Re: [RBW] Adding Glitter to Shellac - Long Term Use?

[Jon Dukeman]

Put a coat of Shelac on your bars.
Sprinkle on glitter. Let dry.
Put more coats of  shellac as needed until glitter is covered.
Have fun.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 1:50 PM Armand Kizirian 
wrote:

> In one of the recent Riv newsletters there was mention of adding glitter
> to shellac before applying it to handlebar tape. This sounds like a really
> fun addition. There seems to be no shortage of biodegradable glitter on the
> market as well.
>
> The question is, will this eventually become a
> *my-hands-are-covered-in-glitter-after-every-ride* scenario?
>
> If you have experience. Please do chime in.
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Re: [RBW] Cockpit bag/cup holder

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And and quality workmanship

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 2:51 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> RandiJo Fabrications
> She has quite a number of colors and sizes to choose from.
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 2:47 PM James  wrote:
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>> What is the best cockpit cup holder ya'll have explored and used?
>> Ideally it could alos hold a phone at times, and be somewhat versatile with
>> cups, bottles, etc.
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Re: [RBW] Cockpit bag/cup holder

[Jon Dukeman]

RandiJo Fabrications
She has quite a number of colors and sizes to choose from.

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> What is the best cockpit cup holder ya'll have explored and used?  Ideally
> it could alos hold a phone at times, and be somewhat versatile with cups,
> bottles, etc.
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Re: [RBW] Bike theft - check the lockup structure

[Jon Dukeman]

A new thing in Oakland..bike jacking like car- jacking only with high end
bikes.
No need to break the lock.
A sad state of affairs in this country.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 9:22 AM Ryan  wrote:

> I see you've posted about this as well. I guess I shouldn't be surprised
> that this is not a new phenomenon
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:11:56 AM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the PSA and reminder, Ryan!
>>
>> I’ve been discovering this attempt at racks here in the Bay Area, too.
>> This rack at Safeway has been loose/unsecured for over three years.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/xTgfxtcc9eE/m/5I6O40hJCAAJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2023, at 4:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> I actually noticed this in Winnipeg where I live. I rode my bike to a
>> bank in a fairly upscale mall and noticed that one of the lockup rings was
>> loose where it's bolted into the concrete. Other tricks; sawing through the
>> metal tubing of the structure itself and using tape of some sort to hide
>> it, etc.
>>
>> Don't be in such a hurry that you don't check whatever you're locking
>> your bike to.I know it's obvious but I just thought I'd pass this on
>>
>>
>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bike-theft-racks-pre-cut-winnipeg-1.6924819
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Re: [RBW] Orange Clem 59 (Sad Face emoji)

[Jon Dukeman]

Try contacting one of Riv dealer across the country. Find them on the web
site.Like
Hope Cyclery in PA.

On Sat, Jun 3, 2023, 12:33 PM Kiley Demond  wrote:

> Feeling a little crushed that I missed the sale on my dream bike...
>
> If anyone has (another) one they're willing to part with, please let me
> know...
>
> Clem L Orange 59
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Re: [RBW] Brooks B17 repair

[Jon Dukeman]

Firth & Wilson
(215) 644-8124
si...@transportcycle.com
Philadelphia, PA. 19148-2386
These people are fast and reasonably priced.
Jon

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:20 PM dougP  wrote:

> After years of good service, my Brooks B17 blew out the leather at the
> nose. Is there a North American source for repair? Any idea what this costs?
>
> Doug Peterson
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 38x24 Silver crankset, Albastache bars, Silver2 shifters + bar-end pods + thumb shift mounts

[Jon Dukeman]

Crank length:
Mine is 170.
Measured from center of crank bolt to center of pedal axle.

On Sun, Mar 5, 2023, 9:40 AM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> What’s the crank length?
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:38:11 PM UTC-5 jdyea...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I went down a Rivendell rabbit hole and tried out a bunch of stuff, but
>> I've decided to go a different direction. I've used all of these for just a
>> few rides, so they're basically as close to new as you can get.
>>
>> 38x24 Silver crankset
>> Nitto Albastache bars
>> Silver2 shifters x2
>> Silver bar-end pods x2
>> Silver thumb-shift mounts x2
>>
>> I'd love to ship all this out to one person if possible. All together, it
>> goes for ~$630 new. How about $500 shipped? Also accepting best offers
>> within reason.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josh
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Re: [RBW] YOUR BACK SHRINKING

[Jon Dukeman]

Yes getting old is a slippery slope.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 8:27 AM 'Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>  I USED TO RIDE ON DROP BARS . ONE TIME I NOTICED I WAS RIDING ON THE TOPS
> ONLY.  SO I CHANGED TO UP BARS ( 3 SPEED BARS ) . I HAD LOST 2-3 INCHES IN
> MY HEIGHT.
> I NOW RIDE A SMALLER BIKE .
> Charlie Petry JENERSVILLE PA
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Jon Dukeman]

The bike  shop I worked at would let you try out a saddle for a couple of
days or a week as long as it's returned in sellable shape. Discus your
experience with leather saddles and the sales person could help you select
one that works for you. A good time to establish a relationship with the
shop too if you buy a saddle from them.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 12:39 PM zem...@gmail.com  wrote:

> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle
> Anatomica.
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle.
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Jon Dukeman]

What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? It's
> gorgeous, somebody go get it!
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson
> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts . I
>> built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior commuter
>> better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local pickup only in
>> the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours with the bike
>> to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or so.
>>
>> Specs Below
>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>> Billie Bar
>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring.
>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>
>> I'm asking $2600.
>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>
>> Daniel MacPherson
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Re: [RBW] Heat in the Bay

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Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 99' in Colorado. 3 records broken

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 6:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You think "media" have it wrong and "these numbers have been exaggerated
> all week" ? I don't understand your implication here.
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:32:12 PM UTC-7 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:
>
>> Yes, 114 is extremely rare in the East Bay, but I live up in the hills of
>> the North Bay (Napa Valley) and while we were told by media that our high
>> was 112, my weather station under my covered front porch (shade) indicated
>> a high of 91 degrees.  I also did my 30 mile ride with a six mile climb at
>> 12.00 noon, and did not ‘feel’ like I was climbing in extreme heat.  These
>> numbers have been exaggerated all week, but maybe these are urban temps;
>> not rural.
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2022, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Just got a regular email from Will announcing bike frame availability
>>> among other things.  "Other things" include his comment that last Tuesday
>>> the temps reached 114 degrees!!?  Isn't that a rare temperature for the Bay
>>> area in NoCal?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Hoist recommendation needed

[Jon Dukeman]

I've been eyeing them too.


On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 2:36 PM Garth  wrote:

> Tie Boss looks like The Boss !   All you need above is 2 storage hooks
> screwed into solid wood. Great tip Jon !
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 4:05:59 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Can you just hook the rear hooks to the top of the rear wheel instead of
>> the seat?
>>
>> Or bend the rear hooks outward so that they only grab the seat rails? Or
>> put a tye-wrap (or two) around the seat rails and lift by the tye-wrap(s).
>>
>> Harbor freight has a version for $10. Sometimes their stuff works just
>> fine, and there are so many stores that you can usually go look at it
>> before you buy.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 9:41:57 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I have one a tower leaner bike rack in my 3 ft wide covered breezeway,
>>> where I store my bikes parallel to the wall, one bike on top hooks, one
>>> sitting on the floor.  The bottom handlebar sticks out, so I've learned to
>>> turn sideways to pass it.  The issue is there just isn't enough room or
>>> strength for me to pick up a bike and raise it to the top hooks.  I'm
>>> working on the strength part.
>>>
>>> I was thinking of getting a bike hoist system for the top bike to
>>> replace the leaner rack.  I'm not keen on the ones that hook on the
>>> saddle.  I could just see it poking holes thru my Brooks B68. Another
>>> option is to just use the hoist system to get the bike to the hooks on the
>>> rack and then release the pressure on the saddle.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have recommendations for a hoist that doesn't hook to the
>>> saddle?  I do not have any other room other than parallel to the wall to
>>> put the bikes.  I am not strong enough to lift the bikes to a ceiling
>>> hook.  Not enough room to have them perpendicular to the wall with hooks.
>>>
>>> Bikes are anywhere from 28-35 pounds loaded and each gets ridden at
>>> least once a week.  Budget is $50-100, but would spend more for a great
>>> solution.  (Right now, my "top" bike is parked in my living room.).  I have
>>> one A Homer Hilsen (most likely for top position since its a diamond frame)
>>> Platypus mixte and another grocery getter/commuter mixte.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roberta
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Hoist recommendation needed

[Jon Dukeman]

tieboss.com

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 1:18 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> Google ...Tie Boss. no  ratchets
> Easy to operate.
> Watch video
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 7:42 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I have one a tower leaner bike rack in my 3 ft wide covered breezeway,
>> where I store my bikes parallel to the wall, one bike on top hooks, one
>> sitting on the floor.  The bottom handlebar sticks out, so I've learned to
>> turn sideways to pass it.  The issue is there just isn't enough room or
>> strength for me to pick up a bike and raise it to the top hooks.  I'm
>> working on the strength part.
>>
>> I was thinking of getting a bike hoist system for the top bike to replace
>> the leaner rack.  I'm not keen on the ones that hook on the saddle.  I
>> could just see it poking holes thru my Brooks B68. Another option is to
>> just use the hoist system to get the bike to the hooks on the rack and then
>> release the pressure on the saddle.
>>
>> Does anyone have recommendations for a hoist that doesn't hook to the
>> saddle?  I do not have any other room other than parallel to the wall to
>> put the bikes.  I am not strong enough to lift the bikes to a ceiling
>> hook.  Not enough room to have them perpendicular to the wall with hooks.
>>
>> Bikes are anywhere from 28-35 pounds loaded and each gets ridden at least
>> once a week.  Budget is $50-100, but would spend more for a great
>> solution.  (Right now, my "top" bike is parked in my living room.).  I have
>> one A Homer Hilsen (most likely for top position since its a diamond frame)
>> Platypus mixte and another grocery getter/commuter mixte.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Hoist recommendation needed

[Jon Dukeman]

Google ...Tie Boss. no  ratchets
Easy to operate.
Watch video
Jon

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 7:42 AM Roberta  wrote:

> I have one a tower leaner bike rack in my 3 ft wide covered breezeway,
> where I store my bikes parallel to the wall, one bike on top hooks, one
> sitting on the floor.  The bottom handlebar sticks out, so I've learned to
> turn sideways to pass it.  The issue is there just isn't enough room or
> strength for me to pick up a bike and raise it to the top hooks.  I'm
> working on the strength part.
>
> I was thinking of getting a bike hoist system for the top bike to replace
> the leaner rack.  I'm not keen on the ones that hook on the saddle.  I
> could just see it poking holes thru my Brooks B68. Another option is to
> just use the hoist system to get the bike to the hooks on the rack and then
> release the pressure on the saddle.
>
> Does anyone have recommendations for a hoist that doesn't hook to the
> saddle?  I do not have any other room other than parallel to the wall to
> put the bikes.  I am not strong enough to lift the bikes to a ceiling
> hook.  Not enough room to have them perpendicular to the wall with hooks.
>
> Bikes are anywhere from 28-35 pounds loaded and each gets ridden at least
> once a week.  Budget is $50-100, but would spend more for a great
> solution.  (Right now, my "top" bike is parked in my living room.).  I have
> one A Homer Hilsen (most likely for top position since its a diamond frame)
> Platypus mixte and another grocery getter/commuter mixte.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

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Where in Ohio?

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 2:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Come ride in the Midwest or South, and then you’ll appreciate your “hot
> and sticky” Bellingham summers :)
>
> I like to have made up goals for my riding. For a while, it was reading
> and returning books to my local system of little free libraries. This year,
> I used wanderer.earth to target riding all of my local town roads and
> paths. That was a good experience.
>
>
> Eric
> Now in Ohio, formerly of Seattle
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
>> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward
>> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and
>> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a chore.
>> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet
>> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve
>> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others
>> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work
>> through it.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] (*)osco bar hand positions

[Jon Dukeman]

Kevin
I have two bikes with 58 Boscos.
Gripping the bar in your circled area is uncomfortable because my bell and
shifter interfere with my right forearm.
For me the only place to grip is the flat area near the stem. And I never
grip that area .I have long stems and Its too much of a stretch for me.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 10:01 AM Kevin  wrote:

> Any riders of the Bosco and its myriad offshoots able to comment on how
> many/what kind of hand positions are available?
>
> Any general comments are welcome, but I am particularly interested in the
> circled portion of the bar in the attached photo. Is it usable or is there
> just too much rise going on at that section of the bar? Maybe the Losco
> differs a bit from the others in this area?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Crank Repair Advice

[Jon Dukeman]

They used to sell a kit with the drill for the helicoil, helicoil tap and
the helicoil.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 12:56 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> A good bike shop should be able to drill out the crank, tap the crank with
> helicoil tap  install a helicoil with loctite and reinstall your pedal.
> Good as new.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 12:33 PM Gill  wrote:
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>> Last fall through my own dumbassness I stripped the drive side (silver)
>> crank on my Clem. LBS tapped/threaded insert put the pedal back on and off
>> I went with no problems since. I recently asked a bike mechanic if he
>> thought this was a good, permanent solution and he said, “Dude, if it was
>> me I’d definitely get a new crank” (said with a slightly raised eyebrow  so
>> I’d know he was serious). So in deciding what to do if anyone here has
>> experience with this sort of thing or a reasoned opinion I’d be grateful to
>> hear it.
>>
>> Decision factors to consider:
>> I check often and pedal looks/feels fine.
>> Keeping stuff out of landfills worthy goal
>> Depedaling (is that a word?) was painful want to avoid going forward.
>> New cranks don’t come easy
>>
>> Questions:
>> How confident should I be with a repair?
>> Will changing out pedals compromise?
>> Should I have machine shop redo lbs repair, assuming skilled machinist
>> with sophisticated machinery will produce best result?
>> Should I just get a new crank?
>> Thanks
>> Gill
>> Gloucester MA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Crank Repair Advice

[Jon Dukeman]

A good bike shop should be able to drill out the crank, tap the crank with
helicoil tap  install a helicoil with loctite and reinstall your pedal.
Good as new.


On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 12:33 PM Gill  wrote:

> Last fall through my own dumbassness I stripped the drive side (silver)
> crank on my Clem. LBS tapped/threaded insert put the pedal back on and off
> I went with no problems since. I recently asked a bike mechanic if he
> thought this was a good, permanent solution and he said, “Dude, if it was
> me I’d definitely get a new crank” (said with a slightly raised eyebrow  so
> I’d know he was serious). So in deciding what to do if anyone here has
> experience with this sort of thing or a reasoned opinion I’d be grateful to
> hear it.
>
> Decision factors to consider:
> I check often and pedal looks/feels fine.
> Keeping stuff out of landfills worthy goal
> Depedaling (is that a word?) was painful want to avoid going forward.
> New cranks don’t come easy
>
> Questions:
> How confident should I be with a repair?
> Will changing out pedals compromise?
> Should I have machine shop redo lbs repair, assuming skilled machinist
> with sophisticated machinery will produce best result?
> Should I just get a new crank?
> Thanks
> Gill
> Gloucester MA
>
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Re: [RBW] Bike rack

[Jon Dukeman]

Siris is good if you have fenders.
Only weighs 25lb

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 7:38 AM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> Depending on your vehicle
> Siris. Freedom 2 .
> It's a hitch rack.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 7:30 AM katherine Evanskbe 
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>> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot?
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Re: [RBW] Bike rack

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Depending on your vehicle
Siris. Freedom 2 .
It's a hitch rack.

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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

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I happy it turned so good
Thanks for sharing.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, 4:31 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We had our Rivendell Ride today, and I was so happy that we had 10
> riders! We rode the KalHaven Trail, a rail trail that spans the 34 miles
> between Kalamazoo and South Haven. Eight of the ten riders brought
> Rivendells, most had seen a lot of miles. The oldest bike was the ‘97 or
> ‘98 orange Custom, and the newest was my 2020 Platypus.
>
> Here is the lineup, alphabetized:
> 2 Appaloosas
> 1 Atlantis (in custom green paint)
> 1 Custom orange Rivendell
> 1 Homer
> 1 Hunq
> 1 Platypus
> 1 Quickbeam
>
> And one Nobilette and a Soma mixte.
>
> It was great weather and good company, and we continued our fellowship at
> a local brewery post-ride. It was nice for Marc and me to meet everyone in
> real life and admire their bikes. We are planning our next ride for fall
> colors on the White Pine Trail. I bet it’s as pretty as it sounds.
>
> Photos in the next post, so wacky Google Groups doesn’t get the
> opportunity to turn all my photos sideways.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Atlantis, metallic brown, Waterford built, loaded, $2950 plus packing and shipping

[Jon Dukeman]

Someone is going to get a REALLY nice bike.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 10:06 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> That is a very pretty bike! Love the color. Not my size and I also have
> more bikes than I need.
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 5:49:14 AM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> bump before the weekend. $2850 plus packing and shipping. I'm including
>> racks, dyno lights, saddle, etc. The frame is a great color, and it's in
>> great shape. I just have too many bikes. First-world problem, I know.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> frame:61 cm, Waterford built, painted a metallic
>>> brown
>>>
>>> headset:FSA
>>>
>>> stem:  Nitto Technomic
>>>
>>> bars:   Simworks Co-Misirlou Bar, 45cm, Oury grips
>>> and Newbaum’s brown tape
>>>
>>> shifters: Ene Wing Shifter, Diacompe
>>>
>>> brake levers: Diacompe Gran Compe
>>>
>>> brakes:   Diacompe cantilvers
>>>
>>> crankset:   Silver triple
>>>
>>> front derailer:   Shimano Claris
>>>
>>> rear derailer:Shimano Deore XT
>>>
>>> rims:   Velocity Dyad, 36 spokes
>>>
>>> tires:   Teravail Rampart, 700 x 42c
>>>
>>> rear hub:   Shimano hub
>>>
>>> front hub:  Schmidt Son 28
>>>
>>> saddle:   Brooks B17 Special
>>>
>>> seatpost Nitto S83
>>>
>>> pedals:   MKS Sylvan
>>>
>>> kickstand   included
>>>
>>> front rack: Nitto mini-front rack, 32F
>>>
>>> front light: Schmidt Edelux II – Ano
>>>
>>> rear rack:   Nitto Big Back Rack, 33R
>>>
>>> rear light:  Busch & Muller
>>>
>>> fenders: SKS
>>>
>>> link to photos:
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GhkT1e7ucvHvs2aV9
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Re: [RBW] Platypus Mods

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks...i found it at Rib.
Jon

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 9:28 PM Richard Borneman  wrote:

> Kate, the bars are wide Boscos. Jon, the rack is a Nitto Basket rack.
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 9:35:21 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:04 PM David Person  wrote:
>>
>>> Though not identical, a SimWorks Obento rack is similar.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Who makes the front rack?
 Jon

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> Last Saturday was rainy around here. I spent most of the day making
> some changes on my Platy.
>  Swapped out the wheels, Schmidt front, White ind. rear, Mavic A719
> rims. New tires, Soma Vitesse 700x42's. Added Paul cross levers. I like to
> hold the bars in the center going downhill and feel a lot safer with brake
> levers under my hands. Lots of deer in the State park where I ride and 
> I've
> almost had a couple collisions on downhills.
> I installed lights. Eldelux 2 front, B tail light and fenders. V.O
> 63mm fluted.
> Took me most of the day but it turned out pretty good. Photos attached.
> Took her out for a ride on Sunday. Picked up a dozen ears of Maryland
> sweet corm. The more I ride this bike, the more I like it.
> Before and after shots of the bars. Added Ergon grips too. Moved the
> bell to the stem.
> I like to hold the bars forward of the shifters sometimes.
> Richard
> [image: IMG_3396.JPG][image: IMG_3391.JPG][image: IMG_3394.JPG][image:
> IMG_3395.JPG][image: IMG_3397.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Platypus Mods

[Jon Dukeman]

Thank you!

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:04 PM David Person  wrote:

> Though not identical, a SimWorks Obento rack is similar.
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> Who makes the front rack?
>> Jon
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 3:52 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>>
>>> Last Saturday was rainy around here. I spent most of the day making some
>>> changes on my Platy.
>>>  Swapped out the wheels, Schmidt front, White ind. rear, Mavic A719
>>> rims. New tires, Soma Vitesse 700x42's. Added Paul cross levers. I like to
>>> hold the bars in the center going downhill and feel a lot safer with brake
>>> levers under my hands. Lots of deer in the State park where I ride and I've
>>> almost had a couple collisions on downhills.
>>> I installed lights. Eldelux 2 front, B tail light and fenders. V.O
>>> 63mm fluted.
>>> Took me most of the day but it turned out pretty good. Photos attached.
>>> Took her out for a ride on Sunday. Picked up a dozen ears of Maryland
>>> sweet corm. The more I ride this bike, the more I like it.
>>> Before and after shots of the bars. Added Ergon grips too. Moved the
>>> bell to the stem.
>>> I like to hold the bars forward of the shifters sometimes.
>>> Richard
>>> [image: IMG_3396.JPG][image: IMG_3391.JPG][image: IMG_3394.JPG][image:
>>> IMG_3395.JPG][image: IMG_3397.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus Mods

[Jon Dukeman]

What is the front rack?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:53 PM 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Beautiful additions.  The bar wrap is superb!!!  I have some temporary
> black wrap on mine until I finalize my bar choice. I have the Nitto Choco
> on currently.  Might want a bit of a rise and sweep so I'm still
> considering others.  What kind do you have on yours?
> I have both the front and rear lights and they are a real treat.  I never
> even think of bringing my lights in to charge anymore.
> Happy riding
> Kate, Trenton, NJ
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:52:41 AM UTC-4 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> Last Saturday was rainy around here. I spent most of the day making some
>> changes on my Platy.
>>  Swapped out the wheels, Schmidt front, White ind. rear, Mavic A719 rims.
>> New tires, Soma Vitesse 700x42's. Added Paul cross levers. I like to hold
>> the bars in the center going downhill and feel a lot safer with brake
>> levers under my hands. Lots of deer in the State park where I ride and I've
>> almost had a couple collisions on downhills.
>> I installed lights. Eldelux 2 front, B tail light and fenders. V.O 63mm
>> fluted.
>> Took me most of the day but it turned out pretty good. Photos attached.
>> Took her out for a ride on Sunday. Picked up a dozen ears of Maryland
>> sweet corm. The more I ride this bike, the more I like it.
>> Before and after shots of the bars. Added Ergon grips too. Moved the bell
>> to the stem.
>> I like to hold the bars forward of the shifters sometimes.
>> Richard
>> [image: IMG_3396.JPG][image: IMG_3391.JPG][image: IMG_3394.JPG][image:
>> IMG_3395.JPG][image: IMG_3397.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Wald basket rusting. Equivalent in stainless steel? Or how to prevent rust?

[Jon Dukeman]

I think you have gotten your money's worth on this one.
Jon

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 6:44 PM J J  wrote:

> Thanks, Aaron and Jon. I appreciate your suggestions!
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 8:39:46 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wald baskets are made of steel and zinc plated.
>> Suggest removing your basket and mix 50/50 water and white vinegar and
>> scrub affected area with steel wool.
>> Rinse and spray paint with black primer / top coat Rustoleum.
>> If rust is too much then find a new inexpensive 139 on line. I saw one
>> for 19.99.
>> I painted my basket and the paint has held up well. I touch up as needed.
>> Jon
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 4:41 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> One option might be Analog’s cerakoted baskets.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 14:09, J J  wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone come across a good stainless steel basket around the same
>>> size as the 139? I'm not concerned about weight. I love the Wald, but the
>>> rusting has gotten too much.
>>>
>>> Or has anyone successfully treated a new Wald with a clear coat of some
>>> sort to mitigate rusting? If so, what did you use?
>>>
>>> Thanks very much.
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Re: [RBW] Wald basket rusting. Equivalent in stainless steel? Or how to prevent rust?

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Wald baskets are made of steel and zinc plated.
Suggest removing your basket and mix 50/50 water and white vinegar and
scrub affected area with steel wool.
Rinse and spray paint with black primer / top coat Rustoleum.
If rust is too much then find a new inexpensive 139 on line. I saw one for
19.99.
I painted my basket and the paint has held up well. I touch up as needed.
Jon

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 4:41 PM  wrote:

> One option might be Analog’s cerakoted baskets.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Jul 11, 2022, at 14:09, J J  wrote:
>
> Has anyone come across a good stainless steel basket around the same size
> as the 139? I'm not concerned about weight. I love the Wald, but the
> rusting has gotten too much.
>
> Or has anyone successfully treated a new Wald with a clear coat of some
> sort to mitigate rusting? If so, what did you use?
>
> Thanks very much.
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Re: [RBW] Supernova E3 pro2...but dont want to run the rear light?

[Jon Dukeman]

Contact :
Peter White Bicycles.
Very "lighting" knowledgeable great customer service 
Peterwhitecycles.com

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 1:51 PM 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Lighting is one area that completely baffles me. Well, anything involving
> electricity for that matter, so I generally rely on those with more
> experience lest I end up cooking myself or the electronics.
>
> Here's what I have on hand to work with. SP SV-8 front hub, Supernova E3 2
> pro front light, Nitto rack or equivalent, rechargeable rear LED of some
> sort. Fork has provisions for internal wiring hub to light, frame has no
> considerations.
>
> Most of my riding is during daylight. When I need a light, it will
> primarily be off road and for purposes of seeing, not being seen. I have
> several extremely capable rechargeable rear lights for use when needed, so
> I don't want to permanently route cables to the back of the bike. That
> said, the E3 light has dedicated rear wiring I need to deal with. Can the
> rear wires be "unplugged" or are they soldered in? I don't want to ruin the
> light by clipping them off. I know they're not absolutely needed for the
> front to operate since I've never had a rear light attached and it worked
> great.
>
> Any better wisdom on dealing with the wiring? Am I better off ditching the
> E3 and going with a "simpler" front only model? If that's the case, any
> recommendations for something that would suit the need, preferably in
> silver?
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Re: [RBW] Re: That new rear derailer

[Jon Dukeman]

Not sure if this is the answer you are looking for.
I removed my 9 spd Altus and replaced it with a 9spd Shimano XT rapid rise
derailuer. I'm using Microshift 9 speed indexing thumb shifters that work
great with11- 36 cassette Front derailuer is friction. Silver 38×24 cranks
I did not have to do anything to the chain length.
I really like having front & rear shifters move the same way for high and
low gears.

On Wed, May 4, 2022, 11:23 AM Corwin  wrote:

> Not to belabor the point - but...
>
> My question was not "Will the new derailer index?". My question was "How
> many people that disdain rapid rise have actually tried it?" Based on my
> experience using drivetrain components not matched [or not quite matched]
> for each other, I am not likely to try indexing on a derailer not
> specifically designed to index. I do think rapid rise is unfairly maligned.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:33:09 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> iamkeith followed up, saying: "I wish I could find the old Blahg or
>> Peeking through the Knothole or Reader article where they were tossing
>> around the idea of the reversible spring.  It seemed so genius and simple
>> to me.   Though I suspect you're right - it probably wasn't simple at all."
>>
>> I think the idea of a reversible action rear derailer would be super
>> cute.  As a feature it's a strong 'nice to have'.  The problem is that you
>> can't achieve that feature with a normal Cable+return spring mechanism
>> unless the derailer itself is made up of parts that can be disassembled and
>> reassembled.  If we made that feature (reversibility) a "MUST HAVE", then
>> the way to achieve it would be to ditch the traditional mechanism.  We'd
>> design a desmodrmic actuation method.  This means we actively move it in
>> both directions and there is no return spring.  Old french rear derailers,
>> made famous by Bicycle Quarterly had a continuous loop of cable actuating
>> the rear der.  You could take your 1950's Rene Herse and give it a SICK
>> Grant Pedersen flavor by reinstalling the cable in a figure 8: now it's
>> Rapid Rise Rene!  Alternatively, one could fashion a hydraulic actuation
>> method that pushes the RD in each direction.  It's trivial to insert a
>> control valve that flips this flow and makes it Rapid Rise Hydro!
>>
>> Either one would be fun projects.  I've got pretty copious design notes
>> on both of the above.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:49:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith asked one question and then implied a second question by
 stating a wonder.
 The question:

>>>
>>> I don't always do as good of a Job as Bill at making the message-posting
>>> sequence as clear as Bill does, but my message - and rhetorical query of my
>>> own - was mostly meant as a response to Corwin's question.  My point was
>>> that I too suspect indexing might actually work for those who want it -
>>> though there's no way I could know for sure yet.   I was just hoping
>>> somebody might.   My other point was that I agree with Corwin saying that
>>> there's absolutely nothing to "hate" about rapid-rise.   But both options
>>> are still nice to have.  Horses for courses.
>>>
>>>
>>>  A convertible Rivendell RD would achieve what?  It would allow people
 who love Rivendell but hate RapidRise to spend extra money on a Rivendell
 RD, but flip it back to work the same as a cheap Shimano Altus that is
 already awesome.  I don't see any point in that.


>>> Well, to me, it would offer an option to continue getting what will be
>>> presumably HIGH-quality and presumably polished silver,  normal-rise
>>> derailleurs - as opposed to
>>> perfectly-functional-but-cheap-and-not-attractive Altus derailleurs - which
>>> could help me keep my old (and new) bikes running with my preferred 7, 8
>>> and 9 speed drivetrains.  I've long since tired of cruising ebay, looking
>>> for obsolete parts, but I like what I like.  It would be wonderful to have
>>> a new and in-productcion option available.  And "yes," supporting Riv would
>>> just makes it that much better.  Not saying I won't buy one or more anyway
>>> - just daydreaming out loud.
>>>
>>> I wish I could find the old Blahg or Peeking through the Knothole or
>>> Reader article where they were tossing around the idea of the reversible
>>> spring.  It seemed so genius and simple to me.   Though I suspect you're
>>> right - it probably wasn't simple at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



 On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:30:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Is there a reason this derailleur couldn't be used with index shifters
> if someone was so inclined?  Grant said they copied the parallelogram
> geometry from Shimano.  I assumed that meant it had a 1.66:1 cable pull
> ratio, so any index shifter up through 

Re: [RBW] Do the Sam Hillborne and Platypus have the same clearances?

[Jon Dukeman]

Ray
I have a 58 Canti Sam & a 55 Platty.
I run 700x 40C knobbys on the Sam and sometimes Little Big Ben's.  I've run
Schwalbe g-one alrounders too all about 40mm wide or 1.5"
The 55 Platty I run 28 x 2 Schwalbe G1 extra grip knobbys or sometimes
Schwalbe Big Bens
Each about 50 mm wide.
Issues with clearance is at the chain stays on the Sam trying to fit the
28x 2s
My best answer is the 700C tires on the Sam will fit on the Platty but my
tires on the Platty will not clear
the 700C Sam. 700c & 28 are interchangeable.
I have v brakes on the Platty. Cantilevers on the Sam. No fenders.
I have not tried to interchange tires I just took measurements at the chain
stays.
Hope this helps.
Jon

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 10:51 AM Ray Varella  wrote:

> Specifically, do they each fit the same size tires?
> Rivendell is generally conservative with tire sizing on their frames.
> Does anyone have a current Sam and Platypus to compare?
>
> Thank you
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hunqapillar on Monumental Loop

[Jon Dukeman]

Wow! Thanks for sharing.
Lots of fun.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 7:32 AM WETH  wrote:

> I spent a few days with a friend exploring Las Cruces, NM and the northern
> half of the Monument Loop 2.0 (
> https://bikepacking.com/routes/monumental-loop/).  I rode my Hunqapillar
> and found it equal to the task.  The Monumental Loop contains paved roads,
> paved bike paths, gravel paths, dirt roads of varying quality, single
> track, and sections of hike-a-bike trails.  I find the desert therapeutic,
> especially in early spring!  The camping spots we found were beautiful and
> remote. We divided the northern half of the loop into three 45ish mile
> days, which was the perfect pace at which to enjoy the scenery, to eat
> meals in a few of towns we passed through, and to insure remote camping
> spots.
>
> Photo of the Hunqapillar here:
> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Family/2022/Monumental-Loop--March/i-JwThrQ3/A
>
> More highlight photos of the trip here on Instagram:
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CbuahSlu6FA/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CbxCEBbuTbw/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> All the photos from the trip here on SmugMug:
>
> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Family/2022/Monumental-Loop--March
>
> Hoping everyone can enjoy their favorite type of riding in 2022!
>
> Erl
>
> Kensington, MD
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Re: [RBW] Other uses for air compressor?

[Jon Dukeman]

Blowing off the decreasing fluid from the bike parts you just cleaned.
Blowing out the filter of your shop vac.
Hooking up a paint gun assembly.
Setting up a sand blaster

On Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 4:37 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> I’m gearing up for experimenting with tubeless tires per the Analog guide,
> so I just bought a an air compressor with appropriate inflation
> attachments. It’s obviously great for keeping my tires topped up, but I’m
> wondering if it has other clever uses. Blowing out grit I guess, and drying
> stuff off — anything else?
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] Front Range Riv Riders? Atlantis curious in Boulder

[Jon Dukeman]

Lance
Is Front Range Riv Riders a Club?
I live in Larkspur but all my rides start at Reynolds Landing behind
Breckenridge Brewing Company. Love riding to Big Dry Creek to Highline.
I have a Sam, Platypus, and. Cheviot.
Best
Jon Dukeman

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:19 AM Lance Terry  wrote:

> Hi Christian, I'm down in Littleton. I just finished up an Atlantis build.
> It's a 62cm however,  but you're welcome to give it a try. We can probably
> move stuff around enough to make it ridable for you to at least give you an
> idea. I have a 60 Platypus also that's a lot of fun. I have to travel this
> week but maybe sometime after that we can get together.
> Lance
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I don't know how you'd define "a few hours," but I'm in Omaha, NE and
>> have a 59cm. If for some strange reason you found yourself in town, you'd
>> be more than welcome to give it a spin. I'm confident, though, that you'll
>> encounter one a little closer to home.
>>
>> Ben in Omaha.
>>
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:10:31 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell likes to put people in the MAX size possible. With the
>>> expanded geometry I am almost always at the top of one size and the very
>>> bottom of another.  Rivendell has suggested the larger sizes but time has
>>> shown me that I prefer to be at the top of a size vs the bottom contrary to
>>> what they would push for me.  It looks like you might be exactly the same
>>> with the Atlantis frame. A PBH of 89.5 is the minimum size that that they
>>> would recommend for the 59 which would put you at the very bottom for that
>>> size and at the top for the 55.  That makes it tricky and a lot will come
>>> down to personal preference. I hope you can find a good source for a try
>>> out!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am still new here but I suspect you will get a lot of folks
>>>> suggesting you depend on & trust the advice on fit that is available just
>>>> from talking to the folks at Riv. They will not steer you wrong. Of course
>>>> there is nothing wrong with riding first if the opportunity presents 
>>>> itself.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Christian B-H a wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All-
>>>>
>>>> A Riv admirer from afar since 2019 thanks to my Rivspirational Uncle
>>>> Andy in SF. Grant's Bluhgs and Riv-stuff kept me mostly sane from 2019 till
>>>> now and influenced my decision to get a steel "gravel" bike with bigger
>>>> tires over carbon.  I had a chance in July 2021 to  go to Walnut Creek, and
>>>> my wife and friends who joined will attest I was like a kid in a candy
>>>> shop. I remember glancing over at Grant who was practicing laps on the
>>>> long-stemmed, mini cycle with James, and then looking back at Antonio, who
>>>> had Grant's Appaloosa in hand and saying, "Really? I can *ride HIS
>>>> bike?*" (photo below- Me with Friend in Hat clarifying with Antonio.
>>>> My wife in the background experiencing the Riv magic).
>>>>
>>>> [image: 1866700f-dbed-4501-9ad3-abec74f90665.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> That day however I left with one thought in mind: Jame's Atlantis was
>>>> the smoothest, best feeling bike I've ever ridden. Even if it was a size or
>>>> so too small.
>>>>
>>>> So, looking to determine what *size* Atlantis I'd be ahead of this
>>>> next order, my question for this group is: *Is there anyone within a a
>>>> few hours of Boulder, CO with a 55-60cm Atlantis who'd be willing to let me
>>>> test ride? *
>>>>
>>>> I *think *I've seen at least one Atlantis in the wild here, and I *know
>>>> *I've seen a few other Riv's around here...I'd love the opportunity to
>>>> ride an Atlantis again before buying to help figure out sizing (I know PBH
>>>> (89), calling to discuss, email etc. I've done it. I just want to see if I
>>>> should go 55 or 59  based on feel, and experience the ride one more time to
>>>> see which bike I may have to get rid of to help the purchase along).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Christian Beitel-Horton in Boulder, CO
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[Jon Dukeman]

That's a beautiful build Hugh!!!


On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 7:29 PM Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Howdy Atlantis Folks,
>
> Been a while but I'm finally ready to show my Orange'Lantis off. Finished
> the build last night and took it for a spin on the LA River MUP today and
> did a little photo shoot. Beautiful day all and all. Not sure the Map
> Ahearn bars will stay but here it is in all it's Orangey glory.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmX5PDmW
>
> Hugh
>
> On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 10:40:49 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Hi Rivy Peps,
>>
>> There's a lotta love for many of the Riv models out there and rightly so
>> but I think the flagship model born from the original all-rounder needs
>> some attention. So in that spirit let's see you Atlantis. Extra points for
>> close-up pictures of your cockpit and other details like wheels, but we of
>> course want to see a nice portrait too!
>>
>> Let's have some fun!
>>
>> Hugh Smiitham
>> Los Angeles, CA
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Re: [RBW] If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

[Jon Dukeman]

Have you tried Crust Bikes for those lights?
Crustbikes.com

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 2:48 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Shipping is very expensive.  I have a hard tine justifying paying more for
> shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get.  If there are others in
> this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping.
>
> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a front
> light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on flash mode.
> My Koma lights seem to last longer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Altus!

[Jon Dukeman]

I have 3 Rivendell bikes with Altus r derailleur.
It handles the 9spd w/ 12-36 cassette with ease on my Platypus. It's my
favorite derailleur. A derailleur before it's time with large jockey wheels.

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022, 8:54 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:

> Interesting that this came up. I have a brand new Altus that I have been
> debating about using on my upcoming build.  I was pushed into "yes do it"
> when I saw that Rivendell had put them on some Gus and Susie builds. If
> they put a $20 part on a $2000 frame then I should give it a shot.
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> High praise indeed!
>>
>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/02/09/the-smoothness-of-friction/#more-8766
>>
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Favorite 26" tires

[Jon Dukeman]

Contact your bike shop they can get tires made to use on a trainer. Save
your good tires for the road


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022, 6:20 PM Lynn Haas  wrote:

> I moved to Iowa this year, and am experiencing my first Iowa winter. I
> never expected to spend this much time on a trainer. I even signed up for
> Zwift. Why is there a bike path inside a volcano?
>
> Anyway, my Panaracer Paselas have a weird spot where the casing joins that
> goes thunk-thunk-thunk on the rollers. It's driving me nuts. I don't want
> to put a trainer tire on the bike. I want to believe that I'm going to go
> ride outside again sometime before the end of time.
>
> What are the favored 26 inch road-ish tire favorites these days? I have
> had and disliked Schwalbes. My last set of Marathon Supremes picked up an
> ungodly array of laceration-inducing, afternoon-ruining, sharp objects. I
> was quite pleased with the Panaracers until I started riding inside. My
> downstairs neighbors are probably unhappy with the thunk-thunk-thunk, too.
> It definitely scares the cat. I'm on an MUSA Atlantis and could go up to
> about 40mm with my fender setup. Ideas?
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Re: [RBW] Re: My new Clem in Seoul

[Jon Dukeman]

Marcus
Like your build . Very
Clean
Jon

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 10:56 AM Max S  wrote:

> That purple bar tape goes well with the frame color! I miss visiting
> Korea... Didn't seem like much of a bike scene there, except for a large
> number of mini-velos I'd see inside of buildings and on campuses. How's the
> riding?
>
> - Max " 'bap and beef knee garlic soup? you have my number" in A2
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:19:14 PM UTC-5 marcusg...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Looking at all the Clems in this group helped with my long wait for mine
>> to arrive in South Korea. So here are some pics of my Clem for you!
>>
>> [image: 20220127_070825.jpg][image: 20220127_154821.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[Jon Dukeman]

Zoom in with thumb & fore finger

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 10:28 AM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> My Surly. I'll look for better pics
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 9:39 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can
>> handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars,
>> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a
>> decaf espresso type.
>>
>> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black
>> components?
>>
>> With gratitude,
>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Jon Dukeman]

Eric
I grew up in Galion..near Mansfield

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Jon, I’m in Plain City, just NW of Columbus.
>
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, Jon Dukeman 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric
>> Where in Ohio are you?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle
>>> up!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have
>>>> weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up in
>>>> the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing.
>>>>
>>>> Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike feels
>>>> weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between adding and
>>>> empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat post I put on my
>>>> Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.
>>>>
>>>> I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some Rivendell
>>>> friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this stuff! 藍
>>>>
>>>> Sorry!
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> While we’re going "arg!"...
>>>> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be
>>>> answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her
>>>> build, but I guess that’s OBE.
>>>> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their
>>>> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>>>>
>>>> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to
>>>> be a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
>>>> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or
>>>> hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>>>>
>>>> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
>>>> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
>>>> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c
>>>> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550
>>>> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
>>>> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a
>>>> bell.
>>>> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>>>>
>>>> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding
>>>> weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>>>>
>>>> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590
>>>> crank and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike,
>>>> thinner tubing, lighter crank.
>>>>
>>>> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next
>>>> time at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Jon Dukeman]

Eric
Where in Ohio are you?

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle up!
>
> Eric
> in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have
>> weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up in
>> the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing.
>>
>> Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike feels
>> weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between adding and
>> empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat post I put on my
>> Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.
>>
>> I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some Rivendell
>> friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this stuff! 藍
>>
>> Sorry!
>> L
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>> While we’re going "arg!"...
>> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be
>> answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>>
>> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her
>> build, but I guess that’s OBE.
>> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their
>> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>>
>> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to be
>> a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
>> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or
>> hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>>
>> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
>> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
>> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c
>> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550
>> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
>> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a bell.
>> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>>
>> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding
>> weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>>
>> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590 crank
>> and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike, thinner
>> tubing, lighter crank.
>>
>> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next time
>> at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Jim for all your hard work to keep it going

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 7:55 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> Thanks for asking, Eric - at this point, it's a "known Known" and is
> unlikely to be changed, barring Google dropping the entire Groups format.
>
> Despite drawbacks and quirks, it provides decent bandwidth with a minimum
> of management and zero out of pocket cost. I've hosted, managed and run
> Listservs, BBS's and their related offspring over the years and none of
> them are without hassle.
>
> The attachment size for photos into Google Groups has been 25 MB for some
> time now. Yeah... but the other option is to set up a nice photo album and
> share that link.
>
> I have posted before that if things are not working correctly, the one
> helpful "to-do" is to access the Settings panel and use the "Send feedback
> to Google" button. Some things have actually been addressed over the years.
>
> There is a "For Sale" tag (Or "Label" in Googroup parlance). Periodically
> I remind folks, but honestly, almost every list member seems to label
> things clearly enough in the subject that it's hard to be confused.
> There are actually three labels - "RBW-Emphemera" - "RBW-History" and
> "transations-sell-buy-trade"
> I"ve been relatively slow to implement them, as I did not want to impose
> too much structure on this group.
>
> I would also say that basic searchability is pretty strong - that's been
> refined a great deal over the last couple years. As with Gmail, it uses
> tools which are pretty refined.
>
> As one more vector, there is a Rivendell Owners Bunch On Facebook group
> which I set up a while ago, where For Sale/Trade is not allowed, and photos
> are more the coin of the realm.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch
>
> There's another one which I'm not an admin of called "Rivendellicious"
> which also includes Bridgestone topics and allows transactions.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>
> again, I appreciate your input - thanks!
>
> - Jim / group admin
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:09:29 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all -- I'm relatively new in these parts but I do love and appreciate
>> the community, information, gear swaps and laughs of the RBW Owners Bunch.
>>
>> But, man, Google Groups is awful. I'm a member of a few other forums that
>> use phpBB  which is, to my mind, real nice and
>> easy to use.
>>
>> Problems I see here:
>>
>>- Generally difficult to keep up with rolling posts, format doesn't
>>lend to quick scanning and visual organization
>>- Threads don't have pages! Infinite scroll
>>- DMs get lost
>>- Sharing images is a total pain
>>- We don't have discussion folders for broad categories. Spitballing
>>here but we could have: General discussion, For Sale, Repairs and
>>maintenance, etc.
>>- A For Sale folder with a tagged/pinned mega thread with frames for
>>sale would be cool, supplemented by our rolling gear posts.
>>
>> I believe phpbb would add some much needed functionality, editing
>> capability, sharing capability and browsing capability! I have not done *any
>> *research into the cost or what it would take to set up a new forum but
>> I'd wager that a few of us would gladly chip in to cover the costs.
>>
>> Food for thought. Perhaps this has been discussed previously. But I think
>> there are better ways for us to get together.
>>
>> Did I mention Google groups is awful?
>>
>> Okay, peace and love!
>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a

[Jon Dukeman]

I use a torque wrench on critical parts like stems ,handlebars , Disc brake
rotors & seat post bolts
Snap- On. Or Mac tools have good, calibrated torque wrenches.
I found out the hard way you get what you pay for.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 2:22 PM 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>Just found my 2nd torque wrench has died, after less than ten uses,
> after being properly stored, in a dry place, in its box, with the tension
> relaxed.
>
>I started putting my Effetto Mariposa through the warm up calibration,
> and no clicks at 16Nm nor 3 Nm nor any Nm setting. I wanted to install a
> Paul Boxcar stem on my Hunq, my first 31.8mm stem, and I wanted to get it
> right, but now I'm left with just my own wrenching touchy feelyness.
>
>My Park Tools torque wench was dead on arrival, and now my second much
> more pricey Effetto Mariposa has abandoned its mortal coil and left me
> checking the REI return policy. What gives? Is the normal? I have trout
> flies that have lasted longer! Jeez! I still use my first, now 52 years
> old, fiberglass fly rod. I know I'm not Godzilla.
>
>Are there any reliable torque wrenches out there for 3-5.5Nm wrenching,
> or are they just a waste of money if you're a careful mechanic?
>
> Sorry for the ranting, but I'd really like to know what you all depend on.
>
> Thanks, John
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn handlebar bag (older version)

[Jon Dukeman]

Yes. I had to find a second hand saddle bag.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 12:13 PM Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Though I highly dislike the Acorn business model (Build stuff then flash
> sell it to the fastest mouse click) I absolutely love my Acorn handle bar
> bag. Good luck finding one, it's literally my favorite bag I have.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 9:42:36 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Greetings Pedalers,
>>
>> I'm looking for an discontinued version of the Acorn handlebar bag.
>> Should you have one trapped in a box, bin, or closet and in need of further
>> adventures, let me know.
>> [image: Acorn Bag.png]
>> Cheers,
>> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Jon Dukeman]

That's a beautiful machine.
You'll get many fun miles on it.
 Jon

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 4:43 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I've had my Platy since Memorial Day weekend, making minor adjustments to
> saddle and handlebar.  I might lower the handlebar a bit, but I know I LOVE
> the mixte--mine and everyone else who's posted.  My Platy's handlebar is
> Billie Bar, drive train is 1x11 Garbaruk, tires are tubeless  Gravel King
> SS+ (I think) in 43mm.   I have multi-color spoke nipples, valves and caps,
> but I didn't get a chance to clean them for this pic.   Its interesting to
> see each rider's personality in his/her build.
>
> Kate, thanks for coming up with such a cool name--#PlatyPosing!  Benz--I
> can see the family resemblance Wilbury to Platy.  Row-n--TWO Riv mixtes!
> Aren't you lucky.  I didn't realize the wheelbase of the Chev is so long!
> And, Ariel, such style and personality!  Leah, you got me into this-- thank
> you
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia
>
> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:48:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> It’s the newest trend around RivWorld - Platypus owners lifting their new
>> Platys on high.
>>
>> If you have a Platypus, former Rivendell mixte model or a custom
>> Rivendell mixte, we need you here. Hoist your mixte on high, snap a photo
>> and post it here. It will be delightful to see how you’ve set up your bike
>> and all the personal touches you’ve added.
>>
>> ♥️Leah
>>
>> “The Platypus is arguably the most beautiful bike in our line, and we try
>> so damn hard to make them all beautiful.” ~Grant Petersen
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Jon Dukeman]



On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 5:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> This nurse will write you an excuse, Jon. Beautiful pair of mixtes!
> ❤️Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
> Sorry 70 year old with recent back surgery are EXEMPT from lifting.
> 
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 5:17 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, gorgeous mixtes, my friends, but you gotta hoist ‘em.
>>
>> Those are the rules!
>> L
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
>> benzouy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I will play this game (except the hoisting part)!
>>
>> <2019Apr04-Rivendell_Wilbury.jpg>
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury, repainted in "Cheviot orange", outfitted as an
>> errand/grocery/takeout bike with front/rear racks, dynamo lighting,
>> fenders, and two-legged kickstand. I have a small selection of panniers
>> that I use with this bike (not shown), and it recently acquired a cardboard
>> box on the front rack to better carry takeout.
>>
>> This is essentially a 1X bike, as rear shifting is by a thumbshifter on
>> the handlebar, and front shifting is via a downtube shifter (because I
>> seldom need that low gear). I have no clue how heavy it is, but the
>> addition of the mission-critical heavy lock (to complement the Pitlocks and
>> security bolts) couldn't have helped. The eagle-eyed will spy the dynamo
>> wire guides on the right fork blade, and the second brake cable stop on the
>> top tube; this bike was originally designed for centerpull brakes, so it
>> only had one brake cable stop. I threw these opportunistic mods in as part
>> of the repaint.
>>
>> It does ride and handle well, and even though not ideal due to its
>> upright riding position, I've even taken it up Old La Honda and Kings
>> Mountain, and descended 84E (local climbs in the SF South Bay), just for
>> kicks. As an errand/grocery/takeout bike, this bike probably has the
>> highest number of rides amongst my bikes.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s the newest trend around RivWorld - Platypus owners lifting their
>>> new Platys on high.
>>>
>>> If you have a Platypus, former Rivendell mixte model or a custom
>>> Rivendell mixte, we need you here. Hoist your mixte on high, snap a photo
>>> and post it here. It will be delightful to see how you’ve set up your bike
>>> and all the personal touches you’ve added.
>>>
>>> ♥️Leah
>>>
>>> “The Platypus is arguably the most beautiful bike in our line, and we
>>> try so damn hard to make them all beautiful.” ~Grant Petersen
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Jon Dukeman]

Sorry 70 year old with recent back surgery are EXEMPT from lifting.


On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 5:17 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Beautiful, gorgeous mixtes, my friends, but you gotta hoist ‘em.
>
> Those are the rules!
> L
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
> benzouy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will play this game (except the hoisting part)!
>
> <2019Apr04-Rivendell_Wilbury.jpg>
>
> Rivendell Wilbury, repainted in "Cheviot orange", outfitted as an
> errand/grocery/takeout bike with front/rear racks, dynamo lighting,
> fenders, and two-legged kickstand. I have a small selection of panniers
> that I use with this bike (not shown), and it recently acquired a cardboard
> box on the front rack to better carry takeout.
>
> This is essentially a 1X bike, as rear shifting is by a thumbshifter on
> the handlebar, and front shifting is via a downtube shifter (because I
> seldom need that low gear). I have no clue how heavy it is, but the
> addition of the mission-critical heavy lock (to complement the Pitlocks and
> security bolts) couldn't have helped. The eagle-eyed will spy the dynamo
> wire guides on the right fork blade, and the second brake cable stop on the
> top tube; this bike was originally designed for centerpull brakes, so it
> only had one brake cable stop. I threw these opportunistic mods in as part
> of the repaint.
>
> It does ride and handle well, and even though not ideal due to its upright
> riding position, I've even taken it up Old La Honda and Kings Mountain, and
> descended 84E (local climbs in the SF South Bay), just for kicks. As an
> errand/grocery/takeout bike, this bike probably has the highest number of
> rides amongst my bikes.
>
> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> It’s the newest trend around RivWorld - Platypus owners lifting their new
>> Platys on high.
>>
>> If you have a Platypus, former Rivendell mixte model or a custom
>> Rivendell mixte, we need you here. Hoist your mixte on high, snap a photo
>> and post it here. It will be delightful to see how you’ve set up your bike
>> and all the personal touches you’ve added.
>>
>> ♥️Leah
>>
>> “The Platypus is arguably the most beautiful bike in our line, and we try
>> so damn hard to make them all beautiful.” ~Grant Petersen
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Jon Dukeman]

Doug
I was surprised going from 32 cog to 36 also..there was no adjustment on
mine either.  The high and low limit screws were the same but figured the B
screw might need adjusting. Love that Altus.
Jon

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 4:40 PM dougP  wrote:

> I have the Altus on my Atlantis with 11-36 9 speed shifted with Silver2
> shifters.  Shifts great.  Previous cassette was 12-32.  No adjustments
> needed.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 1:27:41 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I was surprised the Altus cleared the 36 tooth cog so easily.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:19 PM Matthew P  wrote:
>>
>>> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn
>>> difference, lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes,
>>> the widths are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here:
>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to
>>> travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying
>>> within the confines of friction shifting. So is the only other concern how
>>> big of a cog you have on the cassette and whether the rear derailer can
>>> clear it (and if not, wolf tooth road link or similar, right?). Maybe cage
>>> length (and pulley wheel size?) also matter(s) if bigger cogs and wider
>>> gear range  = longer/more chain to take up?
>>> -Matthew
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 12:00:59 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tom
 I run my Altus with 12 x 36 9 speed on my Plattypus using Micro shift 9
 speed shifter on index. Front : Silver Wide/ low double 38× 24.

 On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 10:45 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with
> a 9 speed on friction shift?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Jon Dukeman]

I was surprised the Altus cleared the 36 tooth cog so easily.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:19 PM Matthew P 
wrote:

> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn difference,
> lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, the widths
> are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here:
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to travel
> the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying within the
> confines of friction shifting. So is the only other concern how big of a
> cog you have on the cassette and whether the rear derailer can clear it
> (and if not, wolf tooth road link or similar, right?). Maybe cage length
> (and pulley wheel size?) also matter(s) if bigger cogs and wider gear
> range  = longer/more chain to take up?
> -Matthew
> San Diego
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 12:00:59 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Tom
>> I run my Altus with 12 x 36 9 speed on my Plattypus using Micro shift 9
>> speed shifter on index. Front : Silver Wide/ low double 38× 24.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 10:45 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>>> Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with a
>>> 9 speed on friction shift?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Jon Dukeman]

Tom
I run my Altus with 12 x 36 9 speed on my Plattypus using Micro shift 9
speed shifter on index. Front : Silver Wide/ low double 38× 24.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 10:45 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with a 9
> speed on friction shift?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland
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Re: [RBW] My new fall project arrived

[Jon Dukeman]

Gotta love that Orange. Have fun with that one

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, 10:06 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I have most of the parts for this but not all of them so it will be a fall
> build up.  Super excited for this one especially since it looks like this
> model won't come to reality anytime in the near future.
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Re: [RBW] Handlebar/Stem pouch for Wine

[Jon Dukeman]

Try Randi Jo Fabrications

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:24 PM J Schwartz  wrote:

> Does anyone know of a a sidekick/snackbar/feedbag type pouch that mounts
> to to the handlebar along the stem that would specifically be deep enough,
> wide enough and strong enough to carry a typical 750ml bottle of wine
> securely ?  (or any other method for carrying bottles?). I'm done throwing
> bottles in my basket bag or saddle baglooking for a holder that works.
> It's fine for the neck of the bottle to poke out the top... but in order
> for it to not feel squirrelly, it needs to be pretty snug from the shoulder
> down.
> thank you
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Re: [RBW] Creaky Stem Issue

[Jon Dukeman]

Chase
Torque on the NITTO stem clamp/ handlebar is 14-16 Nm or
120-140 inch lb. ( per NITTO specs.)
I recommend cleaning mating surfaces with isopropyl alcohol Before
assembling and torqueing.
I've never heard a creak doing it this method.
Jon

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 1:49 PM Chase Granoff  wrote:

> I am trying to solve what I believe is either a creaky stem and/or
> handlebar issue.
>
> I've got a couple of questions... how many Nm are you suppose to torque
> both the handlebar clamp and the stem on a Nitto Tallux stem?
>
> And have any of you had positive experiences using something like the Park
> Tool Supergrip Carbon and Alloy Assembly Compound on the contact points?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chase
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Re: [RBW] Re: Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Jon Dukeman]

I agree with Ana.
TAKE THE BIKES INSIDE THE ROOM AT NIGHT!!

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 2:03 AM Ana Candela  wrote:

> Leah,
>
> Take the Platypus. Your precious will become more precious the more you
> ride not the more she stays behind. But please please, like everyone has
> said already, take all bikes with you in the hotel. Do not even leave them
> inside the van. If anything, do it for MY peace of mind ;)
>
> On a different note, #matchymatchy -- be still my heart!! You have upped
> the game with those raspberry frame protectors! Now I look at my gray ones,
> and they look so dull and unexciting. But #rivsisters unite: I also label
> them, but only abbreviated: TT, DT, STT, STB, SSL, SSR... It does help when
> in a rush at the train station :-D
>
> Enjoy your trip!
> -Ana
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Billy Bars

[Jon Dukeman]

Roberta
Nice looking build.
I have 58 boscos and 120 stem.
 The jury is still out on that combo.
Thanks for the pics
Jon

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021, 2:42 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Not sure what view you'd like, so I took 3.
>
> There's more room to put things on before you get to the curve.  Flairs
> out, but doesn't seem too wide.  Has elegant swoop, similar to Albatross
> bar.  I went on another ride today with them and am very pleased.
>
> Let me know if you'd like any other pics.
>
> I originally bought Loscos to put on this bike, which I think would have
> worked out fine, but I think the Billies are nicer looking, so swapped out
> before Riv sold out (and before I saw Je Mar's request for a swap).
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 8:29:47 AM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Roberta
>> Could you share a pic of your Billie bar set up please?
>> Thanks
>> Jon
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 8:09 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I just put Billie's on my 55cm Platy with an x-tall 100mm technomic stem
>>> and they are fantastic!!! I highly recommend them.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-4 Je Mar wrote:
>>>
 Hello, had hoped to trade these for Loscos but my patience only lasted
 about 36 hours before I bought a pair, so the Billys are for sale.  They
 have been mounted but are obviously very clean.  I hope $90 + shipping is
 fair.
 Thx,
 Jeff[image: Billy 1.jpg][image: Billy 6.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Billy Bars

[Jon Dukeman]

Roberta
Could you share a pic of your Billie bar set up please?
Thanks
Jon

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> I just put Billie's on my 55cm Platy with an x-tall 100mm technomic stem
> and they are fantastic!!! I highly recommend them.
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-4 Je Mar wrote:
>
>> Hello, had hoped to trade these for Loscos but my patience only lasted
>> about 36 hours before I bought a pair, so the Billys are for sale.  They
>> have been mounted but are obviously very clean.  I hope $90 + shipping is
>> fair.
>> Thx,
>> Jeff[image: Billy 1.jpg][image: Billy 6.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

Yes. The aluminum frames back in the 90s were prone to bottle cage bosses
coming loose and rattling while riding. Very annoying.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 9:33 AM Jared Wilson  wrote:

> Like a Riv-Nut?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 10, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
> Your local bike shop should have the tool and bosses to do that. They
> drill a hole and install the bosses like a pop rivet only better.
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 8:50 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> I have been wishing Riv would put water bottle bosses back there on
>> frames that a bottle would fit, ie the Appaloosa!  I think it's a great use
>> of space
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 6:12 PM Tom  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I added a bottle mount for my pump in the rear triangle. I used the
>>> VO water bottle clamps.  Thoughts? Dumb idea?  Pictures
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lY7JGXQ2YdMN5OKLv3Tr3c0tCQCgEEDz
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

Your local bike shop should have the tool and bosses to do that. They drill
a hole and install the bosses like a pop rivet only better.
Jon

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> that a bottle would fit, ie the Appaloosa!  I think it's a great use of
> space
>
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>
>> Ok, I added a bottle mount for my pump in the rear triangle. I used the
>> VO water bottle clamps.  Thoughts? Dumb idea?  Pictures
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lY7JGXQ2YdMN5OKLv3Tr3c0tCQCgEEDz
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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about shim when swapping Albatross for Billie

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If it's a NITTO stem tell LBS to torque the clamp bolt to 14- 16 Nm or 120
-140 inch pounds.. Important!!! They should know that.
That will ensure it won't creak when pulling on bars or when standing while
pedaling.
I always clean shims and bar at contact points with isopropyl alcohol
before assembly.
Nothing more annoying than having a squeaky handlebar.
Jon

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 7:56 PM REC  wrote:

> Thank you all.
> I have two metal shims, so will probably take it to lbs.
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Email sent to you. I'ma need a close-up pic where the bar goes into the
> stem to be sure what we're dealing with here.
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 5:37:35 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Are you sure?  Your original response got me dialing my LBS.
>>
>> Now I'm nervous again.  With Candice and James @analog we tried so many
>> stem/ handlebar combinations and settled on the nice high stem that I
>> purchased while I was there.  I wanted to try the Albas first, so I left
>> with them on the stem.  But, they don't come back far enough.  It looks
>> like metal shims stem with Albatross.  I think the Billies will be perfect,
>> but I don't want to mess up.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:15 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Wait, false alarm. I've seen that bar and stem on your bike, there's a
>>> shim there that comes with the bar and doesn't separate..that section is
>>> the 25.4 measurement. I don't think you have a separate loose shim, your
>>> Billie should slide right in there no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I'm going to swap the Albatross bar for the Billie bar on my Platypus
 tonight (hopefully).  I have a  Nitto XL Technomic 100mm stem and there is
 a shim under my Albatross.  Do I reuse the shim for the Billie Bar?  I
 think so.  Will having the shim make it harder for me to do this by
 myself?  If so, I could take this to LBS.

 I got this information from Riv's website:

 Nitto Albatross, 55cm x 25.4
 Nitto Billie Bar 580 x 25.4 (RBW-31)

 This is the biggest job I'll have done myself and don't want to goof.

 Well, I'm off to tilt the saddle.  That I know how to do!

 Thanks,
 Roberta

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Re: [RBW] Water Bottle and Cage Talk

[Jon Dukeman]

I like Randi Jo.Fab.Bartender plus bag mounted on stem/ handlebar.
It keeps dirt away from bottles when riding on dusty roads frequented by
horses and other live stock/ wild life..
Jon

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 6:12 PM David Person  wrote:

> I like the idea of a stem bag like the one on Leah's bike, but I would
> wind up kneeing it when standing out of the saddle to pedal up a hill.
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 1:04:12 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>> I just saw the Rivendell Big Jim today and it looks good. Agreed that
>> this being a Riv related forum we should mention their products for sure.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:59:46 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Since we're on the RBW owners forum, and since everyone might not be
>>> aware, Riv recently started carrying a 2nd nalgene-size cage.  There is now
>>> a big "Jim" in addition to an even larger Twofish.  I just got a Jim last
>>> week.  Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but can report on durability /
>>> retention once I do.  It's well-made, so I can't forsee any issues:
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/accessories?page=4
>>>
>>> I like carrying the weight as low and centered as possible.
>>>
>>> Also, i still like and use a couple of older Blackburn cages for 2-Liter
>>> dIsposable water bottles, from before all the new big bottle and cargo
>>> cages became available.  They were designed by WTB or, presumably, Charlie
>>> Cunningham.  Since few bikes had triple bosses at the time, they went
>>> unnoticed and can be found on ebay and the like fairly regularly:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.wtb.com/blogs/wtb/12046329-throwback-thursdays-1993-wtb-blackburn-bomber
>>>
>>> I think they are, or have, reintroduced something similar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-6 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I keep it more traditional with the 3rd bottle cage under the down
 tube. I drink and sweat a lot and go through a 21oz bottle every 45 min or
 so when putting in an effort.

 Lots of rave reviews of the VO Mojave and larger Nalgene style bottles
 and I should probably consider getting myself one sometime. Another
 traditional looking option is the Widefoot LiterCage for the big bottles.
 Soma now offers huge water bottles that fit in traditional cages. They are
 very long.

 Re: cold water on a hot day that's not a concern with the level of
 effort or amount of water I'm drinking. All I've heard is it takes more
 effort for your body to digest it because it has to warm it up. Maybe
 that's a concern with athletes but not me. I'd say go for it, drink the
 cold stuff!

 Kainalu, love the WuTang reference.

 Pat in DC
 [image: 20210209_121623-01.jpeg]

 On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:24:30 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Hey Doug. I'm in the humid south as well and will vouch for the
> Hydroflask bottles being great for the heat and humidity. They don't sweat
> so you can throw them in a bag with your phone/stuff without worrying 
> about
> moisture. If cold, room temp, or hot water is your thing it will keep it
> that temperature accordingly. That thing that Bicycle Belle has looks
> rad/perfect for that use.
> As far as handlebar bags go, I use them on my Albatross bars all of
> the time. I have an old Riv bag made by Duluth(the Hobo Bag I think) and a
> small Sackville one with velcro. Both work great but the Duluth bag is 
> more
> accessible during a ride. From my experience if the attachment points
> aren't stiff and/or the zipper is flimsy it can be hard to unzip while in
> motion. The Gilles Berthoud bags that open towards the rider are 
> definitely
> the best in this regard but the hardware, mounting, and cost can be
> outlandish. Hope that helps.
> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:42:29 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Doug, there are a lot of nice handlebar bags out there with different
>> features. For big bottles I like my Oveja Negra the best. For subtle,
>> understated classiness I like my Cycle Cats products. I don’t thing Greg
>> Newland is making bags for sale right now. Now that I have these, no one 
>> in
>> my household wants anything else.
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 16:24, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> Leah,
>>
>> It's hot and humid here in the sticky south so I go through lots of
>> water too. I like the handlebar bag/pouch idea and may look at one of 
>> those.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 4:30:15 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 37946C49-EA8C-4484-828D-EBC0F6DCF35B.jpeg]
>>> Hi Doug!
>>>
>>> I cannot live without 32-40 oz of water on my rides in this parched
>>> desert, but I don’t like bottle cages and I don’t like bringing multiple
>>> bottles. I get around this by using a Randi Jo Bartender Plus 

Re: [RBW] Re: Shout Out for Shelta Hats

[Jon Dukeman]

Da Brim makes a wide brim if you use a helmet
Jon

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 3:33 PM David Person  wrote:

> Welcome, Hugh.  The brim stiffener they put in really works.
>
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 9:19:50 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Thanks David for the heads up on hat company :) With the summer temps
>> coming It feels like a crucial part of a riding kit.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 10:41:31 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My preferred headwear is a wide brimmed cloth hat, like a boonie hat,
>>> when riding.  Too much sun in my youth means battling minor skin cancer
>>> spots on the face, temple and ears.  Last week I came across an add for a
>>> company call Shelta Hats that makes boonie style hats with a stiffener in
>>> the front of the brim.  What they call "no flop brim technology".  Today I
>>> got to test it out and am please to report that the hat functions
>>> beautifully.  The chin cord was needed against the wind or when going
>>> downhill to keep hat in place, but the fit was excellent and the brim did
>>> not flop.
>>>
>>> In the interest for full disclosure - I've no association with Shelta
>>> Hats and paid full price for my hat.
>>>
>>> https://www.sheltahats.com/
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Question about shim when swapping Albatross for Billie

[Jon Dukeman]

Roberta
Spreading the stem slightly helps keep shims aligned while sliding handle
bar in place .
Your stem might not need the tool.

Jon

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 5:25 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I'm going to swap the Albatross bar for the Billie bar on my Platypus
> tonight (hopefully).  I have a  Nitto XL Technomic 100mm stem and there is
> a shim under my Albatross.  Do I reuse the shim for the Billie Bar?  I
> think so.  Will having the shim make it harder for me to do this by
> myself?  If so, I could take this to LBS.
>
> I got this information from Riv's website:
>
> Nitto Albatross, 55cm x 25.4
> Nitto Billie Bar 580 x 25.4 (RBW-31)
>
> This is the biggest job I'll have done myself and don't want to goof.
>
> Well, I'm off to tilt the saddle.  That I know how to do!
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
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[RBW] Fwd: Interloc Racing Design Sub-C Double Front Derailleur Braze-On - Silver [Y86FZ91B13] - $46.78 : braidaxe.com

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Re: [RBW] Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Jon Dukeman]

Tom
Google
IRD sub compact fr derailleur .Numerous bike shops sell them.
I love mine.

On Tue, May 25, 2021, 7:27 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that
> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9
> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction.
>
> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple
> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm
> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the
> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

Vince knows his handlebars and stems and the best configuation.
I'm getting a new stem this week. I'll report back how it goes.

On Sun, May 23, 2021, 10:20 AM 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> After a week away with a family crisis, I'm trying to  catch up on the
> handlebar thread and everyone's decisions. You all have provided much to
> the conversation and the subtle nuances experienced by each person.  This
> is the last item on my list to choose and I didn't get a chance to talk
> with Vince at Riv.  So this week I'll have an answer.
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>
> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:46:33 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Another rainy day although I did grab about 25 miles in dreary humidity.
>> Spent some of the rest of the day working on my twine & wrapping skills, I
>> wonder if Blue Lug is hiring?
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210523_024219127.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:18:56 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is
>>> not a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete"
>>> (how's that for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe."
>>>
>>> Right?? I literally caught my breath at this one:
>>>
>>
>>> "The drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and
>>> sweep way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats."
>>>
>>> I could immediately and vividly see it in my mind's eye and thought to
>>> myself HOW DID SHE THINK OF THAT??
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 6:13:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is
 not a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete"
 (how's *that* for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe.

 Me, I've no use or desire at all for wide bars with great sweepback; I
 always cut non-drop bars down to be comfortable. But I do know the feeling
 of being able to hold on to the ends of the bar to stand (or sit) and
 torque hard for hills or, around here, sand patches -- I have just now,
 after months, put the final perfecting adjustment touches to my flipped and
 ruthlessly cut down MAP/Ahearne bar (9 cm stem) (moved the Shimano 600
 levers about 3/4" further toward the (severely trimmed) ends of the bar, so
 I can brake with 1 or 2 fingers from the Ergon grips but still wrap fingers
 around lever bodies for a forward, more inclined riding position.

 Photos, please.

 On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:42 PM Leah Peterson 
 wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> It has been unbelievably windy here in Vegas. My Billie Bars arrived
> yesterday afternoon and I got them installed right away (which I 
> documented
> in a minimally helpful, mostly satirical video on Instagram). But, it was
> too windy to ride. The weather still wasn’t cooperating today, but the
> winds died down enough to let me out for a quick 10 miles with my new
> Billie Bars. I wish I had more time and miles with them, but in the
> interest of people trying to choose bars and stem for their new Platys in 
> a
> hurry, I’ll give you my unvarnished opinion.
>
> The 9 cm stem is going to be just fine, I think. There is enough of a
> reach that I don’t feel cramped in the cockpit (oh, how I hate the term 
> for
> bikes). The Bosco Bars make a statement, like antlers, like a crown. The
> drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and sweep
> way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats. That was the first
> appreciable difference I noted between the bars - the Billie is flatter 
> and
> has less reach-back. Understated compared to the dramatic Bosco. But the
> Billie is regal in its own way, too - those curves on either side of the
> clamp are lovely. To use imagery from nature:  the Boscos are a buck with
> an impressive rack, the Billies are a bird taking flight.
>
> So, what about the width of those flared 58 cm Billie Bars? Sisters, I
> know we were worried. We said, “They made those wide bars for full-grown,
> broad-shouldered men and what about us?” But I have good news - I think
> you’ll like that flare! It’s not too wide, and I think it is more 
> ergonomic
> the way your wrists meet those bar ends.
>
> Climbing. I love Boscos, but I really do think I had too short of a
> stem for them. I think 11cm would be the ticket and I have a 9. I hated
> climbing with my Boscos because they came back too far and it was awkward.
> I rarely stood on my pedals because the bar ends came back to my hips. 
> Ever
> ridden your bike uphill with your hands behind your hips?! Also, I am a 
> bar
> puller. I pull hard on handlebars when I am really exerting effort to 
> climb
> a hill or 

Re: [RBW] FS 1985 Trek 660

[Jon Dukeman]

Boy They don't make them like that anymore.
Love that red. Someone will be very happy. Wish it was me
Great price too
Jon

On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:18 PM Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> I need to thin the herd. My bike riding has been seriously curtailed over
> the last couple years.
>
> Here's the Craigslist listing.
>
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/sunland-trek-660/7325148839.html
>
> For group members I will entertain shipping within the lower 48 states at
> the buyers expense. I will pack it up and we can use bike flights.
>
> If interested please dm me with the group list you saw this on.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hugh
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

I have 100mm NITTO Talluxx. With 58 Boscos
It feels close. The bike feels squirelly on steep hills. I need to do a
longer ride to determine how it feels
I'm going to switch to 120 tallux 225 quill ,25.4 clamp per Vinces
suggestion..
Jon

On Mon, May 17, 2021, 4:37 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but
> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close
> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I
> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts
> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to
> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now.
> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on
> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar,
> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about
> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos.
>
> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are
> your impressions?
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett 
> wrote:
>
> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it
> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take
> a file or grinder to it though.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to
>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured)
>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple
>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Jon Dukeman]

What size wheels do you have?
Jon

On Sat, May 15, 2021, 7:11 PM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of beausage.
> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled
> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love
> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>
> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
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Re: [RBW] WTB VERY used Snoqualmie Pass

[Jon Dukeman]

Hi Adam
Are you still making sling shots and selling security screws and bolts.
I have a pair of "barely used "Snoqualmie pass 700c tires.  Black sidewall.
My priorities have changed. Flat resistant takes precident over cushy ride
I had a flat and went back to schwalbe.
This maybe more than you want to spend . You can see the fine tread like
new. They are pretty close to being a slick.
How about $60 for both plus a sling shot and free shipping depending where
you live.
Let me know.
Jon

On Tue, May 11, 2021, 1:49 PM Adam  wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm thinking about buying some snoqualmie pass tires, but would love to
> try them on some of the surfaces I ride before committing to the price of
> new ones.
>
> Does anyone have a set of VERY used sonqualmie passes that they'd be
> willing to sell for cheap? Even if they only have <50miles left, that's
> fine, I just want to check clearances under the VO 52mm fenders, their
> handling of mud and dirt, and compare them to the cazaderos I'm currently
> using.
>
> Thanks
>
> Adam
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Re: [RBW] Need Platypus tire advice

[Jon Dukeman]

I think my Little Big Ben's are around 38

On Tue, May 11, 2021, 12:36 PM JAS  wrote:

> Oh joy!  My mermaid Platypus 55 cm frame is on the way!  There’s no ETA
> yet on Velocity Dyad wheels from Rich at RBW,  however I want to be ready
> and am seeking the wisdom of the group for recommendations on tires.
>
> Details:
> —Soma fenders, 52mm, that allow for tires up to 42mm
> —Light build, mostly planning for road riding or Rails to Trails paths
> —Minimal loads for day rides
> —I’ll be using tubes and don’t need “tubeless ready.”
> —No super light casings because I want some flat protection
> —I have a Clem for hauling and riding dirt trails using Schwalbe Big Bens,
> 27.5 x 2.0
>
> Options contemplated:
> —Panaracer Shikoro 38mm (can’t locate 42 in stock)
> —Panaracer Gravel King (not sure which one)
>
> Your thoughts and advice?  What would you recommend?  What else should I
> consider?
>
> —Joyce
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Ask Peter if he would warranty the light and replace it.
He replaced a light for me when the bracket broke. He is the #1 distributer
in the USA

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:43 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop,
> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub
> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but
> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
>> those wear in.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things:
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>>
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>>> nighttime trails!
>>>
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one
>>>> I had by a lot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Leah:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
> those wear in.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>>
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>> nighttime trails!
>>
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I
>>> had by a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Leah:

 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Make sure that your quick release is tight. And the axle is firmly in the
drop outs. On both sides.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Friends,
>
> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light
> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic
> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and
> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one
> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when
> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think
> this is what he means. See below.
>
> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine in
> the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to
> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my
> Clem and it’s just not the same.
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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:20 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> 
> There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The first
> was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke flanges
> were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted steel
> center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood hubs.
> That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd) version was
> smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available polished and
> black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This version could have
> the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the core with a special
> tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only be positioned on the
> right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew. This is the only
> version that must only have the connectors on the right side. The third
> version, the current version, can have the connectors on either side,
> unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's orientation is dictated
> by the location of the disc brake caliper.
>
> Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> SON 28!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was
>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates.
>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce
>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it
>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel
>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20"
>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and
>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>>
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do
>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your
>> frustrating lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Leah
Contact Peterwhitecycles.com. He is everything lighting. Very knowledgeable
and warranty repairs.
Jon

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 9:01 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I never had dyno until 2020, and now I have it on my 2 bikes.
>
> 1. 52 cm Clem L with 650b wheels: Shutter Precision hub with Edelux II
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight
>
> 2. 55 cm Platypus with 700c wheels: Schmidt SON hub with Edelux II
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight.
>
> So: same lights but different generators.
>
> SON has the votes for best dyno ever, so I went with that for my Platy,
> but so far, it's not been as good as the SP. I know that cannot be, so
> something must be wrong with my setup of the SON, or possibly the
> hub/generator itself. I think it has been this way from the start; I always
> thought the differences were due to the mounting location of the light.
>
> We had both bikes out on a family ride and the Clem's light was blindingly
> bright - a veritable floodlight. The Platy's light appeared dim in
> comparison, even though I was riding the Platy at a faster speed. The
> Platy's rear light often flickers unless I am riding downhill, and the
> Clem's does not. I've checked the connections and as best as I can tell,
> there's nothing amiss. The Clem's headlight is front rack-mounted, and the
> Platy uses a fork-crown mount. I did a night ride with the Platy last night
> and was really underwhelmed by the beam. It is not the beam is blocked; it
> appears the light is just generally dimmed.  I ride a dark path through the
> desert where there is wilderness on one side and homes distantly located on
> the other, no streetlights. I need good illumination; the Clem gives ample
> lighting but I feel like I'm straining to see on my Platy..
>
> Secondly, I hear something in the drivetrain or wheel set of the Platy.
> Almost like the sound of electrical current. It is only on the Platy, never
> the Clem. I have heard that the SON is supposed to be silent, but there is
> definitely noise coming from the bike, but I don't know if it's the hub.
>
> I'm going to take the bike to the shop that built it and see if they can
> figure out the noise and the dim light. If you have any words of wisdom or
> direction I could point them in, please let me know here.
>
> Things I have considered:
> 1. Does the wheel size affect the difference in brightness?
> 2. Does the mounting location affect the appearance of the beam? (I have
> tilted the Platy light this way and that so the beam doesn't fall on the
> front wheel, but no real difference was noted.)
> 3. Maybe there is some tension on the wires somehow?
>
> 
> Don't read past here if you don't want to be subjected to my angst. It is
> cathartic to talk to bike people about bike woes; no one else understands.
>
> I dread taking the bike in and presenting them with some obscure issues
> (What is this noise? Don't you hear it? Well, it's not doing it right NOW,
> but... My light is not bright enough! Can't you make it brighter?!) Most
> shops in Vegas don't know a thing about dyno; it took my LBS considerable
> time to suss out how to do it. So, I fear that the bike will come back to
> me in the same state and I will be slowly driven crazy by the sounds and
> the inferior lighting. Also, the Platy is special and I am overly attached
> to it. When things aren't right with it I am all sackcloth and ashes,
> wailing and gnashing of teeth over here.
> ***
> Thanks for your insight!
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

[Jon Dukeman]

We went to Home Depot and bought those electric  plug in mice repellents.
The seem to do the trick. They don't bother the dog food. Won't keep the
bears out.
We put two per garage.
Jon

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 1:48 PM dougP  wrote:

> Is there anything that repels rodents?  For instance, putting moth balls
> in a bag?  I know there are things they like to chew on, such as electric
> wire insulation.  A friend lost a Brooks leather saddle bag to rodents
> chewing on it.  It only had tools, no food.  Maybe they also like to chew
> on leather.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 8:34:45 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>
>> We have these weird mice in our area that only seem to care about
>> breeding and storing tree nuts. Not once have they gone for any human
>> food...the rats do, but not the mice. I keep several zippered bags in the
>> shed that have received no mice attention, but anything with an opening
>> becomes a nest.
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:33:38 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is
>>> used on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and
>>> take inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside.
>>>
>>> If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will
>>> attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a
>>> roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not
>>> a convenient opening, and then you're done for.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific
 requirements.

 -rackless/decaleurless
 -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
 -uses a zipper or multi roll closure

 The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural
 shed and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests
 really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn
 mowers, that would be great intel).

 Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to
 something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it under
 100$

 I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey
 handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay.

 email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
 Drew. Los angeles.

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jon Dukeman]

Adam
here's lots of Rivendell bike pics and a place to post yours.
.https://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell/pool/
Jon


On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 12:29:13 PM UTC-7 Adam Leibow wrote:

> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
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Re: [RBW] PSA: Cyclists Robbed of Bikes in Berkeley Hills

[Jon Dukeman]

The lowest form of human race scum
On the planetA bike thief.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, 3:25 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Depressing and scary indeed. Grizzly Peak is one of my favorites.
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Greg J  wrote:
>
> That's really a depressing state of affairs.  These are my backyard rides,
> too.
>
> Greg Jung
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 10:38:32 AM UTC-7 John Phillips wrote:
>
>>Just a heads up to riders who frequent Grizzly Peak Road. Article in
>> Berkeleyside doesn't say what kinds of bikes, if any, are being targeted:
>>
>>
>> https://www.berkeleyside.com/2021/04/01/bike-robberies-grizzly-peak-berkeley-oakland-east-bay-hills
>>
>> John Phillips
>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

There is a bike shortage every where. Manufacturers can't produce them fast
enough.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 1:23 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Have we ever seen anything like this? Does anyone remember a bike selling
> this quickly?
>
> On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> That was pretty nuts. 60s remain at the moment
>
> 3:01 50cm mermaids sold out
> 3:03 50cm lime olive sold out
> 3:05 55cm mermaid sold out
> 3:07 55cm lime olive sold out
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:15:41 PM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Heather Hayes, my receipt said the same thing.  I wanted the MERMAID but
>> it auto purchased the Lime/Olive.  We'll see what happens.  I clicked as
>> fast as I could on the dot!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:10:20 PM UTC-4 Heather Hayes wrote:
>>
>>> I clicked purchase on the 50cm in Mermaid, but my receipt says
>>> Lime-Olive. :/ If anyone had the opposite problem, please let me know if
>>> you'd like to trade! :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:06:10 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 When I was chatting to James & Grant about mine they said I could do a
 50 or a 55. My PBH is 81cm, 5'7", ride a seat at 72cm.

 You might be in luck.

 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:03:49 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> oh my... 50-cm Platypus Mermaid is sold out before 3:02pm (EDT). I
> missed out...
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:43:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Your wish appears to have been granted. The Platypus page now says
>> $1650.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:12:03 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>>
>>> Or as my brain wakes upmaybe the price hike is an April Fool's
>>> joke? Wishful thinking?
>>>
>>> Jonathan P.
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:10:36 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>>>
 While I still think $1800 is a very fair price, I think the
 reasoning in the last minute change is a bit suspect. Grant's Blahg has
 said since 3-4 weeks ago that they knew frames would cost more than 
 other
 models, hence the $1600 price tag vs $1500 because the Platypii cost an
 extra $100 to make.

 From Platy Page:

 "It costs $100 more than our other lugged bikes, because it costs
 us about $80 more. For that $100, at least for this first run, we 
 include a
 wonderful DVD on the platypus, filmed (naturally) in Australia by an 
 award
 winning duo of biologists and platypus-lovers."

 But, I do know in the current supply chain environment that import
 taxes/tarriffs are surprising some brands causing them to bump up the
 price. Also, with the pent up demand of the bike world and RBW in
 particular, I am sure these will rightfully all be sold today!

 Jonathan P.
 Seattle, WA
 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 6:35:05 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> Today’s the day! I’m headed to work but I’ll be checking every
> chance I get! Good luck, all!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:42 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> I am *not* purchasing a Platypus but it's 8:42 AM here on the
> east coast and I'm already white-knuckling the frame release.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:17:43 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Note posted on Riv’s website last night:
>>
>> NOTE: The Platypus frames cost $1,800. We've known that and
>> talked about it for several weeks now, but due to a cloning error, 
>> until
>> Wed Mar 31 8:40 p.m., they were listed at $1,600. Our bad, but we 
>> are not
>> able to sell them that cheap, and if you hate us you'll insist. They 
>> cost
>> us considerably more than a Sam, Homer, etc...
>>
>> The nearly last-minute correction is not strategic. We're on your
>> side, and we ask for your understanding. Thanks. Grant
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 7:45:26 PM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>>> Add two half-700c wheels which are about 28” in diameter
>>> (depending on tire volume). So, 47.25” + 28” = 75.25”
>>> Or 6’ 3.25” for the 55cm bike
>>>
>>> David Lipsky
>>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Leah Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can tell you the wheelbase (which is what you’ll need to
>>> know, right?) of my 55 cm is approx. 47 1/4 inches. Not sure what a 
>>> 60
>>> would be but Philip sounds like he knows how to figure it out!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:09 PM, 

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

Emily
I measured my 60cm Cheviot the best I could from the rear fender to front
tire.
It's close to 75".
Not sure if the Platty is longer.
Jon

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 4:13 PM Emily Guise  wrote:

> Leah, I think what Amtrak is referring to is overall length instead of
> wheelbase, because the bikes are hung up on hooks inside the baggage car.
> But that's still helpful to know, thank you!
>
> Thanks Joe and Phillip for your help on those numbers. I suspected it
> would be a bit too long (one downside of the cushy ride) but was still
> holding out hope.
>
> -Emily
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:54:35 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> That's a 50cm in the pictures, overall length = 6' or 72" already as
>> shown. Worst case a 60 would be another 5% give or take, so around 75".
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The length you're getting is about 72 inches. I'm getting 74 on my 54cm
>>> custom and 53cm Susie, both with 650B wheels. I think it's safe to assume a
>>> 60cm Platy with 700C wheels will be in the range of my bikes, so the Amtrak
>>> plan is probably not workable. I'm curious what the full length of Leah's
>>> 55 Platy is.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:21:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there a draftsperson in house? Oh yes...

 Extrapolating the chain guard (which I have here & can measure) I was
 able to scale up one of the online pictures. Metric and old money too,
 should be pretty close allowing for some lens distortion.

 [image: Plat Dims.png]

 On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-5 Emily Guise wrote:

> Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to
> figure out if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike dimensions 
> for
> roll-on service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't find the info
> on the Riv site.
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald
> wrote:
>
>> The bike looks good in its element.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Amen, Philip. And thanks!
>>>
>>> The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13
>>> miles and this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. 
>>> Look at
>>> that luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
>>>
>>> Two more days, my friends...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub
>>> 30lb bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away 
>>> from a
>>> stop, be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will
>>> enjoy those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it.
>>> It's a matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread,
>>> you can save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real 
>>> deal
>>> right there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when you're
>>> spending $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible choices 
>>> will
>>> deliver a much more enjoyable bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy
>>> to remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got 
>>> real
>>> gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity 
>>> you
>>> really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads
>>> there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get
>>> back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to
 make the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you 
 score?

 Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved
 buying light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, 
 as I
 like to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really 
 resourceful
 in getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck way out 
 here
 because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me weight doesn’t
 matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. Especially when
 you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.”

 All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a
 Platy - be sure to let us know.
 Leah

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:

 Leah's 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: clem'd trek, nitto, tumbleweed, sugino, sram etc.

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Drew.
Jon

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 12:22 PM Drw  wrote:

> update on remaining items. welcoming offers on the bars and sram stuff at
> this point.
>
> -*Soma Osprey handlebar. *silver. 31.8. VGC with some shellacked tape I
> left on. 70$
>
> -*Sram 3x9 set. *X5 trigger shifters with an X-7 derailer. minor scuffs
> to the derailler. not sure what these are worth, since 3x9 has gone out of
> style. 50$
>
> -*Trek mt track 830 step through.* I don't have immediate access to this
> since its in my dad's garage, but i think it's 1996. i believe this was the
> highest in the "women's" line that year, and has the better tubing on the
> fork. I also think it's the biggest size they made...20". Can get more info
> upon request. I added schwalbe tires, nitto bosco bullmoose bars, brooks
> flyer, pletscher rear rack, new shifters/v-brakes/cassette/chain/cables
> etc. Not interesting in shipping at the moment or parting out. located in
> Los Angeles. not really sure how to price it since its probably worth more
> parted out, so ill just say 500$ complete for now.
>
> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 8:42:08 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>
>> Hey Jon,
>> had my dad measure and he says 20 3/4"
>>
>> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 7:02:50 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Drew
>>> Can you measure from the center of the Trek 830 crank to top of the seat
>>> tube please.
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 7:55 PM Drw  wrote:
>>>
 Updates on what is still available

 -*Crust/Nitto quill stem *with 31.8 removable faceplate. unopened- 80$

 -*Soma Osprey handlebar. *silver. 31.8. VGC with some shellacked tape
 I left on. 70$ or 55$ with one of the stems.

 -*T-racks*. Tumbleweed rack is sold.  Rat King T-rack is available.
 this is the more minimalist version that is lighter and does not have
 mounts for a light/reflector, but does have eyelets for anything mounts on
 both sides. VGC 85$

 -*Sram 3x9 set. *X5 trigger shifters with an X-7 derailer. minor
 scuffs to the derailler. not sure what these are worth, since 3x9 has gone
 out of style. 50$? feel free to make an offer.

 -*Trek mt track 830 step through.* I don't have immediate access to
 this since its in my dad's garage, but i think it's 1996. i believe this
 was the highest in the "women's" line that year, and has the better tubing
 on the fork. I also think it's the biggest size they made...20". Can get
 more info upon request. I added schwalbe tires, nitto bosco bullmoose bars,
 brooks flyer, pletscher rear rack, new
 shifters/v-brakes/cassette/chain/cables etc. Not interesting in shipping at
 the moment or parting out. located in Los Angeles. not really sure how to
 price it since its probably worth more parted out, so ill just say 500$
 complete for now.


 On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 5:50:12 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I'll take the kickstand.
> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 3:21:42 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>
>> Clearing out some stuff, and putting feelers out to see if anyone
>> would be interested in the complete version of this trek step thru i 
>> built
>> for my dad (he just got an electric bike). prices do not include 
>> shipping.
>> Hopefully photos work. This newer format is not my favorite.
>>
>> -*Nitto UI-16 Steel silver 1 1/8 threadless stem*. 70mm, 31.8 clamp.
>> VGC- 55$
>>
>> -*Crust/Nitto quill stem *with 31.8 removable faceplate. unopened-
>> 80$
>>
>> -*Soma Osprey handlebar. *silver. 31.8. VGC with some shellacked
>> tape I left on. 70$ or 55$ with one of the stems.
>>
>> -*Tumbleweed T-racks*. Actually one is from Rat king frames when
>> they were making them, before they let Tumbleweed have the design. The
>> second is from tumbleweed. Tumbleweed is a little heavier duty/has a 
>> cross
>> bar on the platform and is slightly taller. Rat King is more minimalist 
>> and
>> does not have mounts for a light/reflector. Both have eyelets for 
>> anything
>> mounts. both in VGC, but no struts included.  90$ each.
>>
>> *-Sugino chainrings and guard*. These came off of a clipper double
>> that riv sells, which is an xd2. 42x26. 1 ride max but probably new. 35$
>>
>> *-VO copenhagen double kickstand.* adjustable legs. this needs a
>> kickstand plate, or a longer bolt if you want to use it on a bike without
>> one. i can throw in a top plate.  15$
>>
>> -*Sram 3x9 set. *X5 trigger shifters with an X-7 derailer. minor
>> scuffs to the derailler. not sure what these are worth, since 3x9 has 
>> gone
>> out of style. 50$? feel free to make an offer.
>>
>> -*Suntour xce stuff*. 3x7 shifters (twist and trigger), RD,
>> crankset, black canti's. Ok shape. the crankset is the worst part. 30$
>>
>> -*Bar end grip thing*s- free with 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: clem'd trek, nitto, tumbleweed, sugino, sram etc.

[Jon Dukeman]

Drew
Can you measure from the center of the Trek 830 crank to top of the seat
tube please.
Thanks
Jon

On Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 7:55 PM Drw  wrote:

> Updates on what is still available
>
> -*Crust/Nitto quill stem *with 31.8 removable faceplate. unopened- 80$
>
> -*Soma Osprey handlebar. *silver. 31.8. VGC with some shellacked tape I
> left on. 70$ or 55$ with one of the stems.
>
> -*T-racks*. Tumbleweed rack is sold.  Rat King T-rack is available. this
> is the more minimalist version that is lighter and does not have mounts for
> a light/reflector, but does have eyelets for anything mounts on both sides.
> VGC 85$
>
> -*Sram 3x9 set. *X5 trigger shifters with an X-7 derailer. minor scuffs
> to the derailler. not sure what these are worth, since 3x9 has gone out of
> style. 50$? feel free to make an offer.
>
> -*Trek mt track 830 step through.* I don't have immediate access to this
> since its in my dad's garage, but i think it's 1996. i believe this was the
> highest in the "women's" line that year, and has the better tubing on the
> fork. I also think it's the biggest size they made...20". Can get more info
> upon request. I added schwalbe tires, nitto bosco bullmoose bars, brooks
> flyer, pletscher rear rack, new shifters/v-brakes/cassette/chain/cables
> etc. Not interesting in shipping at the moment or parting out. located in
> Los Angeles. not really sure how to price it since its probably worth more
> parted out, so ill just say 500$ complete for now.
>
>
> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 5:50:12 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I'll take the kickstand.
>> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 3:21:42 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> Clearing out some stuff, and putting feelers out to see if anyone would
>>> be interested in the complete version of this trek step thru i built for my
>>> dad (he just got an electric bike). prices do not include shipping.
>>> Hopefully photos work. This newer format is not my favorite.
>>>
>>> -*Nitto UI-16 Steel silver 1 1/8 threadless stem*. 70mm, 31.8 clamp.
>>> VGC- 55$
>>>
>>> -*Crust/Nitto quill stem *with 31.8 removable faceplate. unopened- 80$
>>>
>>> -*Soma Osprey handlebar. *silver. 31.8. VGC with some shellacked tape I
>>> left on. 70$ or 55$ with one of the stems.
>>>
>>> -*Tumbleweed T-racks*. Actually one is from Rat king frames when they
>>> were making them, before they let Tumbleweed have the design. The second is
>>> from tumbleweed. Tumbleweed is a little heavier duty/has a cross bar on the
>>> platform and is slightly taller. Rat King is more minimalist and does not
>>> have mounts for a light/reflector. Both have eyelets for anything mounts.
>>> both in VGC, but no struts included.  90$ each.
>>>
>>> *-Sugino chainrings and guard*. These came off of a clipper double that
>>> riv sells, which is an xd2. 42x26. 1 ride max but probably new. 35$
>>>
>>> *-VO copenhagen double kickstand.* adjustable legs. this needs a
>>> kickstand plate, or a longer bolt if you want to use it on a bike without
>>> one. i can throw in a top plate.  15$
>>>
>>> -*Sram 3x9 set. *X5 trigger shifters with an X-7 derailer. minor scuffs
>>> to the derailler. not sure what these are worth, since 3x9 has gone out of
>>> style. 50$? feel free to make an offer.
>>>
>>> -*Suntour xce stuff*. 3x7 shifters (twist and trigger), RD, crankset,
>>> black canti's. Ok shape. the crankset is the worst part. 30$
>>>
>>> -*Bar end grip thing*s- free with any other item.
>>>
>>> -*Trek mt track 830 step through.* I don't have immediate access to
>>> this since its in my dad's garage, but i think it's 1996. i believe this
>>> was the highest in the "women's" line that year, and has the better tubing
>>> on the fork. I also think it's the biggest size they made...20". Can get
>>> more info upon request. I added schwalbe tires, nitto bosco bullmoose bars,
>>> brooks flyer, pletscher rear rack, new
>>> shifters/v-brakes/cassette/chain/cables etc. Not interesting in shipping at
>>> the moment or parting out. located in Los Angeles. not really sure how to
>>> price it since its probably worth more parted out, so ill just say 500$
>>> complete for now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Drew. los angeles
>>> [image: IMG_6098 (1).jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_6097.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_6101.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_6102.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_6104.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_6106.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jon Dukeman]

Very nice indeed!!


On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 1:51 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Very nice, love those black Hillbornes.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:39 PM J Schwartz 
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[RBW] Re: Sam, almost fully dressed

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Joel
I'm glad you like he donut bag. Your Sam really turned out nice. You will 
get many enjoyable miles on it for sure.
Jon

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 12:09:55 PM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

> I have about finished for now, the saddle is thanks to Ted Fay, not sure 
> on it yet, will try my champion special again, but not bad and a big things 
> as it was a gift. Another thanks to Jon Dukeman for nudging me just enough 
> for me to get the front donut bag which is perfect to carry one or two 
> small cameras.
>
> The rear bag is my new Acorn Small, I also got a large so I could see 
> which I like best, I think with the Donut bag that small is fine, a bit 
> bigger than the Rivendell Kevin bag I have been using. The large one is 
> bigger than the banana bag so I will see how I will like the size. The 
> workmanship and materials are spectacular. 
>
> The bar tape has a third layer around the brake levers due to the diacompe 
> clamp hitting my hand, not sure how I will resolve this, I may leave it and 
> I may rewrap ,I have plenty of time to decide. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jon Dukeman]

Ha! Ha!
Never say never when it comes to Rivendells
Jon

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> My newest and probably last Riv, this is #10.  This is ny Sam.
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Re: [RBW] New Frame

[Jon Dukeman]

Wow! Thanks.
8 weeks ago I had lower lumbar decompression surgery because my left foot
dropped. I used to be 6'3" I'm now 6'1". I haven't ridden since last
September. I now have good days and bad. I hope I'm able to ride again. I
rode up and down the street a couple of times Saturday. I'm 69 yrs old.
Having trouble getting my leg over the saddle when dissmounting.
The 58 Sam just touches when I stand over. I could ride the Cheviot all day
long.
I'd like to hear more about your back if you feel like sharing.
I'm glad you will be back in the saddle again.
I don't know what I would do if I was told I couldn't ride again.
Sounds like you are in California.
I used to live down south in Long Beach.
Nice talking with you.
Jon

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:35 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Jon, the last measurement, 3+ times was in the 80.645 area.  Years ago
> when Grant measured me it was 82 or 83.  I know even though I have lost 2”
> after 2 back surgeries it seems impossible that I could lose anything from
> the pelvic bone down.  My last custom, which I sold when I thought I would
> never ride again was 56cm.  The Saluki I bought at 56cm was too big, the
> Bleriot seemed fine but maybe I was more tolerant of a close fit.  The 50cm
> Atlantis with the new geometry I was told would have me taking a bike 4cm
> less than my Bleriot, so a 54, which was not made would have been the
> equivalent by using the 4” rule.  1cm less height may have made the bike
> perfect, 2 cm probably better.  I did try a 51 Appaloosa by invitation from
> a forum member, it seemed ok, I brushed the TT a bit less than on the
> Bleriot.  I spoke with Grant and he was certain the 59cm Atlantis would be
> a better fit, and I will use a 48mm tire vs. the 42mm I am using on the
> Bleriot.  If the TT is not giving you any issues on the Sam I bet it is the
> correct size.  My first Riv was a 53, then a 54, etc.  the 54 was probably
> the correct size but I wanted a true custom vs. a Road (stupid I know).  I
> had a 52.5cm AR that was probably perfect and if I had used fat tires I bet
> I would have loved it. I was riding 28’s I think.  That is the one I regret
> parting with the most.
> My Bleriot is a pleasure to ride now that I have remembered where to hold
> the Albatross bars for best stability, the Atlantis will be a totally
> different animal I am told.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 8:28 PM Jon Dukeman 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joel. Can I ask your PBH? Mine is 87PBH
>> I have a 58 Sam and a 60Cheviot.
>> Both are really comfortable after I get on. But they seem big when
>> getting on or off.
>> Did you feel that way with your old bike?
>> Sometimes I feel I could use a smaller frame. Maybe I'm getting oldI
>> was looking at a 55 Atlantis.
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 6:03 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jon, it's a 50cm. I really wanted an orange Appaloosa but the
>>> 50cm is just a better fit for me. My 55cm Bleriot is a tad big for me, that
>>> was my excuse for getting a new frame.
>>>
>>> It will be a simple build with my favorite parts.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 7:49 PM Jon Dukeman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice. What size is the frame? Looking forward to seeing final build.
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:44 PM Joel  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Newest frame patiently waiting to be built up. Waiting for wheels from
>>>>> Peter White, all parts are ready to go, or I should say almost ready to 
>>>>> go.
>>>>> Framesaved, hanging up in basement. More when it is finished.
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Re: [RBW] New Frame

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Joel. Can I ask your PBH? Mine is 87PBH
I have a 58 Sam and a 60Cheviot.
Both are really comfortable after I get on. But they seem big when getting
on or off.
Did you feel that way with your old bike?
Sometimes I feel I could use a smaller frame. Maybe I'm getting oldI was
looking at a 55 Atlantis.
Jon


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> Thanks Jon, it's a 50cm. I really wanted an orange Appaloosa but the 50cm
> is just a better fit for me. My 55cm Bleriot is a tad big for me, that was
> my excuse for getting a new frame.
>
> It will be a simple build with my favorite parts.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 7:49 PM Jon Dukeman 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice. What size is the frame? Looking forward to seeing final build.
>> Jon
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:44 PM Joel  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Newest frame patiently waiting to be built up. Waiting for wheels from
>>> Peter White, all parts are ready to go, or I should say almost ready to go.
>>> Framesaved, hanging up in basement. More when it is finished.
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Re: [RBW] New Frame

[Jon Dukeman]

Nice. What size is the frame? Looking forward to seeing final build.
Jon

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> Newest frame patiently waiting to be built up. Waiting for wheels from
> Peter White, all parts are ready to go, or I should say almost ready to go.
> Framesaved, hanging up in basement. More when it is finished.
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Orange Cheviot gathering dust anywhere?

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Jeff
My email.
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com
Jon

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Re: [RBW] 60cm Orange Cheviot gathering dust anywhere?

[Jon Dukeman]

Got it
Jon

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> Thx
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[RBW] 60cm Orange Cheviot gathering dust anywhere?

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Hi Jeff. I have an orange , 60 frame and fork. It's built up with E bike 
components. I have a blue one also with regular components. I don't need two.
 I'm willing to sell frame and fork.
DM me if interested.
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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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No cork is mid bar. I put road bike tape under cloth tape for extra padding
then clear shellac over cloth tape and twine..
About 3 coats. Hope that helps
Jon

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> Thanks On, did you wrap over the cork?
>
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>> For cork I prefer Spar Varnish. Save shellac for cloth bar tape and twine
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
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>>> Would you recommend shallac before putting grips on the bars?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:54:06 PM UTC-4 René wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excellent!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
>>>>> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I
>>>>>> don't like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> top of it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> René
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[RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Well I have searched this thread for the word TORQUE..maybe I missed it.
NITTO strongly says torque the handle bar bolt 14- 16 Nm.
My suggestion disassemble the handle bar and stem. Clean all the parts 
including any shims or spacers with alcohol . reassemble and only grease the 
threads of the M 8 handle bar bolt. And torque to 14- 16Nm

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Jason. They sure look good on your Sam.
Jon

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> Cheers Jon! They are 650x42 Babyshoe Pass wrapped in 58mm wide Honjo
> H79s.  They are an ideal combination for me, quick yet capable for all
> sorts of roads
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>> Jason
>> What tire size and fenders?
>> Beautiful bike. Thanks for sharingm
>> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jon Dukeman]

And a work horse.er sheep.
Very nice

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> Here’s my Cheviot on a run to the library. Such a comfy bike.
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[RBW] Re: WTB 58 Sam Hillborne

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

BIKE HAS SOLD.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 58Double top tube for sale

[Jon Dukeman]

Let me know. I can throw in. Front Jannd extreme rack and basket. If you
like.
Jon

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> Oh man! Very tempting. I am going to have to think on this.
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[RBW] 58 double top tube Sam for sale

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

58 Sam Hillborne double top tube for sale
new 2014 , not a scratch, never used for commuting or left outside in rain 
or over night.
Highlights: Phil Wood BB
Paul seat post 27.2
Mavic A 319 silver rims with 14-15 DT spokes, Deore XT hubs 36H
Dura -Ace 9 spd bar end shifters mounted on Paul thumbies
Brooks B 17 honey
Brooks leather bar tape Honey
Nitto AL Albatross Bar with Nitto 110 stem
SKS P45 cream fenders
MKS Pedals
Pletcher Rear Rack w/pannier rails
Tektra 559 side pull brakes/ Shimano levers.
Shimano Deore XT  9spd shadow derailleur 
Sugino triple cranka
Claris Fr. Derailleur
700C x 38 Little Big Ben tires
$ 1600.00 in Denver / Colorado Springs 
PHOTOS TO FOLLOW

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks Rivet repair

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Brian.
I would use Simon again.
Jon

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>
> Very glad to hear it all worked out!
>
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>> I received my saddle back and it looks brand new.
>> Rivet replaced retensioned  back. Took about a week.
>> Very pleased.
>> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks Rivet repair

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I received my saddle back and it looks brand new. 
Rivet replaced retensioned  back. Took about a week.
Very pleased.
Jon

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