looking headset 
around

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:11:05 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I ended up going with an older Stronglight, this one:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/256364460561
>
> It brought down the shimmy's significantly and didn't affect the handling 
> too much either. Not as pretty though
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 3:55:48 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>
>> What headset did you end up replacing the King with? I'm guessing from 
>> the parts you're selling that you gravitate towards let's just say nice and 
>> I'd also like a  needle-bearing headset that fits that qualification
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Chris King, Nitto, White Industries, Outer Shell

[ian m]

What headset did you end up replacing the King with? I'm guessing from the 
parts you're selling that you gravitate towards let's just say nice and I'd 
also like a  needle-bearing headset that fits that qualification

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

[Ian Buckley]

Looks like a beautiful trip! I just moved to Victoria and can’t wait to get 
out on the trails. Was this trip with folks from the VIBC?

Ian in Hillside/Quadra

On Thursday 25 April 2024 at 20:19:56 UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> Wow. How fun!
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 8:16 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> Ah, an important detail I left out - the route was on Vancouver Island; 
>> starting at the ferry terminal and ending near Sooke. The route was on two 
>> major bikeways; Lochside Trail from the ferry to Victoria, then Galloping 
>> Goose from there on out. The latter in particular is a true gem; mile after 
>> mile of perfectly maintained, smooth gravel through beautiful forest and 
>> coastline, well out of earshot of any road except the odd crossing. Heck, 
>> there were even well maintained toilets every few miles! 
>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-04-25 at 8.11.22 PM.png]
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 8:00 PM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>
>>> This looks like an amazing spot. Where were you?
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 7:06 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've taken the Bombadil on a few camping trips in the past, but this 
>>>> was the first one with the drop bar setup. It was ~75km (~45 miles) of 
>>>> mostly rail grade path, about 50/50 paved vs gravel, each way. We stayed 
>>>> in 
>>>> small, rustic cabins so I didn't need to pack a tent, but all bedding 
>>>> needed to be packed so the tent is the only omission from my full camp 
>>>> kit.   
>>>>
>>>> Setup was: small Fab's Chest resting on a Nitto M1-B up front (might as 
>>>> well be an M-18 as I only use one set of stays), and a large Chest on a 
>>>> Nitto R-10 out back. Enough volume for this trip, but when I also need to 
>>>> pack my tent I could use a little more space. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20240421_200456823.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20240420_223702517.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Exploration around the area led us to this really interesting ruins of 
>>>> a never-finished luxury hotel built on a cliffside up the valley. I took 
>>>> my 
>>>> chances trespassing, and the experience was worth it.  
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20240420_222507144.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> The route had a few beautiful wooden bridges, such as below: 
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20240420_202551998.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> The crew! Six of us made the trip, two unfortunately had to bail. The 
>>>> weather worked out wonderfully - we waited out some nasty rain on our 
>>>> departure day which put us behind schedule, but our patience was rewarded 
>>>> with a dry ride home. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20240421_201117002.jpg]
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: hoppin on on the brevet wagon - Chicago Randonneurs Barrington 200k

[ian m]

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 2:42:54 PM UTC-4 Brent Knepper wrote:

big "from each according to their ability, to each according to their 
needs" vibes to have such celebration and comfort available as more riders 
rolled in :):)


>From a fellow non-competer,  big fan of the cooperation and solidarity 
focus of your ride. 

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[RBW] Re: Used but good ASC hub for $139 shipped from England, with usable shifter

[Ian A]

1) Thank you for the correct use of "could not care less", instead of the 
incorrect "could care less".
2) We are still awaiting closure, from the original thread about this exact 
hub, whether it is the genuine article.
3) Wil this hub be rebuilt and reconditioned and if so, who will do rebuild?
4) Pictures or it didn't happen (even if it did).

IanA Alberta Canada 
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:33:36 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I know that this list could not care less about hub gears, but I'm 
> chuffed, as they say. I got a  used but still vg (per the seller with high 
> rating; must disassemble and see for myself; has 50 or 60 years of dried 
> lubricant inside) Holy Grail of hub gears, a 1950 ASC, missing proprietary 
> shifter, but with the sole other SA shifter that can be modified (and may 
> have been modified already; have question in to seller) for the peculiar 
> cable pull required by this hub.
>
> It is a backup/eventual parts donor for the NOS one currently in use in 
> the Matthews Riv Road errand clone that was modified by Aaron in Seattle 
> with a modern, 32-hole aluminum shell (with properly modern thick flanges!) 
> and threaded driver (instead of proprietary 12-spline driver for very rare 
> 1/8" proprietary SA cogs) for either Surly fixed cog (currently 17 t 3/32") 
> or ss freewheel. I've been riding this hub instead of the earlier AM 
> because it has better ratios: direct/high/3rd, 90%/underdrive/2nd, and 
> 75%/underdrive/1st, for 72"/65"/54" instead of the AM's freewheel 75"/115% 
> overdrive/third, 65" direct/second, and 56" 86.54%/underdrive/first. The 
> 3rd-2nd gap is better on the ASC.
>
> And it's all silver! With aluminum shell.
>
> Just made a short but very pleasant detoured grocery run, carrying home 39 
> lb in front and rear Ortlieb roll-tops.
>
> I know you don't care, but I do and I had to crow.
>
> Over and out.
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ian A]

Jim stated:  " If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the sense in 
trying to make everyone of them an all rounder".

I really wanted to come here to make that point, but Jim made it better 
than I can. I wonder if Leah could borrow a club member's bike for a ride 
or two? Modern road bikes have come a long way in terms of tire clearance 
with many being able to accept fenders. It might be eye-opening to try a 
bicycle optimized for purpose in this case.

IanA Alberta Canada


On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:42:23 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:

> I think 38s are great for a 200 pounder like me, but if you weigh 110 like 
> my daughter, they are overkill, and she does fine with 32s or even 28s. And 
> I gotta admit, I've got 30s on my road bike and they feel good. My road 
> bike is set up optimally for smooth road riding, I've got other bikes for 
> rougher stuff. If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the sense in 
> trying to make everyone of them an all rounder.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek riv iconoclast
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:22:20 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:
>
>> My orange creamsicle (the fastest color) Ram is currently wearing 38mm 
>> Schwalbe Marathon Racers. The Racers are mounted on skinny Mavic Open Pro 
>> rims, but still measure 37.25mm. I would wager, I could mount a pair of 
>> Schwalbe 40mm tires on the Ram with adequate clearance.
>>
>> I ride the Ram and my Custom Rivendell (wearing 40mm tires) on club 
>> rides, keep up with much younger riders, and highly recommend 38 and 40mm 
>> tires for road riding. As a matter of fact, my Hubbuhubbuh wears Schwalbe 
>> Hurricanes which measure 71mm mounted on Velocity Cliffhangers. My wife 
>> refuses to ride anything but roads and we regularly pass most other bikes 
>> we encounter.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:54:03 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed.  I own a 54cm Ram and it's equipped with fenders.  The max tire 
>>> that works in this set up is a 32mm.  But without fenders one might be able 
>>> to get 35mm or more on the wheels, but I still don't recommend it for a 
>>> "road bike".  While wider tires may be a good thing for general riding 
>>> purposes they would not work out as well as smaller diameter tires for road 
>>> riding and for what she'll probably soon be using it for like or not, club 
>>> rides where she will be burning up the pavement with it.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on 
 it. Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. 
 With that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
 wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.

 Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the 
 AHH and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the 
 AHH 
 takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the 
 AHH 
 was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
 difference at the beginning.

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really 
> need 
> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going 
> to 
> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's 
>> of 
>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is 
>> better" 
>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
>>> sizing. Here's the geometry: 
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>>
>>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner <
>>> mathiass...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 >> So I 

[RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

[ian m]

We've been talking about it! I was introduced to your channel by another 
member posting about it here and really enjoy your content. My wife works 
for our local bicycle advocacy org and we love seeing the infrastructure in 
Seoul. Keep up the great work!

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 3:21:57 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

> Marcus,
> I found your Youtube channel about a month ago and it has been an absolute 
> delight. We have a pretty strong Rivendell contingent here in Portland, OR, 
> and I've been telling everyone about your channel.
>  Thank you for showing us your corner of the world. Honestly, South Korea 
> was not a place I would have considered visiting to cycle - until I started 
> watching your videos. And the coffee scene in Seoul looks fantastic!
>
> Michael Mann
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-7 probablyri...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
>> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
>> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
>> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>
>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>> YouTube 
>>
>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[ian m]

I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if 
you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
> because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
> like something simpler for rear.
>
> 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one coming 
> for me :D )
>
> I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably OK 
> with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big Rack 
> for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?
>
> Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[ian m]

It's pretty wild the differing opinions people have on upsizing or 
downsizing based on cockpit choices. I'm with Bill on this, and I think Riv 
tends to suggest smaller sizes than necessary, maybe because there's still 
consumer pushback to running shorter stems? Everyone thinks they need a 
10cm for optimum handling or something. 

But why would one aim for a 51 Hillborne to use drops and a 54 to use 
sweptback bars? The reach difference is 6mm! That's less than the 
difference between the stem you have and the next size up or down. 

Maybe it's better from a consumer happiness standpoint to have customers on 
a too small bike, as they'll feel more comfortable with the extra standover 
clearance, and Riv has moved far more upright than even the recent past. 
When in-between two sizes I'll always go for the largest I can standover 
(on a roadish bike anyways)
On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> OOPS! the OP deleted their post.  It's worth pointing out to people that 
> this Google Group is basically an email activity.  You can delete a post, 
> but it's deleted the same way an email is deleted.  It's out there.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:32:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I'm 5'10", shorter than the OP, and I think I'm between sizes on the 
>> Hillbornebut not between 51 and 54.  I think I'm between 54 and 57 on 
>> the Hillborne.  
>>
>> My Saddle Height is 75.5cm, so my PBH is probably in the 85-86 range.  I 
>> own an older 56cm Hillborne which is perfect, used to run a 56cm Bombadil 
>> which was perfect. 
>>
>> When I went to buy an original run Leo Roadini, the Riv guys leaned 
>> towards a 54.  I was surprised because that felt like a significant 
>> downsize.  I disagreed with them and got a 57 and it was terrific, albeit 
>> with no standover clearance.  If I had to replace my 56 Hillborne with a 
>> current Hillborne I'd almost definitely get a 57.  
>>
>> Does that make me ever more of a weird upsizer than the reputation Riv 
>> has with people like Johnny?  I'm not sure.  The idea of a 5'11" human on a 
>> 51cm Hillborne doesn't seem right to me.  
>>
>> Is your Salsa Vaya a perfect fit?  do you want to share a photo of your 
>> setup?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:38:33 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Johnny. Think about how you mostly want this bike set up 
>>> and size accordingly. You had mentioned wanting an Albatross bar setup, so 
>>> if it were me, I would go with the 54cm and longer top tube that will play 
>>> nicely with the swept-back bars and longer stem required for said bars. I 
>>> also have a PBH that's between 83-84, even though I'm a little shorter than 
>>> you. If I were buying a new Sam, I would purchase the 54cm size, and I 
>>> would probably also run some sort of swept-back cockpit. I already have a 
>>> drop bar Riv, and a fat-tired Riv, and those are the only two factors that 
>>> would make me want to size down to a 51cm.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Lex KY
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a more 
 traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I want to go 
 laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want drops 
 go 
 with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up but the 
 standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand the 
 advice 
 to call Rivendell but (from my experience) they are almost always going to 
 push you into a go larger direction and that has not historically always 
 worked for me.

 On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:20:35 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Oooh, a new Sam - exciting!
>
> 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great with 
> this stuff.
>
> 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso length 
> I'm guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the standover on the 
> 54cm Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably want a long 
> stem on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 120mm stem. 
> The drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for getting a 
> longer 
> fit without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus and the 
> reach 
> is luxurious.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm 
>> thinking I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and 
>> I 
>> don't know if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to 
>> my 
>> current bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 
>> 55cm...
>>
>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>> 

[RBW] Re: Taxes!

[Ian A]

Magnificent, although the obligatory drive-side photo is absent. :)

 IanA

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 2:24:12 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Riv content: rode the Matthews SA ASC 26" wheel clone of a Riv Road custom 
> NW to the PO in Corrales against Westerlies 25 gusts to 35  to get my 1040 
> and proof of payment in 12 hours before the deadline. Also mailed a nice 
> pair of old, non-aero DC Grand Compe levers and calipers in trade for a 
> reasonably-wide (=/< 44 cm) VO Course bar. 
>
> Only 12 miles RT but had fun battling the wind in the hooks and only 
> rarely used the 65" 2nd/0.9 underdrive gear, staying in the 72" 3rd/direct 
> most of the way.
>
> Patrick "May the extortionists choke on my payment" Moore
>
> Photo from an earlier PO run, shipping a longboard to my daughter:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> -- 
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[ian m]

I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.

On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.

I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the 
Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my 
gears.

On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
> I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's 
> tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you 
> the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
> takes most of the force of the fall.
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>
>> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal 
>> whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance 
>> refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter 
>> to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's 
>> still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over 
>> the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of 
>> trying to make these work. 
>>
>> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
>> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same 
>> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that 
>> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
>> noticeable difference.
>>
>> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
>> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
>> advice welcome.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 26" Front Wheel with Generator Hub

[Ian A]

John,

Since 2013,  have bought from bike24.de, rose.de and bike-discount.de in 
Germany. All have been excellent.  My last order was in 2020 from Rose 
Bike, when I couldn't find what I needed locally. Things have changed over 
the past 10 years or so. There are quite a number of restrictions by 
manufacturers as to what can leave the EU (in order to protect local North 
America vendors, which makes good sense) and things like batteries now fall 
under restrictions for dangerous cargo. Rose removed the cycle computer 
from my order because of the single CR2032 battery couldn't be shipped 
outside of the EU without extensive paperwork!

Naturally, with this being the RBW list, look for local options first. 
Maybe a list member is holding just what you are looking for. :)

IanA Kitimat BC
On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 6:13:46 AM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you Ian, the quality of the hub is something to consider. You 
> mention ordering from German sites, is there one or two that you can 
> recommend?
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 5:39:10 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>
>> Just be aware that is a fairly low end dynamo in the Shimano range. 
>> Slightly heavy and draggy in comparison to the higher end Shimano and SP 
>> products.
>>
>> Some shopping around on the German sites might get you an SP hub or an 
>> LX/XT hub built into a wheel. Shimano does have a restriction on allowing 
>> the export of their products from Europe to North America. A complete wheel 
>> might be excepted from the restriction. 
>>
>> I have bought a fair bit of stuff over the years (Tubus racks, B 
>> lights, Brooks Saddles, Ortlieb panniers and handlebar bag, tires, spokes 
>> and nipples etc) and quite a few of those items are now restricted for 
>> export. Xxcycle in France doesn't seem to observe those restrictions (yet). 
>> Maybe they do now,  my last order was while back.
>>
>> My main reason for ordering from Germany is because the economy shipping 
>> option comes through the regular postal system and gets delivered by Canada 
>> Post on this end. Canadian consumers will have horror stories of shipments 
>> delivered via UPS and FedEx due to the brokerage fees for customs entry. 
>> Also, shipping tends to be faster to Canada from Europe than from the USA. 
>>
>> IanA Deepest, darkest BC, Canada
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 1:59:09 PM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Even better! And they have a ton of stuff on sale, so I could add socks, 
>>> gloves or a jersey to the box and won't impact the shipping.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 4:42:39 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  >> so the total price will be between 125 and 130 Euro; a Euro being 
>>>> $1.08 at the moment. 
>>>>
>>>> That's WITH shipping. 
>>>>
>>>> >> 124.95 € instead of €165.95
>>>> >> Price incl. VAT plus €24.55 (for delivery to United States of 
>>>> America)
>>>> >> Product code: 234412101"
>>>>
>>>> Lighting articles in general are a great deal over there, bc they're a 
>>>> commodity. Most bikes in Germany are sold with lighting -- it's required 
>>>> on 
>>>> bikes used on public roads, with some exemptions for lightweight road 
>>>> bikes 
>>>> -- so it's a huge market, and that helps.
>>>>
>>>> cheers -m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Mathias, that looks like a good deal, I'll have to check to 
>>>>> see what the shipping would be. I may go that route if isn't too 
>>>>> expensive 
>>>>> and I don't hear from someone on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello NYCBikeGuy, sorry to give the impression that I know how to 
>>>>> build wheels, I don't, but I've heard swapping rims isn't too hard, so I 
>>>>> was going to give it a try if needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> JohnS
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 1:28:58 PM UTC-4 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be savvy in wheel building. I have a disk brake dynamo in 
>>>>>> gold currently laced to a 700c rim with machined sidewall for rim brakes 
>>>>>> (so versatile!) Let me know if you're interested. I'll send pics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 1:01:53 PM U

[RBW] Re: WTB 26" Front Wheel with Generator Hub

[Ian A]

Just be aware that is a fairly low end dynamo in the Shimano range. 
Slightly heavy and draggy in comparison to the higher end Shimano and SP 
products.

Some shopping around on the German sites might get you an SP hub or an 
LX/XT hub built into a wheel. Shimano does have a restriction on allowing 
the export of their products from Europe to North America. A complete wheel 
might be excepted from the restriction. 

I have bought a fair bit of stuff over the years (Tubus racks, B lights, 
Brooks Saddles, Ortlieb panniers and handlebar bag, tires, spokes and 
nipples etc) and quite a few of those items are now restricted for export. 
Xxcycle in France doesn't seem to observe those restrictions (yet). Maybe 
they do now,  my last order was while back.

My main reason for ordering from Germany is because the economy shipping 
option comes through the regular postal system and gets delivered by Canada 
Post on this end. Canadian consumers will have horror stories of shipments 
delivered via UPS and FedEx due to the brokerage fees for customs entry. 
Also, shipping tends to be faster to Canada from Europe than from the USA. 

IanA Deepest, darkest BC, Canada
On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 1:59:09 PM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:

>
> Even better! And they have a ton of stuff on sale, so I could add socks, 
> gloves or a jersey to the box and won't impact the shipping.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 4:42:39 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>  >> so the total price will be between 125 and 130 Euro; a Euro being 
>> $1.08 at the moment. 
>>
>> That's WITH shipping. 
>>
>> >> 124.95 € instead of €165.95
>> >> Price incl. VAT plus €24.55 (for delivery to United States of America)
>> >> Product code: 234412101"
>>
>> Lighting articles in general are a great deal over there, bc they're a 
>> commodity. Most bikes in Germany are sold with lighting -- it's required on 
>> bikes used on public roads, with some exemptions for lightweight road bikes 
>> -- so it's a huge market, and that helps.
>>
>> cheers -m
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Mathias, that looks like a good deal, I'll have to check to 
>>> see what the shipping would be. I may go that route if isn't too expensive 
>>> and I don't hear from someone on the list.
>>>
>>> Hello NYCBikeGuy, sorry to give the impression that I know how to build 
>>> wheels, I don't, but I've heard swapping rims isn't too hard, so I was 
>>> going to give it a try if needed.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 1:28:58 PM UTC-4 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>>
 You seem to be savvy in wheel building. I have a disk brake dynamo in 
 gold currently laced to a 700c rim with machined sidewall for rim brakes 
 (so versatile!) Let me know if you're interested. I'll send pics.

 On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Here's a new option:
>
>
> https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-dt-swiss-535shimano-dh-3d32-qr-26-discnon-disc-mtb-front-wheel-2721231?article_size=6853_shape=1
>
> you get the 19 % VAT deducted when shipping to the U.S. so the total 
> price will be between 125 and 130 Euro; a Euro being $1.08 at the moment. 
> I've had excellent luck with Rose products; they sold 700x35 mm Pasela 
> Tourguards last year for $17 a pop -- less than half the price stateside.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 10:51:13 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Looking to make my '82 Stumpy a year round errand runner, so dyno 
>> lights are the way to go.
>>
>> Requirements:
>> 26" rim brake for a wider tire. I plan to use RH 26" x 2.3" Rat Trap 
>> pass tires.
>> 100 mm spacing.
>> 6V, 3W power output for front and rear LED lights.
>> Good working order and can be serviced (no rusty axle nuts).
>>
>> Nice to have, but not required:
>> Silver color, but black is ok.
>> 32 spoke count (I have an extra rim, so if yours is worn out, I can 
>> switch it).
>> Looking to spend about $100 plus shipping to Allentown PA 18104.
>> Hub brand is not too important to me, the exception would be the 
>> Sanyo hub, I've read that it has noticeable drag.
>>
>> Please reply directly to me if you have one to unload.
>> Thank you,
>> JohnS
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[ian m]

I believe the M952 is high normal, but you can't go wrong with the M951

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 1:01:39 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60 ideally.
>
> Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs that 
> one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were there 
> differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where 
> replacements are available?
>
> I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952 around 
> that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the prices rise 
> very quickly! 
>
> Thanks a lot for guiding :)
> Chintan
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fitz Cycles All Road 56cm 26"/650b Disc Partial Build and Wheels

[Ian A]

I can't help feeling a touch of regret :) Congratulations to the new owner. 
An excellent purchase.

On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 7:24:24 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> And the Fitz is sold and headed to a new home in CO
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 8:44:42 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I loved it too and if it was about 2cm bigger in both ST and TT I'd be 
>> keeping it :-)
>>
>> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 4:23:08 PM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> I love this bike and just cannot fathom why it hasn't sold. Handmade 
>>> frame, light tubing and disc brakes are a hard combination to find. Anyone 
>>> on the fence should not hesitate. 
>>>
>>>
>>> IanA (being careful not to take his own advice) in Kitimat BC.
>>> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 1:19:19 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Weekend bump with a couple sale options:
>>>>
>>>> $1200 shipped with frame/fork/rack/hs/fenders/stems
>>>> $1150 shipped with frame/fork/rack/hs/stems
>>>> $1075 shipped with frame/fork/rack/stems
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 7:56:33 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A few nibbles, but no takers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another bump and a price drop, $1200 shipped in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also in the market for an Atlantis or Appaloosa sized for an 88pbh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 11:11:57 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately not, that front low-rider rack was actually built for 
>>>>>> my custom Fitz and I had him add mounts to it so I could use on this 
>>>>>> frame 
>>>>>> as well. Doesn't mean the new owner couldn't have Fitz make them one 
>>>>>> though 
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 10:37 AM Michael Morrissey <
>>>>>> michaelg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm shocked this beautiful frame hasn't sold yet. The Coleman stove 
>>>>>>> green is perfect on this bike. Does it include the custom front rack 
>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>> is in the last picture of the Google Photos folder?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:24:14 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leap year bump, $1250 shipped in the US
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 12:29:08 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Midweek bump and price drop, $1250 plus shipping
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 5:11:27 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bump and a price drop, $1350 plus shipping.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, in need of a few items for a trade/partial trade:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nitto Marks Rack
>>>>>>>>>> 58cm Atlantis
>>>>>>>>>> 700c 135mm spaced dynamo wheelset
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 2:38:16 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wheels are sold. Also, I forgot to include that the rear spacing 
>>>>>>>>>>> is 135mm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frame/Fork/Headset/Rack/Fenders - $1400 plus shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 11:09:42 AM UTC-6 Michael 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ullmer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is cross-posted from the i-bob list. Hoping to pass along 
>>>>>>>>>>>> this frameset and wheels to fund a near-term Spring Break trip for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the fam 
>>>>>>>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: Fitz Cycles All Road 56cm 26"/650b Disc Partial Build and Wheels

[Ian A]

I love this bike and just cannot fathom why it hasn't sold. Handmade frame, 
light tubing and disc brakes are a hard combination to find. Anyone on the 
fence should not hesitate. 


IanA (being careful not to take his own advice) in Kitimat BC.
On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 1:19:19 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Weekend bump with a couple sale options:
>
> $1200 shipped with frame/fork/rack/hs/fenders/stems
> $1150 shipped with frame/fork/rack/hs/stems
> $1075 shipped with frame/fork/rack/stems
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 7:56:33 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> A few nibbles, but no takers.
>>
>> Another bump and a price drop, $1200 shipped in the US.
>>
>> Also in the market for an Atlantis or Appaloosa sized for an 88pbh
>>
>> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 11:11:57 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately not, that front low-rider rack was actually built for my 
>>> custom Fitz and I had him add mounts to it so I could use on this frame as 
>>> well. Doesn't mean the new owner couldn't have Fitz make them one though :-)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 10:37 AM Michael Morrissey <
>>> michaelg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm shocked this beautiful frame hasn't sold yet. The Coleman stove 
 green is perfect on this bike. Does it include the custom front rack that 
 is in the last picture of the Google Photos folder?

 Michael
 On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:24:14 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer 
 wrote:

> Leap year bump, $1250 shipped in the US
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 12:29:08 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer 
> wrote:
>
>> Midweek bump and price drop, $1250 plus shipping
>>
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 5:11:27 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Bump and a price drop, $1350 plus shipping.
>>>
>>> Also, in need of a few items for a trade/partial trade:
>>>
>>> Nitto Marks Rack
>>> 58cm Atlantis
>>> 700c 135mm spaced dynamo wheelset
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 2:38:16 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wheels are sold. Also, I forgot to include that the rear spacing is 
 135mm.

 Frame/Fork/Headset/Rack/Fenders - $1400 plus shipping

 On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 11:09:42 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer 
 wrote:

> This is cross-posted from the i-bob list. Hoping to pass along 
> this frameset and wheels to fund a near-term Spring Break trip for 
> the fam 
> down to Mexico. Long-term, this bike's place in the stable will be 
> replaced 
> with a properly sized Atlantis or Appaloosa.
>
> This is one I never thought I'd get rid of, but I have to admit 
> it's not the right size and it's not getting much ride time. I bought 
> this 
> from John Fitz, but I'm the second owner. Here's the original 
> color/build (
> https://www.facebook.com/FitzCyclez/posts/958878954200930). I 
> reached out to have him build me a fork similar to the one that was 
> on this 
> bike, but instead he happened to have this frame/fork available. He 
> re-powdercoated it for me, built the custom rack and added a bunch of 
> braze-ons. Here's what's included with the sale:
>
> 1) Frame/Fork
> 2) 1 1/8" Silver Chris King Headset
> 3) Custom Front SS Rando Rack with integrated light mount and wire 
> guides
> 4) Velo Orange 26" 60mm Smooth Fenders with Ruthworks Mudguards
> 5) Matching Green Powdercoated Truvatic 110mm 26.0 Stem
> 6) Maroon Powdercoated xxmm Stem 31.8 (this was the previous 
> powdercoat color)
>
> Frame/Fork Details:
>
> TT - Columbus 28.6 8/5/8
> DT  - (unknown) 31.8 9/6/9 or 8/5/8
> ST - Nova 28.6 9/6/1.2
> SS - 17mm true temper
> BB - 68mm BSA Paragon
> Paragon Dropouts front and back
> Fork Blades - Disc specific Nova fork blades 1.1 wall thickness
> Fork Crown - Pacenti MTB Fork Crown
> Braze-ons - lighting guides on fork blade and under downtube, 
> three bottle bosses, pump pegs on non-drive seatstay, low-rider front 
> rack 
> mounts, 
>
> Takes a 27.2 seatpost, 28.6 front derailleur. Built around 160mm 
> rotors front/rear. It clears Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass 2.3" 
> Tires 
> easily. I never ran with 650b, but was told it would do 650bx48 just 
> fine. 
> I've used this as a drop-bar enduro all-road and an upright basket 
> cruiser 
> with Nitto Albatross bars. It handles great with a rear rack and big 
> saddlebag (I used a large Sackville). 
>
> Frame is in great shape, all threads clean and no dents/dings. 
> Never been crashed. The powder 

Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[ian m]

Maybe it will lessen your dyno wiring worries but depending on the light 
you're running it's really easy to DIY a solution. The Busch and Muller 
wires are just like speaker wires and you can splice them together with 
very little effort. The wiring and connectors are available from a few 
spots like Analog Cycles and you just need to crimp a connector onto a 
wire. No soldering needed, I don't know how to either. Then you have a 
quick disconnect and when you decide you have an end result you're happy 
with you can put a heat shrink tube over the connection and hit it with a 
lighter to weatherproof the connection. Easy Peasy, really

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about 
> how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. 
> Anyone else?
> 
> I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap 
> it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the 
> front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my 
> dog carrying days seen here: 
>
> [image: IMG_0488.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_0486.PNG]
>
> I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a 
> bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog 
> along because he was such a nag. 
>
> Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s 
> useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno 
> wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.
> Leah
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off 
> my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
> bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
> back on :). 
>
> For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
> two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
> I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
> it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
> it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
> a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
> problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
> "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  
>
> I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
> curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
> a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
>> Orange steering damper.
>>
>> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on 
>> the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
>> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
>> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
>> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>>
>> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
>> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
>> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Michael
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Tom,
>>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
 kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
 few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
 anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
 problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even 
 offered 
 to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
 has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
 beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd 
 recommend 
 it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
 good.


 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>

[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[ian m]

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:24:14 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:

I love my two 26" bikes as well and have been stockpiling rims and even 
brake pads to keep them in service. There are just so few options left in 
keeping non-disc 26" bikes on the road, despite it being a versatile, 
strong, light and awesome wheel size. 


The first wheelset I built myself has Riv prototype hubs (Velocity made? 
Maybe Bitex) laced to 26" ceramic Mavic rims and I didn't think I'd want to 
switch to 26" disc wheels until I found myself trying to find ceramic brake 
pads for the v-brakes and paid a *dumb* amount for some. 

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Ian A]

Tastes have changed. Disc brakes opened up a lot of design options for 
randonneurs and touring bikes, making real rough stuff much more 
manageable.  I have no intention of trading in my thin walled rSogn 650b 
rim brake or my beloved and much abused Marinoni Turismo. But I bought the 
Marinoni used in 2008 and the rSogn a number of years ago too now. Would I 
buy the same if starting from scratch today? Not sure about that. I have 
used the Marinoni for a lot rough stuff style touring and was seriously 
underbiked in those times (all part of the fun and misery!). If I want to 
take on the Baja Divide, I know the Marinoni just simply wouldn't be 
appropriate, but there are many modern disc designs that could handle it 
with aplomb.

I love my two 26" bikes as well and have been stockpiling rims and even 
brake pads to keep them in service. There are just so few options left in 
keeping non-disc 26" bikes on the road, despite it being a versatile, 
strong, light and awesome wheel size. The same can be said for 650b rim 
brakes. Sometimes it's just more practical to follow the herd. Sometimes 
the herd's got a point.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:22:57 PM UTC-6 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners out 
> there-
> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>
> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>
> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>
> Best,
> IY
>

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[ian m]

Seems like a decent number of options in the 26+ realm also, like the Crust 
Evasion and new Stridsland Beachcomber. Can't speak to geometry on those tho
On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 8:08:34 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> There are similar bikes that *can *run 26" wheels due to using disc 
> brakes. The Velo Orange Polyvalent comes to mind. As much as I love the 
> 26er I don't see anyone outside of custom builds combining that wheel size 
> and rim brakes anymore
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> Ah, here it is on Cyclofiend's website: 
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg46.jpg
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg47.jpg
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>> Great looking bike! 
>>>
>>> Bridgestone Atlantis was pre-Grant, designed by a Bridgestone employee 
>>> in Japan who took inspiration from French constructeurs, so a different 
>>> kind of bike than the others you mentioned. There's a Riv Reader article 
>>> about it that I cannot find at the moment but will post later.
>>>
>>> Why no more? No one has raced one since John Stamstad, no demand, steel 
>>> and 559 wheels are dead? All of the above? 
>>>
>>> jim mather
>>> walnut creek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners 
>>>> out there-
>>>> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
>>>> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and 
>>>> finally... 
>>>> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
>>>> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>>>>
>>>> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> IY
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[ian m]

There are similar bikes that *can *run 26" wheels due to using disc brakes. 
The Velo Orange Polyvalent comes to mind. As much as I love the 26er I 
don't see anyone outside of custom builds combining that wheel size and rim 
brakes anymore

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:

> Ah, here it is on Cyclofiend's website: 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg46.jpg
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg47.jpg
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> Great looking bike! 
>>
>> Bridgestone Atlantis was pre-Grant, designed by a Bridgestone employee in 
>> Japan who took inspiration from French constructeurs, so a different kind 
>> of bike than the others you mentioned. There's a Riv Reader article about 
>> it that I cannot find at the moment but will post later.
>>
>> Why no more? No one has raced one since John Stamstad, no demand, steel 
>> and 559 wheels are dead? All of the above? 
>>
>> jim mather
>> walnut creek
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners 
>>> out there-
>>> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
>>> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
>>> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
>>> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>>>
>>> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> IY
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[ian m]

On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

All those wanting Rivendell to re-release bikes they made 10 years ago do 
NOT have to turn in their Riv card, but they ARE outing themselves as PAWNS 
of the T IC.  Resist the pressures of the Time and Date Industrial 
Complex!  


BL I feel like I understand where you're coming from in this thread and 
largely I don't disagree with much of what you're saying but I think 
there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your perspective. Yes, I 
do have whatever the reverse of FOMO is when it comes to Riv bikes (Sad I 
Missed Out, SIMO?). I learned about Riv circa the late aughts while working 
at Amoeba in Berkeley and riding my POS fixed gear bike (with Wald 808 bars 
and front basket) everywhere. Dreamt of virtually every model at the time, 
all of which were firmly out of reach with a record store employee 
paycheck. Had I been able to afford a couple twos threes of their bikes at 
the time I'd probably be hang up free about their current designs. But I 
think we all want what we can't have, and (for a terrible comparison) I 
lament plenty of other unfortunate changes like the reality of modern 
pickup trucks as opposed to my first two, the Datsun 720 and Toyota 22RE. 
Change may be constant but it's not always beneficial

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[ian m]

On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 2:11:06 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

Like Tim, I got an early Clem, thinking it would be an updated, 
proper-fitting version of an analog 80s or 90s mountain bike - because 
that's how it was initially concieved and described by Grant.   But I 
admittedly struggled on trails, just as you describe.  So it kind of 
morphed into something else, for other kinds of riding.  


 I too had the same Clem origin story. I had always wanted a Riv but 
couldn't afford one at the time while I was daily riding, touring, and 
offroading an my '90 Fisher MTB. When the Clem was announced I was over the 
moon, it sounded like it was designed just for me and the lower price point 
meant I could stop dreaming of falling into some money to buy a Hunq and 
get my first Riv. I think it's unfortunate that it was designed around the 
Bosco bars which made it impossible for me to get a good fit with less 
aggressively upright bars, and soon found out the extra long chainstays 
made it a chore to lift the front end even enough to clear sharp tree roots.
With the Clem not being up to off-road duty where I live I picked up a 
Jones Plus LWB to hit the trails on and what a revelation. Similar 
wheelbase length but it's the front center that is extended rather than the 
rear triangle, so the bike felt incredibly nimble and handled 
fantastically. Really smart design. Unfortunately I had to sell a bike to 
free up some funds and chose the Jones over the Clem which I regret.

I also wish that not every Riv model had growing chainstays. I still 
daydream of owning a beautiful lugged Riv that I could ride forever, I 
understand and appreciate their drive to innovate and embrace change, and 
know that change is the only real constant, but it's not always for the 
better.

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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[Ian Buckley]

I’m so disappointed that I didn’t discover these videos until today! I’ve 
been living in southern Alberta for 4 years and I haven’t found much 
content that captures what it’s like to ride around here. Great videos.

Ian 
Of Toronto, in Calgary, soon to be Victoria
On Monday 4 March 2024 at 16:35:06 UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Fantastic vids (Summer, Autumn, Winter)! Reminds me of riding in Western 
> Montana. Eager to see your spring Vid!
>
> John
> Portland,OR
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:02:34 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
>> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
>> Happy Sunday,
>> Mack
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
>>> Mack 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
>>>> These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
>>>> want to go ride my bike.
>>>>
>>>> -stephen
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/QHYWEnqN7s4?si=i8Ymj1yL6kf62I_v>," which in 
>>>>> southern alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still 
>>>>> falling, 
>>>>> something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
>>>>> also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/g5Wgyit7vYs?si=2iADWpUXSwrEZw4m> I took my poor 
>>>>> brother on at the end of September. 
>>>>> Mack
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
>>>>>> world. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>>>>>>> cheers from Oz,
>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>>>>>>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi people,
>>>>>>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I 
>>>>>>> started watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that 
>>>>>>> it 
>>>>>>> would be fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the 
>>>>>>> idea 
>>>>>>> in the summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I 
>>>>>>> just 
>>>>>>> perched my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my 
>>>>>>> daily 
>>>>>>> rides in the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but 
>>>>>>> then 
>>>>>>> I thought that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the 
>>>>>>> sounds 
>>>>>>> that the season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my 
>>>>>>> atlantis, my joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>>>>>>> Vid's here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR01_FmkQOE>. Hope you 
>>>>>>> find it fun!
>>>>>>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>>>>>>> Mack 
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

[ian m]

I'm a proponent of sizing to the largest frame that you can comfortably 
standover, but obviously the Clem L throws that out the window. The thing 
to look out for on the Clem's is the absurdly long effective top tube. I 
previously owned a 52 Clem H (83PBH here) and I think it had a 61cm top 
tube?? Could never get comfortable even with albatross bars. Looks like the 
current models are even longer, but you are right, the reach remains near 
the same as the stack increases, bringing the handlebars up and closer to 
begin with. But a near 47cm reach is nothing to sneeze at, unless you have 
a very long torso/arms you'll be running exclusively very swept back bars. 
For comparison a Hillborne reach averages 10cm shorter.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've no advice on Riv sizing except that I personally prefer to downsize 
> wrt their recommendations, but I do want to remind you that list rules 
> require you to post photos of your bikes if they are at all interesting, 
> and yours sound interesting indeed.
>
> [For the terminally earnest: No, there is no such list rule, but posting 
> photos of interesting bikes is what old fashioned Catholic moral doctrine 
> called a temporal work of mercy, like caring for the sick and visiting the 
> imprisoned. That's a joke too.]
>
> So, please do!
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:49 AM Paul Donald  wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to 
>> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion 
>> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a 
>> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not 
>> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>>
>> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and 
>> on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with 
>> a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do 
>> similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
>> than a 59.
>>
>> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>>
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[RBW] WTB: 62cm Appaloosa - Silver with the double top tube (2019 I think?)

[Ian Buckley]

Hey folks,

My dreams are haunted by Will's Appaloosa 
<https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/wills-appaloosa>. 
In a fit of madness, I tried to buy it off of him, but I was too late! He 
sold it long ago. If you have one you're looking to sell, please let me 
know. I'm not sure what to offer, but I'm sure we can find something that 
will work for both of us. I'm interested in frames or completes. 

Best,
Ian in Calgary (soon to be Victoria)

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[ian m]

What a beauty. Love that stem!

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:08:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm planning on selling my build list for $50, to help offset the price of 
> the bicycle.  For an extra $25 I will autograph that build list.  
>
> Those are not Highway One bars.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 1:58:28 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Are you planning to provide a component list (make & model) when you're 
>> done with the build (e.g., are those Highway One bars?)
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 1:49:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at 
>>> Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no 
>>> commentary (yet):
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[ian m]

If you, like me, prefer Nitto to all alternatives check out the M151. I 
believe Soma sells that model as well.

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:58:50 PM UTC-5 eitanz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> You guys have given me multiple good handlebar suggestions! I think I will 
> rule out the Specialized bars though, as they seem to come in black only. 
> That's fine for the Breezer but for this bike, I really want silver.  Looks 
> like both the Ritchey Venturemax and VO Randonneur are both 31.8mm only. 
> The Soma Highway One  is available  in 26mm--so by process of elimination 
> may be the winner...
>
> --Eitan
> Los Angeles
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:18:22 PM UTC-8 Elisabeth Sherwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the 
>> shortest reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm 
>> handlebar clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And 
>> the rest of the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  
>> They only come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine 
>> for most people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)
>>
>>
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Liz 
>> Washington DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
>>> reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
>>> and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.
>>>
>>> But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm 
>>> of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!
>>>
>>> The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape 
>>> and 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less 
>>> than ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm 
>>> clamp diameter.
>>>
>>> For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
>>> Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
>>> Specialized bars...)
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Ethan: Two suggestions:

 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle 
 where it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle 
 height and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is 
 where 
 I start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
 should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.

 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
 (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
 https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001

 It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
 and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. 
 I used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a 
 friend) to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my 
 road standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 
 56 or 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic 
 MVS or whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. 
 Still a wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem 
 contortion because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far 
 away 
 was better than any non-drop bar I could find.


 On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
 ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
 stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
 shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
 going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
 in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
 shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
 lot.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[ian m]

If the standover height is acceptable, then I would argue the larger frame 
is going to lead to a better fit. I have a hard time with just the raw data 
which is why I like using bike insights. Comparing the 54.5 and 51 Homers, 
we can see a few important points: the stack is much higher meaning the 
bars are already starting higher. Even with an effective top tube increase 
of 15mm, the reach is only 1mm more on the 54.5. Easily mitigated with a 
stem. Seat is going to land on the same axis with either size, so fit 
should be very similar with less seatpost and stem showing. 

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:20:54 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
> photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
> accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and you're 
> happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be a 
> bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree with 
> Riv that a 7cm stem should help but I'm concerned that you'll still find 
> the Homer kinda big-ish. 
>
> Joe Bernard, who fits a 55 Chev with pullbacks and would need a 51 Homer 
> for drops 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I used 
>>> to bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have recently gotten 
>>> back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a professional bike fit 
>>> sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems well-recommended and 
>>> reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the buck bike 
>>> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road bike 
>>> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance athletics per 
>>> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  day-long 
>>> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
>>> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
>>> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I have. I 
>>> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars I am 
>>> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have about 
>>> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Here are a few thoughts:

 People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long 
 time with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they 
 can know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for 
 them. 
  It sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that 
 a reasonable assumption?

 People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves 
 are usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
 understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you 
 had 
 anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  

 This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently 
 an endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do 
 you 
 want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?  

 Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, 
> Paul, 
> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>
>
> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>
> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>
> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, 
> the 
> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>
> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>
> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars 
> a 
> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the 

[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[ian m]

You can compare the geometry of the Homer against your Breezer on 
bikeinsights.com. Worth a look to find the differences

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 7:06:31 PM UTC-5 eitanz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I used to 
> bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have recently gotten 
> back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a professional bike fit 
> sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems well-recommended and 
> reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the buck bike 
> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road bike 
> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance athletics per 
> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  day-long 
> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I have. I 
> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars I am 
> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have about 
> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Here are a few thoughts:
>>
>> People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long 
>> time with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they 
>> can know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for them. 
>>  It sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that 
>> a reasonable assumption?
>>
>> People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves are 
>> usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
>> understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you had 
>> anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  
>>
>> This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently 
>> an endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do you 
>> want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?  
>>
>> Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
>>> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
>>> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
>>> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, 
>>> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
>>> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
>>> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>>>
>>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
>>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
>>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the 
>>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
>>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
>>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
>>> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with 
>>> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm 
>>> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is 
>>> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work I 
>>> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops with upright 
>>> bars, but I already have the Cheviot and specifically wanted a drop-bar 
>>> endurance/all-roadish bike. 
>>>
>>> I get the need to raise the bars, but I don't want a situation where the 
>>> bars are 5" above the saddle. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on other ways to get this bike to fit better?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> --Eitan (in Los Angeles)
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[ian m]

No harm no foul. My newest bike is a Crust Lightning Bolt currently 
sporting a front basket, wide(ish) drop bars, platform pedals, a leather 
saddle, and XTR rapid rise derailer. Everything I want out of a road(ish) 
bike.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:00:48 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good point; I was thinking about bar type and position and rider position 
> in this preference equation. 
>
> While I do all my grocery shopping by bike, I rarely carry 50 lb of of 
> stuff and when I do I have front lowriders and a smaller pair of Ortliebs 
> for those. A good balance is 30-35 rear and 15-20 front; of course you do 
> need to get the front load balanced to within about 5 lb per side. Not so 
> the rear; just got back with only 14 lb today but all in the rear and all 
> on one side.
>
> And I apologize to Ian for being a bit short; long day of dealing with 
> resume clients. (Note for those of you who plan to hire me: I give good 
> customer service and very good quality of result. But not cheap.)
>
> Patrick Moore, contrarian, who also dislikes wide bars, platform pedals, 
> leather saddles, and reverse-pull derailleurs (but finds Grant's contrarian 
> streak one of Rivendell's big draws).
>
> https://youtu.be/oK4FZ3ks17M?t=98
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 12:54 PM EGNolan  wrote:
>
>> In my experience, as handlebars get higher and closer to the rider the 
>> better some weight in a basket works. The dual effect of reducing front end 
>> weight (lightening the front wheel & feel) AND increasing body weight on 
>> the rear end of the bike makes a front load seem ideal. If you ride drops, 
>> especially below saddle height, I imagine you'd feel the additional weight 
>> much more acutely than I do.  I've had shoulder problems for a long time 
>> and prefer Bosco's or similar on most of my builds. My 98 Riv Road 
>> (converted to 650b w/ 42's) did not want front weight when I picked it up 
>> w/ drops that were out and down. Once converted to uprights it feels better 
>> with rack, basket and at least lock than it does unweighted. 
>>
>> Why a basket & bag over front panniers? To me it's easier to balance the 
>> load with my disheveled loading process. It's also somehow less serious 
>> looking. Front/Rear panniers seem like a serious touring set up, a basket 
>> feels like riding for fun. I DO use a Riv Large saddlebag for grocery 
>> getting (in addition to the front basket & bag) & a banana sack for 
>> everyday use.
>>
>> To sum it up, I think rider position + geometry dictate where the weight 
>> will feel best, however, one can get used to about anything on a bike given 
>> time. 
>>
>> Happy Riding,
>> Eric N
>> Indpls
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:36:29 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> Lovely photo of the flowers in the panniers. 
>>>
>>> This discussion, like many about human preferences, it's so much about 
>>> our habits and that to which we've become accustomed. 
>>>
>>> An argument can be made that flowers are better carried in a front 
>>> basket so the rider can enjoy both the view, the scent, and the pleasant 
>>> thoughts of the recipient of such a beautiful gift.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 10:09:23 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a very good reply; yes, I am very attached to rear loads on 
>>>> Rivendells, have always come back to good rack and panniers for serious 
>>>> load carrying, and have found my Rivs to suit rear loads while being 
>>>> awkward with front loads, but yes, that is simply my preference.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, interesting to hear others' opinions and reasons. 
>>>>
>>>> I liked the baby and marmot in baskets. Instance to contrary: Recall 
>>>> seeing a young man riding around carrying his miniature Chihuahua in a 
>>>> backpack with nose sticking out. I can't get any of my dogs to like 
>>>> wheeled 
>>>> transportation, front or rear or automobile.
>>>>
>>>> Favorite old photo of rear load:
>>>>
>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:51 PM Alex K  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and 
>>>>> bags are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes 
>>>>> handle with front weight. A lot of us can't stand t

[RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[ian m]

Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to SB, 
I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back bars. 
> Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
> building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 
>
> Armand
> Also in Santa Monica
>
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Part 2:
>>
>> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got to 
>> 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>>
>>
>> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none of 
>> the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>>
>> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>>
>> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on dedicated 
>> bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated for long 
>> stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often connected 
>> by a frontage road.
>>
>> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>>
>> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
>> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on ahead 
>> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>>
>> (That's 103 not 3)
>>
>> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>>
>> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
>> distance really.
>>
>> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>>
>> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>>
>>
>> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>>
>> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>>
>> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe would 
>> help on long trips like this one.
>>
>>
>> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>>
>>
>> Keith Paugh
>>
>> Los Angeles, CA
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> 1.27.24
>>>
>>> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly optimistic. 
>>> I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory - Maybe the 
>>> proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy challenge is just 
>>> what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>>>
>>> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa Barbara 
>>> on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from the Santa 
>>> Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>>>
>>> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
>>> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>>>
>>> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of short, 
>>> and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>>>
>>> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 300 
>>> calories per hour of riding. 
>>>
>>> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
>>> calories."
>>>
>>> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at any 
>>> given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories as well 
>>> as eating them.
>>>
>>> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with the 
>>> proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my goal 
>>> was reaching half the distance.
>>>
>>> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 5:00. 
>>> Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus stronger 
>>> riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning to not only 
>>> ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride back. They laid 
>>> out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the finish with ample time 
>>> for their return trip.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3372.jpg]
>>>
>>> Riding early by bike light is always a treat. Devoid of its usual 
>>> measure of traffic, Los Angeles is a different town in the dark, and your 
>>> required level of city-riding spatial vigilance can relax to a pleasant 
>>> degree. 
>>>
>>> It was cool out but not cold, and I took off my riding jacket early on.
>>>
>>> I had hemmed and hawed about cutting the zip ties on my racing basket 
>>> and leaving it behind... In the end, I recognized whatever loss in 
>>> aerodynamics was going to be negligible for me, and having a place to shed 
>>> layers and plastic bags of dry roasted peanuts was a welcome convenience.
>>>
>>> The stretch of PCH in Santa Monica is one of the few that doesn’t have 
>>> an ample shoulder for bikes to stay out of the right lane. We rode in a 
>>> column, pulling each other along in a stream till we reached the hills at 
>>> Pepperdine University.
>>>
>>> I’ve learned I can climb most things if I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[ian m]

I'm not sure how it makes more sense to put a bag into another bag than 
into a basket, but to each their own. My perspective probably comes from 
living in the Bay Area where I refused to leave anything attached to my 
bike that didn't look like a part of the bike or was easily removable, far 
less likely someone is going to steal a basket than a bag. Also not gonna 
catch me walking into a building lugging a couple panniers or awkwardly 
carrying a saddlebag. I did for a time run a Freight Baggage bag that 
secured really well to a porteur rack and had backpack straps to carry 
off-bike, but overall it was kind of the worst of both worlds. I now use a 
leather tote-ish bag designed for a small wald basket I purchased from 
Treetop goods off this list some years ago, it's pretty much perfect for 
daily use whether commuting or out for a ride. Really can't see how I would 
be getting more with a different setup

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 6:42:11 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I used to put my work kit into a shoulder bag and put that bag into my 
> Carradice Camper Longflap; I still don't understand the advantages of a big 
> front basket except that you don't need to undo and re-do straps.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 4:31 PM ian m  wrote:
>
>> Short and sweet answer: I can put a bag in my basket and take it with me 
>> when I'm off the bike. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 5:18:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious why so many Rivendell-listers prefer baskets to rear 
>>> saddlebags or panniers -- saddlebags in particular because Rivendell has 
>>> perfected the rear saddlebag -- I've owned a dozen at least of Riv 
>>> saddlebags over the years as well as probably 2 dozen Carradices and Acorns 
>>> and what have you's -- currently have a late-model Rivendell 9 liter or so 
>>> saddlebag that replaced an already very nice 9 liter Carradice Junior, and 
>>> it is slightly more practical and much more nicely built and prettier (main 
>>> reason I got it) than the Junior.
>>>
>>> I've tried front and rear baskets, in the rear single rack-mounted 
>>> baskets and pannier baskets, in front as large as the Wald Newsboy; and 
>>> I've tried huge porteur front racks; but none, rear and especially front, 
>>> at least on medium trail frames, allowed the sort of straight-stable, 
>>> quick-cornering handling I like -- I sold my old Herse because it didn't 
>>> handle as I liked ("like" defined by my Rivendell Roads) with either 
>>> sizable rear or front loads.
>>>
>>> But for real, practical carrying -- groceries, errand loads, commuting 
>>> -- I've gone back over and over again to a light rack and panniers; just so 
>>> much more capacious and versatile, IME. I've carried 50 lb with aplomb in 
>>> thinwall, normal-gauge frames, all in the rear (not ideal but on at least 1 
>>> old frame very doable) or, better, 35 rear 15 front (current Matthews IGH 
>>> Riv Road clone).
>>>
>>> I can see light front loads for very long rides where you want to be 
>>> able to easily get at the bag's contents, and I am open to being convinced 
>>> that very heavy loads (50 lb of newspapers) do better on very sturdy, 
>>> low-trail fork-mounted front platforms, but for ordinary Everyman riding on 
>>> non-low-trail Rivendells?
>>>
>>> 49 lb:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Longboard:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[ian m]

Short and sweet answer: I can put a bag in my basket and take it with me 
when I'm off the bike. 

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 5:18:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm curious why so many Rivendell-listers prefer baskets to rear 
> saddlebags or panniers -- saddlebags in particular because Rivendell has 
> perfected the rear saddlebag -- I've owned a dozen at least of Riv 
> saddlebags over the years as well as probably 2 dozen Carradices and Acorns 
> and what have you's -- currently have a late-model Rivendell 9 liter or so 
> saddlebag that replaced an already very nice 9 liter Carradice Junior, and 
> it is slightly more practical and much more nicely built and prettier (main 
> reason I got it) than the Junior.
>
> I've tried front and rear baskets, in the rear single rack-mounted baskets 
> and pannier baskets, in front as large as the Wald Newsboy; and I've tried 
> huge porteur front racks; but none, rear and especially front, at least on 
> medium trail frames, allowed the sort of straight-stable, quick-cornering 
> handling I like -- I sold my old Herse because it didn't handle as I liked 
> ("like" defined by my Rivendell Roads) with either sizable rear or front 
> loads.
>
> But for real, practical carrying -- groceries, errand loads, commuting -- 
> I've gone back over and over again to a light rack and panniers; just so 
> much more capacious and versatile, IME. I've carried 50 lb with aplomb in 
> thinwall, normal-gauge frames, all in the rear (not ideal but on at least 1 
> old frame very doable) or, better, 35 rear 15 front (current Matthews IGH 
> Riv Road clone).
>
> I can see light front loads for very long rides where you want to be able 
> to easily get at the bag's contents, and I am open to being convinced that 
> very heavy loads (50 lb of newspapers) do better on very sturdy, low-trail 
> fork-mounted front platforms, but for ordinary Everyman riding on 
> non-low-trail Rivendells?
>
> 49 lb:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Longboard:
> [image: image.png]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Ian A]

Perhaps this RH journal post would give a bit more 
context 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/performance-is-important-for-slow-riders-too/

Either way, a well written article invoking wonder in the reader. So many 
beautiful places to explore in this world. 

IanA


On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:50:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> She is the one; Thanks. I have 1 or 2 photos of her riding gravel on Elk 
> Passes on her custom -- Path hunter? All rounder? Country bike? a Jobstian 
> "road bike is all you need"? -- bicycle with Elk passes; copied largely for 
> her perfect hoods riding position; but those photos are on another computer.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:41 PM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> Hi Partick,
>>
>> That would be Natsuko Hirose I believe (I could be wrong and normally 
>> am). 
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqn2MZJw9-Q=ygUZQWxsIHJvYWQgY3ljbGluZyBpbiBqYXBhbg%3D%3D
>>
>> IanA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:06:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> +1 for an XO-?-type bike; if a custom all the better since the XO-1, at 
>> least, and I daresay the other XOs, was very capable of improvement. I 
>> would wonder whether a Long Haul Trucker is overbuilt for someone so small. 
>>
>> The principal liability of a wheel size other than 700C is the number and 
>> type and quality of tires available, but I've been surprised at how many 
>> good road-ish 559 tires are currently for sale. I guess that the question 
>> is even more pertinent for 24" tires.
>>
>> A custom that can take 559 X 28 mm Elk Passes and 42 mm Naches Passes is 
>> very nice.
>>
>> I wish I could find and post a photo of Jan Heine's girlfriend (wife?) on 
>> her Elk Pass-shod road bike.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:13 PM Dave S  wrote:
>>
>> I have a red 1993 XO-3 48cm kicking around here somewhere.  I'm in NJ.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
>> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
>> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
>> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
>> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
>> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>>
>> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
>> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
>> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
>> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
>> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
>> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>>
>> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
>> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
>> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
>> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
>> Atlantis in 47cm?
>> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
>> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
>> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
>> Others???
>>
>> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a 
>> Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>>
>> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> Michael 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Ian A]

Hi Partick,

That would be Natsuko Hirose I believe (I could be wrong and normally 
am). 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqn2MZJw9-Q=ygUZQWxsIHJvYWQgY3ljbGluZyBpbiBqYXBhbg%3D%3D

IanA

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:06:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

+1 for an XO-?-type bike; if a custom all the better since the XO-1, at 
least, and I daresay the other XOs, was very capable of improvement. I 
would wonder whether a Long Haul Trucker is overbuilt for someone so small. 

The principal liability of a wheel size other than 700C is the number and 
type and quality of tires available, but I've been surprised at how many 
good road-ish 559 tires are currently for sale. I guess that the question 
is even more pertinent for 24" tires.

A custom that can take 559 X 28 mm Elk Passes and 42 mm Naches Passes is 
very nice.

I wish I could find and post a photo of Jan Heine's girlfriend (wife?) on 
her Elk Pass-shod road bike.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:13 PM Dave S  wrote:

I have a red 1993 XO-3 48cm kicking around here somewhere.  I'm in NJ.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.

I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 

I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 

I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
Atlantis in 47cm?
Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
Others???

I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur 
in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.

If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.

Thanks! 

Michael 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[ian m]

You may get one snowy ride in with this weekend's Noreaster

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:56:03 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Killer Kia, just killer!
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:21:06 PM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Flippin' heck, that is one wild build! Any idea on minimum saddle height 
>> and max tire size?
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-6 Teague Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Oh man. I’ve been waiting for the day one of these popped up here. Alas, 
>>> now is just not the time for me. Someone is gonna be a lucky dog!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nice build Kai - for sure the wildest Rivendell I've seen yet. Just 
 looking at your pics makes me want to go bike packing. Dare I say gnarly 
 ?!? 

 Sooner or later  it's gonna snow and you're gonna miss that two wheeled 
 pack mule . 

 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:31:47 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Beautiful bike!
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:35:50 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm on 
>> the short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the Betty 
>> Foy 
>> or Cheviot?
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell builds 
>>> I've seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm sure 
 you'll find it a new home.

 Bones

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. 
 -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever 
> since I put it together, it hasn’t snowed. So here for sale is the 
> bestest bike for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 
> at the 
> seat tube, but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here 
> asap. 
> Pictures
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
> Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with 
> internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty 
> lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack 
> can 
> carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack 
> only ever 
> having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant 
> to load 
> up the back of toptubeless frame. 
> I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see is 
> included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d like to 
> swap 
> out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen much of 
> the 
> world.
> Very rare! Highly collectible?!
> $2000.
> Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
> -Kai
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Black Mountain Cycles V5.5 Monstercross 60 cm Olive Oil

[ian m]

Why are all the cool bikes too large? Great price wish it could be mine

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 2:38:42 PM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hi Folks
> Reposted my bike to San Luis Obispo craigslist.  Black Mountain Cycles 
> Monstercross 60 cm - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - craigslist 
> 
>
> Bike build details in the CL ad. Typical parts bin build, rather from 
> parts bins of Riv list or ibob list people.  Currently shod with Maxxis 
> Refuse 700x40 smooth tires. 
>
> All offers accepted, not willing to part out at this time.
>
> Mike SLO CA 
>
> On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 9:16:02 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks
>>
>> I have a Monstercross from 2016. I don't ride it as much anymore, so I'd 
>> like it to go to a new home. $1500 entire bike sans saddle. On San Luis 
>> Obispo CL. Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross 60 cm - bicycles - by 
>> owner - bike sale - craigslist 
>> 
>>
>> I have roadie wheelset, for $350 extra:  Red Bitex hubs, black Pacenti 
>> Forza rims, 14-17 Sapim spokes, 32 hole.
>>
>> Pump peg, one set of eyelets on the front dropouts, two sets of eyelets 
>> on the rear dropouts, mid-fork rack eyelets, rack eyelets on seatstays, 
>> three sets of water bottle bosses, M5 bosses on the chainstay bridge and 
>> seat stay bridge for fender mounting.  
>>
>> Axle spacing, 100 mm front, 130 mm rear, takes conventional quick release 
>> wheels. Clearance for 29 x 2.1 tires (700 x 52), but equally at home with 
>> 700x35-38 tires.
>>
>> Seat tube – 60 cm center to center 
>>
>> Top tube – 58.5 cm / 22.5 inches center to center
>>
>> Standover height – 85 cm / about 33 inches with 700 x 52 tires 
>>
>> 27.2 mm Velo Orange Gran Cru 2-bolt seat post
>>
>> No-name sealed bottom bracket
>>
>> Cane Creek 1 1/8 inch headset
>>
>> Specialized eccentric 9 cm stem, Salsa Cowchipper bars 57 cm
>>
>> Paul Components canti brakes with Kool Stop pads 
>>
>> TRP brake levers with QR button
>>
>> Rivendell Silver V1 bar end shifters
>>
>> Shimano 105 RD
>>
>> Campagnolo Centaur 10-spd FD
>>
>> Sugino 170 crank 48-36-24, mix of Ritchey, IRD and TA chainrings
>>
>> LX or somesuch 10-spd cogset 32-11t
>>
>> Shimano 105 hubs, H-SON Plus TB-14 rims, 14 g DT spokes
>>
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[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Ian A]

One of the main reasons I have ridden SPD on my bikes for distance riding 
is for the foot support SPD shoes have offered and the fact I am not 
chewing up or wearing out all my shoes and runners. For commuting, I tend 
to wear light weight hiking boots and those work great with flat pedals. I 
rarely ever wear normal shoes or runners when cycling at all now. 

IanA

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:30:21 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> If you have been riding long enough you have likely tried the myriad types 
> of retention and non-retention systems (including shoes). Keds and flats on 
> my Stingray, Avocet (I think) shoes with clips and straps on my early 80s 
> Trek, clip-ins that my 2000s cycling friends told me I "had to have". 
> Ultimately being clipped or strapped in was a no go due to the frequncy of 
> being in and out of the pedal on my mostly urban rides. I've been happily 
> pedaling free for years using MKS Grip Kings, Adidas 5/10s and William 
> Lennon leather shoes. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:06:06 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> My modern cycling (80s onward) has been all with clips and straps then 
>> clipless (SPD). 
>>
>> Weeks after buying my first MTB I coincidentally trashed my right knee 
>> (not bike related injury) and it sat unused for almost nine months. When I 
>> began riding again it was on a Minoura track stand and required clips and 
>> straps to keep my errant right foot on the pedal since it tended to float 
>> off the pedal.  In an ill-advised move, I chose to get off the stand and go 
>> outside. First on my parent's half mile dead end road, then farther. My 
>> right foot continued to require clips and straps as I regained both leg 
>> strength and proprioception. I had to become a left foot stop/prop rider 
>> after years of doing that with my right foot. As my strength recovered, I 
>>  even used Keirin double strap clips before venturing into clipless.  
>>
>> I got my cycling mojo back and then some. I rode off road  strapped in 
>> tightly and had a cat like left hand swat to loosen the buckle of my on/off 
>> foot strap. I became discriminating about shoes as the tightened buckles 
>> would wear into the uppers quickly. When adopting SPDs I learned how 
>> important the show pedal interface was and how critical fit was.
>>
>> I've been SPD since their distribution began, best for me with Sidi 
>> Dominators. My love of fine clip and strap pedals waned despite my history 
>> and return to cycling because of them. My last pair were an XC Comp-bodied, 
>> Superbe Pro track-caged set that came on my MB-0, traded to (and perhaps 
>> the ones mentioned by) Patrick. 
>>
>> The shoes matter much, they dictate the alignment to the pedals when 
>> clipped in so if your foot isn't in them well, the pedals won't . I 
>> strongly agree with the BQ "Icons" selection of the Sidi Dominators. They 
>> fit me, my foot is in the right place on my SPDs with the right amount of 
>> movement for all of my riding. It's just how I roll. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
>>> out-of-context judgment.
>>>
>>> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
>>> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
>>> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>>>
>>> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
>>> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
>>> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
>>> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
>>> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
>>> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
>>> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
>>> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
>>> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
>>> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
>>> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
>>> mechanism). 
>>>
>>> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention 
>>> shoes but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find 
>>> the right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
>>> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
>>> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
>>> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
>>> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>>>
>>> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard 
>>> to give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger 

[RBW] Re: WTB: A Riv in SF on January 3rd. Also looking for some route tips

[ian m]

I haven't lived in the Bay area for some years now but as far as camping 
you can't go wrong anywhere in Marin. My #1 pick was always Samuel P 
Taylor, closer to the distance you're looking for, beautiful park, and a 
chill ride there and back 

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 11:59:32 AM UTC-5 KenP wrote:

> Ask Riv for a demo-loaner?
>
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 9:04:28 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> This may be a long-shot but I figured I would try.  I am traveling to SF 
>> this new year and my cousin and I were looking to do an overnight bike 
>> trip, leaving from and returning to SF.  I have been a long time lurker and 
>> poster here, and I am wondering if anyone in the SF area would consider 
>> lending me their Rivendell (size 59-65cm) from January 3rd to January 4th.  
>> I have decided not to pack my 63cm AHH for the journey.  I am happy to put 
>> down collateral of sorts.  It would be a pleasure to do the bike trip on a 
>> Rivendell, and I think any model would do.  If this is something you would 
>> consider, please reach out and we can talk on the phone and make sure we 
>> are both comfortable with it.
>>
>> Secondly, I am open to any route recommendations.  We are looking for 
>> 30ish miles each way.  Has anyone here camped on or around Pantoll?  We 
>> haven't reservations so we would use hiker/biker sites.  Any specific 
>> trails ya'll would recommend? 
>>
>> Thank you for considering this proposal and any route tips you may have.
>>
>> James
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Ian A]

If you disregard the Bridgestone/early GP provenance, it's just another 
90's road bike with limited clearance for tires. I would be inclined to 
value it for much the same as your previously owned  Fuji Team. The Fuji 
may have had lighter tubing than the RB1 so the bikes may ride quite 
differently, despite the similar geometry.

So many good modern Rivendell options for fairly similar money. Maybe cast 
a net for a used Roadini (or even a Black Mountain Cycles Road+ for 
example).

Not meaning to denigrate  the RB1 though! And that one linked is a nice 
example. Just a lot of $$ for what it is.
IanA Alberta Canada
On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:48:22 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
> one. 
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It was 
> a 56 and a hair too small. 
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day X2

[ian m]

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 9:53:48 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

Speaking of Homers, any idea when the next run will be? I had something in 
mind like Chef's bikelooks fantastic.

@Tim, can't wait to see updates when you build them up. 


Anyone know? Looking to get a Homer 

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[ian m]

Bill, I'm intrigued by your DIY parts mods. I imagine adapting the headset 
was relatively straightforward, but could you expand on the brake levers? 

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:54:46 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's true that single pivot Campy brakes were not super powerful.  How 
> many different sets of rims did you use them with?  When I settled on a 
> favorite rim, I thought the braking was quite good.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 7:37:51 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Kinda reminds me way back in the day when Campy Record single-pivot SP 
>> brakes were considered to be the best of the best.  It was mainly just name 
>> dropping by people who wanted bikes with a high-end build - they had poor 
>> stopping power.  The people at Campagnolo countered that their brakes were 
>> intended for racers to "modulate speed," not necessarily to provide better 
>> braking.
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 8:51:42 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The build will have a color matched Nobilette stem and a Shimano headset 
>>> that I converted from threaded to threadless in my workshop.  Rene Herse 
>>> cranks, brakes, fenders, front rack and pump will be present.  The wheel 
>>> set is a fancy high tech HED Ardennes RA Black, which is supposed to give 
>>> premier rim braking.  The drivetrain will be Dura Ace 7900 2x10, and I'll 
>>> use an NOS Dura Ace metal seat post.  Whether I run 32, 35 or 38 tires 
>>> remains to be seen and depends on whether I run it with fenders to start. 
>>>  The handlebars will be Nitto Soba Noodles and I'll be using home-modified 
>>> brakelevers.  Whether I run the front rack and fenders will influence 
>>> whether I run a handlebar bag, but if I do, I'll make another copy of a 
>>> home made decaleur that I've been running on two other bikes.  
>>>
>>> So from 10,000 feet, I would rate the BUC index fairly low (Build 
>>> Unconventionality Index).  There's nothing super weird about this build. 
>>>  My homemade headset, decaleur and brakelevers are not off the shelf, but 
>>> neither will they draw attention to themselves.  The biggest area of 
>>> exploration will be the brakes.  Rene Herse Cantilever users claim they are 
>>> the best thing out there.  It's my opinion as a mechanic that when you use 
>>> fairly non-adjustable brakes, your best bet is to have a frame builder 
>>> execute  the build with those brakes in mind, and that's what I've had 
>>> Nobilette do.  Finally, I notice that in the miles of discourse about 
>>> braking, everybody talks about setup, mechanical advantage, and brake pad 
>>> compound (with a bizarre assumption that koolstop salmon is the only 
>>> choice).  Nobody talks about rims.  The rim surface is at least as 
>>> important as the brake pads.  I think people don't talk about it because 
>>> they don't want to consider switching rims, because rims are too expensive 
>>> to switch.  Everybody either says "my braking is sub-optimal, what am I 
>>> missing?" or "my braking is awesome, but I can't explain why, or how you 
>>> can get what I've got".  When I was a shop mechanic, I got a reputation for 
>>> being a brake-guru.  Some of the local racers would only let me work on 
>>> their brake systems.  Still, there's a ton I don't know.  I ponied up for a 
>>> pretty expensive wheel set to see if truly premier rim-braking is something 
>>> one can buy.  I genuinely don't know what the results will be, but it's one 
>>> of the aspects I'm looking forward to.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:25:28 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 Just tremendous. My ideal Riv road is similar to Bill's ideal Riv road. 
 Can't wait to see how this turns out.

 Bill, any further teasers you want to share about the build? 

 Patch in NYC, but pretty soon in OAK, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr 52cm "H" blue frameset

[ian m]

Clem is SOLD to a friendly group member, thanks for the interest everyone

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 12:15:17 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> I can add a Rich-built velocity synergy w/ Deore wheelset and WTB Horizon 
> tires (as seen in original photo of complete bike, lots of life left but 
> rear tire is very dirty) for $250, if desired.
> F/F/HS/BB - $800
> Wheelset and tires - $250 (only with frame)
> Clem rear rack - $50 (only with frame)
>
> To answer a couple questions I've received: My PBH is 83, I was riding 
> with Albatross and a 10cm tallux, before that I has standard bullmoose 
> which were rad but a little long for my reach. Yes I will ship, my LBS will 
> package and you can choose the bikeflights shipping rate (ground, next day 
> air etc) and I won't charge "handling" or anything.
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 4:50:05 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>
>> Here's an album. Sorry for the weird setting but it's gray and sad 
>> outside for the next few months so I thought I'd get better lighting inside 
>> work. Hit me up with any questions!
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cRnWTwxHaWeoE5Wd8
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:04:05 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> Frame, fork, headset (cool rinko design), bb, seatpost. $800 OBO plus 
>>> bikeflights shipping, or maybe we can arrange pickup say 200ish mile radius 
>>> from Pittsburgh PA.
>>> Frameset is in great shape, some lovely beausage but no dents or serious 
>>> marring. First and only owner. I still need to borrow a crankpuller and 
>>> heatgun (to remove the stickers) so I don't have current pics of just the 
>>> frameset, but I will happily DM many before payment. Stickers and shellac'd 
>>> chainstay protector will be carefully and lovingly removed prior to 
>>> thorough frame cleaning. The Pletscher/Clem rear rack with pannier rails 
>>> can be added for another $50, no other parts are included. In the unlikely 
>>> event you have a Homer or Hillborne frameset you're looking to move, let's 
>>> make a deal.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0776.JPG]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr 52cm "H" blue frameset

[ian m]

I can add a Rich-built velocity synergy w/ Deore wheelset and WTB Horizon 
tires (as seen in original photo of complete bike, lots of life left but 
rear tire is very dirty) for $250, if desired.
F/F/HS/BB - $800
Wheelset and tires - $250 (only with frame)
Clem rear rack - $50 (only with frame)

To answer a couple questions I've received: My PBH is 83, I was riding with 
Albatross and a 10cm tallux, before that I has standard bullmoose which 
were rad but a little long for my reach. Yes I will ship, my LBS will 
package and you can choose the bikeflights shipping rate (ground, next day 
air etc) and I won't charge "handling" or anything.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 4:50:05 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> Here's an album. Sorry for the weird setting but it's gray and sad outside 
> for the next few months so I thought I'd get better lighting inside work. 
> Hit me up with any questions!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cRnWTwxHaWeoE5Wd8
>
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:04:05 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>
>> Frame, fork, headset (cool rinko design), bb, seatpost. $800 OBO plus 
>> bikeflights shipping, or maybe we can arrange pickup say 200ish mile radius 
>> from Pittsburgh PA.
>> Frameset is in great shape, some lovely beausage but no dents or serious 
>> marring. First and only owner. I still need to borrow a crankpuller and 
>> heatgun (to remove the stickers) so I don't have current pics of just the 
>> frameset, but I will happily DM many before payment. Stickers and shellac'd 
>> chainstay protector will be carefully and lovingly removed prior to 
>> thorough frame cleaning. The Pletscher/Clem rear rack with pannier rails 
>> can be added for another $50, no other parts are included. In the unlikely 
>> event you have a Homer or Hillborne frameset you're looking to move, let's 
>> make a deal.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0776.JPG]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Homer headbadge

[ian m]

LOVE the Saluki, Hunq, Cheviot, Appaloosa headbadges. Clem and Rosco are 
fun. Hard to get excited about the Homer, I get it

On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:

> The hunqapillar headbadge will always be the best.
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 3:36 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> Science fact-
>
> There’s no finer headbadge in the universe than that of thee Rosco Bubbe.
> -Kai
> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 5:24:44 PM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:
>
>> With the green twin top tube Rosco, it was that I just didn't like the 
>> rocket ship head badge. With the Homer, I like the head badge design but 
>> not the dark blue border. However, I did leave the head badge on my Wolbis.
>>
>> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 09:39:25 UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> lol.  As soon as I saw this, I knew you had to be the guy who removed 
>>> the head badge on what is now my Green Rosco.
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:51:52 AM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:
>>>
 Sold. Thanks!

 On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 05:34:25 UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> Just removed this head badge from my new A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I 
> like the look of the plain cream-colored head tube contrasting with the 
> mustard frame. Perfect condition. Amazing what you can do with nylon tire 
> irons. $35/shipped. Email me directly. Thanks, Paul in rainy Eugene 
> Oregon.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr 52cm "H" blue frameset

[ian m]

Here's an album. Sorry for the weird setting but it's gray and sad outside 
for the next few months so I thought I'd get better lighting inside work. 
Hit me up with any questions!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/cRnWTwxHaWeoE5Wd8


On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:04:05 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> Frame, fork, headset (cool rinko design), bb, seatpost. $800 OBO plus 
> bikeflights shipping, or maybe we can arrange pickup say 200ish mile radius 
> from Pittsburgh PA.
> Frameset is in great shape, some lovely beausage but no dents or serious 
> marring. First and only owner. I still need to borrow a crankpuller and 
> heatgun (to remove the stickers) so I don't have current pics of just the 
> frameset, but I will happily DM many before payment. Stickers and shellac'd 
> chainstay protector will be carefully and lovingly removed prior to 
> thorough frame cleaning. The Pletscher/Clem rear rack with pannier rails 
> can be added for another $50, no other parts are included. In the unlikely 
> event you have a Homer or Hillborne frameset you're looking to move, let's 
> make a deal.
>
> [image: IMG_0776.JPG]
>

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Ian A]

For what my opinion is worth, I rather like the seatpost. With the bag 
there, the seatpost doesn't draw attention and looks "right". However, 
custom seat posts are available, at not inconsiderable cost. Ti Cycles 
Fabrication (Portland) have some alluring options. Perhaps someone on this 
list knows of a custom maker who could create one from chromoly? Custom 
stems are available too. 

I would be very hesitant to ream the seat tube unless it was Rivendell 
approved. 

A fine looking bicycle indeed.

IanA Alberta Canada



On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:29:41 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I don’t need more setback than what I have - I bought this post for its 
> setback and it’s adequate. This one is ugly but it is the only choice for 
> 26.8. 
>
> Stem: I have the Nitto extra tall stem and you cannot get it longer than 
> 100mm. So, if I want to use a pretty seat post, I can, but I’d need to 
> pitch my tall stem and sacrifice height for reach. 
>
> So, I’m keeping my favorite stem and buying myself setback with that ugly 
> post. It’s the best option I can see at this point. 
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:21 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
> I thought the seatpost looked like a Sakae LTE-100 type.Not sure what 
> problems you have making you consider reaming the seat tube, but that post 
> has the most setback you can get.   If you need additional distance to the 
> bars, you could try a 10mm longer stem.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s 
>> Saddlesack, the BagBoy.
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
>> Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> Your changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you 
>> have??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> AND After…
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>>> image5.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>
>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>>
>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>>>
>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>>
>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>>
>>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Riv Road spotted

[Ian A]

Also noteworthy are the Sachs brakes, derailleurs and crankset.

IanA

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:57:14 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That is pretty indeed, and even the Paris Roubaix tires look new. Those 
> (at least, if they are the first generation) are wonderful tires, as nice 
> as any I've ridden from RH or Schwalbe's best (very good ideed). 
>
> I'm often surprised at how clean many owners keep their bikes. I'm careful 
> about the drivetrain and components but less so about the non-sliding parts.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 8:45 AM 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> While eating at one of our favorite coffee shops near Jamestown, Va. (on 
>> the Va. Capital Trail) recently, our group spotted this near-pristine 
>> Rivendell Road (?) parked at the outside deck. 
>> I don't see many of these in my neck of the woods so stopped to ask. The 
>> owner bought it new (maybe late 1990's?). I doesn't seem to have gotten 
>> much use, but maybe he is super-careful with the bike.[image: Inline 
>> image]
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
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[RBW] WTB Nitto R-14 Rear Rack

[ian m]

This is the model with the mount for a rear dynamo light. Anyone know why 
or when they were discontinued? Or if there's another option for a 
saddlebag support with a light mount? Pic for reference[image: 
_dpp_41398.jpg]

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[RBW] WTB Nitto R14 rear rack

[ian m]

This is the model withe the plate for mounting a rear light. Preferably 
without the tombstone but I don't think I can be picky. Anyone know 
when/why these were discontinued? or know of another good saddlebag support 
that I can mount a wired rear light to?

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Ian A]

*Sunrace (not Suntour!)

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:53:30 PM UTC-6 Ian A wrote:

> Pam,
>
> Have you considered trying downtube shifters? I have always loved bar end 
> shifters,  but one of my bikes has 9 speed downtube indexed (gasp!) 
> shifters which are just wonderful to use, and are my current favorites. 
> They are Shimano Dura Ace, but these seem unobtanium nowadays. Microshift 
> and Suntour both have options though. Shifting both derailleurs 
> simultaneously can be performed with one hand and the short cable run and 
> absence of shifter housing (except at the rear derailleur) mean there is 
> almost nothing to gum up with bad weather. 
>
> I have never had a cable head seize in a downtube shifter, but that could 
> be coincidence. I really like the grease/anti-seize idea Mike Godwin 
> mentioned.
>
> IanA Lake Louise, AB Canada
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:12:35 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Took it to REI after trying the pick.  Guy had to hammer it out w/a small 
>> awl.  Then when I tried to install a new cable - the head wouldn't go down 
>> until I had tension on the cable then the old cable housing gave up at a 
>> weak point and bent.  Now I'll need new housing in addition to the shifter 
>> and cable.  And now twine and shellac.  And this is the simplest shifter.  
>> I can't imagine the more complicated ones or internal cable routing, etc.  
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> I've stuck cable ends in the past, hate it, the worst problem I think. 
>>> Started putting grease on cable ends and a little dab in the shifter hole. 
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:04:37 AM UTC-7 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about cutting the cable off flush and drilling down with a fine 
>>>> drill bit partway into the cable head and tapping it with a hammer, or 
>>>> perhaps using a very fine nail as a tap, holding it with pliers and 
>>>> striking the nail with a hammer. Have you tried soaking it in boiling 
>>>> water?
>>>>
>>>> Russell Duncan
>>>> Saratoga WY
>>>> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 7:17:27 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tried the awl, then a small drill bit from behind then the guy at REI 
>>>>> put it in a vise and used a hammer and small punch to get it out.  This 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> a silver shifter that is ever so slightly smaller hole for the cable 
>>>>> head.  
>>>>> Thanks all for your help!
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s.  Now I have yet another front shifter w/another broken power 
>>>>> ratchet. UGH!  Maybe I can make one good one from the 3 broken ones but 
>>>>> how 
>>>>> to keep it all together?  The plate w/the pressfit looking rivet - how do 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:37:05 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had this very problem, and the cable head eventually freed with 
>>>>>> persistent prodding with an awl. A search on the Triathlon forum showed 
>>>>>> others had the same issue and soaking the cable in lube/oil/WD40 
>>>>>> overnight 
>>>>>> seems a good idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wrench_help!__Cable_stuck_in_bar_end_shifter_P3348164/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IanA
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:17:34 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put 
>>>>>>> it in the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I 
>>>>>>> need 
>>>>>>> to use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push 
>>>>>>>> it out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Ian A]

Pam,

Have you considered trying downtube shifters? I have always loved bar end 
shifters,  but one of my bikes has 9 speed downtube indexed (gasp!) 
shifters which are just wonderful to use, and are my current favorites. 
They are Shimano Dura Ace, but these seem unobtanium nowadays. Microshift 
and Suntour both have options though. Shifting both derailleurs 
simultaneously can be performed with one hand and the short cable run and 
absence of shifter housing (except at the rear derailleur) mean there is 
almost nothing to gum up with bad weather. 

I have never had a cable head seize in a downtube shifter, but that could 
be coincidence. I really like the grease/anti-seize idea Mike Godwin 
mentioned.

IanA Lake Louise, AB Canada

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:12:35 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Took it to REI after trying the pick.  Guy had to hammer it out w/a small 
> awl.  Then when I tried to install a new cable - the head wouldn't go down 
> until I had tension on the cable then the old cable housing gave up at a 
> weak point and bent.  Now I'll need new housing in addition to the shifter 
> and cable.  And now twine and shellac.  And this is the simplest shifter.  
> I can't imagine the more complicated ones or internal cable routing, etc.  
>
>
> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> I've stuck cable ends in the past, hate it, the worst problem I think. 
>> Started putting grease on cable ends and a little dab in the shifter hole. 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA 
>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:04:37 AM UTC-7 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What about cutting the cable off flush and drilling down with a fine 
>>> drill bit partway into the cable head and tapping it with a hammer, or 
>>> perhaps using a very fine nail as a tap, holding it with pliers and 
>>> striking the nail with a hammer. Have you tried soaking it in boiling water?
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan
>>> Saratoga WY
>>> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 7:17:27 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tried the awl, then a small drill bit from behind then the guy at REI 
>>>> put it in a vise and used a hammer and small punch to get it out.  This is 
>>>> a silver shifter that is ever so slightly smaller hole for the cable head. 
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks all for your help!
>>>>
>>>> p.s.  Now I have yet another front shifter w/another broken power 
>>>> ratchet. UGH!  Maybe I can make one good one from the 3 broken ones but 
>>>> how 
>>>> to keep it all together?  The plate w/the pressfit looking rivet - how do 
>>>> I 
>>>> do that?
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:37:05 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had this very problem, and the cable head eventually freed with 
>>>>> persistent prodding with an awl. A search on the Triathlon forum showed 
>>>>> others had the same issue and soaking the cable in lube/oil/WD40 
>>>>> overnight 
>>>>> seems a good idea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wrench_help!__Cable_stuck_in_bar_end_shifter_P3348164/
>>>>>
>>>>> IanA
>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:17:34 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put 
>>>>>> it in the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I 
>>>>>> need 
>>>>>> to use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push 
>>>>>>> it out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Ian A]

I had this very problem, and the cable head eventually freed with 
persistent prodding with an awl. A search on the Triathlon forum showed 
others had the same issue and soaking the cable in lube/oil/WD40 overnight 
seems a good idea.

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wrench_help!__Cable_stuck_in_bar_end_shifter_P3348164/

IanA
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:17:34 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put it in 
> the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I need to 
> use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push it out
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Ian]

Nice looking bike, that should open lots of riding opportunities!

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:

> I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a
> looker.
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last night.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9354.jpg]
>>
>> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE
>> group. Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the
>> thoughtful and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle
>> Center on Balboa.
>>
>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an
>> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it
>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an
>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but
>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>>
>> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on a
>> photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me more?
>>
>> [image: IMG_9355.jpg]
>>
>> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 56
>> mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this good
>> but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try some RH
>> Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm narrower, so I
>> expect some expansion.)
>>
>> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Ian]

What a great outcome

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:09 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan and Danny. Just rode another 3 miles on a quick bank errand,
> no skips. Will have to try a longer ride when it dries out.
>
> Also installed a Brooks Pro I purchased from Two Wheeled Texan's Grand
> Relocation Parts Blowout and I liked it!
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:15:42 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Glad this saga had a happy ending!I bet you're relieved
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:20:22 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Ooops, didn't see your update just before I posted. Glad you got it
>>> worked out!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:16:54 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious to hear what ends up resolving the issue. I hope it's as
 easy as a new cassette, but I'm most intrigued by it being related to the
 elongated hole.

 Re: alignment tools, after borrowing my friend's Park DAG a handful of
 times over a few months, I decided to buy my own tool. Ended up with the
 Wolf Tooth one that Stephen linked to. Have only used it once so far, but I
 found it to work quite well. Doesn't take up much room in the drawer, and I
 don't have to endure the frequent screeching of metal sliding on metal that
 I experienced with the Park tool.

 -Danny

 On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:52 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> George: Thanks for reading along! Yes, the Helicoil seems like a more
> robust solution, I agree.
>
> Jason: Noted! If only Riv would bring back those beefy headset presses
> they got a super limited run of a few years ago. Never need one but... 
> they
> seemed awesome.
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:21:45 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Eric, you've *got* to get a DAG alignment tool!  The heavy steel
>> one, avoid the new lighter one. It's a must have for the home mechanic of
>> fine steel frames that do not have replaceable hangers.  I use it every
>> time the derailleur is pulled off for any reason, or if I'm having any
>> stubborn shifting issue - it's amazing how often it's just because the
>> alignment was out slightly.
>>
>> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 12:17:13 UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> This is one of the more interesting posts/threads having to do with
>>> bike repairs that has come along in awhile (with no intention to 
>>> downplay
>>> the unfortunate accident!).  I like the final post about a Helicoil or
>>> dropout saver recommendation.  My own preference would likely be the
>>> Helicoil because you have to tap in new larger diameter threads in 
>>> order to
>>> install the coil, which seems like it would stabilize the damaged hanger
>>> better.  Having view the dropout saver at the Wheels Mfg. website, I'm 
>>> not
>>> sure how well that would work in this case.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Further ideas: Antonio at Riv suggested getting a Helicoil tool in
 the M10x1.0 size to repair the bolt hole. Brian Chapman recommended
 installing a Wheels Mfg. dropout saver. Either would attempt to repair 
 the
 bolt hole.

 I'm open to trying either of those fixes as well.

 On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:17:55 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Thanks for the replies, everyone.
>
> A few asked about the chain jumping/skipping/slipping. When the
> chain is under load it slips or clunks repeatedly. It's kind of like 
> when
> you're in the wrong gear and you need to trim the gear to get it 
> right. But
> no amount of trimming is fixing the issue.
>
> I've tried three different derailers, same problem. The cassette
> was new in summer of 2022 and I haven't ridden in the three big gears
> enough to wear out the teeth of the cogs. It's an S-Ride 7s from 
> Rivendell,
> it's an 11-32. The crank is the same age, installed last summer. 
> SunXCD
> crank with TA Specialites rings, 42/26. I don't see any issues with 
> the
> wheel (it's running true) or with worn cassette or chainring teeth. 
> Also no
> play in the freehub body.
>
> The elongated hole: It could be the derailer is flexing in the
> hole, hard to determine this off the bike. Derailer seems seated when 
> I try
> to move it around in my hand, doesn't wobble.
>
> I have *not yet* tried installing a different wheel and cassette.
> That will be next. Should have tried that *much* earlier in the
> process.
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:57:01 AM UTC-4 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Oops, I just noticed Stephen had already made the point about 

Re: [RBW] Re: tube tear at valve stem base — any ideas why and how to fix?

[Ian]

I have had similar issues on a one bike. it turned out that the tires which
where a tight fit developed a split. So as you inflate opens traps you tube
and down she goes.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 2:10 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> These type of flats are basically the only flats I've received in the past
> decade or so - mostly because I am very particular and adamant about
> checking my air pressures before riding. As such, it has caused me to
> retain tubes for probably longer than most folks, and I'm assuming that has
> in turn led to issues with the tubes degrading there at the base of the
> valve stems. That said, it is very odd that you had three such flats in the
> same ride... very curious. I'm sorry that happened to you, and hopefully
> you can find the source of the issue!
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:49 PM J J  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ryan. Yes, the narrower tube got me home, but by that point it
>> was only a short 1.5 miles away. I'm not confident that the narrow tube
>> will be ok on a greater distance because I burned through three tubes of
>> varying makes and specs. I'm riding different wheels until I sort this out.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be interested to hear what others say about this...I should check
>>> my X0-1's inner tubes  which has been plagued with mysterious flats and at
>>> no time have I been able to find anything embedded in the tire or issues
>>> with the rim i.e. protruding spokes. In a lot of cases, I would make it
>>> home from the ride , but when I went on a ride the next day, the front or
>>> rear tire would be flat. Tires are 26 X 1.5 Compass McClure Pass and I've
>>> been cursing them , probably unfairly.
>>>
>>> Interesting that the tube specced for a narrower tire got you home and I
>>> assume it's still not causing flats?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:54:21 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Hi, I was inspired by Matthew's "Patch or Replace Tire" thread, but
 didn't want to usurp it with my question/issue, so I'm starting a new one.

 My tire went flat during a recent ride on my Hunq. Upon inspection I
 saw that there was a tear near where the valve stem attaches to the inner
 tube. No biggie. I replaced the tube with a spare, got back to riding, but
 within 15 minutes, another flat. Same tear in the same location. I replaced
 the tube with yet another spare. This was starting to feel weird. The same
 thing happened within a few more miles, another tube gone.

 I had no more spare tubes, but a buddy gave me one that is specced for
 narrower tires. I managed to get back home without incident.

 The attached pic shows where the tear occurred in each instance.

 But three flats on a single ride! I replaced the tubes the way I always
 do. Nothing dramatic about it. I used a pump to inflate two, and a C02
 cartridge to inflate another. I snugged the valve nut like I always do, not
 too tight, not too loose. I handled the valve stem carefully, no jerking or
 bending it. The air pressure was about medium, not too high, not too low.

 I used three different types of tubes, one a Schwalbe, another was a
 no-name, and the other was a Teravail. I inspected the 50mm Schwalbe
 Marathon tire carefully and found nothing of concern, no glass, screws,
 metal, shards, etc. The Lesnik-built wheel itself had run fine for many,
 many miles with no issues, no flats, nothing, and is in excellent
 condition. I had been riding on smooth pavement when the flats occurred,
 and there was nothing remarkable on the road.

 But suddenly, on that day, all inner tube hell broke loose. I'm
 stumped. I don't know what to do differently so I've been thinking about
 the saying (misattributed to Einstein): "Insanity is doing the same thing
 over and over again and expecting different results."

 I'd be grateful for any ideas you might have or experiences you can
 share.

 Thanks!!

 Jim


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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[Ian]

Thanks for the history Elton, and clearing up my issues on size. It served
me well and luckily no cars or Rottweilers spoils my fun. It’s crazy how
these Riv’s travel around.
It must of returned to MA at some point.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:34 PM Elton Lance  wrote:

> I can’t help but chime in here. . .
>
> I worked at Harris Cyclery for 16 years.  The first 8 of those were
> side-by-side with Sheldon, who passed in February, 2008.  This frame is one
> I purchased new from Rivendell in the original Russian green.  It was 2004,
> IIRC. This bike never belonged to Sheldon.  I was involved in working with
> Harriet Fell, his widow, in finding homes for many bikes in his personal
> collection, though this was not one of those.
>
> One dark and rainy night in October, 2006, I was riding home from work,
> lit like a Christmas tree, and was struck by a hit-and-run driver.  I went
> over the car and the bike suffered top tube damage such that Sheldon said,
> “I wouldn’t ride it if it was mine!”.  So back to Rivendell it went for a
> new top tube. I don’t know for sure who did the work.  When it was
> repaired, Mark Abele called me to ask what color I would like to have it
> repainted. Red!  And so it was. . .
>
> Six months later, I was attacked by a rottweiler in nearly the same spot.
> The bike was unharmed but I was not.  The settlement I received from the
> dog’s owner paid for a good bit of my first JP Weigle (happy ending).
>
> Shortly thereafter, I sold the bike to Gino Ganz (sp?) in CA.  Beyond
> that, I’ve lost track.  It’s fun to see it re-emerge from time to time.
>
> It’s like a game of telephone, it seems.  But them’s the facts.
>
> It was listed by Rivendell as a 61cm.  It’s one of the ones I wish I’d
> kept!
>
> Elton Lance (formerly Pope-Lance)
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Ian's a nice guy with nice bikes and someone should buy this nice guy's
> bike!
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Sent ya a PM, to both ride2almostanywhere and joyianbegley
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:03:57 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Killer
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:01:54 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> DD,
>>>>  Pm to. ride2almostanywhere@ gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ian
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PM sent. And I’m local!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dustin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, that red is amazing!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB
>>>>> to top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery,
>>>>> tasked with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial
>>>>> no. AT0618.
>>>>> Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or
>>>>> dings on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a bike
>>>>> that age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer enamel (see
>>>>> photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the bottom bracket
>>>>> is a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions and in good
>>>>> working order. Recently downsized, so space constraints necessitates 
>>>>> letting
>>>>> it go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the frameset professionally 
>>>>> boxed
>>>>> at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay shipping and insurance or pick up 
>>>>> unboxed
>>>>> in the Richmond, VA area. PM me with any questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>> Richmond, VA
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[Ian]

Lunch ride today was fantastic weather for this time of year. Eric get your
Hillborne back up and running and join us.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:38 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Ian's a nice guy with nice bikes and someone should buy this nice guy's
> bike!
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Sent ya a PM, to both ride2almostanywhere and joyianbegley
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:03:57 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Killer
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:01:54 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> DD,
>>>>  Pm to. ride2almostanywhere@ gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ian
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PM sent. And I’m local!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dustin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, that red is amazing!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB
>>>>> to top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery,
>>>>> tasked with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial
>>>>> no. AT0618.
>>>>> Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or
>>>>> dings on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a bike
>>>>> that age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer enamel (see
>>>>> photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the bottom bracket
>>>>> is a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions and in good
>>>>> working order. Recently downsized, so space constraints necessitates 
>>>>> letting
>>>>> it go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the frameset professionally 
>>>>> boxed
>>>>> at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay shipping and insurance or pick up 
>>>>> unboxed
>>>>> in the Richmond, VA area. PM me with any questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>> Richmond, VA
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[Ian]

DD,
 Pm to. ride2almostanywhere@ gmail.com

Thanks Ian

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D  wrote:

> PM sent. And I’m local!
>
> Dustin
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Wow, that red is amazing!
>
> Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley  wrote:
>
> Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB to
> top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery, tasked
> with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial no.
> AT0618.
> Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or dings
> on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a bike that
> age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer enamel (see
> photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the bottom bracket is
> a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions and in good working
> order. Recently downsized, so space constraints necessitates letting it
> go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the frameset professionally boxed
> at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay shipping and insurance or pick up unboxed
> in the Richmond, VA area. PM me with any questions.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283
>
> Ian
> Richmond, VA
>
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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[Ian]

It’s called “brick red” sorry I do not have a pms match
Ian
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D  wrote:

> PM sent. And I’m local!
>
> Dustin
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Wow, that red is amazing!
>
> Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley  wrote:
>
> Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB to
> top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery, tasked
> with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial no.
> AT0618.
> Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or dings
> on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a bike that
> age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer enamel (see
> photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the bottom bracket is
> a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions and in good working
> order. Recently downsized, so space constraints necessitates letting it
> go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the frameset professionally boxed
> at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay shipping and insurance or pick up unboxed
> in the Richmond, VA area. PM me with any questions.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283
>
> Ian
> Richmond, VA
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Re: [RBW] FS: New Steve Potts Siskiyou Bar

[Ian]

Paul,
 These look similar to a bar Surly put out of course they don’t have that
Lucious finish or clamp diameter.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:21 PM Paul M  wrote:

> Unique multi-position handlebar that I never used. Mount your grips,
> levers and shifters on the rearward sweep and have the forward handles as
> an alternate position. Made by Nitto with the satin nickel appearance. $150
> plus shipping. These are sold out everywhere. Contact me off list for more
> information and pictures. Thanks, Paul
>
> 760mm width
> 30 degree sweep
> 80mm reach
> 72mm back reach
> 25.4mm bar clamp
> requires a faceplate stem
> retail $150
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Re: [RBW] Ride report & Gus joy

[Ian]

Agreed it looks t like a great trip and testament for the Gus.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:01 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> Looks like a great ride and time! I’m happy to hear the Gus is working out
> so well for you to complement the Clem!
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Great report and great pics. Thanks Richard. Your Gus looks and sounds
>> like fantastic fun. That’s what it’s all about.
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LxcQTboPypPcMp5aA
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious  two night bikepacking
>>> adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized by
>>> invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in
>>> Manchester". I drove from my  home in Toledo to meet up with three other
>>> riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to
>>> our host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile chill
>>> paced ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on
>>> arrival and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our host's
>>> Ford Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful
>>> meal/brew. Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday -
>>> choosing one of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I
>>> joined one other for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this
>>> gorgeous bike ride over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through beautiful
>>> rural countryside. We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my
>>> favorite section. The route passed through Chelsea for another nice
>>> mid-ride meal & the ride back to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful
>>> blue sky, rolling crop fields, cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are
>>> tough to beat. By the time we returned to camp another dozen or so folks
>>> had arrived who did not have time to do the full three days. Pizza, beer,
>>> frisbee (with Nate's cherished Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog
>>> playing & giant bonfire all happened. Another night under a clear, star
>>> filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday morning's ride back to Ann Arbor
>>> was a shorter (22 mike) route but still beautiful & at times a bit more
>>> spirited. Every single time I crested another gravel covered hill I got
>>> giddy as a child getting to descend on the Gus. The gravel could get a bit
>>> loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly noticed. The last few miles entering
>>> Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is
>>> really a nice place to be on a bike. It is very bike friendly in my
>>> estimation. Very nice with the exception of it being the home of that awful
>>> team "up north".:)
>>> I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My
>>> mind was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has the
>>> smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the hills.
>>> I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the Gus
>>> is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a bad
>>> decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is
>>> unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay
>>> bikes are "it". Zero drawbacks and so many advantages for my riding. It is
>>> a heavy bike, no getting around that fact. But the weight simply disappears
>>> when riding and oh how I love my 2 x 7 setup. The front derailleur is a joy
>>> to use, taking me back to a time before my bikes had 1x drivetrains. And, I
>>> may never ride another bike not Bosco equipped. Comfort is king.:)
>>> All in all a really great experience that I look forward to repeating.
>>> Link to pics to follow...
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

[Ian]

Toshi,
 No braze ons for the current run of Roadini’s but the wider tires would
certainly sweeten the ride. Some great ideas on setting up the bags. I will
have to try food up front and everything else in the back.
Ian

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on carbon
> fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini and have a
> much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably better
> (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I were
> considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice as it
> balances speed and comfort.
>
> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I had
> no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have any
> handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front
> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food
> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into
> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is
> not necessary.
>
> Good luck,
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Ride report & Gus joy

[Ian]

Sounds like lots of fun, so good to see a Gus and a Clem in their element

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 5:12 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Valerie...
>
> It is the Rivendell Bicycle Works magic that makes your Gus fly !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Love the report and love my Gus. It is crazy good fun climbing and
>> descending dirt fire roads. My handling on rough terrain is so much more
>> confident than on any other bike. I don't understand it. It is a big, long,
>> and heavy bike but it flies.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:56:01 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Kim, what I meant to say is that I have no desire to ride any other
>>> handlebar than Bosco’s. Both of my bikes have Bosco’s.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 12:11 AM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thank-you very much for sharing Richard. I thoroughly enjoyed reading
>>> your ride report. I am glad that you had a good time. I really enjoyed
>>> reading your feedback on riding your Gus and finding that pure joyful
>>> feeling when you find your comfort zone to bring you big smiles.
>>>
>>> What front derailleur are you running on your Gus ?
>>>
>>> You do not like to riding with Bosco handlebars no more ?  What bars are
>>> you using on your Gus ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:01:40 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Looks like a great ride and time! I’m happy to hear the Gus is working
 out so well for you to complement the Clem!

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Great report and great pics. Thanks Richard. Your Gus looks and sounds
> like fantastic fun. That’s what it’s all about.
>
> On Jul 24, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LxcQTboPypPcMp5aA
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious  two night bikepacking
>> adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized 
>> by
>> invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in
>> Manchester". I drove from my  home in Toledo to meet up with three other
>> riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to
>> our host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile 
>> chill
>> paced ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on
>> arrival and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our 
>> host's
>> Ford Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful
>> meal/brew. Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday 
>> -
>> choosing one of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I
>> joined one other for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this
>> gorgeous bike ride over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through 
>> beautiful
>> rural countryside. We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my
>> favorite section. The route passed through Chelsea for another nice
>> mid-ride meal & the ride back to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful
>> blue sky, rolling crop fields, cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are
>> tough to beat. By the time we returned to camp another dozen or so folks
>> had arrived who did not have time to do the full three days. Pizza, beer,
>> frisbee (with Nate's cherished Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog
>> playing & giant bonfire all happened. Another night under a clear, star
>> filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday morning's ride back to Ann 
>> Arbor
>> was a shorter (22 mike) route but still beautiful & at times a bit more
>> spirited. Every single time I crested another gravel covered hill I got
>> giddy as a child getting to descend on the Gus. The gravel could get a 
>> bit
>> loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly noticed. The last few miles 
>> entering
>> Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is
>> really a nice place to be on a bike. It is very bike friendly in my
>> estimation. Very nice with the exception of it being the home of that 
>> awful
>> team "up north".:)
>> I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My
>> mind was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has 
>> the
>> smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the 
>> hills.
>> I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the 
>> Gus
>> is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a 
>> bad
>> decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is
>> unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay
>> 

Re: [RBW] Nitto R-14 Rear Struts Attachment Points

[ian m]

Q's for anyone that may know: Is the R-14 model discontinued or is 
everywhere just out of stock at the moment? Is there any other small 
saddleback support rack that can mount a rear wired light?

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:04:21 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here’s how I’m running my R14:
> [image: 
> F11x5vN0QSPauM4Q6QWenDWpCBSRMNFFivkAn-wehoMFoF1xcpDlt8TEsFsg7o-5P6I1nJBggf0DAhVbCj9tJd9oUsssDl0qiW5unBVPWz2NR80HU310OnXnKHEICwAz3PYpCSEwxQ=w600-h315-p-k.jpeg]
>
> R14 rack 
> app.goo.gl 
> 
> I’m using this rack primarily as a saddlebag support, so I didn’t feel the 
> need to take the stays all the way down to the dropouts. Plus, I think this 
> looks way better. Of course, I had to do sone creative bending of those 
> front stays.
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Mike  wrote:
>
> To all the lighter duty rear rack users out there, 
>
>
> The Nitto R14 rack has rear struts that allow for connection to 2 and even 
> 3 possible locations on some Riv frames, and I am curious which ones others 
> use or prefer and why?  This question applies to those running the RBW51 or 
> M1 as a rear rack, too. I see installations that use the upper dropout 
> eyelets, others the lower hourglass brazeons on seat stays,  and some the 
> mid stay hourglass brazeons.  Does anyone’s preference vary on different 
> frame models, or even different frame sizes? 
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[RBW] Re: Roadini 1000 mile review

[Ian A]

Piaw,

Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide tires 
and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with and 
without fenders are? 

Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip overlap 
(TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you experience 
TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were referencing the 
Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It gets 
rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I know 
how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".

IanA Alberta Canada
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html
>
> I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are simply 
> 1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.
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[RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Ian A]

I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is fresh. 
I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings because if 
they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for me is the 
shifting has gone weird.  

When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly seated. If 
needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR and a couple of 
washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female splines on the 
lockring.

IanA

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>
> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this myself 
> before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and 
> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced some 
> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's 
> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>
> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now (loosen and 
> re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an older, wiser me in a 
> year or two when I change the cassette again?
>
> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>
> THANKS!
>
> Adam
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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Ian A]

In a set of Lone Peak panniers I used to have, the plastic stiffeners they 
came with  actually broke to pieces. I replaced them with thin sheets of 
plywood. Perhaps 1/4" thick.  Sand and round the edges so it doesn't abrade 
through the fabric. It would be a more permanent solution compared to new 
coroplast.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 9:06:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Disk brake dissatisfaction, switch to rim brakes [Was: Son Hub advice]

[Ian A]

I've worn a few out. One front rim unpeeled itself like a can of Spam! One 
set of ims wore out after a couple of years commuting in Vancouver BC. The 
other set wore out on a tour. I had about 12000km on the front rim when it 
did the unpeeling trick. I have also worn out a rim here in Alberta on my 
winter commuter. That took a few years though.

Russ from Path Less Pedaled interviewed Sam Alison from Singular Cycles 
recently. Sam is an Australian who has lived in the UK since 2005 (if 
memory serves) and he said that disc brakes were one of the most important 
advances in cycling. I grew up on the UK south coast and rain was a way of 
life for us! Liquid sunshine. 

In Alberta, it rarely rains and I am often homesick for those days of 
gentle rain. The best dog walking and jogging weather on the planet! Bike 
rims are almost as consumable as tires there in the UK.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> How often have you worn out a rim completely from rim brakes? I can tell 
> you the answer for me: exactly once.
> I owned a Bridgestone MB-3 from 1993 to 2007. In its first year I rode it 
> in Seattle, where a dry ride is one in which you submerge only one hub. I 
> carried spare brake pads on every ride, and I would wear out brake pads 
> every other ride. I rode in conditions where the BB would die after 3 
> months and the bike shop would comment that "we don't warranty bicycles 
> that have been treated like submersibles." After that year, I moved to 
> California and rode that bike in all conditions as well. Having said that, 
> it doesn't rain that much in California. it took 14 years before the rims 
> on the original bike wore out. By then I'd given the bike to my brother and 
> he bought new wheels for it.
>
> For all my other bikes (which also see all weather use), I see multiple 
> (as in more than 10) brake pads use before I started using dental calipers 
> to measure the rim. I still have yet to wear one out. Most of the time if I 
> have to retire a rim it's because of a dent in it or other physical trauma 
> rather than brake pad wear. Sure, I live in California, but I ride year 
> round and I tour with my bikes in places where it rains. By contrast, my 7 
> year old has already bent a brake rotor on his Woom 4 beyond repair and he 
> doesn't weigh 60 pounds!
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 6:09 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the responses. Very interesting opinions on the pluses and 
>> minuses of disk brakes. 
>>
>> Disk brakes are obviously in many instances a matter of personal 
>> preference; rather like people who like wide bars versus those who hate 
>> anything much over 42 cm at the hoods.
>>
>> Me, I fully agree that rim brakes are perfectly fine, my exception is for 
>> bikes ridden in dirt or in dirty conditions; I've seen rim wear from 
>> calipers in a single wet, messy 20 mile ride on pavement. 
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 7:10 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Hydraulic disc brakes - turn the bike upside down or lay it on it's side 
>>> and the brakes get mushy. It is impossible to get 100% of the air out of 
>>> the system, so the "best" mechanics tell me , so changing the orientation 
>>> of the bike will reintroduce air into the system and then you have to play 
>>> with the brakes for a minute or so to get them back. 
>>> Quick release disc brakes - have to reposition the caliper most of the 
>>> time after re-installing the wheel. 
>>>
>>> Advantages of disk brakes - none that I have found. Just like V-brakes, 
>>> I cannot find any real increase in braking with disc or V-brakes over 
>>> cantilevers. Cantilevers have a slight advantage over side-pulls, but very 
>>> little over center-pulls. I spent the money on Paul Klampers and brake 
>>> levers. The levers are the best, money well spent, and the Klampers are 
>>> better than BB-7s in that they set up easier, but better braking than rim 
>>> brakes - I would like to see it to justify the money, but I cannot.
>>>
>>> I put all the hoopla about the advantages of disc brakes in the same 
>>> category as frame "planing". I just don't see it. The Emperor has no 
>>> clothes.
>>> Has Jan Heine ever done any scientific research on brakes the way he has 
>>> with tires?
>>> The only truly massive difference in braking that I have ever seen is 
>>> when I went from chrome rims (Schwinn Varsity Sport) to aluminum rims 
>>> (Schwinn Super Sport) *in the rain*, now that is a big difference!
>>>
>>> I like a bike that disappears when I ride. I check the tire pressure, 
>>> then get on and "Just Ride".
>>> I don't have to worry about replacing batteries in the lights or 
>>> derailleurs, it doesn't handle weird or fight me, it doesn't beat me to 
>>> death, everything just works. Inflating deflated tires (common thing when 
>>> you own too many bikes) only requires a pump, not a procedure.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> who doesn't necessarily take cycling advice from people whose 

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: TC hub, chromed, finally!

[Ian A]

Patrick:

Thank you for the detailed write-up and the photos. To see such superb old 
technology restored (and adapted where needed/desired) is inspiring. The TC 
looks magnificent with the new chrome. Aaron clearly knows his stuff.  It 
seems you prefer the TF for your riding style. To think 1937 construction 
and technology holds its own against 2023 market offerings shows the 
ingenuity of those 1930's designers and engineers.

The Paul fixed/fixed with a dingle certainly match and possibly exceed the 
early British devotion to quality and design, but for the practical 
elegance of shifting a two speed fixed gear drivetrain on the fly, those  
Sturmey Archer hubs hold their own and more.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ian: Here finally are photos as I promised of the 1999 Joe Starck fixed 
> gear 26" wheel custom with the TC hub and with the Elk Pass tires back on 
> in place of the Naches Passes.
>
> I'm copying the list in case anyone is interested.
>
> The TC came from a IHG aficionado on the IGH list who has owned far more 
> old SA IGH hubs than I. The innards were good, so I had the rusty shell 
> re-chromed in Seattle and the innards inspected, cleaned, and lubed by 
> IGH-meister Aaron at Rat City Bikes in the same city (Aaron orchestrated 
> the chroming at a local shop). Aaron also swapped out the TC-specific 
> 12-spline driver for a modern AW driver so I can use modern 3/32" cheap SA 
> cogs. (The TF has the same 12-spline pattern but won't accept an AW driver, 
> so I had modern cogs adapted to fit that 12-spline driver; works fine.)
>
> Again: TC: direct + 86.54%, so 76" and 66"; TF: direct + 75% -- like 
> shifting from a 52 to a 39 t ring: 76" and 57".
>
> The TF has almost no lash; it feels much like the Phil fixed/fixed hub. 
> The TC has less lash than the unfortunate S3X but enough that it seems to 
> have the defects of freewheel and fixed: there is much banging on over-run. 
> Perhaps I need to work on my pedal stroke.
>
> If anyone has a TF and would like to trade for an as-new TC, please look 
> me up. (Craig: are you listening? Otherwise it's a shout into the abyss, 
> I'm sure.) I can get similar ratios to the TC with my Phil and a 17/19 
> Dingle: 76" and 68", and the wheel has a QR skewer.
>
> Altogether under $500 total for the hub, about half what I spent for the 
> TF which was NOS with all the bits including the quadrant shifter on the 
> tt, + a handfull of NOS 1/8" 12-spline SA cogs, all shipped from England.
>
> Shifter: That's the TF shifter in the picture. I had thought it pulled 
> insufficient cable to shift the TC reliably; on my first test runs the TC 
> started to skip in underdrive after a few miles. Looking back on things, I 
> rather think that was because I had one of those combo 
> slotted-head/Phillips head screws on the clamp and didn't torque it down 
> hard enough. I replaced that bolt with an allen head bolt and at least on 
> today's ride there was no skipping. But I did not stand and mash mightily 
> up hills in underdrive. I did find a NOS -- and much prettier: silver -- 
> quadrant 3-speed shifter on British eBay, which has a much longer pull 
> between 1 and 2 than between 2 and 3, and I may install that when I next 
> mess with the wheel and shifting setup.
>
> I'm sure everyone has long since stopped reading, so I'll stop writing. 
> But nice mid-workday ride on a pretty Spring day at 61*F, sun (finally!), 
> low humidity, and moderate wind.
>
> I add a couple of pics of #2 with the TF and the Naches Passes, which I 
> rode for a week or so on our moisture-firmed ditchbank roads.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Ian A]

The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like the 
relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also do 
a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend 
and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur 
and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, 
but what if something happened to the primary rando?  N+1 is real. N-1 is 
pure fantasy.

Willet: Ecuador has some made taxes on imports of most products, but Pasto 
in Colombia is only 50 miles from the Ecuador border. You could very 
gradually bring your bikes in one at a time!  

IanA Alberta Canada

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:45:16 AM UTC-6 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Brake Problem

[Ian A]

Would a thinner brake pad help? Kool Stop make their excellent thin line 
series. 


On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:36:19 AM UTC-6 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm familiar with the adjuster on the lever and with cable splitters, 
> since I have a coupled tandem (which I will be selling soon).  The cable 
> splitter won't work on the front brake since the housing runs from lever to 
> caliper.  I'm not familiar with the Shimano in line QR.  Looks interesting. 
>  Perhaps before I buy the next set of tires.
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:32:19 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>
>> Shimano make an inline cable adjuster with quick release 
>> https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/ultegra-r8000/SM-CB90.html
>>
>> Alternatively cable splitters would work, but they would not allow tool 
>> free wheel removal  
>> https://www.ticycles.com/components/da-vinci-cable-splitters
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:12:27 PM UTC-6 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The brakes on my wife's Betty Foy are driving me nuts.  This is a stock 
>>> bike, in fact it was RBWs sales bike and it came with Bosco bars, Techtro 
>>> 559 side pull clippers and Shimano levers. There is no QR on the levers and 
>>> a minimal one on the calipers This is a very poor combination as I can only 
>>> get an inflated 38mm tire  off and on, while the frame can handle a 42mm 
>>> tire.  I wonder what GP was thinking when he made this choice.
>>>
>>> Has anyone found a work around to improve this situation?
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Brake Problem

[Ian A]

Shimano make an inline cable adjuster with quick 
release 
https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/ultegra-r8000/SM-CB90.html

Alternatively cable splitters would work, but they would not allow tool 
free wheel removal  
https://www.ticycles.com/components/da-vinci-cable-splitters

IanA Alberta Canada

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:12:27 PM UTC-6 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> The brakes on my wife's Betty Foy are driving me nuts.  This is a stock 
> bike, in fact it was RBWs sales bike and it came with Bosco bars, Techtro 
> 559 side pull clippers and Shimano levers. There is no QR on the levers and 
> a minimal one on the calipers This is a very poor combination as I can only 
> get an inflated 38mm tire  off and on, while the frame can handle a 42mm 
> tire.  I wonder what GP was thinking when he made this choice.
>
> Has anyone found a work around to improve this situation?
>
> Michael
>

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Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

[Ian A]

Hmmm. Tax and death, both unavoidable it seems!

My Rawland(s) do make an appearance in town on rare occasion. The 650b 
version does long distance and the 26r conversion doesn't get out much. 
Look for a scrappy orange Rocky Mountain mtb set up single speed with 
scrappy fenders for in town duty! 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:46:11 PM UTC-7 Andrew S wrote:

> Ian, I could be wrong and would be happy to be corrected, but I think that 
> C receives their Riv frames 'drop-shipped' direct from Taiwan. I vaguely 
> recall discussing this in a conversation with Julian or Simon. Thus they 
> sometimes receive their frames at essentially the same time as Riv HQ does 
> (my eagerly anticipated silver Sam is already on its way out to Alberta!). 
> So they probably have to put Taiwan as the country of origin on the 
> paperwork when subsequently shipping to the U.S., I presume. 
>
> Still hoping to see your Rawland somewhere around town someday!
>
> AndrewS, also in Alberta Canada
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:38 PM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> I think you'll find it's less roulette and more based on the stated 
>> country of origin. It the paperwork shows "Taiwan" as the Country of 
>> Origin" the frame will likely attract duty. If it shows a NAFTA country of 
>> origin (USA, Canada or Mexico) it should be duty exempt. If it shows "US 
>> Goods Returning" on the paperwork it will certainly be zero duty going into 
>> the US.
>>
>> Considering the Gus was from Taiwan, but imported into the USA and then 
>> exported to Canada it would technically (arguably?) be US Goods Returning 
>> to the USA. I think a strong case could be made for that and under country 
>> of origin on the customs form for US Goods Returning. Unless it gets 
>> inspected and the Border Agency disagree for some reason.
>>
>> It all comes down to the information the Customs Broker has to work with. 
>> If C are stating Taiwan or USA or US Goods Returning... Might be worth a 
>> phone call. I can say C are very customer focused and responsive.
>>
>> IanA (who spent a few years in the freight industry and who doesn't miss 
>> the paperwork!) Alberta Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:16:23 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> In my experience of shipping bikes and parts, it's generally a ~$50 flat 
>>> fee for brokerage clerical charges no matter what and Russian roulette on 
>>> import tax fees. Coming from us to Canada there are various import rules of 
>>> taxation on new vs used related bikez: us parts, us manufacturers, frame, 
>>> frame+wheels. And however customs decides to tax. I've gotten a new Marino 
>>> frame with no costs. I've paid $125 for a used frame and fork and been hit 
>>> with $70 tax. They make it really really frustrating and annoying. Haha. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa! That’s a lot different than Jacob’s experience.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 15, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Ronald Halili  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I too ordered my Gus from C Cycles at the end of the day of 
>>>> Thursday, 9/22/22 and it was delivered on Wednesday, 9/28/22 to NYC. From 
>>>> Canada it was shipped via Purolator and then transferred to UPS for final 
>>>> delivery. I received an email from UPS on Tuesday afternoon regarding 
>>>> import fees stating that I could either pay online or have check ready for 
>>>> the delivery driver. I chose the latter and wrote a check to UPS for the 
>>>> amount of $243.92 USD. As for the original question regarding clearance 
>>>> fee, I do not know how it was calculated other than the split of brokerage 
>>>> fee and import tax fee that was stated in the UPS email. Here is the 
>>>> breakdown of my purchase:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frame/Fork/Headset/54cm Orange
>>>>
>>>> (C$2600.00 + C$199.19 Shipping)
>>>>
>>>> = $2095.83 USD
>>>>
>>>> + $191.42 USD Import Tax
>>>>
>>>> + $52.50 USD Brokerage Fee
>>>>
>>>> = $2339.75 USD
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-5 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I bought my Gus from C Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me 
>>>>> (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for 
>>&

Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

[Ian A]

I think you'll find it's less roulette and more based on the stated country 
of origin. It the paperwork shows "Taiwan" as the Country of Origin" the 
frame will likely attract duty. If it shows a NAFTA country of origin (USA, 
Canada or Mexico) it should be duty exempt. If it shows "US Goods 
Returning" on the paperwork it will certainly be zero duty going into the 
US.

Considering the Gus was from Taiwan, but imported into the USA and then 
exported to Canada it would technically (arguably?) be US Goods Returning 
to the USA. I think a strong case could be made for that and under country 
of origin on the customs form for US Goods Returning. Unless it gets 
inspected and the Border Agency disagree for some reason.

It all comes down to the information the Customs Broker has to work with. 
If C are stating Taiwan or USA or US Goods Returning... Might be worth a 
phone call. I can say C are very customer focused and responsive.

IanA (who spent a few years in the freight industry and who doesn't miss 
the paperwork!) Alberta Canada



On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:16:23 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> In my experience of shipping bikes and parts, it's generally a ~$50 flat 
> fee for brokerage clerical charges no matter what and Russian roulette on 
> import tax fees. Coming from us to Canada there are various import rules of 
> taxation on new vs used related bikez: us parts, us manufacturers, frame, 
> frame+wheels. And however customs decides to tax. I've gotten a new Marino 
> frame with no costs. I've paid $125 for a used frame and fork and been hit 
> with $70 tax. They make it really really frustrating and annoying. Haha. 
>
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Whoa! That’s a lot different than Jacob’s experience.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Ronald Halili  wrote:
>>
>> I too ordered my Gus from C Cycles at the end of the day of Thursday, 
>> 9/22/22 and it was delivered on Wednesday, 9/28/22 to NYC. From Canada it 
>> was shipped via Purolator and then transferred to UPS for final delivery. I 
>> received an email from UPS on Tuesday afternoon regarding import fees 
>> stating that I could either pay online or have check ready for the delivery 
>> driver. I chose the latter and wrote a check to UPS for the amount of 
>> $243.92 USD. As for the original question regarding clearance fee, I do not 
>> know how it was calculated other than the split of brokerage fee and import 
>> tax fee that was stated in the UPS email. Here is the breakdown of my 
>> purchase:
>>
>>
>> Frame/Fork/Headset/54cm Orange
>>
>> (C$2600.00 + C$199.19 Shipping)
>>
>> = $2095.83 USD
>>
>> + $191.42 USD Import Tax
>>
>> + $52.50 USD Brokerage Fee
>>
>> = $2339.75 USD
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-5 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bought my Gus from C Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me 
>>> (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for 
>>> import fees and I think it was around $50. Dead simple process. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, the Gus I found is at a Riv dealer in Canada. Having googled until 
>>> I cannot stand it anymore I ask; anyone have experience with "clearance" 
>>> fees associated with importing a bicycle frame from Canada? The closest I 
>>> have come to uncovering the cost is that items valued under $2,500.00 US 
>>> are less expensive and easier to do than items over $2,500.00. I started a 
>>> Bikeflights estimate and I get the shipping cost and a message that 
>>> clearance fees will be calculated and added to order. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving Morning Clem crash

[Ian A]

Sorry about my post. It was truncated. I was trying to write my guess is 
that you slipped on some diesel or oil under the water on the road. I used 
to ride motorcycles in the UK and the biggest risk of losing traction was 
when it had been dry for a few days and then you found yourself riding home 
from work in fresh rain. Any oil on the road would not be washed away yet 
and was much more hazardous under a sheen of water.

Whether on drops or upright bars, the chance of going down in those 
circumstances are the same. Wet leaves have also caught me out on the 
bicycle and the transition between upright and lying on the ground is like 
a quarter of a second.

It was nothing you did wrong and the bike set up would make little to no 
difference. Just bad luck combined with two wheels. 

Heal quickly and well and get back in the saddle when it feels right.

IanA
Alberta Canada
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:09:46 PM UTC-7 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin 
> area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or 
> so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of 
> course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the 
> rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.
>
> Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a 
> traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out 
> from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked 
> the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that 
> I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this 
> time I was down on the ground in a flash.
>
> Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair 
> distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends 
> to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot 
> put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic 
> surgeon says after that.
>
> The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my 
> Clem when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended 
> it, but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking 
> maybe it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at 
> some point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of 
> "dropping my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in 
> order to do it.
>
> I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing 
> but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B 
> converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I 
> took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to 
> puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.  
>
> So anyway.
> Prove me wrong!
> Drops for Clem 2022!
>
> -Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving Morning Clem crash

[Ian A]

My guess is that you slipp

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:09:46 PM UTC-7 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin 
> area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or 
> so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of 
> course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the 
> rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.
>
> Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a 
> traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out 
> from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked 
> the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that 
> I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this 
> time I was down on the ground in a flash.
>
> Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair 
> distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends 
> to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot 
> put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic 
> surgeon says after that.
>
> The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my 
> Clem when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended 
> it, but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking 
> maybe it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at 
> some point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of 
> "dropping my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in 
> order to do it.
>
> I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing 
> but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B 
> converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I 
> took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to 
> puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.  
>
> So anyway.
> Prove me wrong!
> Drops for Clem 2022!
>
> -Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Platypus 60cm - Choose Your Own Adventure

[Ian Wilder]

Platypus is 
*SOLD!*
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 3:33:53 PM UTC-6 Ian Wilder wrote:

> *FS: Platypus 60cm - Choose Your Own Adventure*
>
> This frame is a quick catch and release from another list member in 
> efforts to thin the stable. This one just wasn’t for me!
>
> Selling this as rolling chassis, frame/fork or complete with some options. 
> In excellent condition, one small ding in paint on top tube (pictured).
>
> *Photos Here: *https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAf9x1
>
> *Parts List*
>
>- Platypus 60cm Frame in Mermaid
>- Wheels - Rear Hub: White Industries T11, Front Hub: Son Deluxe, 
>Rims: Velocity A23
>- Tires - Rene Herse Barlow Pass Standard (set up tubeless)
>- Headset - Chris King Grip Nut (Can swap and keep this if you want to 
>save $150)
>- Cranks - Rene Herse 48/32
>- Brakes - Paul Mini Motos (I have a pair of Motolites if you want 
>more clearance)
>- Saddle - Berthoud Aspin - Broken in but still kickin’.
>- Pedals - MKS Always
>
> *Choose Your Build*
>
> Albatross
>
>- Suntour Barends
>- Nitto Stem (normal quill length)
>- Shimano levers
>- Vintage Campy (record?) front derailleur
>- SRAM Force 22 rear derailleur 
>- SRAM Force 22 11-28 11 speed cassette
>- Rear Derailleur and Cassette can be switched to 9 speed at no cost!
>
> Drop Bar (for iconoclasts with long torsos such as myself)
>
>- SRAM Force 22 Right shift lever w/ Force 1 left brake lever
>- Soma Highway One Bar and Nitto Stem (long quill length)
>- Deep Custom Campy stem shifter w/ Vintage Campy Derailleur
>- Force 22 rear derailleur and cassette as above
>
>
> *Frame/Fork w/ CK Headset: $1500 + Shipping*
>
> *Frame/fork w/ FSA Duron Headset: $1350 + Shipping*
>
> *Rolling Chassis w/ CK Headeset: $1975 + Shipping*
>
> *Rolling Chassis w/ FSA Duron Headset: $1825 + Shipping*
>
>
> *Complete with Albatross - $2800 + Shipping*
>
> *Complete with Drop Bar - $3000 + Shipping*
>
> *“Upgrade” to a 9 or 10 speed friction drivetrain - FREE with complete 
> purchase!*
>
> Really flexible on sale/builds here. Let me know what you’re thinking and 
> I should be able to make it happen. Light and rear rack not included!
>
> *Important details for the discerning buyer: *
>
>- Steerer is cut for a CK Grip Nut headset. No room for spacers.
>- Rear hub is 130 spaced. QR is keeping dropouts sprung set. (low 
>miles in this config)
>- Drive side spokes are black and non-drive are silver due to sourcing 
>issues. Same spokes though!
>
> Ian in STL
>

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[RBW] FS: Platypus 60cm - Choose Your Own Adventure

[Ian Wilder]

*FS: Platypus 60cm - Choose Your Own Adventure*

This frame is a quick catch and release from another list member in efforts 
to thin the stable. This one just wasn’t for me!

Selling this as rolling chassis, frame/fork or complete with some options. 
In excellent condition, one small ding in paint on top tube (pictured).

*Photos Here: *https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAf9x1

*Parts List*

   - Platypus 60cm Frame in Mermaid
   - Wheels - Rear Hub: White Industries T11, Front Hub: Son Deluxe, Rims: 
   Velocity A23
   - Tires - Rene Herse Barlow Pass Standard (set up tubeless)
   - Headset - Chris King Grip Nut (Can swap and keep this if you want to 
   save $150)
   - Cranks - Rene Herse 48/32
   - Brakes - Paul Mini Motos (I have a pair of Motolites if you want more 
   clearance)
   - Saddle - Berthoud Aspin - Broken in but still kickin’.
   - Pedals - MKS Always

*Choose Your Build*

Albatross

   - Suntour Barends
   - Nitto Stem (normal quill length)
   - Shimano levers
   - Vintage Campy (record?) front derailleur
   - SRAM Force 22 rear derailleur 
   - SRAM Force 22 11-28 11 speed cassette
   - Rear Derailleur and Cassette can be switched to 9 speed at no cost!

Drop Bar (for iconoclasts with long torsos such as myself)

   - SRAM Force 22 Right shift lever w/ Force 1 left brake lever
   - Soma Highway One Bar and Nitto Stem (long quill length)
   - Deep Custom Campy stem shifter w/ Vintage Campy Derailleur
   - Force 22 rear derailleur and cassette as above


*Frame/Fork w/ CK Headset: $1500 + Shipping*

*Frame/fork w/ FSA Duron Headset: $1350 + Shipping*

*Rolling Chassis w/ CK Headeset: $1975 + Shipping*

*Rolling Chassis w/ FSA Duron Headset: $1825 + Shipping*


*Complete with Albatross - $2800 + Shipping*

*Complete with Drop Bar - $3000 + Shipping*

*“Upgrade” to a 9 or 10 speed friction drivetrain - FREE with complete 
purchase!*

Really flexible on sale/builds here. Let me know what you’re thinking and I 
should be able to make it happen. Light and rear rack not included!

*Important details for the discerning buyer: *

   - Steerer is cut for a CK Grip Nut headset. No room for spacers.
   - Rear hub is 130 spaced. QR is keeping dropouts sprung set. (low miles 
   in this config)
   - Drive side spokes are black and non-drive are silver due to sourcing 
   issues. Same spokes though!

Ian in STL

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Ian A]

Lugs in this instance normally relate to metal tracks or wheels on 
agricultural or construction equipment. They tear up the asphalt.

IanA

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 4:16:35 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Ha ha ...missed the signwhat does that even mean, I wonder. Oh...lugs 
> on tires ...got it.
>
> Great shot, Bill
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:49:03 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>
>> That’s a perfect pic, Bill. Love it!
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>>
>> I am firmly attached to lugs as well.
>>
>> 
>>
>> I snuck through without incident on my one and only Riv, 2013 Atlantis on 
>> tour this past summer.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>>  ...but my heart is firmly attached to lugs, although...
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Ian A]

Re the Sunrace option. I noticed SjS Cycles in the UK carry these. They 
also have a good selection of square taper bottom brackets.

I have always found SJS to be completely honest about what they carry, so 
you could email them and request an opinion. Reviews on the SJS site for 
the 8 and 9 speed shifters seem positive. The 8 speed version are 
particularly low priced.

IanA Alberta Canada


On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:15:46 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Ah, interesting - amd I didn't know.  Here's  a set of concave baseplates 
> that would presumably be missing from the used thumby/lever combo, which 
> could hopefully complete that option.  (The Pauls have the "square" milled 
> -in.
>
> Longer levers are nicer than bar end levers anyway, which would be an 
> issue with the microshift option I guess.  
>
> There appears to be a Sunrace-branded option available, but I have no idea 
> about quality.
>
> Concave plates on ebay:
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324819072038?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=101=324819072038=1263104806006=m==9029376==14859008593=130497710760=pla-1263104806006=9300678=116345380=Cj0KCQjwy5maBhDdARIsAMxrkw0q0Dhcv0k34aQiah-q4Qeknx178WIqYsV5rHL0qlA8P4Zyyj_2oUgaAsr8EALw_wcB
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:39:25 AM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>
>> Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical BUT 
>> the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters cable track 
>> begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter pod.  
>> What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is no 
>> longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you 
>> could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the pod. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality 
>>> of the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the 
>>> lever shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably work 
>>> ok in downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura 
>>> ace bar end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on as 
>>> downtube shifters.
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Hi Keith -

 I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels 
 between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.

 And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that impacts 
 things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).

 Thanks,


 Corwin
 On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:
>
> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>
> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>
> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>
> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you 
> have.  I kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and 
> cheaper to find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as 
> pretty.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
>> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The 
>> frame 
>> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for 
>> a while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have 
>> seen 
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies 
>> on EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers 
>> (possibly at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies 
>> and 
>> come out with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in 
>> Albuquerque for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am 
>> willing to pay someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send 
>> the shifters to me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 
>> 9 speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 
>> speed fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 
>> speed bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them 
>> on 
>> the custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>> 

[RBW] Re: FS- SON delux/DT Swiss dyno wheel 284.88€

[Ian A]

I have two SON28 Classics and a Shimano DH3n80 (which is similar to the 
3n72 Bike24 offers).  If you can afford the SON, the money is well spent, 
but if budget is a factor, you will not be disappointed with the Shimano 
unit. 

IanA Alberta Canada

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:47:43 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> I am tempted by this deal. With dynamo on one bike I am keen on outfitting 
> my other bike as well. They have a wheel with a Shimano dyno hub for about 
> half that price. For those with experience with SON and other hubs, is the 
> price difference worth it?
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:44:18 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> To be clear, I’m not selling mine, but there’s one left over there in 
>> Germany, and with the current exchange, this comes out to a very good deal. 
>> And yes, my Rambouillet will look funny with black spokes in front, silver 
>> out back, but it’ll have lights!
>> -Kai
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:21:54 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bike24.com/p2164993.html?searchTerm=Son+delux+dt+swiss=SBP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=SON264810==anonymized=631038
>>>
>>> I can’t afford it, but I bought the second to last one anyways.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Ian A]

I had an incident last year thar still affects me. I was rolling along in 
the shoulder, enjoying the day en route the donut shop turnaround point (30 
miles out, 30 back) when a pick up driver tried sideswiping me. He had to 
aim for me, this was intentional. My reactions meant I swerved clear, 
almost hard enough to take myself off. Luckily my tires held.

I had no interaction with driver prior to this. It was a driver who just 
wanted to punish a cyclist. 

I still feel stress following this incident and no longer ride that route 
at all. It's just not fun anymore.

I do live in oil country and among really good people, there are some very 
entitled and angry people who will bully and intimidate. 

Dealing with this stuff is difficult, but I would say this forum.is 
probably not the place for it.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street that 
> narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a tight curve 
> and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the knowledge that 
> shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup came 
> off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I briefly 
> considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
> that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
> and let Jethro through. My advice is always move over and let Jethro 
> through, you're not going to win that incredibly stupid battle. 
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
>> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
>> vent or commiserate. *
>>
>> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
>> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
>> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
>> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
>> motorist you'd like to share? 
>>
>> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
>> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
>> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
>> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
>> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
>> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
>> the like. 
>>
>> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
>> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
>> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
>> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
>> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
>> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>>
>> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about 
>> to pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
>> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
>> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
>> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
>> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>>
>> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
>> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
>> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
>> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
>> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
>> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
>> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
>> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>>
>> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
>> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
>> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
>> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
>> middle of the road. 
>>
>> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
>> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
>> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
>> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
>> could not get to me. 
>>
>> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
>> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
>> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to 

[RBW] Re: Need primer on dyno lighting

[Ian A]

The Europeans have this stuff figured out. Below are three links taken from 
Bike24 in Germany. I didn't shop around, just have bought bits from them in 
the past with no problems. 700c dynamo wheel (they call it 28" diameter, 
but it's just terminology, it is 622/700c) 105 Euro,  front light 36 euro 
and USB chargeable rear light 17 euro. Shipping is 20 euros to North 
America, normally. 

You could also go with a dynamo tail light, which would mean running wiring 
to the rear light, but you never have to remember to charge it. However, a 
battery rear light means no messing about with wiring to the rear. The 
front light is very easy to connect with the hub. No soldering or any 
advance skills required, just read the instructions and plug and play.

https://www.bike24.com/p2290862.html?source=SRP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=SPM390679=7b50e873708f0f2b0d570a3cc790fdcb=f05ded76-05c5-456d-a56a-c5c890589057

https://www.bike24.com/p217517.html?source=SRP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=BUS117333=06ed0e80d2a2b95fb1dfa302201776e2=f05ded76-05c5-456d-a56a-c5c890589057

https://www.bike24.com/p2246776.html?source=SRP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=BUS346593=e84d05e5bc42c9d7f86d88530ef4afa4=f05ded76-05c5-456d-a56a-c5c890589057

Buying from Peter White would be a better thing to do and would yield great 
advice and even better service, but the above links show the set up doesn't 
have to be complicated or expensive to experiment with. A good dynamo 
system typically lasts many years without any maintenance at all. I have 
two SON hubs (Classic 28 model) in service and one Shimano DH3n80. Two of 
the bikes have Philips Saferide 60 headlights (60 lux) and the other has a 
B Eyc. All three bikes have wired tail lights. All the systems work 
flawlessly. I did buy one of the SON hubs used off a chap in Germany and 
then rode a few winters on it here and the hub became loose and noisy 
(still worked). I sent it off to Schmidt in Germany for a rebuild and it 
came back looking as good as new. It did cost a small fortune though! I 
except it will still be working in 25 years time.

IanA Alberta Canada
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 7:58:13 AM UTC-6 Forrest Meyer wrote:

> Thank you, Sam! Years ago I used to look at Peter White’s site. Didn’t 
> know if he was still active; will revisit his site.  — FM
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 7:26:14 AM UTC-5 samwe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think Peter White's webpage is pretty useful (for the most part...) -- 
>> see for example https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/plight.php -- and 
>> there's often very useful photos of small bits if you poke around more. His 
>> labor prices are extremely good for the quality of his work, and if you're 
>> looking for a new wheel along with a light, it's a great one-stop-shop. 
>> He'll talk you through all your choices on the phone in case you're 
>> uncertain about anything.
>>
>> But the short answer to your first set of questions is: SON hubs are 
>> widely agreed to be the very best, but they come at a cost premium. There's 
>> several manufacturers that, these days, are only very slightly below that 
>> in quality (including Shutter Precision, Shimano, and Panasonic; I feel 
>> like I'm forgetting one more). For lights, it seems like the Busch and 
>> Muller IQ-X is a fav (I love mine), but there's a couple others that belong 
>> in the very top category as well (Schmidt Edelux II, Sinewave Cycles 
>> Beacon), and I don't have personal experience to compare (I'm sure others 
>> here do). For rear lights (which can be linked easily to a front light), 
>> the Busch and Muller Toplight Line Plus is, I believe, the clear number one.
>>
>> Good luck and enjoy!
>>
>> -Sam
>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 6:38:55 AM UTC-5 Forrest Meyer wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had dyno lighting before on a bike, and I liked it, but I sold that 
>>> bike and so am now looking at installing dyno lighting on another bike. 
>>>
>>> I find all the offerings of products a little confusing, and I’m not 
>>> sure which hub and which lights are “best” or are what I need. Or work 
>>> together best. Can brands be mixed and matched?
>>>
>>> I’m looking for recommendations of *info sources* along the lines of 
>>> “Dyno Lighting 101” or “Guide for the Perplexed About Dyno Lighting.” A web 
>>> site, an article, a social media group dedicated to this. 
>>>
>>> Oh, and I’m aware that “dyno lighting” may be a misnomer for the topic, 
>>> but I think most of you know what I mean and can offer gentle correction 
>>> and guidance. Thank you.
>>>
>>> — Forrest of Iowa City
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Handsome laptop-sized pannier

[Ian A]

Here is an example of what a quick search 
found 
https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/569539749/waterproof-cycle-bag-for-women-and

There are many other options and I have no experience with this seller or 
the products. I have had great kick shopping on Etsy though and can 
recommend the site in general.

IanA

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 9:41:02 PM UTC-6 Ian A wrote:

> One option is to have a look on Etsy. I did a search for bicycle briefcase 
> and some nice leather ones popped up. Some are quite expensive, but Etsy is 
> a good place to find utilitarian things that don't look utilitarian.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:25:02 PM UTC-6 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Ortlieb used to make one called the "Downtown." I have one and it's super 
>> sturdy but it's unwieldy too. It's even uglier than a regular bag, but it 
>> gets the job done.
>>
>> Mine looks like this:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/144622913931?hash=item21ac32898b%3Ag%3AiWAAAOSwRj1io6Vv=true=je6AynF2qQs6ZM2hngB95uElmWQ%253D_cvip=true=true=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:30:21 PM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> Been on the hunt for this for a while but as I’m commuting to the office 
>>> a few days a week I figured I’d ask around. Does anyone make a 
>>> briefcase-style pannier?
>>>
>>> Currently using a classic Ortlieb pannier but looking for something a 
>>> little less sporting and unwieldy (often I will go out after work and I 
>>> hate shlepping this bag around).
>>>
>>> Doesn’t have to be anything fancy, leather would be nice but not a 
>>> dealbreaker. Most important factor is the mounting hardware, I need 
>>> something stable. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Handsome laptop-sized pannier

[Ian A]

One option is to have a look on Etsy. I did a search for bicycle briefcase 
and some nice leather ones popped up. Some are quite expensive, but Etsy is 
a good place to find utilitarian things that don't look utilitarian.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:25:02 PM UTC-6 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Ortlieb used to make one called the "Downtown." I have one and it's super 
> sturdy but it's unwieldy too. It's even uglier than a regular bag, but it 
> gets the job done.
>
> Mine looks like this:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/144622913931?hash=item21ac32898b%3Ag%3AiWAAAOSwRj1io6Vv=true=je6AynF2qQs6ZM2hngB95uElmWQ%253D_cvip=true=true=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
>
> m
>
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:30:21 PM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> Been on the hunt for this for a while but as I’m commuting to the office 
>> a few days a week I figured I’d ask around. Does anyone make a 
>> briefcase-style pannier?
>>
>> Currently using a classic Ortlieb pannier but looking for something a 
>> little less sporting and unwieldy (often I will go out after work and I 
>> hate shlepping this bag around).
>>
>> Doesn’t have to be anything fancy, leather would be nice but not a 
>> dealbreaker. Most important factor is the mounting hardware, I need 
>> something stable. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[Ian A]

+1 Matthew's advice is extremely rational. It is becoming increasingly more 
difficult to find exact models of any bike nowadays and with a skillful 
repair, the bike is literally as good as new, albeit with a marred decal. I 
would say,I don't have Matthew's touch up skill and might choose to go the 
professional touch up route, as I would somehow make it worse.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 11:56:39 AM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Kiley,
>
> Ouch, that hurts! The first paint chip or scratch is always the worst, 
> especially if it’s not from a ride and you didn’t cause it.
>
> Over the years, my bike has suffered a lot of chips and scratches. When I 
> first got my bike I too was upset about the damage, but I made peace with 
> it by remembering I’m fighting entropy. Also, the chips and scratches show 
> my bike is ridden often, and they're attached to memories of rides past: 
> the scratch on my seat from when I leaned my bike against a barbed-wire 
> fence, the rock chip from a railroad track, the polished paint from my 
> jeans against the frame. The chips and scratches and scuffs are part of 
> what make the bike mine.
>
> I would look for a compromise; ask for some sort of shipping refund but I 
> would not return the frame, especially if it’s one for which you’ve been 
> searching. I would then patch the damage with model paint, and think of the 
> scratch as part of the bike’s history, like a scar in a well-worn leather 
> jacket. Whenever you see your bike amongst others, you’ll always know there 
> are many like it--but that one is yours.
>
> Here’s how I used to fix paint chips:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/JfGHDodtmZc/m/T85s2YKWAgAJ
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
>
> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>
> -Kiley
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[Ian A]

Sorry, poor editing. I had written "if and when you put a scratch on it 
yourself, it might no feel as bad" but had intended to delete that entire 
sentence on the basis it felt trite.

Ian "always porof read" in Alberta Canada

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 11:07:32 AM UTC-6 Ian A wrote:

> It would be a good idea to let the seller know it happened. Maybe they 
> have suggestions too. Otherwise, if you want this model and color, it makes 
> sense to keep the frame. Touch up by a professional would look just fine, 
> and it's an opportunity to personalise the frame too. I've seen a number of 
> early Rivendell customs with the owner's name painted in script on the top 
> tube, which was maybe a service one of the painters offered. 
>
> Either a close match touch up, a contrasting color touch up or something 
> very creative (designed by a young family member, maybe?) and just enjoy 
> your new gift to yourself. And if and when you put a scratch on the bike 
> yourself.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-6 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
>> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
>> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
>> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
>> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
>> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>>
>> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
>> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
>> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
>> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
>> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
>> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>>
>> -Kiley
>>
>> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[Ian A]

It would be a good idea to let the seller know it happened. Maybe they have 
suggestions too. Otherwise, if you want this model and color, it makes 
sense to keep the frame. Touch up by a professional would look just fine, 
and it's an opportunity to personalise the frame too. I've seen a number of 
early Rivendell customs with the owner's name painted in script on the top 
tube, which was maybe a service one of the painters offered. 

Either a close match touch up, a contrasting color touch up or something 
very creative (designed by a young family member, maybe?) and just enjoy 
your new gift to yourself. And if and when you put a scratch on the bike 
yourself.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-6 Kiley Demond wrote:

> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>
> -Kiley
>
> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 pro2...but dont want to run the rear light?

[Ian A]

Just insulate the taillight connections with tape (or better heat-shrink) 
so that the connections don't make contact with each other or the frame. 
Then just connect the front light in the normal way and you are ready to go.

If you were running an incandescent bulb headlight, there could be a 
concern that the headlight could receive too much voltage with no taillight 
wired in. With modern LED headlights, this is not a concern.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:51:55 PM UTC-6 jinxed wrote:

> Lighting is one area that completely baffles me. Well, anything involving 
> electricity for that matter, so I generally rely on those with more 
> experience lest I end up cooking myself or the electronics.
>
> Here's what I have on hand to work with. SP SV-8 front hub, Supernova E3 2 
> pro front light, Nitto rack or equivalent, rechargeable rear LED of some 
> sort. Fork has provisions for internal wiring hub to light, frame has no 
> considerations.
>
> Most of my riding is during daylight. When I need a light, it will 
> primarily be off road and for purposes of seeing, not being seen. I have 
> several extremely capable rechargeable rear lights for use when needed, so 
> I don't want to permanently route cables to the back of the bike. That 
> said, the E3 light has dedicated rear wiring I need to deal with. Can the 
> rear wires be "unplugged" or are they soldered in? I don't want to ruin the 
> light by clipping them off. I know they're not absolutely needed for the 
> front to operate since I've never had a rear light attached and it worked 
> great.
>
> Any better wisdom on dealing with the wiring? Am I better off ditching the 
> E3 and going with a "simpler" front only model? If that's the case, any 
> recommendations for something that would suit the need, preferably in 
> silver?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My double TT Hillborne 650b conversion

[Ian A]

Absolutely fantastic! The color is a perfect choice too. Is the basket 
supported only by the front rack and if so, how much weight do you feel 
comfortable loading into it? I am pondering going down the dark route of a 
front basket on a front rando rack and am wondering about robustness of 
that set up.

Again, a fantastic bike and one that invites adventure.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 11:09:15 AM UTC-6 brianmark...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_6346.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6345.jpg][image: IMG_6344.jpg]
>
> Hey ya'll- a bit over a year ago, I got this frame via this group. 
> Originally a 700c sidepull model with a so-so repaint (I think it had a 
> downtube dent repair), I had a buddy add canti posts at the 650b mark, and 
> lowrider mounts, and had Bilenky Cycles in Philly further dimple the 
> chainstays and repaint. It's a pretty standard Riv build (soon to have a 
> Sackville saddlebag), and I love it; I've had issues with fit pertaining to 
> neck pain, and this bike finally lets me get the bars up high enough in 
> style. Really love this thing, can't wait to get it out for some tours (so 
> far I've only been able to commute and throw in a handful of 20~ mile rides 
> in the two months or so since I built it up). It's a real looker; I live in 
> a not-bikey town, and I've had numerous people be like "I don't know 
> anything about bikes, but man that is a good looking bike!"
>
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[RBW] Re: Mystery Sound and Broken Chain

[Ian A]

Maybe take a close look at the right-side dropout to make sure it does not 
have a crack in it. Normally, if a dropout cracks, failure is soon behind, 
so it's unlikely to be the problem in your case, but it is something to 
rule out.  My friend had his go on his old Raleigh, on the drive side, but 
I don't recall it making worrying noises before it went. 

IanA Alberta Canada

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:21:58 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> Garth - I have not done anything to the freehub body.  That's a good 
> recommendation and I'll have to address it.
>
> Bill S - good point.  This frame is one of Grant's "tweeners'; somewhere 
> between 130 and 135mm spacing so it will accommodate either road or MTB 
> hubs.  I don't think that will cause any issues, though, but it might be 
> worthwhile taking it to an LBS and have them check to make sure the 
> dropouts are parallel.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> It wouldn't hurt to check the alignment of the dropouts and derailleur 
>> hanger.
>>
>> Bill S 
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 2:05:45 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> George, Have you ever cleaned/relubed the cassette/freewheel(whichever 
>>> the DA is) body itself ?  I know you've mentioned the bearings, but not the 
>>> cog host body. 
>>>
>>> I'm with you about the "more gears and wider dropouts" nonsense . I have 
>>> a good selection of Sachs and Suntour Ultra 6 and 7 speed freewheels of 
>>> which I'm seriously considering using for my upcoming Franklin custom. I'm 
>>> really not fond of anything to do with cassettes.The cassette so-called 
>>> "solution" was but a self-fullfilling sales pitch/excuse for "more more 
>>> more". Hah hah.  I have 2 sets of Specialized 126mm hubs of which I have 
>>> converted in the past to 135mm using a solid axle. I could have the frame 
>>> spec'd to whatever I want though, and buying more vintage NOS hubs of 
>>> various widths is not a problem. 
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:05:48 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Joe - the chain is rarely, if at all, on the smallest cog next to the 
 chain stay.  It is normally in either cog 4 or 5, counting from the 
 largest 
 cog outward.  I can remember when a company by the name of Sedis 
 (Sedisport?) first introduced a narrower chain back in the late 70's in 
 order to squeeze more gears onto a freewheel with normal 120-126mm rear 
 dropout spacing.  In my opinion, it's been downhill ever since with 
 manufacturers trying to outdo one another with wider and wider dropout 
 spacing and 9+ cogs.  OTOH, I have an old '71/'72 Fuji Finest on which I'm 
 running a 5-speed freewheel on a 120mm PW hub, friction shifted, and 
 everything works just fine all the time.


 On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:36:40 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Huh, I'm stumped. It crunches under hard pedaling and this time the 
> chain snapped, which sounds like the chain wanted to keep going and 
> something back there didn't want to budge. How's the clearance between 
> small cog and chainstay? This is my last shot at a wild guess..maybe 
> under 
> heavy power the cassette is contacting the frame at the dropout. 
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 6:16:12 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Joe - I thought about that and have since replaced the chain, but in 
>> all likely hood the cassette should still be OK.  It's not the original 
>> with the bike; I replaced the one with which the bike shipped with 
>> another 
>> (same manf.) that has slightly different gearing.  The previous cassette 
>> had the same problems.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:09:00 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> It could be anything but what I think we know now is the chain is 
>>> busted and chain and cassette are both probably pretty old. Based on my 
>>> supposition - pulled out of thin air - that your chain never mated well 
>>> with that cassette I would replace both now and see what happens. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 12:23:13 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - thanks for the quick response.  Bill asks...

 *(have you been) riding the same SRAM 971 chain for 18 years, and 
 you actually ride the bike a decent amount, (if so) your entire 
 drivetrain 
 is likely toast.  Is that what's going on?  Or, do you replace your 
 chain 
 frequently, and the noise never changes?*

 I can't recall whether I've had that same chain in use on that bike 
 for 18 years.  I regularly clean and lube it and check the chain wear 
 with 
 a Park chain gauge.

 *Have you tried riding your bike with different pedals?*

 Yes, and it has still occurred over the years.

 

Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Ian A]

"I don’t know which bike to take for certain, but you are free to send your 
advice and/or regards"

Hi Leah

Always enjoyable to read of your adventures. You can ride your racing Platy 
if you borrow a tire from one of the other bikes.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 4:02:02 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> 
> This thread has been so fun for me to write, but I keep thinking, what 
> really else is there to say? We have covered the bases by now; we wondered 
> if a Raspberry Platypus could become a Racing Platypus, considered the 
> controversy, battled insecurities, confronted our (my) own preconceived 
> ideas, learned some new things from the racers. It’s been an adventure for 
> me, and thank you! But today, wouldn’t you know, I’ve got another bit of 
> conversation for your consideration.
>
> Last week I realized my rear tire was dripping sealant. A myriad of tiny 
> pin-prick holes that I have never noticed revealed themselves as my Racing 
> Platypus hung, inert on the wall. The only reason I caught it was that my 
> poor Shopping Platypus below it was catching the dripping sealant. Below: 
> left, front tire, with its tread still decent. Right, the rear tire, wet 
> and holey and with very worn tread.
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Turns out, the tire is toast. The rubber is thin enough that it is not 
> holding the sealant, and it is leaking through in minuscule holes and 
> tears. I never thought it would be worn out already - I’d never have 
> checked. I can’t tell you how many miles it took to make this happen 
> because I don’t track miles per bike - I just have a running total of 
> ridden miles. And between 2021-present, that number is…well, never mind, 
> because the calculator app crashed and I’m not totaling them up again. BUT, 
> the tires are only a year and a few month old! I got 5 years out of the 
> Betty Foy tires before I sat next to it one day and noticed this:
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> The bike shop had nothing as wide or even close as the 44 mm tires on the 
> Racing Platypus, and the Ultradynamico tires I ultimately settled on 
> haven’t yet shipped. I hope they’re good! I got the gray 42 mm Cava Race. 
>
> But what am I going to take to club rides this week? I can’t see taking 
> the Racing Platypus without new tires. The other contenders: A 2019 
> Rivendell Clem L and the 2020 Shopping Platypus. Both are heavy. Neither is 
> set up for speed. Good grief, look at these two:
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image3.jpeg]
>
> You are thinking, just strip the Shopping Plat and ride that. Ah, but the 
> lights are attached to the racks, so those stay and they are HEAVY. That 
> Platypus is the heaviest of my trio! I can strip bags, but how much does 
> that really help? The gearing is different on it; it is a 1x and the 
> gearing is not as “right” as my Racing Plat. I don’t have technical terms 
> for this - I can only say that the Rivendell drive train always gives me 
> the “right” gear - the Shopping Plat often feels too hard or too easy. I 
> don’t want to be fiddling around with that while chasing club riders. But 
> that isn’t even the deal-killer for me…
>
> It’s that basket. 
>
> Listen, I have weathered the silent prejudice as I wheeled the Racing 
> Platypus to the huddle. The Saddlesack and Billie Bars always invoke 
> judgment in this scenario, but a BASKET. I don’t think I can do it.
>
> That leaves the Clem. A bike that Grant, while extolling its virtues and 
> its versatility, said, “Just don’t take it on your club rides or anything.” 
> The Clem, with its ultra-high and proud Bosco Bars and its step-through, 
> beefy frame. I shudder to think of what they will think. I don’t even know 
> how fast I can ride it. I think maybe fast because it was my only bike 
> during 2020 and I rode it hard. But, it is unproven at club rides and I’ve 
> got hesitation.
>
> I don’t know which bike to take for certain, but you are free to send your 
> advice and/or regards.
> Leah
>
> On May 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Joe T  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Another great story by Leah! From Vegas to Michigan life. Beautiful 
> Michigan, enjoy!
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> Their slow group was slow. I was glad to be in the faster class on the 
>> women’s ride. I kept pace, rode in 2nd and 3rd position, and it wasn’t 
>> effortless. I don’t think I will fall victim to the Lycra; I’m perfectly 
>> happy with the workout wear I find at Target - highly recommend their All 
>> In Motion brand, for anyone looking. 
>>
>> As far as fitness, don’t give up. You can still be fit on a clunker!
>>
>> I want to preserve my abilities and keep preventable disease at bay, so I 
>> take fitness pretty seriously. Group rides will really challenge me and 
>> probably increase my abilities. With my heavier bike and non-aero gear, I 
>> am probably gleaning better results than the rest of the group. I also lift 
>>